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>>103074568prev: >>102969532>Keyboard recommendation template:https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V(Helps also to mention if you're open to soldering or not)>Find vendorshttps://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-listhttps://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you are China-savvy)>Layouts and switcheshttps://compare.splitkb.comhttps://keyboard-design.comhttps://www.theremingoat.comhttps://www.switchesdb.com>Practice typinghttps://monkeytype.comhttps://www.keybr.comhttps://thetypingcat.comhttps://play.typeracer.com>What does ______ do to a keyboard's soundhttps://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet by a twitch streamer)>What's the deal with backlighting?https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight (WIP, suggestions/corrections welcome)
should i buy a kinesis advantage 2?
>>103074605Get something split instead so you can adjust the halves however you want.
I bought over $1,000 worth of keycaps this week :-)
Keydous NJ98, Y/N? It has the ISO-layout I want, is wireless, and has a bigass battery.
>>103075861metal keycaps? I am actually interested. care to post what you bought and from where?
>>103076857Yeah I got the retro 80s set and periodic table set from Awekeys. The other ~600-700 was second hand artisan keycaps from Jelly Key
>>103076178I almost got one of these and there was a dealbreaker (I forgot what)hope that helps
>>103077306oh yeah, the software is the most hideous closed source chinkware I've seen so consider software support and any hope of modding or doing anything useful with the gimmick screen completely crossed outand that alone makes it pointless to pay the premium vs any equivalent QMK board
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>>103074568hey, are Kailh low profile switches compatible with any keyboard? i have redragon, can i put it on those?
is there any youtube video out there about converting a normal keyboard to low profile with low profile switches and keycaps? i rarely see any, mostly already low profile keyboards that gets modded
>>103079169Low profile switches aren't compatible with normal MX PCBs, so "converting" it would require a new PCB and new plate.
>>103079068No. They are only compatible with boards made specifically for kailh low profile switches.
does anyone have any experience with kalam keyboards (chinese knockoffs of popular boards)? and are they even available right now? everything i found was 1+ years old
>>103079746Never even heard of 'em bro. Probably best to look elsewhere.
>>103079746I never ordered one, but you can still get them on Taobao. If you really want one then you'll need to do some research into using Taobao, and search for "珈蓝 Kalam"This seller seems to have a few of them (and very nice handwriting) https://shop103069137.taobao.com/?spm=pc_detail.29232929Honestly I don't think it's worth it though, you're still going to be paying like $300 - 600, and you could just buy a nice keyboard for that price that doesn't involve fucking around.
I just ordered a creamy white pre-lubed 75% keyboard with a gasket from Amazon. I can't wait to give it the old in and out and just give it a pounding ;)
>>103079895Imma finger bang the fuck outta this creamy white pre-lubed lil man ;)
>>103079895Make sure you swap the switches out for these guys
>>103079893fair point, im not sure if i REALLY want any of the kalam boards available so ill save my money
Anyone with the IK75 wired(has QMK/VIA support) experiencing problems with settings resetting, keys getting swapped, and overall keyboard getting bricked(it works when I reflash the hex file at the qmk toolbox?
Should i get $15 switch and $10 keycaps for my 78 layout garbage wired keyboard i bought back in 2020 or should i just get a wireless keyboard with bluetooth and dongle for $25
>>103080610What even is your garbage wired kb and switches?
>>103080619Redragon pollux
I just bought a scissor switch board I don't know why
>>103080610A $25 prebuilt keyboard is almost guaranteed to be dogshit, but budget switches are actually pretty good these days, so if you put a little bit of work into modding your board you could end up with something quite nice.
What's better between gasket mount socks and gasket mount nipples (the small round drums or w/e), or what are the differences in feel/sound if subjective
>>103080680>Redragon pollux>hotswappableSwitches, because just in case the keeb itself breaks, you can still use the switches
i have $25 no lube or anything what screw in stabs do i get? poland
Any opinions on magnetic switches here?I don't have a KB with those yet, but I imagine having a 0.1mm (when settings it so low) travel distance for activation must quite nice for typing fast.> pic related, its a Keychron K2 HE Special Edition, which I'd get if you tell me those are the shit
>>103074568>this black retard still relevant after scamming and misleading with the mx purples
>>103083068Very short travel, creamy feel with a nice actuation bump at the bottom. I prefer white switches to purple, as they're just a bit more travel but they feel very similar to white switches. Purple switches have that tactile bump that white switches lack. If you like tactile switches but desire the creamy white feel, purple is the way to go. I just don't like the 3mm travel, it feels strange coming from the standard 5mm and I never could get used to it. That's just me being stuck in my ways. I have nothing negative to say though about purple switches. They're incredibly based.
whats a good 65% rec in current market, budget 200. kinda like the luminkey 65, is there something better?
>>103086483Do you have a strong opinion about the number of right-side modifiers? After I got a Tofu65 2.0, I don't think I can go back to only two right modifiers.
>>103079962>>103079893With the growth of Chinesium-Aluminium boards like the SK75, ND75, Rainy75, Bridge75, ect, ect, ect, I expect a lot of new people are getting into the hobby.Give these Chinese companies a few years and I'm sure they'll be making Kalam tier clones, or at least inspired design of higher end boards for similar prices, and they'll be avaialble on aliexpress instead of you needing to jump through Taobao shaped hoops.
>>103086659nah honestly don't even use themthe tofu is probably my 2nd choice, i'm not crazy about the colors available atm at kbdfans
>>103086709It's nice, but the case design is a bit plain with big flat side panels. It also feels like it weighs twice as much as a Bakeneko, in case you're thinking about carrying it around.
>>103086778yeah the case is a bit boringi was looking at the neo65 and then the product page disappeared and now im getting fomo on the boards left...is it common for boards to just disappear off the market for good?
>>103086861>is it common for boards to just disappear off the market for good?
>>103086861For higher end keyboard stuff, disappearing is the norm. Don't stress about fomo though, remember that the hobby is growing faster than ever, and newer (and better) boards will continue to come out every year.
>>103084263I'm currently using MX Silent Reds, so the travel is already only 3.7mm for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯The Keychron is using "Gateron Double-Rail Magnetic Nebula Switches" which happen to be purple. It is hot-swappable, though, but only for other "Gateron Double-Rail Magnetic Switches" apparently. Do you have any experience with those?Is there any good 60% ISO Keyboard with magnetic switches thats QMK compatible and hot-swappable? (and preferably has "floating keycaps") I only found the Keychron, but that's 75%.
>>103082397I don't know how much it costs in Poland or where to buy from, but I know if I had that much in the US I'd spend 15 on cherry clip-ins and 10 on lube
>>103086483I don't think you'll find a better prebuilt. Neo65 was also a good option but I think they aren't doing those anymore.Typface has an in-stock 65% with a macro column coming soonish, but it'll be over 200 plus shipping and that's just for the kit, not prebuilt. Still, felt I should mention it because I like my Typface board.>>103086861All products eventually disappear off the market for good, but yeah it happens pretty fast with keyboards. I doubt it's the last 65% Qwertykeys will ever do.
>>103074605get a glove80 instead. it's less expensive and also better in just about every way
>>103074568I got the cheapest fullsize mechanical keyboard with all the keys to learn blender. The things lights blink distractingly every time I hit a key. I hate it. You can change the setting of the LEDs but you have to do it every time you turn it on. Doesn't persist or start on a quiet setting. I just want them on all the time ( dim but enough to see the keys in the dark would be best ) and not blink gaudily or distractingly. Sigh. All backlit mechanical keyboards for a reasonable price seem to be that same keyboard under the hood.
>>103089846Also I have a ten word diceware password for decrypting my harddrive. Would be nice if this were not sniffable over the air by the feds. If I had a wire they would at least need a warrant to bad maid my arse
>>103089846You didn't spend enough money to buy the right to complain. Spend more money next time.
>>103089846Depends what you mean by reasonable.I know nothing about this board but it seems reasonable to me, plus it uses VIA so it should remember whatever lighting profile you set on it. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005411757430.html
>>103087223arent cherry clip ins ass?i can get tx aps for ~$25 and honestly i'm not sure if i shouldnt do that because i press space bar like 1000 times a day so maybe it's a good investment
>>103090192>arent cherry clip ins ass?Who said that?
How come there isn't at least one wireless model using 18650 or 14500 or whatever common enough battery format? Or heck, even fucking AAs. My shitty 2.4Ghz 1000 Hz polling rate Logitech G KB lasts 1.5-2 years with two AA. Why make us dependent on shitty chink LiPo battery packs that inevitably go to shit after 2 years. If they don't double in volume in the meantime, that is.I swear I have to DIY every fucking thing.
knobs are overrated and ugly
>>103090211idk manshow me a well tuned one and i might just get one >>103090309i dont know why would you want one i even have an audio interface i just never use the knob
>Planning to build a split 40%>Desk too high to rest keyboard and be ergo>Habb carpel tunnlel>Need to mount below (ikea) deskRam mounts? I don't want an ugly ass tray. Any suggestions?
>>103091205Get a desk that is height adjustable to be honest.
how much would you pay for a good condition ibm model m? is it actually comfy to use? my computer does have a ps/2 port
It's beautiful...
>>103086861>not getting your own PCBs printed by Chang
What should I look for in a soldering station that's for changing kb switches plus some other tech and retro vidya related stuff?
>>103092076Something with a modern tip where the heater and the tip itself are one piece. Not like the hakko 888D in other words. Look into the TS80P & its variants, pinecil, aixun T245, etc.
>>103092085thx>the heater and the tip itself are one piecewhy is that important?
>>103092397Separate heater + tip is just outdated tech. When I had an 888D it would take about 45 seconds to fully heat up. A modern soldering iron with a one piece tip can do that in about 3-4 seconds. Also means that when you actually apply heat to the thing you're soldering, the temperature isn't going to sag down as much. tl;dr - it's just a better way to do soldering irons.
Are mechanical keyboards a lgbt+ approved hobby?
Which one is better: a low profile alice keyboard or a split keyboard with normal switches and keycaps?
So I've been using the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 for about 10 years now but it has been discontinued for a couple of years.What's the best replacement you can think of?
>>103093652Goldtouch
>>103081335I'll get the switches after i try out goldtouch
what are good prebuilt keyboards i can just buy online?>Budget<400>Location (continent at least)europe>Preferred switch typesomething not loud, currently have Outemu Blue Box which is fine for me but people are complaining>LayoutISO>Form factor100% to 80%, i can sacrifice the numpad>Backlightdon't care, either is fine>Previous/current keyboardscurrently have a shitter Redragon - Mitra K551, pic related, it works finebasically anything basic that works, and won't take forever to deliver
>>103086696>hobbyThis isn't a hobby.
>>103074568Any idea where I can get the TEX Yoda II (with shipping within EU)?
>>103093841bro just get amazon basic at this point
>>103093699>Goldtouchok so that doesn't look anything as the microsoft's 4000
>>103093918why? i like mechanic ones, just need a more silent one
>>103093841see if you have keyboard stores with their own stock in your country if you want fast shippingwithin 400 I'd pick and choose my own barebones (via support at minimum) + switches + caps
Does low profile switches actually feel different? It looks like the difference is only half a centimeter
is there such a thing as a "silent" blue/brown switch? as in tactile but not loud
>>103093841>>103093987i may just go for a Keychron V6 with reds, would prefer browns for tactility but im afraid they will not be silent enough, it should be hotswappable so i think that means i can replace the switches later without soldering?
>>103094812not that exact one, found one with ISO with the big enter key, which i like
anybody tried the Boba U4 Silent Tactile Switch? from videos i've seen, seems more silent than a mouse, how do they feel?
Just buy a Filco and go home lads. Stop embarrassing yourselves like this.
>>103094944weird, it costs $100 in a normal shop, but $1000 on amazon for some reason
>>103094812linears still make sound when you hit the bottom, you'll need actual silents or other stuff like orings for actual silenceyes hotswap is legos but don't bend the pins
>>103094882They are fine but IMO, like most other silents, they feel mushy. I prefer the feel of silents like Haimu Whipsers, Lichicx Lucy have a similar mechanism for linears which seem popular.
>>103094812There's not much difference in sound between keychron reds and browns. Bottoming out sound dominates both. There's a variety of ways you can dampen the sound on the board. And yes, you can just swap out the switches easily due to the hotswappabilityBe sure to check which keychron site gets you the best offer, they have many euro sites with differing stock
>>103092471Well, we do have overpriced faggy stuff like keychron and we do use lube, sooooo...
>>103083698Hmm?
Are NIZ keyboards worth the price? I'm interested in Topre or topre-like but unsure if any of them including Leopold or Real Force would be worth it.
>>103093850In the context of people spending $600 for a Chinese clone of a board that would normally cost thousands? I would say that's clearly in hobby territory, it's no longer a tool at that point.
I don't usually participate in this shit as I really dislike the MKB community.I've had a Das Professional 4 (MX Browns) for the past decade. I want to get a keyboard with switches that are more silent but they're not membrane garbage. Currently I have some O-Rings to deafen the noise a bit (I bottom out like crazy when I type). What are some non-gay keyboards & switches (i.e. my budget is sub $200) that work here, I do not have a soldering iron. Keyboard needs to have a standard bottom row but can be TKL as I don't use numpad much anymore.
>>103096862Quieter than browns would require a silent switch, so get something like the silent cream yellows here. They're cheap, but cheap switches are getting good these days. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004669940336.htmlThen get a Keychron V3 or Keychron Q3 depending on how much you want to spend, pull out the switches and swap in the silent ones. Done. Might take 10 mins at most. If you were okay with a 75% instead of a TKL then I'd have said the SK75, Bridge75, or Rainy75 and do the same thing because those keyboards are a little bit nicer.
>>103097034Thank you for the reasonable response.Last time I asked about this a few years ago I was called a schizo because I wasn't willing to spend $500 or some shit or artisanal keycaps.
>>103097050Those people are getting rarer these days luckily, and the rise of cheap chinkshit means it's easier than ever to just get a decent keyboard.
does this make mechanical switches obsolete? except maybe blues
>>103097473For gaming maybe, but for typing or general use I don't see any real advantage.
>>103097473Hall effect switches have been around since the early '70s, so no. I wouldn't call hall effect switches 'not mechanical' either.
should i sell my unopened 65% and buy a 60% with that money?i think 60% looks better, but 65% has better usability, like with the home/end keys and delete key. yes im aware of le macros and idc for them
>>103098346Functionality always comes over aesthetics, otherwise you'll hate the keyboard and never use it.
>>103098346I find the difference between 60% and 65% to be like night and day. I used to use a Filco Minila while I was traveling (which was most of the time, back then) and the split spacebar Fn setup on those helps a lot, but I greatly prefer the flexibility of a modern 65% custom board, and a single extra column doesn't affect portability for me.
>>103098688>>103098783u guys are probably right, the few extra keys arent the worst thing ever. my biggest gripe with it is that i got it in white, shouldve gotten a black one but w/e
>>103096862could get a prebuilt monokei standard with silent reds, on sale right now for like $70. That's a pretty good plastic TKL. Shipping might make it a bit over 100, still a great price.Could also look at the Qwertykeys Evo80, another prebuilt but this one's aluminum. It doesn't have a silent option nor does it have a tactile option, but they come with lots of foams and they'll be quieter than a Daskeyboard4 with browns (I owned a Daskeyboard4 with browns for 8 years, I know intimately what they sound like).
>playing Call of Duty with my newly lubed with tribosys 3204, spring-swapped, and 0.15mm filmed cherry mx brown hyperglides on a full alu 96% half-gasket keyboard with alu plate and zinc internal weights>someone hears me pressing keys on mic>"Hey are those cherry blues I hear?">"Cherry browns, actually, I just fini—">"I knew it!"All our boards sound the same to normal people. It's over.
>>103098346I use a 75% keyboard
>>103098346>should i sell my unopened 65% and buy a 60% with that money?you should buy a 60% so unapologetically obscenely "luxury" (pricey) that you have no choice but to force yourself to get good with itGeonworks F2-60, for example. Or the ai03 Vector at Cannonkeys when they do their next flash sale (it was 50% off last time)copper-bottomed Luminkey LX 60 is already gone... ah, regrets...
>>103098346>looks betterare you going to look at it, or use it?
feeling very good right now for off-topic reason I won't get into. What keyboard should I buy to remember this special occasion
Hello!I'm going to build my first keyboard in the next couple of weeks, so I was looking up for a keyboard lube that I could get of off aliexpress, but I'm kinda unsure what I should get as I can't find many options.I was also hoping to get everything from aliexpress to save time and money, desu. The one I could find in my local store is a Glorious Switch Lube.Any help will be awesome.Thank you!
>>103101374I've never bought lube off Aliexpress, it seems like such an easy product to fake. I just don't trust it enough. I've never had any problems with all the other stuff I buy from there, but... it's China, I don't know. And besides that I haven't actually seen anyone selling 205g0 on there, searching for it turns up nothing.I don't know where you live but try to check some of the nearest online vendors of special keyboard stuff to see if any sell repackaged 205g0, 3mL is plenty for one keyboard
Gazzew Boba U4 RGB V2 for silent tactile, y/n?
>>103101675U4s are great silent tactiles, so sure.
>>103101675If you like rubber dome tactile silent then yes(similar to a thinkpad keyboard but with more distance on bottom out), How much though?
How much lube is needed for an 80% keyboard?
>>103101748Not much; 2mL of krytox is good for hundreds of switches.
>>103101748how far up your ass are you going to shove it?
>>103101150As a humble man, you should buy a Novice68 or Tester68 on Aliexpress
why the small keyboard meme? people just like looking at them?
>>103101990Depends what you mean by small. A 75% could look small to someone who's never seen one, but it's better for most users who rarely touch the numberpad. A 65% is basically the same thing but without the function keys, so it's fine if you don't use function keys very often.Any smaller and you start to lose important keys.
>>103101519Yeah, I did end up looking for 205g0, but couldn't find it in any of the stores I looked here. Unfortunately, we aren't really big on custom build keyboards, so I guess the only other option is to buy it from Amazon along other things, or eBay.Thanks, though!
V3 Silent Lemon, thinking of getting them, i think these are one of the most silent ones. but not tactile enough maybe?
What is the loudest, most satisfying mechanical keyboard out there? People buying quiet mechanical keyboards are just defeating the purpose entirely. I love me some click clack and I need a new keyboard.
>>103102284i'm a bit of a philistine and i can't tell that much of a difference in switches, but i've got a set of pic related a couple months ago and they're good. i got them specifically because they're tactile and some of the most silent. i dunno. they're good. there's like very little play between the normal undepressed state and when it collapses to actuate. there's not much slop if that makes sense, and there's enough resistance that i never fatfinger keys. they're pretty fucking quiet. if a friend asked me if i had a good silent tactile switch to recommend, i'd recommend these.
>>103102302something with a solenoid and zeal clickiez
>>103102284>>103102346actually i just remembered that they gave me a silent lemon in the bag with my silent yellows and i put it in my escape key. it feels like the lemon collapses easier. less force to actuate. it almost feels like there's a shelf in the lemon. like, there's a little bit of weaker force required to start the movement, then a hump you have to get over, and then it bottoms out. so i guess that means it's more tactile, i dunno. if i were to describe it, it's as if the tactile bump is basically immediately at the top of the keypress with the silent yellows, and maybe 25% of the way into the keypress with the lemons if that makes sense.i don't prefer it. you might prefer it but i like how it feels like there's no "slop" at the top of the silent yellows.soundprofile on both is pretty similar. the lemon is somewhat higher pitched and "ticky" to the yellows "tock". but it's so fucking minor i don't think i could do the pepsi challenge on it. for all intents and purposes i'd say they sound the same. the yellows sound like a pillow. muffled. soft sounding. there's something kind of mechanical sounding about the the lemons but the absolute volume is probably the same. i'm just talking about the flavor of the sound that they make.
>>103102346>>103102400cool, may get the silent yellows, looks even cheaper than the silent lemons, and darker sound is usually less annoying than higher pitcher for other people, even though i love blues but have a different keyboard for that
>>103102466the sound is really damn close. i mean fuck i might be imagining it i dunno. biggest difference is that there's a little bit of pre-travel before the bump on the lemons, and there isn't really any that i can detect with the yellows. but, the yellows are a bit stiffer. i like it, i mean it's not like it's exhausting to type on or anything. i dunno they're both good but i prefer how the yellow ones feel. watch more videos and see what others have to say but these ones were a good choice for me.
>>103102284I've tested out the silent peach, silent lemon and the silent cream yellow. In my opinion the silent cream yellow is the best, it's noticeably tactile but far from a modern hypertactile switch. Feels satisfying to type on and not mushy. The silent lemons are okay, I don't dislike them and they're a little quieter than the cream yellows, but they don't feel as good to type on in my opinion due to the bump being further down. And lastly the silent peach. It's a linear and I'm not really a linear guy so I'm not the best person to review it, so yep I can say it's a linear. Probably feels great if you lube it and put some work in. >>103102400I did the exact same thing, put it in my escape key and managed to break it with a switch puller when I tried to take it out.
>>103102509>>103102526seems like the difference between cream yellow, and yellow jade, is that the cream ones may come pre-lubbed? very similar otherwise
>>103102551i'm >>103102400and i think they might be the same except the translucent housing on the jades. like, i'm pretty sure that was the only reason i went with the jades over the cream yellows, because of better LED transmission. could be wrong.
>>103102551>>103102564I'm image banned at work so I can't post anything, but they use the exact same force graph for these two listings https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006263528658.htmlhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007554856075.htmlSo I assume they're the same.
what kinda keycaps look good with a white keyboard?shoulda gotten a black one
>>103103462black + white? or white + any meme color you like, usually looks good keeping it mostly white with one other color highlights
>>103103462If you want to spend a bit more, I think Osume have some very nice looking keycaps for white keyboards. But for clones, I think 9009, Dolch Light and Botanical all look good.
>>103103462I like the look of WOB on white, the keyboard simulator is also useful for this kind of thing: https://keysim.vercel.app/
>>103102353>zeal clickiezwhy arent more people talking about this? it looks like the best clicky mx switch ever made
>>103102302A new model F with a zinc case is very loud, but the click itself is kind of sludgy and there's quite a lot of spring ping and case ringing, so I would say there's a lot of sound quantity but disappointing quality. When there are problems, troubleshooting tends to be much less straightforward than an MX switch-based board. Unicomp model Ms are similarly loud and are less likely to require troubleshooting, but the thin plastic case leaves something to be desired.The best switch sound I've heard recently is Kailh clicky Box switches (click bar), but I don't have a particular kit to recommend if you want something impressively loud. People have positive things to say about some modern click leaf switches, but I have no experience with them to offer a comment for you.
>>103103536>https://keysim.vercel.app/thanks a lot for this>>103103507>>103103533im gonna get a 1800 keyboard in white (necause thats the only colour it comes in) and gonna do all white keycaps with it. i have another white keyboard that i think ill just get the navy gmk dots for
>>103102284hardly tactile at all, similar to mx brown, but very short travel.They feel like a mini squishy toy kawaii version of an mx brown, including the scratch. And the bottom-out is mushy. For me this was a disappointing switch.Lichix raw big bump silent tactiles are the ones I like to shill, I think divinikey still has some. They feel fantastic, almost like rubber domes. Nice sharp rubbery bottom-out that's still pretty quiet.
>>103105277A mushy, gay, mx brown is probably the most accurate description of that switch that I've seen. It looks like it would taste nice though.
>>103074568never post this nigger here again
how are you supposed to know what switch to but when there are a million options?
>>103107035you aren't supposed to know
>>103107035just buy reds, browns and blues, check which you like, then branch from there
>>103107035you just buy the hhkb and never get another keyboard
>>103107035cherry mx black lubed filmed and spring swapped
>>103106995>a mushy, gay, mx brownand short*, that's important. it's 3.2 or 3.3mm or something like that, very different from what you'd expect from a brown.Something about being stopped short of the full travel you're expecting, AND it's mushy—it feels bad.>>103103813because even if you wait for their frequent 40% off sales it's still the most expensive switch around. And it feels really weird to type on, too tactile for me. The tactility is sharp and right up at the top, it feels like punching through a thin sheet of ice to make each keystroke.
>>103107035Pick one that sounds cool and work from there
>>103107700>The tactility is sharp and right up at the top, it feels like punching through a thin sheet of ice to make each keystroke.that sounds like a cathartic experience. hope they restock asap
>>103107869Does "catharsis" sound like something that should happen 100 times per sentence?
>>103107923yes
what are some cheap (heavy-ish) linears?
>Shitty day at the factory>Wife is fucking with the delivery man while you're working, your kids hate you>Coworkers are dicks>Boss want better productivity because the Party want better cooked numbers to show Emperor Xi>Chang is barely keeping it together, inevitably fucks up and put the wrong paint in the dedicated slot>nobody will ever know the switches have the wrong color
>>103107932whatever linears you already have + heavy springs (~$7)
>>103101920hmm well what if I'm a snob with an unlimited budget
>>103108715Unlimited budget goes a long way, but I would probably get a Neo75 Cu if you want to buy something today
>>103108115shut up
>>103109204He's not wrong. You could also look at gat ink black, epsilons, h1 linear, and some others I'm sure I'm forgetting. Not sure how available they all are though.
>>103074568>https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list>https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.comAm I on 4chan or on Reddit? Why does the general have generic sites with bad deals, instead of a genuine pastebin with actual recommendations and the cheapest places to get them?
any tips to make a white keyboard turn yellowish?
>>103112122cumstains?
>>103112122take up smoking
>>103111334Because any pastebin would just be a direct copy of that list of vendors, so it would be pointless.
the ants have infested my keyboard again
>>103112554which resident evil enemy are you
>>103074568Is that Urkel?
Achieved more than every poster on /g/ put together, and they didn't need a numpad, function keys, or arrows.
>>103113720Oh yeah? Well I bet I could alt f4 a page faster than both of them!
our honest opinion on the alice layout?
>>103114449stupid, just get a split
I'd love to get a Keychron V6, but I hate the OSA keycaps and the non-standard legends. Thing is, it's impossible to find a bog standard set of WOB OEM Cherry keycaps, as for some dumb fucking reason manufacturers are allergic to making something that's traditional, they have to quirk it up like a bunch of faggots. Just about every WOB set I've seen that was almost perfect had to fuck it up by putting mathematical multiply and division signs on the numpad for no fucking reason.Seriously, I fucking despise how this entire market has an aversion to delivering a product that is Classic+ and they HAVE to fuck it up somehow. I want keycaps that look like picrel, painfully traditional, no math signs, no camera icon on PrtSc/SysRq, just the same shit that existed since the 70's, I want a sleeper mech if that makes sense, looks bog standard but has all the modern niceties underneath like NKRO, switch hot swap and all that. Bonus points if I'd manage to source matching NumLock/CapsLock/ScrollLock keycaps with a south facing LED window to program that in QMK, since not putting standard three status LED's in the top right corner is another one of those aversions so I'd prefer for them to just be gone altogether.
>>103114554buy normal keycaps in china for $10 and switch them?
>>103114554>OEM Cherry keycapswhich profile are you looking for, OEM or Cherry?
>>103114577>normal keycapsShow me them. None of them are fucking normal, every single one of those insipid faggots have to fuck up the legends in some retarded way.>>103114601I honestly have no clue what's the difference, I want a mech board that looks like a plain 2000's office keyboard, full standard ANSI, no funky shapes, colors or legends, but has all the modern guts, so NKRO, switch hot swap, QMK/VIA and so on. Extra macro keys like the ones on the V6 are welcome, even if that'll mean I'll need to source extra top row keycaps.Frankly, the V6 is the closest to an acceptable base for me, the C2 Pro annoys me even more. I do not use a Mac, I don't need LED's like this, I want a NumLock, CapsLock and ScrollLock LED's, not more, not less. If that's impossible, have them gone and use the RGB backlight with QMK for status LED's. I hate that this market is apparently so robust, yet no one can offer the sort of product I want, even though it's not extravagant by any means, literally keeping the old ANSI standard and upping the guts, that's all I ask for.
>>103114653This set looks perfect to me, almost idental to your pic and it's OEM profile.
>>103114653buy a cheap old keyboard and cannibalize it for keycaps
>>103114944what's the plane do?
>>103114958Airplane mode of course, it's for when you want to bring your entire PC tower and a full sized keyboard on a quick flight.
>>103114944Not exactly but it's an acceptable level of faithfulness. Could use more descriptive legends on Print Screen/Scroll Lock/Pause Break and a regular menu key instead of an Fn key, but, whatever, looks fine. Assuming they're not actually glossy like the renders make them out to be.I'd still need to look for extra blank keycaps on the macro keys though. Also I could see finding matching fonts for those see-through Caps Lock/Num Lock/Scroll Lock keycaps becoming a nightmare. I don't know why no manufacturer will just make exactly that kind of matching set with extra keys, seems like a no brainer. Plainest standard legends, modern quirky alternatives and matching see-through keycaps for indication.
blank keycaps, y/n? can i write on them with a sharpie? or will it just smudge my fingers?
>>103115054Yes. No. Yes.
>>103115054You could get something like these, write on the middle bit and then cover it up with plastic so it stays. No idea what the quality is like, but that's half the fun of ordering stuff from China.
White magnetic switches are super comfy bros!
Aaaa 11.11 is in a few days, I need a 75 - TKL keeb, metal case, retro look but clean white. Preferably with some marble-sounding silent switches like hyacinths or ice cream cone. And they ship to Serbia. HELP
the kinesis advantage 360 is $430.. why are keyboard companies such scammers
>>103116980I can build you a dactyl for considerably less than that.
>>103116994that looks like unpolished DIY slop..
>>103117000It's not. I've been using the PCBs I've designed for a while now.
>>103117006im probably going to buy the advantage 360 regardless but it’s fucking overpriced
>>103117020Well option's always there in case you want to spend $100 less on something that's better.
Neo65 is available and on sale at qwertkeys, they're extra cheap now
>>103114449I think it's nice>>103114530but yeah, also this
>>103116525Why can't knob keyboards have delete, insert, home, pgup, pgdown, and end. 1 or 2 seems to be always missing.
>>103117125I want it, but I just bought a new keyboard. I can't buy another before it even shows up, that would be unreasonable...
>>103114653>I hate that this market is apparently so robust, yet no one can offer the sort of product I want, even though it's not extravagant by any meanskek, literally me as well. You get so many options, and even incredible customization that should offer limitless possibilities, and yet despite this, there isn't the product I want, even though the needs are nothing special. Happens to other products as well. The worst feelings is when the needs are flat-out standard shit that were, well, standard and common in a not distant past, and can't be found anymore in any recent product. And thus, I came to understand why boomers are always angry. Probably because I'm becoming one as well.
>>103114449it seems to be popular layout for girls in the community. whereas guys seem to like traditional layouts like tkl, 75 or 65%. i have two trans coworkers also into mech keyboards. one of them owns a moonlander, the other owns an ortho split which i do not recognize.
>>103118565>girls in the community>girls
>>103117020>>103116980Get the glove80. it’s better and not quite as expensive. https://www.moergo.com/ The imprint is apparently also an excellent option but I can’t personally recommend it because I don’t have one https://cyboard.digital/
>>103112122leave it in the sun for a long timemostly depends on the type of plastic used to make the shell. probably better if you just find a shade you're going for, take the keeb apart and paint the chassis.
>>103100270>lubed with tribosys 3204, spring-swapped, and 0.15mm filmed cherry mx brown hyperglides on a full alu 96% half-gasket keyboard with alu plate and zinc internal weights>they can still hear you pressing keys through your micngmi
>>103074568wont be buying whatever this black is selling me
>>103108715then buy more keyboards
>>103093850yes it is.
>>103109080>75%No chance.>>103119641great idea
>>103093850it meets all the criteria for a hobby. you obtuse disingenuous retard. collecting keyboards, using various tools and modifications to alter, swap out parts, achieve certain preferences in various aspects. building keyboards from scratch which involved soldering, wiring, programming, potentially woodworking, metalworking, 3D printing, dyesub printing, and so on. it's the same type of shit as making model kits, or painting miniatures except it actually has a practical use case as the end result.it's as much of a hobby as you want it to be. not a hobbyist toward keyboards? then don't be. buy one and type on it, the end.
i wanna see your guys' keyboard collectionbonus points if you have some cool lore about any particular board you own.
>>103119722You can get this instead then
>>103117214>nav keysI agree>InsertShit can go
>>103119800Can't be fucked taking pics, got a Dell AT101W, NEC PC-8801 keyboard, Leading Edge DC-2214, OmniKey 101, Acer KB-101A, 2 Acer Switch boards I can't remember the name of, AEK II (3 actually, 2 are in rough shape), Pingmaster, Model F XT, Model F 122, like 5 Keychrons, a Nuphy 75%, Monsgeek, 2 Leopolds, a 5131C, Realforce R3, a board from MK manufactured by Ducky, a Logitech G910 and this old Razer with MX Browns from several years ago.Don't really have any lore off the top of my head. Maybe just stating that I think I'd have been content sticking with just my old Logitech board before delving as deep as I have over time into this shit, even though I like most of the boards I own.
>>103116980To elaborate on>>10311955>Kinesis AdvantageIf you want an ergonomic keyboard, you should get one with customizable firmware because stuff like home row mods and layers is very important for being comfy. So the Kinesis Advanage is out of the question. (You could go for the advangage 360 pro, but it's even more expensive. I have no idea why Kinesis charges so much)>Glove80I claim that this keyboard is better than the KA360 in just about every way. It has more keys, has a better thumb cluster design, has a low profile, lets you load your own ZMK firmware, is designed with portability in mind and still manages to be less expensive. I got one and I really like it.>ErgohavenI haven't tried them but they seem like a good budget option. The keywell keyboards (Velvet V3, High Plains Drifter) are very competitively priced ($250 with minimal usable config, less if you supply your own switches and caps) and have hotswap switch sockets. They have fewer keys than the KA360 but this is okay if you're willing to either learn their layer setup or use your own (you can load your own firmware or use Via configurator). I'd look into them if I were you>Cyboard imprintThis comes with hotswap switches and is even fitted to the shape of your hand. However, it's pretty expensive and options (like having a trackball) drive up the price even higher, and it takes like 5 weeks to ship. Man I love eyefucking the imprint on their website but maybe it's not the best budget option.
>>103120249can't be fucked reading all thati said let me SEE your keyboards
>>103120529seems we're at an impasse then
What's a good and not too expensive mechanical keyboard with numpad and without LED faggotry?
>>103120207>>Insert>Shit can goi need shift+insert for vim to paste in the command bar
>>103094064short key travel feels great to me and its very noticeable, but I'm used to using thinkpads for over a decade
>>103120703the cheapest hotpluggable you can find in china
>>103096398Niz is okay, but lower build quality than real topre in Realforce/HHKB and not much cheaper, however Niz does support QMK, which the Japs refuse to
>>103120717wtf does that mean? name a specific model please
I'm looking for a mechanical keyboard with the following features:>hotswappable switch>low profile switches>silent switches>switch compatible with cherryMX keycaps>size 1800>wired(usb-c)/wireless/dual mode>not necessarily backlit>no knobs or other useless crapAdvice? I currently have a Sharkoon SGK3 with Gateron Brown and after years, some switches have gone, like the TAB key...I was aiming for the Keychron V5 QMK, can I find better, maybe even at better prices? The layout is not important, just change the set of keycaps
>>103117924what I don't understand is the endless masturbation over MX switches and shitty qwerty layouts/cases/sounds. Your gaterchong POM cum resistant prelubed prostate tactiles aren't that special nor are they worth the price.
>>103120207I need to shift insert some stuff periodicallyt. webshitter
>>103117214Fn+home... How often do you use the insert key? Only time I've ever pressed it was by accident and I needed to make it be normal again when typing. Most obnoxious key ever created. It should have always been a key combo.
>>103120709You could rebind it to ctrl+p or something>>103120791Why not Ctrl+v? I'm a webshitter too and didn't even know about shift insert
>>103120791>PeriodicallyIt's a simple key combination. Having it be it's own dedicated button is obnoxious as fuck. 99% of the time it's ever hit is accidentally, requiring the user to hit it 2 more times to get it back to normal.
>>103120737bvmp
>>103120791You can always map the "mute" function to insert if it means that much to you. If you want those keys get the 8bitdo keyboard. It has sovl. I dislike clicky keys and insert isn't a huge thing for me.
>>103120979NTA but Insert is how I select files in OFM's like Total Commander and mc, so I use it a lot. Same with PgUp/PgDn for directory navigation. I need standard ANSI with that key block intact for efficient work, but keyboard designers seem to know better and fuck it up as they see fit since they only use their web browser and nothing more.
>>103120737Nuphy has what you're looking for friend. Nuphy air96. It's a bit spendy. The air 60 is also nice if you don't want the keypad. Keypads are bloat anyway. The air comes with the white magnetic creamy switches and they're low profile. Purple switches can be low profile as well. Both are extremely short in their actuation. They feel surreal to type on. Best buy has them on display if you live near one.
>>103121043See>>1031210318bitdo has your back, but I would buy some creamy switches and swap them. The clicky clacky of red switches bugs me.
>>103121085In other words, that anon wants a standard TKL (ANSI sans numpad) with a knob, something like a Keychron V3. Personally I use the numpad as well and I don't have a use for a keyboard knob so a knobless Keychron V6 would be more fitting.
Is keychron a good brand?
>>103121851everybody has one here, but nobody will admit it
>>103121880So it is good then, at least better than mass brand shit like logitech?
Is the quality difference between a Mchose GX87 and a Neo80 worth the extra money?
>>103121075>180€fuck no!
>>103121905it's but overpriced, but not overpriced enough that it let's you sneer at poorfags
how bad of an idea is it to buy an used keyboard from fb marketplace?
>>103121880>nobody will admit itI talk about my V6 Max all the timestill waiting for someone to try my gasket mod and tell me it worked
>>103123194depends on how you feel about other men's cum
>>103124577shut up bitch nobody does that
>>103125245some men edge fully nude and sometimes there are accidents
>>103125277ill buy from a girl then, u fucking nerd
>>103124577Happened to me anonGod forbid ever again
>>103125245not cum in the keybord directly, but use the keyboard with cummy hands
>>103123194If you're paranoid just wipe the thing down with alcohol first.
>>103121851Keychron is always the first recommendation here whenever someone is asking for some specific layout or has weird requirements, because it’s just a solid brand and their boards are good. If you want a common layout though like an ansi 65% or 75% then you can get better products for less money.
>only keyboards i've bothered using were amazon basics>finally decide to get a EPOMAKER x Aula F75 since its decently cheap>it arrives>type on it>hearing it gives me asmr tinglesaw shucks
>>103125529>If you want a common layout though like an ansi 65% or 75% then you can get better products for less money.Looking for a 75-80% like pic related, don't care about the knob
weird question but i bought a prebuilt luminkey65 and the caps came like sort of not pressed down all the way (now i see why some of the pics/videos from reviews looked like the keys sat high relative to the case), i just pressed some of them back down and they sit like a millimeter lower than the other ones.any idea why it would have come like this, are you not suppose to press them down all the way, is this common on prebuilt boards?
>>103125939The exact answer depends on what country you're in since the prices can fluctuate a little, but the Womier SK75, Bridge75, Rainy75 are all around $100 and have the same features as Keychron Q series boards (so wireless, via, hotswap, aluminium)And for TKL keyboards there's the Galaxy80 and GX87, but those two boards don't have via support but use their own software. Then you can either spend the remaining $100ish that you saved on drugs, or get some fancy switches or keycaps.
>>103126241 (me)Oh I almost forgot the ND75, which doesn't have via but it does come with a stupid little screen on the side of it. It's a silly gimmick but I'll mention it anyway, because dumb gimmicks like that can be cool sometimes.
>>103126032Honestly it just sounds like the factory didn't do a good job of pushing the keycaps down. I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to push the keycap down so it's fully seated.
>>103126241>GX87There's a variant up on the mchose website now for preorder that works with via
>>103125658I still haven't got an F75 yet, but it seems incredibly good for how cheap it is. The only thing I've seen people complain about is the software.
spilled beer on my pok3r and it shows no signs of life.I gave it a ISO bath and let it dry, it worked once and now it's back to dead.what's my course of action here? I ordered a replacement, but I want to fix this turd if it's possible.
>>103126553Try more iso but with a soft brush. Try to remove any visible issues. If that doesn't work, you could get a new pcb. If that doesn't work, you'll have to get a new pcb. If you haven't done any soldering before then working on a dead keyboard is a good place to start.
>>103126553rip bro, i still have my old dead pok3r. i ended up just buying a new one and deciding the dead one would be a future revival project. nothing to contribute to your endeavor other than good luck, hope you can fix it. damn good keyboard. o7
thought i would share today's e-waste rescue with you guys.
>>103126553Just replace the pcb with a hotswap one. Desolder the switches and reuse the nice heavy plate. Bonus qmk.https://kprepublic.com/products/bm60-rgb-poker-60-gh60-hot-swap-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb-program-qmk-underglow-type-c
>>103126931cha ching
>>103127298Nice. Just gotta clean out those caps.
>>103126931Now THAT'S a kino Enter key. Not the tiny faggy shit that's standard these days, terrible.
>>103127316i know they are nasty as fuck, just testing it first to see if all the keys work and what black alps feel like since i haven't tried them. i have aek with white alps for comparison.>>103127330i do like the layout except im immediately disoriented by the lack of a super key when typing, and idk if its just the condition of it and age, but it's fucking brutal to type with atm, every keystroke feels heavy, the keys too far apart, and a sluggishness to it. almost like my typewriter. might just need cleaning and lube. the spacebar is also pinging and rattling, need to fix
undressed
>>103126241I am in the US, but nvm, will get a K8 Max
>>103127487bath time
>>103127675Save the water when you're done, it's vintage.
>>103127629If you haven't bought it yet, I would heavily recommend the V3 Max instead of the K8 Max. The V3 hotswap verison is cheaper than the K8 hotswap, and paying $15 extra for hotswap is well worth it. >>103126931I wish I could find good e-waste to rescue... whenever I look I just find shitty $5 membrane keyboards
this is now a guts thread (yes those are dead bugs)
we don't take bath time lightly
>>103127981>dead bugsThe crunch adds tactile feedback, let them stay
I just had to type on someones Razer keyboard with green clicky switches and his WASD keys were so worn out that they didn't even click, also they were borderline linear in feel. The worst part is that I actually almost liked how those worn out switches felt. Dunno what to do with this information but I feel like I had to tell someone.
>>103128077Now I want to see the end result on this.
>>103128282took a break to make some dinner and let everything dry out, will resume in a bit
>>103128351Godpseed anon.
>>103120993It doesnt werk using Git bash, I use windows use if thats relevant. Do you use some other terminal? >>103120979>>103121031The knob button feels like shit to press, guess I'm giving up and binding delete to fn+home since I don't really use it that often
>>103127298>>103127981Acer switches are neat. They're spring over membrane, obviously based on Alps, except you can easily access every single switch's internals in a matter of a minute or two, as shown in that bug pic.A really cool design that unfortunately/fortunately hasn't had much of a use in the space now, as most newer switches are more dust resistant, but still cool nonetheless from an ease of cleaning perspective.
placed an gb order for this a few weeks ago... hope i dont get fucked over this time! on another note, would gmk maroons go well with this? cant decide on the keycaps set
im trying to bind my caps lock key in via to function as caps lock when tapped, and FN when held down. i've always used LT(1, KC_CAPS) to do this. however when i tap the key it sends space. anyone have any experience with this, im fearing firmware is half baked and the LT function is hardcoded to ignore whatever keycode i put in and just send space (since LT(1, KC_SPACE) is a native binding in via)
>>103128920>€429.99https://kbdfans.com/products/pbtfans-count-dracula
>>103129138>PBTfans keycaps>material: ABSThis will never not be funny.
>>103128624>It doesnt werk using Git bashIn linux terminals I either press the scroll button or use the context menu
finished putting it back together, feels much better to type with now, could still use some lube or something i think. overall not a huge fan of these switches but cool board nonetheless, was fun cleaning it up. i found two hair pins, one staple, and a couple bodies. between the bath and hydrogen peroxide soak i used sanded/buffed out some of the bigger scuffs with a mini dremel. broke a piece of plastic off for some the rails on a key but super glued it back on, spilling glue all over myself in the process burning up my fingers. used the dremel to sand off the glue layers from my skin.
>>103129275Nicely done.
>>103126279Hipyotech is that you?>>103126241And which of these sounds the best?
>>103130183>>103126279If it is Hpyotech I just want to say fuck you faggot. You are everything wrong with keyboard consumerism today and provide little to no value. Fuck you. If not I hope you have a nice day anon.
>>103130183No, I’m Glarses. Buy my switches. As for which one sounds the best… all of these are basically the same keyboard but with slightly different budget switches and slightly different foam, so I honestly think you should just pick based on aesthetics. If I had to pick based on sound alone I’d probably go with the Rainy75? But I like the SK75 a lot as well.
nobody told me reds were this creamy, i fell for the tactile meme and loved the blues, now hove silent yellow jades on the way from china, but may get redpilled on the reds in the meanwhile...
Bruv
is it just me, or did my boba u4 lose its tactility after getting used to it? The first time that I used it the bump was more sharp
>>103131379There's nothing sharp about U4Ts or Pandas or any of their clones though?
>>103131379Just sounds like you acclimated to it. Try out mx browns and you'll instantly realize how shit their tactility is in comparison.
>>103131379turn into a bluechad
>>103130343Where I live It would cost me 150$ for a Rainy from Ali to arrive in January, but I like TKL more, and the Mchose GX87 would cost 200$ with taxes and shipping, is it worth it?
>>103133771$200 seems a bit high, is taxes + shipping actually doubling the price? It's also worth checking out the mchose website since they've got an upgraded version of the GX87 on there for around $100, maybe that one will ship at a more reasonable price. As for whether it's worth it, people would have paid over $200 for these a few years ago. Still worth looking around a bit to see if you can find it cheaper somewhere though.
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>>103135546THANKS CHANG
>>103134906Yeah on Mchose's website, 89$ for the keeb, 58$ shipping, and 20% VAT + 10% customs tax thats another 50$Any other good recommendations for TKLs (or 75s) that I can look at that maybe have a better deal? I can get a Mchose K99 on Ali for like a 100$ and the build quality looks good but kinda too modern for me.
>Budget300 USD, would rather not spend the entire budget>Location (continent at least)North America>Preferred switch typeNone in particular but the Gateron G Pro Yellows that I currently use are perfectly fine>LayoutANSI>Form factorTKL>BacklightDon't really care>Previous/current keyboardsOnly used standard membrane keyboards and a Voxtex Multix that I'm moving away from. I'm looking at the V3 Max but I'm open for suggestions, I don't plan on hot swapping or anything of the sorts
>>103135546When does this expire? Don't they have a sale on 11.11?
>>103136046Well here's an idea, the Inky75 from the elecfox store. It's basically just an SK75, like literally the same keyboard and made in the same factory. Typically I don't talk about it since the shipping makes it not worth it over the usual recomendations for most people, but in your case it might be worth considering. >>103136075The GX87 is probably your best bet for a prebuild keyboard if you don't want to mess around with building your own. Has the features of a Keychron Q series board but closer to the price of a V series one. Get it from their website instead of aliexpress, since most of the aliexpress ones don't have via support.
>>103136075Go get a secondhand frog tkl. This dude is selling one for $260 without keycaps. Haggle down to 240 or something and get some caps off ali.https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/1gl4vrs/usmi_h_neo80_keychron_q8_built_frog_tkl_niz_plum/
>>103138391So shiny...
>>103138391Vapor smoothed or manually polished?
>>103138391I have a KB with shit keys where the paint is falling apart. Is there any lacquer/product/whatever I can put on these keys that will preserve the paint? Like for wood parquet flooring.
>>103136416Yeah sadly they don't ship to my country either :(((
>>103138391Hsa right?
>>103130749I love mine.
>>103119399well in this thread it might not be the case, but in more broadly accessible clusters of people interested, women being into keyboards has been a matter of desirability among hobbyists, since the point practically where keyboard content on youtube switched from 95% typing tests, to the point where influencers and channels centered around the channel owner as a personality became more or less the main talking point and attraction for people newly becoming interested in keyboards. it went from being something that was in the same tier as things like ham radio and rc toys, into an entirely unlikened to its former image--a chic, quirky, yet popular burgeoning interest, where the community soon became composed largely of teenagers and college students whose similar came often to include stuff like boba tea, photography and sneakers. this shift arguably co-occurred with that of places like internet forums and culture along side it, where it used to be something largely occupied by young men in a world virtually entirely unaware/uncaring of their concerns and activities, to something a knowingly false caricature of its former self, undeterred by lacking in organic authenticity. it might be comparable to a contrast between forms of music like jazz and the blues, in relation to something like pop music.and that's where girls come in. something that would have been sneered at 15 years in the past by an individual, would be something that, when made much more accessible to them, and catering to them, holding them up on a pedestal as some living fashion statement and underdog, it becomes something of a bragging point, like a gold watch or a versaci hand bag. that's what makes it worth developing interest in. it's become something popularized. where before it was something cool because it was uncharted territory, now it's something that mimicks that and tries to emulate that notion, oftentimes fraudulently, and gets away with it. im such a nerd
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