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is this ok?

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Looked at monitors some more. Should I get this?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C4Z8RFY9/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1

>>103210825
I'd go with an uncurved monitor and put the savings towards a bigger NVME

Should I change my i7 12700F for a 9800X3D? The only thing I see my CPU working at 100% is on fucking COD, but I have the feeling that's going to happen with any CPU.

Why does every case come with a vertical GPU mounting option nowadays? Nobody does that.

>>103210894
>every case
>nobody

>>103210893
not unless you already own DDR5

>>103210899
Alright then, you pedantic fuck. Most cases and almost nobody. Still a pointless feature.

>>103210893
Bo6 maxes my 4070but only uses like 15% tops of my 7950x3d.

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>>103210812
>https://x.com/ItsJustVV/status/1857745922295226816
after his recent try at faking factorio results, bugchasers was caught cheating again this time in Kingdom Come Deliverance

>>103210905
nah, if I do it's going to have to be a MOBO, RAM and CPU update.

>>103210812
sex

>>103210923
she's only 11, kike

>>103210825
Get DDR5-6000 CL30 for lower latency. It's not that much more $.
"Mini" "Micro" "Nano" etc is never a good idea for obvious reasons but if you think you really need it "cute" I will just let you suffer the consequences.
Consider a larger NVMe SSD unless you intend to dedicate the 1TB to OS and User Profile only and get another SSD for games, work and storage. 1TB is not much cheaper than 2TB. Other than 2TB vs 4TB.
Have you ever used a curved display IRL?

>>103210593
where's the anime figure

>>103210935
You never know with Asians.

i have been looking for reviews at Asus Tuf B650M-Plus but the mobo in my discount bundle was actually B650M-E Wifi
i have been tricked
good thing it doesnt matter, temp is only 1c hotter and VRMs dont bottleneck
but holy shit were mobo naming schemes always these full of bullshit

or i guess before i just bought the cheapest mobo until i learned they can actually bottleneck CPUs

>>103210894
It's easy and low cost for the manufacturers to produce.

>>103210915
It's becoming obvious that he shills Intel over the top for whatever $reason$.

>>103210825
bad motherboard

>>103210893
If you have $500+ surplus income every month, and are already maxing out your 401K, then sure.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nz7zyW

Any recommendations on how to upgrade my build with a 9800x3d? Ideally shoo1440p144hz/4k60hz. Ignore storage
Will probably be upgrading from the 3070 some time after 50 series comes out

>>103210812
anyone here bought the intel 265k or 285k?

>>103211135
>anyone here buy a box full of trash

is a 5700x3d a smart upgrade if i'm already on AM4 or should I bite the bullet and go to am5? I upgrade cpu every 3-4 years usually, currently on a 3600 and want something stronger. The prices on ali are making it hard to resist

>>103210993
He has said publicly he wants to pay off his mortgage by the end of the year
And we know his consults and intel bundles earn him a lot of cash

Expecting neutral content from his is madness

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>>103211135
Its a high latency PoS. You'd have to pay me to use one of those desu
If you insist on intel, just get a 14900k

>>103209562
>those 5080 cuda cores
>literally just a 4080 super
lmaooo

>>103211117
i swear you niggas google "cheapest cpu cooler" and then post this same shit every time

>>103211186
I was under the impression Thermalright was top of the line for air cooling?

>>103209562
5090 512bit gddr7 32gb vram
5080 256bit gddr7 16gb vram
5070 192bit gddr6x 12gb vram
5060 128bit gddr6 8gb vram

>>103211160
yes, its basically the fourth fastest in some games and like the twelth in others, its a perfectly cromulent upgrade if you want to skip AM5.

>>103211208
they are, however get the phantom spirit dual tower cooler.
the single tower would be fine with the 9800X3D but its a $500 cpu so spend the extra $16.

>>103211236
>its a perfectly cromulent upgrade if you want to skip AM5.
But is this smart? Also I only have 16GB of DDR4 RAM and sinking even more money into AM4 to upgrade that seems like a mistake since it's end of line for the platform. And yes, 16GB has been becoming an issue for some things I do so the 32 being standard with DDR5 is appealing now that prices have come down

>>103210812
What can I do with a i7-4770 non-K based system these days?

>>103211236
Oops, mixed their models up. Thanks

>>103211208
20 dollars is not top of the line in anything pc related

>nvidia driver randomly shits itself and I lose 40 fps and have to reinstall
is this common or?

>>103210915
Doofus is a fraud scamming people for $500 for tech advise what a greedy jew

>>103211251
Mixed up which one I clicked on, I blame their naming scheme

>>103210915
jufes lost
his orbiters walk back to their hugbox in shame
sad!

>>103210859
I will probably buy another ssd later

>>103210947
I will see if I can get lower latency RAM
you mean the motherboard? never had any issues with microATX and I like the smaller cases
This will be my third curved monitor, I like them but I know they can be controversial...
I'm keeping the price low, things are too expensive here. But I plan on eventually getting another ssd.
Thanks for your reply

>>103211008
why?

>>103210812
I’m going make kokkoro play with my BBC (Big Black Card) (BlackedWell) (RTX 5090)

>>103211242
well the 5700X3D = 9600X/7700X
even if you go stupid cheap on the motherboard and ram for AM5 its still $250 over the price of a 5700X3D or $200 over a 5700X3D + a 32gb of 3600 CL18
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GyHwPJ
so the question is, do you want to spend $200 and hold on AM4 or $400+ on AM5 for the same performance, bearing in mind that AM6 will probably be 2028.
unless you think there might be something wrong with your motherboard I would stay AM4 but that is the option.
of course you can get a better motherboard/ slightly worse cpu on AM5 for about $330 btw if you get a 7500F off Aliexpress. its the 7600 but with an IOD that has the igpu disabled.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gQMRBq

>>103211244
give it to a niece or nephew

What am I missing out on by buying the cheapest 32GB CL18 3600mhz DDR4 ram from T-Force instead of more expensive sticks with the same specs on paper? I realize the actual modules that the ram uses may not be the same... CPU is 5800x3d.

>>103211429
>unless you think there might be something wrong with your motherboard I would stay AM4
It's kind of shit vrm wise and only has a single m2 slot which when populated shuts off half the sata ports. I am leaning towards just biting the bullet and going AM5 for the faster memory and newer platform for future upgrades. I could definitely go 7500F but that only shaves a tiny bit off a 7600 and having an igpu can have its uses. An extra 250 isnt going to break the bank

>>103211446
nothing

>>103211211
>>103211184
how much will the 5090 even cost? i reckon 2500 ezpz

>>103211265
its a friendly reminder to upgrade your gpu soon

>>103211487
wait but I just bought it

>>103210812
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEuoVNcaKRI
>Revisiting Intel's "best" CPUs - Alder Lake, the 12th Gen, in 2024:
>When Intel Was Good: i9-12900K
kek

>>103211464
MSRP ~$2000

>>103211265
no, but it happens, only when its AMD its apparently a big deal. do a DDU and install the latest.

>>103211453
that's fair, the B650M HDV/M.2 will handle all of AM5 and going with the 7600 is a good pick, I personally don't really feel the need for a igpu but I don't blame people who do want one.
the silicon power ram is okay because all ram uses the same chips but, I would jump up to team group as a minimum if I'm honest just because of warranty.

>>103211526
stop! stop! they're already dead

kokkoro...

>>103211533
>stop! stop! they're already dead
we're not done until intel gets demolecularized

>>103211531
gufff

>>103210812
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
GET PREGNANT
GET PREGNANT
GET PREGNANT

>>103211533
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-32gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820985077 is this good RAM then? I always thought team group was ultra budget but maybe I was wrong

>>103211265
yes, Nvidia drivers are shit. Whenever you install new hardware always clean system with DDU.

bros... 3070 or 6700xt help a poor fag choose i only play on 1080p

>>103211794
3070 is superior

>>103211794
3070 will allow you to play 1440 on a lot of things too, which i do recommend wholeheartedly if you can get a deal on a 1440p monitor down the road. there have been a lot of good deals on them this week but I don't know if you are US or not

>>103211794
if only 3070 had 12gb of vram kinda shitty desu

>>103211723
yep, its good.

>>103211794
3060 ti

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Hello pcbg, I would like to build my first PC. I will also need a monitor but the rest of the peripherals I already have.

My budget for both the monitor and PC is $4-5K USD. I live in the USA.

Should I plan the build out and start ordering parts during this Black Friday sale coming up or wait until after Christmas maybe in January when the new nvidia series is supposed to release?

Which do you think it the better option to get the best deal?

I'm tempted to splurge on a case that's going to last me multiple builds and I'm especially drawn to the Fractal Torrent and Lancool III from what I've looked at so far. It seems like I wouldn't have any reason to complain about airflow with either so it's coming down to other considerations.
I like how the Torrent can actually come with solid panels rather than everything being glass since I don't care about faggy RGB, and I like its overall shape and silhouette. A lot of the smaller design choices around the Lancool III give it a premium feel like those hinged panels. What do you guys think? Is there anything else I should consider alongside them?

>>103211924
I'm going to buy now, personally. With a budget like that you don't really need to worry about Black Friday deals, and with tariff shit there's probably going to be a run on parts around then so you may as well get what you want while you can.

how many fans can I realistically put connected to each other using only a single motherboard port?

>>103211945
Fair enough, thanks anon.

>>103211933
I got torrent compact with tinted glass, it's nice. Fractal makes solid cases. I fucked up though, my GPU doesn't fit without removing lower fan. So don't take Compact if you got chunky GPU.
Temp wise it's slightly better than my old R5, but I run all fans at ~600RPM and it's somehow quieter.
Easy to buld in too, and the fan hub is nice. No clue about Lancool, but from what I remember it's not that good at lower RPM.

>>103211954
depends on RPM, calculate it, all fan voltage data is available
I'd use a hub with separate sata power connection though.

>>103211924
CPU suit and peripherals get now, everything top tier is out and next gen is in 2 years.
But wait for next gen GPUs, the best time to buy is first month after next gen comes out to squirm out every bit of max performance in most amount of time.

>>103211968
so if the port is 1A and each fan is 0.3A only 3 then, thanks

Why do I want to build a new PC on lga1700 platform with 12600/12700k instead of extremely popular Ryzen X3D? Does anyone know?

Is it reasonable to upgrade from a 5600x to a 5700x3d?

>>103212046
because a nice man from delhi told you it was the best option

>>103212046
been there done that 2yrs ago you should build something more obscure
>>103212050
yes absolutely might as well get some nice ram too cl14 3600 64gb

>>103211794
3070 if you upgrade often
6700xt if not

>>103212046
you do not want X3D, you want 9700x or if it's significantly cheaper 7700x

>>103212061
>you do not want X3D,
t. intcel

>>103211794
this>>103212060

>>103211794
new? 6800
used? 68xt-695xtxh

>>103212050
Yes especially now that it's still extra cheap on ali.
Some anon postet getting it for $140 yesterday.

>>103212069
no. here is my logic: X3D is worth it only for high fps targets, which are not achievable in anything but e sports and 9700x can do that anyway.
for gaming you want moar cores and high IPC, for quicker loading, to brute force shit optimizations, quicker shader caching, less pop in etc.
it is also better for all rounder application because of slightly higher clocks.
X3D and 9700x have same IPC and multicore basics.
I wouldn't touch current intel because of e-cores, but I guess if you want to tweak something all the time it's the way to go. How the times have changed.

>>103212111
WRONG

>>103212046
when you feel like spending 2.5x on a grossly overpriced processor

>>103212123
i got a z690 and 13600k cheap but their showing their age in cpu bound games

>>103212111
wrong

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>>103210812
Is there a 1000W+ PSU where you can regulate the rpm? I'm sick of hearing a fan spool up and down the entire time.

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>>103212111
LOL
LMAO

>>103212149
wow my 13600k is almost at the bottom
getting a 9800x3d next week

>>103212149
>baldurs gate
30 fps is fine in a dating sim

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>>103210812
I have scored two 9800X3D's, one for me via Newegg 15m before launch, and one for my friend via Best Buy online this evening, but it was at a store 20m away, so I figure best buy now has in-store stock. No excuse anons! FYI if you are near orange California you have a shot at one. No one else in the friend group needs one now.

>>103212111
x3d "fixes" zen 5's io bottleneck so yes you do want x3d

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>>103212156
dont do it. your getting scammed

>>103212050
imo no, if you're on Zen3 you should be looking at getting on AM5 if you want to upgrade.

>>103212178
AMD really needs to do a Zen5 refresh next year.

>>103212144
Corsair has some fan tuning functionality on their higher end models but that does mean installing iCue bloat. Maybe better to go overkill, wattage-wise, on a hybrid unit so that the fan basically never spins.

>>103210915
never played that game but are those npcs always at static locations at certain times or something?

>>103212240
its the very start of the game. npc roams on a set path, autist timed how long it takes for her to get there

Has anyone’s 12700k been bent by the clamping mechanism of the Z690 boards? I am afraid that I will have to replace my CPU cooler one day and inevitably notice an slight curvature on the CPU’s surface. Though mine has been working fine for the last 3 years.

>>103212254
>going through unthinkable hoops to expose the lies
thats why the kikes fear the autists

>>103212254
i see. never trusted that guy anyways.

>>103212269
>unthinkable hoops
>setting a stopwatch

Is the NM790 really okay as an OS drive? It's DRAMless

>>103212273
The last time I've memorized an npc's loop(5 second guard patrol back and forths don't count), I was maybe 8 and back in the days of replaying the same singleplayer game endlessly because what else are you going to do?

>>103212279
Yes it's a great drive, one of the best.
nvme drives use system ram as cache

>>103212279
i have a 2tb as my os drive and its only early days (~7 months) but its been flawless and as fast as the reviews tout

>>103210812
When do the deals actually start?
I'm getting impatient

>>103212294
>>103212307
Well shit, I guess times have changed. I'm finally moving to nvme for os drive

>>103212279
Shit it costs more the same as the 2TB 990 pro I bought a year ago. Why did storage prices jump?

>>103212318
Sn850x 2TB is the same price, I think maybe this lexar drive is inflated due to hype

'''
I need some fucking discounts, but prices keep rising
'''

>>103212361
Next week anon, you're too early

>>103212312
>>103212361
>>103212390
>he thinks there will be deals and not just raising the price and putting the 'deal' to just over the old price

>waiting for sale with parts list ready
>sale starts
>deliberate for several hours/days whether you could save another $3 if you wait for the next sale
>sale ends. nothing purchased
>resume waiting

>>103212438
Literally me
I already missed a massive sale and now I'm waiting due to hope and cope

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Hey everyone, anon who messed up their build a few days ago.

I swapped the MSI for a Gigabyte due to a ton of issues with the former. I also got a new case that has much more clearance for the 420mm rad.

Ready for the 5090.

>>103212482
That's a 420mm radiator? The lancool iii I have is really cramped in comparison. I'm envious.

Dumb question about OLED
Can I use BFI (through software, not supported by the monitor) on OLED without damaging it?
I heard that OLEDs are good for it but I'm not exactly sure.

>>103212599
How much of a meme is this? I'd rather not get a liquid cooler if I don't have to

>>103212620
BFI via software is pointless, makes the motion feel choppy as it has to literally refresh one black frame it's not like strobing where every single frame is refreshed but during a % of it the backlight is off creating the same effect but without damaging the motion

>>103212643
They say that about every CPU that doesn't include a cooler. 120W TDP I know is fine to air cool, the 170W TDP ones I would still try it and see, if it hits 90-95C during your usual workloads then water cool it. If it only does during benchmarks, don't bother, it'll throttle itself at the worst of times.

>>103212669
?
It's much smoother on RetroArch and MAME than not using it. I can use it on a 360hz OLED and that shit has practically no motion blur.
Problem is if there's enough CPU usage it doesn't work all that well, and obviously you get much lower brightness.

>>103212691
>?
black frame insertion
>insertion
>frame

>>103212620
OLED doesn't need BFI it's already sample and hold technology.

>>103212699
I'm just saying it doesn't feel choppy to me, in fact it's the opposite

>>103212715
It's a very high refresh rate if you game at 360hz so you might indeed not feel it too much but my point is that in those 360 frames many original game frames are GONE, they do not exist anymore, their part in the feeling of motion is gone also on OLED I don't think it works too well since BFI reduces your perceived or measured brightness and I don't think you have the headroom on OLED.

It would feel very bad for movies or video games at 60-120hz range.

>>103212712
BFI is a method in software or hardware to reduce the sample and hold blur :P you're confused or uneducated on this topic

>>103212178
>"bottleneck"
again, it's useless if you play at 60-120fps for 98% of games. but important parts still intact without X3D.

>>103212149
they are doing some retarded shit again, how did I run this game 144fps 1440p on 7900XT and 7700x? that's why I never trust them and techpowerup, it never lines up with my experience.

>>103212724
Also for your original answer, would it hurt IT? You bet, your individual organic leds have to push twice or more the brightness than they would without BFI at all times pretty much.

>>103212712
sample and hold is unnatural and causes image retention

>>103212728
it's irrelevant at 240hz+

>>103212736
you can't make it any other way with individual pixels, CRT worked same way.

>>103212745
>what about x y z
anyway you were wrong before, you realize?
Also last time I'm entertaining your random drivels:
You cannot play 90% of video games at 240hz and it's not irrelevant, otherwise pro gamers wouldn't use BFI to cope with the blurriness at 240hz even if they have the pixel response time to alleviate it a lot, maybe 500hz we're speaking of pretty similar territory

>>103212763
>otherwise pro gamers wouldn't use BFI to cope with the blurriness at 240hz
pro gamers are using TN monitors, BFI works on LCD.

he instantly replied lmao
dumb troll

>>103212730
they set games up to be repeatable and they average the results, you might have gotten a best of 144fps but not an average.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAjQXdwkgEE

>>103212797
let's go about it this way, for the duration of 100h game I can run it at 144fps for 87h of it and at 90fps for 5-7h, the rest of the times is spent in menus. Is this testing method relevant to real life expectations for the people making purchase decisions?
I'd rather people spent less on hardware for the same experience.

>>103212482
Tweaked the 9800x3d yet? Cant wait to have fun with mine

>>103210915
This dude gets more pathetic every video.

> Lian Li Lancool 216/III

Are these still good? I'm looking for an easy to build in PC Case (first time builder), that supports E-ATX and has great airflow, under 150 dollars

>>103212829
if they're all tested the same way then yes it is relevant as they're all given the same chance to perform in a mixture of areas.

>>103210915
Is he lying about the windows lag too? He says that the 3d chips are horrible at everyday tasks, that you have to wait seconds to open a program on Windows and even browsing a web is a bad experience.

>>103212855
Yeah sure. Cases move much slower than other components. They do lack a dust filter but it's sold as an optional addon which I would recommend picking up in either case.

>>103212881
>is the guy caught lying compulsively also lying about the lag nobody else has ever reported on

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>>103212881
>Is he lying about the windows lag too
>and even browsing a web is a bad experience
of course he is
well, maybe not on his machines, because he does weird shit that makes them unstable, but on a normal person computer ryzen is just as fast and responsive as intel

I regret waiting for Black Friday. There probably won't be any good deals but then again, I'd probably regret not waiting for that 1% chance of saving some money.

>>103212881
I've only heard about "windows lag" with those faggy E-core cpus that have scheduler issues

>>103212867
and that's my issue with averages, median is a better metric, exactly what I tried to explain.
remove outliers from equation.

>>103212724
>many original game frames are GONE, they do not exist anymore
yes. replaced by a brief period of black frame (for bfi) or screen going black (strobing)
thats the whole reason why our eyes perceive it as smoother motion

>>103212915
in the initial 12th gen release windows put all programs in the background on the E-cores
i don't know if they still think that's a good idea or if it's been fixed

>>103212745
crt didnt work the same way. they were impulse displays aka rolling scan
where the fuck do you get your misinformation from?

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Why did we skip 1800p?

>>103212918
it's not replaced at all for strobing, when you strobe you show every original frame but a percentage of it, say 30% is with backlight turned off so the held previous frame is not perceived by you, you just see a series of frames that are perfectly updated but with flicker now

bfi does indeed replace an entire frame in its process, it tells every pixel to turn black for a full refresh again a strobed frame is a full frame with a percentage of it being "black" due to the backlight being offline

>>103212936
which results in smoother motion compared to stock sample and hold

>>103212881
>>103212915
>>103212922
Windows lag is often due to outdated Windows. People don't read patch notes and realize they fixed over 1000+ graphical and performance issues with 24H2. They didn't just add a new start menu and copilot.

>>103212881
yes he is
I have a low latency 5.1ghz 10900k and 4000cl14 b-die system (shilled by him not too long ago btw) next to me and it feels identical to my daily 9800x3d system

>>103212955
motion is the same as with sample and hold you just do not perceive the blur anymore but with BFI you perceive something new, choppy motion that's incoherent because game frames are gone and it skips around now

>>103212967
>motion is the same as with sample and hold you just do not perceive the blur anymore
are you being purposely obtuse?

>>103212957
I'm not updating from windows 10 until someone tests it with OSRTT/LDAT. Last time someone tested it during a previous version w11 was pathetic, added so much latency in the chain.

>>103212957
24H2 runs worse than 23H2 for me lmao
worse in benchmarks
+1ns AIDA latency
doesn't really matter since i spend 99% of my time on linux, but i don't think that's universally true
>>103212966
>shilled by him not too long ago btw
that was the only time jufes made sense, and he's trying to keep that narrative going
10900K + B-die was objectively the best combo if you could afford it and tune it

>>103212983
how can you be sure it wasnt something else to do with that particular individuals setup?

i fired up my old win98 system that was left at my parents house and it felt more responsive in the general os navigation than my 7800x3d rig
how did it get so bad?

>>103212986
I don't see how can it run worse when it includes all the WDDM and scheduler fixes for AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs

>>103212977
I accept your concession.

>>103213013
as do i yours

>>103213006
idk it just does, 5800X, 6800 XT, latest drivers
it doesn't matter because i only use windows to play games with nasty anticheat

>>103213019
That's even worse 23H2 has black screen MPO issues with 6800Xt also driver WDDM performance regression

Is this a good deal? $811 for a gaming pc with
i7-12700F
GPU 3070
16gb ddr5 ram
1tb ssd
2tb hdd

>>103213033
it doesn't matter because i use arch linux and it doesn't have weird regressions between releases caused by incompetent H-1B pajeet code
you might think i'm fucking with you when i mention "arch" and "no weird regressions" but i'm 100% serious

>>103213040
It was new in 2023 and I'm going to spend money on either 16 or 32 additonal ddr5

Going to play Rust on it

haven't had a gaming pc for like 5 years

>>103213040
no.

>>103212988
it's true it was something to do with the system went and checked again to be sure

i wanna play stalker 2 at 4k 120fps
what sort of gpu am i looking at? 5090? i have a 7800x3d so hopefully that is enough though i can get a 9800x3d if necessary.

>>103213067
Can you get a 3070 ddr5 gaming pc cheaper? The i7-12700F has 30697 multithread rating on passmark and 12c20t @ only 65W typical tdp

>>103210812
Anyone know if / when 24" OLED displays will be out?

>>103213086
5090 with dlss can do it

A bit concerned about this PTM7950 thing
If it doesn't get enough heat cycles, is it less effective over time? I didn't bother much with that and as of last month I haven't pushed my GPU much.

>>103213094
which motherboard does it have? the 8 core cpu is probably throttled to shit considering the pc was built by a complete imbecile (8gb ddr5, hdd)

>>103213121
It only says intel b660 chipset

>>103212928
>they were impulse displays
How do you think the scan worked? Impulse=image=Impulse. End result is the same as the current impulse in the LED for OLEDs.

>>103213094
at that price point DDR4 is faster
>>103213129
not specific enough

>>103213129
chipset is meaningless. tell me what kind of power delivery it has between the EPS and socket

>>103213118
it doesn't care. it's specifically good for fluctuations in temperature, I use it for two months on a CPU. gets only better over time.

>>103213131
>rolling scan
the part you oh so conveniently left out because its the key to the motion clarity that you see on crt
i thought you were done but i will accept this concession as well

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>tfw can't decide between 27" 1440p480hz vs 32" 4k240hz vs 42" 4k144hz oleds
it's over

>>103213115
sweet

>>103213154
just wait for the true endgame
20.5" 8k 1khz

>>103213108
never. market would be too niche. there are proart from asus, small displays they are 15-16" though

>>103213134
>>103213139
I've been unable to find the info but it's a Lenovo Legion T5

>>103213168
LOL
captcha: 4H0M0W
just build a rtx 4060/7600 rig

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>>103212279
Sure, it's a pretty nice drive. DRAM matters much more on SATA SSDs than PCIe 3.0 NVMe. This is a PCIe 4.0 drive, so it matters even less.
>>103212318
The massive post-lockdown NAND flash oversupply driving SSD prices into the ground during late 2022 and most of 2023 was eventually used up, so prices rebounded to a certain degree.

>>103213168
offer them $600

>>103213152
how do you think individual "pixels" light up on OLED and CRT? I mean the end result. The actual image you see individually per "pixel" change and how it differs from LCD. I'll wait.

>>103213162
even the fat boomers at df started shilling 480hz but they say 27" maaaaybe maaaaybe 32" is large enough for their fat boomer eyes on a desk, all those fat boomers have used 42" tvs on their desks now
https://youtu.be/ERXwS5R4cYE

>>103213108
you have 24" modes on the 27" ones already if you cant move the monitor away, so yeah never
or maybe if u buy those tiny mobile oled screens and connect it, which is retarded too

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What are the downsides of horizontal stack cases like picrel or HAF XB?
Seems to be more convenient to build/upgrade in than normal towers.

>>103213175
I found a RTX 4060 TI | AMD Ryzen 5 7600 | 16GB DDR5 | ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI @ $1200

>>103213183
i accept your concession

>>103213205
scam

>>103213205
build your own PC
or GTFO
/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>103212046
keep in mind without any tuning a 12600k completelys gets slaughtered by a stock 5800x3d/5700x3d, you need tuned ram, especially dd5 and overclocks to get even
plus on a doa socket, you are better off getting a entry am5 shit
if you aren't tuning intel is pretty much not good ever, that includes disabling ecores too, before ultra gen

>>103213200
they take up more space on desk/floor and i feel like not enough people mention just how much space computers take up.

phantkes g500a yes or no? other cases with similar price are corsair 4000d, nzxt h5 and deepcool ch560

anybody got the Gigabyte M27QA?
I despise monitors with an external power-supply, but this looks like best bang for buck in my Region with my wanted features
please shill it to me or offer another monitor (at least 27" 140hz with KVM capabilities)

>>103210915
the asset loading meme was a meme? it's over
keking at this drama every day
wait for the response sirs

>>103213239
this is extremely petty, but i hate how those gigabyte monitors only have a single "joystick" to control all menus because you have to press and hold it to shut it off. i would very much prefer a simple button.

>>103213251
>the asset loading meme was a meme?
it's not in general, you would see a difference between modern CPU and a CPU from 10 eyars ago. Trying to find out the difference between same exact IPC values even from opposite brands is retarded though.

>>103213265
my current BenQ has 5 buttons i think, I never touch them outside of power
the gigabyte has a dedicated kvm button right?
so at least I'll only press power and kvm when I've set everything up

I got a 4070S here
With an undervolt I get around 20W less on load at around the same performance, maybe a slight bit higher
Is that good as far as efficiency goes?

>>103213296
what are the the values? I got -100w on my 7900XT, but underclock as well since it got too much peformance for my needs anyway.

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>>103213154
I got C2 for entertainment, but where 42" really shines is productivity, replacing a quad-monitor setup while still being readable at longer distance than just sitting upright next to it.

>>103213251
why do you think he has refused to add a frametime graph for years? basic shit that anyone interested in tuning would have on his afterburner HUD

>>103213184
But all the 24" versions on 27" don't scale properly and are blurry. Not because of 1080p but are actually blurry on the display.

>>103213303
Curve limited to 1000mv, +195mhz core clock and +1000mhz memory clock, power and temp limits maxed out (on my asus dual fan one it's 110% and 88C)

>>103213316
dual mode LG for $1500 is alright in 24" 480hz 1080p mode.

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Am I about to be meme'd on if I get this?

>>103213331
what is the point of undervolting for you exactly if you put all other values to the limit?

>>103213344
should be fine, but don't expect miracles, you get forever thermal paste without much hassle and paying a few degrees for it
if you want 2 in 1, get PTM7950 sheet

hello guys, I currently have a 3440x1440 monitor and I'm looking at some gpu benchmark.
Is it a good idea to make the 4k benchmark as a closer reference rather than the normal 1440p resolution?
there's not a lot latest of ultrawide benchmark i see

>>103213379
yes. UW is difficult to run.

>>103213361
I thought it would be obvious? You still get the benefit of lower temps/power consumption, but you might get equal or better performance out of it. In my case it's more around equal.

>>103213379
2560x1440=3686400
3440x1440=4953600
3840x2160=8294400

standard 2K is slightly closer, but realistically you are at the halfway point between the two

>>103213287
the difference is the intel memory system can run way faster though and amd bottleneck being the ram every time it goes out side the cache
but idk

>>103213310
for productivity and casual games I can see it, but any time you would play fps I would want 240 or 480
can't decide
maybe we are back to running multiple screens again
one tv and one desktop monitor

>>103213316
just pick up a 480hz 1440p 27"
simple as

>>103213588
>27"
too big.
i used 1440p 27" between 2015-2018 but sold it after using a friends 24" and I knew I couldn't go back.
tried 1440p 27" last year at that same friends house and I hated it.

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>>103213660
I feel the same way but I also have a hate boner for the 24.5 inch.
https://www.displaywars.com/23,8-inch-16x9-vs-24,5-inch-16x9

23.8 inch is already very big but it's good that you only have to move your eyes around instead of your entire head

>>103213184
yeah sadly im like those boomers
i have astigmatism so i get bigger monitors otherwise i cant see shit

>>103213660
acers 540hz 24" TN costs at best half or almost 1/3rd of the 480hz oleds
zowie 540hz costs MORE than the asus 27" 480hz oled
in my region

what do you play? and why can't you just push the screen just slightly further away?

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>>103213706
based
I went from using a 24" on desktop with 90ppi to starting using a laptop 140ppi at first everything felt tiny and used 125% scaling but it was fucking retarded with blur and even less space on 1080p so swapped to 100% and now it's fine
only using 125% scaled in browser mostly

>>103213711
WarCraft 3, Counter-Strike Source, CS2, Battlefield 3+4+1, Delta Force, sometimes racing games.
I've tried. It's just too big, I don't like it.

I don't know what the fuck are you guys on about
I went from 24'' 1080p to 27'' 1440p and it's perfect except on linux where for some reason KDE plasma shits the bed with fractional scaling

>>103213732
the only thing I can think of is you like to sit close to it
else its just the same size pushed further away
and the upside now is you get strobe like motion without strobing on 480hz

>>103213755
I went to stores and anything between 27 32 and 42 isnt even that big but idk

can i play for a month with amazon gpu and return it?

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>light autocannon primary
>Luger pistol as a pocket autocannon
>Pelican autocannon sweep
when
fucking when

>>103213819
It's doable

>>103213819
fellow african american

So pump fan should be set to a constant value? Some say 100%, while others 50-60%. What's the most "efficient"?

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>>103210812
first time changing the cpu
i dont know if i put the cooler on correctly because i struggled with the pins that go into the motherboard

are these temperatures fine?
i'm using intel stock cooler

it gets very noisy from time to time, does that mean i put the heatsink wrong?
the idle temperatures seem fine right?

is there a reason why the corsair 4000D isn't in the OP? I was thinking of getting it for my next build

>>103213956
It used to be in the Avoid section.

>>103213932
when i game, the cpu seems to reach 100°

>>103213966
why would you say this without mentioning why if not to troll

>>103213983
For what purpose is there to call me a troll? I remembered it being there but double-checked the OP any but I didn't see it either so I searched the archive. Lo and behold it actually was. But in the Avoid column as I said previous.
Go fuck yourself with a rusty knife.

>>103214005
great post

>>103213932
>i'm using intel stock cooler
thats normal then. but seriously, spend the $30 on a good cooler like the phantom spirit evo 120 and you'll definitely get better performance since your cpu is throttling at 100c

>>103213908
set it to the highest percentage that doesn't sound annoying

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I should really have bought the asus pg32ucdm on sale for 999 before they price bumped it to another shittier sale
I did not even look and missed this deal
it's quite literally over now
no new monitor for a 5090 build
no new build ever
it's over
I won't be gaming for another 2 years
I'm done
I'm finished
I was this close to being complete, and I fumbled the bag

>>103214037
I use NC headphones so don't notice the noise

I've noticed since getting an AIO, I seem to have less 0.1% lows and less stuterring?

>>103214063
congratulations

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>>103213932
buy a $20 cooler that looks like this

Completely new to building pc.

Is this good for budget that can run modern games on ultra 1080?

>>103214063
that's what big water wants you to think

Are there any converters that allow me to put a m.2 M key NVME drive to a SATA connector, obviously with all the speed hits?
I have too many m.2 drives and can't connect them all to my motherboard.

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>>103214079

>>103214096
don't pay for windows, you can download it for free from microsoft.com
and windows 11 is worse than 10 in every single way

>>103214096
Yesterday anon got 5700X3D for $140 (after all coupons and discounts) on ali

>>103214096
>7700XT
>$589
what the fuck
the only redeeming quality of that card is that it costs $350
otherwise get 6800 instead

>>103214038
Buy the MSI one. It's literally the same panel. The only differences are that it doesn't come with G-Sync, and it uses a different proprietary operating system that controls the features and so forth. MSI's is apparently more restrictive in that they try to retard proof the monitor from getting burn in, but Asus is considerably more lax in your ability to turn stuff off and seems to compensate for this by using the built-in motion sensor that I think you can't turn off.

>>103214090
Nope, I looked far and wide for this, there's nothing that converts between the NVME/PCIe protocol and SATA.

>>103214090
What you can do is buy a PCIe card that adds 2 NVME m.2 slots. But no way to use SATA connectors with NVME drives, only m.2 SATA drives which is a totally different thing in the same form factor.

How many parts can you upgrade/swap in a pc before it becomes a new pc? At what point are you playing on a complete different pc?

>>103214090
Oh and this is really stupid but you can also use an external USB NVME enclosure, and an internal USB to external USB port adapter, then put it in your case. Why nobody ever just fucking made a protocol adapter to use the internal SATA ports, I do not know.

>>103214226
That's a purely philosophical question with no right answer.

>>103214096
I changed a couple things, if you've got a GPU already I'd use that until the new year when the new GPU gen is out but nevermind if you don't.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/sz46h7

>>103214105
seconding

>>103214145
they're obviously posting in dollarydoos.

>>103214226
it's semantics but i personally consider the mobo to be the "main" part of the pc, so when you swap that it becomes a new pc

>>103214096
>5600 is 150
Should I sell my 5600x? how would I go about doing so? Just upgraded from AM4 to AM5 with 9800x3d

>>103213973
>>103214025
>>103214077
so I didn't put it in wrong?
the idle temperatures are what you'd expect if I put it in right?

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>>103214187
msi pricing is horrendous in eu and more than asus was on sale, and their firmware and osd is ass
at this point im just gonna cope and wait for more 1440p480hz oleds to drop and they will probably be even cheaper, im taking the high refresh cope, maybe, they weren't on sale either
I can't make up my mind

>>103214269
This. Even if you keep every other part the same, your motherboard treats all those other parts as new. Further, it requires you to pretty much disassemble your entire build and then reassemble it to replace the motherboard. No other part requires this or has the sort of impact/time involvement as the motherboard. If you didn't change the RAM? Well, maybe your new motherboard doesn't like that RAM and you have issues with hitting the same timings and speed. Same for the CPU. Blah, blah, blah.

>>103213956
Look at 5000D instead if you insist on corsair. I seem to remember 4000D having clearance issues with some of the 4000 series gpus

>>103214226
when you need a new platform

>>103214226
look up The ship of Theseus

>>103214269
yeah thats how Microsoft sees it for licensing purposes but if you take a build, change nothing but the motherboard for an identical motherboard is that the same PC?

>>103214272
list it on marketplace but it might be more trouble than its worth.

>>103214305
I had to take out my mobo to unscrew my top fan. It has long screws that go in from the bottom. I made it an intake fan so I have positive pressure.

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>>103214277
idle looks alright, the 9700f and 9th gen in general are just hot cpus. intel put solder tim on that line of cpus but left the die too thick (they later fixed it on 10th gen) which made them really bad at passing heat to the cooler.

>>103214346
i see, thank you very much

>>103214215
>What you can do is buy a PCIe card that adds 2 NVME m.2 slots.
Those are tricky, most have 1 m.2 m key for nvme and 1 b key (or was it a or e I forgot) for sata plus an external sata input. Basically it adds 1 nvme m.2 slot and converts one sata to m.2 sata.

There are bifurcation cards but those require a full x16 lane, and my motherboard only supports x8x4x4. So that means 3 NVME slots, and an inability to use any videocards.
There's a chink x8x4x4 adapter that gives two x4 nvme slots and a x8 PCIE low height card, but that leaves you with exactly two options for videocards which are faster than even AMD onboard graphics.

>>103214233
Yeah, I figured this was my only choice, my mobo only has two 10G USB ports (one USB-A and one USB-C). But I guess any external enclosures would still be backwards compatible with 5G USB ports.

is the 7600x3d hype over?

>>103213956
just get the new lian li 207

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Building a fanlass HTPC

Is it okay if I run my Z690 aqua w/ 12600kf and a 6950xt sequentially in the same loop or is that to much power for a single g 1/4 ?

>>103214384
>microcentre and mindfactory exclusive
>launched when 7800x3d was around $350
>gimped clocks, 10% slower in gaymes
there never was any hype for that in the first place

>>103214393
All you are doing is exchanging fan noise with pump noise.

>>103214422
Pumps are in the basement with a water to water heat exchanger.
I'm more worried about coil whine then anything else

>>103210812
PSU eco mode yay or nay? Can PSUs even get dangerously hot, like realistically? I have an 850W Super Flower LEADEX VII XG with my case on the floor besides me, and noise isn't an issue. But I don't mind lower power consumption and higher fan longevity with eco mode ON. What does /pcbg/ recommend?

>>103214226
Swapping the motherboard

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Is Crucial memory fine?
Looking to upgrade RAM on a laptop

>>103214455
Yes , nothing special but its what most OEMs use

>>103214441
power supplies have better efficiency the cooler they are
You probably want to keep the fan on unless the noise bothers you

>>103214455
it's fine for ddr4.
it's shit tier for ddr5.

>>103214455
they're cheap and reliable

>>103214482
Okay then, I'll keep it OFF. I can't toggle the fan on or off, eco mode is the only switch besides power.

>>103210593
not enough fans

i cant even posta picture why does this thread suck my cocks

>>103211145
I found a trash computer yesterday
had a 250GB SATA SSD and an i7-3770K
with 16GB DDR3 lol

>>103214532
that's $50 worth of parts

>>103214405
Is the 7800x2d stuill 350 or am i gay
https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx

>>103214550
iirc 7800x3d bundles were $400 or under back then

>>103214515
Yeah more fanservice is needed.

>>103214575
No shot bro, the 7600 actually went down $100

>>103210915
>Not Tech Jesus
Why does anyone ever even bother with benchmarks aside from GamersNexus?

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god DAMNIT I might just cop the alienware for 777€ the price is pretty tempting even tho the fucking bend

>>103214550
You might like dicks because it says $439.99

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>>103214025
>>103214077
>>103214346
i kept looking for fixes and found on reddit some advice that said to disable intel's turbo boost.

i did that, and now it's totally fixed. idle temperatures are lower, pc is quieter, and even when gaming the temperatures get to 70° max.

i don't know what turbo boost is, but it totally isn't worth it. my fps in game are basically the same, but the temperatures dropped -30°.

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dont know if this is the right place to ask but are there any good modern monitors in something like 4:3 aspect ratio
accurate color is the most important for me along with a higher resolution but thats secondary
price is not an issue
or am i just fucked and have to get a normal wide monitor

>>103214649
thats retail price goobie, not buncle

>>103214666
you just reduced your performance by 30%
you were running at 4.4ghz-4.7ghz before and now you're only doing 3.0ghz

>>103214694
but i'm still gaming fine. i'm still getting 60 fps.
why was it using so much power to get 60 fps?

>>103214543
that's like an hour's wages
fuck yeah

>>103214713
the last few mhz take up a disproportionate amount of total power (think final 0.3ghz for 30-40% of total power) because power scales exponentially with operating voltage

>>103214738
You don't make 100k a year though

>>103214676
There's one 3840x2560 huawei but I have no idea how accurate its colors are.

>>103214750
i see, but since i'm getting the same performance i did before, i dont need that setting on

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>>103214620
once you go curved you will never want to go back to normal

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i have a 4090
r 7800 x3d
4tb ssd / 64gb ram
also 4k monitor
but i still feel like i need to upgrade or im using a not fully perfect pc
im actually waiting for nintendo switch 2 to lay in my bed and do nothing but consoom mobile slop
what is this illness?
when i was off work neeting before getting the pc all i was doing is just playing on switch and i had fun
why is it so soulless with a pc now
im sitting at my chair and im feeling fucking unhappy

>>103214713
What do you mean so much power

>>103214791
thats because you're hitting the frame cap of 60
in games that are heavy or if you have unlocked fps where cpu performance is the bottleneck, you'd see a 10-30% reduction in performance from the reduced clockspeed

>>103214831
>>103214831
>>103214831

>>103214806
cringe cant help you cartoon guy

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Day 591 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>103214810
i meant that temperature would get to 100 and the fan would spin like crazy, while the performance was still 60 fps, the same as now with turbo boost off.

>>103214816
so i'm not going to lose performance, because i never run unlocked fps
whats weird is that at the same performance, 60fps with turbo boost on, it used to get so loud. i dont understand that

>>103213154
32"4k240hz with 480hz 1080 dualmode makes more sense if you think about it logically. When you use 480hz, you're going to be turning down your graphics quality anyway, so 1920x1080 is fine.

>>103214806
Build a NAS out of 8x 8TB sata SSDs and connect it to your PC via dedicated 40GbE line.

>>103214865
oh you forget the thermal paste

>>103214874
Use 480hz? Is that even possible?

>>103214999
some online FPS games are not that heavy and can run very fast, and people generally run them at low settings to make the most of their high refresh monitor

most game engines cap somewhere around the 500 fps mark

I see that my micro center has the 9800x3d. I was planning on waiting for a good 9700x deal.
I don't really game anymore and would rather use Photoshop or Lightroom.
Should I bite the bullet with the 9800x3d?

>>103214798
makes sense on ultrawides but the most tempting thing is the price

>>103215031
Yes.
Get 9800x3d and never worry again.

>>103214874
the negative part here is I hear the dual mode thing can be buggy and janky
and 1080p on 32" is not that good
and obviously you are losing 1440p480 which would be the potential one
and while we are at it dualmode vs non dualmode 4k now we are comparing woled vs qdoled, the newest qdoled is probably the best in terms of clarity and its glossy too plus hdr plus colors
hard choices
there are also no good sales on the dual mode ones either rn

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>sitting on the 7800X3D
>everyone is having fun tinkering with their 9800X3D's
not like this...

>>103215143
7800x3d is pretty good but its just boring from a tinkering standpoint since its factory locked

>>103215143
DUUUDE LMFAOOOOO

>>103215143
>fun
>tinkering

>>103213040
Non K cpus are trash

>>103215143
I got a 7900. Not X just the basic one. It's very boring but it is low TDP and more cores for me to use for multi-core stuff like I dunno running make -J12 or something, opening a lot of tabs in Firefox maybe. Whatever I do at the computer that isn't games. And all my games are on emulator I don't think they even use GPU? Like SNES and N64.

>>103215143
well don't sit on a CPU then, just use it

>>103215318
you can run n64 on a chromecast
sell your pc and get a core 2 duo for $5

>>103215517
I think it's mostly the web browser that drives my need for more memory and CPU cores. Modern internet is super bloated.

my hydro ti pro is getting delivered today, please pray for me that it's actually the updated 3.1 model and not the old 3.0 one

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What is the best 1080p monitor under £200?
For:
>gaming
>colour
>low min brightness
>low power consumption
In return:

>>103215992
you can barely get wide color gamuts on the 1080p ones with high hz
idk

>>103215992
theres like 10 1080p monitors listed in ops post

>>103215992
you're paying too much for a legacy resolution screen

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>>103216126
>>103216042
>>103216026
well thanks anyway boys. And yeah, the ones in the OP weren't convincing