>News & Rumors
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super. Potentially cancelled, likely q3 if still being released
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
AMD FSR "Redstone" Arrives December 10, Exclusive to Radeon RX 9000 Series

>Product Notice

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

Leave any constructive suggestions for edits to the op. Is slowly being worked on.

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>>107308054
another miku goes in the case!

How long can we expect AM5 to last?

AM4
>2017 - Zen 1
>2019 - Zen 2
>2020 - Zen 3

AM5
>2022 - Zen 4
>2024 - Zen 5
>2026 - Zen 6

>>107308230
We'll probably get a socket change with DDR6 in 2027. If supply is still fucked for anyone that isn't an AI company, 2028.

What did Gamers Nexus mean when he said Nvidia is basically a defense contractor now on HW News?

>>107308343
Who do you think is providing the chips for the AI-powered drones sent out to kill antisemites?

>>107308230
Zen7 is AM5 too isn't it? Or Will AMD change their minds on that?

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Why can't Noctua paint fans white?

>>107308343
Normal scenario : big tech companies invest into ai, models, datacenters and sell the product in hope of making money

Current scenario : AI is an usa national security concern, if China wins aI USA is doomed, USA needs to invest a trillion dollar of tax payer money to ensure the existence of mutts. Nvidia chips are bought with tax payer money by the hundreds of billions. RAM chips need to be bought by usa tax payer money to win AI.

I've found that AppData is taking up nearly 50% of my C: partition. How can I get file explorer to display the size of folder with using rightclick->properties?

>>107308343
Because Brown Shit colored fans is part of the brand identity at this point

>>107308367
Why are you buying Noctua if not for the cosmetics?
Do you just enjoy spending more money for less performance?

>>107308395
meant without using rightclick->properties

>>107308415
Use wiztree to find and clean your shit.
AppData can bloatmax out of control

>>107308167
>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Why would you ever do this?

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>I CANT AFFORD RAM FOR GAMING NOOOOOO!
>meanwhile DDR4 3200mhz 16gb ram is everywhere for $35-45 used

Wow its literally a fucking nothingburger

AM5 is a pointless socket unless you plan to build a $4500 4K Gaming PC which is AM5's entire purpose, if so, you have the money to spend anyways on overpriced $400 RAM.

Why the fuck would you build AM5 when 1080p/4k are the only resolutions.

1440p is a MEME 13 ppi difference for a marginally sharper image which you barely notice.

You either build an AM4 PC for 1080p or you build a $4500 4K gaming PC on AM5, there is no inbetween that you can make an argument for.

>>107308363
motherboard companies will beg amd to make a new socket

>>107308506
>16gb
look at 32gb 3600 prices

>>107308395
appdata is often where games keep their shader cache. You can use SpaceSniffer to visualize which folder in particular is eating up most disk space:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceSniffer

>>107308555
Who cares theres no difference in FPS that matters.

1080p for AM4 is fine
4K for AM5 is fine too, those people will pay the $600 RAM prices.

What is the big deal. I'm sorry you people got scammed on AM5 and didnt stick with AM4 but we play games here at 1080p

If you are too poor to build a $4000 4K gaming PC you should've just stuck with AM4 and 1080P DESU famalam

I'll be upgrading to a 5800X3D+7900XTX in 5 years for sub $500 and it will be delicious

All the good games have already been made.

>>107308506
that memory has nearly half the bandwidth of a typical DDR5 6000 CL30 kit. that's definitely going to make a difference in many cases. like yeah it's usable, but you cannot compare them. there is definitely a massive difference.

>>107308603
Its not a massive difference in FPS. DDR5 is like what 15% at most and thats in some specific games. In most cases on average its 5% at best.

Also we play games here at 1080p144fps. Literally all my games with my 5600X+9070XT just run at 144fps.

People just need to admit they got scammed by 1440p AM5. If you are too poor to build a 4K PC just run back to 1080p, its that simple. Its okay champ, but you'll get there eventually, dont have to pretend to be fake hood rich by spending $2000 on a 1440p PC, That's poverty.

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>>107308593
>>107308618
the 1080p /poorfag/ /gaymer/ cannot imagine a world in which a build is made for anything other than /gayming/

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$46 is 2x what that exact kit cost just 1 month ago btw

just ignore 100% inflation because it's still under $50

what are you poor

it's a nothingburger I tell you

>>107308646
Its okay buddy if you cant afford to spend $4500+ on 4K I can understand you dont have to cope with 1440p.

If you really were rich you'd buy a PC with a 9800X3D+5090 with a 4K OLED monitor

I thought poorfags would be seething the most at price raises but they're the ones coping the most that it's all a nothingburger

>>107308652
Most people who bought AM4 ram are still using their original stickerinos, not my problemo. I will upgrade to a 5800X3D and 7900XTX for cheap and consoooomers will cope.

Why are you complaining anyways, I though /g/ was rich? You cant afford a few extra hundred dollars on a $4000 PC build?

>>107308674
If you dont have a 4K PC with high end specs like a 9800X3D+5090, if that person is you that makes you still poor doebiet because why use anything other than 1080p or 4K.

Theres no reason to

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Opinions on this motherboard? Thinking about adding a high end Ryzen and 5000 series GPU.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/690261/msi-x870e-mag-tomahawk-wifi-amd-am5-atx-motherboard

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>>107308657
>you'd buy
no, i would not, because i have no need for it

>can afford it
>building a low power shitposting box instead
>4k display and all
>need nothing more

>>107308646
NTA, I have been using the same 1080p 144hz monitor since 2016. I will continue using it until it stops working. I have upgraded everything else at least once. 3090 gang.

Is everyone at microsoft fucking retarded? Why does it test output when I select the troubleshooter for input audio?

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its coming

>>107308760
don't worry bro happens all the time just wait 2 years no problem

isnt RAM going to collapse the prices of all other pc components? Nobody is going to be building PCs for months.

>>107308713
it has no problem running 24 core cpus

>>107308815
gaymers stop gayming is as likely as junkies quitting drugs

>>107308823
So you're saying it's good?

>>107308815
amd, intel, mobo manufacturers will suffer as people wont upgrade to a new platform
gpus will still likely sell out because vram is a precious resource and arent restricted to a specific cpu socket/ddr generation combo

>>107308838
anybody who is that addicted already has a system they are gaming on. This is just going to make it impossible to upgrade which then fucks up the entire ecosystem.

>>107308815
It can only collapse if there's an overproduction
They are just going to cut back production
Nvidia/AMD already saying no more low end 16GB graphics cards
and the demand is not dropping from AI startups and other AI facilities
The only things likely to drop are retail CPUs because if there's no ram and no ssds and no GPUs then nobody will be buying CPUs because only gamers buy these things to begin with

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>>107308740
intredasting, like you're stuck on some sort of superiority complex

>would never be able to do any real work on a 1080
>my 60hz 32" 4k IPS BenQ has served me well since 2015, still /works/, looks fantastic
>just got my new 120hz IPS 32" Dell UltraSharp, looks better than the old one because HDR and IPS panel tech improved, has nice Thunderbolt ports and all that crap
>not sure wat do with the old one, don't need a dual 4k setup
>still have my old 2019 24" 1440 HP DreamColor as a vertical sidecar but will retire that too with the new build (dunno what to do with that, either)
>can afford whatever, anon, i just don't have a use case for a 1080 display or another workstation class PC
>you do you

You just have to learn when to upgrade you have to do it before your hardware is obsolete on its last legs.

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bwos, I have a question. My 5060ti 16gb comes tomorrow. I have a 1070 right now. Can I still keep my 1070 plugged in at the same time and use it to display my monitor that i play streams and videos on? while dedicating my 5060ti to gaming only on my main monitor? I'm so excited for tomorrow

>>107308912
it will work but you may want to do some testing to see if it affects your performance

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>>107308167
How reliable is Walmart for SSDs? I found one that is ~30 bucks cheaper than everywhere else, says "sold and shipped by Walmart." Do I just pull the trigger right now or is Walmart not trustworthy?

>>107308912
make sure the pcie slot you are putting the new gpu is able to run in atleast x8 mode with the 1070 in another slot.

>>107308815
I don't need to upgrade anyway. Just wish my 10 years old GPU stay strong.

>>107308912
check your mobo manual, some might disable certain m2 slot or split the pcie lanes

what does it matter if the lane is split the 5060ti is only pcie 5.0x8 anyway

>>107308912
the primary gpu would have harder time sucking in air with another gpu under it, so you probably see slight increase in noise levels

How can I be sure a PSU is failing?

>>107308932
Thanks bwo, maybe i will keep it simple tomorrow and just use the 5060ti at first to make sure it's working well. My 1070 is just still so nice, that I want to still use it in some way that's helpful.
>>107308953
>>107308964
Thank you bwos, I will make sure before I try it!!
>>107308969
Good point, thanks bwo!!

I have an incredibly stupid question

if I upgrade to a 1440p 27" monitor from a 23" 1080p can I tile more runescapes on the screen and still see shit? on linux?

if I just want more runescapes and to be big so I can see it all at once, should I get a 32"? I'm hard of seeing/bisexual and I want fast response time 120+hz ips? can it play other games just like, set to 1080p but stretched big? does that look ass?

27 or 32 inch, 1440p or 4k? what get? I can't have oled because I tile my windows and my runescapes are in the same spot all day for months-long uptimes and it'll burn it

budget $500CAD

>>107308973
swap it out with another one and see if the problem persists. if its dead you stick a paperclip in it to check. If you dont have another psu then you have to do some pain in the ass trouble shooting.

>>107308973
You can check voltages in HWMonitor at idle and under load so see whether they're in spec.

>>107308815
What' we'll see is a push for 8GB memory as enough and Windows will probably have to push for a high performance mode with browser companies swapping to their own version of WebGPU (backend runs on vram rather than system ram). Regardless i do expect Consumer CPU's price to finally crash, Mobos can probably react on time and reduce supply and ride the wave but CPU's production are scalled way too big already for it to be able to endure this, at least thats my cope.

>>107309013
>>107309017
thanks. I don't have another PSU so I'll try what you suggested and report back.

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Thank you anons for the help.
The sodimm runs at 4800 now, as I'm scared of going lower than jedec

How bad is the price hike?

>AI GPU
>AI Memory
>AI CPU
I fucking hate this AI shit.

>>107309000
Just plug two screens or more, one for serious games the other for other shit, put your runescape on your 1080p screen.

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This my current build and was looking at upgrading my case and GPU
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcN2HW

I liked the overall design and possible amounts of fans in the Antec C8 Wood

From looking at reviews, it seems that the 9070xt is the better choice but wanted to ask if the 5070ti gave any advantage ? I was gonna go with the Challenger Radeon RX 9070 since it's the cheapest right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/znKB8Q

>>107309031
from
>i might consider upgrading from am4 to am5 if there's good deals in nov/dec
to
>see you in 2027 bucko

>>107308864
bait used to be believeable.

>>107308912
no.

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RAM I was considering buying like 6 months ago has gone from 200 dollars to 700 dollars, jesus fucking christ.

I wanted to treat myself to a black friday thing and go from 32 GB to 64 GB DDR5 what the FUCK happened and is there any chances prices are going to go back to being reasonable sometime soon?

>>107308912
You should be able to do so but as the other anons said just check your mobos specifications so the 5060 TI and your nvme 2 ar running at proper speeds. Make sure you heavily undervolt/power limit both cards if your system is not stable and it should be fine

>>107309114
>>107309104

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>>107309114
I got a single stick of 32gb 5600 mhz with CL36 for $99 from a local retailer just when the prices went retarded and i dont even own or can afford an am5 system (was planning on building one next year), right now that stick is already $200 on all the other local retailers, i'm hoping this gets to the moon if i ever get the chance to sell it for $1000 i'll probably just sell it buy some used ddr4 ram and rebuild an old am4 system that i use as a secondary pc, hoping to either use the ram to secure an OLED, a cheap 3xd cpu or straight up buy something like a 6070 or 5070 ti super depending how the vram is looking for the next geforce series

>>107309143
>>107309122
shit like this can't be legal right

>>107309147
there used to be laws to prevent this shit as it can be artificially manipulated.

>>107309147
>>107309156
heres why its not being enforced
>>107295262

TLDR; FUCK THE GENERAL CONSUMER (You)

>>107309114
Heh, my entire 5700X3D/64GB DDR4-3600/GTX 1080 Ti build isn't $700.

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i forgot to peel the plastic off the base of my cooler

if DDR5 prices dont come down what are the odds that AMD start producing some 5800x3d/5700x3d again, its not like they are not making regular 5800x or 5700x anymore

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Boughted for $300 in July

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>If you use the standard new "midrange" sku parts, a midrange PC now costs almost $2000 Canadian after shipping and tax
Holy shit lmao, I had no idea things have gotten this bad.

>>107308395
Windows or Linux?

Looking to get some monitor arms but my desk isn't overly deep, does anyone have some suggestions?
Thinking of doing a double and then a single so I can space my 3 screens exactly how I want it

>>107309253
>4800 CL40
Big oof
It's truly over when you have to resort to that.

I literally only have 1 stick of ram rn because 1 fell out of a truck and the distributor won't get another shipment till 2 more weeks
I'm crashing out bros

>>107309325
makre sure you put it on the 2nd slot bro, ddr5 is not nearly as bad as ddr4 using single channel so it will not be as bad

>>107309347
Bro just imagine the 1% lows with single channel ram

>>107309253
Actually nvm, I'm realizing how much I paid for my midrange PC and it was pretty similar to what it was 5 years ago

I did buy the parts at launch though

>2 tiny sticks are more expensive than many monitors
What the fuck...

>>107309364
is not as bad bro check this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr6p1tqeM3M

>>107309253
>Wi-fi adapter when so many motherboards have integrated ones now

>>107309387
Integrated wifi is trash

>>107309376
Isn't 32gb dual rank doe?
It would be a single channel single rank for me since it's only a single 16gb

>>107309392
It's not 2005 anymore

>>107309411
Yeah its gonna be worse but it will also be down to a game and resolution, nothing as nearly as bad or unplayable unlike ddr4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nMu1KFkOC4

>>107309253
How many times do I have to say this

AM5 is not for the midrange
It is for 4K gaming only and richfags

If you want affordability you'd build a ryzen 5500+9060xt for $580 on AM4 to play whatever game you want at 1080p

Ideally a used AM4 PC you can build for $300 with a 5700xt and repaste it yourself

>>107309392
Surely integrated Wi-Fi is better than a dongle? A friend of mine overspent on MOBO because he insisted that built-in BT/Wi-Fi has to be better than using a dongle.
He should just run an ethernet cable through the wall, but that's besides the point. He still lives with his parents (like me), but unlike my parents, his are aesthetic maniacs and will never allow cables under the carpet in the hallway. Unlike mine which helped me drill the hole and run the cable some 7 years ago, because it was cheaper than going wireless.

>>107309460
yes internal m.2 wifi is better than a usb dongle

>>107309114
Memory makers are guaranteeing a December 2026 shipping date to retailers for any orders placed today so we're just getting started

>>107309459
That's only for extreme poorfags. A real midrange PC in 2025 shoud look something like
>Ryzen 5 7500F or 9600/X
>32 or 64 GB DDR5-6000 (god bless your soul if you didn't buy 3 months ago)
>RTX 5060 Ti or RTX 5070 or RX 9070 (Linuxfag)
>2TB Samsung NVME
>650, 750 or 850W PSU
>Dual-Tower air cooler
I got mine with R5 9600, 5070, 32GB, 850W Be Quiet PSU, Be Quiet CPU cooler, and 2TB 990 Evo Plus, for 1400 euro a few months ago.
Much better deal than the i5-10400F, 16GB DDR4, 240GB SATA SSD + 1TB WD HDD, GTX 1660 Super, PC that I bought back in 2020 for 1000 euro.

>>107309511 (me)
Also accounting for inflation in my country, the two computers cost the exact same amount of money (141% consumer prices vs 2020), and the new one allows me to play any game I want at 1440p high or maxed out, while the 1660S already struggled with select late-2020 and early-2021 releases like Cyberpunk, despite clearly being positioned as a solid midrange PC with a xx60 tier GPU.

>tfw only play dota and deadlock and dont need a powerful pc
feels good man

>>107309548
Specs?

>>107309548
I 'member when DOTA2 struggled to find a playerbase initially because League ran on literally anything (Intel GMA 950/3100 tier) while DOTA2 demanded a dedicated GPU with full proper DirectX 9 and pixel shader support.

>>107309459
Right but the way they name their products oriented towards the desktop market is they break up target consumers by number

<6 budget
6 = midrange
7 = upper midrange/premium midrange
8 = enthusiast
9+ top of the line

Nvidia
4050/4060/4070/4080/4090
Intel
13100/13400/13500/13600/13700/13900
AMD
7500/7600/7700/7800/7900/7950
Radeon
7400/7600/7700/7800/7900

So how it worked in the past is that if you were going for a midrange PC there would always be value at the 6-7 spot. Now the market is just fucked because they are expecting "midrange" PC's to cost almost $2000

I may have a very dumb question.
My current PC has;
>G.Skill 16GB (2x8GB), Ripjaws V, DDR4 3200MHz, CL16

And seeing how much I struggle with RAM lately, I checked and they still sell those sticks.
Now, what happens to performance by using 4 sticks like that in my mobo (never used more than dual channel)? I get up to 32gb RAM, but, how much does performance really improve, if at all? Besides just having RAM itself more which is nice(?)

>>107309000
>I'm hard

bigger is better (with font scaling for poor eyesight to help see) but 1080 on a 32" looks like ass for text, probably fine for runescape and other /gaymes/

might be hard to find a good 32 for 500 leafbucks though

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>>107309018
>is a push for 8GB memory as enough

>>107309583
if you aren't running out of ram, it won't matter much
if you're running out of ram, it will speed things up a lot

>>107309583
I doubt it would make a meaningful improvement
It didn't for me tbqh, same ram specs

>>107309099
kek i have three decades worth of PC tech all over the place

>time to downsize the pile of crap

>>107308676
Please tell me where you can get cheap 5800X3D. Because I need one too.

790€ for a 5070 ti or 574€ for a 9070xt for gaming? no fanboy shit

>>107309588
8GB is enough if you tell devs to optimize their games but they won't do that

>>107309607
If you're running linux it's better to get AMD
If you're running windows nvidia has a better feature set

I don't know which of these cards has more raw compute

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>>107309221

>>107309607
If you're a Linux Goomer get the 9070 XT

>>107309607
9070 non-XT so you get a normal card with normal power limits
AMD outdid themselves with the 9070 XT's FPS per watt
>transient spikes up to 400W
top fucking kek

>>107309618
Wdym with better feature set? It'll be on Windows anyhow.

Just wondering if the Nvidia card is worth the upcharge. I thought I was going to get Nvidia again for my next card because I don't like Adrenaline but the prices are making me reconsider

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>>107309459
really, really stuck on thinking that yours is the only valid opinion, huh?

>many other use cases for computers exist

I have a feeling we are going to get DDR6 before DDR5 prices come down.

>>107309631
>better feature set
DLSS and FrameGen are kinda magical in games which implement them properly. DLSS4 Quality is pretty much always a worthy FPS increase unless you're already at or above your monitor's refresh rate, and a properly implemented 2x FG is just a free FPS button.
AMD's equivalents are present in fewer games and generally look much worse.

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>>107308760
What am I in for?

>>107309583
if you are running out of RAM and the system is thrashing (paging to disk) then adding more should improve performance overall

If the system has a quad-channel RAM controller it will give you even more of a boost

>>107309631
The AI upscaling is better and the drivers are more stable on Windows in general

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>>107309609
>8GB is enough
not in 2025 it isn't

>>107309624
XT spikes to 600W bro. Even my non-XT spikes to 400W.

>>107309658
>300W GPU
>spikes to 600W
>blows your 650W PSU up
reddit will defend this btw at least you're not giving money to the israeli jews over at nvidia or intel btw it's just morally right to buy AMD!

>>107308841
The question is why are you picking that motherboard
What features does it have that you wanted that made you pick that one instead of a mobo 100$ cheaper? cause thats ot a cheap motherboard
That said tomahawk line are usually good, simply good midrange mobos

>>107309592
Not gonna lie, Firefox crawling up to use 10gb of RAM after 10 hours on is annoying as hell.
>>107309601
I see.
>>107309649
Has been happening this year a lot, especially when I play RAM intensive games like Tarkov and SCUM that have memory leak issues.
>If the system has a quad-channel RAM controller it will give you even more of a boost
I don't know about this stuff much.. My motherboard is Asus ROG STRIX Z370-F

>>107309680
i wonder if all these fried CPUs we read about are actually cheap PSUs shitting the bed on current limiting when something goes full on pic related on a power rail

>>107309253
You can do better than that list on 2k cad, not like massively better but still
>>107309460
>Surely integrated Wi-Fi is better than a dongle?
yes it is

I want to buy the assrock x870e taichi lite but their boards aren't fixed yet even with the bios update right?

>>107309716
>Asus ROG STRIX Z370-F
dual channel it seems.

but in general more RAM will be more performant if you are seeing a lot of pagefile activity

>>107309607
very similar punching power, we have said that a thousand times
if you check gaming benchmarks you will see them running pretty similarly with the 5070TI USUALLY slightly above
So its 280€ for having access to the nvidia features but if your only concern is farmes in videogames they will behave similarly and you can save the almost 300€ for your next gpu down the line.
I would consider the 5070ti at like 120-150€ above the 9070xt but for 300? fuck that noise

>>107309569
But just from your chart its clear to see that Intel's products generally use the full range of numbers from 1 to 9. Their midrange processors are marked as 500 exactly and you can say the average consumer would shop for 400 to 600. Arrow Lake numbers are slightly inflated but generally stay consistent, so an Ultra 245k is what you'd use as the midpoint, it is literally the "4.5" product.

>>107309745
that's 220€ buddy, not 300

>>107309651
>>107309644
Opposite

At least memory is still in stock. Wait until the stocks start running out and scalpsters start buying it all up whenever there is new shipment.

>>107309798
Okay, sell me on why AMD is better on Windows

>>107309863
I'm more worried about there being no fuel at the gas station than no RAM on the shelves at this point... FUCK the EU for banning Russian imports. I'm going to LOVE the price of everything going up 200% because nobody can afford to transport goods anymore without fuel.

>>107309870
It just works Nvidia doesn't Microsoft is going all in on AMD since Xbox deal

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>>107309895
off to /pol/ with you

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>>107308230
I'm still on AM4
I thought I'd upgrade this holiday

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>>107309911

>>107309925
I'm sorry I want to keep discussing RAM and other tech I just had a random autistic outburst

is it worth the risk for a used pre-built i9-13900k, 64gb of DDR5 6000 30cl ram, with no GPU for under $1,000? rest of components are in decent-mediocre range. I'm aware people had issues with the i9-13900k but don't know how common it occurred or how severely it effected the CPUs.

>>107309927
At this point there is no reasonable excuse left to NOT wait for DDR6/AM6

>>107309931
the realities of the world affect us all, anon, and i hope the fires get put out soon

>but i don't think RAM or NAND prices are going to go down for a while

>>107309941
if the system is in good shape and wasn't abused (e.g., overclocked by some idiot) a used system can be a path to great happiness (or at least economical cat picture browsing)

>>107309941
With the ram craziness, that kit ram will be worth enough money to cover the cost of the whole system soon

>>107309962
It's the inverse for 13th gen. If it's not overclocked by someone who knows what he's doing, the chip would likely be fried because of intel's insane defaults

Welp, looks like ill be waiting for a while now. Was planning on upgrading this winter but fuck that. Ill just focus on my other hobbies I guess. Gaming is really getting shit anyways, I hardly play games anymore.

>>107309941
Probs worth mentioning even the absolute cheapest 2 x 32GB DDR5 @6000 kit, that is known to pcpartpicker, is going for $366.99 rn.
RAM prices have been crazy of late, and will likely stay that way for much of 2026.

I bought 32gb of ddr5 for $85 in March

What case should I get since the XT bro blacks are all gone and I don't wanna get white (shows the filth more)

>>107310046
95 euro for me in August. Not the best kit, but way better than not having a PC due to the overpriced RAM nowadays.

>>107309941
>used pre-built i9-13900k
degraded as hell
motherboards with bad power delivery did the most damage to these CPUs

I just went to a pc shop near me and was told that a 2x16gb 6000 cl36-38-38 crucial kit costs $403
It's literally over for builders this season

>>107309774
you are right i skimmed through the post and thought it was 280€, you are right its 216€ which is imo a lot
but you are right

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>>107310063
Ram in question

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It's time to go home, white man. Return to DDR3. 4 sticks of 8GB 1600MT will cost you just 70 euro. The 4 cores and 8 threads of the i7 4770k are enough. Modern midrange GPUs cannot saturate the 16x PCIe 3.0 bus, so performance loss is none or negligible.
Embrace tradition once more.

>>107310099
Time to dust off the old 10900k and ddr4 and put it into use

>>107309982
>>107310058
did it effect every intel 13th gen CPU or was it a rare issue only a few people had?
>>107309997
are either teamgroup or patriot brands reliable for ram?

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I feel like this AI boom is going to morph into an everything-is-streamed future where hardware is manufactured exclusively for businesses and selling to consumers simply stops being a thing. It's ok though because you can do what you did before, just streaming from the cloud, after you sign in with your digital ID and paid for a few hours of cloud time of course

>>107310140
>teamgroup or patriot brands reliable for ram
Any RAM is reliable if they offer 5 year warranty. What, they're gonna deny you if it fails? Escalate that shit, call whatever customer protection organization you have in your country, threaten to sue, etc.
If they don't offer warranty beyond the government mandated 1 year or 2 years or however much, then don't buy. Simple ass.
My corsair RAM has 5 year warranty, so I'm going to rip the shop that sold it to me a new asshole if it breaks within that period and they make up some excuses as to why they won't repair or replace it.

>>107310158
we had a good run, my little builders

>>107309263
Windows, I found that Cygames was putting 10 fucking gb in there.

>>107310158
Thin clients still require a display, storage, iGPU, CPU, psu and ram

>>107310099
>will cost you just 70 euro
what the fuck are you blabbering about? I can see listings for 16GB for under 30€

>>107310140
It's a fairly common (>10%) problem since it's a systemic issue with 13900Ks. The degradation of the chip varies greatly from how people use their chip daily (e.g. Minecraft server hosting consistently degrades the CPU within 3 months)

>>107310186
I look at local prices not prices wherever (You) live anonny. 2x8gb sticks DDR3 are 35 euro here, so 4x8gb is 70 simple math.

>>107310140
>did it effect every intel 13th gen CPU
yes, in theory
at least the high end parts
in practice some chips can tank >1.6 V better than others
i would never buy 13th/14th gen used, i wouldn't buy a 12900KS used either (but that's fine because no one bought those)

>>107310197
ah sorry, I'm too retarded to read
thought you meant 4 sticks of RAM that amount to 8GB total

>>107310180
Every unity kusoge android port is storing in-game-downloaded assets in appdata.

>>107310158
I'm largely hoping it's a blip that will be over fairly soon.
Memory companies are attempting to "correct" after covid pricing and we'll probably see the average price drop from the current highs driven by panic buying.

>>107310180
You can patch its retardation with DirLinker.

>>107310195
>>107310206
if the chip has some degradation will it still run but without the maximum advertised boost rate? or will it BSOD the PC under any heavy load?

>>107310335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLumZn8DZVA

>>107310335
If it has minor degradation, it will cause GPU driver crashes in UE5 games
If it has major degradation, you'll blue screen while not running any game
If it has insane amounts of degradation, you'll blue screen when trying to boot into windows

>>107310347
>If it has minor degradation, it will cause GPU driver crashes in UE5 games
What are the odds all these Nvidia/AMD driver complaints online are from people with fried 13rd gen intel CPUs?

>>107310355
That already happened last year
I think most Devs are just ignoring crash reports from i7 and i9s from the 13th and 14th gens

>>107309631
You get CUDA for better performance in productivity software and AI. Upscaling only looks good in comparison to TAA, and since it's incompatible with better forms of AA unless you put it an external post-processing filter, it's never ideal. FSR4 essentially caught up with DLSS and you can port it into anything with Optiscaler now, meanwhile fake frames are a meme which more than double input latency and distort motion. Since Nvidia's drivers are still degrading, AMD is marginally better for gaming. Nvidia is still decisively better for work though, but I suspect you would already know that if it were relevant to you.

Is it dumb to buy a 9800X3D now and if Zen 6 is a big uplift sell that and buy the newest CPU?

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>>107310461
the fuck is a "big uplift"
if your mindset is to eventually get a zen6 then i would pick a 7800x3d and commit to replacing it on zen6
if i pick a 9800x3d is not because im looking to get it replaced
but we dont know what zen 6 will be so its all a moo point

>>107310472
For me I got the latter because I just wanted to play my map games the fastest I could, to be honest, knowing I could have saved some £170~ makes me feel daft but I'm making enough money to not worry about it too much

>>107308167
>9/7600X
what's the "9" supposed to mean?

>>107310487
(I think) It's trying to say the Ryzen 9700X or the Ryzen 7600X are both fine for gaming.

Which company makes the best NAND flash?
Samsung
SK Hynix
Micron
Sandisk
Kioxia
Intel (I know they exited business but their legacy products are still for sale)
YMTC

>>107310497
It doesn't matter it's all the same shit

>>107310487
9600x 7600x
7700x that the other anon mentioned is a decent jump on price

>>107310563
I mistyped, sorry. Yawning like it's a national sport.

Can Linux really run on those chinese SBC's with 64, 128, 256 mb ram? I need it to run a script which reads MODBUS data and transfers it over TCP to a server, while also hosting a VNC server from which you can interact directly with the MODBUS locally using a tkinter GUI.

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I just upgraded to a 9800X3D yesterday and the lack pins to bend on the chip really bothered me. I reseated it a few times because I felt like I was forgetting some guard somewhere. Technology truly has progressed, and I'm just an old man who is angry at long needed rails.

Rate my $1001 panic haul:
> Ryzen 7 9800X3D
> G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36
> MSI X870E-P PRO WIFI
> Super Flower Combat FG 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold
> Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE

I already have a Sapphire 9070XT which, while being a great GPU, was an L on price. I paid $700, now there is another brand for $560. Microcenter's 15% open box fee on the return (which I'm past, day 35 Q.Q) would chop it to a $50 savings.

>>107309114
i want more of these graphs and their ragions
ill post one of my cunt later

>>107310588
>rate my haul
mid-life crisis/10

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How much % should a Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT be cheaper than a ASUS TUF 5070 Ti to be worth getting?

I assume a 9070xt will work well on an x470 motherboard right? I don't feel like jumping to AM5 shit right now and just want to get a shiny new GPU.

>>107310588
good combo, personally i like msis pro line, closest thing to no bullshit faggotry
i really hope that sapphire is pulse/pure

>>107310639
enough so you can afford the 1kW PSU needed so your PC doesn't explode

>>107309241
>Boughted

>>107308760
>more price gouging is coming
>there is a shortage because we say there is
lol
lmfao

>>107309895
>FUCK the EU for banning Russian imports

no. FUCK Russia for invading another country.
they're never coming back from this.

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>>107310645
>is pulse?
By luck it is. Here is my childlike picture I sent to my bros the day I bought it.
I brought up the price fiasco to the worker at Microcenter who helped me grab the parts yesterday and he said, "well you got the best one at least," and I won't lie that was comforting.

>>107310588
man.... LGA cpu's have been around since LGA775 like 20 years ago

>>107309507
DECEMBER 2026

WHAT THE FUCK

>>107310752
good, you avoided the worst case scenario with the nitro+ and the housefire connector
its faulty by design, there are currently reports that not even sapphire managed to unfuck this shit
outside that, did they not have xfx/powercolor gpus? they are great brand and have really good models too

>>107310752
>>107310802
A 9070xt Sapphire Pulse is $650 on Newegg right now. Is that a solid enough price to warrant a fomo purchase?

>>107310650
I have a 1kW PSU from a good deal a few weeks ago, that's not the issue.

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>>107309941
I wouldn't risk it, some prebuilts even lock their bios. That's what corsair did and it's impossible to update their raptor lake builds and install the microcode updates so they just cook themselves over and over again.

>>107310812
I'm about to buy one for 650€ if I don't see a better deal until cyber Monday, so I'd say yes

I've got a Vega 56 currently, and would like to upgrade, how are the 9060 XTs and 9070 XTs?

>>107310812
yes but they also have the swift for 20 more, slighty better themps, dont remember about clcoks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvT5XvG65Y
check the temp section, it gives you a rough idea

>>107310870
The 9060XT is around RTX 3070 performance with 16GB of VRAM which imo is mandatory for modern vidya.
The 9070XTs are pretty solid RTX 4080 competitors.

I said it before and I'll say it again, xfx made the best 90 series cards, mercury oc is the best high end model, swift is the best low end model, I did the research

I am thinking that I can tolerate 200% scaling well enough to where I won't sacrifice integer scaling on my 4K monitor just for a bit of extra screen estate.

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>>107310802
The Sapphire has a lower listed PSU minimum, 750w, and was compatible with my old machine. The ASRock and XFX listed 800w. The XFX was $60 more than and the powercolor was $60 cheaper than the Sapphire, making it the middle-of-the-road option. Top it off with this being 35 days ago and right before I saw the price hike, I thought I had until the new year to save and plan better.

No ragerts, just could have saved some money if I had worked up some cash sooner and planned a bit better. Oh well, time to ride this machine for 7 years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>107310588
>the lack pins to bend on the chip really bothered me.
Old man has dementia
>>G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36
Dogshit memory and it cost you a fortune. Those are Samsung dies.

>>107310461
zen6 isnt coming anytime soon

>>107310497
if the phison e28's performance and efficiency is anything to go by, kioxia's bics8 nand is the best followed by ymtc's nand (generation unknown) used in Silicon Motion's SM2504 XT

bought a 6k/30cl rgb kit for 146 a few weeks ago, finna flip that shit

received my case :D
starting the build later today and finishing it tomorrow with the arrival of the psu

>bought a 9800x3d
>get two tracking numbers
what am I getting bros?

>>107311041
an ass pounding

>>107311041
People buying that 8 core junk which is going to age like milk like the rest of Zen for $470 make me laugh. Until AMD put in a new memory controller it's dogshit.
>>107311045
His bank account received it.

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>>107310991
My wife is on my eldest machine, some AM2+ chip and a 960. She will be getting my 2070super / 3700x as a result of this upgrade. I swear that am2+ was pins out ready to break. I can't remember the 3700x, I built that setup during COVID and am pretending that's why I'm retarded.

>Shit ram and expensive
Yes welcome to current situation. Based on other fa/g/s the price seems middle of the road hike experience.

>>107311092
I think I might be mixing up an even older socket the fm2+. Idk guys I'm tired and just want to the games and write useless code.

>>107311084
what cpu do you have?

>>107309240
I would kill for that to happen. I want a 5800x3d so bad but the only way to get one without paying out the ass is to get a used one, and I don't know how I feel about getting a used cpu. Feels like I'll get fucked over.

>>107310639
Id say more than $100.

>>107311187
200€ should be a safe bet for the AMD card, right

>>107309713
No lane sharing on 5.0 PCI, decent nvme cooling according to reviews.

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even more normies are finding out now

>>107311228
>4090
kek
fake and gay

my ram is here
i can finally relax

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AMD has reportedly notified its supply chain that it will increase pricing across its entire GPU product line by about 10%.

>>107310639
>>107310848
If we use the power draw logic like people do with Intel vs AMD CPUs then calculate electricity bill using 50% more power draw over the life of the product. RDNA 4 power hog vs Blackwell. Also the 5070Ti will just work with everything and all the software bonuses. I wouldn't buy AMD and I don't.

>>107311228
>People post this stuff and expect their homes to not be robbed.

Also ragebait it's not real.

>>107311294
her ultimate goal is to get tyrone in the house and offer his BBC to her

okay, so what do i really gain by purchasing a more expensive motherboard?
in my case i am looking at
>asus tuf b850 gaming plus $190
>asus x870 max gaming wifi7 $300
>gigabyte x870e aorus elite $320

>>107311331
a few pci lanes you won't use

>>107311331
there are like 9 chipsets for am5 and its retarded. x670e, b650e, b850 have decent offerings. x870 and x870e are quite retarded lane sharing with usb4 and overpriced. I went with x670e as it was as cheap as that asus tuf you mentioned and includes 2x chipsets with no lane sharing. check out mobomap and the guys youtube to view the insanity of some of these boards. want to plug in a sata drive? welp your 3rd m.2 just got cucked.

>>107308760
thanks obama

what if you just use gpus vram as ram and storage space, they are unironically cheaper right now (wild timeline)

>>107311331
on am5? working usb ports, maybe

>>107311374
enjoy your 10000ns latency across the pcie bus

I'm thinking about getting a 9800x3d and a RX 9070XT Combo. I recently found a used and slightly damaged Alienware AW2721D 27 inch monitor at work, it's able to do 1440p at 240hz, but my current PC can't really do 1440p.

My current processor is a 10400f and my graphics card is a 3060ti. I live in the UK so RAM prices here aren't raped. What'd you guys think? I'm trying not to go over 2k, but it's a little hard. Just want a PC with 9800x3d, RX 9070XT, 32 GBs DDR5 ram and 2tb SSD, any recs?

>>107311440
6000mts cl30 ram (and learn to overclock ffs), xfx gpu, kingston nv2 ssd

>>107311440
you found a 200 bucks monitor in the trash so you want to buy 1.5k bucks of equipment to make use of it?

>>107311259
Wild this hasn't gotten more (You)s. 2026 gunna be one profitable year for these companies.

>>107311440
>UK so RAM prices here aren't raped.
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/memory-ram/all
You better hurry the fuck up nigga.
Amazon is gonna run out of stock of the cheap stuff sooner or later.

>>107311464
It's essentially as good as new. There's some light damage on the right side of the monitor. I got it from working at a very expensive hotel, the monitor was in chinese when I got it. It's mostly an excuse desu, wanted to upgrade for a while

>>107311477
They're starting to run out now that I'm checking amazon. Any good prebuilt sites?

Quick question fellas. If I use a 1440p monitor as my main gaming one and a 1080p one as my secondary monitor, will that lead to any issues? I've only ever used 1080p ones together.

I need a monitor upgrade, but I don't want an OLED because burn in is jewish bullshit
my strongest hardware is a switch 2 and a steam deck
what should I get?

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glass pads y/n? i havnt had a mousepad in like 3 years just the wood on my desk but now i need one

but also i probably need to upgrade from my lgc2 for shootan games, i read a fair few people cant go back to 27 inch monitors so im thinking 240 4k dual mode monitor and say fuck it..or wait for the price to come down a bit, 2 grand is pretty tough

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Tested with CoreCycler for a clean -30 offset on all cores on my 7900X. Won the lottery, feels good lads.

>>107311457
Is 200 a good/normal price for 32 GB 6000 mhz ram? Seems a little overpriced

Returns of a tv cost even more than I thought 90 fucking € for returns

>>107311545
Asus oleds have aspect ratio built in plus there are no 27 dual modes for 4k yet
Full eSports get 540hz1440p or if can't hit those frames like bf6 get 4k240hz 27"

>>107308506
>13 dpi
First of all, it’s 28 DPI at 27 inches and don’t pretend like that’s not proportionally. Huge difference coming from 81 DPI at 1080p. Wow you are dumb.

>>107311577
it is

>>107311522
nope. there used to be an issue of running monitors at different refresh rates, it would cap each monitor to the lowest refresh. there was a website to test if thats happening, not sure how common that is now.

>>107309114
Haha you fucking idiot, never wait. I bought 64gb for like $140 earlier this year

>>107311574
got any good resources for AM5 overclocking/undervolting? about to put together a 9800x3d build

>>107308167
Bruh, I want to buy DDR5 RAM for my PC, but the cheapest that I can find in my shithole country costs like 89 dollars for 1x16 GB CL36. Should I just bite the bullet and buy two of these or wait for the bullshit prices to drop?

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/memory/cmh16gx5m1e6000z36/vengeance-rgb-16gb-1x16gb-ddr5-dram-6000mts-cl36-amd-expo-intel-xmp-memory-kit-cmh16gx5m1e6000z36

Thunderbolt ports on monitors are useless unless your PC also has a thunderbolt port for it to plug into... it's 2025 and they still haven't figured out how to use the GPU's PCIe lanes for data transfer.
>CPU <-> MOBO <-> PCIe BUS <-> GPU <-> HDMI <-> MONITOR <-> THUNDERBOLT4 <-> External SSD
it don't work

>>107311182
I’m glad people like you exist so that I can buy all of the cheap used CPUs. If you’re afraid of buying a used CPU from a place like eBay where you’re guaranteed to get your money back, then you don’t deserve a good deal. Pay the brand new tax and shut the fuck up.

>>107311673
Prices won't drop for at least 6 months, probably a year or longer.
Get two of those and you should have an issue if both are of the same make (e.g. v3.21)

>>107311659
why are you clowning on people when you bought 5200c40

>>107311702
>*overclocks to 6000 cl30 for free*
checkmate atheists

Just ordered sapphire pure 9060xt 16gb for 335€, how did I do? This was the last missing part for my pc, mb I'll get some 140 case fans if the GPU makes temperature worse

>>107311710
>windows encountered an error :(
time to reinstall windows smartass

>>107311644
Just bought it along with a 2TB 990 samsung SSD for an extra hundred. So 300 total

>>107311719
Win 10 been perfectly stable with no crashes going on 6 years now, not my problem you chose even more spyware.

>>107311651
Nice. I was planning on running them both at 144hz anyways. I just didn't want to have to buy 2 new monitors.

>>107311621
ye i was saying 27 1440p, coz my frames should get there with a 4090
but i read from folks going back from a 42" screen 32 is a good middle ground as opposed to 27 which just seems too small

gonna use my c2 infront of my bed as a single player comfy then my desk for shooters...maybe, depends idk

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>>107311688
Used it is. Thanks bro.

>>107308167
After wasting my entire night and getting 3 hours of sleep before Monday waging, I have to say RTX was worth it it looks so good. >>107309548
Deadlock is unoptimized as fuck for the way it looks and how little resources a source 2 moba should use. I only get about 175fps/1440p on max on a 7800x3d/5070ti. I guess it's still in beta but come on it really doesn't look that good.

>>107311751
Its not like used 5800x3d are exactly cheap either

>>107311778
most recent gaymes look and run like shit, even worse when they rely on fake (((features)))
i heard good things about of the latest one released with cryengine, it was about hunting, cant remember the name

>>107310639
Depends on your desires. The general online consensus is a 15% difference in price but the Nvidia card is leagues better not just in RT performance but productivity, AI, and software support. If it was MSRP vs MSRP I'd still go with the 5070ti

Today is always the best day to buy any ram you need. Restocks if there are any are always going up in price. People who bought ram just last week already saw it double in price.

naughty aio's are not allowed to be fully in the case

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>>107311866
god dammit

>>107311876
I thought you were supposed to put AIO coolers on the top or the side panel

RAM prices are eternally fucked. I'm not buying RAM for the cost of a PS5. I hate AI niggers so much.

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just remember that 20yo computers with ssd are still fast enough to enjoy anything but modern gaming. so don't drive yourself insane on the updoot-train generated by bots.

for games, 4k is overrated unless you play on a 20ft sceen and sit 6ft away from it. especially when motion turns that 4k into ~720p on most monitors.

i have 128gb ram and unless it's for work it's idling below 16gb, whatever game i play.

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>>107311882

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>>107311896
ayy this image is what I used for my research earlier

also the Lion does not concern himself with cable management until the psu arrives

>>107311915
does the lion concern itself with getting a sag brace for his gpu?

>>107311937
what do you use if you don't have access to a 3D printer?

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>>107311947
anything?
A plastic tubing cut to size a stack of legos a pencil cut to size a 2€ brace from temu (thats the one im using), an eraser on top of whatever so it reaches
Literally anything

>>107311259
A PowerColor rep was warning people to wait for this week's discounts and buy their cards before 2026.
9070 XT Red Devil is available for $650.
If some of you guys really need a video card upgrade, buy them now unless you're prepared to pay extra for whatever refresh comes out next year (no new GPU generation until 2027).

>>107311574
>1 hours, 15 minutes, 57 seconds
cute

>>107312009
i checked specifically one of the cards he mentioned and went down 30$ on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Hellhound-Spectral-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B0CWFR34L7?nsdOptOutParam=true
That was a card he mentioned specifically in reddit as being one of his offers

>>107312024
Wouldnt mind those discounts hitting EU, cheapest 9070xt has been 605€ (give or take) for a couple months now) seeing an extra discount would be the excuse to pull the trigfger
Or some nvidia discounts fucking leather jacket freak

>>107311665
I'm not the best source. I just used what I knew and piled on some LLM resource gathering for feedback. Worked fine for me.
>>107312022
>Prime95 for 1,000 years autism
Sad! Many such cases...

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>92 euro for a tv return

>>107312046
just dlsss youre budget goy

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imagine buying a 98" TV, having it brought, installed, and you see a dead pixel
and realize you have to do the whole return and pay this shit again

airflow isnt even real Allah shall guide these winds

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>All-black X870E Tomahawk refresh (Max)
It should've been all black to begin with. The eCLK is a newly added feature.

>>107312148
You're sitting far back, so I'm not returning shit. Maybe I'd try to get a discount.

>$230 for 2x16gb cl36 ddr5
GRIM

>>107312009
>9070 XT Red Devil is available for $650.
How are those ones? The Pulse is also the same price but the Hellhound is only $630. I'm struggling to decide.

I boughted a QD-OLED because I found a great deal for $320. I am totally fine with all the humiliation rituals and hoop jumping to help prevent burn in. but i realize now how much I use static UI software like a DAW, IDE, etc.. Im worried that regardless of my black background, autohidden taskbar, dark theme, etc I'll still get burn in. Is there anything I can do when using static GUIs to mitigate it?

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>>107312166
I should have never taken the TV Pill, I forgot that returns cost a fuck tone since you can't just send them from a check point like a monitor
It's all over
I'm cooked
I'm finished

>>107312195
for that price the only humiliation ritual is the mandatory 16 hour pixel refresh (24h if you got msi)
I would not give a single fuck about burn in at that cost my guy
I would not use all these humiliation picture quality reducing settings
in fact, it's a giant negative they even exist on those cheap monitors
the fact that you have to pay more to get better firmware/osd is kinda brutal

>>107312187
Look for card benchmarks, I seem to remember early tests showing the pulse having high memory temps compared to other cards. pulse was used as the baseline 9070xt for many benchmarks, and should be totally fine but if you are considering different cards certainly check out the benchmarks, thermals, power limits(304w, 320w, 340w variants) etc if you care about that sort of thing

I don't understand the ram price hike. I woke up one morning and suddenly RAM prices spiked up like crazy because of "market volatility" but how does something like that happen overnight?

>>107312187
You should be buying a 5070ti but all the power colors are built pretty well with thermal pads and decent coolers. Lots of people love the red devil and if you care about getting a premium model it should do you well if you don't mind paying the 20 bucks for quieter operation and a higher power limit. Personally idk why you'd bother with overclocking a 9070xt, the power limiting on AMD cards is extremely hebraic and it's already way too hungry. If I was budget limited and wanted power I'd rather just get an MSRP Nvidia card without arbitrary restrictions and better performance and save on the PSU.

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I finally bit the bullet and bought a GPU that is actually capable of 1440p, but now I am faced with the problem of not knowing what kind of a 1440p monitor I should get.
The more I read about them the less I seem to understand, it seems like all of them have equal amounts of downsides and you just have to live with the type of bullshit you end up buying into?

>>107312187
Hellhound is better than Pulse, and the $20 extra is worth paying for PowerColor's highest-tier model.
Both Sapphire and PowerColor set conservative fan curves to make them run relatively silently ootb.
You can adjust the fan curve through Adrenaline or other software if you want better cooling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvT5XvG65Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OGfWRTJ7w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1-rWNgZKRU

>>107312217
sam altman and jensen huang are 2 criminals propping up a fraudulent scheme and a bubble that will make everyone poorer when it blows up soon, that's all you need to know

>>107312214
>(24h if you got msi)
I did get an MSI, will the 24h be sufficient vs 16h?
>I would not give a single fuck about burn in at that cost my guy
it does have a 3 year burn in warranty, so I assume they expect even the most abused neglected panels to last that long..
>I would not use all these humiliation picture quality reducing settings
in fact, it's a giant negative they even exist on those cheap monitors
are you talking about the stuff that detects static HUD elements, logos, etc and reduces brightness on them?
>in fact, it's a giant negative they even exist on those cheap monitors
the fact that you have to pay more to get better firmware/osd is kinda brutal
I dont know much about different OLED OSDs/features/firmware, what will i be missing out on with this cheaper MSI ?

So far the plan was to use darktheme on everything, autohide taskbar, desktop background cycles through different wallpapers every few hours, no desktop icons, keep overall brightness rather low, have monitor turn off/screen saver kick in when not in use.
all of this Im already doing out of preference on my shitty TN, is there anything else I could do specifically when having the same software open for hours?

>>107312195
Use your old monitor for work if you're this concerned.
High brightness + static content accelerates degradation.

>>107312265
Are you budget conscious? Get the cheapest high RR IPS monitor you can find, preferably in store so returns aren't a hassle if it's got bad bleed or dead pixels. Most big name models around 150-200 bucks are well featured displays. Personally I like Gigabyte's displays with a little joystick button that makes settings less of a headache. Are you willing to spend for a quality picture that may or may not crap out on you in 3-5 years? Get OLED. Personally I don't think it's worth the 450+ difference headache. 1440p at high fps looks good no matter what the DEEP BLACKS are like, especially if you don't game in the dark like a troglodyte.

>>107312291
I really dislike using my 2nd/3rd monitors for anything important, sitting straight foward and turning my head to the side for hours is uncomfy :( I guess I could try mounting a monitor above/below the OLED to keep it centered or something, but would prefer to be able to use the OLED for most everything

>>107312290
Cheaper TrueBlack 400 MSI OLED monitors are missing higher refresh rates, USB ports, and a KVM switch.
They also get slightly worse factory-calibrated image profiles compared to higher-tier monitors.

You get the same panel protection features & upgrades through the firmware.
Check your monitor's official support page, read how to update the firmware, and do it if you haven't.

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>>107312310
Get a dual monitor mount that allows you to slide one to the middle when you need it.

>>107312322
>Cheaper TrueBlack 400 MSI OLED monitors are missing higher refresh rates, USB ports, and a KVM switch.
mine is 280hz which is plenty for me, I was on a 144hz TN and was happy with that. built in KVM would be nice, but I have an external USB switch for that when its needed.
>They also get slightly worse factory-calibrated image profiles compared to higher-tier monitors.
yeah that is unfortunate, ill try to dial it in a bit with the OSD but im sure itll be better than my shitty TN

>You get the same panel protection features & upgrades through the firmware.
>Check your monitor's official support page, read how to update the firmware, and do it if you haven't.
awesome, still waiting on it to arrive but ill update the firmware right away. ty anon

>>107312345
thats a good idea, ty anon Ill consider that

>>107312307
I pretty much exclusively live and game in the dark because of pretty severe photophobia, which is why I am not so sure about the IPS monitors, how bad are they in the dark, really?
Also, I think OLEDs are out as well considering they can apparently be quite bright and I don't feel like blasting my retinas out or going through the refresh cycle every 2 hours or so.
I've been running a VA for years at this point and it fits me really well, but I got really lucky and happened to pick a model that has next to no ghosting which seems to be pretty prevalent with VA panels, which makes me vary of purchasing a new VA monitor.
I guess IPS is the way to go nevertheless, thanks Anon.

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>ask other retailers if they have free returns
>they all confirm they have free returns from home
>bought from the only cucked retailer that demands a shit ton for a fucking return
>largest retailer btw
>mfw

>>107312409
are you the bong with the TV that needs returned for 60 pounds? sorry to hear thats still causing you headaches anon

>>107312265
If you're in the US, ASUS ROG XG27ACG is a decent 180Hz 1440p IPS monitor to buy atm ($200 on Newegg).

>>107312420
not a bong and not in pounds but yes unless there is a bong that needs that returned yeah
damn I hate this retailer holy shit

>>107312443
Around double the price where I live, ouch

>>107312396
afaik VA will always have issues with grey-grey smearing/ghosting atleast compared to other panels. IPS backlight bleed seems to vary wildly depending on the monitor, luck, ambient lighting, how much you care about it, etc. Ive heard putting a lamp behind your monitors helps not notice it as much.
>Also, I think OLEDs are out as well considering they can apparently be quite bright and I don't feel like blasting my retinas out or going through the refresh cycle every 2 hours or so.
actually, OLEDs are some of the least bright with peak brightness lower than most other panel types. the refresh cycle is 16h or 24h. you can also just adjust brightness on any monitor..

since you are in a dark room it might be worth considering a QD-OLED as an option.
>seems like all of them have equal amounts of downsides and you just have to live with the type of bullshit you end up buying into?
this is very true, all panels have pros and cons. just gotta figure out which cons suck the least for you

ips and va have their issues but at least they are outside of your control, I wouldn't buy an oled monitor ever for as long as babysit it is still a thing

>>107312265
I love my Q24G2A, 24 inch 1440p is my sweet spot. I think the newest model is Q24G4RE now, but if you're in the US the Koorui GP01 should be the same panel.

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POODNA2/3 FAGS STATUS?

MEANWHILE, NVIDIA TURING FINE WINE TECHNOLOGY RECEIVED DLSS 4 TRANSFORMER MODEL SUPPORT

>>107312265
>Destitute tier
1440p180hz IPS
>Mid tier
240hz OLEDs
>God tier
500-540hz Tandem/QDOLEDs

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What mice are pcbg using? My steel series rival 3 is showing it's age and the scroll wheel is starting to crap out.

>>107312581
zaopin z1 pro

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I want to build a 5L workstation utilized as a headless home server/render box when I'm away from home, CAD/Blender work at home and some occasional light gaming (occasional DayZ, Squad, etc). Is this blower cooler going to be loud as fuck?

>>107312581
Logitech Master 3 MX.
It's broke 2 times, and the warranty finally ran out after they replaced it the third time.