Couldn't they just have re-re-refreshed RPL on the TSMC node?

>>102958434
you have to design the silicon for the node

>>102958096
>32GB DDR5 $30
I genuinely cannot believe what I'm looking at

>>102958448
Is that really so?
Wasn't Arrow Lake was originally meant to be on 18A before they bounced off shit yields and switched to TSMC?

>>102958490
they designed some of ARL on TSMC 3nm so I can imagine porting it probably wasn't as difficult

>>102958490
20A I mean.

>>102958426
>Core 200 series
That's not a thing. It's the Core Ultra (Series 2) collection to cover both Core Ultra 200V Series (formerly Lunar Lake) and Core Ultra 200S Series (formerly Arrow Lake).

if I'm installing an am5 cpu for the first time in a new board and i want to install a contact frame can i just unscrew the whole stock retention mechanism without popping the plastic cover, pop the cpu in (or pop it in then unscrew it) and install the frame?

Latest nvidia drivers fucked with my windows colors, anybody else?

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>Have a ryzen 3600 rig
>Buy a 7800XT at a discount two months ago
>Well, let me keep this frankenstein rig until black friday
>By then AMD and Intel next gen CPUs will be out, which will surely create good deals
>

>>102958625
5700X3D is gonna drop in price when the 9800X3D comes out I think

ordering parts for my AM5 build tomorrow, it's 2 more to get 6400CL32 vs 6000CL30, do I spend the extra and try to get it to work?

>>102958625
Just buy a 5700x non 3d.

>>102958655
if you have to ask get 6000

>>102958679
I don't mind spending the time to make sure the 6400 is stable but I'm planning on getting a 9800X3D and it looks like it can scale a bit higher with memory.

>>102958689
if you can tune ram why are you even asking
you can run 4800 sticks at 6800 if you want it's your computer

>>102958710
i want someone to validate my purchase anon

Intelsisters, over status?
Can they come back from this?

Two more weeks waitbros.

>>102958490
>>102958494
Intel probably had TSMC N3B as a contingency plan in case 20A didn't work out as well as it needed to, they completely canceled 20A manufacturing.
TSMC 3nm orders news started since 2021.
https://semiwiki.com/forum/index.php?threads/tsmc-to-make-3nm-chips-for-intel-sources-claim.13645/
No 20A Xeons either.

Intel share prices dropped during a quarterly earnings call when Pat revealed most of their new chips were going to be made on TSMC in the near term
It's just pure incompetence, not necessarily on Pat because the designs for all this shit started before he rejoined Intel as CEO.

>>102958720
they came back from pentium 4

Currently I have a 5900x.
Is it worth upgrading to anything if it's paired to a 4070S? I've been getting more into gayming and less into productivity.

>>102958655
just get 6000cl30, there no b-die meta like ddr4

>>102958741
are you satisfied with your current framerate? if not, consider upgrading

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well i did it... tried to not be retarded and walked the screws back first, screwed opposite corners and did it bit by bit
not sure how tight is too tight, I hit a not-too-hard bottom on all corners, felt that i could tighten them a tiny tiny bit more without going full gorilla so i did

man I really do not feel like doing a full platform upgrade with this CPU pricing
would going from a 10600k to a 5700X3D give me a perceptible boost?
I play autism games almost exclusively

>>102958764
Well, it depends. On a few games I do have to rely a bit too much on frame generation, like CP2077. I would do a full upgrade (mobo+ram+cpu) if I got a considerable improvement across the board. I also recently got a 1440p 360hz OLED monitor so moar frames are always welcome.

>>102958519
Nvidia drivers have been a totalshitshow on Windows as of 2024. Worse than AMD Radeon 7900GRE if you buy one today. I don't even shill I hate your brown hands that proves I'm racist.

Gelsinger must go.

>>102958519
I don't know if it's a thing with the drivers or not, but I noticed that everytime I start Control the game freezes after loading a save and I have to wrestle with windows to let me out of the game. I open it again and it doesn't happen until I restart my PC.

>>102959043
if its not the drivers then its windows shitting itself. 2024 is the year of linux if we go by recent CPU benchmarks and how you get zero shader stutter with vulkan.

Pat must go.

>>102959062
I would say that were it not for the fact that nvidia also shits itself there. They're starting to get better but I'd love to have something like RTX HDR over on linux.

Should i go 27 inch or 32 inch for 4k?

>>102959082
don't really matter for 4k

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looking pretty good

Any idea when B850 mobos will ship? Want to build AM5 mATX system but all the boards kinda suck compared to Z890M alternatives

>>102959079
HDR works on Wayland but only in HDR supported games you have nothing like RTX HDR turning SDR games into HDR.

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Es ist aus
It's literally over
Now the amd Jews will ramp up x3d pricing for a shitty 8 core even more

>>102959112
yep 9800X3D def got another 50 or 100 onto it

>>102959109
Yeah, that's ass. I wanted to play some deus ex HR DC with the piss filter mod and HDR.

>>102959082
>>102959087
No 27 qdoled 4k exists so 32

catch me up on nvidia drivers being bad as of recent, havent been looking into it cause of busy life
is it real and what are the problems? or is this just shilling

>>102959169
shilling and user error

>>102959169
There is reports of g-sync flicker from 550 upwards.

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>>102958426
>the goyim hate it
start the remote detonation of all review samples

>>102959185
kek

>>102959104
you want X870M

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>>102958720
Intel would need Battlemage gpus to succeed for them to have a comeback in the market. However, since the company is hemorrhaging employees, I'm expecting Intel Arc to be fully canceled by the end of this year or next year. This won't spell the end of Intel as the U.S. government will keep putting money into the corpse of Intel, since they need it for international reasons, but they won't be a dominating force in the market.

>>102959197
well release dates for those? Not super into the rumor mill yet

>>102959175
>>102959184
its just cause i see people in the last thread and this one talking about nvidia shitting itself in 2024
i checked the nvidia subreddit and theyre talking about dsr/dldsr driver issue and alt tabbing issue or something?

What refresh rates you guys running on ur monitors? i'm at 165hz, but still seems awfully blurry at times. feels like the moments it counts the most im back at 60hz

>>102959169
>>102959225
broken MPOs since 2021
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157/~/after-updating-to-nvidia-game-ready-driver-461.09-or-newer%2C-some-desktop-apps
instead of fixing it they just tell you to disable it which causes issues with other things (HDR, LSFG Framegen, etc).

>>102959229
I had MPO enabled since I bought my 4070 super and didn't have any notorious issues.
I decided to disable it to fix some weird behavior with a game and it made no difference at all.

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trying to find an answer to this, but getting ignored by everyone and insufficient answers on google
So I bought a used evga 3060 and I'm getting huge memory controller loads on idle and during loads
It had some black dust behind the fans when I got it, which would indicate heavy fans spinning, possibly miner card.
Do I just get rid of it and get another or is it okay to use like this?
pic rel is on idle

>>102959257
>I decided to disable it to fix some weird behavior with a game and it made no difference at all.
>and it made no difference at all.
you literally cannot enter independent flip model without MPOs
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3ddxgi/for-best-performance--use-dxgi-flip-model
it breaks a TON of a WDDM shit with Windows
Do you know what WDDM is?????

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>>102959229
does this have to do with anything?
https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1g9i6ot/game_ready_driver_56603_faqdiscussion/ltbm7kw/

>>102959270
I meant no difference as in not fixing the problem I was having

>>102959228
360hz
I play old games at 360hz with black frame insertion

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>>102959270
>WDDM
was he right? picrel

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>>102959339
No, fuck that nonsense.
WDDM doesn't cause adrenalin to just open whenever you're not using the computer for 5 fucking seconds and decide to move the mouse
WDDM is not responsible for overclocking settings not saving
It's not responsible for this bullshit either
Nvidia drivers might not be that good specially these days when they're trying to replace the old panel with some gay app and their overlay seems fairly buggy, but let's not rewrite history about AMD drivers being terrible shit. I believe the reason they get so good over linux is that they're providing zero fucking settings there and they don't have gay shit that never works day or month one.

>>102958933
Just keep waiting.

>>102959426
you know you can have amd drivers without adrenalin sar, all he problems you named are related to adrenalin

just dont install adrenalin if you dont want to

>>102959263
>So I bought a used evga 3060 and I'm getting huge memory controller loads on idle and during loads
What screen(s) you have plugged in matter - running lots of screens and/or high res/refresh can contribute.

>>102958426
I want to buy an OLED but with them being barely above 400nits is not selling me on it.
There's one that interests me but it's got poor colour reproduction. Should I just wait fag it?

What cpu should I get if I want it to just werk?

>>102959484
Not even the best OLED TVs can sustain more than 250nits full screen, it is a limitation of the technology.

>>102959559
someone definitely just unleashed a bot on /g/ and this is one of their posts

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>>102959565
ok, show me an OLED TV that can sustain more than 250nits full screen, also don't forget to take your meds.

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>>102959559
I'm hearing extremely good things from a friend of mine who bought the AOC 27 inch mini-led and I want to give it a go if not for the fear of black smearing.

>>102959198
Battlemage won't move the needle, only poorfags need it.

why would they launch a new CPU if it's worse than 13th gen?

even 5800x3D is better never mind 7800/9800

>>102959555
7600(x)

>>102959634
Some money is better than no money.

>>102959634
new architecture is pain sometimes. they should have waited, done more testing, and modifications

>this is what happens when you rush to put out a fire... you make a bigger fire

>>102959583
what do you mean TV full screen?
>https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=tvlcd&xf=125_800%7E3952_OLED

>>102959697
100% sustained brightness, that 800nit measure is only in a 10% window.

>>102959426
>>102959426
>WDDM doesn't cause adrenalin to just open whenever you're not using the computer for 5 fucking seconds and decide to move the mouse

lol this shit happened on me on 24.8 driver.

>>102959263
What is your monitor refresh rate set at? That might affect the memory controller.
Get rid of it or try flashing the vBIOS. I'm leaning toward getting rid.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/234787/evga-rtx3060-12288-210502

>>102959477
just a single 1080 monitor

>>102959747
What refresh rate? Bear in mind it could be a million things causing the memory to spike for a moment but ultimately unless it is impacting performance or power in a meaningful way I wouldn't worry about it.

>>102958426
On a 5900x and 3080. Any reason to upgrade to 9800x3d when that comes out or 5800x3d? Also I haven’t had any issues with the 3080 so I think I’ll stick with it. I’m waiting for when 4K is playable with high fps and no ai upscaling bs

How long does it take motherboards manufacturers to release new BIOS for new CPUs.
I bought a B650 board a few weeks ago because the ARL leaks weren't looking good and X870(E) is a ripoff. I know I'll need to wait for new BIOS if I want to get a 9800X3D but I'm hoping it's only a week max of waiting

>>102959746
the refresh rate is 60 hertz and it's a 1080p mointor

>>102959634
New cucklet architecture. Wait for them to improve it (hopefully) like ayymd did with underwhelming 1st gen ryzens
>just two more nodes

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>>102959811
first gen ryzen had better memory latency on DDR4-2133
this shit is either temporarily broken or fundamentally flawed

Does anyone here own a Lian Li O11D EVO XL? Planning on doing the upright GPU layout.
Is the 600mm riser cable enough to reach the GPU in the XL? Or do I have to go with the 900mm?
GPU: GALAX RTX 4090 HOF
Thanks, anons.

if LGA1851 lasts ~3 gens, il will probably buy bulldozer lake. looking at all the overclockers, the platform will actually be great after some refinement lol

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>>102959850
>if LGA1851 lasts ~3 gens

Thinking of getting a notebook instead.
PC end consumer market has become a total joke, and it's getting worse.

Thinking of getting the GIGABYTE AORUS 16X with i7-13650HX and RTX 4060, good display, for 1000 bucks.

don't care, still buying intel.


eat shit.

>>102959861
they would implode their company even more if they didn't try to support it longer after today's outing

>t. basic business sense
no promise that they will use common sense

>>102959889
I would be genuinely shocked if lga 1851 supports more than arrow lake. Remember the adage: a socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear.

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What's the spiritual successor to the Thermaltake Core X9? I want a large cube-like case that supports a horizontal motherboard.

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>battle of the titans
this is just delusional, did the marketing team even look at this? clearly it's where most of the money went instead of the actual product development

the ringbus has fallen
billions must die

What's the idle power like on Arrowdozer?

>>102959873
but you're the one doing that.

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>>102959988
>"...when the competition is fierce"
So not until '26 or so.

>>102960085
pretty low. think Gn or someone said like 12~18 wats

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>>102960085
no anomalies here
though maybe they're being too aggressive with saving power and getting shit performance as a result

>Intel 10th gen was the last CPU with good memory latency

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>>102959844
Yeah no.
Besides, x3d's have shown you can have bad latency and still shit on sub 40ns ringbus intels. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll release broadwell 2.0. They brought back fivr already

>>102960224
Still rocking my 10900k. Idk when I’ll start noticing the age on this CPU. It does everything I want just fine.

I built my first pc yesterday and I'm messing with fan control stuff today.
I noticed that 2 of the three gpu fans are being controlled by the same setting. Is this normal or did I get a defective gpu?

>>102960255
>Yeah no
i had 75ns on that exact same setup with a 1700X, i have the sticks right here, 2x CMK8GX4M1A2400C16 (2400 16-16-16-39)
i didn't buy it until a few months after launch though so probably improved by AGESA updates
it doesn't really matter, beating first gen ryzen should be the easiest thing in the world, intel did it 7 years ago

>>102960376
That's normal, it's not cost-efficient to add a separate fan header for each fan on the PCB.

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>Oh yeah today was the day Arrow Lake was supposed to launch
>Let's how it's do-
>Not stable in windows
>Not stable on expensive high-end RAM
>Default BIOS options not set right
>Next-gen flagship outperformed by 12th Gen i5
MY GOD. I just went and checked and the 285K is $620 while the 12600K is $150 on PCPP and that's without considering how expensive the required Z890 boards. I thought we were done with historically awful CPU launches after Zen 5%. How? How can it be so bad?

>>102960449
Amd knew they didn’t have to do shit for Zen 5%

>Haswell-era FIVR used switching regulators
>brought back FIVR for Arrow Lake with linear regulators that are less efficient than switching regulators
thanks... at least DLVR bypass was a thoughtful thing to include

>>102959850
Intel hasn't even committed to 2 gens. There's still zero confirmation this isn't a 1 generation socket. Last I read Intel isn't doing an arrow lake refresh and Nova Lake will be a brand new socket.

>>102959228
OLED>tn>ips>va
If you are running 165hz ips don't expect amazing clarity, if you are running va, you're fucked
Best you can currently get is 480hz OLED but you also need the frames

>>102959606
>Buying a va 165hz over any OLED monitor
Literally gorilla

>>102959484
If you want brightness you gotta redeem the qdoled because muh 2x brighter colors and better hdr too, moar color saturation perceived better and brighter color
Still won't be eye searing
What do you sit in full sunlight or what? Your usecase is not made for quality either so shit will do for you
Also you can consider buying a tv instead for more brightness I guess, Samsung s95c or sui

>>102959871
You are deffo retardmaxxing with this logic
Also if it's not a glossy OLED high ppi screen it's shit tbqh
Laptop and desktop not comparable don't do it retard
T. Laptop haver

>>102960449
Wait for the real review from Jewfus where he disables 90% of the CPU aka the scores
Have trust friend
For real tho chiplets and cuck cores were a mistake, but anywho

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this is my current setup, thinking about going to a R9 7900X3D (for 16 cores, faster compile times) and a 4060 ti, though i could just skip out on the GPU if i wanted to really save (i kinda want to give this build to my sister however)

Zen 6 X3D when

>>102960427
Thank you, glad to hear that.

>>102960595
if you are on linux and compile times matter 9000 series is a marked improvement over 7000.

>>102958426
got a mini itx motherboard with a 11600k intel cpu that i want to plug into the 65 inch tv, also got the controllers laying around. Just need a nice htpc like case and a fitting graphic card with a budget of about 700 euros, any advice?

>>102960573
>Wait for the real review from Jewfus where he disables 90% of the CPU aka the scores
lmao
he's not gonna be able to deal with all the dials and switches on arrow lake
i wish him good luck though because no one else is going to test overclocked gaming performance

>>102960573
>Jewfus
Which one is that, the coke fiend with the snake oil tuneup business?

>>102960659
German cuck will

https://skatterbencher.com/2024/10/24/arrow-lake-memss-overclocking/
You can get Raptor Lake memory latency back but it requires autism

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>>102960811
attach pic

>>102960760
which german cuck? der8auer has no idea how to tune for real world performance, he cares about big numbers
>>102960827
that's still terrible
raptor lake memory latency at 8600 (theoretical, because it doesn't go that high) would be ~45ns

>>102960601
January 2026, zen6 will release Q4 2025

>>102960573
>Laptop and desktop not comparable don't do it retard

Stfu you low IQ cretin. You shilling for OLEDs says everything.

Is there a way to reverse the shroud on fans so the plastic part doesn't cross over the fans on intake ones?

>wanna build a gaming pc
>no games coming out that I need to build it for

sow which one of the new 9000X3D CPU's are gonna be the new gaming king? or is the 7800X3D still on the throne?

>>102961064
9800X3D is gonna be 5-10% faster
9950X3D will be the fastest IF they put cache on both CCDs

>>102961063
monster hunter wilds
metal gear solid delta
doom the dark ages
kingdom come 2
pso3

>>102961063
You don't play MHWilds? I played World too much so I'm burnt out atm.

>>102961080
9950X3D we dont even have dates or prices yet

>>102961090
right
but they're always gonna put the best silicon into the most expensive chip, the 7950X3D only sucked because of the weird CCD layout

>>102961090
we don't even know which model is being revealed in november

>>102961080
so is it worth upgrading from? or is the 7800X3D still gonna be the most used?

>>102961114
i guarantee there's no reason to upgrade if you currently own a 7800X3D (or 5800X3D)
don't worry about it

Is it worth doing the optimization on a 7950X3D?

>>102960595
>>102960616
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MXQRN6 This is what i have picked out for that then.
Though, im genuinely considering getting a System76 Thelio with basically the same specs (4200 Mhz ram instead, also no optical drive but that was just a bonus for me) so i dont have to wait for all of the parts and building and can focus on my classes.

Fellas I’m afraid it’s unironically over for Intel. Press F to pay respects. I really don’t think whatever they’ve got coming next will be any good either. Hoping the 9800x3d isn’t too expensive.

>>102961141
they'll figure it out. for just work ARL is fine unironically.
but if you do ANY gaming it is an extremely hard sell

Buy the dip

>>102961141
Intel won when they made the x86 alliance.

I just wanted to see Battlemage.

>>102961127
good to know thanks

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>Arrow Lake is a disaster
So, uh, just wait for the 12 P-Core Bartlett Lake right guys? ....Guys?

Skipping CPUs this gen and getting a 5090 in Jan. If Intel is still shit next year I’m joining the AMD jeets.

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How did intel manage to make a worse disaggregated arch than Zen 1 despite having about 100 times the R&D budget?

>>102961247
Their first mistake was trusting Israel.

>>102961184
Intel hasn't announced the Battlemage dGPU because it sucks.
They wouldn't be hiding a winner when the RTX 5070's literally months away from announcement.

Okay actual AMD shills, what are some quirks with and cpus that I should be aware of?

>>102961266
don't buy faster RAM than DDR5-6000
don't buy a $500 motherboard unless you really need the I/O
don't try to manually overclock the CPU like you would on intel
it's gonna take 3-4 minutes to boot the first time

>>102960128
At least the move to chiplets didn't crucify their great idle power like it did AMD.

>>102960827
>>102961247
That latency is hot garbage though, no wonder despite having good ST/MT Cinebench scores gaming is awful.

>>102961266
I am on Zen3 and there is nothing weird or quirky about it, don't know about Zen4/5

>could have enabled HT for clear multithreading lead
>disable HT anyway for an imaginary ST gain crippled by memory subsystem

>>102961295
>At least the move to chiplets didn't crucify their great idle power like it did AMD
AMD has worse idle power because they disable all the powersaving shit when you enable XMP/EXPO (SOC/uncore OC mode)
it's a tradeoff, the chiplet link never has to power down which decreases latency, performance > everything

>>102961303
but it still trades blows and sometimes leads MT

>>102961303
The silicon needed for HT is physically not present on the P-core frontend, this isn't a BIOS tweak.

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retards will actually pick the 4070 super because they cant read specs or charts and just go by blind faith that dlss or rt will somehow make it up

>>102961361
Vega 64 > 1080 Ti btw

>>102961361
I believe that if you're building a PC your GPU should at least be $1,000. Maybe $700 for a simple budget PC for office tasks. Otherwise get a console.

Intel isn’t going anywhere because they develop chips for the us gubment, but consumer cpus are donezo for them

>>102961406
Okay? Except you forget that if the hardware has been defective for multiple generations, the gubment is going to go with something else. You know, that works?

>>102959873
Get Arc too. Intel needs our support to become a real GPU contender.

>>102961361
Yes, on paper RDNA3 is faster, but on practice it is not
>inb4 AMD finewine technology
Never buy a product in the basis of future promises/features

>>102961415
Are the generations of defective hardware in the room with us right now? Do you think America is using 13th and 14th gen cpus in their computers? No. They build what the US wants them to build.

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>>102961429
>on paper DLSS is better than native, but on practice its not and people are still gonna choose the DLSS card because ???

>>102961452
Notice this guy always posts the same image where people won't even notice that zoomed-in background detail when they're playing the game.

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>>102961452
You are fighting with the wrong anon here, I hate DLSS/TAA vaseline blur shit, I am just stating the fact that Ada is faster than RDNA3 at native res even though RDNA3 is faster on paper.

So you mean to tell me Intel spent like 4 years developing this just for it to be weaker than the CPUs it released 2 generations ago? Something doesn’t add up. I think they originally intended this thing to beat the 14900ks but had to scale back the clocks and voltage because these new chips were still susceptible to the degradation issues that 13th and 14th gen CPUs have.

>>102961361
I'm done with AMD's driver fuckups, yes I care about raytracing and all the cool stuff is nvidia only, yes DLSS is pretty damn good and beats all its competitors
even "productivity" bullshit favors CUDA, for AMD any AI bulllshit usually takes 5 extra steps and abandoned github repos and works worse anyway
yes njudea are fucking kikes that are lubing up to fuck everyone with a new series yet again

>>102961489
7900gre is on par with the 7900xt after the memory toggle in the driver so the 4070 super is still 20+% slower.

>>102961582
>I'm done with AMD's driver fuckups
Look at this stupid fuck who cant setup Windows properly. Why hasn't gamersnexus said shit about rdna2 or rdna3 drivers in the last 5 years?

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>>102961452
>>102961473

>>102961086
>delta
people aren't waiting to play a game they've already played a few too many times, right?

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I was going to buy these parts (excluding the 4090 I already own), but just learned that the AMD 9800X3D was announced.

Should I wait for the 9800X3D? Is there any way to tell that it is worth waiting for?

>>102961688
What the fuck is this trash? Right, you absolutely need a $700 gpu to play the game that looks like some mobile slop.

>>102961669
who the fuck cares about gamersnexus? do a couple of searches and it's years and years of constant complaints about amd drivers on all sorts of forums

>>102961773
quite literally 2 weeks away, just wait

>>102961773
>paying for winjews

>>102961773
Don't pay that price for the 4090. I just bought that same card at MSRP by using an in stock tracker

>>102961809
Did you even read the post?

Is it possible that zen 5 chips are just rebadged zen 4 as a way to keep prices from tanking

>>102961773
>install 3 modern games
>drive full
Get a bigger SSD.

>>102961791
Say that to the faggot that references the game image every time DLSS is mentioned. >>102961452

any arrow lakers in the chat?

>>102961931
kek

The only way for Intel to save this shitty platform is to promise support for at least 3 generations.

>>102961931
>Anhero lakers

>>102961086
>>monster hunter wilds
>build a PC to play games where the devs target 60fps with frame gen

>>102961773
Leaks are saying its 8% faster for gaming

>>102961206
Raptorlake is a proven gaming uarch
12 p-core would be marginally better than the 14900k but worlds ahead of the 285k

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How do we stop the advanced marketing department from slandering intel?

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>>102962074
>Reddit
>Fucktrump handle
>-15 karma
LOL LMAO EVEN

>>102962074
The premise of the video is retarded, like I said here >>102961429,
>Never buy a product in the basis of future promises/features

>>102958426
DDR4 has CUDIMM?

I’m so happy I got my 14900ks and didn’t wait for this gen. Seems useless. Same price but worse performance but wow I could save $8 on my electric bill every year!
Also all those Gamers Nexus 1080p benchmarks don’t show how my 5800x3d couldn’t do 4k gaming without stutters. The 14900ks is rock solid. Something fishy about x3d crap, wish I hadn’t bought into the hype. Took that AMD mobo out after a year.

>>102962107
Holy Intcel shill

Tell me why I shouldn’t just get a 14900ks with one of those ddr5 10k mhz cudimms

I've been wanting to build a new pc since 2023 but I still haven't done it. I keep waiting for something and I don't know why.

>>102962115
Because RPL doesn't support cudimms

>>102962131
>RPL doesn't support cudimms
well why the fuck does arrow lake have it if it makes no difference

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>>102962189
Don't ask me, the platform has to support it

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you may not like it but this is peak price to performance while being way quieter than any nvidia card.

>>102962189
So they can help sell even more espensie motherboards

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lmao

>>102962208
Thought of upgrading to this from my 6600xt but at this point I'll just wait for rdna4/battlemage

>>102962221
Whose review?

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>>102962226
derbauer, it looks like cudimm does make a difference at least

tfw getting 1080 Ti / 2070 performance at 100W with 4060 Ti
this meme gpu will age well

>>102962224
Even amd admits rdna4 will flop
>battlemage
Kek

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interesting

>>102962114
I don’t think anyone else should buy intel, just saying what works for me. Stick with AMD because nobody wants to hear you bitching about an intel cpu dying because you tinkered with the volts. Intel is a man’s CPU and it takes balls to run them. You can’t handle 300+ watts out of box so stay away.

>>102962115
My 14900ks is awesome, it makes a build fun. Zero regurts.

Use case for 285K?

>>102962265
CS2 is supported by APO btw, I wonder how much better the 285k can get if intel adds support for more games.

>>102962281
thats from his own tweaks/OC iirc

>>102962278
IDF donation

>>102962278
One anon mentioned that it exists for intel users that want to upgrade from previous gens.

>>102962291
It is, but APO also increases performance on top of that

>>102962242
>if I compare my card to one from 7 years/3 gens before it kinda performs the same!
I don't think this is as good as you think it is

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>>102962208
???

How can Intel have thread scheduling issues with Arrow Lake when they literally removed HT for the first time since the motherfucking Pentium 4? This is the simplest thread design since Rocket Lake before they split P & E cores.

How can I now if my DDR5 kit is dual rank?

>>102962336
speak english first

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>>102962278
Encoding rig I guess.

>>102962354
wait a minute that's kind of nice

>>102962349
*know

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Is this a good deal or are these the ones that experience burn in

>>102962388
All OLEDs will experience some burn-in, it is not a matter of if but when.

>>102962388
all the oleds burn in but they still mog every ips and va panel on the market. 27 inch 1440p 360hz oled is probably gonna be the best looking display out of the bunch.

>>102962388
the alienware version of the 32" one is like 700 burger bucks right now

>>102962388
Enjoy your VRR flicker

What do you guys think of this build? I had it for 1500 euros in my country
1440p

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fvjJz6

I wanted to focus on low power consumption and heat but I probably messed up big time lol

>>102962388
Just get an LG C4 42in and push it as far back against the wall as you can. You'll eventually grow to appreciate the size, it makes media watching 10x better. You also wont have to deal with any of the retarded monitor decisions such as matte screens and awful setting menus.

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>>102962359
>wait a minute that's kind of nice
Yes. My takeaway from TPU's reviews was that ARL is actually an alright uplift in MT performance over RPL but it's a side or downgrade when it comes to gaming (pity). I could have even seen myself recommending it over 13/14th Gen to some posters here on /pcbg/ if they said their workload ratios were 60/40 Productivity/Gaming or better EXCEPT Intel has pulled an AMD and slapped stupid MSRPs on it compounding the obscene ransoms for the required Z890 boards rendering it meaningless.

>>102962388
All OLEDs will get burn-in, but most come with 3-year burn-in warranties now and likely will be good for 5-7 years at least if you let the display run it's internal scheduled compensation cycles. If you reserve it for content consumption (games, video, comics) and keep your LCD as a secondary monitor for web browsing/office stuff then they should last 10 years or more.

Also those are terrible prices if you are in the US:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=7,9&sort=price&page=1
^The standout OLED Deals right now are:
INNOCN 27A1S - Cheapest 1440p WOLED ($550)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8KzXsY/innocn-27a1s-270-2560-x-1440-250-hz-monitor-27a1s

AOC Agon PRO AG276QZD2 - Cheapest 1440p QD-OLED ($600)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2

MSI MAG 321UP - Cheapest 4k QD-OLED ($800)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4HkH99/msi-mag-321up-qd-oled-315-3840-x-2160-165-hz-monitor-mag-321up-qd-oled

QD-OLED looks better than WOLED on account of higher color volume/gamut and having a glossy finish instead of matte coating (except Samsung SKUs). 4K models have much higher pixel density that all-but-eliminates color fringing on black text that appears on white backgrounds like the desktop on 1440p models because of non-RGB-based subpixel rendering.

>>102962546
>pulled an AMD and slapped stupid MSRPs on it
That's what happens when you need to pay the tamc tax and can't leverage your own fabs to get cheap production. It's why AMD always uses a node behind the latest for their chips.

>>102962546
>>102962565
thing is AMD also keeps the CCDs small so they're making bank, but then so is Nvidia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcsW-myRC

>>102962690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcsW-myRCU deleted the U from the link somehow

If I'm not consooming the latest and 'greatest' AAA slop, is a 4070 Super a good pick to pair with a 1440p180hz monitor?

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>>102962762
Yes, but also consider the 7900 GRE (literally get whichever is cheaper and in the event they are both the same price then the 7900 GRE has 4GB extra VRAM). If it's not AAA games you can get by with anything as strong as a used 3080 or better.

>>102962762
I'm curious too. I planned on 7500f paired with a 4070 super. Mainly interested in good thermals and low consumption for 1440p.

My usage will be anything from retro gaming to strategy games, and sometimes newer games.

>>102962816
I play a lot of modded Minecraft and ray-tracing functionality is an allure to me. Occasionally I do end up succumbing to Bobby's Rat Maze AKA WoW now and again, and ray-tracing there is also a consideration.
>>102962817
I was planning on the 7800X3D + 2x16GB RAM.

>>102962354
>Just PBO and undervolt/Curve Optimize the ryzen
>Free extra 200mhz and 10% perf at no extra power
>Probs uses 40W less still and can price drop to $549 to $499 by early next year with ArrLoL lake gets "fixed" for gaming

That's assuming the 9950X3D doesn't also fix the shitty VF curves that make a 9950X use more power in games but still slap the 285K around

That $200 ASROCK PG Lightning X670E is looking mighty tasty with $100 of RAM Lol

>>102962874
I'm no expert but it sounds solid. I'm having more doubts with my CPU choice since 7800x3d is out of my budget

All I'm interested are ok performance for 1440p but great thermals/power consumption.

>>102962817
Still better performing in 1080P and 1440P gaming than a 265K/285K with a 4080 I bet lmao. We can't even talk about the 245K because of how much lower it clocks and performs.

If you learn memory tuning, or your board has a BIOS pre-set special profile, you might be able to get another 5-10% perf...

>>102962874
Hi Anon, Spoiler:
The common raytracing Java mods (SEUS/PTGI) run on any GPU. They're compute based shaders.

There's no benefit for an Nvidia GPU even with "RTX" because of how anemic their cores are with DL(OL)SS.

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>>102962817
>I'm curious too. I planned on 7500f paired with a 4070 super. Mainly interested in good thermals and low consumption for 1440p.
>My usage will be anything from retro gaming to strategy games, and sometimes newer games.
Should be fine. 4070S get over 110+ FPS @ 1440p and that's with a suite including many more strenuous titles. Also the ranger from 112 avg to 89 min fps in >>102962816 shows that you'd have pretty good frame pacing for smoothness.

>>102962874
>I play a lot of modded Minecraft and ray-tracing functionality is an allure to me. Occasionally I do end up succumbing to Bobby's Rat Maze AKA WoW now and again, and ray-tracing there is also a consideration.
Fair enough. Minecraft unironically along with modded Quake still impresses me for with RT than CP2077 or anything else.

>>102959263
Looks like a memory leak.

>>102962913
Yeah I'll definitely learn about memory tuning. I picked a better motherboard to have more leeway. I'll make some research on undervolting since my main concern are temperatures and power consumption.

You can check the build I ordered here (1500 euros)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fvjJz6
I'd like some opinion

>>102962923
Those GRE benchmarks had me hesitating for a while. The lower power consumption of the 4070s convinced me but I'm still hesitating admittedly.

The retailer only has the XFX GRE. If you have time you can check it'd called memory pc. My budget is 1500

>>102962947
Anon, I do want to point two things out, depending on your regional pricing:

That Power Supply is a bit expensive for the wattage. An Corsair 850 RM X or so is about $110 USD vs $160 on that site. You're in Europe, but you could probably save some Euros unless the PSU is cheaper there?

For the Gigabyte Board, how much are you paying for it? Do know it doesn't support PCIE 5 SSDs or GPUs, so if you don't intend on buying higher end parts in the future like a 5070Ti + 9800X3D with a 2TB PCIE 5 (twice read/write speed) then it's fine, but there may be boards at a similar price (200-250EUR?) that support all that, or 40-50EUR cheaper boards with the same functionality maybe.

For reference, in the USA, the ASROCK PG Lightnign X670E is 200 USD too and has PCIE 5 GPU and top SSD slots.

>DLVR ruins Arrow Lake all-core efficiency
the mobile rooted design shows and seems paradoxical when its strength is workstation

>>102962971
So for the GRE, the power consumption will be about 70W higher, but that's stock. You can always do the Memory Frequency increase + Core Undervolt trick in Radeon Wattman (in the AMD drivers) to help things out

Here's a random 7900GRE example with Overclocking Core and RAM, you can get 5-10% perf more, but another 10-15% power increase

https://youtu.be/MAkBvkbne_E OC + Tuning

https://youtu.be/j0QRAiVC9Pk Some UV (250W 90FPS Cyberpunk to 89FPS 215W)

>>102962923
Follow-up question: Since my current part listing ( https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HjQLWt ) seems to be more expensive than I anticipated, I was thinking of buying the GPU and monitor at one point and then the rest (CPU/mobo/RAM/etc) another time. Should I get the GPU and monitor for Christmas and then buy the rest on my birthday a few months later, or should it be vice versa?

so, the 285k is shit, how about the other 2 in the lineup? any redeeming qualities?

>>102962990
I picked this PSU for the rating mainly. So a 850w rmx corsair be a better choice?

As for the motherboard I actually planned on upgrading so what you're telling me is spot on. I was buying everything on the same website and it didn't had any ASRock... I know they're better for AM5

Guess I'll return this pc and pick the parts myself if it's that bad.

>>102963051
anon if you want to game just go AMD

>>102963064
I'm not buying, I'm just wondering if the entire lineup is worthless

>>102963057
Bruh, check the hwbusters atx 3.1 tier list for proper 3.1 psu. Also, you get x870 pro rs for the same price with is just better. What the fuck are you buying 7500f for? Why not the 7600x or 7700x?

>>102963057
It all depends on pricing really, if it costs you more to return the PC, or the replacement parts suggestions don't exist at a similar price, then everything you brought will be fine. But if you do see the other parts in stock, within 10-20EUR, the 850W will let you use any CPU and GPU (even a 9950X3D + 5090) if you find them used for cheap in 2028-2030 Lol.

A *lot* of PSUs are overpriced on wattage really, and there's not been any obvious issues I've heard or had with my RM750X.

I would avoid any MSI boards, just because their pricing and features are bad. I would also avoid any Gigabyte PSUs or ASUS anything, as they killed 7800X3Ds from stupid board BIOSes and Designs

Also, another 'scam' to look out for is the "B650-E" vs "B650E". Asus calls their boards "B650-E" even if they don't support PCIE 5 GPU and a main PCIE 5 SSD. Real B650E (ie, 175-225EUR boards) have both.

Is the performance boost worth the trouble of optimizing a 7950x3d?

>>102963075
the 285k is great for productivity the 265k is pretty dece due to its price point

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>8700k
>16gb 3600mhz ddr4
>2080 8gb
>aorus master z390 board
>850W psu

Everything runs fine but I'm a slut for more power. Should I upgrade or wait?

>>102963084
Damn that board is looking pretty good at the $220 USA price point. Good job ASRock.

I can't believe a fucking $350 Gigabyte Gaming X has WORSE pcie connectivity than random ass B550 boards. Like, B550 gives you PCIE 4.0 X16 + 3.0 X4 for $125-150 in 2020. We've got X870s with PCIE 5.0 X16 but TWO oversized, full sized PCIE 3.0 X1 *only* slots.

Fucking boards lmfao. Hate that I have to probably get a tomahawk and have shit dangling out of my board for M.2 PCIE 4.0 x4 to U.2 for my datacenter drives (optane and shit) in order to have a 2nd GPU for LLAMA AI offloading in the future

>>102963108
wait one more generation brother

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>>102963105
"Great for productivity" it still uses 10-20% more power than a 9950X for 5-10% more performance, at best, or a tie. The 9700X is annoying just a bit slower than the super cut back 245K.

Hilariously AMD might just give us better multithread performance on tuned 9800X3Ds than a 9700X. Because, y'know, higher TDP max and better V/F curve lol.

>>102963084
I'll check, thanks. Well I looked at benchmarks and the 7500f was easier to cool than the 7600x or 7700x. Is it that bad of a choice? I thought performances were similar.

>>102963085
I checked the ASRock board mentioned earlier, it comes for around 40 euros more.

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>>102963118
thank you my friend

>>102963125
Geekbench isnt productivity. look at actual rendering and encoding

>>102963126
Don't listen to those benchmarks, the 9600X barely uses any power still and the 7600X will be like 10% faster too.

But for price issues, yeah, the 7500F *should* be 50EUR cheaper than a 7600X and 100EUR? less than a 9600X. Is there a website you're buying off of, of a specific country so we can stop guessing

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>>102963136
It's showing a performance difference from the in-testing 9800X3D to the 9700X, that's the main thing of interest

>>102963147
Right, should have mentioned earlier. France. Also I picked the parts on a website called memory PC. Thought it'd be easier to pick everything off the same place

There's a France version of part picker

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>102963126
Bruh, don't worry about cooling, even 7950x is like 170 to 200w tdp, you can use something like thermal right peerless assassin 120 or deepcool ag620 and should be more than enough.

The board might be worth it considering what you get, look at other b650e or x670e asrock boards.

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>9700X
>2*16GB 6000CL30
>Taichi Lite
Will upgrade to the 10950X3D and 64GB of whatever ram speed zen6 will need on the same board, feels good.

>>102963163
So the PSU looks like 200-220EUR? That's really expensive I feel.

The RM850X is 160EUR? and, this ThermalTake has good ratings on that HWBuster site, for 750W, but 120EUR?

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/phVmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-4

Let me know if that comes a decent bit lower in the specific stores vs the one you brought

>>102963048
>Follow-up question: Since my current part listing ( https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HjQLWt ) seems to be more expensive than I anticipated, I was thinking of buying the GPU and monitor at one point and then the rest (CPU/mobo/RAM/etc) another time. Should I get the GPU and monitor for Christmas and then buy the rest on my birthday a few months later, or should it be vice versa?
No. Never ever buy parts piece-meal because:
1. Prices of the parts you already bought could drop by the time you order the missing ones to use them with.
2. If you got a DOA part (for example the GPU) and couldn't test it for months waiting to order other parts you'll be outside the return window and RMA'ing under warranty is more of a pain.

What is your preferred budget and country? I'll see if I can help pull you back now.

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>>102963195
anon, before you buy the board you should look at HardwareUnboxed's RAM compatibility/max speed charts if you haven't already

The Taichi lite has the shittiest stable RAM support fyi. Not known if it's a BIOS, but if the board itself is shitty then they can't fix it, and you'll be memed out of 8000MHz+ Zen 6 when they actually give us better fabric+I/O Die clocks

>>102963213
Didn't thought about that, will check it out.

>>102963051
>so, the 285k is shit, how about the other 2 in the lineup? any redeeming qualities?
Not really if you do even 50/50 gaming. Loses too much ground on that front and is too expensive for the chips + motherboard.
Either go Zen 4 or 13/14th Gen. + Day 1 BIOS Update. 2024 never happened as far CPUs launches in my mind.

what are the scores like at 1440p and 4k
if there's no difference then maybe the new cpu is kinda worth it if you do mt stuff

>>102963200
It's 123 euros

The BeQuiet is at 108 euros in the website I picked the parts on:
memorypc.eu

>>102963223
Right now, with a lottery draw on Ryzen 9000 (same as ryzen 7000 Mem support wise desu) 8000MHz isn't even guaranteed because they keep adding ram slots. ASUS is the only one marketing their "NitroPath" on Intel Z890, because "Ryzen doesn't support fast RAM".

For the CPU side this gen, 8000MHz is more board orientated because the Fabric and UClk (Mem controller clocks) downclock to an "easy" 2000MHz each for "Gear 2" mode like Intel.

Cheap boards with Good ryzens can max out atm at 6200MHz-6400MHz (2050 or 2133MHz Fabric *3 + 3050 to 3200MHz UCLK) but not do 8000MHz because of the board quality issue

Bad Ryzens (ie, 6000MHz stable only) can do 8000-8200MHz or so with a Good board because the fabric is at 2000-2050MHz still (2K *4=8K) and UClk is also very low. The performance benefits depend on your workload. Tuned 6000MHz RAM (ie CL30, with custom timings, a RAM Fan + high trefi and subtimings too maximize active time vs 'idle' RAM refresh) are the meta atm

>>102963223
*didn't think about that

>>102963248
Interesting. Well, if you care about future compatibility for Nvidia GPUs the Thermaltake would be a better one I guess?

I'm surprised at how much variation there is. 100EUR for a 750W psu isn't bad though. Take a look at the boards and see what has a similar price, but on their pages, lists native PCIE 5 support if you want

>>102963206
Florida, and I'm not necessarily looking at a specific budget limit, I just want to see what I can cut corners on without destroying my performance potential.
To further clarify, this isn't a brand-new rig I'm buying, these are upgrades for my current rig (hence the lack of a chassis and PSU in that list, which I plan to recycle from my current setup), so I will be able to test whatever is shipped even if I do it piece-meal.

My current rig is:
>MSI Z270-A Pro
>GTX 1060 3GB
>i5-7600K CPU
>4x4GB DDR4 RAM
>Corsair RM850X PSU
>SanDisk 1TB SATA-3 SSD (Boot) + WD 4TB NVMe SSD (Game Storage)

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>CEO Pat Gelsinger said Kelleher’s successor is Navid Shahriari, who jointly runs Intel’s design engineering operation from Arizona.

>>102963270
Oh, and my current monitor is a Sceptre 1080p60hz, forgot to mention.

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>>102963252
Thanks bro, will get the AORUS PRO instead, cheaper than the Taichi Lite, memory up to 7800 (I doubt Zen6 will reach 7800 even with a new IOD), cool VRMs and my current MB is the B550 AORUS PRO AC and I haven't experienced any issues with it.

>>102963262
Maybe. You can always use PCPartPicker, I don't need to stick with that website at all. Just thought it'd be easier to buy everything from the same place.

The only ones I found are Gigabyte B650E Aorus Elite X AX Ice and MSI MAG X670 Gaming Plus WiFi

>>102963286
Another jeet? Honestly this might sound racist but a coworker and I were having a conversation about how Indians seem to make their way to the top of organizations and then fill them with their own kind. Often to the detriment of said organizations.

>>102963048
>>102963206
>>102963270
the 9800X3D will be out in two weeks, I think the better plan is to buy your platform for christmas and get the GPU and monitor for your birthday because Blackwell and RDNA4 will be out then.

>>102962336
If it physically has 8 chips on each side of the dimm

>>102963351
The networking part is well known.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59457015
https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/twitter-google-microsoft-indian-born-leaders.html

>>102963356
I'm scared of how expensive the 9800 will be, since the 7800 has been steadily climbing for the last couple months. I'm not concerned with being on the absolute cutting-edge and I'm willing to fall behind a single generation in the hopes of taking advantage of whatever dip in price the 40 series RTXs and last-gen CPUs will get when the 50 series and current-gen CPUs hit the markets.

>>102963401
They'd be dumb to price it any less than $499.99.
The moderate performance gain from the 7800X3D is the 9800X3D's only real price ceiling.

>>102963369
dual rank should perform better at the same frequency vs single rank, right?

>>102963270
>Florida
Do you happen to within driving distance of the MicroCenter in Miami?
https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/miami.aspx

>To further clarify, this isn't a brand-new rig I'm buying, these are upgrades for my current rig (hence the lack of a chassis and PSU in that list, which I plan to recycle from my current setup), so I will be able to test whatever is shipped even if I do it piece-meal.
Ah I see, that changes things if you mind don't upgrading parts out bit-by-bit no problem. There's nothing coming at your GPU price range to shake things up until next Spring anyway while the 9800X3D will be released in November and should hopefully bring the recently-hiked 7800X3D back down to Earth (or just take his former price point's place).

>>102963293
>Oh, and my current monitor is a Sceptre 1080p60hz, forgot to mention.
>1080p @ 60Hz in 2024
My goodness, yes I'd upgrade your monitor and GPU first. Since you mentioned you aren't playing AAA titles it's not like your platform is going to leave games unplayable due to any resulting bottlenecks from that order of upgrades. If your budget allows I'd seriously consider ripping the bandaid off and getting an entry-level OLED (500-600$) like mentioned in >>102962546 for games/video and keeping that Scepter as your secondary web/desktop display, even if it means cutting into your GPU/CPU budget a little since again you say aren't that big into taxing AAA titles anyway that'd demand it. The day and night difference in contrast, colors, viewing angles, and motion will be much more apparent experience enhancement to you in the games you do play than the standard "FPS # go up" improvement of more expensive guts. The AOC Q27G3XMN is alright otherwise, but does not compare to a self-missive display.

>>102963435
>Do you happen to within driving distance of the MicroCenter in Miami?
Central Florida, Orlando specifically, unfortunately.
>There's nothing coming at your GPU price range to shake things up until next Spring anyway while the 9800X3D will be released in November and should hopefully bring the recently-hiked 7800X3D back down to Earth (or just take his former price point's place).
Does that mean the 7800 is likely to stay low in price long after Christmas and well into 2025? Or is it more likely gonna be a temporary dip only?
>If your budget allows I'd seriously consider ripping the bandaid off and getting an entry-level OLED (500-600$)
Ooof, that'd bring the total above 2k, and if I did have a hard budget limit I'd have to say 2k would be it.

>>102963414
I still believe it will be $450

>>102963423
Better only in synthetics on ddr5 because of their superior base design and way better in real world programs on ddr4

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>>102963487
>Does that mean the 7800 is likely to stay low in price long after Christmas and well into 2025? Or is it more likely gonna be a temporary dip only?
I'd have to imagine the 7800X3D will drop after the 9800X3D is out at least back to ~$400 or so through Christmas. It was bouncing between $350 & $400 all last year right until this passed June:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0BTZB7F88?tp=1y

>Ooof, that'd bring the total above 2k, and if I did have a hard budget limit I'd have to say 2k would be it.
You misunderstand, I'd suggest a cheaper platform build that's just powerful enough to not bottleneck your GPU and then take the savings and shove them into the Monitor. Something like picrel here (actually $170 cheaper than your build):
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wPpryg

Uses a 5700X3D on AliExpress for $143 which performs like a 7600X in games and won't hold the 4070S back @ 1440p and cheap DDR4 RAM:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806921974699.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/22.html
A QD-OLED just curbstomps any LCD.

>>102958426
>ATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/III
Is this a fucking meme? These are gay af

>>102963688
Wait for the lancool 217

>>102962354
Are Ryzens so slow at encoding purely because they don't have e-cores? I use ffmpeg sometimes so I might have considered Arrow Lake if its gaming performance wasn't so bad and didn't still use like 200W but that's gone out the window I guess.

>>102963286
>Kelleher
literally whomst

>>102963776
Ryzens are good at encoding actually
They simply aren't chart toppers now because they have stricter power and current limits than arrowlake

>>102961086
>pso3
This doesn't exist. Why would you raise hopes like that

>>102961669
>Why hasn't gamersnexus said shit about rdna2 or rdna3 drivers in the last 5 years?
Because tech jesus tells his retard audience to buy AMD while he daily drives nvidia.

>>102963776
No, they're "slow" because they just have less cores and lower power limits/power consumption

The 245K is helped by the E-cores because there's less of them, and so each core gets higher frequency which scales better on some codecs than pure core counts.

The 9700X isn't a full 10% slower than the 245K, but it seems to use 20% (20W) more power because the core count is so low, the I/O die eats into the total power and makes it look worse than it would if it scaled purely with cores.

It's also got really good AVX512 unlike any of the Core Ultra 200s. Plus outside of encoding, you get the godawful 5.2GHz P-core freq vs 5.5GHz Zen 5 cores stock etc, if AMD makes it $329 it'll be probs a decent tradeoff.

Again, 8 Cores 16 Threads vs 14 Cores (6+8)

In SVT-AV1 the 9700X is 8% faster than the 245K, but in the SVT-HEVC it's 20% slower. But again, in the Handbrake X265 (which more folks use I guess) it's basically tied in FPS with the 245K and back to 20% slower or so vs X264 which already runs really really fast for "normal" re-encodes with ffmpeg at lower bitrates / CRF stuff, like 200-300fps on a 5800X when I screwed around with ShotCut for 1080P 60 video

I can't really say like, for platform shit what's the better option especially if you get a 7950X3D Bundle (max efficiency + 40% faster encoding stock, before undervolting the other cores) for $650 or something. The new Core 200 boards and 'recommended' ram are like expensive as fuck.

The 9800X3D would probably beat the 9700X by 10% in workload but you're getting a $100 VCache + Efficiency tax, ie $300 Core 2 Ultra (6400MHz Ram for $200 on all) vs $350 vs $450 9800X

>>102963880
actually he daily drives old shit that falls off the testing charts so its not e-waste
he probably is using a 2080ti however

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>>102961080
>9950X3D will be the fastest IF they put cache on both CCDs
implying they iron out the issues that will obviously come with it... this will be the first time they're doing cache on both CCDs

>>102958426
does this failure need a contact frame like lga 1700 did?

>>102964033
It's windows that cannot handle scheduling to be within the same ccd. Its fucking retarded. Not the issue with the processor. This shit has been working without issues on the server side.