UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUGaming: 12400F, 7600, 7800X3DWorkstation: 265K, 9900X, 9950XAVOID: Intel 13/14 series>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60Double towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, B650 Steel Legend, cheap X870>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30Workstation/high end: consider 2x48GB>SSD (OS drive)Budget: SN580Mid range: NM790Premium: Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only), SN850XFlagship: Sabrent Rocket 5>GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE2160p: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITOR1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansHigh end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)Previous: >>103058355
AIOs were a mistake
first for FUCK monitors
>>103065111ruined with anime
>>103065111i love anime
>>103065111we need to bring Hatsune Miku back
>>103065111>>CPU>Gaming: 12400F, 7600, 7800X3D>>GPU>1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XTah yes, specs for someone who wants 1080p while wasting the most amount of money possible
pissi cuckitini
>>1030652434k gaming are meme
>>103065041Don't. Hanging a gpu vertically like that murders your temps because the vapor chamber won't work properly. Vertical mounting "straight" where it's still horizontal lengthwise is fine, in fact even mounting it lengthwise but the io is facing down is fine, but io facing up vertical = death.This fatal flaw is why the tower 300/600 are unusable if you're performance minded at all. Do it only if you like the looks more than you like having 10c lower gpu temps.
>>103062368Name of the case?
>>103065296NTA but obviously a Torrent.
>>103065296looks like fractal torrent compact
>>103065261why is it a meme anon
>>103065111You should be able to solve this
>>103065124i overspent by double what a rad this performance would usually cost just because I liked how it looks more than like the atmos with its hideous pump that doesn't even match the color scheme much less the artic freezer which gets its name from being roughly the size of the kitchen appliance sharing its name.
>>103065346why are you replying to me, schizo.
>>103065353i wish i was a schizo. life would be ezpz
Is $850 USD a good price for the RX 7900 XTX or should I wait for the RX 8000s? Don't care about DLSS plus it'll be going in a Linux box so Nvidia isn't really an option.
>>103065243Well, tell us the better set-up then, if you are so smart.
which one of these two should I get?
>>103065309>>103065318Thanks. Figured it was a Fractal because of the fans but wasn't sure which one.
>>103065465Neither get fwl 10
MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFIis this good motherbord?
>>103065287this is why chads just use copper heatsinks not lqbtvape chamber memesimagine having to worry about gravity for coolingexcusemeno thank you
I BOUGHT THE ROG Zephyrus G16 (2024) GU605 WITH AN RTX 4090 LAPTOP GPU FOR LIKE $3,000 AND THIS SHIT LITERALLY BURNS ME. EVEN WHEN IM JUST PLAYING RUNESCAPE. LMAOI GOT SCAMMED.EVEN MY MACBOOK DOESNT BURN ME.CLOWN WORLD.
>>103065548I don't think I've ever seen a tomahawk board that wasn't solid.
>>103065585And that goes for both intel and amd
>>103065583>Buying a "gamer" laptopA fool and his money are soon parted.
CES leaks when? Someone fucking leak that shit already, LEAK IT.
AMD plans to unveil a boatload of products at the convention including:Strix Halo (Ryzen AI Max) laptop chipsFire Range (Ryzen 9000 laptop SKUs and their X3D versions)Kraken Point (Strix Point successor)Ryzen Z2 Extreme, Ryzen Z2, and a Ryzen Z2GRadeon RX 8000 RDNA 4 desktop GPUsRyzen 9 9900X3D and Ryzen 9 9950X3D
>>103065664>Ryzen 9 9900X3D and Ryzen 9 9950X3DI only see two products.
The only AMD product I care about is the 9800X3D so AMD at CES means nothing to me
>>103065677Yep everything else is niggerliciousLet's see the Ryzen cpus and Nvidia gpus nothing else matters.
>>103065680they will release motherboards that are actually good then
i just bought a 14900k but im still on ampere so i only care about nvidia at ces
>>103065709You don't need more than X670(E)You probably don't even need more than B650
>>103065723i do. dont tell me what I need just because you only use your rig for gaymes or youre too poor to buy parts that take advantage of a good chipset
>>103065717>intel aviv>njudeadumb fuck even bought a degraded cpu. lol. lmao even.
>>103065639https://www.notebookcheck.net/New-leak-reveals-AMD-s-absolutely-stacked-CES-2025-lineup.910176.0.html>>103065743>i do. dont tell me what I need just because you only use your rig for gaymes or youre too poor to buy parts that take advantage of a good chipsetHumor us, then what features not in B650 are you after for what purpose?
do white PSUs usally come with white cables?or do I have to buy them extra?like I don't need a white PSU(you can't see it anyway) but I need white cables.
>>103065761I tune every system I build the issue never happened for me and never will. Vid requests never exceed 1.27. Intel isn't for niggers who blindly trust third party vendors to follow a spec sheet.
>>103065717> i only care about nvidia at cesprepare for disappointment and/or overpricing their entire lineup
I'm gonna do it brosI'm finally going to replace my LGA-2011 3930K, DDR3 system (keeping my 2080Ti for now)I'm not yet sure on the motherboards though It seems they all lack some shit and add some shit with no clear winnerAlso benchmarks show at least 4% CPU performance difference between the boards which I find oddMotherboards are hard for me to compare because of all the variables (on board x if you use slot y then slot z loses w or slot v is disabled)
>>103065815just use fiber optic cables that are semi transparent
>>103065921You can save a shitload of money on the cooler and case and get equal or better.
>>103065954What other modern case has a 90 degree rotated motherboard tray?
>>103065111Why do you put amadeus instead of normal Huke Kurisu art from OG S;G?
Are zotac cards okay or should they be avoided? I'm also worried about getting an MSRP card and having high temps kill the card in a year or two.
>>103065978The Tower 300/600 if you want your gpu to be an overheating piece of shit in that vertical position so badly.
>>103065287I like you
>>103066009Why would it overheat when it's hanging vertically?>PicrelWait..Why is the PSU underneath? There is no sufficient room for bottom intakeNo wonder the thermals in the tower 600 suck
>>103066044Look up vertical gpu performance and vapor chambers the tests are out there vertical with upwards i/o is bad because of how gravity affects the fluid in the coolers
>>103065978>>103066044Just buy a case w/ a flat front panel/no intake, and... lay that bitch on its face. Save some $$--er €€.And if you don't like it, you can just... rotate it back to the normal position.
>>103065287Oh I didn't see this (you)Didn't know that sort of mounting had issues with vapor chambersBut do all modern GPUs use vapor chambers? I thought it was a founders edition meme>>103066069Fuck But I love having all i/o on top>>103066083That would be ugly as fuck and support all the weight on the weakest side
>>103065111I guess its time to finally put it on rest...had this build for 13 years and still can play most of modern games except due the fact the CPU is old as fuck, feels like putting a dog down man...
>>103065921>Also benchmarks show at least 4% CPU performance difference between the boards which I find oddWelcome to modern computing where there are no standards, only variance.Boards with better VRMs and cooling and power delivery shit can let CPUs boost to higher clocks and it's all a fucking meme now. Boards shouldn't really affect CPU but they do.
>>103065111Why do they release this collab PSU with the NF-A12 which will be outdated in the next 3 months?
>>103066140Yeah but it is what it is, so I want the best motherboard for 9800x3d
>>103066186
>>103066186Why would it be outdated
>>103066186There is not that much competition in that price class. I mean AX1600i is still the best and how old is that one now?
>>103066199>>103066186Are they even that "silent"?
>>103065243>>103065443This anon is stuck in the past. 6700 XT's aren't even produced any more. The cheapest 6700 XT in the US is now $500+.
When is AMD B850 coming?
>>103066304Q1 2025.
>>103066233they're so silent you hear the coil whine
>>1030662607600 is the best 1080p gpu
>>1030664067800X3D is the *best* 1080p GPU. 7600 is not bad for most people tho.
>>103066304Honestly why care? Are you really cranking out those 32 Queue Depth Workloads to leverage that Gen5 NVME drive?
>>103066427maybe he wants an mATX board with pcie5.0x16 and 3 m.2s anon.
>>103066417Anon, please observe these letters:GC
>>103066484Observed
>>103065996Twin edge and solo.
>>103066484gamecube?
>>103066427Yes.
Observe these digits
>>103066637I see 3 6's. Are you implying something
>>103066417GPU?
>>103066678>xe renders xer games with xer gpu
Should I be paranoid of moddiy?
>>103066688Why don't you order one from your manufacturer?
>>103066726Because the crooks at FSP won't sell me oneThe went straight to 12VHPWR on both ends
So fan configuration makes way bigger difference than I thought. So pic related is a simple airflow diagram of my current rig. Note the top case fan marked in red. I previously had it as an exhaust, figuring three intakes, three exhausts would make a good balance. In the game I typically play, my CPU sat at 80c. This is within normal ranges, but after some thought, I flipped it to an intake since it was in front of the CPU cooler and I figured it would get it more cool air. Now, in the same game, 45c. Absolutely crazy difference. Just flipping one fan. For those curious, its a rig I put together in 2020. 10700k w/ dark rock pro 4, msi 3070, Phanteks P300a case. Four years I have been starving my cpu of cool air. What a fool I am.>>103066260I got my wife's 6700XT off ebay in Nov 2022 for $265. Probably a miner's card, but it had only been on the market for a year so I figured the wear and tear would be minimal. It has held out fabulously. Way better than my 3070. I couldn't imagine paying $500 for such a card. >>103065664You guys may only care about the high-end desktop parts, but the new APU's coming out of AMD are going to revolutionize the mini, laptop and handheld market. The new ones with 16 RDNA 3.5 CUs, that operate at 35w, perform at the same level as a 7600, in an APU. Theyre nuts. When the steam deck refreshes, it will run circles around its previous model.
>>103066686kek
>>103066688>12VHPWRYes.
>>103066686>>103066863>and uses XeSS
>>103066688>angled 12VHPWRgee what was that thing in the OP againoh right>12VHPWRDO NOT USE ANGLED 12VHPWR ADAPTERS
>>103066961>12 volt house fire at all
>>103066961nta but the op warning was specifically for the right angle adapters, not for cables with an angled plugan adapter takes a straight 12vhpwr plug and turns it 90 degreesthe cables just goes straight to a 90 degree plug, you're not adding the resistance of another plug and socket
> just wait 4 months until AMD and Nvidia release new cards> then wait another 4 months until the Ti and XT versions come out and partially broken patches to come out> then wait another 4 months until the SUPER versions come out and they ship patches that actually work> then wait another 4 months until new cards come out for 2026When do I stop waiting?
>>103066125You are fucking bottlenecking your 3060Ti to oblivion, I know because I used to have a Ryzen 2700 paired with the same GPU and even there the CPU was a bottleneck.
>>103067044right nowbuy what you need when you need it
>>103066260you can still buy the 6750 xt
>>103065243A 7700XT is cheap as fuck though
>>103066125you're genuinely gonna make me vomityou wasted so much time being HORRENDOUSLY bottleneckedeven a fucking 1600 would have been ~40% better and that CPU would still get bottlenecked to hell & back by a 3060tiI genuinely do not know why you got a 3060ti
>>103067101fucking 700 dollars ROTW
anything retarded/ out of place on this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C8TnTM
so i'm doing a bench build to test a new mobo, cpu, and ram and i got this error message. also the "Boot" light is on (but that might make sense because there's no boot drive connected yet)it mentions something about BitLocker or encyption being enabled, but thats not possible because these parts have never been used before, so there's no bitlocker or anythingwhat do i do now?
>>103066260I bought one used for $250 last year.
>>103067300>these parts have never been used beforepress Ythey're telling you any old bitlocker keys will be wiped
>>103067300Press Y.You have to pair the cpu to the fTPM, that is the process of doing so.It just is using the same message as if you installed a different cpu later on
>>103067300>>103067329this does seem to indicate you got a used motherboard, though
>>103067279>fucking 700 dollars??? In what absolute shithole? In my shithole it goes for 550US$(taxes are already included in the price). Meanwhile the cheapest 4070S goes for 780US$ in the same store.
>>103067329>>103067336>>103067342ok i got this screen now, seems good. now what?
>>103067382boot into the OS I guess?
>>103067382>now whatenable EXPO
Anybody know of a good comparison of GPUs and CPUs in terms of performance per watt? I want my next build to be about power efficiency.
>>103066406>>1030664177600 is a 1440p gpu easily
>>103067397>boot into the OS I guess?i have a windows boot drive on a flash drive i made previously. do i plug that in and hit "save and exit" ?>>103067398>enable EXPOwhy should i do that and how?
>>103067406The 4080S currently has the best energy efficiency on the market:https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/42.html
>>103067406Hardware unboxed compare cards by perf/watt, but they do it mostly with variations of the same card.
>>103067425>why should i do thatmakes you RAM run at the advertised speed>howthere's a button right there in your screenshot
you guys reckon if my rx 6600 is bottleneck'd by my r5 3500x?
>>103067437>makes you RAM run at the advertised speedthis is the ram i got. the BIOS utility says its running @ 4800MHz - is that not correct?
>>103067481>is that not correct?It is not, you need to load the EXPO profile for it to run at the advertised 6000MHz speed.
>>103067487>It is not, you need to load the EXPO profile for it to run at the advertised 6000MHz speed.ok. is that going to fuck with anything though? what are the risks in changing the stock speed?
>>103067496The motherboard might cycle (reset itself) for a few minutes for memory training, but after that it should work just fine.
>>103067496It's an overclock to the ram so the only possible downside is instability however zen4 has no problem running 6000mhz
no OLED 1080P monitorsit´s over
>>103066125>feels like putting a dog down man...Yes, a very old dog that's on its last legs.>>103067047>>103067115You butt hurt chumps act like he using a shitty Core 2 Duo CPU.
i´m so tired of shitty IPS/VA panelthere´s no 1080p OLED or Mini-LED monitorsthere´s only 1440p and above, but i don´t want to invest like 3000$ usd on my shithole to get a 1440p rig
>>103065438Let's wait anon. For me the price is over 1000 with taxes. The have to get rid of tax before launch.
>>103065548Yes
>>103067521>You butt hurt chumps act like he using a shitty Core 2 Duo CPU.Like a said, a Ryzen 2700 was bottlenecking my 3060Ti, he is losing a good chunk of performance with that Tuban CPU.
>>103067047>bottlenecking your 3060Ti to oblivionbottlenecks aren't realif he wants to play older games in 4k with supersampling ontop his 3060 Ti will work just fine with his old meme CPUyour CPU is either enoughor it isn'tand if it isn't, that's because it's a bad fit for the gamethe GPU isn't even relevantCPU determines FPSGPU determines quality settings
>>103066187Both are great boards. I'm an asrock fan boi though.
>>103067511>>103067508ok so EXPO is now enabled... do i just hit save and exit?
>>103067115>I genuinely do not know why you got a 3060tidepending on the game his CPU might be able to run it at up to 300FPS so a nice GPU will let him run high quality settings and use mods to increase thempairing gpu to cpu is a marketing scam and bottlenecks are a meme
>>1030673477900gre for 500bux here lol.
>>103067450Here's how a 3600 performed, back when 5800x3d was king.
>>103067607Yes. It'll restart and do memory training.
>>103067628ok when do i put in the boot drive? after memory training?
>>103065583Notebookcheck has a review of this laptop model. Here's the temperature part.
>>103067628so i did this and its still showing DRAM status as 4800MHz and not 6000MHZ. how do i know if EXPO actually worked?
>>103067450no
>>103067673Put the boot drive in first anon. Any order is fine in this particular case.
>>103067713If you see below that it says 6000, 32-38-38 etc. It means expo worked.
>>103067723>>103067733k its doing its windows thing. will update when complete. thanks for the help so far based anon
>>103066260>Used market doesn't existI see lots of 6750 xt's on facebook marketplace for as low as 350 canadian but usually around 400
>>103067713Press F7 to enter advanced mode and check the actual running speed on the top right side
>>103067911No warranty no thank you
Got the lian Li 216 case currently running 2700x with 3060. would top fans help in keeping excess dust out? Very dusty environment cause I don't wash like a proper /g/entlemen
>>103067949>I don't know how to test a graphics card in 5-10 minutes with basic free softwareIf ur not retarded you won't get scammed buying cards in person. Anyone who isn't a scammer will let u test and if they won't you don't buy.
>>103067993What if something happens to it after the 30 day return period.
>>103067957Positive pressure and intake filter are your only and best tools
>>103067957the standard configuration of two 160mm front fans and one rear 140mm fan is best for dustvacuum your room and get a room filter
H9 Flow is everything I wanted the o11 dynamic to be.
My piece of shit gigabyte G32QC monitor is finally dead after a surprising 4 year run. Any good 32 inch 2k monitor recommendations?
>>103067930>Press F7 to enter advanced mode and check the actual running speed on the top right sidei'm in windows now and Task Manager shows RAM speed @ 6000MHz. does that mean i'm good or do i still need to go back into BIOS and double check?
>>10306812332 inch?you NEED a 10 inch monitor for 1440p to get 300 PPI !!!!!
>>103067101>$400+ gpu>cheap is this the part where you call everyone poorfags
>>103068138kek? what the fuck
Any approved /g/ builds? My budget is $1500
>>103068228>ryzen cpu>nvidia gpu>non-samsung ssd>thermalright cpu coolerdone
>>103068228Prebuilt
>>103068228>i5-13600k>rx 6800xt>Samsung 980 ssd>scythe mogen 6done
HDMI A just means the standard full size plug?
whats the best program to monitor component performance?
>>103068228spend it all on a 4090get the rest from garbage bins/dumps
>>103068391https://www.hwinfo.com/download/
>>103068123>32" 1440pnigga what are you doing32" 4k or 27" 1440p and that's just barely acceptable
>>103065583>I BOUGHT THE ROG Zephyrus G16 (2024) GU605 WITH AN RTX 4090 LAPTOP GPU FOR LIKE $3,000 AND THIS SHIT LITERALLY BURNS ME.Buying a gaming laptop is an absolute waste of money in every way. Ass battery life, implicitly limited hardware designed for lower power, thermal throttling, somehow still sounds like a fucking harrier jet when you want to run Microsoft word. I had a Gigabyte with a 3070 and it's a total piece of shit compared to my Macbook M2 Max in every single way. Now I just have a tower with a 12900k and a 4090 and if I want to play gaymes on this laptop, I stream them with moonlight from the tower.
>>103068487>nigga... <one of the best resolution/size combos> is just barely acceptable27"1440p is the perfect sweet spot. Appreciably more screen real estate than 1080p, acceptable dpi if you're not 12 inches from your screen, fairly easy to run at high refresh rates unlike 4k.
>>10306855127" 4k is the best32" 5k is also good
>>103068559Low framerate fucking sucks. Buttery smoothness well surpasses any advantage 4k affords unless you sit 6 inches from the screen like a neanderthal
>>103068573get a 4090
I just picked up an LG C2 48" OLED for $600 with 120 hours runtime on marketplace and it's incredible. Running it at 4k 120hz.
>>1030685804090 still won't always maintain >144fps at 4k
>>103068581Nice I bought a C3 for my mom earlier this year cause she watches a lot of TV and she loves it. Big upgrade from her 32" insignia from 2002 sitting across the room
>>103068614dlssframegenif you decide to go the >fake frames>muh latencyroute, i will just stop responding to your bad faith arguments
>>103068621Yeah, LG makes some really nice TVs. It's my first OLED display outside of mobile devices and it's pretty mesmerizing in certain scenes with RTX maxed out on Cyberpunk. 32" to 48" was a pretty massive move, but it was an upgrade from my last wall mounted display which was just a 32" Samsung LCD tv from however many years ago.
>>103068581>>103068650Anon, have you played your first game in HDR yet? Get the HDR calibration tool and set it up properly and then prepare to shit yourself.
>>103068655Yeah, I've been running HDR with Cyberpunk -- so far I've been playing via Moonlight because I need a slightly longer HDMI 2.1 cable which should be here tomorrow and I can see what things look like direct out of the 4090. I'll look into that Calibration tool.
>>103065111What the fuck does "Non-ECC" means in ram? Is it that important to have it? Explain it to me if I was 8 years old, please
>>103068677How long is that HDMI cable? If it's > 6ft you might experience black screen issues. Get a fiber optic HDMI cable if it happens.
>>10306868516.5 ft unfortunately -- was reading around and some people were saying they had good luck with it, but people also get free products to add bullshit reviews so we'll see if it works. Hopefully it just does, but if not I'll spring for a nicer one.
>>103065438$850 is way more than you need for a nice and durable rope. An option you at least should consider.
>>103065111christina a shit
>>103065548Decent board except for the lack of a debug code LED. The X870 Tomahawk has one. Also a very decent board but overpriced. It's a shame.
>>103068683ECC is for server stuff, it has zero to negative gain for gaming
>>103068354Yes>>103068129You're good
>>103068683ram stores 1s and 0s in cellssometimes the cells go bad and report the wrong numbersecc ram checks the cells to make sure there are no errors before reportingit is only important in server grade hardware
is there a particular Surface pro that really stand out or is it the newer the better
>>103068683It's only for computers that actually need to work correctly. Doesn't matter for your gaming rig.
>>103068816you shouldn't get a surface at all
>>103068559> 27" 4k is the best4k is best on a 32" display. 27" is optimal for 1440p. I own both and I don't wish for an even higher res on my 27".
>>103068770The x870 tomahawk is only overpriced if you live in the distant past where upper middle range boards were like 200. The x870 tomahawk offers more for the money than any other x870/e board.
>>103066859>For those curiousI'm more curious than that. Try turning that fan off entirely and test again.
>>103068551>27"1440p is the perfect sweet spot.1440p is the perfect sweet spot for a 27" display. And 4k for a 32" display. My 32" display allows me to have more free real estate on my large desk in front of it and lean back in my chair, even farther away from the screen. My 27" is more appropriate for a smaller desk and/or sitting closer to it. It's also much easier to carry around. The 32" is rather immobile.
>AIOs>introduces pump noise>deteriorates over time, must buy a new one every 5 years (if youre lucky)>much more expensive than an air cooler>much more points of failure than an air cooler>usually comes with shitty fanswhats the appeal???
>>103069016Retards think water is epic nerd shit and not realizing buying pre-made kits is a complete antithesis
>>103068893> The x870 tomahawk offers more for the money than any other x870/e board.The Asrock Nova is only ~50 bucks more and comes with two more unshared M.2 slots (5 vs 3), a GPU slot with unshared (exceptional!) 16 pcie lanes, 6 more V-core power phases, a newer better audio chip AND... a heavy duty metal back plate! All these premium features for just 50 bucks more. A no brainer. Unless you really need a second GPU slot.
what's a good X670/X870 mobo below 300 bucks? I have the Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX X670 in my eyes but people have told me their mobos have died for unknown reasons, so idk if there's a better alternative.
I am retarded will this mini itx build cook itself
>>103069016most of your arguments are nothing burgers e.g. because of 5 year warranty on good units
>>103069016It leaves a lot more space around the cpu socket and in the case to more easily access cable headers, DIMM slots etc. Also less noisy with a less annoying noise pattern.
>>103065465The kingston is much better
I was considering the 4070 ti super over the 4070 super because it was "just" $200 more, but then I was set on the ti super, I was considering the 4080 super because it was "just" $200 more. Then I decided to just get the 4070 super
How much is this PC worth? (It also has Cooler Master Storm Scout case)
>>103069463$200
>>103069463go post a thread with that image and say>let me guess, you need more?ahh, priceless
>>103069463$25
how are the fans that come with the liquid freezer iii? are they worth replacing?
Thoughts on the Antec Flux Pro? Does anyone have it? GamersNexus liked it a lot but I don't see anons commenting on it in these threads.
>>103069549Nigga buy a case you like and not what someone liked
What's the absolute minimum GPU for high refresh rate gaming on a 1440p 165hz monitor and also for 4k gaming on a 4k 144hz TV (TV gaming will mainly be single player games that don't require more than 60 fps). I'm seeing ryzen 5700 and rtx 4060 prebuilts for sub £600 but I don't think a 4060 will be capable of what I want out of it. Going from 4060 to 4070 builds almost doubles the price and I'd rather spend closer to 600 than 1000.
>>103069549Seems like a good Fractal Torrent/Lancool III slayer. This will most likely take the place of the two aforementioned cases in the OP once the availability becomes better.
>>103069540No, they are worth keeping.
>>103069632Depends which game. But if your budget is low I would go for a 7700 XT.https://bestvaluegpu.com/en-gb/850GBP build:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Tx9cC8725GBP build:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c8HG3w
>>103069646Also, no TechPowerUp review yet. Gotta wait for that one. GamersNexus doesn't have that many cases in his comparison sadly...
>>103069157bls resbond I'm poor (I actually already spent over 1.5k on the GPU and CPU and don't wanna over do it with the mobo).
>>103069710There is no need to spend 300 bucks on a motherboard if you don't have specific requirements. Get a B650 LiveMixer or a B650M board if you want a smaller case.
>>103069157>>103069710Gigabyte X670 GAMING X AX V2 ATX AM5 for 200 bucks.Or B650 LiveMixer for 150 bucks like the other anon said.
planning on getting the 5090 when it releases as I've gotten into making cinematics in Unreal Engine and never had a top tier system before. will my current CPU bottleneck the card? I'm planning on upping my ram to 96gb during black friday assume there are salesshould I upgrade my mobo as well? I dont know if I have to gut my system to make way for the new gpu
>>103069016>pump noiseI can't hear my pump over the fans, and I don't hear those either with headphones on
>buying intel cpulol faggot. enjoy the component failure>buying a new gpulol faggot. integrated graphics. 50 series soon anyway>buying anything else other than a ryzen 7 mdlol faggot. even then new mdx's are probably coming '25 as well>buying ddr5lol faggot. we are on the verge of having ddr7.leecherally just save your money and buy in '25. no reason to spend money. no new games worth playing anyway
>>103069743>will my current CPU bottleneck the card?for gaming, probably, but for rendering no.>upgrade my motherboardno point unless you're planning on changing platforms, B550 is enough for AM4but I assume if you're prepared to spend $2.5k for a 5090 then you'll be happy to upgrade to AM5 in which case don't worry about buying more memory until the 9950X3D is out in February.
>>103069743You should just get a 9800X3D in that case.
>>103069690I think I'll wait till more powerful GPUs become cheaper because I don't want to spend more than console pricing for what is a console replacement. Maybe on black Friday.
>>103069743It's likely the 50 series will use PCIE 5.0 so it's likely your motherboard itself might be the bottleneck, I'd get a 9950x or 9950X3D (will probably be even better than the 9800X3D for gaming) whenever it launches.
>>103069858Black Friday is unlikely to have good discounts on the 7700 XT but hey you never know. You can also try to buy a cheap used 3080. If you can find one for 300 quid you can end up around 600 quid maybe.
>>103069815>>103069838>>103069867thanks guys. gaming is definitely 2nd to productively and rendering so just trying to prioritize that first
>>103069993
>>103069867I would be surprised if the 5090 bottlenecks on 16 pcie 4.0 lanes, even 16 pcie 3.0 lanes does not bottleneck the 4090, I bet the 5090 will probably bottlebeck on 16 pcie 3.0 lanes but not 4.0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2SuyiHs-O4
Is there any mini ITX case that supports an ATX PSU and a 155mm air cooler, but without having the extra volume to fit a GPU? Maybe something like the Coolermaster NR200 ITX but shorter.
>>103070073How about bulding a normal pc you thong-wearing faggot
>>103069157Get x870 pro rs instead
>>103069700Keep in mind that the North Mesh was reviewed without side intake fans.
>>103070097Because the alternative to the case not fitting within the airline's cabin carry-on clearance is a laptop, which is even gayer, and I gotta travel to visit my aging parents.
>>103070169you don't need to play your faggy games when you're visiting your parentsHow far are they
>>103069993In that case 9950X
>>103070183That's why the GPU is lopped off, my brother in Christ. 400mi or 1h by plane. FUCK driving for 5h.
Is there any reason to go over 32gb of ram for gaming?
>>103070222I've seen some benchmarks, of admittedly questionable veracity, which show a big boost to 1% lows in some games so yes. With that said it is another $100+ which could go in to the main silicon so maybe best left to "no budget" builds.
>>103070331If that's the case should I get 64gb of ram or 128gb of ram?
NewfagSince the gentoo guide is down, i have some retard questions.Finding out what i need/want is simple for the cpu, gpu, ram, etc, but how do i know what i need for cooling/motherboard?
>>103070342>motherboardits like picking out clothes. find something that works for you in terms of looks, features, capability, price>coolingthere are sweetspot coolers like the phantom spirit 120 se that cools everything under 250W pretty well and arctic liquid iii 360/420 that handles anything under 350W
>>103070341This would be DDR5 so you want 1DPC for max clocks - stick to 64/96GB. Also please bear in mind my info comes from somebody posting some benchmarks here over a year ago. In the current state of play it may be better to clockmaxx with single rank (CU)DIMMs.
>>103070342cooling will depend on the type of CPU you have purchased, for example a high end Intel CPU such as the 14900k can suck down up to 300w or more on a full load so you would ideally need to get a large aio (all in one) liquid cooler 360mm or bigger, whereas a part such as the Ryzen 7 7800x3d will not normally exceed 105w so most air coolers can handle it just fine
>>103070397Alright thanks anon.
>>103070073Raijintek Metis Plus (13.37L) is likely the smolest ITX case to simultaneously fit an ATX PSU and a fucking 155mm cooler. It has space for a smol GPU (170mm).
>>103069765which one do you have?
>>103070222Higher capacity RAM DIMMs (32 A-die modules or 48GB M-die modules) are dual rank vs single rank for 16/24GB sticks, which gives you some minor improvement due to rank interleaving (but dual rank memory struggles to achieve high speeds).Also just having more ram can improve responsiveness. Windows task manager doesn't tell you the whole truth about RAM utilization, i.e. it doesn't include the 'mapped files' where frequently used files are cached in RAM to speed up access compared to reading from disk.
>>103070222To have space for firefox.
>>103065111i7 870016gb ramh310m s2p mobogtx970 GPU550w psuWhat's the best GPU to get for this setup if I were to upgrade?
>>1030705016650XT
>>103070440Almost nobody makes 6000cl30 96gb kitsIt's fucking ridiculous
And once again Apple makes the fastest CPU in the world just to crippled it with an awful GPU and even worse RAM/SSD upgrade pricing. Very cool!
>>103070540>fastest cpu in the worldlol
>>103070545Literally objectively true
>>103070540Fastest geekbench 1T CPU you mean
>>103070548lol
>>103070426>Raijintek Metis PlusLooks like it ticks all my boxes, thanks!But I'm still game for something without even the room for any GPU.
>>103065111I really like the look of this fuck nut. It has a TDP of 130W, is that enough for a 9800X3D?
>>103070561That better be at least 100mm
>>103070561That CPU hasn't released yetIt might be a 150W housefires for all we know
>>103070561>spend $500 on a cpu just to use a meme cooler and give up performance
>>103070538Yeah shit sucks but they do exist. Plus there's a few 6400C32 and other standard M-die bins; Hynix chips seem to be pretty consistent so downclocking+tightening should be considered.
>>103070574It's a 120mm fan.
How much better is a 7900GRE over a 4070 Super?
>>103070585How much did you overpay for a memetic version of a Wraith?>>103070599-20%
>>103070605I didn't buy it.
>>103070561Precision Boost 2 makes it so that your cooler choice is mostly a matter of noise and, at the margins, boost clock. Even if they do increase the PPT limit it's unlikely the CPU will pull more than 60W while gaming. It's obviously not a sensible play - there's much better top flow coolers out there - but it won't kill anything either.
>>103070560https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sNyH99/zotac-gaming-solo-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-video-card-zt-d40600g-10lthis is pretty much the best card that will fit in that case, what's your current system specs?
>>103070599they're pretty much identical in performance in raster but in RT its not even close.
>>103070540now say the unified memory line bart!
>>103070599Stock to stock it's maybe 5% ahead in raw raster but like 20% slower in RT. The GRE does have the benefit of easy memory OC which gets it up to ~4070TiS raster perf. Worth considering if you absolutely do not want RT or DLSS.
>>103070623>>103070605>>103070634I wa a looking at reviews and why does the average 4070 super run so much hotter and louder than the 7900gre which uses more watts?
>>103070656probably because most 4070 supers use smaller heatsinks and twin fans to help margins compared to most 7900GRES using larger heatsinks with triple fans
>>103070656Worse coolers on average. I expect many firms will have reused 4070 designs (220W) for the Super. Plus some will have reused 7900XT coolers for the GRE. Can be cheaper overall since you save on R&D.
>>103070666>>103070671Huh okay thanks
>>103070656Get one with a huge cooler. Aorus Master to be exact.
>>103070656The big brain thing is to get a 3 fan version and undervolt
Is the fractal north a decent case in terms of the internal layout and build quality? I like the look of it but not sure if it's actually good.
So I currently have a Asus Rog 450-F Gaming (old one not the gen 2) with a Ryzen 3600 CPU and a 5600XT GPU. I just ordered a 5700X3D. I play in 1080P and dont plan on buying a new monitorany time soon. Should I upgrade my GPU or can the 5600XT still handle 1080P stuff?I really wanted to play Monster Hunter Wilds, but after playing the demo on lowest settings and getting artifacted Nintendo 64 image quality at 30 FPS, I figured that I needed to consider an upgrade.
>>103070785The case is good but the QC is rather bad desuI have one and the gap between the io port and the front panel of the case has an uneven gap on the top left that's rather ugly
>>103070791Oh yeah and 16 gigs of Ram I think it is 2666mhz
>>103070797
>>1030707915600XT is the minimum specs for that game, you'll probably see better performance with the 5700X3D with that card but it is falling behind. the new gen of GPUs is out in January, I would see how things are with the CPU upgrade and try to hold out until then.
>>103067044If you're pleased with the performance of the 4000 series or AMD card you want, and the next generation is literally just a couple months away, wait for the new generation to release. If it causes a price drop of the card you currently want, get that card. If it doesn't cause a price drop and the new generation is prices similarly or slightly higher, get the new gen card you like. If it doesn't cause a price drop and the new gen cards are much more expensive, get the previous gen card you were already eyeing. There will always be something better "right around the corner." So just try to get what you already want that suits your needs at the best price possible. If you have to wait like 1/3 to half a year though? Just get what you want now rather than spending all that time speculating.
>>103070791If you've still got access to the demo you should bench it with RivaTuner too see what component is holding you back. With what you have currently it could genuinely be any one of those mentioned.Ordinarily I would say to upgrade the card first, because that's the most likely bottleneck in mainstream games, but what's done is done. Bench it again with the new CPU and make a decision.FWIW, I do /think/ you'll need a new card since the 5600XT is pretty slow by modern standards but there's no sense buying shit randomly without testing. As for RAM, DDR4 is so cheap right now that you might as well upgrade while you're at it. Should be able to do it for like $30 if you sell your old kit.
>>103070813brvtal
i hvae a 4090 plus 7800 x3dwill 5090 be a big upgrade or do you guys think its gonna be 10-20%?
>>103068580>>103068623get a 7800XT instead and get framegen in every game and not just a handful of sponsored ones
I have waited long enough because you said me to wait. Should I build a PC on X870+9700x?
>>103070861probably 40% like the 3090ti to 4090
>>103070877do you need 9700X performance? then yes
>>103070878will my 4090 plummet in price?
Sorry greenbros but I know how to use linux nowI'm switching to team red with a RX 7800 XT
>>103070891based
>>103069257do you really need to spend that much on RAM and cooler? cut down on those for a better GPU
>>103065111what the fuck is going on with PSUs these times?which do I buy, ATX3.0, ATX3.1 or just fuck it and buy ATX2.0??I have rx7900xtx
>>103070883Why does 9600x still have 6 cores?
>>103070877>X870get an Asrock B650M HDV/M.2>9700XIMO it still needs to drop to $300 but its good
>>103070901Does AMD use the gayhomo new cable?
Alright, i deviated very little from the guide and suggestions in the OPThe RAM is 10mm over the fans suggested clear limit, please tell me if i need a case with more wiggle room to have it positioned well. Any other issues? Most intense game i'll probably be playing in the near future will be Elden Ring and Monster Hunter, and probably some other unoptimized japanese games as the nips learn how to port things to pc.
>want to power an internal blu ray drive>I have a SATA cable and free inputs>not sure which cable to use to power it upWill any of the ones that come out of the PSU do?I see the same cables have multiple outputs like a tree
>>103070919>noctuagay, stop buying these>TUFThat's ASUS' walmart branding. Either go strix or don't bother and stick with a more sensible thing like Gigabyte Windforce Max or MSI
>>103070901its pretty easy, just pick whatever size you want and follow their recommendations but AMD isn't using 12VHPWR yet.https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>>103070917nope
>>103067044Then wait for Super Ti and XTX.
So since I'm hearing rumors that the rtx 5080 will be underwhelming should I get the 4070 ti super or 4080 super for 4k gaming?
>>103069016To fool retards to think they're into some epix hax matricks shit.
>>103070919>CPUFine in isolation but at $500 you might as well wait for the 9800X3D.>CoolerAbsolutely overkill. Your CPU is hard limited to 90W and will pull more like 50 in games.I'm not a Noctua hater btw. - it will be the last one you ever need - but going with a smaller design will save you money and headache re. compatibility.>BoardFine. It's a bit over MSRP right now so check pricing on the Pro RS which is very similar.>RAMShould price-shop this. 2x16GB 6000C30 is going as low as $85 atm.>SSDOverkill for a gaming rig; could save $50 here with an NM790 or similar HMB drive.>CardYou are paying rather a lot for the cooler but it's fair enough if you're willing to do that for silence.>CaseSeems a little cheap for a $2k rig but it's got mesh so it won't be a furnace.>PSUA top end 750W unit should be closer to $100. At this budget I'd be aiming for ATX3.1 too.
Why is it hard to find 3TB SSDs compared to others and are very expensive?Why is it better to go in even numbers, 1, 2, 4TB?
>>103070931Use the one specified in the manual. Your pic is the old Molex standard which is unlikely to be found on a new drive. SATA power is much more likely and looks like an L shape from the front. You can use any one of the daisy-chained connectors on the cable.
fuck this piece of shit 200iq game of pc gaming and assembling a pc, troubleshooting for ages etcwhen nintendo releases their next console im consooming and never LOOKING back at this general ever again
>>103071035I see. Ye it uses sata power. Thanx.
>>103071054
>>103071019Very informative, anon. Thank you.
If you only ever game at stock cpu speeds, are stock heat sinks good enough?For AMD? For Intel?
>>103071182On Intel they never gave me an issue. But then again I don't bother with K models either.
>>103071035>>103071076From what I remember the drive came in a simple box. No extras. Will I find this info in the Mobo manual?I am looking through it now.
>>103071182Some ryzens are fine with the Wraith. Intel not sure. Also "stock" speeds these days mean 4,5GHz turboing or more so idk what are you on about.
>>103070934What's wrong with noctua? Dont they make the best air coolers?
>>103071246Of course they do. What are you talking about, haha.
>>10307093499% of the retailers don't list which Gigabyte version product it is, since those fucking assholes love to release v1 and then end up doing random shit like cutting corners on following versions. They are not the only ones that do it, my two friends and I bought ALF2 360 from same retailer, I received revision 2, and my friends received revision 5 and 8...
Am I retarded for not enabling DOCP?
>>103071432yes
reminder to always undervolt your cpu+gpu
https://www.inida.lt/E-parduotuve/Kompiuteriu-ir-serveriu-dalys/Procesoriai/AMD-Ryzen-7-9800X3D-5-2GHZ-AM5-TRAY.html>557€ 9800X3DFor a fucking 8 coreand the price of the 7800X3D keeps risinglowest It went on a flash sale here was 260€ in comparision hereit's all over
>>103071607LMAOing @ intel for shitting away a 10 year lead over ayyyymd and now being literally on the verge of a govt bailout
is G.Skill ram good?
>>103070919>476$ 7800x3dlol, either grab it when the ~420$ model stocks on amazon or wait for 9800x3d which is 480-500>nhd15g2lol, get a phantom spirit 120 se for 35$ & identical performance
>>103071685yes
>26.5'' labeled as 27''this needs to be illegal
>>103070919When will a 7600 bottleneck a 4070ti super? I'd save $300 and spend them in 4 years time when x3d might be cheaper.
>>103070919>7800x3d worst time to buy this chip, the 9800x3d is less than a week away>nh-d15 g2there has never been a good time to buy this cooler, its way overpriced, and a 7800x3d does not need it at all, a phantom spirit is a quarter of the price and performs 95% the same>ramget this instead https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Create-Overclocking-6000MHz-PC5-48000/dp/B0C4NM8NMC/>990 pro990 pro isnt worth paying for if youre just gaming>ASUS TUFasus is shit, get a PNY XLR8 card, and a >PSU$200 for a 750w gold psu is robbery, a psu like that should be $100
>>103071718pretty much any non 4k gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFH7gqCNiQ
>>103071743>and aand a pny is cheaper too
>>103071750a better CPU getting better frames isn't what a bottleneck is.
Is ASUS all that bad for mobos at least?
>>103071779yesam5 chips were being killed because asus is unable to make a reliable board
>>103071750>wow, a 7600 runs at a lower framerate than a 7800x3d when you play games on low settings using a 4070ti superVery impressive.
so would be it accurate to say that ram speed is less relevant for X3D processors? would it be a valid excuse to max out the capacity with 4 dimms? planning out a 2025 5090 / 9950x3d monster rn...
>>103063406fractal design torrent compact
>>103071790I assume that will be the productivity meta, 9950X3D populated 4 dimms at the most stable speed. CUDIMM might help
>>103071770What would you call it when a GPU isn't fully utilized because another component is stopping the pc from making use of the GPU's full potential>>103071787Happens on high/ultra settings at 1440p
>>103071784What about the Intel side?
>>103071885yeah except utilization isn't the issue, in the video >>103071750the utilization is either equal or the CPU is waiting for the GPU which means the GPU is the bottleneck.bigger FPS != bottleneckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DfGNPiNTuMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qB7BkRtOpg
when has anyone here EVER used a pcie slot that wasnt for a gpu/ssdwhat did you use it for?
>>103072035Network and capture card.
>>103072035Planning to buy a 10g nic.
>>103072035Back in the day for a sound cardA bit later for a physx cardRight now for a 10gbe card for high speed connectivity to my nas
>>103072035Wifi 6 because my motherboard only has one M.2 slot and I'm not allowed to run a LAN cable in the walls.
>>103069549I have the non pro version I like it a lot was very easy to build in, the included fan header can only fit 5 fans. The single reverse blade fan on the psu shroud made it annoying to fit a gpu mount, I assume it's worse in the pro version with the extra fan there.
>>103072024>yeah except utilization isn't the issue, in the videoChecked various points & GPU was hitting 90-95% with the x3d & hovering 70-80% with the 7600Spiderman, last of us, cyberpunk, cod, etc.Yes, in some it's not bottlenecked (like hogwarts/wukong) but in others it clearly was
>>103072035I'm still using a sound card, old motherboard had a lot of EI, I've got a new one now but since I already had the sound card, why not use it
>>103065111How can I upgrade this system for less than 600€ in Europe (France) ? Gaming 1080p 144fps if possible but 60 is fine too and video/photo editing as well.
>>103072251Check used market for a 2nd hand GPU if you can, then I would personally recommend getting an aliexpress 5600, a cheap AM4 board & 16gb ddr4 (you'll feel the lack of 32gb most likely, but hey saving 30€ might make the difference between getting a better gpu or not). If you really want a new GPU, I think the best deal in europe is the 6800.https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005057753702.htmlhttps://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/wKKqqH
>>103072340Thank you!Is Aliexpress really trusthworthy for pc parts? I'm scared to buy that kind of thing on this website.
>>103070813are you a fucking beaver?be honest anonwhy is that wood all chewed updon't tell me they don't bother to sand this shit down and finish it before shipping.. this looks bad wtf
>>103072201the CPU and GPU equal utilization is not a bottleneck, the GPU at high usage and less usage of the CPU is a GPU bottleneck.
>>1030722515800X, B550 mobo, 32 GB DDR4, 1 TB NVME.RX 590 will be ok for 1080p gayming. But not for 144 fps.
>>103072340I can find a ryzen 5600 with cooler for €110 from european stores, I don't think €90 without a cooler is that sweet a deal, especially for something that is probably used.
>>103072405>RX 590 will be ok for 1080p gaymingI have some struggle in some games but I think it's because of my old RAM
>>103072365Aliexpress is as trustworthy as amazon third party sellers or ebay. It's just a marketplaceYou'll find plenty of fake CPUs on aliexpress, but that specific listing has 10k+ sales, 1800 reviews (including people posting pics proving it's an actual 5600), 4.9 stars, the store has been around for two years, has tons of sales & is selling a bunch of other cpus in high volume that people are also happy aboutBasically, if you're ever going to buy things of aliexpress, check how trustworthy the seller is & use that to determine if it's worth the risk. If it was like 5-10€ cheaper, I probably wouldn't risk the 0.1% chance you get fucked, but since it's like 40-50€ cheaper iirc it's absolutely worth it>>103072419it shows as 90€ for you? It shows a 72.5 shipped to france for me. Plus there's sales and shit going on so you can likely take off another like 10 bucks with coupon codesIf you need the cooler, yeah at that point it might be a better idea to just buy the 110€ one instead of 90€, but at the same time, for like an extra 10-20€ you could get the aliexpress one and an actually good cooler>>103072405you're retardedEven just a RX6600 is 50-60% better.>>103072395you're retarded, CPU usage will almost never go above 70-80% because devs can't into multithreading.Or are you now going to claim this 4090 isn't bottlenecked by a 5600I'm starting to wonder if you're intentionally trying to misinform people for fun
>>103072489>>103072489>>103072489
>>103072481>I'm starting to wonder if you're intentionally trying to misinform people for funyou do not know what a bottleneck is so you're claiming I'm trying to misinform people.lead a horse to water, can't make it think.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DfGNPiNTuMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qB7BkRtOpg
>>103072518Okay you're just retarded, good to know, stop posting
>>103072518https://youtu.be/2DfGNPiNTuM?t=49>I am extremely CPU bottleneckedmeanwhile anon>the CPU and GPU equal utilization is not a bottleneck
>>103072537yes you should stop posting
>>103072481>Aliexpress is as trustworthy as amazon third party sellers or ebay.
This is a nas build, can we make it cheaper: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2DFZxg
>>103072834Okay yeah, amazon is less trustworthy with all the return/resell scammers out there.
>a 1000 usd PC costs 1350 usd worth of currency in my euro shithole>am4 platform with a 4060 ti and only 16 gb of RAMI hurt myself today...
>>103072962Post it, lets upgrade it to am5 for free.
>>103072834I genuinely stopped buying anyone from third party sellers on amazon, it's an absolute nightmareIt seems like they don't really even ban peopleI've seen people with like 20-40% positive reviews, how the fuck are those people allowed to operate?
