>>103112669
So qt. I want an animu like that.

Anybody else gearing up for a 9800X3D + 8800 XT build?

>>103112669
>1080p: KOORUI 24E3
but that's a 1440p monitor

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I did it, bros. I managed to secure a 9800x3d.

>>103112710
>8800 XT build
NO. I really want the 7900xtx to work but the pos won't do llms as well as a 3090 even. I want to like it, but they are making it difficult.

>>103112733
Grats anon.

>>103112710
no saving pennies for a 9950X3D x 5090TI

So when is the 9800X3D going back in stock, and how much will it be worth this time due to inflation?

>>103112741
Well that's unfortunate.

>>103112776
$700 easy
>>103112741
You're going to have to wait until UDNA arrives. RDNA will never be good for local AI

Cpu: i7700k, Gpu: gtx1070, Ram: 16GB, PSU:750watt, Monitor:1080p @180hz
Use: cs2/esports/no DEI
Budget: $1000USD - eurocuck

>>103112710
>>103112733 here. I got the CPU and I'll wait to see what Nvidia & AMD will show off on CES. leaning towards AMD at the moment given how shitty rtx 5070 shapes up to be but we'll see.
>>103112748
Thanks. I even got it $125 cheaper because I had 2 gift cards set aside specifically for this occasion.

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OH MLID

YOU SAID THIS WAS CANCELLED 200X TIMES

OH MLID WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES NOW

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Pic related sold out in 10 minutes

>>103112814
it must be the scalpers ...r-right?

Is Gigabyte B650M Gaming WIFI a good alternative to asrock b650m hdv/m.2?

Ryzen 7 9800X3D market start in Germany +30min

Arlt: sold-out
Alternate: sold-out
Alza: available, 548€
Caseking: sold-out
Computeruniverse: available, 529€
Hardwarecamp24: n/a
Mindfactory: sold-out
Notebooksbilliger: pre-order, 549€
ProShop: sold-out

>>103112825
Probably.

my microcenter has 25+ new in stock

>>103112812
and at the same time Intel CEO said dGPU market doesn't matter anymore

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>>103112796
>$700 easy
I think I'm good without that

>>103112812
I hope sintel succeed fr. I want cheap gpus for llms. AMShite and Njudea software is tiring.

What's a good brand for a B650 or B650E board? Preferably mATX.

>>103112814
greatest gaming cpu of all time

>>103112828
no, get B650 Mortar.

>>103112796
Do you think they will ever give 32gigs or 64 gigs on consumer gpus?

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>Stock ETA: OcUK stock is currently held at UK customs. Our first and second shipments are now sold out and allocated. Our next shipment is expected December.
first 2 shipments sold out lmao
well, that's me fucked

>>103112861
in 2077 sure

>>103112861
5090 spec leaks says it'll have 32GB they also say it'll cost $2500

>>103112857
Not in the same price range, I want something for NAS.

>>103112863
:(

>>103112871
isn't NAS box about $150 anyway? $200 tops for double HDDs+SSD slots.

So I own a 1080p and 4k monitor already, but I want to get a third monitor. Should I get a 1440p monitor? I plan to just use it to play games and use it as a third monitor, but the 4k I only use to play Final Fantasy XIV due to all the space get with it.

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This write performance is way too slow for a Kingston KC3000 right? Or is this normal for being at 88% capacity?

Could this be related to the buggy controller? I updated the firmware, but is this meant to be done before using it? I bought this SSD back in 2022.

>>103112871
Both of them are kind of overkill for a "pure" NAS. Hell, I'd argue anything AM5 is overkill - get a 10100 or similar.

>>103112871
https://www.amazon.com/Synology-2-Bay-DiskStation-DS223j-Diskless/dp/B0C8814GKB?th=1
something like that is cheaper than a whole PC build.

>>103112892
90% is a lot on an SSD and will slow it down a bunch

>>103112892
Yeah looks very slow but anything can happen when you approach the cap limit. Pity you didn't bench it empty for comparison.

Whoresons in my third world shithole are selling it for 675-700 USD.
With a 20% tax it is supposed to be 580 USD.

When one seller brings the price up by 30 USD, the other one does it as well. Although none of the huge sellers have put it up for sale yet which is giving me some hope.

>>103112892
write speeds slows down a lot once you're past 65-80% filled up

>>103112871
>I want something for NAS.
if you mean just a nas you are spending way too much just get the cheapest shit with the ports and networking required

>>103112887
>>103112895
>>103112899
I picked this build for NAS, but I was wondering if I could make it am5 without spending more monies.

Christmas might just mean the 9800x3d, the 7800x3d and the 5700x3d are all sold out.

>>103112931
>7800x3d and the 5700x3d
these two should stay in stock you're going to have to be quick to get a 9800X3D

>>103112922
>>103112887
>>103112895
>>103112899
I'll go cheaper then. I'm looking at used am4 builds as well. I was wondering if I could go am5 with this build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LRpv6Q

I'm looking at used hardware as well.

>>103112937
I'm already sitting on 7600. I'll just wait™ until 10800x3d is <$300 and make AM5 my foreverplatform.

>>103112942
You do probably want something with an IGP. Makes it much smoother to set up and run.
As for the rest of it, it's still overkill for a pure NAS. It could be justified if you also want to run some plugins - Plex, Minecraft, i2p, etc.

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>>103112862
ordered mine at 2:30bst
wish i didnt waste those 30 minutes looking for one on a different site but its my first time buying something on launch

>>103112958
I'm in the same boat, but I figure I'll wait for the 11, 12, or even 13 if AM5 lasts that long.

>>103112669
Here's ur real 9800X3D price (when it comes back in stock)

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>>103113007
Forgot pic lmao I'm retarded maybe that's why I didn't press buy fast enough.

>>103112998
I was thinking about 4650g. I want the sweet ecc.

>>103113000
>10,000 units on backorder 1pc limit, 1200 sold already
this is gonna be a mad christmas period for them lol

Is 4 sticks of ram still problematic?
Should I get a 4 slot anyway and only populate two slots?

>>103113018
Buynow bros... we won

>>103113029
No, just a 2 stick kit
DDR5 just honestly sucks and can't/won't do any more except at dogshit speeds and even then half the time it won't work

>>103113029
Not that much on AM4 but on AM5 it is. RAM speed is reduced drastically with 4 sticks.

>>103112669
anime pc

>>103113025
Then you'll also need to find a board which supports ECC. Many will boot and run it but only a few will actually do error correction. If you don't need big performance for heavy plugins I'd suggest an older used Xeon or (possibly) early Threadripper. If you insist on forcing ECC on desktop platforms then check out the L1 Techs forums for info on what boards work with it.

>>103113018
IT BEGINS

>>103113072
steel legend supports it apparently.

>>103113087
There's like four am5 steel legends right now lol

>>103112831
I just decided to wait for the 9950X3D coming in January.

What can intel even do? Offer 12600k for $100?

>>103113107
for $10 you mean

>>103113087
Okay that's good. Does the 4600G? As I recall the Zen1/+ APUs did not but maybe that changed.

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So. How's userbenchmark coping?

>>103113099
No am4 steel legend b550m. AM5 steel legend is more expensive than the x870 pro rs I have right now. Also, I have not found any ddr5 ecc udimm anywhere at reasonable price.

>>103113106
But the same thing's just gonna happen again, so long as there is cache on both CCDs.

>>103113118
I'm still waiting on his review
It's the only one I trust

>>103113118
He's still cooking up his review but while we wait.

Beware of falling for reviews made by the following review "outlets" that are paid by amd:
>gAMDers nexus
>AMDunboxed
>TechpoweredbyAMDup
>level1AMDtech
>getskitfromAMDguru
>DerAMDuer
>AMDcomputerbase
>AMDPCWorld
>Intel Is Dead
>AMDTV
>AMDGaminginHD
>I'm an AMD
>Not an Intel Fan
>AMDTwoCents
>AMD Hardcore Overclocking
>AMD3D
>AMD Owens
>AMDBreviews
>AMDTeks
>AMD's Hardware
>AMD Tech Tips
>Kit (provided by AMD) Guru
>AMD Foundry
>optimumAMD
>GAMDer Meld
>CrAMDft Computing

>>103113117
4600g does not have ecc. Its 4350, 4650 and 4750. In 5000 series, can't find pro versions at reasonable prices.

>>103113146
>level1AMDtech
>gAMDers nexus
Kino. Where is HW Busters?

>>103113173
Looks like you've done your research. All good then. I'll still say it's overkill for a pure NAS - mine runs fine on an FM2 Athlon - but there's nothing wrong with that if you've got the cash and want the headroom.

>>103113193
Thanks anon Breh, I have an old phenom, should I put it on that pos?

The 9800x3d is good, but is it 600€ good?

>>103113224
Not if you can get 7800x3d for cheaper

>>103113224
No unless you really like playing factorio or stellaris, which means you are likely very autistic thus priced out of it anyway since neetbux won't be enough. Get a 12400f and be happy.

>>103113224
> 600€
price of the 7800X3D this time last week

>>103113245
Autists can't be happy owning a CPU with core count not at a power of two

I don't understand AMD. Why go through all that Zen5% humiliation?

>>103113253
Why is this true? 24 cores has given me the ick. I wanted 7950x so bad, but I know 7900x is enough.

>>103113254
Thanks to that we got the patch that boosted all zen2 to zen5 CPUs by 5-10% performance putting even the 7800x3d at 15% ahead of the 14900k

>>103113250
>>103113237
Actually I can get a 7800x3d for like 440, but I wanted the strongest possible cpu for wilds and saw that the 98x3d had a pretty big uplift over the 78x3d in dd2. The big stores in my eu shithole still haven't got them for sale, so I'm just going to wait a while longer I think.

>>103113282
>7800x3d at 15% ahead of the 14900k
WTF? That can't be real. Just for gaymen right?

>buy 9800x3d now
>use it and enjoy it at stock settings
>wait for 9950x3d reviews to see if it isn't a flop
>if not flop buy
>sell 9800x3d for $400
>?????
>profit

>>103113280
>>103113280
24 is just fucked. It's divisible by too many random numbers like 2, 3, 4 and 6 which makes it inelegant desu
Oh and numbers divisible by 10 is acceptable to me

>>103113291
>-$100 profit
ftfy

>>103113287
Yeah just gaymen. 7800x3d is pretty slow outside of that

>>103113300
48gb ram was a bit icky too.

Buy 7800x3d as a cope or wait for more overpriced 9800x3d stock.
That is the question. Maybe the 9950x3d will make its price go down.

>>103113139
The 9950X3D will have VCache on only one of it's CCDs. In games the other CCD can be deactivated by the "turbo mode" so it doesn't cause inter CCD latency issues.

>>103113313
>9950x3d
9950x3d will have scheduling problems like 7950x3d. Wingay just cannot do it.

>>103113306
A 100 dollar loss to use it for a couple months isn't that bad.
I'd rather sell it cheaper to make someone's day, but I gotta get some of my money back.

>>103113291
> sell 9800x3d for $400
Good luck selling used hardware. What could go wrong?

>>103113329
there's rumors both ccds will have x3d cache, in which case scheduling wouldn't be as big a problem

>>103113345
If the retards schedule across ccds, it will suck ass. WinJews are not even competent.

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And so it begins.

>>103113357
>>103113357
I'm still hyped.

>AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D has cropped up in the Factorio benchmark database ahead of its release. The upcoming flagship shows an impressive performance uplift against its predecessor.

>Using the 75th percentile, Ryzen 9 9950X3D delivers 655UPS (updates per second), putting it 64% above its predecessor 7950X3D, which racked 399UPS in its largest pool of results. Interestingly, this gap shrinks to 18% against the newest 3D V-Cache chip (Ryzen 7 9800X3D), which managed 553 UPS on average.

>>103113385
Big if true. Then, it might even make sense to buy the same chip for gaming and workstation.

>new gens of CPUs
>now X3D is finally released too
>new gen mobos for each socket also released
>new RAM coming out including higher speeds and CUDIMM
>soon Black Friday and Christmas when everyone will be upgrading and buying new stuff

>still have to wait for GPUs until January for the announcement if we're lucky
unironically what is nvidia's problem?

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>>103113329
> Scheduling problems
>>103113345
> rumors both ccds will have x3d cache
The "turbo mode" (part of new AGESA) can disable the CCD that has no VCache attached to it preventing any scheduling problems. This is not just a rumor. Read this:

https://videocardz.com/newz/16-core-amd-ryzen-9000x3d-cpu-mentioned-in-gigabyte-press-release

any chance the 'new' am4 chips get announced today at AMD partner summit?

>>103113400
They wanna milk the 3000 and 4000 series for all they're worth with them holiday sales.

>>103113399
It will just be significantly more expensive than a non X3D.

>>103113407
That's just your interpretation. Nowhere in gigabyte's own statement or videocardz' commentary did they talk about the cache layout

>>103113419
>more expensive
Not a problem for workstation bros. Still cheaper than threadripper.

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>>103113422
Why make such verifiably false posts?

Looks single ccd vcache sadly

>>103113480
That's carried forward from earlier leaks
This latest gigabyte leak didn't give away the cache layout of the 9950x3d and the article didn't talk about that either.

>>103113407
I'm sure there's a market for dual x3d ccds and single x3d ccds, at different price points, especially considering AMD can command a higher premium for the absolute best CPUs, these days. Barring technical impossibilities, of course.

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>>103112710
>spending $500 for a 9800 when the 9950 is around the corner
btw 9950X3D is hybrid again and not dual vcache

>>103113516
Dual x3d is literally perfect for multiboxing eve

About to hang myself because of my MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 board. I can't get the heap of shit to do a BIOS update using the Flash BIOS button. I've tried several, small USB sticks formatted to FAT32, on both Windows and Linux. All I get is the CPU EZ Debug LED lit, while the system does fuck all. CPU and RAM are removed. Any advice, anon?

>>103113545
do you know your current bios version? are you using the latest update? some boards require transitional bios between certain versions and can't jump from oldest to latest in one flash.

>>103113224
Wait a few months and you'll likely be able to get it for less.

>>103113523
>Paying $800 to have to use Xbox gamebar
Ishygddt

>>103113545
Make sure the bios is for the correct model of mb you have (i.e. WiFi or no WiFi variant etc.)

Why was it delisted from amazon?

>>103113594
J__s

>>103113566
I've no idea what the current BIOS version is. I bought the board 2nd hand. I have a 13950hx ready to go into it, but have no other CPU to test out to boot it.

>>103113587
Yup, I'm using the correct BIOS for the correct board

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Is it going to be easy to get a 9800x3d at MSRP if I'm just willing to wait a few months, or am I fucked?

>>103113616
clear cmos and try to update the bios version by version until you reach the latest one

>>103113642
You might be fucked since intel is a no show this time around and we don't know if AMD has enough capacity to service 90% of the DIY market

>5600x
>6800xt

Still waiting for am6 platform.

>>103113645
Solid advice. Thanks

>>103113673
Fuck sake, I might have to just eat shit and take 3-4hr trip to my nearest micro center.

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late to the party, god damn this is great, can't wait for the 9900X3D

>>103113681
You probably won't regret it. Even if AM6 takes 5 years to appear, you'll probably be able to score a 5800x3d for $50~100 used.

So what are you guys expecting from black friday?

>>103113693
This, get a 5800x3d and get comfy. Am4 is goated.

>>103113693
I am thinking about getting that mac mini or laptop tho, I only play shit like honkai star rail.

>>103113609
I already know who did it, but why did they do it though?

PC gaming provides valuable heating in these colder months

>>103112669
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
the 4070 super is much closer to the 7900 gre

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>>103113609
Janus?

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>>103113699
A couple of minor discounts on ssds and am4 motherboards

>>103113762
whenever the op text recommends 4070s for 1080p just ignore it

>>103113803
You jest but games these days basically require it, 4060 is a subpar experience most of the time.

what motherboard and ram should I get with a 9800x3D? B650 and CL30 6000 ram?

>>103113779
>HD Sentinel says my drive has 100 days left of life
I need those SSD discounts

At this point, unless you are doing a budget build with a 12th gen processor, it really doesn't make sense to go with Intel.
12th gen was an amazing generation and they peaked greatly there, but everything after it has been either disappointing or even downright defective.

>>103113811
>GeForce RTX 4070 Super 1080p Ultra (134.2fps)
performs well over requirement, 4060 is 85fps which is still perfectly fine

>>103113817
B650 steel legend is top dog but only if you can find it at 200 or less
Otherwise x870 pro rs is pretty good

>>103113833
The 13600K was pretty good

>>103113833
No, intel is completely DOA. A 12th generation build makes 0 sense, for the same price of a 12400 + b690 you get a 8500g + b650 mobo, and you only pay a small premium for the ddr5 ram at some markets, but you get an upgrade path in 3-5 years time.

>>103113846
>>103113817
Solid choice of board. x870 pro rs is just awesome. Nova/taichi lite if you are a rich bitch. Ram, you got it, cl30 6000 ram, any brand is fine. Its all hynix dies.

>>103113817
You will NEVER get a 9800x3d

>>103113859
>8500g

Isn't that literally the worst cpu of all time?

>>103113871
8400f

>>103113291
I really need to start doing this.

>durr buying used electronix is fucking stupid

I agree. I would never do it. But I always forget the world is filled with absolute retards that aren't like me.

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>>103113871
Average fps at 1080p from techpowerup review
Slightly slower than a 12400, but you get to be able to score a 10800x3d in a few years time on the cheap. Total no brainer

>>103113851
If by pretty good you mean literally defective silicone then sure
>>103113859
A 12100f and a mobo/ram for it is like 175$. For AM5 it's like 275$ (minimum). For a budget build that doesn't need a stronger processor, it makes much more sense to go with Intel and jump straight to am5 years down the road when you feel the need for it. The money you saved will even get you a much better board than it would now and ram will also be much cheaper as well.
In fact the board you will get in that 275$ may not even be good enough to upgrade in the future (and thus be forced to buy a new mobo anyway). AM5 still doesn't make sense for budget builds. 12th gen and AM4 are better options.

>>103113903
With that said, I accept intel selling 12400 for $90 and b660 mobos for $90, as well!

>>103113681
5000 series + 6000 series are goated combo

>>103113642
You're fine, practically 0 games are coded to make the most out of the chip anyway.
Even the 7800X3D is overkill for the games out there, people played FPS & Factorio just fine without these chips.

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>>103113906
And even then, AM4 exists.

Using absolutely lowest prices from price aggregator:
60,90 12100F + 54,90 for MSI H610 = 115,8
88,89 5600 + 48 for Gigabyte B450 = 136,89

20 eurobux difference but you do get 6 more threads. I'd say you're getting your money's worth difference in performance, too.

>>103113859
Upgradability is a meme. Unless you are an enthusiast that likes to constantly upgrade their system every few months or even every year, most people won't upgrade for at least three years.
At that point, if you still care about making the most out of your money, you will get the previously new gen hardware that is now old gen for a much better price that you would have 3 years ago and repeat the same years down the line.
If you developed a hobby for it and want to have the latest and greatest, you will skip that generation entirely and go for the brand new thing.
Either way, the premium you spend on upgradability is wasted.

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>>103114002
I agree with this preference.
If you don't upgrade PC components very often, you focus your budget on building the most performant system right now.

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I'm going to spend 6 hours riding trains on Saturday to pickup a 9800x3d from Microcenter

>>103114002
Upgradability was a meme in skylake years, it's not a meme in AM4 and AM5 years. Sorry, buddy. Everyone who has an AM4 B350 mobo and a 5800x3d processor is very amused by your post, and everyone who has an AM5 B650 mobo and will upgrade to a 10800x3d will also be so, in retrospect.

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>>103114084

>>103114084
>riding trains in the USA
based, but it's very likely to be out of stock when you get there

>>103114084
More fit men will buy it out before sunday. Go NOW. Abandon your wage cage and don't let your dreams be dreams.

>>103114084
That's comfy tho, bring laptop and watch movies.

>>103113516
How big a market for AMD to care? It's not about what some enthusiasts with endless pocket money wish. Developing and manufacturing a VCache that is accessible to both CCDs costs a shit ton of money and is only economically justified if AMD can expect to sell large enough numbers. Easy to realize that they can't.

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>>103114105
>>103114114
They emailed me confirming it was ready for pick up, and that it would be reserved for me for 3 days, so I'm hoping they actually honor that. I will make sure to call ahead on Saturday before actually boarding though. I've had nothing but good experiences with microcenter over the years, and I hope this experience continues that trend.

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>>103114084
You gonna be listening to train songs?

>>103114089
not that anon, but its a meme for gaming due to 3d cache anon. if you have an x3d chip, there is no need to upgrade.

unless you plan to go from non-x3d to x3d upgradability is indeed a meme

>>103114132
IMO you'd have a point with an 8 core x3d at $350, but you can cram more options under $500, and possibly under a hypothetical 9950XT3D with both CCDs with 3d cache priced at $900, $1000?

Finally pulled the trigger and decided to upgrade my 10 year old PC, got my hands on a 9800x3D for 540 euro. Currenly assembling the other parts in partpicker, could use some advise, budget is 2000 total, but can go to 2500 if necessary since I want this one to last till I'm too old to enjoy gaming anymore. Anyways, so far I've got:

>CPU: Ryzen 7 9800x3D (€540)
>MOBO: ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WiFi (€200)
>RAM: Kingston Fury 2x32GB DDR5-6000 cl30 (€220)
>SSD: Lexar NM790 2TB (€130)
>PSU: Corsair RM850x (€170)
>CC: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE (€40)
>Case: Fractal Design Pop Air Black Solid midi (€90)

Which puts me at a total of 1400 already. I could get a 7900XT for €700-800. I kind of want to have access to proper upscaling in the future, if necessary, so I would lean towards Nvidia if it wasn't so expensive (4070Ti super is about €1000 here, might as well go with XTX raw power then). Should I just go with my gtx970 for another few months and hope the 8800XT gives good raw rasterisation power AND scaling/tracing features?

>>103114159
X3d isn't a magic bullet, a 7600 performs as well as a 5800x3d. But the point was made while considering options in the 12400 or even a 12600k's price range, where it makes more sense to get a 8500g or a 7600 + b650 mobo for pretty much the same money.

>>103114089
If something like the 5600 is enough for your build (which certainly will be in a theoretical budget build) then AM4 makes much more sense. Then you can spend the 100$ ~ you saved by going AM4 instead of AM5 for the eventual upgrade in the future. With that money you saved, and especially if you sell your old hardware, you will easily be able to buy a new mobo/ram for no extra cost at all. Especially since the prices will be much cheaper then.
The only extra money you spend is on the processor, which you would have spent either way.
You also forget that a b350 mobo that can run 5800x3d well wouldn't be something someone on a budget bought in the first place.

>>103114179
You can use DLSS with radeon cards if you're willing to tinker a little, but I would still advice that you wait a little for new GPU releases. https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/757

>>103114133
>>103114105
>>103113642
lol amd tards are pathetic you retards fell for ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY where they pretend that their cpu is scarce and thus expensive when really it isn't. It's the Nvidia strategy of exploitation and it can only work if your product is on top and now that AMD is they're exploiting it to the fullest. Those vcache chips cost no more than 50 bucks to make the rest is pure profit that's 90% profit margin.

>>103113642
There will be plenty of 9800X3D after christmas. Eventually AMD will lower the price when they milked all early adopters and want to keep selling any units at all. Probably at some time after the 9950X3D got released and dethroned the 9800X3D as the fastest gaming CPU in the world. Yes, this is going to happen. There is no reason why it shouldn't. AMD wants to sell their shit.

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This question probably gets posted daily here but I feel like now's the time if any to buy a new GPU.
(I also don't know if the thread wall is up to date, generals have a tendency of being slightly outdated).
Haven't been keeping up with computer shit for a while and was wondering what I should be looking for and/or if there's any specific card that's the best choicefor price to performance.
I've heard to avoid X060 cards and amd equivalents but I don't really know why.
Sorry for the disturbment and thank you in advance.

>>103114198
>wouldn't be something someone on a budget bought in the first place.
But it is something that you can now consider. There isn't going to be a new socket for Zen6, and owing to AMD's business model, AM5 will be kept alive while AM6 is initially launched. They have contractual obligations to keep producing even Zen3 to this day, which is why you have the 5700X3D and the 5600 available for peanuts, and this will be the case with one of Zen4/5/6, as well.

>>103114250
monitor resolution?
current setup?
budget?
usecase?

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>missed out on a used 7800x3d for 350$ because i forgot my ebay password

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Got a 9800X3D ordered this morning to finish my new build, how's this look? Rest of the storage I'm taking from my current PC, running 1440p 165hz monitors

>>103113400
they expect people (me) to buy their 4080 super right before 50xx is released

>>103114310
only criticism would be a 4.0 nvme with cache

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I still don't get why peeps are so excited for a "gayming" CPU.

If you have already had a 7800X3D why are you upgrading? Is it really the autism simulators?

>>103114089
Price drops and the rate that technology improves completely kill upgradability for anyone that upgrades very rarely.
>>103114191
As you said yourself, entry level am5 is about as strong as the best am4 has to offer (5800x3d). But a 7600 is WAY cheaper than it.
Three years down the line when you want to upgrade, you are going to save a lot more money going for the 7600 equivalent of AM6 that going for a high end AM5 chip.
And since you saved a good amount of money by getting what you needed back then without considering upgradability, you will already have the money for an am6 mobo ready to go.
And that's only if you want to go with am6. If am5 is enough for you down the line, a mobo to for am5 + ram will be about the same money you saved by not going AM5 now. So you are literally losing nothing by going with what is enough for you right now. If anything the mobo you will get 3 years down the line will be even better than the one you overpaid for now when you didn't need it, just for the sake of upgradability.

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Just letting you all know, the 9800X3D went live on Amazon at 2:20 AM (PST), 3 hours and 40 minutes before the scheduled public release, and I watched as it was slowly scalped, though it stayed available until the official launch time. Sometimes, listings go live early through direct links so you'll want to keep that in mind if you have access to scalp chad connections.

Is this mobo any good btw?

>>103114347
pc spergs must buy every new product
it's why they freak out if a new xx70 GPU doesn't perform twice as well as the last xx70 GPU

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>9800X3D
>RTX 5090
>96gb DDR5 6000c30
>8TB NVME M.2 GEN 5
>240HZ 4K QDOLED 32" + 480HZ 1440p WOLED 27"
yep, it's time to game in 2025

>>103114162
What I forgot to mention in >>103114132 : the advantage of any VCache would be largely negated if separated CCDs needed to synchronize their access to it. More VCache wouldn't compensate this a bit. Knowing this makes me wonder what miracles people expect from a possible Double-VCache-Multi-CCD architecture. It could be even slower!

>>103114263
Ah, of course, right.
>res
1440p
>setup (specs I assume?)
i7 8700
16gb RAM, ddr4 I think
Current gpu's a 1060 6gb which I think is potentially broken and might've been releasing toxic fumes into my room for a year or two
>budget
Optimally around 400 euro/dollars maybe not possible in today's economy, don't know.

>>103114366
...and no good games to justify it.

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just yoinked a 9800x3d from best buy's website. didn't think they would restock today but i got lucky. i called my 2 local stores and they didn't get any stock for some reason. godspeed anons

Between 16gb and 24gb ddr5. both same 1 rank or not ?

>>103114198
>wouldn't be something someone on a budget bought in the first place
I was on a budget in 2007 when I bought Athlon 64 and a decent AM2 board
I was on a budget in 2012 when I upgraded it with Phenom 2 X4 CPU
I was on a budget in 2017 when I bought R5 1600 and a decent AM4 board
I was on a budget in 2022 when I upgraded it with 5800X3D
In 3 years I will still be on a budget buying a mid-low DDR6 system and I will expect it to run latest and greatest CPU another 5 years later.

>>103114084
>riding trains
Wdym? Like pajeet-style?

>>103114438
>5800x3d
>budget
lol, lmao even. Everyone is on a budget, but the 5800x3d has never been and still isn't a budget option.

>>103114381
You'll want a GPU with at least 12GB of VRAM
Rest of the PC should be ok as you're using 1440p, CPU doesn't matter as much
New options (best to worst):
>7700 XT - €369
>6750 XT - €329
>7600 XT - €300
>4060 Ti 16GB - €427 (price is the killer for this one but has DLSS and FrameGen and is much more efficient)
Also check the used market, you may be able to save enough to afford an AM4 motherboard and something like a Ryzen 5 3600

>>103114310
PSU is susceptible to coil whine, consider another model. P3 Plus is QLC garbage with godawful endurance. Rest is good. If you care about aesthetics maybe a black board would be nicer with everything else being black as well
also make sure the ram supports EXPO

>>103114471
It is if you plan your budget 5 years in advance and save up $6/month.

>already sold out
this is so fucking annoying man. where is the demand coming from?

>>103114508
>>103114332
Yeah I already have 4tb of better nvmes in my current PC, just wanted something basic for the extra slot on the new mobo. I did check the ram first, no issues there. As for coil whine it's not something I've generally been bothered by, but I will look into it. Thanks!

>>103114347
they have the updoot/upgrade syndrome.

how do people even manage to break cpu socket pins

What the fuck is a NAS and why would I need one?

What to replace my G305 with? I haven't been keeping up with the mouse space, but I've heard there are some good chink competitors

>>103114347
Because /pcbg/ attracts people who are interested in new PC components, the 9800X3D is one of the few decent product releases of this year.
I'm not saying the chip is needed, it's 100% a want.
Most people won't even notice which processor is powering a newer game @ 1440p/4K resolutions in a blind test consisting of a 5800X3D, 7800X3D, 9800X3D, and relatively new Intel CPUs.

>But the performance difference in 1080p tryhard gaming
You're probably not even a semi-pro, quit the larp.

>>103114646
Monhunt wilds is cpu limited at the moment. Might change by the time they release it though.

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SIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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>>103114616
>why would I need one
because windows sucks at raid
because you want to put all the noisy spinning rust away from your ears

>>103114656
That garbage RE engine will NOT be fixed

>>103114347
i saw the state of monster hunter wilds beta on my 10900k

>>103114656
Capcom fanboys ride so hard you’d think they get paid extra once the deed was done.

>>103114347
>If you have already had a 7800X3D why are you upgrading
sell 7800X3D for same price/more you bought it for
buy 9800X3D
enjoy 20% uplift for no extra cost?

>>103114310
Get a German engineered beQuiet! PSU: Pure Power 12M 850W. No coil whine like that shitty Corsair. Should cost the same or only little more.

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>>103114663
GOD. I LOVE MY QUEEN LISA SIU.

9800X3D videos show it clearly being held back by the 4090. That shit is dated tech now.

>>103114353
>MSI

>>103114507
ty :)
Computer component pricing is a little shitty in my country bjt I'm looking at the 7600 XT for the equivalent of about 420 euro/dollars OR the 4060 Ti 16gb for about 540.
Is there any point in waiting for a sale on GPUs now? I've heard that they won't go on sale and will only go further up in price fue to geopolitics but I have no idea if that's true. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I think retailers usually advertise gpu discounts around black friday and christmas but I suppose it could be different this year.

>>103114718
I was actually looking at that one originally as well, I am a fan of beQuiet, I think I'll take your suggestion on that

>>103114616
Storage in separate system.

would a 650w be enough for a 3070 and a 7800x3d? plan to upgrade the psu and gpu in the soon, but its what i have at the moment

>>103114310
Sn850x

>>103114438
Intel fanboys will seethe forever over the AM4 chads who went from zen 1 to zen 3 x3d. What were intelfags even using during zen 1 times, coffee lake on lga 1151? That i7 8700 aged like wine, for sure.

>>103114799
should be fine

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SOMEONE RESTOCK THE 9800X3D ALREADY

Is 16gb of vram enough for 4k?

>>103114629
now that logikek has updated the ultralight with usb-c and optical switches it no longer doubleclicks and you have no retarded charging so a safe bet to buy if you like logikek
or get chinked by something else
the viper v3 pro also has the similar shape
i like both these shape and i like small mice, they work, don't need more

>>103114846
you need a 5090 not vram

>>103114799
yeah

>>103114846
the 4080 is a 4k gpu. so yes.

>>103114844
>restocks
>preorder stock already accounted for up to January
YOU WILL SHED MORE TEARS

>>103114860
1440p gpu

b-bros, where are all the cheap 7800x3d's...?

>>103114844
You don't need more than a ryzen 5600, bro
t. cope pro

>>103114873
Nobody said cheap. MSRP is the best you can expect. You're on AM5, if you want "cheap" the 7600 is they only thing you can look at.

>>103114873
Check eBay in a week or two. People will be selling their 7800x3d to upgrade.

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3 hour round trip to MC done

>>103114888
It's 2024,
Ryzen 7600 is $180
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2 which is enough for powering a 9950X is $120
32GB of DDR5 6000 CL30 is $90
AM5 is cheap

>>103114912
how many were in stock

It's sad how superior monolithic CPUs died and nobody cares

thoughts on which am5 mobo to cop? (x870e nova, x870 mag tomahawk, or stick to some b650 like steel legend?)

>>103114952
>superior monolithic CPUs
nope

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>>103114663
That confidence

>>103114785
>Is there any point in waiting for a sale on GPUs now?
RTX 5000 series comes out early next year but who knows what the world looks like then, I'd just get the best you can during black friday, should get at least a 10-20% discount somewhere.

>>103114921
Tustin CA - apparently they had over 500 in stock. I got there after they opened so didn't see a line out front but there were at least a few dozen people picking them up.

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so a 9800x3d would be overkill if i just play shooters, mobas and rpgs right?

>>103115001
you can run CS and LoL on a 3ds

>>103115001
No you'd actually benefit from them with the fps and mobas.

>>103115001
If buying the 9800X3D means you need to pick a weaker video card, it's not worth it in most cases.

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Imagine thinking AMD and Nvidia are actually healthy competition. We really need Intel GPUs to succeed or we are fucked. I can't believe Intel turned into the underdog

>>103115001
Depends how competitive you play, how much input latency affects you and your monitor.

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>>103112669
Should I be worried about the trump tariffs? Been meaning to buy a 5800x3d and a new keyboard for a while now

>>103115001
You will need the monitor to actually make use of them though as well as other latency reducing hardware.

>>103115019
i dont think

>>103112669
Someone I know is selling their 3070. Think it would be worthwhile for me to grab? Would it even be usable with my PC?

i7 8700, 16gb ram, h310m mobo (Basically 2017 parts iirc) and a gtx970 from 2014

How much should I spend on it max?

>>103115019
we need intel gpus
we need nvidia cpus
we need arm desktop chips
we need ATI to come back

>>103115016
Nta, but what GPU is better to pair with 9800X3D so nothing is going to get bottlenecked?

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>>103115025
>>103115020
>>103115016
>>103115007
>>103115006
i think i'll just grab a used 7800x3d whenever people start selling theirs, thx. i'm a shitter that just plays with friends

>>103115056
It gets GPU bottlenecked by a 4090
They aren't out yet

Current PSU only has 1x CPU 8-pin, would this be sufficent for a B650 Steel Legend and a 9800x3D or do I need to shell out $200 more for a new one?

>>103115021
>5800x3d
That's being discontinued soon, AMD's taking retail orders for the final production batch or something.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-discontinue-ryzen-7-5800x3d/

Buy a card within 1H '25, you might be safe for the entire next year.
It takes time for tariffs to go into effect.

>>103115039
>8gb vram
>used
dont bother with it desu

>>103113693
That won't happen for a while. Even old as i7s go for a premium now. By the time the 5800x3d is at that pirce, it won't even make sense to get one.

So basically if I want to switch to DDR5 and play at 4k I should not bother with the 9800x3D, and get like the 7800x3D?

480 seems pretty cheap for something bottlenecks the fucking 4090

>>103115090
No

>>103115098
So what should I get then?

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>>103114860
> the 4080 is a 4k gpu
Even my 4090 leaves to be desired in 4k. I will use it for my 1440p display when I get my 5090.

>>103114353
>Is this mobo any good btw?
MSI Tomahawk is a decent all-rounder board, it's one of MSI's best-selling board SKU according to HWUnboxed.
MSI couldn't keep up with demand for the AM4 Tomahawk model.
It's not good for people with specific PCIe or I/O needs, or hardcore overclockers.
Good enough for everyone else.

>>103115056
> nothing is going to get bottlenecked
Do you even understand the concept of bottlenecking with hardware?

>>103115021
5700X3D is under $180 on aliexpress now. Do you want to pay double for 5% more performance?

>>103115144
This. I got a 5800X3D but would get a 5700X3D now if I had not.

>minimum 900€ for a full 9800x3D am5 upgrade
yeah I guess I'll play mhwilds at 30fps on my 5800x3D, I really should have bought a 7800x3D when it was dirt cheap

>>103114550
intel enjoyer here it was me and a million of my copies

>>103115242
900e for a 10% performance increase

>>103115242
You can buy a 9800X3D for dirt cheap later. Just learn into "deferred gratification". It's the secret of success.

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Is there any reason to switch to liquid cooling if I have the fuckhuge Noctua NH-D15?I have never done liquid / AIO before and I'm wondering if it would be worth it for my next build, because having to dismount the D15 when I want to make any sort of upgrade or reapply thermal paste, is pretty fucking annoying.

>>103115295
>Noctua NH-D15
Noctua updated that there's a gen 2 now. Only 8 years after it was promised!

>>103114550
It’s more that initial stock wasn’t big enough. More companies ought to do pre-orders months in advance to gauge production so sold out shit doesn’t happen.

>>103112669
rdna 4 when?

>>103115295
>liquid cooling
its a meme

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>>103115282
it'd probably be more than that for the games I play but yeah, it's not 900€ worth of upgrade for me now
>>103115289
sure, I was just hoping I could snatch one before mhwilds cause it kills my 5800x3D in its current state but I'll wait

>>103115316
I honestly really don't like how new PC parts are launched and sold. It's genuinely terrible.

How often do you guys upgrade your monitors? I've had a WQHD gaming monitor since 2020, and I've seen some newer models with higher refresh rates. I am unsure if i should pull the trigger on a new one.

>>103115362
My 2nd monitor is from 2014

>>103112669
any good oled monitors yet?

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>>103112669
Is there a difference between the 7800X3D and 9800X3D at 4k with a 4090?

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I did it bros! Now I need to decide which mobo and ram to get

>>103115392
no

>>103115334
Can you elaborate further on why it is?
>>103115307
Of course, I bought it last year and then they release a better version. For fuck sake.

>>103115242
The game releases in a few months. Demand should get lower and stock should increase so it's best just to wait for now. The worst I've seen with my 5800x3d is 40s in base camp, but I'm also planning to upgrade to a 9800x3d and stock in eu takes a while to arrive. Will post some benches on /mhg/ when I'll get my hands on the cpu since ive still got the cracked files.

>>103115362
mine is from 2013. I could upgrade but my gpu is old too.

>>103115392
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/20.html
nah

>>103115404
more annoying to configure
sometimes doesn't even give better temps
more maintenance
more expensive
more prone to failure

>>103115398
Where did you buy it?

>>103115425
overclockers, won't be seeing it before december but works for me since i'm too busy with work to build it this month

>>103115423
I see. I guess I'll just stick with air cooling.

>>103115413
>12700k is only less than 4% slower in 4k gaming
A-Am I doing a mistake here

>>103115444
>A-Am I doing a mistake here
spending 500 on a cpu upgrade when you play at 4k?
yes

>>103115144
Appreciate you pointing that out, saw the benchmarks were pretty marginal on 1440p and just saw one for $145.

>>103115456
>500
don't forget the mobo
and the ddr5 ram since i'm still on ddr4

>7800x3d is 800+ in kiwiland
>9800x3d will definitely be 1000+ here
>Am5 motherboard starts from 450+
Yeah it's fucking over lmao

>>103115462
kek
what's your gpu? just get a 5700x3d and spend the rest on a gpu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDNg5KiQ8iY

INTEL BTFO

>>103115476
>INTEL BTFO
intel has been btfo since 13th gen anon
btfo so hard they're going to merge a become a fab company

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>>103115473
4090
this is what i'm upgrading from

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>CPU
Ryzen 7 2700

>Cooler
AMD stealth?

>Motherboard
X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI

>RAM
2x 8GB Corsair vengence rgb

>SSD
Samsung SSD 970 EVO 500GB

>GPU
RTX 2060

>Case
NZXT H510i

>PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 850G XC ATX 3.0 PCIE 5 (double check)

>Monitor
hp x24ih gaming 144hz 1080p

Unites States
Budget: $1200-maybe$2000??
this is my current build, i want to upgrade so that i'm good to go for the next 8-10 years. currently i have a 3090 (still in box because current case is too small). mostly use my pc for gaming/multitasking. sometimes 2 games running with a couple of firefox tabs + mumble/disc + game addons and that used to be no problem but past couple years i feel my pc is struggling to perform how it used to. any advice appreciated.

>>103115495
yeah just keep that for a few generations

>>103115362
After every burn in.

>>103115444
The X3Ds have better lows (1%/0.1%), whether you notice that or not depends on each person.

>>103115392
Yes, but it's homeopathic at best.

>>103115512
Most people will just tell you to upgrade to a 5700X3D and honestly your build is pretty solid the CPU is the only bottleneck, it should pair nicely with the 3090.

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>>103115512
keep mobo/psu

>>103115512
5700X3D and 32GB of RAM are obvious. As for the card either install it or, if you can get close to $1k, sell it and buy a 4080S. You'll probably need a new case either way.
That should get you 5 years if you're sensible with settings. Ten is out of the question for any rig.

>>103115541
I'm honestly upgrading for Wilds mostly, since the beta hardly reached 60fps and I was cpu bound, while people with also a 4090 but with the 7800x3d seemed to fare much better than I did
>The X3Ds have better lows (1%/0.1%), whether you notice that or not depends on each person
I actually notice that a lot. I see almost no difference between 60 and 120fps, but the moment my 0.1% drop it's terrible

>>103115561
>>103115512
Oh but I lie, get yourself some 2x16gb ddr4 RAM so your CPU also has some room to breathe.

>>103115495
> 8 cores, 32GB, 4090
> I need to upgrade!
And I thought I was decadent kek

do the 1080p CPU benchmark translate to DLSS quality performance increases when you're on a 1440p monitor?

My dad's cpu cooler is making some noises whenever it wants or touch/shake the table just a bit.
We play some fifa once in a while but i dont think performance has to do with anything.
Whats a good one not so expensive?

>>103115618
At 1440p, DLSS Quality is something like 960p internal so expect similar to something in between 720p and 1080p benchmarks

>>103115512
You want a 5700X3D, 2x16 or 2x32 GB DDR5-3600CL16, 2 or 4TB M.2 SSD and a 4070 Ti Super. Keep all other components.

I'm a crusty boomer with a crusty motherboard that can only do PCIe 3.0, currently running a RTX 2060. Is there anything to upgrade anymore?

>>103113545
msi doesn't have ez flash from bios? Lmao what the fuck

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>>103115618

>>103112669
What's a good, budget AIO normal CPU cooler? OP only has watercooling

>9800x3d is inefficient as fuck again
I sure hope next gen will be better for both, Intel and AMD.

12400 vs R5 5600 for browsing / light work ?

>>103115823
oh no you're using 90w to get 250fps
???

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>>103115823
just manually power limit

>>103115717
For gaming even PCIe2 would be fine so long as you have 16 lanes. It'll be a while before PCIe3 is a real drawback outside of cards with low lanes.

>>103115829
In isolation they might as well be the same but in your case you'd want the 12400 since it has an IGP.

>>103115887
thank you anon do you think freecad will work just for small parts with the UHD 730 ?

>>103115895
I last used CAD in my undergrad and it worked fine on the HD4000 GPU. Don't know if GPU acceleration has been implemented but even then it'd probably be irrelevant for small projects.

>>103115820
AIO is just implicitly AIO watercooling, newfriend

>>103114663
waifu

Where do I get a Lisa Su figurine to put in my computer case?

>>103113624
There's a specific USB slot to flash the board BIOS.

>>103115944
Yeah I realized that after a while, I thought it meant "all in one" as in "fits AM4/AM5/115x etc"
People are saying Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 beats Noctua NH-D15
is it true?

>>103115867
Thanks, I didn't realize that shit is downwards compatible.

>>103115717
You can install a faster GPU and play high fps in 1440p or moderate fps in 4k even with PCIe 3.0. It's backwards compatible.