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gaming

what's least dogshit way of adding wifi to a pc? i dont really have a spare PCIE port because i want to add m2 and at this point i'm considering getting a separate router and connecting by cable or a USB card

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>>103018654
lol

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>>103018671
Etherium

My new case has a USB-C port on the front, but I don't have a 3.2 header on my mobo. Can I get an adaptor or am I out of luck?

>>103018676
PCIe is generally better than USB but if you've used all your lanes then USB will have to do. If your board is relatively modern you should check if it has an E-key M.2 slot for WiFi. Sometimes they put one on but leave it empty for segmentation.

>>103018693
I don't think I've done this in years on windows because it's not only retarded but would very frequently not work correctly & instead save webp or other dogshit formats

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windows 11 is FAR superior to linux
that is a controversial yet objective fact
if you disagree then you're an old fat crusty reddit boomer (30+ years of age)

>>103018805
Powerful. Thank you Ramesh.

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>>103018805
Winners don't have to choose anon. They just have 2 separate drives for each.
>>103018858
Funny enough, India has a lot of Linux users anon.

>>103018740
Just ran into that on a B550m build. My fault for assuming things. I got a little card on Amazon for $20 with a USB-C header and drivers. Works fine.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GKLN7RT

Rumor amd making Dual-Chiplet
hope you guys not buying this stutter mess

what nvidia gpu brand is the best nowadays? i've only owned EVGA.

>>103018979
PNY

>>103018979
none all dogshit

>>103018979
gibabyte

>>103018997
>>103019022
>>103019031
>A
>B
>none
not looking good

>>103018949
Thanks anon.

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Day 572 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>103019092
That's about the long and short of it. Model > brand.

>>103018748
ok thanks dumbass i know that much

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Anyone using a b650m aorus alite ax? Thinking about getting one but people keep crying about massive coil whining. Most posts are more than a year old though and there are revision 3 models already, so maybe they fixed it. But as usual there are no infos on Gigabytes site whatsoever what exactly changed between revisions because fuck being transparent to customers. It seems to be the best mATX AM5 board by far though, so I might try my luck.

My civ tai account got banned and all my cloud saved loras got deleted. is the 20gb card with zluda good?

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>>103018979
Nvidia
AIBs are rent seeking scum imo

>>103018805
t. smooth brained faggot
enjoy your shitty botnet os.

>>103019479
Yeah, as opposed to nyidia.

I'm a hybridfag (games+productivity) who can't afford the top of the line. Is the upcoming 9900X3D the way to go? Also any cheaper alternatives?

>>103019620
It looks like it's good for both, but wait until release until some good testing is done. And either way, it's a top of the like processor so maybe an alternative? The 12900K doesn't have the 13th and 14th gen issues and can be pretty affordable. And overclockable.

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Bros I got a good deal on a 7700XT gigabyte gayming oc. Is 25+ degrees of gpu and hotspot temp difference normal? My last ayymd gpu was an R7 250X. Picrel is with two fans right under the gpu, -25mv and -5% power limit. Apart from the CPU, those two fans are the only ones I have right now but the case is an asus ap201 which is just mesh all around, temps are the same without the side panel
Could it have something to with the case fans messing up the gpu's middle fan(runs counter clockwise)? Do 7xxx cards just have high hotspots? Did I get memed on by gigabyte? Should I just wait for my fans to arrive?

>>103019421
Coil whine is a fucking nightmare to pin down. Loads of different potential causes and factors - down to stuff like humidity and wall power noise. From what I've seen, GB do seem to be the worst for it on AM5 but, again, it's hard to judge that from user reviews.

>>103018655
Intel 8080 was 6 μm, or 6000 nm (launched in 1974)
It's quite amazing to compare it to today's 4 nm CPUs

I'm reasonably close to the houston microcenter but downtown traffic is ass.

>>103019800
Oh to have such troubles. My closest is on the other side of the state.

>>103018979
Anything with 3 fans and that fits in your case

>>103018979
Asus is overpriced
Msi has cancerous as fuck msi center
Gigashyte lol
Every brand is dogshit

>>103019800
Oh no, not traffic
I'm a 9h flight away

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intelsisters...
we're saved!

are liquid coolers worth it over air coolers? are they just for aesthetics or not?

>>103019953
Sure, for 500w gpus

>>103019479
The very best boards are assembled by AIBs.
NVIDIA FE cards are a slight tier above reference designs, they're good value at MSRP.

>>103019953
just aesthetics

>>103019953
If you're running any kind of overclocking or have any situation where heat is a problem, an AIO is the easiest solution. But it's expensive. Use only when NEEDED.

>>103019800
Go at a time when there's no traffic, dummy.

>>103019939
lol. he disabled all but one P core and overclocked the E cores to 5gz. What a clusterfuck

>>103020095
The store isn't open at 3am.

>>103018655
You can add the 9800X3D to the recommendation for gaymin, it's only a week away and it will repace the 7800X3D.

>>103020153
Sure. Before it's even tested. Good idea.

>>103018676
I just bought a fatherboard that bears "Wifi" in it's name. Problem solved.

>>103020153
Repeated that with a 'nigger' in your post to prove you're not a bot/shill

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>>103018659
Yeah the photo I posted was a generic one. The lian li cable looks like this

>>103019738
Delta for 7000 series is pretty high, yeah, and that card model is also dogshit. For better temps/oc you might want to try more aggressive undervolting since -25mv is almost nothing, raise the power limit to +15% and then fps limit your games. Another method would also be to limit core clock speeds; this is more important if you want your card to pull less current and generate less heat, the power limiter doesnt do this.
After trying these methods and hotspot is still high you can put some phase change material on the core like ptm7950 or pcm1.

>>103018914
> they just have 2 separate drives for each.
I have dedicated servers for my Debian since "Potato". Most anons here were not even born, heck, not even conceived back then.

>>103018979
Gayward

>>103019800
Just send someone of your personnel, your gardener or your cleaning lady.

>>103019760
> Coil whine is a fucking nightmare to pin down
Cracking noises from carbon bike frames are worse, believe me. At least you know it's the coils that whine. I have no fucking idea what cracks under my (lean & tight) ass.

when is GTA VI coming out again (not that I intend to play it)?
do you think it's big enough to single-handedly drive up hardware prices?

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>>103020332

>>103020332
>carbon
>not steel
tranny

>M-MUH ULTRALIGHT

>>103020292
I would never trust an illegal with my computer hardware.

>>103020332
post pics of said ass

>>103018979
Avoid all Zotac, all Inno3D, Asus "TUF", Gigbyte "Windforce", MSI "Ventus", any "OC" scam, twin fan designs.

>>103020398
Nope, I don't want to get banned for "hot" pics in /g/.

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I just bought a RX6400 for my SFF optiplex media center
the lengths ill go to for 4k@60 menus

>>103020415
Isn't the TUF supposed to be between the Dual and the ROG?

>>103020381
Okay, that's a valid point. I had to tell my cleaning lady not to clean my desk after she messed with the speaker cables and I began to fear for My Precious.

>>103020466
I don't know what it's supposed to be, probably the cheaper of two overpriced ASSUS gpu lines but I well remember the coil whine issues with the "TUF" models of the 4090 that ppl complained about.

>>103020172
?

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Guess what guys, Pat is a fucking retard
https://archive.is/VnQUu

>>103020560
TLDR?

>>103020560
Intel was already way behind before Pat was appointed, they had no chance of taking advantage of the AI boom.

Im a completely autistic and can't understand pc parts specs. I just want a pc that can play stuff like Warhammer 3, Witcher, helldivers, and the new Monster hunter and gta coming out next year on max graphics and a good framerate without unecessarily overspending. It would be really cool to be able to play star citizen, but i feel like that'd be dumb because it's not, and may not, ever be finished so that's not a requirement.

I tried to make a build on pc part picker but I didn't know if what I picked out would've been overkill. It was like 3k+ I do want to get a Samsung 49" curved monitor, so is there any recommendation for something that will look good on that? I'm in the US, and want to ideally keep it below 3k, but if my performance requirements put me over i don't mind, I just dont know what im looking at desu.

>>103020573
The big takeaways:
TSMC was giving Intel 40% discounts on wafers. Pat then shit talked TSMC and Taiwan making TSMC no longer give them discounts.
18A may be delayed until 2026.

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>>103020677
Wasn't Intel sampling Panther Lake on 18A earlier this year?

>>103020523
The ASRock Phantom Gay Man X870E NOVA WIFI

>>103020673
If you were autistic you would understand specs better than if not..

>>103020336
>>103020673
>and gta coming out next year
>on pc
not happening
>max graphics and a good framerate without unecessarily overspending
not happening

>>103020466
TUF is just poor mans ROG with no rgayb and worse heatsink/fan

>>103020673
>newest monster hunter
LMAOOO good luck with anything except 7800x3d 4090

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>>103020240
I started messing with Adrenalin, -90Mv, -200mhz, +10% power limit and just barely increased the fan curve. Closed it faster than the other test since the fans sounded like they were going to take off despite the tiny adjustment. And it takes like 2 picoseconds for it to cool down to 35-40 degrees and shut the fans off
The hotspot hovers around 65ish degrees while playing uncapped vidya right now and I don't plan on doing shit like 4k video rendering or StableDiffusion so it's not a complete dealbreaker and I could repaste it when the warranty runs out, but, there HAS to be something fucked here right?
man, I wish the little pc shop next to my place hadn't closed down, I'm too dumb for this

>>103020466
TUF gained popularity because it had good build quality starting with the RTX 30 series.
The TUF PCB is used to assemble ASUS x Noctua cards.
Their RTX 40 series cards are fine in terms of build quality, but some had crappy thermal paste applied by the factory.

>>103020718
so youre just esl nvm

>>103019776
Intel 285k vs Intel 286

>>103020823
76c/65c hotspot is fine and normal, although 27c delta is pretty bad. You can probably undervolt even more if you want better performance and lower temps, but you are gonna have to find your cards limits on your own. You could also search for a 7700xt undervolting tutorial and see others setup.
>but, there HAS to be something fucked here right?
could be shitty paste, but gigabyte coolers are dogshit for amd cards in general.
>I'm too dumb for this
Stop being dumb, this shit isn't hard to figure out.

>top tier NVMe: $120 1TB , $250 2TB
>mid tier NVMe: $100 2TB , $220 4TB
Any reason I should avoid combining good 1TB system/user and meh 2TB games/media/backup drives?

>>103018671
was that supposed to look like asuka cosplay shinji cosplay?

>>103020415
So all of them?

>>103020967
can't you clean install windows now a days without wiping the entire drives content? I have not even checked
filling up m.2 slots is gay, gotta go big as you can always

Am I an idiot for getting an intel CPU in
>2012+12

>5700X3D and 5800X3D have the same TDP
I always thought the 5700X3D was 65w, so should I just get the 5800X3D?

>>103020673
Establish what you want to do first. 1440p, you can make a smart build in the $1600-$1800 range and max things out. 1080p, a lot less.

>>103021122
depends, are you going to do AI workloads on a laptop?

>>103021153
5800x3d is sold out everywhere I looked. At least at a sane price. I was gonna get one. I went with the 5700x3d instead.

>>103021167
My local retailer still has some, and the price difference over the 5700X3D is only 20bucks...I was going to buy thge 5700X3D because like I said I thougt it had lower TDP but if they have the same TDP might as well buy the higher binned silicon.

>>103021184
Reasonable. Do it.

What's the difference between ASRock PG27QFT1A and PG27QFT1B monitors? O e is €199, the other €159. any of them worth it?

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It's over

>>103020945
>76c/65c hotspot is fine and normal
that was after 45 secs compared to 3 mins on >>103019738, stopped early because the fans spooked me, still, an improvement
>Stop being dumb
t-thanks
I'll test it out for another day or two and probably rma it some months before the warranty, which is 3 years long suprisingly, ends

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tfw bought pic rel instead of doing my research

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>>103021184
>the price difference is only 20bucks
I sure hope that implies $200 5800X3D, not $400 5700X3D

>>103021230
Just play some games, the parts aren't bad.
How much did the board cost you?

>>103021230
What the fuck is that storage setup? Did the seller throw in all the random trash he did not need anymore?

>>103018655
9800X3D + 15% discounted 4070ti super or w a i t for the 50 series? My fear is that the 50 series will be exclusively more expensive and that the news about nvidia discontinuing the older cards will make them go up in price too.

>>103021378
Why not wait until they're released and independently tested before you decide?

>>103021394
From the meme benchmarks being released the 9800X3D will be in between the 14700k and 14900k/285k in terms of productivity which is good for me, and it will also be the best CPU for games when it releases (I plan to snatch one asap before it gets out of stock and scalped).

I wanted to get a 4080 for 1440p 120fps but a 4070ti super is a close second, and at the second hand "new" price I found it it's probably one of the best deals I'll find for the card.

Please decide for myself I have no conviction and I have my hand on the trigger idk what to do aaaaaaa.

>>103020830
not the same anon but is it wise to repad and paste my GPU once I get it back from getting RMA'd? I almost regret not spending the extra money to get the ROG 4070ti super, cause I really liked the white TUF card

>>103019939
jayz2cent in the same video teased they benchmarked 9800x3d and every other cpu looks small in comparison

>>103021438
I think all you need to do is look at the Intel Ultra Core Mega 200 series CPU release and how utterly disappointed people were. Wait until it hits the streets. The 9800x3d will probably be good. Probably.

is rtx3060 not having dlss a big deal? Can grab it for 250€ and seems like a good deal for a 12gb card

>>103021453
Everyone with a brain cell knows that the 9800x3d will win in overall gaming anon

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20 months worth of dust. lian li lancool ii case.

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I cleaned everything and removed the 2 useless fans below the GPU. No after pictures sorry.

>>103021479
...aaaand, THIS is why you design in positive pressure

when can i expect rtx 5000 lenovo laptops ?

>>103021492
>>103021479
bro an get a air compressor or something itll save your shit

>>103021274
Mine's similar, I carried over 2x 500GB HDDs from the previous build(s).
I have a 8TB platter waiting to be used when the drives need to be replaced.

PSU fan side up or down?

>>103021479
Bro your dust filters?

>>103021452
I'd repad/repaste only if there are thermal issues, the RMA center usually does the job for you if they opened the card.

>>103021520
this case just has holes on the front panel. no real filters except for the top exhaust and the psu intake on the bottom.

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>>103021160
>1440p, you can make a smart build in the $1600-$1800 range
>1080p, a lot less
My opinion is that 1440p is the optimal price/performance/image quality option at the moment. 1080p DLSS isn't horrible a lot of the time, and it'll only get better in the future, but generally starting from a higher base resolution produces better image quality (as you could have guessed). A good input resolution for DLSS is 1080p, which can be reconstructed to 1440p or even 4K. Dropping to 720p (like DLSS Quality when targeting 1080p) begins to compromise image quality. Really, you're either trying to run full resolution 1080p or you're taking that and using it for faux resolution, the latter of which will look better. From that perspective, 1080p and 1440p builds cost about the same, unless you're prepared to use DLSS for 1080p.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WtfWYN
That's about $1450 for a decent 1440p build.

I want to reiterate: turning whatever resolution you can internally render into a higher apparent resolution with DLSS is always the way to go.

>>103021537
You can go a bit cheaper on the motherboard and get a better CPU. Also, although the price is decent, you do not need an 850w PSU

>>103021492
get an air purifier.

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>want to go 9950x3d because it's the better cpu
>but I need 128gb ram at least
would consider a 285k if os/bios/microcode updates can pull off miracles and have it stop being insanely shit in some cases.

If that happens between now and 9950x3d release I think I'll go intel because CUDIMM and just overall better 4 DIMM support than ayyymd. My friend tried to get 192gb to work on his 7950x and it wouldn't even at 3600mt. I'm not looking forward to trying to jank 4 dimms into working with zen 5 when I know it will Just Werk on intel... ugh...

Why does amd have to have better cpus but worse memory support? Also I still can't decide on a case.

>>103021533
Why the nigger would you put a filter on an exhaust

yea goy intel is better you just gotta delid the cpu, buy custom paste from China, buy a custom AIO, 3d print air vents and pipes, go into the bios and disable cores, install Intel APO and you will get 10 more FPS in FF14.

>>103021553
my case is my air purifier

>>103021474
for sure, but the question is, will it br zen5%3D?
or they'll pull some black magic

>>103021611
I mean it somewhat makes sense as a spot to trap the dust rather than knocking it around your room again?

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>>103021473
It has DLSS Super Resolution. It doesn't have DLSS Frame Generation. Keep in mind that VRAM != performance. Most games that will actually need 12 GB VRAM will also require the 3060 to use a VERY low input resolution.

>>103021378
The RTX 50 series will be a better value than the RTX 40 series, without question. The question is: how much better value, and is it worth waiting months for a graphics card to save $50? (Or whatever, as there's no known exact savings, obviously.) Likely the 5080 will have approximately 4090 performance; that's the one price class that I'd recommend wait for, but maybe the 5070 is worth waiting for as well, considering it'll be included with first round of RTX 50 launches.

>>103021552
>cheaper on the motherboard and get a better CPU
I don't think skimping on mobo will get you a much better CPU, as (for gaming) the next upgrade over the 7600 is the 7800X3D, which is hundreds of dollars more expensive.

>although the price is decent, you do not need an 850w PSU
Regarding wattage, that's true, especially with a 4070 Super, which basically sips power. The counterpoint is that a PSU is one of the longest lasting components for a system (maybe behind monitor, if you want count that), so no reason to skimp. I'd want full modular, at least. Full modular can accept ATX revisions, such as 3.0 to 3.1.

I'm doing a modern 4090 build for my brother. Obviously the 4090 and 7800x3D are the expensive parts (along with the curved monitor). First time making a 4090 pc so I'm just making sure I have everything together correctly or if I there are any expenses I can lower.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nnRd89

>>103021654
Zen 5 has a lot to gain from 3d cache. There will be larger performance gain from zen 5 to zen 5 3d than there was from zen 4 to zen 4 3d or zen 3 to zen 3 3d

Source? I made it the fuck up. Just seems logical considering zen 5 cores are more starved than its predecessors.

>>103021230
>That mobo
Why?

>>103021453
How long until amd does 5800x3d v2 with 3d cache below and 7800x3d v2 with 3d cache below?

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>>103021438
>From the meme benchmarks being released the 9800X3D will be in between the 14700k and 14900k/285k in terms of productivity
For full multicore, no. For single core, lower. X3D chips are for gaming

>>103021167
5700X3D is the better option anyway

>>103020673
>Im a completely autistic and can't understand pc parts specs.
Internally inconsistent

>>103020444
>radeon

>>103019620
The RX 9000 series has very specific productivity gains over RX 7000. You need to make sure that your workloads can benefit.

>>103021597
why do you need 128gb?
but in any case X3D is less memory sensitive so you could probably get away with 4 dimms on the 9950X3D

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>>103021737
3d cache isn't just for games

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>>103021754
To run over 30 eve online accounts at once.
Yes I am mentally ill.

>>103021679
There's the 7700 and 7700X. Nice little boost in performance.

>>103021597
>considering two doa chips

>>103021684
>buying 4090 at EOL
>buying 7800x3d extreme EOL
ngmi

>>103021706
whats wrong with it

>>103021781
How is the 9950x3d doa, they resolved the issues of the 7950x3d

>>103021684
more addons
>Buying 32gb ram in on a 4k build
>Buying first gen qdoled at this point
also ngmi

just take a break for 2 months and think about tech until you build

>>103021230
>tfw you forget to enable XMP

>>103021770
cute femcel Makima
>Yes I am mentally ill.
this is 4chan after all.

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>>103021830
>Makima

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>>103021845
indeed.

>>103021679
ty for clarifying that, I didn't know there are different dlss. As for vram is it also more of a gimmick for the 6700xt and other cheap 12+ gb cards? I don't really understand the nuances and the fps comparisons aren't very informative. All I hear is that buying 8gb in 2024 is a no-go bc future releases will be more packed than that

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Still wanna know what's wrong with the 9950x3d

>>103021910
nothing. will probably be expensive

>>103021910
nothing, it's not release for almost three months

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>>103021914
I have money
>>103021919
I have time

Not in a rush to make a new pc with only EOL gpus available anyway

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>>103021756
I'm sure there are some specific productivity benefits, but on average the cache doesn't hit as hard as it does in gaming, where the 7800X3D tops the charts.

>>103021632
Don't forget the $300 9000mjz cudimms

When do you fuckers actually purchase something. Everytime I ask should I get a part you guys keep recommending to buy one next year. Then when next year comes you just say to wait some more and repeat.

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>>103021902
>As for vram is it also more of a gimmick for the 6700xt and other cheap 12+ gb cards?
Generally yes, although I would look at the performance first and the VRAM afterwards. For example, the 3060 Ti would be compared to the 6700 XT as they're similar "performance" on average, excluding DLSS or RT.

>I don't really understand the nuances and the fps comparisons aren't very informative. All I hear is that buying 8gb in 2024 is a no-go bc future releases will be more packed than that
Ideally, more VRAM is better, but that's after considering absolute performance and the state of current upsampling methods, if you're trying to buy a card. For example, the 4060 8 GB often performs better in new games than the 3060 12 GB. The 3060 12 GB in my opinion is more foolproof, while the 4060 8 GB can be used to great effect, as it has DLSS Frame Generation and higher performance on average, if the VRAM is managed appropriately.

>>103021679
>Likely the 5080 will have approximately 4090 performance
No, AMD already let nvidia know they weren't even gonna try to compete and Intel is not competing no matter what they drop. The 5080 will be a 4080+10% and it'll be $1000 minimum, once again the only good card with a good generational uplift will be the 90 class card. Maybe once rdna5 and celestial start competing well finally get good 70 and 80 class GPUs once again.

>>103022024
Depends, CPU when something with a decent uplift (+15%) drops at a good price ($300 or less). For GPUs I don't buy anything over $500 as a personal rule, so I usually wait 2+ gens to upgrade to something with a worthwhile performance uplift and I usually wait for discounts.

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>>103022030
ty anon, this helps

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>>103021774
Generally speaking the 7700/X is barely better than the 7600 for gaming specifically. Much better to throw your money into a graphics card than a CPU for general gaming. The exception might be for multiplayer games, where CPU can matter more than graphics card.

>>103022035
>The 5080 will be a 4080+10% and it'll be $1000 minimum
Nvidia is competing with itself. Why do you think it dropped the price on the 4080 with the 4080 Super, essentially re-releasing of the card? Nvidia 'gave' you almost a 20% savings on original card a year into the generation. It does that kind of thing to stimulate consumption. The 5080 will be no different, a consumption stimulating event.

>rdna5 and celestial
I understand your pessimism, but I also think that Nvidia isn't only competing against AMD and Intel: it's competing against you, the consumer, and trying to extract as much profit as it can, which means releasing incentives. That's the reason it released the Super refreshes, etc and that's the reason it will release the RTX 50 series: for profit to sell cards

>>103022024
they minmax in threads and their heads because they are poor

>until /g/uts threads return, I will never believe people on g have nice builds

>>103022024
Last time I built a pc was when my previous pc died irrepairably. Only done some minor upgrades since.

>>103020111
how the fuck does that work lmao
nice trips faggot

>>103022165
P cores are unironically shit, meanwhile estrogen cores actually managed to transition to decent big boy core levels. Shame it was the e-core team that was dissolved in favor of the p-core team and not vice versa.

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>>103022024
>When do you fuckers actually purchase something.
Generally speaking, on launch of an appropriately valued product if said product is actually available for MSRP. That way you have the longest possible use of that thing until the next better (or worst case, equivalent) generation comes out. An exception to that trend might be Radeon (not that I would buy Radeon), as its cards generally get price breaks soon (on the scale of months) after launch. Something like OLED monitors will hold their MSRP for quite a while (once they hit MSRP), so it's not worth waiting as you won't get a better deal until the next generation or by waiting years if no new generation is released. Same with Nvidia Geforce graphisc cards.

I've noticed LG TV OLED products can sometimes get substantial price drops about 8 or 9 months after launch, so when OLED monitors are more mainstream, you can probably expect the same. Eventually, you'll see the pricing schemes you see in current LCDs: some are actually priced appropriately (see: Dell G2724D), and those will hold their MSRP. It's been out for a long time as the 'best value' 1440p monitor: there would have been no point in waiting for a further price drop

>>103022117
Minmaxing is fun in and of itself

>>103022265
nah not to me

>>103020111
no he didnt. he was shilling cudimms

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bros is this a good deal, its A die so it should be good right

>>103022303
You need to watch more than one video from Jay.

>>103022194
aren't e-cores bigger than AMD cores?
I know p cores are like twice the size.

opting for 4060ti + ryzen 5600x and 32gb ddr4. Does this work or would I need a better cpu? And is 550w seasonic g12 gc enough?

>>103022303
tfw cudimms of the same speed costs less than my current udimms
>should've wait (tm) 'd

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i'm looking to buy an Asrock X870 Steel Legend, but it uses the ALC-4082 audio codec which uses USB. the cheaper model, Asrock X870 Pro RS, uses the ALC-1200 which is direct input.

has anyone had experience with the ALC-4082? i've heard it can cause crackling and basically forces you to buy a separate audio solution, but depends on how the manufacturer implements it. seems like it's mostly just luck of the draw which sucks

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>>103022297
So you're saying you're poor and that's the reason you come to /pcbg/, a min-maxing thread, because you financially need to min-max, because, you know, you're poor

>>103022334
If you already have a PSU, just use the one you have for a build of the tier you're suggesting. You probably don't need anything more until you hit about an RTX 4070 Ti Super. The pairings are otherwise fine but unless you have a B550 or better, you won't have PCIe 4.0, and the 4060 Ti definitely relies on PCIe bandwidth to maintain its performance, because it's an x8 lane card as opposed to the x16 lanes of most cards (and sadly no more low mid cards). I'd almost punt with an RTX 4060 non-Ti, although if the 4060 Ti is cheap enough I can see it as an option

The new x3d won't beat the 7800x3d by much, will it?

>>103022421
The correct way to advise is:

1. what games?
2. what resolution / settings?

If it's a 1080p gamer, are they really serious about esports, and in AAA titles?

>>103022421
min maxing is what poor people do. .. I'm saying I don't do that and I don't find it fun

>I max max

Has anyone ever had something get damaged from amazon shipping? The first case I ever bought got fucked by Fedex.

>>103022421
Should I buy Terraformers?

>>103022439
You can't max max. gaming isn't like that. More is less sometimes with gaming.

>>103022483
nah
>5090
>cudimms
>cuck ultra 7 265k

yep, its gamin time

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What the fuck is going on in this game? It's like the opposite of Arc: Instead of Intel needing to accommodate games with its drivers, games/OS needs to accommodate Intel. Just to be clear: I don't mind new strategies coming to bear that require either software or hardware to catch up, but both should be in sync before launch

>>103022422
The 9800X3D will not beat the 7800X3D by much, although I still secretly hope for some magical interaction between the supposed new cores and the cache

>>103022439
I get it, you don't min-max, in a thread about min-maxxing. It's cool fag, you're so weird

>>103022435
Agreed but that's a lot of work

>>103022473
I enjoyed it, extremely easy game

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>>103022510
>this game?
Meant to post pic related

>>103022510
this is the only pc building thread on /g/ since guts threads are no longer a thing, so I have to make do

>>103022510
>games/OS needs to accommodate Intel
Not happening unless Intel pays them to do so. Game devs are usually hurried to push something out so they have little time to optimize for specific architectures, and considering nvidia is 90% of the market I doubt they'll do anything special for Intel.

>>103022492
>gaming
>265k
good joke

>>103022538
He meant 285k

>>103022422
it has a fair bit more clockspeed which is what the 7800x3d severely lacks so it could come close to 10% faster

>>103022538
i wouldve got a 9800x3d but I could not find an AMD board with the specs I wanted. If they get some better mATX boards with B850e, I might switch. for now tho, I'm going to stay with z890 and hope there are fixes.
>I play GPU bound so the bench marks weren't too big of a deal for me anyway

>>103022572
yeah am5 boards fucking suck
give me a x870e apex asus ffs

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>>103022532
Not directly replying to anything specific within what you said; regardless, I found the comments around the performance improvement of HZD with the R5 3600 between patches to be quite interesting and related to your post
https://youtu.be/-RrGDYXvKBk?si=cglL030a8nLuqhaw&t=4084

>>103022532
Software is a slave to the hard ware. when hardware becomes the slave to the software. its likely due to poor dev work

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>>103022658
>Software is a slave to the hard ware
Yes and no. The point of an ASIC (application specific integrated circuit) is that it accelerates, you guessed: specific software. That's why you can get massive differences between vendors with aspects like tessellation or RT, which are defined by software

>>103022698
gpus are not as general purpose as x86 cpu's, but they are definitely too jack-of-all-trades to be called aisics. They are marketed to gamers but can do a lot more.

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>GN is visiting Wendell
kino incoming.

>>103022532
nobody does anything 'special' for nvidia anyway. As long as Samir is able to get the game running 30 fps at 720p with frame gen and upscaling he considers his job done. When you get "cool" nvidia optimizations and features it's because nvidia spends enormous amounts of money astroturfing, assigning their own dev teams to individual game developers to help them implement shit. It's actually insane how much nvidia spends on this but it's one of the reasons they are the industry leaders in spite of always losing the bid for having their hardware in consoles.

>>103022313
Cl36 is a little Sus but since it's Kingston it's probably hynix

>>103022721
>they are definitely too jack-of-all-trades to be called aisics
The GPU can be broken down into different regions. There's definitely a hardware region dedicated to RT
https://youtu.be/h9Z4oGN89MU?si=IPPNyZhanuPrJ5i4&t=334

Bitcoin ASICs are much faster than GPUs (in a program that the GPU isn't an ASIC for), as you'd expect. But the RT cores in a Geforce GPU for instance are an ASIC for DXR (the RT component of DX12 Ultimate)

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>>103022721
>>103022794 (me)
>They are marketed to gamers but can do a lot more
I want to add that the RT cores can accelerate the operations need for RT generally speaking, not only for DXR. Another example would be RT in Blender or other modelling programs

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>>103022794
It takes up less and less die space every gen since it's just there to speed up calculations that Cuda cores are less good at though.

And sure, but if your criteria for an asic is so broad that would make intel 7th gen cpus asics just because they had a netflix proprietary drm 4k decoder. I'd look at the intent of the whole product before making that classification

>>103022816
To be clear, I never called a GPU an ASIC (although it basically is one, for a certain type of vector operation, multiply add). I said that Nvidia's chips contain ASICs. Another type (besides RT) of ASIC present on Nvdia chips is the tensor core, used for matrix multiplication, I believe the dot product but that could be wrong, as I'm not exceptionally well versed in the subject.

>>103022658
Unfortunately poor dev work is all we have nowadays

I wonder how much of GN's brand success is aesthetics. I think Steve meticulously maintains his unkempt gamer look to appeal to his target audience and make them all go "wow he's literally me so he knows what i want in a product." I could imagine him making sure he doesn't take too much wild hair growth off his cheeks during his shaving, and making sure the neckbeard is only shortened not cut off, also frazzling his hair on purpose in the morning or maybe even using a harsh conditioner routine that makes it happen.

>>103022998
I genuinely think he thinks its metal which is why he does it. Honestly I think its disgusting and must be uncomfortable constantly brushing it away from his greasy face.

I am glad we have him though, even if he isnt 100% he is honest and autistic enough to make reliable news. I watch every week.

What goes best with a 4070 ti super? i5 13600K or a R7 7800X3D?

>>103023035
7800X3D so you can be on AM5, that reason alone is enough.

I run a 5800X3D with 4070 ti super and its awesome.

>>103023035
7700X

>>103022521
>RTX 4090
>1080p medium preset
lmaooo

you really gonna do that? On a 4090 no less?

How fucked is the 9800X3D release gonna be? Is it gonna be scalped to shit and not be available for weeks without poopsocking restock alarms? Maybe driving to microcenter will be more reasonable?

>>103023419
I guess the idea was to make sure the GPU wasn't throttling the system?

>>103023429
if you have a microcenter near you, why would you not go to get it at MSRP?

>>103023097
Nice cpu.

>>103023434
Yes.

GPU-bound is the typical scenario for most people. There's some cpu after which there are no gaming gains. Other apps can benefit.

Another theory is that maybe it can predict how future-proof your cpu is. But this is vs a 4090, if you are getting a 5090, you probably can just build a new computer every release.

will a 3070 and 13600k on a 500w psu make my pc explode

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I will never get scammed into buying gigabyte monitors ever again
This shit didnt even last 3 years
FUCK GIGABYTE FUCK YOU

Any good 4k monitor thats 27 inch?

>>103023517
is that a M27Q?

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>RDNA 4 early 2025
It's so over for AMD, dammit. If Nvidia makes their app do everything radeon settings do I'd be forced to switch by the time RDNA5 comes out.

>>103023035
13600k is a better all rounder cpu while 7800x3d is the fastest bar none for gaymen

>>103023446
Not near me. I don't mind waiting a few weeks for cpu but I haven't shopped for computer parts in a while so I don't know how bad it is to get newly released cpu

>>103023525
G24F 2 1080p my second monitor.
My main monitor is an Asus VG27A 1440p, older than the former now. I'm thinking of making this my secondary while I buy a 4k monitor that's the same size since a 32 inch would probably be too large for my space

>>103023547
>implying 7800X3d 8 zen4 cores with SMT are worse

>>103023556
the fact is that the first week will probably see some people try scalping but you're worrying too much because it will be available widely.

>>103023517
If it's under three years old, you should be able to get a new one for free
https://www.gigabyte.com/Support/Consumer/Warranty/Monitor

>>103023556
man, we even get them in russia with 2 week delay, you worry too much

>>103023561
a raptorcove core is faster than a clock-gimped zen4 in everything but avx512

>>103023573
I've had experiences with gigabyte support before and its not great. I don't know if I should even go with the hassle

>>103023582
and throwing money away is better?

>>103023584
I've already thrown enough with that. I'll probably just look for a better monitor next month black friday.

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Should I make my first ever sff pc? I like the dan a4-h20 looks like it would accommodate everything I want. Kinda tired of towers.

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AMDead

>>103023676
>DDR5 5600
>DDR5 5200
come on changs, not even intcel benchmark is this shameless

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>>103023676
Very informative, I now know not to buy this game because it runs like shit on literally everything.

>>103023707
based Tomoko

Whats the tldr for CPU and GPU market right now?
Looking to retire my 4 years old 2070S rig

>>103023726
Latest generations
Intel gpu - dead
Radeon - eol and good value
Nvidia - eol and overpriced but fastest

Intel cpus - piece of dog shit on fire
Ryzen - Underwhelming, last gen x3d better. New gen x3d literally two weeks away. Wait.

>>103023726
TLDR if you're on AM4, upgrade to a 5700X3D and you'd be silly to upgrade your GPU right now because the new gen is in January.

>>103023697
Blame amd for speccing their processors for 5200

>>103023761
Amd is awful at memory support. Intel's new generation is a trash can except for memory. Easily handle 4 sticks faster than amd and CUDIMM support. Too bad everything else about it is ass unless all you so is sit around slapping your cock against your obese belly like how stallions masturbate while watching cinebench runs on loop.

>>103023743
>>103023758
Right.
Thanks.
Finding the right time to get a pc is always weird because there's never a decisive moment on the market. There's always some kind of fuckery going on so might as well just do it now. God knows if the next gen GPU is going to be good or not. Maybe it's not worth the wait.

>>103023829
It's that or buy a 2 yr old card
>definitive time to buy
IIRC this is the gen right after a major console release. Since you will end up with hardware at least superior to consoles which means you will be relevant for at least 8 years.

>>103023829
unless your GPU is dying its best to wait to upgrade it.

>>103023839
The current gen consoles were already using older hardware, if anything now they upgraded to last gen, not to mention they all use AMD and last gen NVIDIA has mostly better performance than them.

I myself will get a discounted 4070ti super because I expect the new gen to be more expensive, and it's enough for most of what I play and do.

>>103023676
The simcity formula was smarter and much more performant than this, god I miss will wright maxis.

>>103021770
did anyone fork or take over the evemon project?

>>103023903
to be fair the first Cities Skylines was great and was a return to classic Will Wright style city builder after EA fucked the Simcity brand with their abomination... yet I still don't know how they managed to bloat Cities 2 so much.

>>103018805
why is it that you can smell curry through the walls? or is that your BO?

>>103018671
Gross

I’d like to make a build for indie/old games and web browsing, should I get a 5600GT? Is there anything from Intel I should consider?

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>Buy 700w PSU
>Get Smartbitt 1000VA UPS/Backup while I'm at it, outages are common where I live
>Once it arrives I check the box, 500w (Why?)
>Online power calculators say my setup needs 400-500w, not factoring in RGB garbage, the TV I'm using as a monitor etc
>UPS only beeped when I first turned it on and seems to work properly otherwise
Am I fucked? Should I unplug it just to test if the backup works?

>>103024234
Can't you get 5600x for the same price? I dunno

>>103023707
Cute Tomoko

>>103024237
did it occur to you that it's not drawing 400+ watts after boot so you have no idea what will happen under load

Is $460 for a 5600x and 3060 good value? Will it last a decade?
Also my new PC sometimes smells like hot plastic, is that normal?

>>103024262
What should I do then?

>>103024326
Run a stress test retard. The PC will barely use any power in idle.
Or just tell me your specs I will tell you ahead of time if it'll be sufficient.

AMD got bogged

>>103024318
>Is $460 for a 5600x and 3060 good value?
yeah if you have motherboard + ram included
>Will it last a decade?
probably 5/6 years
>Also my new PC sometimes smells like hot plastic
check the PC for any plastic still attached as that isn't normal

>>103024344
i5-12400F, RTX 3060, MicroATX, 1TB M2 SSD, 1TB 7200RPM HDD, 2x16GB RAM, 3-fan midi tower, deepcool AG400 and a TV as a monitor

>>103024379
I unplugged it, checked inside with a flashlight and couldn't tell anything burnt or bubbly
Could it be the port plugs on the gpu? Or the plastic cover for the glass (a friend told me not to take it off)? Or maybe it's just the "new" smell being blow off and I mistake it for burnt plastic?

>>103024461
>Could it be the port plugs on the gpu
are they inserted correctly?
> the plastic cover for the glass (a friend told me not to take it off
highly unlikely because lots of hot air would have to reach your glass panel first
>Or maybe it's just the "new" smell being blow off and I mistake it for burnt plastic?
potentially
check your cooler and stuff for any plastic on there. you did take the plastic off the CPU cooler before installing right?

The head of Intel blamed Biden's team for the company's problems and called the situation critical
According to Pat Gelsinger, the authorities did not give Intel a penny, although they promised to allocate tens of billions of dollars

>>103024466
>are they inserted correctly
Oops, I meant the DP/HDMI plugs
>you did take the plastic off the CPU cooler before installing right?
I didn't assemble it, they most likely did though

>>103024532
>most likely
gotta check. assuming it's fresh paste you can take it off and then just put the cooler back on (assuming it doesn't have the plastic)

>>103024517
I feel really bad for Pat, he's dealing with 10 years of Intel Incompetence Inside® and he is absolutely doing his best. That being said you can't blame the government for you producing shit after shit silicon. at least foundry looks like it might be making a comeback with everyone apart from TSMC floundering

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>>103018655
fuckin ayyymd strikes again. First of all I can't get more than 60fps in warthunder despite trying every setting under the sun. The only thing that works is pressing alt+f11 which enables some kind of profiler and unlocks fps. And endless fucking driver timeouts on warthunder.

Is it too much to ask that I want to alt-tab and fucking change song or something?

>>103024638
>nvidia sponsored title

>>103024517
Based Biden, if Intel wants our money then they better deliver first. They promised us US leading edge fabs and all I hear in the news is them delaying the Ohio fab and firing a bunch of people.

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>>103024638
You problem, honestly
I didn't have any fps issues, crashes or glitches on amd+amd

>>103024416
Should be fine. Why not fire up a game or run a cinebench loop then while it's running plug from the wall or shut off the circuit breaker for the room it's in to simulate a power failure? If it's working properly it should immediately switch over to battery power and not miss a beat. It's the only real way to know for sure.

>>103024638
when in doubt DDU, though I even seen people here who failed to DDU properly

>>103024638
Use Vulkan or DXVK. DX11 is drawcall limited. Devs suck at implementing DX12 in their games.

>>103024741
>and firing a bunch of people.
This is the real bad part. Not only does it leave a bad taste in everyone mouth to send public money to a corporation that is in the midst of huge culling of it's own workers, but in Intel's case it's not just marketing people but engineers and mid-level operations staff which isn't good for their long term fortunes. They already cancelled Meteor Lake on the Desktop and the Royal Core/Beast Lake and rumors are Celestial is on the chopping block too if Battlemage underperforms.

Is there going to be some sort of media event and/or official announcement before 9800X3D hits the shelves?

>>103024925
the announcement is at the same time as the review embargo on 6 nov

>>103024517
kek fuck biden and fuck intel
good thing i dont own anything newer than the 10900k since they went to shit after that

>>103021984
The argument is of course that the newest X3D chips will now be viable as all rounders which is actually a lot of nerds out there.

>>103024934
How long do you reckon it will remain in stock.

>>103024964
it'll probably be unavailable for the first 3 months or even longer since errorlake shat the bed

>>103024964
it's going to be released the next day, I would try to pre-order if I was you

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What's windows recall, all western bloggers crying about it, but it doesn't work in my country as well as copilot.

>>103025050
It takes snapshots of your system and you can "go back in time" to it using AI. For example you forgot the name of the game you saw earlier today. You just tell the AI to recall it and it does.

>>103025072
There's something incredibly disconcerting about offloading all mental processes to AI overlords in search of simple pleasures.
All those Sci-Fi works with highly advanced civilizations becoming tribal shitholes a millennia later after their peak seem to have been prophecy.

>>103025097
It currently requires a AI powered CPU like Qualcomm or AMD so its not much use yet. But the plan for the future is to use your CPU/GPU AI cores in parallel with the cloud to deliver a next gen AI expertience for Windows.

>>103025115
*deliver next-gen data collection experience to the NSA

>>103025072
Still didn't understand how it works. Is there's videos?

>>103025173
screenshots taken at intervals

so its basically an OS Snapshot used for recovery but short term?

>zoomers have attention spans so shredded by smartphones they need an AI assistant to remind them what they were doing yesterday
grim

>>103025237
no its screenshots of your desktop taken so they can spy on you

>>103025223
> screenshots taken at intervals
I'm not talking about this, but
>>103025072
> For example you forgot the name of the game you saw earlier today. You just tell the AI to recall it
I just can't believe that windows will show you "game that I saw earlier this day".

Or it just collects screenshots and you have to look manually?

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Worth it to upgrade from 10600k to a discount 14600k and cheap motherboard to use with with my existing 4x bdie kit? With tuned memory and static 1.4V overclock (instead of default 1.55V+ spikes) the CPU shouldn't degrade (theoretically) and with the ram it should give me great latency and better lows than on 5800x3d (don't care about averages). Hardware unboxed shows they are equal on normalfag setup on the new Windows ryzen update. Intel gives 5 year warranty.

>>103025295
It tags the screenshots with a computer vision model.

>>103025322
yeah that would be a good upgrade path to re-use your ram and save some money.

>>103025322
yep
make sure it's not some rejected cpu or something that already failed someone though

> MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 4060 8GB with support for DLSS 3 - AI-Powered Performance
is this a gimmick?

>>103025464
yes

>>103025523
The part is on sale and cheaper than other 4060 manufacturers, is it still fine or should I avoid it completely?

>>103025322
Yes. The 14600K is amazing value.
The pecking order is Zen 4 3D > RPL > Zen 4. Zen 3 3D wasn't even that good if you do manual tuning and Zen 3 has the famous AMDip that Zen 4 doesn't have, V-Cache or not.
Degradation is mostly a meme and oxidation issue was limited to a few batches. The main culprit behind RPL instability is the CPUs boosting too high. I wouldn't even bother going beyond 1.3-1.35V (actual, not VID) depending on the bin due to thermals. If you are concerned about 1% lows your focus should be on pushing ring as high as possible and locking the cores at static frequency. And don't disable E-cores because they no longer gimp ring speed like they did on ADL and RPL schedules things on E-cores before P-core HT not to stall the primary P-core thread. In all my testing E-Cores on was always faster on 13900K in games, the opposite of 12900K.

>>103025322
yes
keep in mind that the raptor lake memory controller clocks worse than the comet lake memory controller
if you're running at 4200+ now don't expect that to work unless you get a golden sample

>>103025546
It's the same exact thing. Retailers just add dumb shit to the name for marketing. Make sure it's actually on a sale not just the 8GB model being cheaper than 16GB.

Why do I get a perfect 16.6 frametime with a global 60fps limiter on Rivatuner, but a fluctuating one when I use vsync?

With vsync on frametime never seems to be static, it jumps from as low as 14ms to as high as 20, but mostly its just very spastic movement between 15 and 17

>>103025599
the 4060 doesn't have a 16GB that's the 4060ti

>>103025548
HT disabled, e-core on is the best setup for ADL and RPL

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>>103025605
Then it's safe to upgrade my friend

I think I will get a docking station to plug my desktop into, and then when I want to use my laptop on my monitors, I will just plug in the laptop to the docking station. I would plug this into my motherboard and then get a thunderbolt 4 docking station from facebook marketplace https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ThunderboltEX-Thunderbolt-bi-Directional-DisplayPort/dp/B08ZS3D6JY

Thoughts?

>>103018693
Another newfag got GNOMEd.

>>103025612
E-Core on is bad for ADL because it gimps your ring speed to 3.x GHz when they access L3. It wasn't fixed until RPL. That was the reason E-Cores got a bad rep, not scheduling.

>>103018693
Nah, he's right. Installing and updating stuff on Linux is great you just input a simple and intuitive command. On Windows you have to fuck around with exes and each program having their own shitty autoupdater.
It's everything else on Linux that sucks ass.

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>>103018655
i want to play calladoody black ops 6 with my friends but i've been using Linux for a while. i scraped together an old PC laying around and it's using a Ryzen 1400 which sure as fuck could not run Warzone. the GPU is a 1660 Super which i've heard and tested to be fine for 1080p 60fps on whatever settings. but i'm looking for an upgrade right now and can get a Ryzen 1700 or a Ryzen 3600 for chump change as i'm poorfag. which is the better option here?

>>103025636
Even in spite of that ADL performs better with e-cores on. And the ring can always be oc'd to 4.2ghz if needed

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>35% Boost

>>103025732
source?

>>103025737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-29FHsce9uk

>>103025743
based, thanks anon

>>103025732
I assume this just tightens timings

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>>103025732
>Bars starting from 170

What's a good site to compare different processors? I hear userbenchmark has a bizarre bias against AMD for some reason?

>>103025818
it depends, i'd use trusted review sites desu so like GamersNexus and Techpowerup

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I've seen a lot of good reviews on this with few cons. Going to be my first OLED monitor.
Are there any alternatives I should be on the lookout for or pull the trigger during holiday sales?

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>>103025732
>all well over 100
who cares?

>>103023582
ive had experiences with gigabyte warranty and its great. they always send me new stuff without asking much.

>t. buy tons of broken gpus and send them in for RMA to resell

4070 ti super for 615€
yes, no?