I'm embarrassed to say I am subscribed to this guy somehow

does psytrance qualify for album's theme?

>>103270957
he's a piano autist, he probably posts here

>>103272309
Yes.

Captcha: WTARD

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i'm a poorfag with a pair of these

what thing(s) i can do to improve the acoustics in my small apartment to help me improve my mixing? i want to start with the cheapest improvements and then scale up. is it possible? or a waste of time? i don't know anything.

https://www.elektronauts.com/
Their site has been down for a day or so now... what do you think is happening?

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>>103272741
Rearranging your space and to get a triangle with your monitors is mostly all you need. If your walls are bare and echoey, you can put up some heavy curtains or bookshelves, stuff to break up the plain hard surfaces.

>>103273646
yeah i heard about it is best to make an equilateral triangle position with the speakers. i will do this.

echoing is the biggest issue, because i don't own much stuff. there is a lot of empty space. i will look into rugs and heavy curtains and things to put on the wall.

do the speakers need to be away from the wall with distance between them? also, do I need those pads in the corners and on the sides? they seem expensive.

>>103273709
those pads in the corners are bass traps, which you can also DIY / just put heavy stuff in the corner of your room. I dunno how necessary they are if your monitors aren't producing a lot of low-frequency anyway. I also dunno how much it matters that the speakers are away from the walls; they should ideally be pointed directly at you though, at ear height.

Overall yes, echo reduction is fundamentally breaking up hard surfaces with heavy non-flat things. Mass absorbs sound, and non-flat diffuses the sound that isn't absorbed, so you don't get as much resonance. The actual materials and shapes don't matter much beyond that, hence thrift-store curtains/rugs and bookshelves will likely be the cheapest option.

Also FWIW you can also correct for room resonances in software; there's free software to measure and apply a correction EQ curve for that.

>>103270253
This image shows what's wrong with my generation (gen x). We think like is supposed to be fun, when actually it's supposed to be painful and full of screaming, and heads being chopped off, and getting thrown from horses etc.

>>103273646
>my room is a cube.

Korg M1 has no phase function.
This is a problem.

The delay is not sufficient, no.

>>103273837
thanks. i guess i should start filling my space with funkopops and turkish rugs

>>103275612
> using emulated onboard effects instead of just running the m1 through something modern
extreme down syndrome

>>103276143
the phase of the waves you dunce

how do i get those aggressive sewerslvt synths?

>>103273709
ideally they should be at least 1 meter away from the wall so that there is enough of a time delay to separate the direct sound from the reflections

>>103275833

You don't need to get super fancy, even throwing some heavy blankets over chairs in the corners of the room will make a big difference.

>>103176194
Needs slightly more of the vocal sample.
Quite enjoyable. Keep up the good work anon.

>>103270253
Plugins I'm considering buying this sale:

Snapback, more of a gimmick want, seems fun to play around with.

Trackspacer or Fuser. I read that Fuser is more advanced and can fix phase issues with kick/bass, kick/clap as well but it's more CPU intensive and I have an old pc so I haven't decided which one I'll get yet.

ADA Flanger, need a nice flanger and it sounds nice on the youtube videos about it. 12.50 euro on PB.

I'm also considering TDR Kotelnikov GE, I've used the free version a ton and the GE version is only 10 euros on Plugin Boutique.

For the free stuff you get when buying on PB I'm considering gforce Axxess. The other choices seems bland.

>>103278868
>I have an old pc
bruh

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how does xe make xer synths sound like that?

>>103279680
literally who

literally the most phony derivative slop i've ever heard. anyone can be on the vevo platform? he's on vevo and still doesn't get streams.

so there are actually a bunch of plugins that can do phase rotation, don't need neutron 5

>Completely transparent processing
By default the plugin only delays each track and possibly inverts the polarity of some of them. But no filtering is done, nothing that would alter the signal in any way. You can expect pristine audio quality with improved attack and minimum phasing problems.

>Spectral phase compensation
Since version 11.02 MAutoAlign performs something previously unimaginable - it actually fixes the phase for each frequency in all tracks, if you ask it to. During the analysis it now not only estimates the ideal delays and polarity, but also the ideal phase rotation to minimize cancellations. This means it can compensate for phase differences caused by 3D nature of the instruments being recorded, by the microphones and other recording equipment, and even processing you perform before MAutoAlign. So now you can actually equalize the tracks without worrying about phase cancellations!

Question: when you lay down your drums, do you use MIDI or something grid based? And if you use MIDI, how long do you usually record at once?

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>>103279680
Wavestation
>>103281042
>literally the most phony derivative
He was making music like this way before it became popular among zoomers. Yeah, he was aping Japanese videogame and sci-fi anime OSTs, but he did have his own little twist on it so you could tell it was a DV-i track; definitely not the most phony derivative slop.

>>103281668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boCKswZRO3o
this is just a recycled old happy hardcore song

basically there is nothing special about his songs, he's not remotely a mozart or a skrillex, any kid could do that, it's the most homoginized slops with some shimmery weeb synths

>>103281784
That's one of his new tracks, baka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmsgdS06LT0

and anons will generally tell you to lowpass your synths if there's any treble content whatsoever, even though there are some songs like clean bandit - tick tock that pull off bright sounds successfully and charli xcx 360/365 has like a sinesweep chirp up to 20khz or something

>>103281826
basically generic dnb type music with shimmery synths slapped on top

just gave this guy's music a listen and it is 100% better than some /dmp/ schizo's at least

>>103281904
it doesn't remotely have the "it" factor, otherwise he should have hundreds of millions of streams by now. you're just aspiring to be like him because you see it as an easier target that takes less effort to achieve.

>>103281928
>hundreds of millions of streams
telltale signs of schlop intended for the unwashed plebs, not something to aspire to
>you're just aspiring to be like him
not the guy who originally brought him up, i just clicked around the youtube links posted

>>103281976
*tips fedora* nice sour grapes. self-proclaimed misunderstood artists are extremely punchable.

>>103282025
same to you m'lady *tips*, now back to /mu/ you go

basically people in /hpg/ and /iemg/ listen to weird weeb music because their audio gear is inadequate for listening to normal music so they convince themselves that the weird music is better. they're the target audience for this DV-i guy. similar people why people who use 10 year old sony headphones worship skrillex, KOAN sound, telefon tel aviv, etc.

>>103282084
It's funny how any time someone in tge thread brings up an artist they like you add it to your list that you always pull up to talk shit about.
Almost like you're trying to get a raise out of /dmp/ posters by insulting what they like and ignoring all the other artists that we agreed aren't good.
Everything you post is textbook bait.

>>103282162
Bruh, we gotta stop replying to that guy.
I'm pretty sure he is the guy who brought up those other artists in the first place, pretending to be obsessed with them.

>>103282240
You're right, but if we don't highlight his history of obvious baiting, someone who's not as active here might not realize that he's talking to the resident schizoposter and actually start to argue with him.
As long as we don't do that, giving him a couple (You)s here and there to let everyone know that he's not worth talking to, is an acceptable compromise IMO.

>>103282162
for example /prod/ shat on >>>/mu/124484542 even though it could be almost decent with a few tweaks. even retarded ass /mu/ fags are more discerning than you are. it's WILD that you're trying to be a producer but you don't have passable music taste or anything.

>responds with a non-sequitur
Could he actually be a bot?
It would kind of explain the enormous amount of time spent watching tutorials, reading reddit comments, and shitposting about them.

it's been LIFE CHANGING to experience endgame audio and it was only after a while of having endgame audio that i worked up the courage to get into producing because i could hear properly what was going on in the songs and how there are vast quality differences between amateur slop and top tier successful music. why some anons get into producing without having some clear advantage over random bedroom producer kids who barely get any streams after having put out songs for many years is beyond me.

>>103282699
Many successful producers do so on laptop speakers and airpods

true

Using noise gates on drum loop is endless fun
https://vocaroo.com/12Es3WBT75U9

Music only sounds good on good monitoring that’s why all music before 2000~ is unlistenable they didn’t realize their music was so bad because they couldn’t hear it right with endgame audio of todays modern standards.

>>103285241
+ delay tails
2 knobs, 2 hands, 2 goods

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>voice software are all aboard the AI train now
fuck
>they're getting increasingly popular among normies
fuck

>>103283086
cope, there is no reason for someone successful to put the bare minimum of improving their audio situation. they'd still rely on other people to do their mixing and mastering for them.

>>103285246
pretty much any successful music was recorded in a proper studio with top tier analog gear and heavily produced. the engineer for the beatles invented a chorus effect to save time on having to record overlapping takes on their vocals. now the average anon doesn't even have a clue about using analog emulation plugins which are inferior to the hardware anyway.

for example you see it as voodoo magic or a forced market meme that pendulum were more successful than DV-i. but any kid with logitech speakers could discern which is the better music. now some models of logitech speakers have gained the status of "budget audiophile" tier but any kid could have them back then, it was common to use speakers and desktop computers. now DV-i's streaming numbers speak for themselves, you're severely crippled as a wannabe producer if you can't tell why DV-i isn't successful. you're like wannabe game devs from 10 years ago dickriding random pixelshit games.

Any chance they'll be some good deals for the DGX670?

>>103286579
maybe. I'm about to pick up a CK 88 and it is $150 off right now. That surprises me actually because Yamaha is a bit like Apple and never really puts things on sale much. DGX670 is a good candidate for a Black Friday deal, but who knows.

>>103286594
From what I've been seeing it looks like no matter what you'll be paying MSRP the only thing that changes is how much extra shit gets bundled in at no additional charge.

Would spending time learning Ableton to make electronic music like jungle/house/garage/etc be worthwhile if your primary goal is making music for a live band (guitar/drums/keys/bass)?
Will things you learn be useful and give you a new perspective?

>>103287481
Extremely yes, just like the other way around.
How fast you actually see benefit may be highly variable and not actually worth the time investment if you’re only going to be shallow and quit it eventually though.

So imo only do it if it’s something you’re actually interested in and would do outside of your band regardless; i.e if it’s only an educational pursuit there are much better uses of your time (learning piano and a bunch of pieces for example if that’s not your instrument).

>>103287544
>if that’s not your instrument)
hehehe
I'm allergic to the mouse, but I will try to stick to it. I enjoy those kinds of music too and it might be a nice break to be able to just focus on one part/voice/line while playing instead of trying to improvise both melody and harmony at once.
The hope is that I'll then be able to take some of those musical ideas over to my real instrument and make them work in the context of the band.
There are just so few hours in the day after work that I'm nervous about not being able to practice my instrument as much.

>>103287746
Yeah true, I was in kind of a reverse situation at some point with my band (me) and ultimately only play instruments for quick breaks and as supporting instruments in electronic music for the most part.

Even worst case scenario though with you never becoming adept, you’ll be exposed to music and ideas that are outside of your comfort zone.
-there are definitely examples where you can pick up on the influence that isn’t exactly explicit but comes across in guitar tones and voicing and such (your select radioheads, and I’ll get shit for saying it but about a million (idk a lot of) rhcp songs).
You can never predict how these things work out in your mind.

>>103287838
For sure. My band is also (me) ")
Didn't Froosh make some albums with Renoise? Pretty sure he did; I don't know as much about Johnny.

>>103287931
Yeah afaik pretty much everything post 2010~ was renoise aside from his monomachine wannabe ambient autechre thing from a couple years ago.
There are guitar “demos” included in there as well as in some of the more polished tracks, but I don’t know anything about recording in renoise, or if other DAWs were involved.

I’m not sure about the particular members but I recall explicit examples including the opener on OKCs drums being dj shadow inspired (I guess they gated it to sound sampled) the filter sweeps on that one solo…
… the chord progression in idioteque was supposedly based on inverting the Tristan chord? (Other way around obviously and I heard conflicting stories about the nature of that “sampling” and whether it was something Johnny made or not).

As an aside I find it really amusing that that one song from in rainbows was a tribute to frusciantes style of playing lol

Oh and there are like a million examples of frusciante soft-stealing random licks and riffs and flipping it into a whole song- Hendrix to public enemy, doesn’t matter.

The “study you influences influences” mantra is useful for seeing how other people think and incorporate their influences so YOUUUU can break it down in similar ways. Yuh.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=DlaHAVy7-ec
this captures the feel of classic dnb. it's like mike tyson in his prime vs some zoomer tranny. not even close.

might get back into sunvox it always felt so chill and soothing to use. dude behind it is a legend in my eyes what a wonderful program it still is.

>>103288334
what are you listening non?
this sounds like dogshit on my genelecs.
very digital unpleasant distortion where you can tell they tried to squash the dynamics. awful high end.

>>103288477
you need a better DAC tard

it fits right in with something like smack my bitch up which is an absolute classic, the distortion is intentional, it's euphonic
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=xW17jtkjvvg

it's a joke if you're making stuff like DV-i and saying you're the one who deserves platinum certs

>>103288490
I'm sitting in a studio with dedicated parts for everything.
Anybody with a proper listening environment will tell you how awful this sounds, you can't miss it unless you're listening on shitty prosumer speakers or apple earbuds.

>>103288551
literal tranny take, chase & status are some of the most legit artists in the dnb scene. it sounds better than pendulum which has digital distortion but pendulum pretty much made art in the truest sense of the word, especially compared to tranny tier stuff like DV-i.

>pendulum
digital aliasing*

anons don't even like music, you complain about almost anything no matter how successful, even songs with billions of streams you can't find a single thing that sounds good in them

chase & status even won the brit award for producer of the year 2024

>>103288576
Yes, and I love them.
This is one of their worst tracks. Everybody fucks up.

Either your ears or your monitoring is fucked mate.

>>103288704
so you'd rather have >>103281826

>>103288728
No you insufferable retard, stop deflecting with random bullshit just because you're deaf and have shitty monitoring.
Maybe spend more time training your sorry excuse for "ears" and less time flipping your pathetic little dick across your keyboard.

>>103288778
not everyone fetishizes dynamic range lmfao this is the standard for modern music. there is little room for "improvement" in using different soft clippers, hard limiters, compressors. i'd trust the judgment of 2024 brit award producers of the year over random boomer anon.

also if YOUR monitoring is sub-optimal YOU will perceive issues with dynamic range which aren't there on a fully linear system

>>103288778
Just so you know, you're talking to a confirmed troll.

>>103288898
it has a platinum cert and you're saying it sounds like shit. not sure who's the troll here.

>>103288795
literally not what i'm saying. keep studying.

It was once comfy over here. Why would someone want to and proceed to ruin this general?

>>103281588
Grid & groove mapping

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https://vocaroo.com/1f0V7tMQO4gQ

/mu/ is dead as shit
Im not sure about the gated saws in that later part, will probably change it up when i get an idea for a better ending

>>103289194
this is nice but the ending is a bit repetitive

>>103288334
What are you talking about, that's some american pop shit. EDM was the worst thing to happen to electronic music.

>>103289235
Yea i got lazy in the end, im sure ill come up with a better ending
Other that that its good?

>>103288976
my guess is that /mu/ is too dead to cast baits in lately. three prod threads fell off the catalog this week, i wonder what happened

>>103289409
I like it anyway.
Seeing as you are a /moo/ immigrant, do you want to make a track for our next album?

>>103289604
90s trance isnt really my thing, but ill see if i got something in the backlog that fits the genre, also when couple of guys submit songs ill see what are you guys aiming for

>>103288914
you complained about digital distortion from trying to squash the dynamics

like trying to reason with medieval peasants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2XSoGyNrxA&lc=UgzO1jGN0s_LS_XPy-V4AaABAg

What things could I improve?

>>103290048
Sidechaining

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>>103290062
I am so unorganised I forget which sample is routed to which channel

>>103290048
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2XSoGyNrxA&lc=UgzO1jGN0s_LS_XPy-V4AaABAg [Embed]

If it's meant for rap use flourishes and some other melody to first accentuate repetitive sections and then secondly, to set chorus/verses apart from each other a little more. Regardless, I liked it. Sounds a tad muddy, you could brighten it up a little bit. Once again tho, nice choppa

>>103290048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_CQM1ae8SM&ab_channel=John-Joseph

>>103290147
maybe it can go with rap. But I primarily want to make some lofi hop for my breakdancer friends.

>>103290147
Should I sample melodies or make one with the synths? I dont feel like the latter would do well

>>103290173
synth-hop?

>>103290304
if it's for breakers then def chop it up a bit more, make some beats stutter, throw in some stabs and call it a day. It might be nice to take an old classic scratch record sample and tastefully incorporate it. I dig it as a lo-fi chill beat as is tho, but you could make it stand out a bit more since it's not meant for rappers/singers. A good airy sample to give it a little sonic edge, makbe some wind or strings, or a female choral sample

>>103290321
I wrote it for some depressing lyrics I made for gay ass therapy, it just is what it is. I can't label my shit , I just make whatever. See ifg your breaker buddies can get down to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUdtJCzupeA&ab_channel=John-Joseph

>>103290364
thanks anon. Dont give me much credit. If you didn't know already I got the idea from a hit nujabes song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYcoJpqCha4

The song that was sampled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkk6m14htzw

>>103290384
weird ahh song. funky but this is more of a video game soundtrack tham lofi hop. I dont feel like it can be called breakbeats because the drums sound something like synth and eurobeat

>>103290510
it's an evolving art form that takes inspiration and influence from what came before it

>>103290549
lol, yeah

Lets say I have $100 to $150 budget for equipment. I have a pc and a cheap yamaha keyboard. What would be a good midi /synth to help out?

>>103290737
what are you trying to do?

>>103290825
Make simple music for myself

>>103290737
You don't have monitoring speakers or headphones?

>>103290911
I have a set of decent headphones I just want something cheap that has pads for drums.

>>103290919
if you want a drumpad arturia drumstep might be a good choice, its pretty cheap and pretty good, has 16 drum pads and 16 knobs.
actually i have one and i never even used it lol

>>103290932
I could just probably use my streamdeck xl but I feel like it won't be as responsive.

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Good afternoon, /dmp/!
Once again, since no one saw it the last time, this is the final version of my track for the 90's trance album!

https://files.catbox.moe/34yq2l.flac
https://vocaroo.com/18HtKI0i7h3b

>Title: U.T.B. (Back To '93 Mix)

>>103291294
I think someone did take a look: >>103277756
Overall, nice work, I like it. I think it's got a pretty strong 90s vibe and it sounds really good. Second half is great. Though, the first half doesn't quite sound like "trance". I think it could use just a bit more melody before the breakdown starts at 1:01. I know you said it's final, but I think if you could find a way to take those melodies from later in the track and find a way to subtly incorporate them earlier (like just hint or tease them), then that would perfect it.
Also, as I've been kind of saying to everyone: trance should be at a slightly higher tempo than what most of you are probably used to, usually 130+ bpm. If I'm measuring your track correctly, it's around 128? For comparison: "Sandstorm" is pretty high energy and "Children" is relatively low energy, but they're both around 137 bpm. Then there's "Lullaby Lonely" (not 90s), which is one of the softest trance tracks I can think of, and even it is still around 130.
https://youtu.be/5Rk8u2FTaG0
https://youtu.be/ckiuB3VmHJk
https://youtu.be/LJsu74q8n9E

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How's she lookin', boys?

>>103290737
you've already got the basics covered. either upgrade your daw to the top level if it's not already, a vst for things you're missing (drum vsts are kinda pricy yet don't have free alternatives), or real life instrument you're interested in trying (percussion, cheap wind instruments, etc.). some decent mics are also in that range, or saving money towards a better interface/di box.

if you have money and you're asking what to spend it on, just save it. there's not much good in that range that you wouldn't have bought in a heartbeat already.

i have a list of things to buy and when i'm shopping online, i'll consult the list to see if it makes sense to buy. after something has stayed on the list long enough and i haven't purchased it, i remove it from the list. never buy something the same day you find out about it, give it a few days and see if you still want or need it. if you're still obsessing over it then you should buy it and get it over with even if it's a bad choice, at least you can probably return it soon enough when your obsession turns to dislike.

>>103292179
Nice and not to sausagey

>>103292179
brickwall it, i still see transient peaks

>>103292647
NO CAN DO. Those are my precious jungle snares.

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>>103291910
I was going for a more early-90's sound, which is a bit slower and more techno-y, but that's... actually not bad advice!

Ok, here it is, the final FINAL version of my track for the album!

https://files.catbox.moe/934mf8.flac
https://vocaroo.com/1jTfM5CPzG3m

>>103292179
Mine's a screwdriver lol

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>>103292764
Based.
https://vocaroo.com/14USqAE13Zfl

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>>103292764
Sounds good! Nice small improvements. Very trance, I like it.

I was just thinking: It would be kinda cool if everyone doing album submissions could also make full extended mix versions of their tracks too. Never know... some DJ could hear them on YT and want to play them in a set, and they'd need an extended mix for that. Also, maybe the album anon could even do a continuous mix version of the album, though that's probably a lot of work.
Sorry, I just get excited about trance stuff.

>>103287971
>>103287987
Good artists copy, great artists steal. :3
The more one exposes themselves to various genres of music, the bigger their musical vocabulary becomes, and the potential for more interesting/exciting/novel music increases exponentially.
My friend's dad always said to study [our] influences' influences.
>>103292764
>>103293018
Double based. I'm looking forward to this next album.
I have some chord progressions in mind and a month to learn Ableton. Shiat. Probably won't make it.

>>103293360
>continuous mix version of the album
I forget which album, but I believe there was a different anon that did this very thing for it. Perhaps someone will step up and do the same for this one.

>>103291294
what voice is that? it sounds like kermit

>>103293552
It's from a meme. You wouldn't get it.

>>103288334
>captures the feel of classic dnb
u wot m8

>>103288334
>this captures the feel of classic dnb
lmao

>>103270253
The absolute best trance mixtape(s) of 1996.

https://archive.org/details/rave_Dan_Efex_Epilogue

If you don't know of the rave archive, you can listen to or DL old mixtapes, a lot of them live at classic raves

>>103295534
The hard trance c and d sides are the best

>>103270253
Reddit is ADAMANT that you should NEVER master your own mixes. thoughts?

>>103295769
go back and stay there

it's here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OphF9eZ4HWA

explanation starts around 1m

>>103295769
if you're "mastering" your own mixes, you're not mastering shit.

reddit is right.

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I just realized that the 303 is the greatest synth ever made. I can't keep lying to myself. And the 909 is the best drum machine. I'm replacing my gear with a TD-3-MO and an RD-9. I'm done

>>103296524
programming it sucks, i have 2 vsts i rather use for it

>>103296538
I'll be sequencing it with a Squarp Hapax. But the limitations of the internal sequencer spawned many popular dance genres, so it has merit

>>103296642
a lot of things were spawned out of limitations, doesn't mean anything about the merit of them

>>103295769
it will obviously be worse than if a (((mastering engineer))) did it, but i'm not going to spend my money on that

>>103273646
>that tiny ass room
is this one of those "wife let me move to the closet" kind of setups

>>103296884
clearly in the cuck shed

>>103296658
>Limitations have no merit
Laughable assertion

This week I booted up an old tribute in progress to an event that happened in a game five years ago.
Man digital music is so annoying. Like you gotta find the instruments you wanna use? And then maybe they sound good maybe they don't?
I hate computers

>>103297165
Is this bait? That's the cool thing about digital music. You can find the samples in your hard drive that are more or less 'close' to what you want, and then just roll with them, and suddenly you create something that sounds mildly different from what you've envisioned in your head.

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>>103296884
>"wife let me move to the closet"

>>103297236
I guess you're right that does sound kind of fun when you put it like that. I love when things don't end up quite as I've envisioned. It's like interest generation.
I don't necessarily have that big of a sample library though (sorry I'm not that experienced with music production). How do you like, go about finding good samples? Sorry if this is way too broad of a question to be answered in a meaningful way

>>103278868
I bought snapback and the couple times I've used it so far it i didn't really like it but I don't think I picked the right sounds.

I woke up from a dream after a sad day with a melody in my head so now I think I’m ready to write a death note song but I’m scared man what if it’s bad I waited so long

>>103289194
I think you could make the vocal quiter and sit better. Or make the reese louder, just the mids not the bass.

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>randomly got recommended chud andrew huang by youtube
t-thanks

>>103295769
most people are totally inept, have inadequate monitoring and/or listening ability, don't have a single clue about analog distortion etc, a mixing/mastering engineer can take almost any brainlet musicians recordings and process the sound so it's more or less up to professional standards

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZKCpI49iL4
this must give genelec anon an aneurysm

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=V2RAdlc20GA