I still don't see Noctua's justification selling it for $150

>Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only)
I bought a 990 Pro for my ps5, is that bad

>>103116039
Because there isn't one. It's just fanboys or newfriends who don't know anything besides YouTube influencers telling them to buy """the best"""

>>103116015
>>103116024
>>103116036
oh MY REDDIT!!

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Still the efficiency chad

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>>103116039
>>103116053
I wonder when the Royal Preytor Ultra is finally coming out.

>>103116039
Honestly noctua isn't worth buying now that you can get an Arctic 360mm aio for less than 100 dollars

>>103116069
If you limit it to 70W does it perform better or worse than 7800x3d?

>>103116069
My PSU only has one EPS12v connector, would it still be fine with a 9800x3D?

>>103116095
it's on a smaller node (4nm) so it has to

What's current best WHITE air CPU cooler?

>>103116107
There's no AM5 cpu that needs more than 8 pins for the cpu

>>103116069
>14900k 214w
KEK, how it took the overvolt and Ultra fiasco to realise intel is finished as a company is beyond me

>>103116110
Well that would mean 9800X3D is more energy efficient in non-retarded tests.

>>103116124
The Deepcool one that's banned in Murica

>>103116160
>banned in Murica
elaborate

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>>103116006
anime pc

https://www.techspot.com/review/2907-amd-x870-motherboards/

question: will the mobos eventually receive agesa updates to be able to hit 8000 stable? the tomahawk and the nova appeal to me, but the nova seems to struggle hitting that memory point

>>103116148
the higher power is because it runs on higher frequencies and power scales exponentially with frequency but I also suspect that the cooler vcache contributes to less thermal leakage

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9800X3D BACK IN STOCK ON NEWEGG. BUY BUY BUY BEFORE YOU'RE PRICED OUT OF ENTRY TO THE AMD CITADEL

>scalpers went from selling the 9800x3d for 900 to 650$ in the span of an hour
retards lol

thanks but ill JustWaitTM for zen6

I feel like beyond the ryzen 3600 or intel equivelant there's no point in increasing cpu power, it falls into the realm of overkill, and each new release falls more and more deeper into the realm of overkill. like, why? why are we like this?

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how goes your hunt for 9800X3D /g/entlemen?
got my order in in less than 2 minutes after it was listed

>>103116039
It's the best, even if it's only slightly better than the second best, some people want the best.

>>103116209
exactly, meaning artificial power/thermal limit increases efficiency (fps per watt)
the question is, if 9800X3D is capped at 7800X3D power consumption, will it run faster? \
or if 9800X3D is capped at 7800X3D performance (or both run some equally demanding task like real time video encoding or games with hard fps cap) does 9800X3D consume less power?

>>103116201
oh >>103116160 sounded like they banned specific model, not entire company

Anyone knows if the 9900X and 9950X also have higher TDP options in the BIOS like the 9600X and 9700X?

>>103116261
I just got one after I refreshed the newegg page after not checking for hours, and it was back in stock. Death to scalpers. Now to wait for black friday for potential Mobo deals.

>>103116050
I use it on linux and it works fine so..

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I got my /g/ unapproved parts today

>>103116313
holy fuck 192gb

Fuck phone cameras..

>>103116184
Deepcool got sanctioned, all their products are off the market in the US. You can still order some from international sellers. I don't know if it would get seized by customs.

>>103116313
The SSD is approved

>>103116269
The base frequency is 500Mhz higher but I don't know if/how it's possible to lower it to compare them 1:1

>>103116313
>192GB DDR5
If that's 4x48GB all I gotta say is good luck
If that was AM5 I'd be saying RIP

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>>103116337
Is there no PBO2 Tuner for AM5?

>>103116313
>the forbidden computer

>>103116269
7xxxx3d simply couldn't boost to higher frequencies due to thermal constraints. 9xxxx3d can do so, so it gets the performance boost of zen 4 to zen 5, plus the performance lost by 7xxx due to being unable to boost to higher frequencies. My guess is that power consumption is similar to 9700x this time around, whereas 7800x3d consumed less than 7700x.

Is 1000watt PSU for 9800x3d and the 5080/90 overkill or would it be a good idea to leave some cushion for future things? Other choice would probably be 850w.

>>103116384
850W is probably overkill because Nvidia won't need to push power

>>103116349
It is
I think I have a reasonably good chance of 5200 working. Needing all that ram is why I didn't go amd.

Anyway, AMD is kang even while using TSMC's N4 process, imagine when 3D cache becomes possible on N3 and we get the Zen6 tock that better harnesses the raw power of Zen5 that is visible on benchmarks outside gaymen. Intel will only be able to catch up in 5 years.

PS: Intel Arrow Lake is on N3, lol, lmao

>>103116313
>Corsair anything
Unironically disgusting

>>103116406
>not getting corsair PSUs

>>103116384
Nope it's adequate. For a 7800X3D + 4090 850W would be enough but both 9800X3D and 5090 draw more.

>>103116413
True. This is the only exception I'll make for Corsair because I'm a SFFchad

>>103116406
Corsair is the Microcenter hillbilly junkfood of hardware.

>>103116247
wow scalpers undercut each other, no honor among thieves.

>>103116313
Update the board BIOS first before you do anything else with that CPU, better if you know how to undervolt it and adjust VRM/CPU load lines.

>>103116404
SRAM doesn't really scale with node very well. I don't see why it would help vcache specifically

>>103116349
> If that was AM5 I'd be saying RIP
why, it supports 192GB?

>>103116433
Yeah I've been tuning intel for over a decade, and I'm aware of the care needed for their newer chips especially. Will be flashing bios right away and turning on intel power spec and undervolting and disabling some unnecessary frequency features first thing after plugging it in

for cpu heavy games is it better to upgrade to a 5700x3d(270$) or 5900x(300$)? i got a 5600x

>>103116313
> 192GB RAM
> only 2TB Storage
Are you even doing real work? I have 2+4+4 TB SSD +2x20 TB HDD

>>103116486
I have 18tb x5 hdds and another 13tb worth of ssd storage they're all slower than a 990 pro though so I wanted it for a system drive. There was simply no need to buy more storage for the new build frankly I probably didn't even need that.

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>>103116406
>corsair PSU in last 3 PCs without a single issue ever

>>103116482
most games benefit from cache
some games benefit from higher clocks
very few games benefit from moar coars
but if you know that your games are cpu heavy better look up benchmarks per game

Will be have chips and components shortage like last time Trump was in office before the 5000 series drop?

>don't play enough games to justify a 9800x3d
>don't do enough work to justify a 9900x
my pc is turning 11 next year =/

Learn how to use framegen guys there's no excuse anymore.

>>103116006
waiting for rdna 4.
i'm going full amd

>>103116532
no that was because everyone was at home on their asses, what will happen is the price of components will go up thanks to tariffs.

>>103116542
Just get a 9700X then, it just had a price cut like a week ago, cool 65w TDP.

>>103116402
> Needing all that ram is why I didn't go amd.
AM5 runs 192GB (with tuning even at 6000MHz):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtMIppL9UC4

>Samsung started mass manufacture of their first PCIE 5.0 SSD in October
Worth waiting for this shit for a gaming PC or would it just be an overpriced meme?

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>>103116556
>framegen

>>103116575
they've been doing PCIe gen 5 x2 fucking worthless

>>103116575
I didn't notice anything difference going from SATA SSD to nvme ssd in gaming/OS usage. Waste of money.

>>103116573
My friend couldn't even get 192gb to run at 3600 jedec stable on his 7950x lmao

>>103116039
I unironically stuffed my case full of Noctua fans and coolers because I fell for le precision german engineering meme 4 years ago. They aren't even that quiet.

>>103116456
Just because you'll likely take a hit to RAM speed below EXPO to have them all work simultaneously (worst case is JEDEC spec).

>>103116593
And some people smear thermal paste on their DIMM slots.

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>>103116598
I want to call you a retard but it seems like you realize you were scammed so. congrats?

>>103116556
>fake resolution
>fake rays
>fake frames
No thanks.

>>103116598
Noctua is Austrian. You should have gotten German Arctic fans. Nearly same performance for a fraction of the price.

>>103116598
>having more than 2x front 1x back fans
>ever
disgusting

>>103116603
It works with recent BIOS updates, I have 4x16GB and using the EXPO profile for 6000MHz CL30 works fine. Just one minor irritation - after being turned off for a few days it seems to forget the memory training and reruns it, causing a 30 second delay before POST. Might be a weak CMOS battery.

>>103116625
> fake post
de nada

Will 9800x3d be enough to run crapcoms monster hunter wilds re dogshit engine?

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New CPU, who this.

>>103116570
yeah I'm thinking that might be the one for me
should be a good upgrade for my 4790k

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This pretty much guaranteed intel exiting the gpu market

>>103116662
nothing will be im afraid but i will try

>>103116662
Nothing will be enough to run crap. Nothing ever.

>>103116669
A770?

>>103116672
RIP

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>>103116672

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>>103116669

>>103116662
Can't fix shit code anon.

>>103116681
battlemage is the last generation

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>>103116556
No thanks ill just buy a 5080 and continue to just play nothing but text based roguelikes, stellaris, eve online, path of exile, wow (warmane wotlk), and the SC2 arcade.
>nooooo you have to play new games!!!
What if I just don't?

>>103116678
9800X3D 4080S ProArt

>>103116678
That's definitely a 4080 Super

>>103116672
They should just get out of the desktop market altogether. They want to be good at efficiency, focus on laptops.

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So if Noctua is a scam, what is the real /g/ approved air cooling solution for high-end CPUs that are at an increased risk of running hot? Is putting up with an AIO really just the best option?

>>103116707
Noctua

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>>103116654
It's quite a bit easier to run 16x4 than 48x4. You're talking about single rank quad dimm. More gb = more problems. More controller struggles. I wasn't willing to wait for zen 6 for CUDIMM support and a new better io die so amd lost me as a potential customer this upgrade cycle. Maybe next time.

>>103116707
>high-end CPUs that are at an increased risk of running hot
LN2

>>103116669
Did you look for one that matches your max GPU length? It fills the case out so nicely.

>>103116721
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NtMIppL9UC4

>>103116006
do not put your anime doll on your gpu

>>103116685
> cramped
My fingers start to ache just by looking at that.

>>103116707
Yes, ALF3 for the win.

>>103116726
Bought the gpu on release planning for a sff build. Was smallest size 4080S. Then was looking at popular cases clearance sizes.

>>103116739
Doubt that's actually stable.

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>>103116672
>If Battlemage fails
>If
It was already over before it even began. RDNA4 and Blackwell GeForce cards will be out soon™.

>>103116721
CAMM is the true future for RAM. Either way, we are definitely in a bit of an awkward position where chip makers are gearing up for making desktops that can compete with Apple SoCs.

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Will I regret getting a 7800x3d instead of a 9800x3d because I prefer lower power draw (and thus heat) due to a small case?

>>103116826
There doesn't seem to be much enthusiastic CAMM support out there, especially on desktop. I think I've only seen one board with CAMM support.

>>103116836
Yes because the 9800x3d is a more efficient chip.

>>103116774
If not at 6000, at somewhat less it will be.

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>>103116836
get the 9800X3D and a bigger case

>>103116560
Never go full retard

>>103116836
The 9800X3D runs about 10C cooler in gaming

Anyone know a good glossy IPS monitor with high refresh rate? Everywhere I've looked it's always a matte screen for some goddamn reason

>>103116707
Even AIOs will throttle i9s depending on the load.
If you just play gaymes, a Noctua or Thermalright can cool it.

Noctua advertisements say their coolers can soak up 300W power draw, but they don't mention the chip is thermally throttling at that point.
You want to stay below about 150W power draw for air cooling if you want maximum advertised boost.

>>103116836
but the 9800X3D doesn't get as hot with its cache on the bottom and no filler tile like the 7800X3D. Boosts better, can actually OC. You can UV/eco mode it if you wish to. I don't see any reason. IMO there is zero reason to but Gen 1 X3D over Gen 2. They improved everything.

>>103116836
yes, because 9800x3d is more efficient and heat transfer to the cooler is significantly better due to the relocated cache.
The few watts in power draw make basically no difference. (also you could just limit power draw by messing with PBO settings and limiting the max wattage)

>>103116836
You shouldn't use a cramped case with high end gaming hardware in the first place. Also: it's cheaper to get a bigger case than a 9800X3D. Am I in kindergarden here?

>>103116871
They wanted to sell 7900x3d's is the reason the 7800x3d has any of those flaws.

>>103116707
Peerless Assassin with phanteks T30 fans

>>103116870
>Even AIOs will throttle i9s depending on the load
My 14900k doesn't go above 80c on my aio but I've enforced intel power spec. I'm sure if you let like default niggercore enhancement and 4 judenwatt pl1 limits run unimpeded you will easily hit 400-500 watts on linpack at stock settings and sure even an aio with a good pump like the atmos will fail to cool it. But that's not due to the radiators it's due to the bottleneck at the cold plate..

Is there any single cooler than can properly cool a 400W CPU

>>103116898
>400W CPU
why does one need such a thing

>>103116870
>>103116707
>stay below about 150W power draw for air cooling if you want maximum advertised boost
Thermal throttling doesn't mean that you loose performance though if comparing CPUs.
For example, if you choose a CPU with less cores and lower TDP that always reaches max frequency over a CPU that thermal throttles but has more cores and runs more efficiently in the first place, the second CPU of course will be faster despite throttling.

I agree with the power limit though. If your PC should be silent ~120W is the max for a big dual tower, if noise doesn't matter you can go up to 150-180W but then we are talking about fan speeds that are at least in the mid 1000s.

How soon are we gonna get hit with tariffs? I want to put off buying a PC if possible

>>103116836
The 7800x3d is bottlenecked by its 3d cache unironically, the only reason it doesn't have max consumption is because it can't access the rest of its power, which AMD fixed with the 9800x3d.
>still didn't manage to buy one though

>>103116930
He's already named his Chief of Staff that shit is all coming in by the end of January max.

>>103116930
february

So when is the 9800x3d back in stock?

>>103116926
>For example, if you choose a CPU with less cores and lower TDP that always reaches max frequency over a CPU that thermal throttles but has more cores and runs more efficiently in the first place, the second CPU of course will be faster despite throttling.
My point is more about getting the advertised performance you paid for, not comparing between two different products.

>>103116836
never let your case limit your components

>>103116896
>will easily hit 400-500 watts
are there even performance benefits? Ryzen CPUs basically drop like 3-5% performance in ECO mode (88W instead of 142W), so it makes absolutely zero sense to run them at full power.

>>103116958
>>are there even performance benefits?
no

RTX 50 better be available for sale before the burgertards' mistake of a leader's tariffs run it (further) for leafs

>>103116958
Yeah an extra 1-2% performance for 50% power. Every single point on a benchmark matters when it comes to reviews.

>>103116672
>>103116691
If battlemage has 2 gpus inside then intel is cheating to make it look good. But then blackwell (5090) will also have 2 gpus inside...

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>the store i bought my 9800X3D from already increased the price by 30e

>>103116972
Intel can't afford to sell expensive and unpopular video cards.
>jus glue two cheap 5~6nm dies together~
They're not packaged for free, and Intel doesn't have the R&D to pull this kind of GPU off.

>>103116946
the whole stock has moved to ebay

>>103116875
>>103116871
Damn, I just checked a bunch of benchmarks and saw that it draws far more wattage. Thanks for saving me from wasting money for halfassed research and stupidity.

anyone know of a slim (15mm tall) front io panel?
making a custom front panel for my sff pc to fit a 140mm fan on and 15mm is all the room I have left

Which custom loop tubes are the best. Like which can I fit two together and strangle a nigger to death with it and it will not leak or be deformed still.

>>103116508
Surprised how corsair psu's are so different quality wise compared to every other component

>>103117018
They have THE jonnyguru leading their psu division

>>103116989
Don't expect power efficiency to improve much in the future, those costlier wafers go to mobile products with higher margins.

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To add to the conversation that was going on about AIO vs air cooling for CPUs. If I'm making a build with a 9800x3d that will be primarily for gaming and web browsing, can I get away with an air cooler? This is my first time using an AMD CPU.

>>103116989
>saw that it draws far more wattage
That's because it's now able too since the die can now be properly cooled

>>103116921
I'm never buying AMD after finding the only trust worthy reviewer Userbenchmark

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>>103117043
>To add to the conversation that was going on about AIO vs air cooling for CPUs. If I'm making a build with a 9800x3d that will be primarily for gaming and web browsing, can I get away with an air cooler? This is my first time using an AMD CPU.
Yes, easily. This is it under gaming load with an old (non-G2) NH-D15.

>>103117050
Truth, CPUPro is a real one!

>>103117043
It's only 120w
A phantom spirit 120 se will do just fine.

I made $2500 on the stock market today.
Rtx 5090 fund secured.

You guys lied, aio pumps aren’t loud, I set mine to 60% always and I never even hear the thing

>>103116946
If you're a burger, Best Buy and Newegg had periodic restocks throughout the day, I wouldn't be surprised if that continues tomorrow. I just managed to snag one on Newegg about an hour and a half ago, but it went back to being out of stock pretty much right after I placed my order and received confirmation. I only even saw it because I accidentally refreshed the page while swapping through tabs. B&H has it listed on their website (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1859346-REG/amd_100_100001084wof_ryzen_7_9800x3d_am5.html) but it's still marked as "coming soon" and hasn't been made available for purchase. You might have some luck if you opt-in to availability notifications, since it seems like they're still waiting to receive their initial stock, whereas other places have already sold most if not all of their initial units.

Lastly, some Microcenters still have them in stock if you're able to do an in-store purchase, but it seems like they're going fast. I was originally going to do that, and the location I planned to visit had "+25 available" for most of the day, but now I just checked and they're sold out. Microcenter is nice because you can reserve it for pickup and they'll hold it for 3 days.

>>103117056
>>103117063
Thanks.

>>103116406
Their watercooling stuff is decent

I miss EVGA

>>103117043
You can "get away" with the most pathetic crap but do you feel comfy with it?

>>103116961
I will get my 5090 for €2500. You will pay $3000. Finally some justice.

>>103117138
Last I heard about them was they sent a customer a PSU that fried his 22TB HDD, then wouldn't offer any compensation until it got brought up in the media.

>>103117147
I mean I'm just looking at it from a cost/efficiency standpoint. Why go for an AIO that's not going to last as long, if a cheaper air cooler can get the job done just as well.

>>103117169
How the mighty have fallen...

>>103116836
Yes

>>103117147
I for one like having a giant fan block on top of my CPU for maximum comfy.

welp anons, theyre finally releasing an AM5 mobo that is as good as my z890 board. Will be returning the 265k and picking up a 9950x3d when it releases

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>Newegg sent confirmation email that 9800x3d has been handed off to the courier for shipping
I don't have to spend an extra $60 to take 6 hours of train rides on Saturday anymore, for the privilege of paying an extra $10 due to higher taxes in the state where my nearest Microcenter is. What mobo should I be looking for on Black Friday?

>>103117271
which board is that

>>103117283
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870I-AORUS-PRO-ICE#kf

Im sure they will make a mATX version by the time the 9950x3d comes out. If not, the itx version will suffice .

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Want to play Stalker this month, but I know jack about pc building for the most part. Is this any good? Everything else is covered.

>Gigashyte
Almost had me

>>103117321
In 12 years of building, I have not had a single issue with them. so I will keep buying them

>they also let me RMA several broken GPUs that I bought on Ebay no questions asked, so infinite profit

>>103117183
First define the "job". Then compare the options. An AIO like ALF3 of course is more effective with cooling a CPU, allowing for lower temps, higher clocks before throttling sets in. And it has a different noise pattern, it does not suddenly spin up it's fans on spikes in CPU activity unless you connect it's fans directly to CPU temp. The fan curves of an AIO can follow the temperature of the radiator that heats up rather slowly unlike the CPU or the heatsink of an air cooler. And with an AIO you have a lot more free space around the socket allowing easy access to cable headers and DIMM slots. I won't ever go back to monstrous air coolers because of this alone. If saving 30 bucks is more important to you than all these advantages you will go with an air cooler nevertheless.

>>103117269
cope

>>103117317
>stalker 2
Anyone know if that'll get bundled with 40xx's? I was thinking of buying now but I don't want a Star Whores key

>>103117317
I mean it's a stalker game, it will be able to run on soviet era potatoes and farming equipment

Can a NH-U12A cool the 9800X3D?

>>103117368
what, it's actually releasing?

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>>103117368
MSI are bundling it with a 4070 Ti Super but that might be limited to that special edition

What should my approach be to building a pc in the next couple of months to replace my aging GTX 1080 Nvidia PC ? all the tariff shit that's incoming has me thinking I need to make a rig that will last me another decade at least. Do I wait to grab a 50XX series card if possible? Cash in on 40xx? I haven't bought or built a PC in ages, so I haven't kept up, but my budget is anywhere between $1,500-$3000

>>103117390
i know this must have been in development for like 12 years

>>103117383
It cools my 5700 x3d so probably yeah

>>103117383
No, it will be cooked.

>>103117383
Just get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit

>>103117383
>$130 for a single tower cooler
Why in the fuck would you get this
Also, I really doubt it can, I recall seeing the 7800x3d really struggle with a single tower cooler, and that chip should run colder

>>103117393
>Slim
>Still 300+mm
Lmao what the fuck is a non slim

>>103117393
Looking closely the deal on SW is until the 19th so I guess they'll switch to Stolker and I can get a different card.

>open window
>really cold but tolerable
>PC case/fans start making noise from vibrations
I hate physics.

>>103117364
I just spent 1600 dollars on a new build. I could have easily bought an AIO for an extra 100. Yet, I am the one who is coping about what cooling method I use.
I believe you are projecting, sir.

>>103117406
>Just get
I already have the cooler.
>>103117409
The 9800X3D runs cooler than the 7800X3D according to reviews, no?

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>>103117383
more like noc tuah
I'll walk myself out

All my shit is coming in tomorrow
I have my stuff backed up
God give me strength that everything goes fine when I put it together on Saturday

>>103117390
Less than two weeks seems too short of a notice for another delay, so I guess this is it for real.

>>103117411
typically slim/fat refers to cooler thickness in slots, not length

>>103116818
at least they're releasing it before the next gen or really late this gen so can price it aggressively

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i'm worried about RAM clearance. any better suggestions or should it be fine? going off the OP's recommendation at 6000 CL30

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Finally, real reviews will be coming.

>>103117478
It's still effectively 3 slots tho

>>103117504
Just move the fan up a bit if the ram is too high. It literally won't matter.

>>103117496
>price it aggressively
No, they'll make as much money per unit while they can.
They're burning through cash already.

>>103117506
I don't think Thief II and PSO would be a very good benchmark here.

>>103117506
inb4 DDR5 4400 and it will still dominate

>>103116445
It's not dead yet. Tsmc announced a one-off sram shrink with their 2nm GAAFET node.

>>103117553
yeah because we're going to be on 2nm for a decade so its going to be cheap

>>103116502
You really should have gotten an optane drive if performance was your goal. It has much lower latency than nand and can fully saturate your CPU from io operations.

>>103117569
why the fuck did Intel sell optane instead of making it mainstream

>>103116556
Framegen is one of those features nobody asked for and nobody likes and will be forgotten in a couple years

>>103117478
Yeah I don't know what msi was cooking with there 40series
>4080s slim is 3 slot 320+ mm

>>103117576
Because Intel needs cash on hand. Shit they sold their stake in Arm for a relative pittance.

4070 ti super now, or I just wait for the 5000 series. My cpu is a 5700X3D and I don't care about beyond 60fps stable on newer games. I just want to spend a lot so the card will last years. My psu is a 650W.

>>103116681
>Already over hyped
There's no way they'll meet the insane expectations put on them
Arc is as good as dead today

>>103117504
Get Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan or T-Create Expert
They're low profile enough that you won't have to shift the front fan at all
Source: (Me) who built PCs for friends using PS120SE and those RAM kits

>>103117590
My 4080s pulls 320w 100% load and 5700x3d pulls around 50-70 watts so take that as you will

>>103116958
Raptorlake is built different and has performance scaling upwards of 0.5kw if you have the cooling for it

>>103116090
lol most products that are showcased during these type of conventions almost never release, there was a silverstone 3000 watt psu showcased one time a few years ago which never released (it was supposed to be eu only or some bullshit i dont really remember), then recently there was the seasonic noctua edition psu which also never released despite it being almost a year

>>103117643
So you are hinting that it is enough 650W right. I am just wondering if I should pull the trigger now or just wait the 5000 series reviews instead.

>>103117576
>>103117569
more recent nand controllers just brute forced performance similar to optane drives at the cost of write endurance, but even back when p4801x was just released its performance was virtually indistinguishable from top m.2 nand ssds (that cost an order of magnitude less) in any desktop and most server tasks, only recommending it for cache/journal where its endurance starts to matter.

>>103117081
Pump noise has been fud for over 10 years since asetek released their newer gen pumps. It's only the late 00s or early 10s aios that were noisy.

>>103116836
the 9800x3d outputs less heat at higher wattage, you can also power limit it to 35watts, 50 watts, 65 watts etc and it would still have more performance

>>103117684
I went a bit overboard with 850w lmao, 5080 is rumoured to have 400w tdp

>>103116869
>glossy ips
almost non-existant, i can only think of semi glossy panels

>>103117703
Yeah 5080 might be not good enough for a 650W PSU I guess

>>103116006
Considering getting a Radeon 7900 XT or XTX. How mentally retarded am I? I unironically just game, I don't 3D model, I think FSR is for niggers, but my RTX 3070 is a piece of shit.

>>103117688
They're still not even close. Optane is still at least 3-5x faster in 4k random reads and 10x less latency

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>>103116006
> browse Internet
> keep seeing people who get insane deals for their hardware (like half price newer model GPU etc.), getting free stuff, Amazon accidentally sending them something better etc.
> get my hopes up a bit
> browse my marketplace
> insanely overpriced e-waste everywhere
> not a single article that could be considered a "steal"

I fucking hate my country :/

I need some guidance on GPU brands, I haven't built since my 980ti rig a decade ago, and right now it just seems weird to pay a 100-150 USD price premium on a "good" brand when I can just go to the next tier of GPU at MSRP, albeit on a card that looks generic as hell.

>>103117147
an aio's pump can fail or die after a few years, or even get an air bubble
how is that comfy, just slap an air cooler and never have to worry again (no need to even repaste if you have honeywell ptm7950)
>>103117383
i would bet even a low profile cooler like the nh l9a or the axp90x47 copper can cool it

>>103117750
You get the cheapest that fits your case with best cooling, aka never rog strix
>340mm 4 slot monstrosities
Lmao

>>103117759
>an aio's pump can fail or die after a few years, or even get an air bubble
refill it, my aio came with a bottle of extra coolant

>>103117750
for 4000 series gpus get either pny or gigabyte, both are cheap and gigabyte has the least amount of coil whine
pny is a decent brand which makes nvidia's quadro line of gpus, dont get the verto make sure you get the xlr8

>>103117766
Im Kind of a newbie, may I ask why people here seem to hate strix? (at least from the few interactions I've had so far)

Aren't they supposed to be like a super expensive, "high quality" brand?

>>103117775
you dont need to refill an air cooler

>>103117355
Nah I really do fucking hate my D15 being so big, dismounting and remounting it is a fucking pain. I've basically put off adding another M2 SSE to my current PC because I don't want to go through that shit again. I'm just worried about an AIO breaking prematurely or some doomsday scenario where it leaks, but the ALF3 does look nice.

>>103117665
I'm still waiting for the lancool 217, and based on other cases having trouble with the meme wood panels I'm sure that's what's holding it back. I fucking hate this wood meme shit, hopefully the next fad is something actually good like different colored chassis a la fractal pop.

>>103117784
strix used to be asus' premium high end line of products, but over time asus has gotten worse in quality, now the strix line maintains its ultra high price point all based on name, youre paying extra for the brand basically
asus' QC and RMA has become horrible these days
i would stay away from them if i were you

>>103117703
>>103117724
Why do retards still believe rumours about Nvidia GPU TDP?
The 4090 was infamously rumoured to have a 650W TDP before release and it ended up at "only" 450W and it doesn't even pull that number in most scenarios

>>103117789
do you at least clean your air cooler when it's full of dust or is that too much work

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>even the mobo+9800x3d bundles are out of stock

>>103117784
well they got the super expensive part right.
ROG exists to extract the most money possible out of retarded gaming fanboys. This is mostly done by adding as much RGB and LCD screens as possible.

>>103117811
you dont need to do that if you have dust filters (at most a few months or once a year just blow some air at it for 5 minutes)
have you tried keeping your room clean?

>>103117817
So far in this general 2 people have one, a guy that drove to his microcenter that said they were all sold out when he got back and another guy that said his is getting delivered in december.

>>103117817
Who's buying them? DIY pcbuilding is still a niche, I don't give a fuck what anyone says. Buying laptops / phones / prebuilts is what 99% of the population does. This isn't the COVID era anymore.
I'm going to find these bot faggots scalping on Ebay one of these days.

So, is the general consensus that NVMe speed doesn't really matter for gaming? And that we’re fine picking whichever one is the lowest $/GB?

>>103117836
As long as it's not QLC NAND, yes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DfGNPiNTuM
You don't need a good CPU for playing games on high resolution.

>>103117801
i remember that case, i was excited for it too but i forgot about it after some time
looking up info online says it was supposed to come out last month or q3, and were already in q4 so seems like its either delayed or wont release
im fine with my small but trusty meshify c

>>103117801
The only actually good fad would be maximizing airflow/durability/compatibility while disregarding aesthetics entirely.

>>103117836
>NVMEtldr
The actual story is that I sucked my own dick because Mcdonalds screwed up my order and some transexual woman was into it but Im not gay so I rejected her and she killed herself and blamed me in the suicide not.

>>103117835
I remember people setting up false meetups with those scalpers to waste their time during COVID
And then failing to scalp the 7000 series and rtx40 series last 2 years, returning them to stores and near instantly fixing the supply problem

>>103117820
>>103117803
I see thank you

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*puts the computer case on top of his desk right near his head*
*turns on rgb to the max*
>fan noise this, you need an AIO that, pump noise this, yap yap yap

>>103117738
maybe the retard prices are an invitation to barter,
>offer 25% of the asking price
>swap in an SSD
>put in a bargain bin graphics card
>install gentoo

Deutschland has better prices on new hardware than where I'm at, Amazon has some really good deals and occasionally Ebay listings will be really good on used hardware. If you don't care about gaming and are on a budget used think pads and thinclients are probably very good value for your money and they're decently up-gradable.

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all hail the greatest pc case of all time

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>>103117738
Meanwhile, in America

>>103117902
Learn to cable manage

>>103117902
That honor goes to the Ncase M2

>>103117913
micro center?

>>103117843
How many fucking times must I repeat myself, I will not deal with dogshit 1% and 0.1% lows.

>>103117922
Literally a Walmart logo on the receipt

>>103117921
>small case
kinda feels like small dick energy desu

>>103117930
tf how

>>103117902
Not blocky enough. The front panel is still too fancy.

>>103117829
I sniped one from a Newegg restock a few hours ago. Supposed to be delivered next week.

>>103117825
I live in a very old house, lucky enough to have HVAC with a filter I can change

>>103117902
>2 front panel USB ports
Why is this allowed? At least some are "generous" enough to add a retarded useless USB-C port on top of that, but this one doesn't even have that.

>>103117937
Who knows? Could be Walmart just clearing out all stock because they decided it's not worth selling PC hardware or that particular store doesn't want to carry that stuff anymore

>>103117939
>wide manlet vs tall slenderman
clash of the titans
>>103117953
its old, released in 2017

>>103116404
>>103116445
home server general, this scales really well

>buy 5090 for 2000$
>wait a week for Trump Tarrifs to kick in and the >price increases to 6000$ retail
Sell 5090 for 5900$ used

>>103117966
>its old
So nobody would complain if they were to throw in a 2.0 port or two. Even today, really. Not everything needs 3.0.

>>103117974
Doing it wrong. You buy multiple 5090s, keep one for yourself, and resell the rest

>>103117974
Might as well sell it for 5090 so it's funnier.

>>103117975
I'm not buying a case with USB 2.0 ports on the front panel no chance in hell.

>>103117951
well i guess you could say computers work as air purifiers also by taking in all the dust from the room, theyre also heaters so they really are multi-purpose built

>>103117975
But USB 3.x does everything 2.x does THOUGH

>>103117846
According to their rep it's "coming before end of year"

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>>103117929
The video basically says the same thing. Its not even just better 1% lows its more average fps as well as more max fps even at 4k.
That was a bait post for non 9800x3d havers coping about saying bullshit.

>>103117956
I remember that anon, it was a showroom PC that was in clear out/sale

>>103117974
Good idea anon, tiem for me to look for a 2nd job so I can hoard 5090s to upsell after tariffs.

>>103117975
who even cares about case ports? your motherboard has all the ports you need

>get 9800x3d
>bottlenecks the gpu
>get 5090
>bottlenecks the cpu
>etc
i'm on to your games

So when is the 7800X3D markdown?

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>>103117994
It costs more, and they were clearly being stingy. Ideally it'd have four 3.0 ports, but 2.0 is better than literally nothing.

>>103117994

>>103118019
Fool, put it on credit since the scalping will pay for it all

>>103118036
in 2 weeks when the 9800x3ds actually start coming in

>>103118037
Completely ruined my stupid meme response by quoting the same post instead of >>103117987

>>103118025
>bottlenecks the gpu
ignore the upgrade jew and stop here
cpu bottlenecks causes bad 1% lows and should be avoided at all costs

my 5 7600 will last me until the 10900XTX or the nvidia 7000 series
suck my dick

>>103116006

Burger anon here. Im looking to roll with a Fractal Torrent Nano. Gonna be getting the 9800x3d when its available. I wanted to know what is /g/s best suggestion for a mITX motherboard?

>>103118106
>10900XTX
nah. it will last until the 10700XT but should be great for the 9900XTX

>>103118106
you'll suck mr goldstein's dick once you realize your error

>>103118114
You don't need more than Asrock B650I Lightning

so 9800x3D only makes sense over 7800/5800x3D if you are at 1080p, and even then it's debatable. I get buying it now but 7800x3D had amazing deals a year ago.

>>103118114
https://youtu.be/YsmStRPI47I?t=970
b650i aorus ultra

>>103118025
Isn't wilds the only game where 7800x3d is bottlenecking?

>>103118160
hogwarts with rt, remnant II in busier areas, cities skyline, baldurs gate 3 etc.
its not the 2010s anymore, we have lots of modern games that are cpu heavy, and RT itself is very cpu heavy

>>103118153
This is tested with a 7950X which pulls way more watts than any X3D chip so none of the boards will ever run into VRM issues with X3D chips

>>103118106
Your 7600x won't even make it past Monster Hunter Wilds

>>103118191
the gigabyte has 3 m.2 slots anon

>>103117913
>walmart selling that stuff at a brick and mortar.
teh fuq

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Any ATX cases not mentioned in the OP that I should consider if all I care about is airflow?

>>103118190
Would a 7950x3d be any better?

>>103118152
I'm coming from a 3600, so pretty much anything is worth it. Might as well go for the best current.

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Yeah yeah yeah, but when's the 5070 or 8800 XT coming out

>>103118214
7950x3d will be much faster at building shaders but its not faster (often slower) than 7800x3d when actually gaming.

>>103118217
>AM4
5700X3D is $150 with 11.11 coupons, $180 normally on ali
Get better GPU instead with money saved on cpu, motherboard and ram

>>103118208
Phanteks Enthoo Pro is pretty good

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>>103118152
nah, 1440p gets an uplift too.
the 5800X3D might be worth upgrading from but chances are you can wait for Zen6X3D
no real point upgrading from the 7800X3D unless you want to sell it for $300 to pay for the 9800X3D

>>103118239
this is the way.

>>103118252
zen5's 1% lows are insanely high wth

>>103118196
ok but even a 7800x3d is having issues. that game is fucked...

>>103118208
After checking reviews/tests for each one in the OP I ended up buying the Lancool II Mesh instead. It supposedly outperforms III in airflow most of the time. My only complaints would be the lack of any kind of dampening/padding on the HDD cage and the glass panel being a glass panel. It being on a hinge is nice though.

Why dont monitors have a big lense on them that makes the picture slightly fuzzy instead of wasting gpu on AA?

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>>103118208
Corsair 5000D Airflow. Super easy to build in, cools great. Just note though, the black case has a DARK smoked glass panel, and only the white case is clear.

>>103118277
cache finally allows the higher IPC to shine

>>103118277
that's why I'm not worried about Jewfus trying to choke the performance of the 9800X3D to make it look bad. he can try his best but it will just make him look like the clown he is.

>>103118278
I don't think there's any hardware combination that didn't have some kind of issues during the beta. personally I don't think they should have used the engine they did(RE engine) but we'll see if it's remotely functional in a few months time

>>103118294
since he never shares his settings (because "people will steal them") i'm going to assume he just uses some weird voltages to make the infinity fabric unstable
i've never seen any evidence of the "AMDip" in the real world (you can enable a frame time graph in afterburner, you know)

>>103118294
he will find a way somehow
his $3000 intel bundles will have mad margins once the 285k is discounted by retailers for not moving

>>103118312
7800x3d has worse 1% and 0.1% lows than the 14900k in many (not all) games despite having a better average. you can see this yourself in GN's and Geekerwan's reviews

>>103118317
yeah sure but that's not what he tells you
he tells you the AMD chips are stuttering hard and no one can tell except him and his circlejerk discord
in reality he's just doing something wrong, either intentionally or because he's too retarded to stress test properly
the lower 1% lows for the 7800X3D in some games can be explained by the substantially lower frequency and IPC, raptor lake objectively has more processing power than zen 4, but that's not the case for zen 5

>>103118231
Hopefully soon, I need the 5090 to drop before tariffs or I might have to settle for a 4080/4090 for the next 4-5 years.

>>103118340
>>103118340
>>103118340

>>103116313
>intel aviv
rip

Really all these reviewers should have hacked wilds beta to be playable and tested 9800x3d on it

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>>103117829
H-hey, I got one, too
A whole stack of parts!

>>103117886
Pc on desk is the only way to do it right
>>103118289
I'd imagine such a lense would be 10x the cost of the rest of the monitor and not feasible

>>103118290
Ah I think I was looking at this last year when I was first considering a new build. Thanks anon, pretty sure this will be my front runner unless some crazy holiday sales occur.

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>>103118409
It's a big case that will hold anything. I did a build in the 4000D Airflow that's a bit smaller. A little cramped, but still works. Limited to a 240 AIO on the top.

>>103118404
do not strap cirno to it for cooling purposes

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>>103118474
Would never
During the summer I even go to great lengths to keep her cool

>>103118294
>Jewfus
who?