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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
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Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CPU
Gaming: 12400, 7600, 9800X3D; for existing AM4 users: 5700X3D
Workstation: 265K, 9900X, 9950X

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60
Double towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, B650 Steel Legend, cheap X870

>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x48GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580
Mid range: NM790
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only), SN850X
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5

>GPU
1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE
2160p: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTX
Workstation: RTX 4000 Series

>CASE (from $ to $$$)
mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/III
AVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases

>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
AVOID: GAMEMAX
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>MONITOR
1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D
4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF

>OS
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>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
High end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)

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>>103188033
aqua is about to get melted by the gpu
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>>103188049
inshallah a 4090 with an exposed heatpipe shall melt her, she's not even the best god in her series nevermind best girl
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Does anyanon own ASRock SL with white parts in black windowed case? Plz share
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Finally got a 9800x3d 853dollarydoos
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European here.
I know you american friends have different sales tax for each state. But when you say a product costs, say $500, are you including the tax in that?
When a Youtuber says "I got this CPU for $500", is that with or without tax?
Say, for example, if I buy something on Newegg or Amazon, at what moment does the tax show up?
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>>103188272
it shows up at checkout
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How difficult will it be to acquire a 5090/80 when they release next year? I've never bought new but I've got money these days and I am deciding if I go with a 4080/90 now, or wait.

If I went 80s I would go 1440p, but if I went 4090s I would grab a 4k. My only concern is that 4090s don't seem to always hold 60fps in 4k.
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>>103188272
Ausfag here everywhere has tax and shipping usually built into the price some states in America have more or less tax
>>103188342
Cant even find one here and their over 2000usd used good luck i gave up just keeping my 7900xtx
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Current: Alienware Aurora R5 (Dont know the mobo)
Monitor: MSI MAG24C
CPU: i7-6700K noOC
GPU: GTX1080
RAM: 32GB
Storage: 2TB

Specific use cases: Playing CS2 (ONLY) want the best perfomance (I have 250fps avg and 112fps 1% but in want to at least double that)

Country: LATAM but I will buy inside the USA so, USA.
Budget: Prefer 600$/700$ Max

Help this poor guy
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So all the products that are announced with MSRP prices are without tax, am I right?
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>>103188357
Correct.
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>>103188351
Either 7600x3d or 14600k rustfire
3080/6800xt or better
Cs2 is trash played it when it first came out then it became as bad as all the other source games ruined with updates lack of support from valve hackers cheaters all feel like a downgrade from 1.6 and cs source
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Should i replace my 650 watt psu from 2016
It seems to work fine
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Changed my case because the old one was too small with terrible airflow.
The good, baby's first attempt but I didn't break anything and I'm using it right now.
The bad, I've underestimated how shitty a prebuilt pc for this.
>PSU cables are too small, right now having it sit on top of the case is the only way I could plug everything
>The motherboard is also small so it sits on 4 screws instead of the 6.
>There's also only 1 fan socket on it.
>Can't find the motherboard power specifications online so I can't connect the new case +/- power connectors, I have no idea where I'm supposed to plug those. Right now I'm using the power connector from the old case to boot up the machine.

As for the case itself, looks like there's only one sata storage spot? I'm using my old HDD but I wanted to add another SDD since the motherboard can handle 2 sata. Also unsure where I'm supposed to put the dvd reader from the old case.
I want to keep the upgrades to a minimum. It's an old i5 7400 GeForce GTX-1050 but they're both not worth upgrading with that motherboard. I just plan to build a completely new PC in around 2~3 years. I'm unsure if :
>I should pick cable extensions or invest in a new PSU
>Same for external SATA powered extensions for both the fans and the new SDD.
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want grafix but all my upgrade options have glaring disadvantages
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>>103188420
No
Im currently using a psu from 2010 to power a 7900xtx pulse 450w 3x8pin lol
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>>103188411
Dude wtf, watch the budget lmao
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>>103188423
Same its either stay with 7900xtx i got cheap or pay 4x more lose money selling it for only 1x faster with a 5090 that will bottleneck on my 9800x3d
Guess ill wait for udna and amd to start giving a fuck about gpus by 2030
Swore id never buy another nvidia gpu new scalped or used since my 2080ti and i never did
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>>103188430
You asked for 300fps your not getting that with a budget maybe if a 7500f oc to the moon and a cheap 2080ti or 6800 comes up used and you sell your old shit
Theres been no budget options since 2014
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Couldn't run a game smoothly for the first time yesterday and figured I should upgrade my PC. But then I realise I could simply not playing that game.
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>>103188420
mine is from 2014 and is still good. but you could replace if your building a new system
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got asked to create a mid-budget PC around that CPU and GPU:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WJ6gsp
is there anything i can upgrade without changing the price (too much)?
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>>103188342
the scalping and scarcity meme is over, not every single normie is buying a niche top end 2k+ 5090 gpu
so no, you will be able to buy them, if they sell out, they will restock
4090s are sweating to push 1080p50 in modern games with everything turned on so yeah

>>103188423
1) buy an oled
2) buy a 5090
3) upgrade cpu too
this is flowchart

>>103188450
>with a 5090 that will bottleneck on my 9800x3d
tf
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>>103188484
>around that CPU and GPU
why?
why so slow ram on purpose?
why..
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>>103188486
Most modern games are bottlenecked on the GPU side, at least in 4k resolutions.
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I got rid of the tumor that was the Nvidia adapter
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>>103188494
you cant complain about being gpu bottlenecked its the favorable solution tf
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>>103188490
because budget
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>>103188494
Im almost running 6k in vr and 8k when i get a quest 3
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>>103188497
Didn't GamerNexus make a video about these 90 degrees adapter melting?
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>>103188511
It's not an adapter
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>>103188504
>budget
>buys a NH-D15
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>>103188350
>Cant even find one here
Do you mean you can't find a 4080S or 4090? Because I've found multiple here, also ausfag.

>>103188486
>the scalping and scarcity meme is over, not every single normie is buying a niche top end 2k+ 5090 gpu
Well thats good at least.
>4090s are sweating to push 1080p50 in modern games with everything turned on so yeah
Wait what. 4090s should be maxing everything with 0 effort. Unless we're talking about unoptimized messes like Wilds.
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>>103188517
yes because you can migrate this cooler to a newer build in the foreseeable future
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>>103188546
Literally just buy new mounting hardware. Free mounting hardware every gen isn't worth a $60 price increase over a Peerless Assassin.
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>>103188530
Try finding one for under 3k
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>>103188497
Are you monitoring the temps on that cable ? Not a fan of the 12vhwpr connector ever since it came out 4yrs ago
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What are the odds of the 5090 actually costing over 2000$?
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Why is it that only 8600 is the only newer amd cpu without dedicated gpu.
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>>103188611
Theres a couple at $3099. If you're going to drop 2x the price of a 4080S is the extra 100-300 bucks really the make or break here? You're already in wasting money territory as is.
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>>103188484
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8xFnQd

If you already have the 3060 Ti, it's fine, but if you're buying new then there's way better choices than that card.
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>>103188628
Considering the 4090 retails for $1800. I/'d say it's likely, especially for partner GPUs.
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>>103188628
100%
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>>103188033
anime pc
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>>103188351
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W2gycx

Rough go at making a build. It's kind of unrealistic to make a build with this budget and hope for double the performance but I tried. You can use your old RAM and storage, and probably sell some of your old parts for a bit more budget.
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>>103188643
>>103188665
isn't that incredibly anti-consumer though? doing a $500 jump from the previous gen for 10% boost in power?
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>32gb is enough
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>>103188674
Since when does Nvidia respect consumers?
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>>103188679
For gaming it should be. If you're doing workstation stuff or running 100 Opera GX tabs than 64 gigs is better
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>>103188674
>isn't that incredibly anti-consumer though?
Consumers don't respect themselves why would Nvidia. Plus the 90/80s are basically for the top 5% anyway who will buy anything you put in front of them.
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>>103188674
>incredibly anti-consumer
They're selling like gangbusters. They're just matching the demand.
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>>103188628
Usd? 200% its gonna get scalped to double that now that amd and intel dropped out
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>>103188708
>>103188699
>>103188697
>>103188686
so if I basically only play games and want to future-proof for 5-7+ years, should I just go 5080 instead of 90?
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>>103188674
doesn't matter. they control the market
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>>103188792
The truth is that we have no idea yet until the final reviews/benchmarks are out
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>>103188792
>gaming
>want to future-proof for 5-7+ years
ryzen 3600, 16gb ram and a 3060 12gb
all you have to do is be more powerful than PS5 and the new xbox, that's it
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>>103188792
>so if I basically only play games and want to future-proof for 5-7+ years, should I just go 5080 instead of 90?
You need to define your screen first and what games you play.

2160p + 140 fps. Not happening this gen easily with modern games being so poorly optimized. Maybe 5000s, we don't know.
2160p + 60 fps. 4090, barely.
1440p. 4090 is massive overkill, but that isn't necessary a bad thing, its a good card but overpriced, you will max everything and never think twice. 4080 is the more sensible option, I doubt you will ever have an issue running anything max.
1080p. Any 4000, you're fine.
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>>103188033
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but yesterday I finally built my PC and all I had left to do was prepare a windows boot drive and transfer my data from my laptop.
The problem is I got unlucky and after turning it on again my laptop completely died out so now I'm stuck without an OS. I planted my laptop SSD into my PC but UEFI isn't detecting it so I assume either it's incompatible or maybe I need to install Windows 10 on my new blank SSD before accessing my data again.
Basically what I want to know is how can I boot my old laptop SSD to access Win10 and/or my files on my new PC, I have my important stuff like my password manager on an external hard drive but I still don't want to lose almost a decade worth of data.
I know USB to M2 adapters exist but I'm hesitant on spending $20 for one in case it still doesn't work or if I don't need it. If it helps the SSD is a Toshiba KSG60ZMV256G (picrel) and the motherboard is an ASRock B650M Pro RS on BIOS version 3.01
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>>103188879
just put it in your pc's second nvme slot
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>>103188573
how old is this Peerless Assassin? will it last those 10+ years like Noctua did (for me)?
>>103188637
that ASRock looks nice. thanks for suggestion
also RAM has to be 64GB due to potential 3D rendering and Stable Diffusion and i can get that particular Corsair for cheap. but maybe i'll find some faster G.Skill for good $
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is thermal paste pump out on high end gpus real?
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>>103188792
honestly the 5080 is a step back from even the 4090d
get a 4090 or wait for 5090 long term
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>>103188628
Price rumors were that it's going to be about the same as the 4090, which would make sense since the perf boost probably isn't going to be particularly impressive.
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>>103189029
Barely anyone has a 4k anyway, do we even 'need' 5000s.
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>>103188834
Some of us want our games to look better than they do on consoles, Anon. It's going to be very funny when every single Rockstar fanboy buys it thinking that they're going to get graphics anywhere close to what was shown in the teaser on their Xbox One S or PS5.
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>>103188951
You'll find out when the video card fans run faster & louder.
It's most likely due to a bad batch of thermal paste supply.
It can't be deliberate because RMA is painful for margins, especially if they have to provide free shipping.
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>>103188951
Never happened on any cards I've ever had.
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picked this up for 200usd with their 480mm aio did i do good?
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>>103189046
i have a 4k
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>>103189130
Yes well just like your mum said you're special and in the 1% who do
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>>103189142
what an angry little man
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>>103188920
Peerless Assassin came onto the scene like 3 years ago, it's become the standard recommendation for dual tower air coolers, since it has high performance at sub $40. In terms of longevity, it's an air cooler, so even if it fails the most you have to do is replace the fans, which would cost less than the price difference for a NH-D15 anyway.
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>>103188920
>>103189151
Also my bad on the RAM, was assuming you were just gonna be doing gaming.
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>>103189150
>not being angry 24/7
What a fag
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how does the cooling work in those founder edition nvidia cards? are they blowers?
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>>103189186
I thought generally speaking, they're worse than non-founder cards. Look pretty, run hotter.
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>>103188911
I did which is exactly why I'm confused, I put the SSD back in just now and nothing different happens, in storage configuration it only sees the blank one in the first slot. I tried both slots 1 and 2 (haven't tried slot 3) as well as with and without the other SSD which is why I want to know if it's a compatibility problem or something. I'm 90% sure the SSD itself is fine so I don't know what the issue is.
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>>103189186
Yes, they are dual axial fans, one on the front and the other in the back. They are not quiet ootb whatever the shills say.
I own the 4080 Super to know it. I have a very good GPU but it's thermally limited by the FE cooler, which is supposed to cool a 600W draw 4090 (4080/S FE uses 4090's cooler).
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>>103188792
wait for 5080ti/super
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>>103189236
>but it's thermally limited by the FE cooler
It runs at 69C
I'd really like to know what anechoic chamber you have your PCs in where the 4080 FE is "loud"
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>>103189228
Put your normal drive into the first slot and your laptop drive into your second slot.
Boot into window with your normal drive (in your first slot) and open up disk management
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does your gpu have coil whine?
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Any chance on good 9900x/9950x deals this holiday season?
I want an excuse to buy one
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>>103189300
>69C
You measure by the heaviest graphic loads, not whatever bitch ass title a 3060 can comfortably run.
RT/PT sends the fan RPM near 2000 and the temps will climb up to 80°C.
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>>103189336
fify
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>>103188834
i actually have an r5 3600 and a 3070 but I need to upgrade because I can tell it's already falling behind and is probably just gonna be flat out bad within a year or two, so I wanna go ahead and upgrade now when it's a good time instead of later and dealing with scalpers
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>>103189335
no but the fans are the loudest thing. I've never heard the cpu cooler at full but the gpu at 50% sounds like a plane about to take off
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>>103188033
9800x3d currently available on amazon btw with January delivery listed, likely paper stock.
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>>103189357
That was with furmark
This is with cyberpunk with 4k and RT, see the maximums for yourself
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>>103189478
It's definitely not in stock if the delivery date is several months in the future.
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>>103189478
>managed to get both the 9800x3d and x870e nova
now all I need is the 5080 or 5090 and my stress of watching stocks all day will be gone
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>>103189256
>wait for 5080
>wait for 5070 so 5080 price drops
>wait for 5080 to drop further
>wait for 6080 announcement so 5080 drops more
>why are you getting a 5080, wait for a 6080
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>>103189480
>Furmark in late '24.
Learn to properly stress test your hardware, and post your effective clocks you bitch ass nigger.
Almost 75°C with an undervolt capping the boost clock @ 2835MHz.
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>>103189519
>bought a Taichi yesterday because I panicked after they all sold out and the Taichi came back in stock for like an hour
>Nova came back in stock today
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any good cases way under $50 in europe (poorland)? i'm just using an early y2k shitty black box
i like this but it's like $60 and i'd rather spend like $30, can be used but not sure where to look
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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145517

Is this a good mobo/deal? Comes with 32GB of DDR5. I'm on an older AM4 build but I want to go AM5 finally
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>>103189518
better that than paying over MSRP for the CPU, which AMD should've done already.
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>>103189566
yeah and no side panel shit, needs good airflow and little design
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>>103189535
>unironically paying for benchmarks
god you people are pathetic
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>>103189571
Keep this in mind.
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my 7800XT was CAD$598
a 7900XTX would cost approx CAD$1200
I would pay 2x the cost to get maybe +50% performance increases at higher resolutions
That doesnt seem worth it

my CPU+mobo+RAM was CAD$498. + $598 so total CAD$1096 for the core components
The total cost would increase to CAD$1700 if I got the 7900XTX, representinbg an increase in total cost of +54% for performance gains of around +50%, so the 7900XTX is in fact worth it

am I doing the mental gymnastics right?
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>>103189602
Put it in stupid terms. How many m2 nvme can I use with this board
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Alright rate my third worlder build. Will use it for casual 1080p gaming, not that interested in the latest games so it will probably be all I need for quite a while. It will come out to around $900.
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>>103189597
Because paid benchmarks are better at stressing the latest hardware, this test costs less than $5 during sales.
3DMark with Speed Way bundle costs less than $20.
Time is money as well, my time is better spent stress testing on Speed Way than running bitch ass Furmark.
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>>103189622
>third worlder build
I'm guessing you don't live near a Micro Center then.

Can you post the full build list, prices and all?
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>>103188070
> a 4090 with an exposed heatpipe shall melt her
You don't know that a 4090 gets only lukewarm?
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>>103189620
All of them, but as soon as you put in one in the Gen 5 M.2 slot's connected to the CPU it'll cause the PCIe slot for your GPU to run at x8 instead of x16 because the lanes aren't deprecated. Additionally, if you use the M.2 slot that shares bandwidth with the PCIe x4 slot, it'll disable it and vice-versa. If you don't care about any potential performance hits from x8 then whatever, but it's entirely up to you and real-world testing. Ultimately, you'll have one Gen 4 M.2 slot that won't fuck with the GPU slot but it'll turn off the PCIe x4 like I mentioned.
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>>103189655
>sets the 600 watt cable adapter on fire
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>>103189659
Is this an issue with all boards? I am carrying over my 3070 from my existing build
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>>103189631
why are you spending so much time benchmarking rather than playing?
i used furmark just to test a 12vhpwr cable, having something that does a constant 320w is good enough for me, any excursions outside of that I aint worried
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>>103188342
Impossibro unless you are ready to pay $500+ over MSRP.
There won't be any cards available at MSRP.
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>>103189554
i almost did the same thing with the Taichi lite but I held off
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>>103189310
The problem is that I *can't* boot into Windows but I think I understand the issue now, my motherboard supports NVMe SSDs but my laptop used a SATA SSD so I can't boot it. So now the question is how the fuck do I get the data now, my manual says it supports NVMe "as boot disks" so does that mean I can use it as storage but not for booting? I'm too retarded for this
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Is there a good 27 inch 4k OLED with no glaring issues yet?
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>>103189691
im strongly considering just getting an OLED TV and putting it in front of my bed as a monitor
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>>103189691
>no glaring issues
Define issues. Because people get autistic over stuff like burn in even when no one ever actually gets it when they set it up right.
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>>103189566
>>103189579
Just spend a bit more on a quality case to possibly never have to buy another one again. Although the best airflow cases with no "side panel shit" (I'm assuming you mean glass) are unfortunately $130+.
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>>103189672
Google "AM5 Motherboards Sheet", I'd post the link but 4chan thinks it is spam.

Slide the bar all the way over horizontally after clicking on the X870E tab and look for the word "Bifurcate". If you don't see that, then somewhere, something is gonna share bandwidth. Only like three or four boards bifurcated their lanes currently. NZXT apparently has a prosumer board coming out that also bifurcated their lanes. That said, there are some boards which, depending on if they are pulling from the chipset or the CPU... it doesn't really matter all that much. Just read carefully, and if you're confused, pull up the manual for the board and look for the layout/board diagram to show you how things are interconnected. It may seem confusing at first, but if you cross-reference it against that spreadsheet it becomes considerably easier to figure out what does what.
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>>103188342
> 4090s don't seem to always hold 60fps in 4k
It does. With DLSS on. And it even looks better.
But you shouldn't buy a 4090 at this point in time.

t. 4090 Herrenrasse
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>>103189695
I need a viewing distance of 2 feet or less because that is as far as I can see without my glasses on before it gets blurry so 27 is really the max I can go. I think even without that I wouldn't want to be sitting so far from my screen. Don't fall for the giant screen meme.
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>>103189728
Alright thanks. I only plan on using like 2 m2 slots so I don't know if I even need to worry that much about this but I'll look up the spreadsheet regardless
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>>103189731
>DLSS
lmao
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>>103189648
That's the whole thing, forgot to mention I already got a monitor and the SSD I will upgrade later.
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>>103189710
i mean like "setting it up right" not involving the computer gimping brightness randomly or something like that. It seems like with OLED you can either pick bright or durable but not both. If you go bright enough for HDR, then you get burn in so they put all these weird settings that are supposed to be able to predict where you won't be needing all that pesky brightness but of course it's ass like anything else trying to be too "smart".
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>>103189691
There's gotta be a reason why everyone moved up to 32" for 4K with OLED's. Sure, you can find IPS and TN panel 4K monitors in 27" but fuck me, the 27" OLEDs aren't numerous and aren't good. There must be some sorta weird fuckin' thing going on there.
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>>103188342
The 4090 is a 1440p GPU unless you only really play old or competitive games which are made to run best on the shittiest hardware, but even then you'd likely have a better experience on 1440p.

>>103189731
If you need to use DLSS Quality (upscaled from 1440p) to have playable framerates then you might as well just buy a 1440p monitor.

Also obviously don't buy a 4090 now unless it's deeply discounted by some second hand seller and in a good state.
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>>103189688
Depending on the motherboard, your m.2 slots might not support SATA at all. Since that seems to be the case, you probably have to get an adapter to actually access your laptop files.
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>>103189733
Since when does myopia have a hard cut-off for how far you can see well? A bigger screen would make everything on it bigger.
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>>103189597
>being poor
anon...
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>>103189747
Does anyone actually get burn in, or is this all fear mongering.
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>>103189733
>Don't fall for the giant screen meme.
i mean it'll basically be a console at that point so i dont see the problem

i guess unless the game is not optimized for that kind of view of course, i guess im fked if i want to play frostpunk2 or stellaris or something
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>>103189776
>not being poor means consuming indiscriminately
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>>103189746
In the US, so the prices might not be accurate to Costa Rica at all, but here's a build with some better speced parts for a lower price, at least in USD.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rNbQ74
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>>103189597
>paying
???
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>>103189757
>The 4090 is a 1440p GPU unless you only really play old or competitive games which are made to run best on the shittiest hardware, but even then you'd likely have a better experience on 1440p.
Ill be honest I mostly play indie slop and A/AA games which will barely use the power of a 4090. The only thing thats coming that I would love to see flawlessly with 140fps and 1440/4k would be MH Wilds and Elden Ring 2/Whatever slop From throw at me in two years.

So I think I'm pretty much sold on the 4090 just so I don't ever run a risk of performance issues on a 1440p.
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>>103189673
Some of us like to find the limits of our hardware, including the cooling system, and set an optimal daily setting.
That's part of the fun, Furmarking faggot.
Note that your Furmark run didn't even draw the maximum 350W limit.
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7700 vs 9700? If it's a small price difference do I just go for the newer one? Use is gaymen
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>>103189820
Intel? Go for the newer gen obviously, check that your mobo supports it though.
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>>103189800
Imagine making a big deal out of a 3DMark purchase, Speed Way has been included in every purchase since Steel Nomad was released.
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>>103189828
i am talking about the ryzen procs anon
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>>103189805
if the other anon actually did say he pirated, I would have much more respect
but nah he's an unironic tinker tranny who pays for benches
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>>103189788
NGL playing stellaris is going to be one of the key priorities for my next build.
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>>103189836
No one cares about earning your Furmarking faggot's respect.
Keep bitching about a $2.50 software.
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>>103189781
it happens but I still have no clue how common it is
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>>103189833
also go for the newer gen if AMD if the price difference is less than a hundred bucks.
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>>103189830
also people resell keys for like 5 bucks lmao
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>>103189857
Yeah it's like 30 bucks difference I think. I was thrown off by the OP still recommending the 7600 instead of the 9600
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AM5 seems to run hot, CPU-wise. Is it reasonable to try building a mini-ITX computer?
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>>103189841
>>103189788
>frostpunk2 or stellaris
I play spreadsheet simulators on desktop 42" C2 and the size has never been a problem, rather the opposite - allowing to see more UI simultaneously without scrolling.
Though stellaris requires "black galaxy background" mod to hide gamma flickering.
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>>103189841
>NGL playing stellaris is going to be one of the key priorities for my next build.
>CPU screams in agony
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>>103189841
im waiting for a humble bundle, i missed it last time many years ago, ive been pirating it but i really wanna just play on steam next time when i get the craving
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>>103189844
he seethes so much because someone ran furmark, yet he wants to be seen as the reasonable one
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>>103189717
>a little bit more
>5x my budget
is this general made up exclusively by rich /v/ kiddies because every single time that i ask something the answer i get is "no bro rx5700xt is no good you need to get rtx 4070 for 5 year old games in 1080p" "no dude you shouldnt get a $200 LCD just get a $30 dell ips and save up to buy $1,2k OLED" "no dude you can't just get a wd blue you need to buy a samsung ssd that's twice as expensive because it's faster even if you won't use that speed"
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>>103189818
Not furmark anon, but how high were your fan RPMs while running 3Dmark? I'm actually curious.
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>>103189893
9800X3d baby. I want to unlock giant maps with longer than 500 years end times with no late game lag. It may be stupid not to go with Intel though since they always have better single core clocks.
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>>103189904
I don't think that anon was saying to buy the $130+ cases, but he admittedly worded it poorly.
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>>103189916
>500 years
have you really finished a stellaris game to completion
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>>103189904
>WD Blue that is half as expensive as a Samsung SSD
Show me. I gotta see this. Regular disk drives have pretty much lost the price battle because they weigh so much and are still a pain to manufacture due to the delicate components. The only time they really win on price per gig is when you need a shitload of space. Like, yes, you are objectively correct that you can buy a 20 TB Enterprise drive for the same price as a 4 TB 990 Pro, but are you going to need a 20 TB Enterprise drive? Are you even going to need 4 TB?
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>>103189904
Without knowing your exact screen desires (resolution, frames, OLED or not) and your exact gaming habits its basically just crap shoots on random suggestions but if no one is calling you a retard then you're probably fine.
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>>103189904
Okay, nigger, how about you just kill yourself for being poor then?
Seriously though, nowhere in my post did I tell you to buy the $130+ cases. Even I didn't, because I'm probably even more poor than you. Just don't cheap out, that's all. Especially if you actually want good airflow and not just "whatever works".
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>>103189892
u know waht i'll just stick with a 1440p monitor and settle with a 7800xt for now
im building an am5 so it will be easy to upgrade again in 5 years (?) at the end of its lifetime anyways
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>>103188792
A 4080s(released this year) can barely play monster hunter milds lmao, future proofing doesn't exist anymore
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>>103189803
Yeah I wish our prices were anywhere near that man. My original build is pretty much the best I can get. As long as there's not anything glaringly stupid about it I think I'm gonna go for that one, appreciate it tho
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>>103189927
wd blue ssd you fucking imbecile HDDs aren't even close to being half as fast as nvme ssds
>>103189930
what does screen have to do with a computer case
>Without knowing your exact screen desires (resolution, frames, OLED or not)
and you made that assumption based on what you fucking cretin
>>103189934
>because I'm probably even more poor than you
yes because you dont know how to use money responsibly
>just spend a little bit more [...]the best cases for you usecase are $130
i assumed you are just that retarded and can't write cohesive sentences but if not then i dont even know what were you attempting to tell me with that post
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>>103189940
Wilds is a piece of shit that is not a fair comparison to any card. Its optimized like absolute garbage and you'll struggle no matter what you're running.
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>>103189906
It was probably running near 1500~1600 RPM, the cooler & metal housing, that test result was from May of this year.
The cooler can't even sustain 2900MHz boost at stock fan curves, setting aggressive fan speed isn't worth the added noise.
The maximum I got @ stock fan curve is 2880MHz due to thermal limits.
The GPU is capable of running 3GHz effective @ 1.075V if I water cool it.
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>>103188628
A better question would be, "what are the odds it's going to cost less than $2000." Because it's going to cost more than $2000 for sure.
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>>103189961
>says WD Blue
>doesn't mention SSD anywhere concerning the WD Blue (the WD Blue famously being a cheap HDD option for like 30 years)
>gets shitty over his own stupidity

Now I understand why you're poor.
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>>103189889
If you stick with the lower core count processors (8 cores and below), you will find that they run pretty cool. The more important factor thermally in an ITX build is probably the case, since it can decide how much cooling you are actually capable of.
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Is it worth getting a 9700x over a 9600x processor? I'm not really doing anything hard but I also usually go like 4+ years before an upgrade so I want to know if going for the next level up is a noticeable difference. I could save even more with a 7600 but it feels like a mistake to buy previous gen at this point no?
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>>103188272
They aren’t including the tax. It can be as low as 3.5% though. I believe some state have zero sales tax.
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>>103189989
look at the benchmarks between 7700x vs 9700x first, it's mixed sometimes it's worse and more often it's only like 2% better

you could save more just finding 7700x on clearance or on some bundle deal where the mobo is basically free
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>>103190000
All the microcenter bundles tend to include b650 boards. Don't you want a X670 or X870 board ideally?
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>>103189978
>Now I understand why you're poor.
because i'm a student from a poor family? it's my fault that you are a retard who can't read?
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>>103189897
Having base game on steam is almost mandatory for modding, steamcmd scripts are a fucking pain (rip steamworkshopdownloader)
But installed mods get linked to your game profile and show up in gog-games version too. Or just use one of those dlc unlockers.
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How do you orient the PSU on an Antec C8? Y went from a Td500 to that one, and my CPU temps went up to 70c Idle compared to 35 to 40 idle. I think that's the culprit, or I guess I have to go and buy a Frezer cooler 3 or something.
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>>103189961
>i dont even know what were you attempting to tell me with that post
That you're a fucking retard. Not really, but in retrospect I should have told you that right away.
>oh no I can't spend $60 on a case, best I can do is idk maybe 100 chinese yuan; it needs to have good airflow though!
I wouldn't tell you to buy an OLED due to inevitable burn in, or to buy larger/faster drives than you need. I have 3 fucking hard drives and a small SSD in my case, because that's all I need at the moment.
But a case can survive an indefinite number of builds, so spending just a bit more this once won't bankrupt you.
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>>103189940
probably won't play stalker 2 without frame generation and upscaling
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>>103190013
Yes.
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>>103190008
>Don't you want a X670 or X870 board ideally?
why? a decent B650 mobo wont bottleneck even a 7950X
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>>103190027
explain to me how is good airflow an unreasonable thing to expect from a metal box 2 mesh panels
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>>103190008
>Don't you want a X670 or X870 board ideally?
NTA, but don't AMD chipsets have much more parity between the "levels" of chipsets? Unless you want certain features, it would probably be a better choice to save the money by getting a b650 board.
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>>103190058
>>103190047
Hmm okay. Guess I should check and see if the "upgrade mobos" are worth the extra 50
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>>103190018
honestly ive been tempted to just outright buy it off steam, my sense of money is fked now that im older whats the point of batting an eye of 3-figs nowadays

only reason i dont is out of principle
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>>103190062
read this to avoid shitty B650 mobos tho, usually the bottom of the barrel cheapo ones you can tell just from pictures of the heatsinks

https://www.techspot.com/review/2861-amd-b650-motherboards-part-3/
https://www.techspot.com/review/2699-amd-b650-motherboards/
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>>103190075
>heatsinks
or lack thereof
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>>103189525
never buy the basic version of a new series
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Damn I kinda really wanted to get an OLED this Black Friday. Are they really that prone to failure with a predetermined burn in and replace?
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>>103190062
See if they are willing to let you swap for a b650e steel legend or riptide
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>>103190086
>Are they really that prone to failure with a predetermined burn in and replace?
No, people always overstate fears. OLED is a mountainous improvement over its competition and you're not going to have issues, or if you do it'll be after years of you jizzing with happiness at the better color profile.
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>>103190086
Pretty much all of them come with 3 years of burn-in warranty replacement. I know, it's not 5 or 7, but like, you're not gonna be out of pocket after 6 months due to burn-in or some shit.
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>>103188033
Does dram matter if I will be using my SSD as a boot drive and for storing games? I was about to buy a SN770 but I wasn't really sure since it's dramless.
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>>103190052
Do you want good airflow or just non-shit airflow? Honestly the main reason I even had to mention the premium cases is because most airflow-optimized cases under $100 nowadays come with a glass panel for some fucking reason.
But if you just want something that won't deprive your components of fresh air then pretty much any modern design that isn't pants on head retarded will do. I have nothing to recommend, but if all else fails just search "budget pc cases" on google and then look up reviews per model. Still, make sure you're not buying something you'll want to replace later.
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I also have this option available. It seems like it might be better than the 7700x somehow despite being a lower number?
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>>103190151
>But if you just want something that won't deprive your components of fresh air then pretty much any modern design that isn't pants on head retarded will do
pretty much what i was asking for, i dont know what else is there to a case, forced induction?
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>>103190159
Yeah X3D chips are generally better due to the 3D cache they implement, however I'd get the CPU by itself and an Asrock or MSI B650 to go along with it.

7600X3D is exclusive to burgers in microcenter though.
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>>103190159
Depends on what you're doing. If you're mainly gaming, go for the 7600X3D or even the 7800X3D, but if you're doing any production stuff on top of that it's probably better to get the non 3D 7700X.

>It seems like it might be better than the 7700X somehow despite being a lower number?

One thing to know about the computer hardware industry is that bigger number does not always equal bigger better.
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>>103190226
>7600X3D is exclusive to burgers in microcenter though.
Luckily I am a burger with a microcenter about 40 minutes away. Yeah both of those mobos they list seem to be kinda shit so maybe I just buy the proc and get a seperate mobo and ram. The cpu by itself is 299
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>>103190230
god damn the 7600x3d is pretty close to the 7800x3d. Way closer than I expected actually
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>>103190127

Slower drives like NVMe Gen 3 and SATA SSDs typically need DRAM to keep up with the demands of the OS. Faster drives like Gen 4 and 5 NVMe SSDs can keep up with these demands without DRAM. That SN770 should be fine, since it's PCIe Gen 4.
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>>103189889
if you think AM5 runs hot then wait until you see Intel
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After installing an overkill cooler I can hear ringing in my ears from how silent it is now. comf e
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>>103190223
Tests don't lie. Different fan support/placement, stock fans, internal design affecting airflow in ways not immediately apparent. Some are willing to give up 5.25" bays for full frontal intake, some aren't.
It makes enough of a difference to make "airflow cases" a thing.
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Is it normal to feel liquid only going through one of the tubes? is my AIO dead?
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Linux workstation from PB Tech in New Zealand:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lz83C8
I'm so glad I found a GPU with based DVI on it.
My choices are constantly changing because stock levels at PBtech are volatile, can't wait to find that the prices are the same once the sale starts.
Probably wanting to get a 4K monitor.
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>>103190276
Just check your temps. Even then, if liquid stopped flowing through one of the tubes than it should stop flowing through the other as well.
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>>103190318
It went from 40/45c to 65/70c idle After I moved to another case top mounted exhaust, something is very wrong
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>>103190223
phanteks enthoo pro is a pretty good case, can get it with regular panels, or a glass or acrylic panel. the 2 sets of 5.25 bays can be removed if needed. same for the psu shroud
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>>103190325
Yeah your shit's cooked most likely. Probably some sort of restriction in the loop.
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>>103190325
How old is the AIO?
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>>103190262
Alright, guess I'll get that one. Thanks anon.
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>>103190330
$110
also not a thing in europe
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>>103190337
around 3 or 4 years
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>>103190342
then put the parts in a cardboard box
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Nvm fixed all of my issues and found a solution myself.
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>>103190356
pm'd you the fix :)
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>>103190355
i would put it on an open bench if those didnt cost $200
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>>103190305
>3050 6GB variant

Bait used to be believable
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>>103190346
I guess I'll buy the Galahad 2 or the Freezer 3, I don't think unclogging an aio tube is an easy task
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>>103189710
>no one ever actually gets it when they set it up right
Set it up right as in don't use it for this and don't use it for that and don't have a wallpaper and don't leave a program open because the UI hurts it and don't make it too bright and don't run it for too many hours without turning it off and and and and
lol

If you plug that shit it in and simply use it as any other normal monitor to do your work and enjoy your entertainment you get burn-in within 6 months.
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>>103189770
Sorry to ask again but just to make sure would this work as an adapter? It's the only one I've found that explicitly states it supports M2 SATA
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Type-C-Tool-Free-Enclosure-EC-SNVE/dp/B08RVC6F9Y
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>>103190470
oh, I've got one of those. worked fine when I cloned my C drive to a samsung m.2
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Ok, is it worthy to get a 6750 XT over a 7600 XT if I find it for less money than the 7600XT

Is the jump from RDNA 2 to RDNA 3 that big
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>>103190542
yes the 6750XT is 14% faster than the 7600XT, the 7600XT was disappointing and only exists because Nvidia offered a 16gb 4060ti
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>>103188033
Is Aqua wearing pantsu?
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>>103190470
That should be fine. Just make sure the SATA drive you have has either a M+B or a M key type, since according to Sabrent's website it doesn't work with B key types. Just check your pins against this graphic.
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>>103189083
what specs?
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>>103189619
How much does 7900GRE cost also 7900xt?
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>>103190589
cad or usd
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>>103189622
Get a fucking sn770 atleast you mong. Also, why msi board? Do you not have b650m hdv?
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>>103190594
You posted the rest in cad, so cad. Don't get 7800xt anon, consider 7900GRE instead.
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>>103190608
>You posted the rest in cad,
I did? think (you) have the wrong anon
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Why the fuck do SATA SSD's still cost so much fucking money? I don't get it. It's a dead-end technology, just make it dirt cheap.
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>>103188342
>>103188486
My 4080S managed 90FPS in Space Marine 2 (most modern game I own, bundled with cpu) at 4k, everything turned on.
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>>103190396
>If you plug that shit it in and simply use it as any other normal monitor to do your work and enjoy your entertainment you get burn-in within 6 months.
No, you dont.
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>>103190530
>>103190567
Alright thanks
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>>103190621
that's why anon. they sell a lot less of them so they don't have to put them on sale like m2 drives now. those days have been over for like 2 years now
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>>103190693
It's still annoying as fuck. No, I don't want to pay fucking 2 grand for a 16 TB SATA SSD. Are you insane? Who are you even making that for?
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>>103190711
if you need mass storage like that the answer is still spinning rust. I still have a 12TB HDD in my PC for media
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>>103190717
I know, but I just feel like a SATA SSD option should be on the table at a somewhat reasonable price.
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Anyone use CableMod before? What's their reasoning before wanting to know what PSU you are going to use for their cables? Are they specifically using cables from those exact models of PSU's that they have on hand and then resleeving them? Just seems like a weird thing for them to make a big deal out of when they could just use not shit cables.
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>>103190737
cables are model specific and will destroy other components if you dont get the correct one for your psu
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Yo, is the Gigabyte X870E AORUS PRO any good?
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>>103190749
That seems impossible given that cables aren't merely form factors but also underwritten by specifications in terms of draw power and so forth. You could swap out a hundred different PSU's with a 24-pin on the exact same motherboard and they'd all let the thing post because the god damn draw is the same. I get that some cables are shit quality, that's a no brainer, but to assert that you couldn't just use good cables because... it'd blow up your build sounds like nonsense.
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>>103190792
No one here owns one. Pretty much they're all the same at that price point, but avoid MSI. If you're looking for specifics search for the AM5 spreadsheet on Google. It doesn't contain reviews, just technical information that you can compare and contrast against the other X870E boards including how their lanes are shared (if they are).
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>>103190801
cables are standardized at the motherboard/gpu side but not at the psu side.
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>>103190812
>Pretty much they're all the same at that price point, but avoid MSI
Yea, I'm returning my X870 Tomahawk. My USB controllers wont stop fucking restarting. I've done enough trouble shooting. These pieces of crap don't work and I'm certain it's the mobos fault.
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>>103190792
i wouldnt get one since I dislike how they've setup their pcie lanes and that they cut cost by using an inferior 6 layer pcb, something you'd only expect to find on the worst b650 boards
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>>103190801
The pinouts on psu side are all different, even within one series of one brand.
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>>103190831
What do you recommend? <$400 budget
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>>103190812
Is the MSI X870 Mag Tomahawk really that bad? People online say it's a very good Mobo and it's what I have in my cart, my alternative was the Asrock Riptide Wifi X870 which is on sale atm but I'm still wondering.
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>>103190367
DIY it out of your existing case or any cheap one.
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>>103190853
Don't know shit about that, but he's talking about the X870E. I'd avoid MSI because you could do better with Gigabyte and even better with ASRock.
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>>103190843
That's fucking insane. Why did no one hold their feet to the fire and standardize this shit across the board?
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>>103190844
x870e nova is the best all rounder but its sold out everywhere so probably the b650e taichi as its going for pretty cheap currently
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>>103188033
aqua a shit
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>want a bluetooth microphone with a magnet
>Antlion is still the only company that makes one after like 8 years
>they're dogshit build quality that fail within 6 months and cost a fortune for what probably was two dollars in parts and assembly

Why has no one copied these retards yet? I don't get it. Why can't I buy a Rode version of this same idea so it doesn't suck 80,000 cocks?
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>>103189995
Oregon comes to mind
>>103188272
Sales tax is specific to each state, and consumers dont see the additional amount until at check out, where i assume your billing address is shown. In general, expect somewhere along a 10% markup.
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>>103190870
Because some/many of the PSU manufacturers would have to take the hit of adopting new standardized power connectors.
There's a human element involved (emotions & pride). If you're Seasonic, Super Flower, or FSP, you're not retooling shit.
>But 12VHPWR!
That was good for PSU manufacturers, it boosted PSU sales because plenty of people were fearmongered into getting ATX 3.X units with native 12VHPWR cables.
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Just upgraded from a Meshify S2 and bought a Meshify 2 XL. I am not looking forward to transferring everything. Will post pics on the 18th.
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>>103190086
Not really, but if you are still worried, don't get an oled from a company that doesn't provide explicit burn-in warranty. I know samsung does not.
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I'm trying to upgrade my 1050Ti to something new, but I'm not looking for the best of the best. This guy has been with me for a while and I feel like it's probably best to look for something to take it's place eventually instead of waiting for it to die on it's own. My CPU is a 5600x Ryzen and I have a 750w gold PSU I think, any recommendations? I'm not really familiar with GPU shit and the wattage always concerns me when trying to consider stuff like this. Are new GPUs using more wattage or are they the same or what exactly? I don't really want to rebuild for liquid coolant or whatever.
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>>103190944
make your own with 3d printer and arduino
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Is an AIO overkill for the 9800x3d?
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>>103191100
not if you wanna overclock it a little, temps are also more stable but air should be enough for most usecases.
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>>103191070
4070 super and under
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>>103191100
It can get really hot and more cooler isn't a waste. That said, aios aren't good at cooling this CPU since it's hotspots are off-centre. You'll probably do better with an air cooler unless you have TG's am5 offset mounting kit to offset your aio
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>>103191100
Not if you want rounded 1% gains for 50 more watts.
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>>103191070
they are generally using more wattage. I thought as tech advanced they'd consumes less but no. Recommendations it depends on your money? The lowest I'd go is 200 for an RX 6600 or a used RTX 3060 or RTX 2060 Super
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>>103190621
modern tech and money supply don't go hand in hand, it means that old shit often gets more expensive as time goes by which is counter intuitive
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>>103191119
Your anus ever gets jealous of your mouth with all the shit that comes out of it?
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>>103191070
>Are new GPUs using more wattage
Yes but performance efficiency is also getting better with every generation.
I would not risk getting 4080 or higher with a 750W PSU
At lower end RT gets impractically slow even with all the nvidia trickery, so if you don't need AI you'd be better off with 6800 or 7900GRE depending on budget.
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>>103191129
ew what a disgusting anally focused homosexual
https://youtu.be/BcYixjMMHFk?t=1390
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>>103191124
they only consume less when they chose TSMC fabs when they go samsung new generation consumes way more and it also melts
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>>103190853
No, but it's not that good either. It's not worth 300 bucks. And it's dreaded MSI.
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I was planning to get a 7900XTX, but I am poor and didn't manage to save enough money.

Would a 7800XT handle everything max 1080p/ mid 1440p?
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>>103191170
What's a good Mobo in the <$300 price range then? It does have a ton of stuff I wanna use eventually and the alternative I'm looking at is the B650E steel legend or pg riptide. Idk if the riptide wifi X870 is a good alternative either.
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>>103190844
ASrock's Nova. If you can wait for it to become available again you should. It puts all other boards to shame.
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So Nvidia is just a scummy company that lucked itself twice into being the first with novel and good tech, both AI focused in a way, cuda cores and DLSS.
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>>103191198
B650e taichi is going for $270 right now
Also b650 steel legend is better than the b650e variant
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>tfw every day check to see if theres new news on the 50 series
i know there wont be, but i cant help it
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>>103191198
> What's a good Mobo in the <$300 price range then?
Honestly: there is no good one in that price range. But the best one is only 50 bucks more: ASrock Nova. You either wait for it or get some overpriced crap.
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Are 13th/14th gen Intel cpus safe now that the instability has been patched through bios updates? I'm on lga1700 and I want to upgrade but I don't want to buy a new motherboard
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>>103191240
>Nova
Overpriced garbage with features 99% of people will never use
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>>103191275
yeah its safe. but raptorlake is kind of a hard sell since its far less efficient than 12th gen. its not an exaggeration to say that the 13900k and 14900k uses 150W in light loads and 200W if even 30-40% of the cpu is used.
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>>103191275
If you NEED intel for the productivity gains, I'd unironically get their newest processors due to the efficiency alone, having to buy a new mobo is shitty though.
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>>103191275
yes, goy. just buy our overpriced and inefficient product that might explode when plugging in.
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>>103191288
It's got by far the most value of all X870(E) boards. If it was overpriced then all other boards were ridiculous.
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>>103190801
The connectors on the PSU itself are not standardized AT ALL, they can wire their connectors in whatever fucking way they please on one side and still have a standard connector on the other.
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>>103191215
NVIDIA wasn't as complacent as Intel with regards to investing in future growth markets, and AMD/Radeon were too busy saving themselves.
Jensen was all-in AI during the early/mid-2010s, and NVIDIA's directors tried to stop him from spending so much into the business.
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>>103189717
Asus AP201 is about $85 with no gay glass.
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>1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D
Are these really the best? Which is better out of them?
The former is on newegg for $142 right now. The latter is pretty much $200. Is it $58 better? What else is there? up to $200
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>>103188033
Buying computer parts is a form of gambling.
You're addicted to the computer part industry because you have a gambling addiction.
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>>103191488
I gambled in crypto and that's the only reason I'm able to afford a high end PC and live with commodities my usual job doesn't give me.

Keep gambling.
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Is there any real difference between the B650 Steel Legend and the X870 Steel Legend? The main difference I'm seeing is the WiFi generation, a couple ports that get routed to the CPU instead of the chipset, and that's really about it.
The 9800X3D is making me look at upgrading from my AM4 machine, and it seems like AMD has almost re-branded their mobos. It looks like the chipsets are identical, and after a BIOS update, I can run the 9800X3D with no problem in either of them, which kinda makes me wonder why the X870 version even exists. Just want to make sure there's nothing actually important that I'm missing like a retard who hasn't built a new PC in its entirety since the Ryzen 2000 series. Pic exclusively for attention
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>>103190368
It's a workstation, not a gaming machine. It's half the price if a 4060. I might occasionally play 8 year old minecraft modpacks, and for that it's better than a GPU from 5 years ago.
I just wanted an RTX card because I hear they're the only ones getting their drivers open sourced, and this is for a linux machine. I'm not spending more on my GPU than my CPU.
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I did it /g/, I got my first liquid cooler
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>>103191534
>the two differences are that the X870 board guarantees a PCI-e 5.0 connection to the primary PCI-e slot and USB 4.0.
>An Extreme E-variant of a B650 board will have the PCI-e 5.0 connection, so the only advantage compared to a B650E board is the standard inclusion of USB 4.0.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-x870e-vs-x870-vs-x670e-vs-x670-vs-b650e-vs-b650/#X870_vs_B650

PCIe 5.0 slot for the primary slot (x16) might matter if you plan to own a 5090 or 6090 in the future, it's all speculation for now.
4090 doesn't fully saturate the 4.0 x16 slot.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html
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Why are external hard drives still so fucking expensive?
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>>103191680
They probably don't make as many anymore. It's all about economies of scale. Double check that, I'm just reasoning from first principles and didn't check the figures.
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>>103191665
Awesome, cheers.
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>>103191488
nah I dont buy 10 of the same cpu to find a golden sample so theres no gambling
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>>103191725
I remember getting a 1tb toshiba one 5 years ago for around 40 bucks and now I can't even find one with those specs at that price.
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>>103188033
Do these PCIe to NVME adapters have any caveats? It's a 1x slot.
My newer motherboard + older Ryzen seem to have issues with bifurcation and my Asus Hyper M2 card isn't working. My backup plan is to use two of these instead.
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>>103191617
Grats, setting the pump to a constant speed (50~60%) will improve longevity compared to a variable pump speed.
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>>103191680
>external
never mind the external-ness of it. a 3.5'' HDD is a 3.5'' HDD. whether it comes in some shitty plastic enclosure and you extract it, or you buy it as is and add an enclosure yourself, is irrelevant.

> so fucking expensive?
they aren't.
for me, in yuroland, prices are
> 14€ per TB for 3.5'' HDD
> 26€ per TB for 2.5'' HDD
> 46€ per TB for 2.5'' SSD (sata)
> 48€ per TB for NVME SSD
these are all the cheapest $/TB example i could find searching in my local eshop aggregator, in practice you'd probably pay a bit more to get better quality/speeds/cell type for the SSDs.
in any case, the relative pricing is obvious. 3.5'' HDD is by far the cheapest option here, nearly 2x as cheap as the next best which is 2.5'' HDD, and 3x cheaper than SSDs.

in the real world, right now you can spend 200-250 $/€ and get 16TB or so, which should suffice for a VERY large movie/tvshow/animu/pr0n collection. i mean, sure, you can easily fill it up if you're going for remuxes all the time, but for a normal(er) person who's happy with the far more common 5-10gb movie rips, 16tb is really quite a lot.
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>>103191804
Can this be done in BIOS?
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>>103191747
You're gambling that the computer parts will work and the chinese guy at the store will care if it doesnt work
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>>103191828
yes its controlled through the bios
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>>103191842
Cool. Going to stress test my pc after work today and compare the temps tomorrow.
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>>103190342
I feel so fucking pissed for not picking up one of these Enthoo Pro's for $50 used when one popped up here.
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>>103191800
They're generally a lower gen PCIe, so slower, and using less lanes so even slower.
Both are almost a positive for M.2.
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Is $45 for a set of five P14's too expensive for what it is?
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>>103191811
Damn I never even considered doing that but it's a really good idea and way cheaper than any external hard drive, definetely getting a fat hdd + enclosure. Thanks anon.
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>>103191981
>>103191981
>>103191981
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>>103188674
>10%
the 5090 has 33% more cores alone not counting architectural improvements
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>>103191190
It should run everything natively 1440p at max settings without raytracing, except maybe the monkey game and what was that latest unoptimized slop called. With framegen enabled it's going to handle everything with moderate RT. For 1080p I wouldn't even worry.
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paid 250usd shipped for this did i do good? Wunna try and run a 5090 off it
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>>103190576
as in whats going in it? 9800x3d 5090 (eventually) 96gb ddr5 6400
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>>103192402
Can you stream your first run?
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>>103191190
Consider the 7900gre.
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>>103192402
You are too stupid. You can spend monies on 5090 but not on a psu? WTF? I would've gone either corsair or super flower.
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>>103192407
I thought it was the full pc for 200 bux.
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>>103192402
Evelything will be fire.
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>>103192402
You could have literally bought a 1600W Super Flower for 299 like three days ago. It might still be available even.
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>>103188679
for me it's 2x48gb 6000c30
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>>103189691
>27 inch 4k OLED
those don't exist and are probably dropping in new monitors next year at best look at tftcentrals oled roadmaps

>>103191471
first rule of pcbg, don't read the op
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>>103193539
I can return it if it's shit most 1600w psus here cost double that
https://www.bpctech.com.au/product/220-pp-1600-x4-evga-supernova-1600-p-80-platinum-1600w-fully-modular-10-year-warranty-includes-power-on-self-tester-power-supply.html

Hmm might grab this and use the chink one in the Intel arc rig I use for htpc and use my old 16yo 1200w for car amps in my home theater
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>BF deals just dropped on multiple other retailers
>all the 4k 240hz 32" oled monitors on sale
>literally all ones to choose from even the other ones
>cheapest they have ever been
>if I don't buy now in front of the release of all new GPUs and build a pc later I won't get good pricing until next winter
>poor and full of anxiety and stress
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>>103194036
Stop sweating



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