VRAM doesn't matter.

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>>103596031
is there any difference between these two?
The build you guys recommended me a while back says to get the one on the left (green frame) its NOT on amazon (i know i can buy elsewhere) and the one on the right is on amazon so its a quicker and easier purchase for me. they seem very similar and im retarded

>>103596092
right looks like a v2 cost optimized version for profitmaxxing

>>103596092
>>103596114
The Evo has smaller, shittier fans and a a smaller heatsink.

>>103596092
right probably is boosted 10-50mhz more out of the box which doesn't mean anything

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>>103596092
just avoid zotac and MSI

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>>103596090
>VRAM doesn't ma... ACK!

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>>103596092
>>103596141
>>103596201
But how is the right one otherwise then? any recommendations for better one? willing to splurge a bit more money
This is my build, (I was already told not to buy windows and a sound card, they are just there cos its a screenshot)
Btw is everything compatible?
I ordered most parts already, just need to get motherboard and video card
Thanks

>>103596288
i meant left one, the one without the shitty fans

Is an A770 worth it for £120?

>>103596246
what's worng with MSI? I have one of their motherboards and it's rock solid.
>>103596288
It's a 4070, it probably doesn't matter. I'd pay $30 more for the non-Evo. If it's cheaper by $30 or more I'd get the Evo.
>buying windows
Unless you actually need Windows 11, then get a Windows 10 IOT LTSC iso and use MAS to activate it, it has security support until 2032. Spend the $140 on an Arctic Freezer 3 AIO or upgrading to a 4070 TI.

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>>103596090

>>103596258
The way it's meant to be paid

>>103595097
Reconnect gpu cable to both gpu and psu, maybe even try different cable
Plug gpu in another pci slot if your motherboard has it

>>103596320
>Windows 10 IOT LTSC iso and use MAS
what the hell is that

>>103596258
>>103596333
what games/applications are these? i have a 16gb card and can only really max my shit out if i run like 3 or 2 games at once

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>>103596258
no game shoulduse over 10gb of vram

>>103596358
Unreal Engine / RE Engine
Applications known for vram leaks

>>103596346
It's windows 10 without all the garbage microsoft inserts into regular windows. It's meant for "stability" focused installs like you might want in a hospital, chemical plant etc.
https://rentry.co/LTSC
Read the introduction section
ignore the shit about debloating/optimise offline/msmg toolkit, it's already debloated enough.
download the iso, use rufus to make a bootable USB stick, copy over your important drivers like graphics, network (if you need it), chipset. then install it as normal.
then use this (method 1 with the powershell script for HWID) to activate it
https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

>>103596246
Why?

>>103596420
I get why such a guide exists, but I legitimately do not have the time to do all this

>>103596432
>Zotac
shitty fans made that expiereince first hand
>msi
shitty in general

>>103596361
I want higher quality textures, ray tracing and frame gen etc all things that use vram

>>103596625
Older games used less then 10GB in storage total and look nearly as good as modern games
also
>frame gen
Why do you want that?
These frames are worthless
Thats totally worthless, atleast upscaling can be somewhat decent, frame gen is 100% useless

>>103596298
Really? No-one?

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>>103596090
On average, for gaming, it doesn't
Reconstruction > performance > VRAM for general gaming
Generally speaking, cards have enough VRAM for their performance. Cards like the 4060 aren't really that great for new games because they can't even render 1080p without massive settings reduction, and while DLSS Quality at 1080p is a lifesaver for a poorfag, it's obviously not the first option like it is at 1440p or 4K. Basically the principle is that a card will be too weak for its intended purpose by the time its VRAM becomes a real problem

>>103596288
At that price, you should get the Gaming X Slim
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JJZXsY/msi-gaming-x-slim-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-rtx-4070-super-12g-gaming-x-slim
But really you should wait a couple of weeks for the 5070. It'll be faster than the 4070 Super, probably for the same price. It also might have some DLSS4 exclusive feature

>>103596298
Eh, maybe for some specific workload

>>103596358
>what games/applications are these?
Even the 4090 had an out of memory issue in Jedi Survivor because the program is trash. And of course you can apply settings like Supreme in the new Indiana Jones and break cards for no reason

>>103596639
depends on the game alot of new games can look great some look shitty

going from 80-144fps by using frame gen on TLOU part 1 is an objectively better experience

>>103596670
Until you move your mouse

>>103596298
yes

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>>103596677
nu uh

>>103596298
If you do some video encoding and video editing then yeah dude, that's a steal

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>>103596625
>I want higher quality textures, ray tracing and frame gen etc
I agree, but I don't think brute force with hardware is the way to go. Why should I have to foot the bill for developer incompetence? If you give devs more hardware, they'll just haphazardly use it. I thank god for the Series S every time I think about it

>>103596639
>frame gen
>These frames are worthless
Nope, you can get around CPU limits like in MSFS. 60 FPS is shit smoothness and shit latency, while 120 FPS with FG is decent fluidity with shit latency, so I'll take smooth shit over shit shit every day

>>103596704
in it's current state TLOU part 1 looks amazing on ultra everything at 1440p using frame gen and upscaling and it only uses about 10-11gb vram which in my opinion is a reasonable amount for how the game looks

B580 restock in UK doko? I thought the new shipments arrived yesterday.

>>103596670
That depends on your monitor.
The only way it will look better, is on a shitty LCD monitor that needs high fps for good motion.
On good monitors even 60fps looks perfectly smooth.
60fps on my iiyama looks smoothern then 144fps on your shitty lcd

>There are unscrupulous people that intentionally raise their VRAM speed high enough to be unstable, causing the bench to become corrupted, but still keep running. This can greatly increase the score. This is why HWBot (benchmark competition site) requires ECC On for the 40 series GPUs now.

Nvidia cheating not only in benchmarks but crashing in games

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>>103596090
Also keep in mind pic related

>>103596704
>smooth shit over shit shit every day
60fps is perfectly smooth on my Monitor

>>103596727
unfortunately for you, your deluded fantasy can be shattered with a high speed camera and the UFO test

>>103596740
60 FPS is a slideshow for me
After you're used to 120+ FPS, can't really think 60 FPS is good anymore

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>>103596740
60fps cuck

>>103596739
pointless comparison when nvidia >8gb starts at $450

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>buying Nvidia GPU

>>103596724
CCL has them restocked now but they upped their pricing from £269.99 for the ASRock Steel Legend and Sparkle Titan to £299.99 and the ASRock Challenger from £259.99 to £279.99.
https://www.cclonline.com/pc-components/graphics-cards/intel-arc-b580-graphics-cards/

Overclockers have mentioned that they're shipping to the preorderfags first. Don't get anything from Amazon

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>>103596758
>comparing equal vram is pointless
The 3060 12 GB is $270 in the USA if you're a muh VRAM obsesser

>>103596766
Jesus Christ how can a dev implement this and call it okay

>>103596774
b580 is $250 and 40% faster though

>>103596741
>high speed camera and UFO test
Thats CRT home turf lol
Your 144hz lcd stands no chance
>>103596748
>>103596755
60fps on lcd =/= 60fps on a good monitor
60fps on my monitor is like 1000fps on yours

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>>103596783
Incompetence. Also anon >>103596766 is a known /pcbg/ liar who likes to represent FSR and TAA as DLSS, or use DLSS in its Performance or Ultra Performance modes to pretend that that's the standard experience

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I'm looking for a USB switching hub to share mouse/keyboard/usb audio across different PCs at the press of a button or remote.

Does anyone make such a device where all ports are on the back side?
I want to mount it to my desk so the buttons are accessible but having cables come out the front and back makes for a very messy and unmanageable setup. I realize if the USBs were all tiny wireless dongles that wouldn't be an issue, but I'm plugging wired peripherals in so I want all the ports on the read of it.

>>103596768
>£269.99 for the ASRock Steel Legend and Sparkle Titan to £299.99
Motherfuckers

>>103596797
>>103596774
i am genuienly asking this:
Are you a paid shill?
You are in every one of these threads shilling DLSS
I have a hard time believing you are doing it for free

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>>103596797
DLSS still looks shit

>>103596817
he has been doing it for (as far as I am aware) several months now, he is very easy to spot as he typically uses GameGPU to show perf charts and usually replies to several posts at a time

I am honestly impressed with the level of shilling he does, doing it nearly every day like it's his job or something

>>103596817
https://web.archive.org/web/20130915125814/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products
https://web.archive.org/web/20130915143001/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/nvidias-perez-they-act-as-our-voice
>Did Nvidia Hire Online Actors to Promote Their Products?
>About a week ago, The Consumerist stumbled upon claims made by various gaming websites that graphics chip manufacturer Nvidia, in cooperation with the Arbuthnot Entertainment Group (AEG), had seeded various gaming and PC hardware enthusiast sites with pro-Nvidia shills. That is to say, that AEG would hire employees to create ‘personas’ in various gaming communities, slowly building up the trust of other members by frequent posting unrelated to Nvidia, to later cash in that trust with message board postings talking up the positive qualities of Nvidia’s products.
>>103596836
>he has been doing it for (as far as I am aware) several months now
several years

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>>103596819
I know you dont want it to be true
but 25 year old office monitors are better then your brand new gayming LCD
sorry

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>>103596784
>backpedaling
I thought you said more than 8 GB VRAM on an Nvidia card starts at $450? The B580 is about like a 4060 in raw performance, so maybe 20% faster. But the B580's drivers are far worse, and in terms of games from the last five years, XeSS has much less integration (as XeSS is relatively new)

>>103596817
>for free
You're here too, your power level is just lower, which is why you're amazed that someone can post a few graphs

And then you have schizos like >>103596848 who point to rumors from 2006

>>103596836
>>103596848
>several months now
hes been around since 2019 or so

>>103596848
I mean if I was paid to shill Nvidia products on forums I would honestly lol

>>103596860
yes the point is you either get no vram, or they cuck you with no gpu performance. get fucked.

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>>103596828
Better than TAA (forced in most modern games unless you use DLSS or XeSS), which is in turn better than muh native

>>103596862
Longer than that, I just don't have images from pre-2019 easily available

Technically speaking nvidia cards are actually pretty good since Maxwell.
But the drivers leave a lot to be desired. And the brand is stigmatized.

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>>103596860
I have an Nvidia GPU and I dont use DLSS because its shit
Fuck TAA

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less for more

>>103596889
i wish i was selling xx50 cards for triple the market value too

>>103596886
They're the same tsmc cards as AMD but with locked down firmware and proprietary crap like CUDA.

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>>103596881
>Better than TAA (forced in most modern games unless you use DLSS or XeSS), which is in turn better than muh native
DLSS forces TAA
its a comparison of shit vs shit
>>103596886
The drivers are the reason I bought my 4070super desu
I had major driver issues with my old radeon card
idgaf about AI nonsense, I just dont want to deal with drivers nonsense

>>103596881
what motivates you to post on /pcbg/ to shill so much?
is it just 4chan or do you have multiple sites you shill on simultaneously?

genuinely curious

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>>103596872
>no vram
I would like Nvidia cards to come with more VRAM as well, but that's a bit of a stretch. And I'm seeing that 8 GB on Geforce is worth 16 GB on Radeon, at least to a muh VRAM obsesser

And if you really want 12 GB or more of VRAM, Nvidia is the cheapest
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#xcx=0&sort=price&P=12884901888,51539607552&page=1
And don't forget Nvidia's VRAM is actually useful, not only for gayming, but also for Blender, generative AI, etc.

>>103596886
Nvidia isn't stigmatized (except by narrative promoting AMDrones in /pcbg/), and their drivers are the best of all three GPU venders. There can always be improvements

>>103596914
I sold my 4070 ti super due to all the Windows driver issues and Nvidia is worse at Linux drivers than AMD.

>>103596871
one day he will be replaced by a LLM
>>103596917
i think jensen hired one guy to troll 4chan, i've seen him on other boards
we aren't worth more than that sadly
there's also the boilerplate "why can't AMD compete in the GPU market" threads but OP never responds in those so probably just a bot

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>>103596940
so far i have had a good experience
But I am ready to give Radeon another shot if they have a competitive offer in a few years.
I really dont care about DLSS or framegen since I use a CRT, so I preffer raw performance

>>103596956
I got a 6950xt over a year and a half ago now because it was ridiculously cheap at the time and came with a full priced game, I expected much much worse from the drivers but I have not any issues in actual use other than in one driver version game clips audio would be out of sync but that was fixed in the next driver version so I really don't know why people say they are unstable these days

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>>103596917
>just 4chan
I mostly post in /pcbg/. I like the image board format. As you can see I almost always have a pic related

>>103596940
No you didn't

>>103596976
Not just about stability, although that's better on Geforce as well

>>103596990
Can you incorporate this into your shilling? It highlights the single threaded dx11 driver. Use web.archive.org to view.
http://overclock.pl/articles/show/id/660,8,13,wydajnosc-po-podkreceniu-zestawienie-zbiorcze-gtx-780
http://overclock.pl/articles/show/id/660,9,13,wydajnosc-po-podkreceniu-zestawienie-zbiorcze-r9-290x

notice how he doesn't deny that he's a shill?
I just found that interesting

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Looks like the filter is working kek

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>>103596031

Looked what arrived g, does it look legit? Motherboard that's coming is 2nd hand asus rog strix x670e-e i got for 200 shipped, just need memory now, any suggestions and a new cooler cause I can't find am4 bracket that ships from the US for an artic freezer ii

Modern gaming be like:
>Noisy gaytracing
>blurry resolution
>fake framerates
All thanks to jewvidia, thanks Jensen.

>>103597058
oh nice is that flagging the image files?

>>103597072
Yes:

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have you guys had laptops? I'm thinking about switching from laptop to pc but scared it would suck because I would have to necessary sit on a chair to even browse internet. right now I spend most of my free time on a bed with my laptop, can't imagine spending so much time sitting when I'm already have a job where I sit all day. plus you can't take your pc to another room

>>103597071
Also since Nvidia cares more datacenters, the gamer (consumer) drivers suffer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOmu78qL9Co

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>>103596858
What is it with CRT retards being needlessly obnoxious and usually obsessed with tranime, per the picture?

>>103597105
just do both and build a nice home network with plex, steam remote play, etc

>>103597105
What if your mom let you keep your laptop even if you had a desktop

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>>103597015
Brutal. Those links seem to be a gold mine, I'll pick them apart. This is DX9

>>103596783
Devs are browns theese days.

>>103597131
Is mostly part of the competency crisis, boomer devs have been pretty outspoken on how neo-devs don't know jack shit about optimization or how computer systems actually work at the low level.

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>>103596914
>DLSS forces TAA
No, it replaces TAA, just like XeSS
Better than TAA, which is better than other types of AA

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>>103597071
>blurry resolution
Better image quality than TAA (which is forced) on average and faster on average

>>103597070
>>103597070
I hate being poor how are you guys able to afford a 9800x3d in the first place?

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>>103597071
>Noisy gaytracing
Complain about RT all you want, but it's better than what it replaces

>>103597070
look for corsair's 2x16gb, 2x32gb or 2x48gb kit of 6000 cl30-36-36-76 ram

>>103597046
Of course he is an unironic shill, they have always existed, when I used to browse forums like overclock.net there was 1 or 2 nvidia fanboys shilling 24/7.

He is currently replying to one of my posts but I have already filtered all his shitposts, just filter and ignore.

>>103596889
>4070ti is actually a 4060ti with 100% markup
>4080 is actually a 4070 with 140% markup
>4090 and 4080 performance wise were so far ahead of the competition nshittia didn't even need a 4080/90ti or 100% die
wew

>>103597105
just make a sff

>mobo arrived before Christmas
>cpu arriving after Christmas

Paranoia is setting in. What if the mobo is busted and I won't know till after the return period

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>>103597198
no.
DLSS is temporal just like TAA
its the same dogshit
>TAA is better
TAA is dogshit compared to other MSAA

>>103597359
if you bought it new it should have a warranty

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Hello anons, do you guys know any youtuber or tech website who has tested the new B580 with a 5600g? I need a GPU to play this unoptimized game

>>103597414
Look up B580 pcie 3

>>103597121

they can't afford new tech, and instead of admitting this (there's no shame in being poor, but there is shame in being ashamed to be poor) they LARP that their piece of shit old monitor is somehow superior. it's cope and delusion

Anyone mind explaining to me how to read my Crystal Disk info shit?

Had my PC now for around a year. Always get a little paranoid when my percentages drop but these seem kinda normal?

I have no idea what to make with the data below though (been a few error log entries on the D drive?). My C drive is ticking down quicker (quicker being used "Loosely") because I imagine my drive that holds my OS will have way more read/writes to it.

Is everything looking all good? Again, PC is a little over 1 year old (got it around september of last year iirc)

>>103597470
yes it looks perfect from the picture you attached to your post

>>103597483
Use hwinfo it translates it into human readable data

>>103597483
thanks for your serial numbers, I will now scam samsung and crucial for an RMA

>finally bite the bullet and start up Stalker 2 after the latest patch
>peak unrealslop, everything is smearing, 3090 is brought to its knees, 40fps on 1440p ultra no upscaling
>barely 60fps on dlss quality
>spend 30 minutes tweaking Engine.ini and Input.ini
>atleast in the wilderness i now have 60fps
>still can't unsee small objects flying around dragging an upscaling trail
I fucking hate modern gaming

>>103597519
Gotta thank Jensen for ruining modern gaming.

>>103597441
Thanks anon, seems like I'tll be "fine" as long as my mobo has Rebar(which it has)

>>103597222
>>103597222

House is paid off, I don't pay car payments or have any big bills so I have money to spend every 2 or 3 years on pc upgrades.last system was 12700k, gonna sell on feebay for 200 or let someone have it for cheap. But I'm not rich
either, only for a 4070ti super for example.

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I think I'm going to upgrade r5 2600 to 5600 and keep using my comfy PC instead of spending a lot of money on a new one.
Opinions?

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>>103597500
>>103597510
Hwinfo makes it seem like nothings wrong, gonna assume the percentages mean fuck all then

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>>103597612
I don't mean the sensors window, the regular window.

>>103597591
Should go with at least the 5700X, those four extra threads can come in handy.

>>103597591
Get a 5700x3d, it's the best upgrade you can get for AM4.

What is a good ultrawide monitor brand? I'm looking to get something around 34''.

>>103597662
>>103597673
I'm not sure my pcie3/b450 motherboard "deserves" more than 5600.

>>103597591
Whilst the jump in lowered system latency is very nice, I think you'd be better off to get a 5700x to get 2 more cores and keep using your pc very comfortably for many more years
but if you only gayme, according to this kikestralian there's barely any difference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTaaU12mElM

>>103597700
The 5700X is a 65w SKU, it should run just fine on it.

>>103597700
the best you can slot in is a 5800x3d but those arent made anymore so next best is 5700x3d.

>>103596766
that's just your monitor dude

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What is the expected price drop for the 40 series when 50 releases?

>>103596543
I have seen some warzone pros that use DLSS but most of the time such things aren't even included in settings breakdowns, nor have we ever heard this software touted by pros. Good enough for me.

>>103597222
I'm just frugal about anything outside of my hobbies and wants.

>>103597847
negative $200

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>>103597622
how do you have all that info?

Mine only shows me

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>>103597733
>that's just your monitor dude

>>103597847
last gen x3ds was supposed go down in price but they only went up.

>>103597952
I'm still mad

>>103597935
bro we can't se anything
good game btw

>>103597969
7800x3d competes for the same io die and substrate as the 9800x3d, and it also uses expensive 5nm wafers so it makes sense that they cut production of it
i doubt it will happen again with zen6 where it'd use its own packaging and be on a far more expensive node so they will have reason to keep the 9800x3d around for a while

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>>103597694
Not really about the brand, more about the model
You either go OLED
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=7,9&F=355600000,889000000&D=240000,540000&sort=price&r=344001440
or punt with an IPS like the M34WQ. There are no good VAs in that form factor from what I've seen

>>103597935
Looks like a problem with software Lumen, maybe in conjunction with upsampling. There's no hardware accel. Lumen in Stalker 2. What settings are you using?

>>103597847
>>103597952
Isn't this because the stock is gone and production of the newer and more expensive part has been prioritized?

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>>103597015
Made a few concise benchmarks, starting with >>103597127

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>>103596031
Can I air cool a 7950x just fine? If not I'll get a 9950x since I'd be liquid cooling either way and might as well get marginally better performance.

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>>103597015
4/6

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>>103597015
5/6

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all gpus that break the 100fps require ptm 7950 or you're getting scammed by aibs

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>>103597015
6/6

>>103598064
no problem.
Liquid cooling is an absolute meme, a big air cooler can provide the same level of cooling without degrading over time
Thermalright Phantom spirit is amazing, my HDDs are louder then my i7 under load with it

ooo, my x870e just got a bios update with "Update AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2b, add new option of "Zen5 Gaming Optimizations""

i should prolly turn this on?

>>103597847
>expected price drop for the 40 series
ahahahahha good one dude

I dont really know where else to ask this but do you think a thinkpad x13 can run really basic games like terraria/rpgmaker/basic unity stuff?

MSI MAG B650 tomahawk wifi ~$220
or
Asrock B650 steel legend wifi ~$240
for a 7950x?
Will I regret not getting a board with a pcie5 slot?

>>103596320
remember X570 Gaming Edge fiasco? I'd be avoiding their boards for a while

God i can't wait to get rid of my blowie rx580 when my b580 comes in.

>>103598362
Or the ASUS TUF gaming B650 plus wifi ~$180?

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Thoughts on picrel? First time I ever wanted a case in white. You can't make it out in the pic, but it has the word gaming embroidered on it so I will not be getting it.

Might get the Antex Flux despite disliking the mesh pattern because a case with walnut accents would be in line with my room and I'm too contrarian for the Fractal North. Also the gold on the North is reminiscent of gaudy cheap tech accessories.

There's always something cosmetically wrong and garish with vidya adjacent products.

>>103598362
Steel legend, easily. It has a pcie gen5 slot for the GPU and one M2 ssd

>>103598412
It also costs almost 50% more than the asus. Does pcie5 actually matter?

>>103598439
OF COURSE
THE NEW GPUS ARE ALL PCIE 5.0

>>103596031
Do people really install the aio first and then mount the MB?

>>103598450
pcie is backwards compatible retard and they're not even close to saturating 4.0x16 bandwidth

>>103596800
I've been using Ugreen KVMs for years now, first with just the USB switching and now went with one capable of DP switching as well

it has the separate switch you can place anywhere on a desk, I go for sticking it under desk to hide the lead. a wireless remote would be the only thing they could improve I think.

it does DP 1.4 so it's also capable of some high refresh rates and 4K

look up "UGREEN 8K@60Hz Displayport KVM Switch" on amazon

>>103596288
>$240 for windows + soundcard
>buying 40 series 2 weeks before next gen announcement
is this a bait post?

>>103596320
Not his but my $250 MSI motherboard has had some annoying issues. Monthly crashing and an unforgivable bug that took 2.5 years for them to patch

>>103598465
blah blah blah suck my dick
you will weep when all the new cards are PCIE5

>>103598533
who cares
It's not like Nvidia are gonna announce a card that costs less than $1000 anyway and all AMD is garbage

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Im skipping 50 and 60 series

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>>103598450
Source?
Regardless you don't really have to worry unless you're buying an x8 lane card

>>103596858
The capacitors of my Mitsubishi 2070SB are slowly dying. Can I just solder in new ones, or is there still stored energy?

why is there such a huge price gap for amd cpus?
the last decent one you can get the 9700x is like $340.
the next good one 7800x3d is at $530.
$400-450 would be ideal for me. it just feels like $340 is too low budget and $530 is too much.

i need a new gpu and i feel like going all or nothing. currently have a 4060 and im either gonna upgrade to battlemage or wait until CES and get a 5090. am i retarded? should i just get something like a 4080 instead

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>>103598579
Supply and demand issues
The 7800X3D was at $340 earlier this year

>>103598579
get the 7950x

>>103598574
Is this just an AMD thing? The b580 is only a few frames slower on gen 3 x8.

>>103598573
>Skipping 50 series for 80 series
Based
>>103598579
They stopped making 7800x3d CPUs months ago and demand has been crazy for it since 9800x3ds are frequently sold out and intel retired from the high performance gaming CPU market. I bought my 7800x3d for $355 back in June and it wasn't a one-off since it hit mid low 300s this time last year and in February too.

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>>103598577
If you know how to solder, replace the caps.
Deflection and power supply electrolytics go bad first, start with them.
>stored energy
short the legs with a screwdriver if you are worried
But working on a CRT is very safe if you are carefull
>>103598579
i7 12700k is price performance monster even if 2 gens older

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>>103598613
>Skipping 50 series for 80 series
I like the number 7.
So I will be upgrading from 4070 super to 7070super
And I will wait for super because everything good is super
My monitor Super VGA
So my GPU should be super too

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>>103598580
Really depends on what your goals are and what the rest of your system is. Obviously wait for next gen. The 5080 will likely be nearly 4090 performance for cheaper, probably $1000, but could be $1200

>>103598595
>The b580 is only a few frames slower on gen 3 x8.
Probably because the VRAM isn't getting tax. Spooderman >>103598574 taxes the VRAM of the 7600, and slow transfer bandwidth over PCIe exacerbates the problem >>103596938. Going to be hard to find PCIe scaling benchmarks for the B580 where the VRAM is stressed because games don't generally need 12 GB VRAM and even when they do, it's just barely and you're not going to be swapping data in and out of VRAM much

>>103596797
if you have to slow it down to see it, then who cares

>>103598579
microcenter has the 9700x for $300 and its 320 on amazon

>>103598595
>The b580 is only a few frames slower on gen 3 x8.
I will need to see actual proof of that

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>>103598671

>>103598379
please tell me you had a gtx 580 before that

>>103598579
The 7800X3D current price is inflated because the 9800X3D was a paper launch

AMD Radeon is so dumb. They still had people on Vega/Polaris and Intel finally gave those cheapskates a reason to actually upgrade.

AMD gave them a 6500XT and told them be grateful for it. Then an 7600XT that was total trash. There's not even an explanation for this incompetence.

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>>103598689
No, but thinking about it i've had only x80 GPUs.

1. R9 380x
2. GTX 1080
3. 2080 Super
4. RX 580 (I had to sell my 2080, long story)
5. B580

>>103598724
I was on a 570 untill 2024 and I only upgraded my GPU because I was buying a whole new computer lol
Polaris and Vega are both still fine unless you want to play new AAA slop

>>103598473
So it's just for 2 PCs? I would like 4 but I guess being only two makes switching easier becuse my question beforehand was going to be "How do you switch from #1 to #3 then to #2 if it has a separate switch because most I see tend to be single buttons requiring weird memorization and numerous presses.
Still that's a design with ports on both sides but having a separate thing to switch it does make it easier to hide.

>>103597240
way too busy running away from mr x to notice shit like that

>>103598362
>Will I regret not getting a board with a pcie5 slot?
it's really unlikely to matter for the next 3 years

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>>103598724
>Vega/Polaris
Pic related

>Intel finally gave those cheapskates a reason to actually upgrade
Keep in mind, that despite its release timing, the B580 is more of a competitor to the soon to be last gen products like the RTX 4060 and RX 7600. You're about to see new low end from Nvidia and AMD in a couple of months

>>103598794
the 5060 is gimped out the door and the 8600 will be maybe 10% better than the 7600 and cost more.

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help

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>>103598864
Tab autism never ceases to amaze me, also
>Chinkpera

>>103598864
you need 128gb of ram

>>103598812
Is it going to be 8600 and 8800 and thats it?

>>103598864
>Opera

>>103598864
what's your ram atm?

>>103596031
In the last year or so I keep getting random BSODs everytime I play CoD. I'm sick of it

>>103599063
That's COD's fault. People are "lucky" if they can even install that garbage.

>>103599063
>t. 14900k user

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>>103599063
let me guess, you have 16GB of RAM?

>>103599063
cod is a surprisingly stressful game for your hardware
https://www.ocbase.com
run some stress tests and see if any errors show up
>>103599084
nah it is garbage lmao but if your system is stable the game won't cause BSODs

>>103599007
8600, 8800 and their down-binned variants

>>103599091
8700 non K
>>103599093
I tried everything. It BSODs immediately if I boot in with 32gb, which never happened before. XMP off doesn't help unless I default to my old 16gb kit. I tried 8gbx4, 16gbx2, makes no difference. Driver reinstall. Clean. No background apps. No nothing. All settings very low. Repasting my card and cpu. Cleaning. Reseating cables. Praying. Screaming. I don't know what I'm missing but I've tried it all. Yesterday I switched back to 16gb and it worked okay for a few times and now it's BSODing after I find a lobby.

>>103599113
I'll try that now. Let's see.

>>103599147
memtest

>>103599147
probably RAM related.
on my old PC it would Blue screen every now and again due to running out of RAM
maybe you have RAM issue
try memtest like other anon said

>Mobo / AIO arrived today, days ahead of schedule
It's buildan time

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>>103599113
woah... i can feel the power

>>103596288
Just get the cheaper one out of the two. You're wasting time with this discussion.

>>103598563
>and all AMD is garbage
This coming from an idiot buying a fucking sound card.

Quiet cpu cooler and case fan recommendations?

>>103599237
phantom spirit 120 SE or A720 for cooler
case: lancool 207

>>103599113
No errors detected. It's got to be some bullshit related to my PSU or some other power related inadequacy. I'm upgrading fully very soon, that should put an end to this problem.

How good is the IGPU in the 9800x3d? Will probably have to use it for a month or so while I wait for 5000 series.

>>103599237
>Quiet cpu cooler
Noctua NH-P1
>case fan recommendations
No need for case fans

>>103599334
doubtful... a stress test would easily make your psu buckle if that was the issue. did you test ALL hardware?

>>103599336
exact same as 7000

>>103599334
you only tested for like 20 minutes
1 hour CPU+RAM test
1 hour RAM test
1 hour GPU test
1 hour VRAM test

yes, it takes a fuckton of time, but if you want to be assured your system is fully stable you need to do exhaustive testing

>>103599348
And how good is that one? I'm currently on a 13700kf / 2070 and haven't used an IGPU in forever

>>103599147
Increase memory controller voltage

>>103599362
you cant use the 2070 until then?

>>103599375
I'm giving my current build to my little brother for Christmas and I'd feel bad if I made him wait.

does anyone here actually like ryzen master? i want to like it, but... i dunno. maybe im just old fashioned. or is it just bad?

>>103599397
i would never install that shit
overclocking belongs in the BIOS
monitoring is done much better by tools like hwinfo and afterburner/rivatuner

>>103597015
thanks for enabling the shizo

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Put this together today and I'm a bit worried about that GPU clearance on the cooler. Haven't ordered it yet, and everything I looked up before said there shouldn't be any issues with this motherboard in terms of blocking off slots, but just visually that seems to be cutting it awfully close.

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>>103597700
Every AM4 deserves an X3D

>>103599529
It's time for an upgrade

>>103599548
Nah just waiting for DDR6

>>103599509
Pretty rare for the PCIe to get blocked by coolers. Keep in mind that the very top of the GPU (excluding backplate) is pretty much lined up with the slot itself.

>>103599529
Non 3d is fine

>>103599509
that's a bad angle but if the slot is fully cleared the gpu should be as well

>>103599564
Yeah, I think it'll fit, but they'll be pretty much in contact with each other. There's a good inch between them in my current machine.

>>103599509
I like the mobo.
looks nice

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>>103599575

Putting together a core replacement, how is this?
>MSI mag x670e tomahawk
>9800x3d
>Gskill trident z5 neo 6000mhz cl30 32gb

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how did anime win so hard

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>>103599583
I'll still worry about it until it's in but it looks just about clear from above.

>>103599675
Tranime won , degeneracy won and taste lost

>>103599598
the 9800x3d is a fucking monster.
holy shit how can a cpu be this godlike?

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>>103599675
it's always been a very popular medium
that was just less noticeable to us in the past because we had Western alternatives which all died due to the peak servility of american goylems
personal computers

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>>103599675
>jpg

i ordered a psu on sale on am waiting for other parts to go on sale...

>>103599762
You're not alone, I do the same.

>>103599762
What psu

>>103599784
superflower leadex vii xp pro 1000w

When will usb4 be available on average motherboards? And not just workstation laptops?
I want to share the laptop dock between my work laptop and my matx desktop.

>>103599801
just get a kvm

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>>103599801
it's available now if you buy an x870/e
don't be poor

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Temporal stuff will be always worse compared to native res

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>>103599509
Here's my NH-D15 Chromax LTT and RTX 4090.
Yes, the space between the CPU cooler and GPU that's installed on the first PCIe slot is pretty small. But the NH-D15 doesn't touch the backplate directly.

>>103596031
Why is NZXT cases in avoid?

>>103599350
Alright I'll do that since it's a Sunday but if CoD triggers a BSOD within five minutes surely a small test duration can replicate the same errors

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>>103599898

>>103599374
Even if I've got XMP off? I tried all that earlier and never had a permanent solution so I just gave up and turned all the bells and whistles off. Didn't help much either.

>>103599858
Nice. I'm currently deciding whether I'm willing to blow a chunk of savings on the 5090 when it drops so hopefully the backplate is a similar thickness.

>>103599897
yes, but cod stresses all of your hardware at once
i don't really know of a good way to test this, maybe run the CPU and GPU test simultaneously?

is OLED a meme? i'm tempted to go from my almost 9 year old 27" 1440p 144Hz TN panel to a 34" inch OLED (MSI or Dell)

also do i need Win11 to get full usage out of OLED or can I still stay on Win10?

>>103599873
Jesus said so

>>103599933
Same here, anon. I'm waiting for the benchmarks to drop to see if it's worth it.
My GPU is in an upright position right now, so I'm worried a bit about the length.
My 4090 is 344mm. If it goes any longer than that, I might switch it back to the typical orientation.
I'm sticking with the NH-D15, so I'm also concerned about the thickness of the 5090.
Hopefully, the NH-D15 won't touch the backplate of the 5090

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Recommend me a high end version of this

My old headset broke so I ordered 3 new ones to test, one of them the Hyperx cloud 3. After pulgging it in and installing the software it says theres DTS:X drivers available for better sound but with increased latency. Anyone know if it is worth it, will it cause noticeably latency and is the sound upgrade even that much better?

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>>103600019
Yes but the real meme is HDR

Best SFF mATX case? I'm liking the Lian Li ma3 but i don't like needing to buy a new SFX psu for it.

>>103600019
Not a meme. I came from 24" 1080p TN, 27" 1440p IPS, and then 42" 4K OLED. The difference is night and day.
I have an OLED monitor and TV. I love watching movies with them. It's a visual treat.
No need to switch to Windows 11. I'm on Windows 10 right now with my OLED monitor.

>>103600072
It eats ATX PSUs just fine.

>>103599667
Looks good. What parts will they be replacing?

>>103600071
>>103600087
thx anons, i'm gonna buy the MSI MEG 342C QD 34", it's $600 at MicroCenter

Are ATX normalfags finally waking up to the "2 DIMM slots" superiority that mITXchads have enjoyed for years now?

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Is this better than fake honeywell/laird or same factory in a different package?
Laird is 0.125mm thick but does it actually matter for a CPU?

>>103600329
>"2 DIMM slots" superiority
who cares when 99% of users run 6000-6400mt/s lol
all x870 board can do 8000 nowadays and intelfags have 2dpc atx boards already

>>103596031

I can buy 9800X3D right now but was wondering, will the 9950X3D be faster in gaming compared to the 9800X3D, same, slower? If its the same I might as well just buy a 9800X3D now, feels like prices wont stay like this forever.

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>>103600337
It's a clone so not as good as the real thing in performance and no idea about long term duration. Should still be okay paste though.

>>103600356
it will be the same for most games with the added headache of dealing with game bar to do core parking

>>103600356
>will the 9950X3D be faster in gaming compared to the 9800X3D, same, slower?
it couldn't be considerably faster and most likely will be the same with ccd disabled or slower
we already know it doesn't have double cache so it's whatever, price will be retarded too.

>>103600356
in gaming it will be identical, the margin will be 2-5% better performance, however, it will be much better in production tasks like compiling, decrypting etc...

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>>103596031
Intel Arc A380 worth buying?
It has RT cores can run Indiana, Alan Wake 2.
And it has 6 gig vram can run Stalker 2.
And its cheap.

>>103600329
I was considering mITX for AM5 due to actually affordable 3 m.2 slot motherboards. But I pussied out instead. Maybe next socket.

>>103600225
A 12 year old build is being completely replaced, the gpu to go with the new stuff is a 4080S
Hopefully the case measurements are accurate and it all fits

So if 9800X3D is anything like a 5800X3D they will become limited, because 5800X3D's are rare no? They still go for a good chunk on ebay right now. I think the hold off to 9950X3D is pure cope at this point, if you can find a 9800X3D for MSRP or maybe a small premium, I say go for it.

>>103600417
Only if it's below 100 dollars.

new egg offered me a nice 3.2 64gb flash drive for like 10 dollars or something when I bought a motherboard. Can I use that in my like 7 year old computer to grab windows, or is the flash drive like TOO advanced. There is a 3.0 usb slot on the case.

>>103596090
VRAM does matter actually.

>>103600529
USB is backwards compatible as long as the port has the same form factor

why has ram prices almost doubled the last 6 months?

if only there was games to take advantage of new cpus/gpus. anyone else feel like its all a waste? all the games look like shit thanks to have an umbilical cord to console gaming. progress is being sacrificed because of it.

>>103600498
New costs 147 in the local store.

>>103600589
vulkan takes advantage of your cpus/gpus. everything on linux is vulkan. windows can now wrap around it with dxvk.

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>>103596090
The best answer to these kind of posts is to ask them to rip out the VRAM from their card.

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>>103600337
>>103600388
According to Tom's Hardware, it performs similar to PTM7950 even if igorsLAB's results show large differences in physical properties

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Which one of these is better?

>>103596090
Its DX12 era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAGKJFuVgTw

>>103596092
no diff. both are shit.

>>103600610
Than it isn't worth it. The A380 and 310 are really only good for media encoding. Get the A580 instead, you can get it new on amazon for 170.

>>103596495
what a retard,

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>>103600586
DDR4 has gone up by maybe 50% in the USA. DDR5 is as cheap as its ever been. Maybe DDR4 is going out of production

>>103600589
The CPU performance of most games is quite good. There are a few problems like stuttering (e.g., Dragon's Dogma 2 or the traversal stutter in Unreal Engine) that can't be fixed no matter how good your CPU is. There are a few other games like Stalker 2 that are unoptimized, but but where a better CPU actually substantially lifts the average framerate.

>umbilical cord to console gaming
I think RT would have progressed a lot faster without AMD conslows, but at least devs are forced to optimize their games at least a little bit. Throwing hardware at developers will just leave them asking for more; the have to be forced to work with constraints otherwise you'll get N64 graphics on a 4090

>>103600614
>vulkan
Irrelevant and retarded interjection. Do you even know which post you replied to?

>>103600696
>A580 instead, you can get it new on amazon for 170
Probably not worth

>>103600668
phantom spirit for sure

>>103600710
It's better than the a380 which is what the Anon wanted.

>>103600710
>DDR5 is as cheap as its ever been.
Not around here it isn't. Most kits are up 50% at least since summer

>>103600660
the real test is the durability test. need to see all those pastes results after one year instead of one day.

>>103600019
OLED is not a meme
34" ultrashorts are memes, and most likely you are looking the older gen panels with bad text rendering and worse subpixels

>>103600294
above

>>103600356
9950x3d is doa, non advisable, sir
refer to the rulebook of ryzen

>>103600706
don't act like you have win 10 LTSC IoT installed.

>>103597222
get a job, faggot.

i will just buy the 9950x3d anyway. will only not buy it if the 9800x3d outperforms in like... at least 75% of games

>>103600762
correct, I don't. I use linux.

>>103600797
wish I could use linux for my job

>>103600808
be the change you need. btw I use linux at job too.

>>103597070
>getting your LGA pads all oily

I've currently got 2x8 gb clocked at 2666 mhz on and am4 motherboard. Is it worth it to upgrade to 32gb clocked at 3200 mhz (motherboard wont support any higher) when the dims will cost me roughly $50. Two monitor setup with a youtube video or light work going on the second screen.

>vulkan
https://youtu.be/k2SBZSm2mOw?si=hjXsecZVDRdGxgE1&t=1279

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>>103597222
I give anesthesia and have 0 loans so I don't have a budget. Life is good

>>103600668
With one fan.

>>103600782
only works if you gonna lasso your entire os

>>103600925
if you are running x3d it wont matter

>>103597222
money is literally free (and also fake) lmao just go out and get it

>>103599598
All I see is my 4 year old (bought 1 month ago) cpu is as fast as zen 5

if i get a new mobo will my old ddr4 ram still work on it until i feel like upgrading?

>>103600987
if the new mobo isnt ddr4, then no, lol

I have an i9 10900f currently. I'm thinking of upgrading to the 9800X3D, will I miss those two cores? I don't really do a lot of productivity tasks but for when it occasionally comes up, will the raw power of this CPU's 8 cores matter more than having two more on an older CPU?

Is it worth upgrading from 12700k to 9800x3d? I have a 4080 gpu

>>103601034
those 8 cores are going to outperform the 10 cores on your 10900F
hell you will probably get outperformed by a 5700X on some workloads

>>103601056
I guess that makes sense. Now that I think about it, I bought my 10900f at a specific moment where it cost about the same as the 5600X for similar performance, since the 5600X was the hot new option but was completely sold out.

>>103601036
if you have to ask the answer is almost always no

>>103601099
tbf I was asking if upgrading a 4770k to a 7950x3d was worth it

Does the radiator of an AIO function like a column of intake fans? I'm looking at the Liquid Freezer III 360mm. Will this plug into a single outlet in the case or will it have three connectors?

>>103601126
the 7950x3d is lopsided and weird

>>103601098
for games it's similar but for multicore it's better than the 5600X
9800X3D will beat all of them up in a dark alleyway

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>>103600710
I still don't understand how a better cpu suddenly makes the gpu spit out more frames.
Will you even notice the difference between a 9700x and a 9800x3d if you don't let your gpu ran at 100% all the time?

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