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Brehs, found used a used store in my country 6900xt for ~250bux, 3090 ~290bux, 7900xt for ~320bux. Will I get my kidneys stolen if I go? Also found really sweet deals on am4, am5 processors and motherboards.

>>103094802
Probably a front for human trafficking desu
Bring a friend for safety

>>103094802
>Will I get my kidneys stolen if I go?
Which country? We can't tell you if we don't know the risks.

>>103094816
Then they'll just get 2 free slaves instead of 1.

>>103094824
>>103094816
>>103094827
Jeetland. Bruh, I want them deals, the am4 processors and boards they have is pretty cool. I would love to buy one for a nas build.

>>103094802
That's probably a recruitment office of the US Army.

>>103094838
>Jeetland
Hm...
Could be a coinflip, but you'll probably be scammed in some way.

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>7700x only about 60 dollars more expensive than the 7600x
should I still go for the 7600x? Wanna upgrade my pc to a 1440p machine, but i can't justify spending close to 500 for the 7800x3d or the 9800x3d.

>>103094888
Nice trips, I'm gonna take my friend with me and go in person to check it out.

>>103094899
depends on current GPU.
1440p is 1080p with performance upscaling.

>>103094899
forgot to mention the 7700x is 270 on amazon right now, not its 400 mrsp
>>103094903
gonna be pairing it with a 4070 ti

>>103094901
That's the smart thing to do, I hope it turns out to be true.

>geekerwan reviews arrow lake
>calls lion cove shit
>says they should've released a 32 skymont core cpu instead
The chink is right, p-cores are garbage and they should've gone full e-core in the lineup. Too bad they gotta shill their big.little garbage.

>>103094916
>gonna be pairing it with a 4070 ti
I was gonna delete that post because I just realized you were talking about CPU's not the 7600 XT.
Honestly any CPU is fine for gaming, but the CPU cores matter more for productivity work like video encoding or compiling or whatever.
If you are a schizo you could even go for a 8600g for a completely useless IGPU that has the same performance as the steamdeck, it runs cyberpunk at a cinematic 30fps at 720p, that's pretty good considering that's it's above the VRR minimum fps for most monitors.

I’m retarded and asked this question last thread before realizing that this thread was made so apologies: I just got more info from a seller on marketplace about their used 3090s (MSI Ventus x3 for $500 and gaming trio for $600). He said they were used for ETH mining for 12 months on an open air rack and undervolted/underclocked. Are these good deals? I’m not sure how hard 12 months of ETH mining is on a card.

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Does anyone have a PCI-e GPU bracket like this? How well do these work against sagging? My GPU has a rather hefty cooler and I'm afraid of it ending up with a cracked PCB like the ones in those Northwest Repair videos.

https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-GPU-Graphics-RTX3090-309EZ-Black/dp/B09466LNV3/

Noctua is the only company that gives you a case badge with their cooler, therefore I will be getting a noctua cooler

>>103095053
Corsair does too

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>>103094956
*I should add, it depends how much you care about reaching high FPS's on AAA games like cyberpunk. if you spend 2x more on the CPU, you might get 2x more FPS in certain games. Not all of them however, in some cases the games run like 1.5x faster.
The 8600g is somehow cheaper than a 7600x but it includes a crazy IGPU and runs about the same speed when you add a GPU to it.
It does yoink 8 pcie lanes, but the problem is that gen pcie gen 4 is so fast it doesn't really affect anything, maybe multi-gpu AI training? (it is worth checking with your motherboard, for example if you bought the 4060 TI with the nvme slot, the nvme slot won't work because of the 8600g, I think?)

>>103094983
Depends on how many GPUs they were running on the rack and how much power each used. It also depends on if this was 24 hour mining. Generally though, it's not an insignificant amount and can wear GPUs down pretty quickly. The undervolt/underclock thing sounds like they're trying to make it seem not as bad to make a sale, and a 3090 going for less than half the price... that's a huge red flag, to me anyway. Dunno how marketplace works as I don't buy used. Assuming it's local, I'd ask if you could meet in person and stress test the GPU.

>>103095053
>gives you
ur payin for it but whateva mane

>>103095053
Don't forget anon, its just a block of metal that keeps your cpu cool. Thermalright and Deepcool are kinda killin it.

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is 1080 ti the latest best card with just raw power without logical shenanigans and jewish tricks implemented?

>>103095222
6900 XT
it technically has RT cores but they don't really do much

>>103095230
thanks anon. I'm look to replace my lovely gtx 980 but can't decide how to find a pure gpu. I don't know this new ai stuff or emotional things, but I don't like how they sound.

>>103094899
>>103094956
Depends one the type of games you play. Large strategy games benefit from the extra two cores, FPS games not so much.

>>103095270
based retard luddite

>>103095053
> case badge
You don't glue a stolen mercedes benz star to your case?

>>103095270
i agree with you, if i could buy a GPU with no RT or AI cores i would be very happy

>>103095270
Get 4080s or 7900xtx anon if you want mid, for budget 7900gre.

Damn, somebody accidentally released 9800x3d review

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>>103095270
>I'm look to replace my lovely gtx 980
kek

>>103095298
its looks disappointing. if they compared it to 7800x3d its would be even more disappointing.

What is happening to global foundries?

>>103095323
sold to saudi arabia

>>103095323
I think they mostly made money off of the 14nm & 10nm nodes, but their customers are moving on to more advanced processes sooner than they anticipated.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21266/globalfoundries-clients-are-migrating-to-sub10nm-faster-than-expected

why dont reviewers mention dxvk in their benchmarks? its straight up major fps boost for a lot of games.

>>103095270
Consumer Ai stuff is rather firmly desktop 4090 or 3090 because the other AI cards with more vram cost 40k+ and system RAM is slow plus intel and amd have shitty software support. You can make do with a 16gb 4080.

>>103095027
Try gigabyte's native gpu bracket

How hot do radiators get? I’ve got my cpu power cable right up to my radiator, is that fine?

should i just get a preowned 7800x3d for 380$? tired of WAITING

>>103095431
the coolant temp can get up to 45-50c. so the radiator will be cooler than that.

>>103095298
LINK? LINK? LINK?

why is the 285K out of stock

>>103095096
This is on Facebook Marketplace. Looks like they had about 6 or so in the rack. Not sure about clockspeeds/wattage. I send them a message.
>The undervolt/underclock thing sounds like they're trying to make it seem not as bad to make a sale
I was the one that brought that up actually.

>>103095461
I would at least wait for the 9800x3d launch to flood the market with offers of used 78. Just two more DAYS!

>>103095298
>>103095321
I don't see the point in the 9800x3d when the 7800x3d already demolishes everything and a 5800x3d is already onpar with intels best while running last gen ddr4.

Is there any real downside to sticking with a X470 motherboard besides SSD speeds? I'm looking to get a 5700X3D and a 7900XT.

>>103094802
My current GPU I got new in box 30% below market price on a local craigslist-like.
Pick up point it was literally a beaten up van in the darkest spot of a parking lot. Van turned out to be packed full of sealed GPU boxes.
I'd think the van was looted in a certain nearby w*r zone if the GPUs did not have china-exclusive SKUs.

>>103095623
Those boards are several years old and may not have factory BIOS new enough to support the 5700X3D so if you get one make sure it has BIOS flashback to be able to update from a USB stick without the CPU installed. Otherwise they're fine if you get a good deal.

>>103095658
>support the 5700X3D*
*OUT OF THE BOX meant to include that bit. Once updated, they support the 5700X3D fine. Sorry for any confusion.

>>103095658
I already have the board (X470 Aorus Gaming 7) and I got a BIOS update less than two months ago, I'm good on that part.

>>103095668
In that case you're golden.

Ryzen 5500 or the 12100f to pair with the RX 6600? Pcie4 can definitely have an effect on some games and I am worried about how drastically that might change in the future. On the other hand 4 cores might prove just as problematic in the future...

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>>103095782
> Pcie4 can definitely have an effect on some games
Says who? The difference between PCIe 3.0 & 4.0 is 2% with a fucking 4090.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html
You really think a RX660 is getting choked by the interface? By the time PCIe becomes a bottleneck for normal cards your system will be e-waste so don't worry about that.

As far as 12100F vs 5500:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPeSNV9Hog
In general the 12100 is better if solely gaming as 4 strong cores > 6 weak ones but check the thread scaling on the titles that interest you most, while if you have a mixed workload that also includes a lot of rendering/video editing the 5500 might make sense then. We've been waiting for widespread N-thread usage in games all this gen and it hasn't come yet and I doubt it will for a long time considering the serial nature of calculations/simulations that aren't very parallelizable.

Nobody told me that you could hear the sloshing of water in a water cooler
I know its obvious that water moving is going to make a sound, but it’s a very scary sound to hear from a computer

>>103095907
https://youtu.be/Zw56BVOJJ-g
Videos like that scared me a bit, specifically the performance in spider man.
Although I couldn't care less for that game itself, I am worried other games might be similarly influenced.
I was also shinking of going 5500 just so I can be safer for CPU heavy games where they would be utilizing all 6 cores but I am also not sure if I will see any real difference with that either.
The extra ability of the 5500 for work loads and multi tasking would also be a good bonus, but only if the 5500 is about as strong as the 12100 in gaming, especially in the long term.

>>103095911
my glugs almost sound like drips and it always scares the shit out of me when it happens

>>103095911
that's not right, there must be a lot of air in your loop to hear it

if it's an AIO it's absolutely fucked, return that shit immediately

What is your experience with refurbished parts If you ever bought any? Or do you know anybody that bought them with bad experiences?
Found a factory refurbished x670e carbon at a rather substantial discount and has 1 year warranty from the seller too, but I wonder if the risk of a potentially defective mobo that might fry the cpu or gpu is worth it for a 20% discount over prices of a new mobo of the same model.

>>103096004
It sounds exactly like drips, I thought there was a leak too
>>103096023
Are you sure? After some fiddling I only hear it when the pump changes speed, otherwise it’s inaudible

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My current rig is dying after 5 years of hard work, can't really wait for 50xx. Used for: gaming, blender3d, programming in IDE, work in game engine.

Does anything stand out as a bad choice? I'm out of the loop on hardware these days so I mostly copied stuff from OP. I was thinking about downgrading the GPU to non Ti and upgrading the CPU to 7950x3d. PSU is overpowered on purpose. Can't get Phantom Spirit here btw

>>103095987
"benchmark" videos like this are on the same tier as userbenchmark

>>103096066
>7900x3d
you failed the test

can x670e take advantage of cu-dimm chips or is it gated behind the new boards

>>103096137
neither
9000 series cpus will run on cudimms but cannot take advantage of the clock driver, so there's no point

>>103096155
so not even new AGESA will enable it even on zen5? does this mean intel actually has one over amd right now?

>>103096169
if you think memory frequency is the only thing that matters for cpu performance, sure

>>103096169
CUDIMMs aren't a magical solution for intel's performance problems

>>103096181
it matters for 1% lows

>>103096201
memory latency matters for 1% lows
and zen 5 has better memory latency than arrow lake

>>103095907
> 2% with a fucking 4090
Sounds little but this is huge. There are people willing to pay double money for 8000+MHz RAM just to get even less than this plus in performance. You wouldn't mind giving it away unnecessarily?

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>finish build
>onto the final step, installing the glass side panel
>drop it
>glass shatters, but doesn't explode because the protective film was still on
what should I do? thinking I might get some sheet metal and just velcro it, itll look ugly as fuck but its better than having dust everywhere

>>103096066
> 1000W
850W is more than enough even for a 4090.
> mini micro nano tiny
wtf? is this an obsession?

>>103096233
contact manufacturer

>>103096046
refurb is just lightly used with warranty, I love buying refurb parts

the alienware 32 4k qdoled is 572 euro down from the asus 32 now
60% premium just for a flat screen..... brutal

Hello.
Some people says that UPS (uninterruptible power supply) is not a good thing, that it's not worth it, etc., does that make sense? Whenever it rains I have to turn off my PC because I never know when the power will fail here, I'm getting tired of this shit...
If UPS is any good, are there any special precautions I should take before buying one?

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Does a Gen 4 x16 card in a Gen 5 x16 slot still use all 16 lanes at Gen 4 speed, or does it adjust to 8 lanes at Gen 5 speed?

>>103096066
How are you gonna fit that PSU into that shoebox?

>>103096326
ALL THE LANES BABY

>>103096326
>16 lanes at Gen 4 speed
ye
>adjust to 8 lanes at Gen 5 speed?
nah

>>103096323
>(uninterruptible power supply) is not a good thing, that it's not worth it
stupid. UPS are fucking great, I have two, one for my PC, one for modem.

>>103096323
>are there any special precautions I should take before buying one?
make sure the battery is user serviceable. there are some that the manufacturer tries to make it hard to change the battery, it's still possible but annoying.

>>103096342
>>103096347
So does this mean I only have 4 lanes left?
wtf....

>>103096323
if not having interruptions is worth the cost for you, get one
keep in mind batteries should be replaced about every 3 years

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1gjk6b0/i_told_my_wife_that_i_want_a_divorce_and_she/

Sorry for being a fucking retard but should I keep my OS separate from all my shit or does it not matter at all? I'd like to try dual booting because wingay sucks now but I still need it for some games, so I was considering a mobo with three M.2 slots so I could have two smaller drives for windows and linux and then a third higer capacity drive for my vidya, animu, programs etc that both systems can access without fucking with each other's drives.

>>103096434
There has been no real point in separating the OS from the rest of your storage for quite some time. I guess you could argue some very niche uses, but if you had any real need for them you wouldn't be asking that question in the first place.

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>>103096085
Can you elaborate, I didn't look at hardware for 5+ years. I know 7800X3D is better for gaming but I need something multi purpose. I can't get 7950x3d without downgrading 4070 ti to 4070. Is 9900x a better option vs 7900X3D?

>>103096334
>>103096240
thanks for pointing out the case size, I can get Phanteks here so I'll switch to that. I'll check the 850W PSU options too.

>>103096469
Oh good, I'll give the OS a decently sized partition and use the rest of the storage normally then, thanks the answer

current build is i5 12400, 64gb ram, rtx 3070, 1440p monitor. I know it is more of a game issue but I'm seeing ~90% cpu utilization on space marine 2 and getting terrible framerates, also had poor performance on the mh wilds beta. What would be the best upgrade right now, getting a 4080 super, or going straight up to a 7800x3d? I also have to get a new mobo, cooler and ram along the cpu so the total cost isn't too far apart from the gpu.

>>103096409
why do you keep posting this

>>103096497
>buying dual ccd x3d's
yep, it's over

>>103096555
>i5 12400
should have gotten a mobo with a clock gen and ddr5 ram and you would have gotten 50-70% higher 1% lows and averages with a 5.2ghz oc and 6400 ram rivaling and beating a 12900k, but you didn't listen
now you have to upgrade again

>>103096323
> does that make sense?
Absolutely, if you do any serious shit with your pc. I plan to get an UPS for my vacation home here in third world Portugal because at least once or twice a year we have an outage for a few minutes. You need to make sure that the UPS can deliver the power that your PC + Monitor draw under load. Get a cheap digital powermeter and plug it between wall socket and multiple socket outlet where your PC and display are plugged it. Use your PC for a while and read the maximum of watts drawn from the powermeter. The UPS only needs to allow for a controlled shutdown of the system, not provide the power for a longer period of time which would require insanely massive batteries. 1000 VA, 600 watts for 1 min (300 watts for 5 min) should be enough for a gaymin pc and are still very affordable.

>>103096434
I use WSL2 to mount the linux drive, but personally I never had a need to share games between the 2, it's mainly just porn.
I personally stick with windows for games because I found that adding a special voltage curve to my 1660 TI adds like 20% more fps at the same temp, and I really like msi afterburner's overlay (and I also think getting a frame limiter in linux working is weird).
There are a bunch of other things you need to factor in as well. Dual booting is definitely a tinkering experience.
I heard some people like using exfat for the shared partition, but I don't know.

UPS are mostly a meme anyway, the chances of just a normal power outage damaging your PC are incredibly small.
But if you are indeed doing serious work on your PC and spending thousands on it, there is no reason not to get one.

>>103096714
>and I really like msi afterburner's overlay
just use mangohud
>and I also think getting a frame limiter in linux working is weird
just use mangohud

with that said, sticking with windows is the right choice if you have a 1660 Ti

>>103096749
Does anyone know if the power consumption of a520 boards is the same as b450/550?

>>103096630
show me where this was ever posted before

>>103095270
It's just a gimmick, just pay attention to the other specs.

>>103096823
>>103087512

Looking for a new monitor and I have a RTX 3070 that I'll hopefully upgrade in a year. I'd like a 32inch monitor but 32in in 2k is stinky, but 32in in 4k is too much on the 3070. Is ultrawide a good idea? Just stick to 27inch 2k? I don't fucking know

>>103096555
use a frame limiter if your problem is choppiness.
it's not like getting higher spec hardware is going to solve your problem because the 7800x3d only gets 100fps, which is pretty low and you will still notice stutter while moving your mouse since more / less stuff gets rendered which affects the FPS.
just limit the fps to 60 or whatever is stable and enjoy that.

>>103096749
reading the docs make me want to kill myself, please tell me there is a GUI for the frame limiter where you just select the exe and it just works?

>>103096860
> 4k is too much on the 3070
You can run 1080p on it until you get a faster card. This is what I did. Werked.

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>>103096860
4k 32 is not too much on any rtx card. pic related I bought last year and love using it every day, mainly because it's flat and I cannot stand any of the curved monitors out there. it's at a steal of a price right now too. I use a 3080 if that matters to you

>>103096633
yeah, I should have gone ddr5, only because I wanted to use the ram from my previous build. That's why I'm just thinking on going all in this time.
>>103096876
I would be happy with 60fps but I'm getting anywhere from 30 to 60, depending on what the games feels like running at that day

>>103096982
do you have gsync enabled?

I like my things to last. Am I more likely to come across problems with a xianomi monitor over a lg/viewsonic/benq one?

Used 4090 for $1,550 AUD (~$1,020 USD)? Surely that's decent, right? Assuming it's not a scam.

>>103097031
Just get yourself a 7900xtx and save yourself 500$ at worst or getting scammed at best.

>>103096973
That's a nice and affordable 32" 4k display.

>>103097026
xiaomi is a premium brand

>>103097026
Yeah probably but you're only buying one so, barring a bad batch/defect, it'll be hard to tell if it's a matter of cheap construction or bad luck.

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>Replaced my old 60hz monitor with MSI MAG 256F
>Set it to 120hz
>Open youtube video
>It jitters
>set it to 60hz
>Less jittering
>Looks fine on phone
Does anyone know what could be the cause of this?

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Day 579 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>103097138
it it to 180hz

>>103097031
Yes it's a good deal but make sure it's not defective or a fake, if you can't see it before buying then don't.

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>>103097148
Day 670 of enjoying the fastest GPU in existence.

AAAHHHHH FUCK IT I KNOW I SAID I WASN'T BUT I MIGHT ACTUALLY GO FOR THAT TAICHI LITE

>>103097167
Same issue.

>>103097203
Fastest commercial GPU, and not for much longer

>>103094713
I just got my box today and its basically a regular cardboard box with black text on it
They are one of the based companies that make a high quality of product with a low price

>>103097025
can't verify right now but I think I do have it enabled

>>103097250
> not for much longer
That's why I will get a 5090 and continue to use the 4090 in my secondary PC.

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>>103096066
You need a 1200W psu for optimal energy efficiency. 1000W is okay but do not go below that.

>>103095298
>1440p with 4070ti
>compared to a 9700x
>1% and 0.1% lows go up by 10%-70%
>cyberpunk and starfield at high have marginal FPS differences at high settings
>project cars and counter strike 2 get a 11%-15% average increase on ultra
Okay that's cool...
But why didn't they compare the 7800x3d exactly?

>>103097305
>continue to use the 4090
Does it gives you a hard pee pee? Or do you feel like a fool for wasting so much money

kinda crazy how you can get a 2tb nvme ssd for just $100 now innit, i remember when $100 would get you a 256gb sata

>>103097337
As your chart illustrate optimal power curves have not been relevant for psus for aeons now

>>103096860
1440p 144hz ips 27 If you eat only ramen for sustenance and are poor
If not you buy a 4k 32 240hz qdoled, or a 480hz woled 27, or a LG c4 42" OR a Samsung 55" s95c/derivatives

>>103097373
It's not wasted, I will use both GPUs at different places and times of the year. And it's just 2k. I usually spend five to ten times as much on other hobbies. Do you know how much a sailplane or sailboat is? How much the yearly maintenance? Or a sports car? These are hobbies of an adult man. I'm not a teenager wasting his pocket money or asking mom for a christmas present.

>>103096860
You can have a 4K monitor and an underpowered card for one year until you upgrade your GEEPEEYUUU

love live pc building
pc building is for chads

>>103095027
Those ones are straight useless, i had an msi one and it wasn't even touching the gpu

>>103095222
4090 still has a lot of raw power not counting ai shit since it can do 4k 60fps native most games

>>103097203
Good things will come to those who wait.

>>103097717
wow

should i but my nvme and ram before the election fucks prices up? or wait until black friday?

>>103097415
How about $150 dollars for 4MB of ram?

>>103097824
You'll have some time, if orange man wins he can't put tariffs until after he's in office so you'll have time to buy your shit until about January. You can forget about the 50 series tho as that will most likely release near Q2/ end of Q1.

Is the 7800XT worth the price difference from the 7700XT? I only play 1080p, but I don't want to get VRAM crept by game devs becoming increasingly bad at optimization. I can afford the difference in cost, but I could also use that difference to buy a better CPU cooler or a new game to test the GPU upgrade or something. Should I look at other GPU options at that price range?

Is it retarded to assume I'll be able to get a 9800xd3 the morning of the 7th? Or is this shit gonna be sold out for months or years like gpus are? Haven't bought parts in forever

What's the most powerful librebootable desktop build?

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>>103097945
PP

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Thermaltake Core X71
7900X3D - Thermalright Phantom Spirit
4080 Super
ASUS B650E-F
2x G-Skill 32G 6000mts
2TB Samsung 980 SSD
8TB Toshiba HDD
12TB Toshiba HDD

"Nike Skyline"

>>103097945
Nobody ever regrets having more than they need.

>>103097971
Core2Quad or Opteron. GPU depends, on Intel you could stick with the integrated graphics, AMD you'd go with a GTX 780 with nouveau. If you want actual good GPU performance AMD graphics is what you want but there are firmware blobs (even with the old radeon driver iirc), same with Intel's dGPUs and nouveau on GTX 16 series or newer.

>>103097945
I'll always go for more VRAM than less.
8GB is phasing out for modern stuff thanks to shit devs and copro greed. However, a 7700xt or 7800xt are high-mid range GPUs. If you plan to hold onto the card for a couple years, I'd go for the 7800xt, but if you plan to upgrade once the 5000 series or new AMD stuff come out, I'd go 7700xt.

>>103097945
it's 20% faster so that much more money is reasonable

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Thoughts on this monitor? I've heard that it's a great monitor but I haven't anyone from here talk about it. I'm asking because I'm thinking of getting it myself and would like to hear your thoughts on it if you don't mind.

https://www.amazon.com/LG-24GN600-B-Ultragear-Virtually-Borderless/dp/B0CYQGRTHX?crid=1QJXWUQI0D4LO&keywords=1080p%2B144hz&qid=1687673989&s=electronics&sprefix=1080p%2B144h%2Celectronics%2C154&sr=1-4&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=31371-20&linkId=89e13e23a037f97ac16b3916745b4ab5&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

>>103098080
24 inches so tiny
but LG is a good brand for me, I like their monitors

>>103097496
I'm not poor but I'm not exactly OLED level either :/ I think I'll go 32in 4k 144hz IPS for around $450. There is a LG 27in 2k OLED for $600, but idk

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Does anyone know how to control G.Skill RGB. The ram is constantly in Rainbow Gayness. I tried MSI Mystic Light, Open RGB, and neither can even detect them. The trident Z software can, but it reverts after every shutdown, even when controlled by razer chroma. If there is a better brand I'd consider otherwise I'm going to hunt down some non RGB sticks.

>>103098174
see if you can detach the LED strips, if not crush them with pliers

I have a 7800x3d and a msi tomahawk b650 wifi. how many nvmes can i use at full speed or what speed will the second and third be?

>>103098155
>24 inches so tiny
>but LG is a good brand for me, I like their monitors
Thank you anon I appreciate your comment.

>>103098270
Well I might just sell them. I had no idea RAM RGB was basically uncontrollable.

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Is buying OC cards worth it or is it just marketing? How much does each extra 10Mhz translate into gainz?

>>103098446
its pretty much just marketing

>>103098174
I had DDR4 Trident Z Neo and OpenRGB did detect them just fine.
That ram has no internal memory for rgb and has to be configured after every boot.

>>103098446
about tree fiddy
[spoiler]It's marketing as you can just OC a card yourself. Either are still going to be below the point of silicon lottery, but the big thing you want for either is a good cooler. If you don't plan do anything custom, anyway.[/spoiler]

>>103098446
open gpu-z and change your mhz in real time. see the bandwidth and pixel fillrate go up in real time as well. how much it translates into fps depends on the applicaiton.

>>103098497
ah shit I forgot spoilers don't work here

>>103098477
>OpenRGB did detect them just fine
Not my G.SKILL Trident Z5 . Even run as administrator.

>>103097945
Should I buy my GPU upgrade for Black Friday sale or will prices be better after they release the 8000 series?

>>103098544
prices will never be better

ASRock B650E PG Riptide
or
ASRock B650 Steel Legend

>>103098751
You want to pay more to have a white PC that won't show dust as much or pay less for a dark one that will look dusty two weeks after you set it up?

>>103098774
They're basically the same price ($10 difference) so I'm pretty much just choosing what colour I want then?
But does the white actually look good with black parts and a black case? I'm not trying to make an oreo

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I got the kit.
I will now proceed to win the lottery and my 9800x3d will run 6400 at 1:1

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>>103098875
Best of luck
Instability can be insidious, beware

>>103098446
>Is buying OC cards worth it
No. Often they're bad because they come heavily juiced (with power) out of the box while having any absolutely tiny performance benefit

>>103098174
It's fine but considering you can get 1440p for basically the same price, not worth it. 1440p DLSS Quality looks better than 1080p Native and the performance is the same

>>103098055
>a 7700xt or 7800xt are high-mid range GPUs
I would consider them to be lower midrange at this point. The 5070 is almost here

>>103098945
>Instability can be insidious, beware
I agree. If it doesn't have some comfortable headroom I'll probably go with 6200

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>>103097138
If I'm bothered by jittering in some youtube video, I run it in mpv, which has adaptively sync in full screen mode. There's probably some software solution to get youtube to play smoothly in a browser (my chosen being Firefox), but I haven't found it

>>103096860
Q27G3XMN
Cheap enough to upgrade to 4K OLED later
Not worth buying anything else IMO

>>103096555
For MH:Wilds you're massively CPU and GPU limited, so really you should go 7800X3D now and get the 5080 when it launches in like two months

>>103096326
Obviously the former, retard. How would a PCIe 4.0 slot provide 5.0 speeds? Absolutely retarded frogface

>>103096046
My experience with refurb items is mixed. Sometimes they're great, sometimes they're a hassle. Just thoroughly test whatever you get (e.g., all the ports on the motherboard) and don't hesitate to send it back if there are any problems. Basically you have to decide whether the discount is worth the possible hassle

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>>103095987
>>103095782
>5500
That CPU is garbage. A 12100 is a better option if you're going cheap. And yes, running cheap x8 lane graphics cards is a good way to cripple performance, especially if they're on a previous revision of PCIe

>>103095907
You're not taking into account that some cards don't have full x16 electronic interfaces

>>103095668
>>103095623
If you already have the board, it's fine, but you wouldn't buy one new.

>>103095623
Also the 7900 XT is garbage

>>103095415
DXVK is hit or miss (sometimes it can decrease performance), and it's also something the user has to mod. It's not stock performance.

>>103094983
If he took care of them (which he's claiming he did), not really a problem. Power cycling is worse than constant load. They're probably dusty and loud, so you can expect to have to clean them

>>103094899
Depends on the price of the 7600, but if it's like $180 and the 7700 is $240, not worth

>>103098945
>I would consider them to be lower midrange at this point. The 5070 is almost here
Both are within the range of a 4070. They would have to be outperformed by like 20% in FPS for them to be knocked down a bracket, and I doubt we'll see a jump that massive. Projections say 15-20%, so maybe. But for the 7800xt at least, if the 5070 doesn't have 16GB VRAM, why bother? You could go from a stable 90 fps(7800xt) or 108 fps(5070) at the same settings to pushing the 7800xt a bit more to get stable 60 and the 5070 would drop to an unstable 50 when it hits VRAM limits. Maybe DDR7 can make up for the lack of total. We'll just have to wait and see.

Mostly, I'm just skeptical of NVIDIA delivering after the shit show that has been the past couple years with them. The 5090 will probably be insane though.

>>103098945
>>103099024
>>103099040
>>103099068
go take a shower

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>>103099078
>if the 5070 doesn't have 16GB VRAM, why bother?
Because VRAM != performance or image quality. It could be that FSR4 can pretty much eliminate upsampling as a differentiator between Radeon and Geforce, but that's yet to be seen, and even then FSR4 will be in nogaems vs the hundreds that have DLSS2+

>I'm just skeptical of NVIDIA delivering
Don't expect aggressive pricing from the green jew. It's the market leader, both in sales and performance + image quality in almost all price classes. Having said that, the small comfort is that pricing likely won't go up. I doubt Nvidia can extract much more profit out of consumers by raising prices, as it found out when it priced the 4080 at $1200. I would expect the 5070 at $600 with 4070 Ti performance. Maybe it'll have DLSS4 to go with it, as DLSS is already at 3.7 or something, we'll have to see.

The Radeon RX 8000 cards could be a decent option maybe a year into the generation, after they get their usual price corrections. I wrote a post here >>103043403 explaining my reasoning

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>>103098155
>24 inches so tiny

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>>103099138
>I would expect the 5070 at $600 with 4070 Ti Super* performance
As obviously the 4070 Super is already basically 4070 Ti performance for $600

>>103095481
It's paper launched

>>103098174
>>103098513
It's your motherboard
My z5s get detected just fine on an Asus and Asrock motherboard

>>103099138
I pretty much agree with you, but I'd say VRAM is very important given how games are trending. It doesn't equal performance or image quality per se, but it does limit what performance and image quality you can get from a card. Assuming a similar price range, I'll take a slightly underperforming GPU with more VRAM any day of the week. You might lose a bit of FPS, but you're at least safer going into the future.

>>103099173
youre looking at the wrong vendors

>>103095481
>>103099239
No matter what PC gamers say, they're a minority in the market.
Even boxed CPUs are bought up in bulk by small PC-building businesses or just small businesses in general.

but how will you sell the 18gb 5070 Super if you keep saying VRAM isn't important

>>103099437
Just flip the marketing message 180°
Gaymers will lap that shit up

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>>103099193
>I'd say VRAM is very important given how games are trending
I'd say upsampling is most important given how games are trending. The performance requirements have accelerated way faster than the VRAM requirements, and that's historically been the case as well. I can definitely understand buying the 3060 12 GB over the 4060, although I'd probably lean slightly toward the 4060, but not the 3060 Ti over the 6700 XT

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>>103094745
Is this a bad photo or bent pin? He shows it working with a 7800x so it should be fine. I just wanted to ask before moving forward with the purchase.

>>103099640
it looks perfect to me. the pins are supposed to slant at an angle

>>103099462
not that anon, but upscaling EATS vram for breakfast

>>103099672
No it doesn't. Frame Gen can eat VRAM; upsampling does not.

>>103099640
looks good, i dont see any bent pins

just saw the 9800x3d benchmarks by that youtuber, dumbass tested it on 1440p high with 4070 ti super
still showed big 1% low improvements despite that though, but im more interested in the avx512 uplift and rpcs3
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1gk88nl/screenshots_from_the_deleted_ryzen_9800x3d_review/

>>103099738
STOP

STEALING

GAMES

>>103099738
>avx512 uplift and rpcs3
RPCS3 doesn't use the 512-bit stuff so it already runs full speed on zen 4
(yes, AVX-512 also has 256-bit instructions, only slightly confusing)

feels good having a 7800x3d
got it for $340, never have to upgrade until AM6

>>103099747
uh no.
>>103099752
either way it will be more performant than 7800x3d at least, combine gen uplift with the new ability to oc, turning that 50watt cpu into a 120watt monster (diminishing returns but still copium)

>>103099754
The core is under the cache which is an inferior design. You MUST upgrade to the 9800X3D.

>9800x3d
But why shouldn't I just wait for the 9950x4d?

I have all the parts I need for a build with a Ryzen 7600 coming in a few days except the GPU. Is right now just a shit time to be buying one? Should I wait it out?
I was thinking of giving AMD a chance and try out their 7800 XT, but a 4070 is only $26 more where I live. 4070 Super is something like $70 more and the 7900 GRE is $240 more due to pricing shenanigans and dealer bias.

>>103099738
standard zen5 already has 1% lows that are equal or better than the 7800x3d
9800x3d will be a beast for sure, hopefully putting a rest to the amdip for good

>>103099817
just get both bro
are you poor

>>103099786
so what? 7800x3d is overkill already for all existing games and there aren't even any heat problems from the cache covering the cpu cores.

>>103099932
>anon cant into sarcasm

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>>103099932
9800x3d can pull 157W without throttling while 7800x3d throttles when it hits 95W bro

>>103099668
>>103099734
Thanks guys. I'll message him later for it.

>>103094745
>go to turn on desktop
>pop
>no lights
>swap out PSU, check connections
>still nothing
its so over.

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Planning on a mouse and keyboard purchase soon to replace some shitty gaymer mk+b that I bought on clearance and quickly regretted.
After getting burned like this I'm apprehensive of putting down triple digits for a new m+kb, but I know that I can't be a total cheapskate about it.

So I'm asking for full keyboard recs. Preferably wireless since a wired connection would need like a 6ft cable. Brands to go for, to avoid, etc.
I'm thinking about pic related for the mouse.

Any advice anons?

>>103100190
sorry to hear that anon

>>103094745
>rei
yuck

so ,what is a good budget ddr4 build for rx 7700 xt (and maybe beyond)?
i'm going to recieve a psu and ram which is ddr4 and don't want to get a bottleneck, either intel core or ryzen build will be apreciated

>>103100190
this is why you buy a surge breaker or the most basic surge protector for your outlet

>>103100218
>Preferably wireless since a wired connection would need like a 6ft cable
what, are you using a large tv in lieu of a monitor?

So it is time to buy a PC?

>>103099899
Yes.
But I have good credit. I'd just prefer not to do that.

do I need to buy now before the deep state kicks off the civil war?

>>103100824
but the deep state won

>” They did take about 100% of our chip business”
He will go after tsmc. Intel is saved.

>>103099040
Thanks I am probably going to go with 12100f. I have only seen the 5500 be noticeably ahead in games like total war, everything else the 12100 is a bit ahead. And it seems like as time goes on, the lack of pcie4 is going to hurt me a lot more than 4 cores would.

>>103100869
It was joint venture with the Dutch from the beginning, stupid murican. Dutch rule microchip making. America had nothing to do with it.

>>103100869
This cheeto fuck better not put the tariffs in before I get my 5090.

>>103100218
Razer Viper V3 Pro and any Hall Effect keyboard that has rapid trigger. Wooting and Razer have good boards for them, but the former has batch fulfillments as of right now for the 80HE and the latter doesn't have any true HE boards yet. Just mechanical or opto-mechanicals. Avoid Aula, Asus and Steelseries boards.

reviews drop today?

>>103101034
Spoiler, it's pretty meh.

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Congrats to my mutt frens.

>AMD begins winning
>Red wave in the election for popular and electoral
What is this timeline?
The only thing that could make this even wilder is if the next gen of AMD GPUs BTFOs NVIDIA.

>>103100993
>people concerned about the price of everything because of inflation voted for the guy who wants to put more tariffs on everything
you can't make this shit up.

>>103101069
Deus vult. But AMD needs to up their rocm game though.

qrd on tarrifs?
is it my turn to laugh at Americans' extortionate hardware prices?

>>103101089
They're all retards, basic retarded American logic is this
>bad thing happen
>It's the current presidents fault
I know cause I have a lot of family who insisted that all the rising prices on food was because Biden told companies to raise prices.

holy shit FUCK GIGABYTE

>>103101110
Trump promised to put something like 100% tariff on anything coming from china, so if anyone is in need of any electronic they better buy it now before he takes office.

>>103101110
Nothing burger.

>>103101089
I voted for Kamala dumbass. Tariffs are fucking stupid and consumers pay the consequence.

>>103100993
If kamala win, Taiwan will get blown up. So either you get 5090 at 200% price or no 5090 at all. Your choice

>>103101140
Kids turning into trannies is worse though anon.

>>103101140
Get well soon.

>>103101140
i too, love dancing naked and spreading my buttcheeks in front of kids

>>103101140
You're right that Harris has much better policies, especially economic, but him winning the popular vote by such a large margin shows that >>103101149 is right. Contrary to what they say, Trump voters are just as emotional as anyone else. No one cares about facts, we all vote on feelings.

As long as I can get a 5080 for under $1,500 I'll be happy.

>>103101069
Does AMD even want to compete at the super high end 5090 tier at this point? I don't think they even want to get involved there.

>>103101176
>muh policies
they all lie to get your vote, not like anyone will hold them accountable for not doing what they promised at the end of their term. not voting is the best thing to do

>>103101177
AMD made it very clear that they want to focus on the budget GPU market. Their high end cards don't even make sense. Once you're spending $1,000+ Nvidia just makes sense for the features. Unless you use Linux or you really don't care, AMD will give you better raw hardware for cheaper.

>>103101177
They don't really need to. They just gotta beat out the low and mid range. Most people aren't rocking 4090s, and unless NVIDIA pulls some insane value for a 5090, the best GPU ever isn't going to help them.

>>103101185
Yeah I agree. At the point when you are spending 1k on a GPU, what's the point of saving 100-200$ by going with a weaker AMD with lesser features.
But if you are looking at the much more popular 200$ tier, Nvidia basically can't compete at all.

>>103101177
>Does AMD even want to compete at the super high end 5090 tier at this point
I don't see why they would even try. If someone is buying a 4090/5090 they're doing it because they want the best of the best or are using it for AI which is far more performant and compatible with NVIDIA cards.

>>103101176
The only thing I dont want to see is covid 2.0 and expensive houses in non shit areas.

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>>103100869
>trump wants to change chip act conditions to only allow domestic companies
Holy fuck intel is about to get the bag. No dimes for tsmc.

>>103101069
Uh, the US passport is blue...
Time to move to China I guess

Trump winning is making me consider pushing up my timetable for upgrading. How are 9800X3D supplies looking and realistically how long until retarded tariffs kick in and fuck over prices?

>>103101213
Trump isn't inaugurated until January, when the 5090 launches.
9800X3D will be fine.

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>>103101213
Nothing will happen.
Nothing ever happens.

>>103101213
Stop being retarded anon.

>>103101224
>normalcy bias

Did AMD just shortrun 7800X3D? price just climbed on for several months before supplies vanished.

>>103101218
I'm more concerned about getting it without getting scalped at launch.
>>103101224
>>103101227
>Tariffs happen
Money wasted that I will never see the benefit of because the US is incapable of building fucking semiconductors
>Tariffs don't happen
I get my shit earlier my money isn't wasted and the US still doesn't have chip manufacturing.

>>103101242
>Did they stop making a product and let supply naturally run out before the next generation comes out
?

>>103101128
Tariffs on Taiwan too. He was complaining on the Joe Rogan podcast about Taiwan stealing from the semiconductor industry from America. We are fucked lmao

Let's say I want to go over 32gb of ram since I run a lot of mods and plugins for Final Fantasy XIV. How ram would you suggest I get?

Intel is shitting itself right now and they're expected to be competitive with Taiwan?

>>103101272
I would tell you to have less mods and plugins and enjoy the game the way that Yoshi P enjoyed it

>>103101258
>American companies couldn't keep up with the times because they were too focused on maximizing profits
>This is somehow the fault of Taiwan for doing the manufacturing American companies didn't want to do

>>103101273
Tsmc got competitive after their government invested in them. Can’t see why us can’t do the same after the election

I didn't know there could be a person who hated both China and Taiwan.

>>103101286
They are both china, I bet a plurality of americans think taiwan is owned by china like hong kong or macau.

>>103101272
I would tell you to stop playing trash.

>>103101283
Because they will invest the minimum they can get away with it and pocket the rest.

>>103101291
>They are both china
China propaganda

>>103101283
Because Intel is investing in stupid shit. Why would you trust a company that's chasing away engineers and coping through Bible verses right now?

>>103101301
Both China and Taiwan claim that there’s only 1 china

>>103101305
Read between the lines

>>103101301
Taiwan is the Republic of China. and it literally was the globally recognized China before the People's Republic of China got too powerful to ignore and trade relations were established for cheap labor.

How are asrock mobos and their bios? I'm used to msi's which has a pretty straightforward ui and doesnt obfuscate options under a million submenus and stupid names. A b650e taichi is like 340 euroshekels where I am and has a pretty decent feature set.

>>103101379
it's full featured but way harder to use, I've just gone from B450 tomahawk to b650 assrock and it's horrible to use in comparison

>>103101379
Solid boards, if you want to overclock, just it from windows. They have apps for that now.

Lga 1700 CPUs support up to pcie 5, and supposedly motherboards like the H610 use the pcie lanes of the CPU to support the GPU. If that's the case, shouldn't lga 1700 mobos also support pcie 5 instead of just 4?

>>103101379
uefi updates are dog slow
im still waiting for the 9800x3d bios on mine

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>>103101443
if you're going to lie, at least make it believable

>>103101424
>and supposedly motherboards like the H610 use the pcie lanes of the CPU to support the GPU.
all motherboards do that, the h610 is the oppsite the pcie slot for gpu uses chipset lanes
>Lga 1700 CPUs support up to pcie 5, and supposedly motherboards like the H610 use the pcie lanes of the CPU to support the GPU. If that's the case, shouldn't lga 1700 mobos also support pcie 5 instead of just 4?
they do but only for nvme ssd
the gpu slot uses pcie 4 which is okay since no gpu has pcie 5
just be careful what mobo u get cause some z790's run your gpu at x8 if u populate the pcie 5 nvme slot

>>103101454
They literally just uploaded it today

>>103101481
do you have the CPU?

Brehs, I bought 2x32 gigs of kingston ram, one of the sticks was working. The seconds was not. I sent it back to the seller. He showed me on video that it is working. What do?

>>103101504
your board is cooked, send it back

>>103101504
Did you swap it around to make sure it's not your CPU or mb that's broken?

>>103101224
Trump has literally already put tariffs on china in his first term, in return the Chinese put tariffs on US basedbean importa which caused a bunch of farmers to go bankrupt and need a government bailout to not be homeless. The man can and will impose tariffs if he feels like it and no one will be able to stop him.

>>103101478
>all motherboards do that, the h610 is the oppsite the pcie slot for gpu uses chipset lanes
Are you sure. For example I was looking at the Asus h610m-k d4 and it supports pcie4, which should be impossible if it used its own chipset lanes instead of the CPUs since the h610 chiplet doesn't have pcie4 lanes itself.

>>103101509
It was x870 pro rs. Yes, I did. I ran it with single stick, both in b2 slot. One of sticks worked and the other did not work. The light on the ram didn't even glow.

>>103101506
Bro, in the same slot, one worked and the other stick didn't work. How is this mobo issue?

>>103101536
it clearly is if the seller has the stick working you mong

>>103101531
but did you test in slot a2?

>>103101528
>Are you sure. For example I was looking at the Asus h610m-k d4 and it supports pcie4, which should be impossible if it used its own chipset lanes instead of the CPUs since the h610 chiplet doesn't have pcie4 lanes itself.
looks like not all h610 use chipset lanes only for pcie, that one uses 16 pcie 4 cpu lanes, instead of the 8 pcie 3 chipset lanes

>>103101549
Since its m2 lanes are still pcie 3, wouldn't that mean it's because it still uses the CPU lames though?

>>103101543
When using both sticks, I put it in a2 and b2. It documentation said to use only b2 when using a single stick. Should I have tried one stick in a2?

>>103101498
no

>>103101592
yeah you should have since its possible to have one dead channel because of the cpu or mb

>>103101595
>doesn't have the CPU
>is complaining about BIOS updates not being out for a CPU that isn't out
>BIOS updates are out when checked
kys

>>103101604
ok how much is asrock paying you?

>>103101609
>how much is asrock paying you
nothing you're just retarded. you don't have the CPU, you can access the BIOS update right now and they have flashback on every board so what is the actual problem?

>>103101602
Ok. If it had a dead channel on cpu or motherboard, then b2 with one stick would not have worked. I don't get it anon.

>>103101580
lga1700 cpus have 20 usable pcie lanes
h610m has 8 chipset lanes
looks like they used the 8 chipset lanes on x1 pcie lane and one m.2 slot
only the top pcie slot uses cpu lanes here
dont know what they did with the rest of the lanes

>>103101615
You are unhinged
I checked two days ago and it wasn't available. Asus had their bios up like 1-2 weeks back.
And it is customary to update your bios before getting a cpu unless you're retarded and wait until the final second to do it.

>>103101623
are you expecting the CPU today?

>>103101631
are you done sucking that asCock?

>>103101636
so you say the BIOS is late, yet it is there and here before the CPU is released. I wonder

>>103101623
I think you should buy a fidget spinner instead of a CPU.

>>103101664
relative comparisons gets lost on you huh

>>103101667
why does it matter that the BIOS is 2 weeks before the release or 1 day before the release? You still don't have the CPU to take advantage of the BIOS anyway?

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>>103101678
>hes still defending asrock

>>103101689
>>103101689
>>103101689

>>103101680
i'm calling you impatient and retarded. I've got my X3D already so no need to wait for a BIOS for me

>>103101680
Asrock is unironically the best motherboard vendor at the moment.

>>103101619
Okay thanks, I think I got it. So if I were to use the specific board I mentioned above, I would be able to use up to 16 pcie4 lanes if the GPU were to support that, right?

>>103101700
I don't disagree with that since I got one myself. I'm just pointing out that they still have downsides compared to asus/gigabyte

>>103101702
yes

>>103098174
Check out OpenRNG. Free windows software that controls most LED systems. Works, but forgets at each reboot for me.