>News & Rumors
Price rises for memory, storage, and GPUs expected to continue
Micron ends Crucial memory & SSD business
AMD Redstone announced, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbz30gJ6THY
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch delayed or canceled
Nova Lake 2026
"9950X3D2" with Dual 3D cache & 9850X3D planned

>Omissions
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. 1.4V or 1.45V CPU VR voltage limit recommended.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

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>PC Figures
GPU: Noodle Stopper
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Most Taito, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: FuRyu Prize, Pop Up Parade (L), 1/8 Scale
140mm+ base: Pop Up Parade (XL), 1/7+ Scale
AVOID Funko Pops, Beware of Bootlegs

>>107523179
me on the right

>>107523130
>>107523191
you're convincing me on getting the red devil
a dude says he might trade me his xfx 9070xt mercury for my 9060xt and plus 300 bucks, if the deal falls through i think i'll just get the red devil

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>>107523282
you anti semite

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>build pc with lancool 217
>think I won't need the drive bays because I was planning on building a nas
>don't build the nas
>order a wd hdd thinking ill just use it with an external enclosure until i do the nas some day
>computer shits the bed 3 times trying to use it
>find out wd red drives specifically don't work with my enclosure
>tear open my case looking to see if I can shove the drive bay back in
> there's no room cables and shit that would be very difficult to move, can't even figure out how they were even in there originally
>can just barely fit the drive itself stuck in the little plastic slider
>look for sata port
>its hidden under the fucking gpu and the built in gpu prop thing is blocking it from behind
>have to move heavy desk to get behind pc to unplug everything move pc pull it apart get gpu out just to plug in a fucking sata cable to jerry rig this fucking hard drive
I hate technology so much, I wish I had been a true boomer or greatest generation or whatever. I spend more time just getting shit to work than actually being able to use it.

>>107523364
stop being stupid. build a nas.
>>107523259

>>107523385
Can't afford it after prices blew up. Just going to buy a gun and blow my brains out that's cheaper.

>>107523396
don't you have an old pc? you need like 4gb of ddr4 ram for a nas.

>>107523400
4GB of DDR4 is better than what my current machine has.

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>>107523455
there are questions.

>>107523353
why? Am I at risk of melting?

Two AIOS tested with Cinebench & Prime95

First AIO passes both tests without errors

Second AIO passes Prime95 with 0 errors/issues but fails the Cinebench test. I ran the test 5 times and it only passed twice.

Does this mean the 2nd AIO is cooked?

>>107523472
shouldnt matter on a 5070ti since it doesnt use much power

>>107523516
ummm nigga?

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seams a bit low no? 55°C but 85°C seams a bit high. i remember my samsung bdie kit would reliably error out above 60°C. what do you guys get?
>>107523527
wanted to be slick and not save the file to my pc but instead just copied the layer.

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>>107523540
thats just a standard ddr5 thing
doesnt really matter at all though since i've seen mine get up to 60C and still function normally

>>107523540
>samsung bdie kit would reliably error out above 60°C
samsung b-die is just a bitch to run. heck, my 4000c14 kits are unstable on a 10900k at stock because the 1.55v xmp voltage heats it up too quickly and undervolting increases stability.
samsung's ddr5 b-die is equally painful to run while micron and hynix ddr5 aren't that temperature sensitive at all

>>107523557

EXPO            no

haha so what did i enable in my bios if it doesn't support it. i guess it's fine then.
>>107523573
since it has ecc on the ram modules i wonder if you would just see a reduction of performance under high heat with ddr5

>>107523588
>i wonder if you would just see a reduction of performance under high heat with ddr5
funny you mentioned that because I've seen people claim that before with ddr5 but nobody's tested that hypothesis and provided hard numbers

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>>107523168
UN TRABAJO

>>107523601
it's kinda difficult to test since you can't see if you get errors in ddr5 consumer modules and platforms. you would just have to heat it up until you see the reduction and if you don't see it someone could say well it doesn't error out then. you would have to test it on a server with full proper ecc support.

i think i easybake ovened my asscock itx board after 7 or 8 years.
what are the kids using for an intel/asus combo these days from microcenter

>>107523720
we're running the cheapest asus aorus elite b850 boards with the intel ryzen 9800x3d

>>107519810
I have an atmos 240 stealth and it's loud as fuck.

>>107523364
You're literally just being lazy, get the case out from it's spot, get the GPU out and organize your PSU cables more neatly. As for a secondary system for a NAS, you better try and get HDDs before that market is completely fucked as well.
Like other anon said, literally any system will work for a NAS, preferably one with standard ATX components for PSU replaceability.

>>107523720
>i think i easybake ovened my asscock itx board
Let me guess, you put your little ITX board in a little shoe box? AIO as well?

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Received my ~$630 RTX 5070 Ti from this post >>107497688, it arrived in basically new condition but it was missing the 2x 8pin to 12VHPWR adapter but I already had my own cable.
Ran some 3dmark benchmarks to stress test it and it passed it perfectly fine and I'm using a 650W PSU. Played some games to ensure further stability and so far its doing very well.
The 50-series is so much cooler running than the 30-series card, RTX 3070, I had.

>>107523871
no but go on you sound very smart your mother and i are proud of you

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next op please

What's the biggest case I can buy? I'm 6'5 and struggle while messing inside my lian li xl case, keep scrapping my hands

>>107524014
well thats cute, but what is it for?

I've been half my life wanting to build a PC, but I never had the budget. This year I got my first job and the plan was simple: move to a more stable place in 2026 and finally build my first gaming PC. But the universe said NOPE. RAM prices absolutely skyrocketed out of nowhere and now I'm not sure about what to do.

Should I wait and hope prices drop again? Should I just accept that the extra cost is the new normal?

Any advice would be really appreciated.

>>107523168
eww katoki

>>107524035
Used 2x8GB DDR4 was $50 last week, 32GB is about $130.

>>107524035
Waiting will make it worse. A ddr4 system is still relatively reasonable and can easily out last the situation. If you're looking at ddr5 don't even bother unless you can either stomach the +$300 for ram or find 32gb of ram under $250 by some miracle.

>>107524029
next op picture. think it fits due to the ram prices.

>>107524085
>build your pc with outdated memory

>>107524094
the market is dry of ddr5

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>bought a 5060ti 16gb instead of 5070

Help me cope. That 16 VRAM is a better choice right?

>>107524120
let's see benchmarks

how come there are no ddr4 -> ddr5 adapters yet?

>>107524120
Depends, what resolution and various image quality settings especially texture quality were you planning on playing games with?

>>107524132
Wut?

>>107524120
uh... yeah... totally, haha...

>>107524132
ddr5 is more different to ddr4 than ddr4 is to ddr2

>3900x
>nvidia 3090
>tfw
I picked a pretty bad time to upgrade. I hope my rig can make it another year.

>>107524186
>5900X
>64GB
>3090
Surely not GPU??? Although if you had upgraded your CPU and RAM you would have had the perfect system for a while longer yet.

>>107524035
There will always be a certain part of PC’s that will have high prices. A few years ago it was all GPU’s. Now it’s RAM.
It’s a matter of how much you really want to build one. Save up and full send it.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING JUST KEEP WAITING

>>107524186
pay up for a used 5800x3d and 5070ti and you're golden for the next 5 years

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>>107524035
look around for ram that nobody would think of buying. things like bare green stick hynix udimms, 7600cl36 kits, single sticks of xpg/kingston 6000cl30s etc.

>>107524186
>upgrading from a 3090
why tho

>>107524222
>5070ti
that's a downgrade to his 3090, why are you trolling?

>>107524312
3090s are very slow and hot, stop trolling anon

>>107524239
>7600cl36 kits
Nta but what's wrong with that?

>>107524317
they have good ram chips but that xmp profile is too fast for ryzen and too slow for intel core 200 so there's no target market for it

>>107524316
You're trading raw power for software AI gimmicks. My son has a 3090 and was planning to upgrade to 5xxx series. Not happening; the only real upgrade would be the crazy expensive 5090. Numbers don't lie and there is a limit to what software can do. Tensor cores, memory bandwidth, GB of RAM.

>>107523168
is there a way to destroy every component in your pc?

>>107524330
Throw it in a wood chipper.

>>107524140
1080 Max quality

>>107524123
don't have any

>>107524148
I'm coping because local LLMs require 16

>>107523497
>Does this mean the AIO is cooked?
Should've brought Noctua. I got my NH-D14 in 2011 with my first ever build and it's still going strong.

>>107524348
You'll be fine with the 5060 Ti 16gb for that resolution settings, the 5070 certainly would have performed better as you won't take advantage of the 16GB at those settings.
But you said you wanted to run local AI models, then yeah you will want as much vram as you can so overall you are better off with the card you have bought.

>>107524120
the lower price is since they are both shit

>>107524356
I also second Noctua coolers, I started with the NH-U12P for my i7-920 and it is still working great to this day since I gave that PC to my siblings when I built my next PC.
My next PC and is still my current PC is running the Noctua NH-D15 for my i7-5930k and it is still keeping my CPU cool at this very moment.

>>107524014
does this just kill your PC through a pcie slot or what? which part does it kill exactly? just MOBO or MOBO+CPU?

>>107524120
im using that gpu right now
runs everything i throw at it, especially at 1080p
Even doing some 4k gaming (with dlss of course)

>>107524357
I don't even do AI. I'm just coping/possible resell in 2 years

>>107524348
>>107524120
For 1080p the VRAM is overkill but the performance is decent. For AI sloppa the 16GB is something you knew you needed. I think it's a good purchase to be honestdesufair.
I got the 5070 because I really wanted to upgrade to 1440p, 27 inch, and high refreshrate over 21.5 inch 1080p60. If I was staying on 1080p60 I'd probably have just upgraded my old PC to 2x16GB DDR4-2666 and a used RTX 3070 for like 300 euros total.

>>107524348
Is it any wonder ram supply is struggling when random retards buying 5060 want to run "local llms" to generate porn and they need ram for it.

>>107524523
see >>107524494

You don't need to spend that much to make AI sloppa decently. All you care about really is "enough" RAM and VRAM.
>i7 4770/k/4790/k
>4x8GB DDR3 sticks from China
>LGA 1150 mobo preferably Z97 for the nvme slot
>RTX 3060 12GB
all of this so far used, but some components you might want to get new
>any case
>any 600W or more 80+ Gold PSU
>any NVME/SATA SSD with a decent 1TB+ capacity and okay speeds
>any decent dual tower air cooler like peerless assassin and such
You can build this whole system for the price of a 5060 Ti 16GB.

>>107524566
you enjoying the 512x512 pictures?

>>107524583
This can easily make 832x1216 images in probably under 20 seconds each (takes 6 seconds on a 5070) and then upscale them to 1.5x or even 2x if you have the patience. 12GB VRAM is plenty, 32GB RAM is plenty, and the CPU has a very minor role in SDXL, at least with how A1111 is designed.
Plenty good enough for genning softcore porn of Gacha game characters and posting them on the game's /vg/ thread.

>>107524583
Just use AI to upscale them to 8k

>>107524671
you joke but the local image gen meta is not about outputting raw 8K images, but rather outputting 1024x1024 or similar (1 megapixel) images and then running hiresfix to upscale and basically run the model a second time on the image to fix small inconsistencies and errors
I dunno about upscaling all the way to 8K but I've tested up to 3x (3k by 3k image) and it's way better than the slop the base model produces at 1mp.

>>107524671
upscaling always looks terrible

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>tfw fell for the radeon meme and bought'ered 9070xt
>some guy lists an rtx 5070 with 2 year warranty fo 450 €
>INSTANT BUYERS REMORSE

The thing that made me regret buying 9070xt the most was the pics with the 5070 furmark test.
My 9070xt hits 70C on GPU hotspot and 75C on VRAM while fans reach 3000 RPM and the whole thing sounds like a jumbo jet getting off a runway. Also this "amazing" result is with -15% PL. Stock temps are 90C on VRAM / 84 hotspot.
Meanwhile his 5070 has 50C on VRAM with fans @ 1100 RPM.
Also Redstone turned out to be a total flop (not that i expected it to be amazing, but still).

WHY THE FUCK DID I LISTEN TO PAID AYYMDUMB SHILLS AND BOUGHT THIS HOT FEATURELESS GARBAGE

>>107524599
wait, ram size is more important than ram speed?
thought ddr3 would be too slow

>>107524694
I mean, it is important, but if the choices are
>spend 500 dollars on 32GB DDR5 alone
>make an image in 20 seconds
>spend 40 dollars on 32GB DDR3 (whole PC is 500 dollars)
>make an image in 25 seconds
I think there's a clear winner here. You have to settle on something with the current RAM pricings.

>>107524694
You can run ddr3 at ddr4 speed

Cinebench doesn't let me start the gpu test using a 5070ti with the newest driver, do I have to install an older one?

>>107524323
Don't such sticks usually have fallback profiles with lower frequency?

>>107524685
Timestamp with name and hardware or you're lying

>>107523179
>Nendoroids
>Figma
Nigga, they already deteriorate faster than other figures. Your Shimikaze is not going to thank you for putting her next to a hot GPU.

>>107524327
>wives son
Now who's trolling?

>>107524822
You can just set the sticks to whatever you want

>>107524822
gskill doesnt do that while other brands like kingston or corsair may have that

So debating whether going for a Corsair air 5400 or a fractal north

I really like the looks of the fractal, but how is cooling performance?

Reposting here
>bought 3090 used for 450 usd
>own 2700x cpu, 32gb ddr4 3200mhz.

So the 2700x is pretty trash nowadays. Should i really invest in 5700x3d or 5800x3d? they're expensive af.

>>107524862
buy some dirt cheap non-x3d cpu to carry over the ddr5 hell period
5600x is prob like 100$

>>107524862
yes you should. 5800x3d is only 10% faster in games so only get that if its within 10% the price of the 5700x3d

>>107524735
I don't think going above 2133 is realistic, and 2133 is like absolute bottom of the barrel for DDR4.

>>107524862
They are overpriced as fuck, get 5600 or 5600X instead.
Not as fast but those are under $100.
If you want more performance just go with Intel, it's cheaper to buy new motherboard and CPU than to buy 5800X3D.

>>107524905
people ran 2400 with FX-8350s, Haswell can do it too.
>>107524862
5600 or 5700X. The 3Ds have been out of production for years and super expensive.

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>>107524916
>go intel cpu

>>107524841
>bought 3090 used for 450 usd
you lucky lucky bastard, that's a steal where I live

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>>107524816
Tried using OCCT and it gives me this on 3d adaptive, what the hell should I do? Driver version 591.44.

is a gtx 580ti enough for vrchat?

>>107524971
don't be a nigger an RX 470 costs 30 bucks

>>107524963
its because nvidia deprecated 32bit cuda on rtx5000. if your gpu can run the cinebench gpu benchmark then it isn't an rtx5000 gpu

>>107524971
Lul no.

You need at least 20xx if you want to VR.

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I just reset my bios and written down every change.
Anything else I should do (or maybe revert back to default) if I the main goal is idle efficiency minmax without losing too much sustained load performance (so no eco mode)?

>>107524977
can a 470 do vrchat?

>>107525002
not in VR mode but it can launch the game

>>107524980
How can that be? VRchat was made when 20xx didn't even exist

>>107525009
That doesn't mean you should buy a 2010 gpu that hasn't received driver updates for 10 years

>>107525009
Ya but back then there ain't much VR stuff to do in the game either.

Now the technology is more mature, there're more shit you can do in a VR lobby, you also need a GPU better than the minimum requirement to not lag.

>>107524979
Okay, any tips on what program I should use to stress test my gpu asides from furmark?

>>107525019
Correction, 12 years. The 314 driver, the last one with good performance was released in 2014

>3090 series GPUs sold for $900 eight months ago
Maybe buying one now while they are only slightly above used 5070 prices isn't so bad.

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>>107524963
>>107525025
occt werks on my machine

>>107525047
before the ddr apocalypse people though 5070 ti with 24gb vram was around the corner

now the 3090 is obviously more valuable in comparison to other products in the market

Imagine a world where Ray Tracing didn't take off and we were still using classical rasterization methods. The GTX 1080 Ti would've still ran every game at max settings.

>>107525047
I thought it was as low as 400 usd in America.

>>107525065
thank god for that. i was about to sell my 3090 in anticipation of the 5070ti super but I got lazy and then the ramageddon happened

>>107525077
Here the 3090 used is about the same as a new 5070 but more than a used 5070 so I still don't know if it is worth the power draw and worse performance just for the 24GB of VRAM even for content creators. But like hell if 8GB users got good paths to upgrade anyway.

>>107525068
1080ti can't run Battlefield 1 at max settings.

>>107525049
Well shit, is it because I'm using w10 iot ltsc?
I'll try reinstalling the driver to see if it helps.

>>107525112
The 1660 Super can definitely run BF1 at max settings 1080p60, so the 1080 Ti should too.
I know, because I recently pirated BF1 for my brother and his PC has the 1660S, and I watched him play the first mission at 60+ FPS.

>>107525127
Are you joking. 150 fps minimum, it's a shooter game.

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>>107525134
let's fucking go

>>107525009
trust me bro i post on pcbg

>>107525140
The point is that even pure raster games require more raw power than the 1080ti can provide. I can assure you, no one who bought a 1080ti in 2017 is using a 1080p screen.

>>107525172
My point is without RT, and by proxy DLSS and FrameGen, game graphics would've stagnated just enough for the 1080 Ti to still be relevant today. There's no RT which it doesn't support, no DLSS and FG that devs demand be used as crutches for playable framerates, just pure graphics like Romero and Carmack intended.

>>107525192
It is relevant today, several youtubers show 1070s running the latest games. Just not at max settings, which are stupid anyway.

>>107524824

Lying about what? You really think 9070xt runs colder than 5070 in furmark?
Or you can't believe that someone is dumb and gullible enough to actually by a 9070xt, when 5070 is cheaper, has better temps and way more (+better) features?

>>107525206
9070 XT can blow up your PSU much better with those 600W transients
The 5070 can't blow anything up with it's measly 250W TDP, pfft, pathetic, it can't even heat itself up!

Does anyone still care about the old "price, performance, power" way of reviewing GPUs? Or do people not care about power anymore?

>>107525220
Nvidiacucks

>>107525220
people very much care about power when AMD GPUs have huge transient spikes meaning your 650W PSU can be fine and then suddenly verymuch not fine and shut down, and Nvidia 5090's can melt their power cables

>>107525124
could be. i'm on windows 11 pro 24H2

>>107525220
> "price, performance, power"
what
gpus reviews give you price if its known, theres cases where they dont because of fake msrp, and paper launches which causes issues for reviewers making recommendations

performance and watt use are talked about as standard.

whats different from the past?

>>107525110
3090 is really nice if you don't mind the heat and don't mind overclocking it for more performance. it can just about match a 4070ti if you replace the paste & pads and let it go up to 480W.

>>107525232
Yeah, I still kind of like my 150W 3060 Ti with 77c hotspot temperatures even if the cooler is loud as balls for this reason. When I tested a 3090 I could FEEL the heat like I was in an old computer room full of SLI 1080 Ti workstations in 2018 just from one machine. Even my 290X wasn't this hot. All that talk about transient spikes suddenly came back to be.

>>107525237
Installed 581.80 and it started working. Is the gpu utilization supposed to be at 1-2% in task manager?
Never really used this program before, hwinfo and occt shows % usage, watt usage just fine.

>>107525259
The 24GB is the sole selling point of a 3090, otherwise it is a 3080 Ti but more expensive.

I ordered a Sapphire 9070xt for 590€ a few days ago.
Will be upgrading from a 7800xt and my CPU is a 5800x.

Should I've just waited for the next gen or will I be bottlenecking the GPU with my CPU and 32GB of 3600 DDR4?

I have serious buyers remorse but I think I can sell the 7800xt for roughly 400 on ebay.

What do you think?

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>>107523179
got a new figure for my birthday a few weeks ago
I really should clean the dust already

Is replacing my IPS monitor with MiniLED too soon?

>>107525292
you'd be downgrading from IPS to VA just to get the same effect as playing in a brightly lit room instead of in the darkness where backlight bleed is noticeable

>>107525285
>got a new figure for my birthday a few weeks ago
I received this exact figure in 2023 when I went on a trip to Germany and met up with my friends. I think I just ragdolled on the spot. It's been sealed in my bed ever since.

>>107525276
nope, mine varies from 55 to 100% in task manager while occt was running

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>new build suddenly making an annoying rattling sound somewhere

ffs I'm so tired already this month. I don't have enough energy to troubleshoot this bullshit. it's probably some retarded fan but fuck

>>107525302
nice to hear, yeah I was really happy for it as well
I thought of keeping it in the box but nah I wanted to just put it out on display since I really like it

>>107525308
friend of mine bought a prebuilt recently and has the same issue and is nonstop bitching about it
who cares man just put on some noise cancelling headphones and enjoy your computer

>>107525282
next gen is a loooong while away so don't worry about it. and i think you did the right move in selling your rdna3 gpu while it still has some value left

>>107525282
unless u play games that heavily choke the cpu, the 9070 will be fine with that chip. was running a 5700x with that same card until i got a 9800x3d last week and aside from responsiveness improvements outside of gaming there hasn't been much else different overall

is RDNA3 better than RDNA2 like significantly? is a 7600 worth spending more compared to a 6700 XT despite less VRAM?

>>107525308
you might want to move the cable hitting the fan so your pc doesnt catch on fire

>>107525333
Try to get a 9060XT. I have a 6700XT, would definitely prefer a newer model but not the 7600 I think.

>>107525316
if you spend $$$$ if shouldn't be a disappointment

>>107525340
it's not a cable because the sound disappears if I either lower the fanspeed or max it.

>>107525361
fans are connected to the case via screws + there should be rubber padding to sonically separate the vibrating fans from the case

could be some screw or padding needs adjustment

>>107525351
9060 XT is 400 euro minimum. The 6700 XT I'm looking at is 150 euro which looks like a solid bargain, and there's other sale listings for 175ish. The 7600 is ~190.

>>107525319
>>107525331
thank you for the reaffirmation, but I am still considering returning it if I am not able to sell my Old GPU in the 30 day-return timeframe.

Have a nice weekend

>>107525376
it's worth it for 150.
check benchmarks. rdna3 has better raytracing

>>107525306
Any idea what it could be? It's the same in Aida64, temps, clock, core load, etc all show usage in hwinfo while task manager stays at a few percentages.

>>107525316
Terrible cope, it is not healthy nor comfortable to wear headphones all day. And if the noise is coil whine as opposrd to fans, you'll hear it through your headphones.

>>107525285
>gpu holder blocking fan
>asuka blocking fan
lol

>>107525414
they should sell asukas that double up as gpu supports

>>107525405
Forgot to add that Furmark shows gpu usage in task manager.

>>107525414
>asuka blocking fan
Imagine if this was a figure of the original Asuka in her first appearance, you could have the wind from the fans lifting up her yellow dress.

>>107525282

>I ordered a Sapphire 9070xt for 590€ a few days ago

Same thing with me, 9070xt Sapphire Pulse for the same price, i also feel an immense buyers remorse now, but for a different reason >>107524685
Just realized that i've paid like 130€ more for +4gb of slower memory and scammed myself by listening to ayymd shills. These 4 additional gb won't even matter long term, it's the same story as with 7900xt and 7900xtx. So, 9070 and 9070xt cards really have only one (questionable) advantage over 5070/5070ti and massive amount of disadvantages.

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>>107525422
>they should sell asukas that double up as gpu supports
You mean like this?

This post >>107525497 got me thinking: does the faster GDDR7 VRAM in the 5070 actually make up for it's lack of an extra 4GB compared to AMD's offerings? Are there any benchmarks of VRAM intensive games to show if the faster memory speed can make up for the lack of capacity by just streaming assets in really quickly, or something?

>>107525001
>-30 PBO

That probably isn't stable.

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>>107525512
or like this in case of 5090

>>107525414
it's fiiine, i undervolt anyway

>>107525497
I'm not sure what you're smoking. 9070xt uses a lot more power, yes but it's a whole performance tier over the 5070 that it's not even close

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Do you guys undervolt your cpu/gpu?

>>107525554
I overvolt my RAM

>>107525554
CPU, yes but not GPU since it affects performance

Need your help anons.

I’ve recently started to experience issues with my RTX 3090, bought brand new in January 2024. It’s MSI GAMING X TRIO model.

Couple weeks ago with help from other anon in this thread I’ve run MODS/MATS test on my GPU and I had

Memory Write Errors (MATS A, C, E)

I have warranty until January 26th for this card.

I have sent it back to seller and he said he replaced the thermal paste in the GPU and it’s working and they’ll be sending it back again to me.

The thing is I would prefer to have my money back since I doubt replacing this thermal paste solved this issue and it’s more like a temporary band-aid than a solution.

What would you do in my place? Just share the test results with the service and tell them I’ve run this test before?

It seems stupid that we will be sending this card back and forth.

>>107525554
GPU only
>>107525568
yes, it makes performance better

>>107525572
Not on Blackwell it doesn't. Fixed offset runs faster at the same wattage as curve UV does

>>107525561
I tried OCing my ram using the spd profile shit in bios but none of the changes took effect when I booted into windows so I gave up after an hour lol

>>107525519

Not really, at least to my knowledge, but there's this Nvidia Neural Compression thing, that can significantly reduce vram usage (it's still in beta though): https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-new-tech-reduces-vram-usage-by-up-to-96-percent-in-beta-demo-rtx-neural-texture-compression-looks-impressive

So maybe 12gb actually won't be such a big drawback after all, even now most cases where you run out of vram involve ultra textures in 4k resolution.

>>107525523
Running fine since 2022. Most X3D, especially early batches, can handle it.
Just in case I run core cycler for a day and y-cruncher for an hour every couple months.

>>107525554
Tried undervolting GPU but every unrelated driver crash or power loss reset settings to default so I gave up.

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What's a good price for used xtx in Yurop? I need another one.

>>107525519
Gddr's transfer rate is just the transfer rate per pin. You also have to take into account the GPU chip's memory bus width to get the GB/s transfer rate. The 5070's 192bit bus provides 672gb/s bandwidth compared to the 9070xt's 256bit bus' 644.6GB/s which is close enough that there's no tangible benefit for the geforce.

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>16GB DDR3 DIMM for 17 euro
Am I getting scammed with fake memory or is this an absolutely insane bargain? Two of these and you're gaymin'

>>107525669
that's regular price. check if it's server ram

>>107525685
>RAM DDR3 16GB 1600MHz DIMM 240pin, Non-ECC
>non buffered, non registered

>>107525692
that's fine, it does need overclocking though

>>107525669
the scam is that the best cpu you can use it with is a i7-4790K.

>>107525669
The fastest ddr3 gaymen CPU has only 4 cores
6 and 8-core ddr3 hedts don't have avx2 so they're already obsolete

>>107525702
I'm on B85 chipset this shit ain't going above 1600 even if I want it to.
>>107525723
Should be good enough for Linux gayming as Proton has lower CPU overhead compared to D3D, right?
I plan on upgrading from i5 4440 and 3x4GB to i7 4790 (non-K) and 2x16GB for like 60 bucks in total.
Living room TV casual gaming and video/movie watching PC on Linux Mint.
GPU is an RX 570, just about good enough for what I want to do with it, which is 1080p60 in older titles and retro emulation, and 1080p/4K video playback in VLC.

>>107525740
sounds good. You can still tighten the timings, cl9 maybe?

Haswell lives on as DDR3 is the only affordable RAM right now...

I've always used ethernet cables for my desktop but it looks like I'm going to be forced to use wifi for a while.
Do I want to use a pcie card or a USB dongle? Intuitively I'd expect that USB would be better for avoiding interference.
Any specific recommendations?

can someone explain radeon to me, like why would you pick an undersupported gpu?

>>107525814
anything from tp link for 10-15$, more if you have high speed internet and want that gigabit
>>107525817
linux fags

>>107525817
I think some people buy it for open source linux drivers
nvidia could easily remove that niche from existance by doing the drivers a bit differently but they continuously opt not to for some reason

>>107525817
It's cheaper and the stuff that's unsupported doesn't matter.

>>107525817
probably because of turd world poorfaggotry.

>>107525814
depends on how far away you are from the router but dongles have gotten pretty good
seconding the tp link recommendation

>>107522566
>>mechanical keyboards, now funcitonally obsolete
>what's the upgrade?
hall effect is the only gaming keyboards now

>>107525817
Cooler brand, the green brand is really cringe

>>107525822
I do have gigabit and also want to minimise ping/jitter issues as far as possible. But annoyingly the ISP's equipment only has wifi 6 (not 6e/7) and I don't feel like buying an extra AP, so no point getting a super fancy wifi 7 adapter.

>>107525834
Quite far. On a different floor and multiple walls in between.

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>fomo ses the S99H samsung flagship tv will be an ultra thin micro rgb lifestyle wireless connect box tv
is it over?
or is microrgb faster than oled?
or is this beta tech?

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>>107525866
get a pair of these at this point
>plug №1 near router
>plug ethernet from router into №1
>plug №2 near your PC
>plug ethernet from PC into №2
it should just werk

>>107525923
last I heard they were selling rgb minileds for around 25-40k €

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>>107525817

Mostly because of Youtube techbros brainwash you with their bullshit about how AWESOME radeons are (because Nvidia did finally pivot to AI/datacenter and forgot to pay influencers this time, like they usually do).

Obviously none of these techbros use radeons in their PCs, they all have nvidia GPUs. But they will gladly shill radeons to you.
It's not that much different from /pcbg/, actually.
The only difference is that ayymd shills here aren't getting paid by AyyMD.

>>107525723
There were a few DDR3 Skylake boards, so you could use 6700k. Dunno if 7700k would work on such a board, Kaby Lake only had DDR4 boards.

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can someone explain linux to me, like why would you pick an undersupported operating system?

>>107525964
some people are sexually attracted to prepubescent children and to practise that hobby they dont want windows telemetry

>>107525962
I heard running ddr3 on skylake fries the memory controller

>>107525970
as far as I know my father doesn't engage in anything illegal and still insists on using Linux despite not being a programmer or software guy in the slightest, and encrypts his hard drive and makes it clean format nuke itself if the password is guessed wrong 3 times

>>107525962
And lga1151 chipsets can be modded to work with the 9900k... So the fastest ddr3 CPU is the 9900k?
>>107525989
Maybe he's a drug dealer

>>107525997
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/coffeelake-supports-ddr3-memory.239899/

>>107525405
Turning on hardware accelerated gpu scheduling and power performance to max in windows and nvidia control panel seems to have worked, it's now using 50% in occt and 100% in aida64 gpu tests.
Before games also didn't use more than 1-2% of the gpu while stuck at around 60fps but now they go above 60 and usage is properly shown.

>>107525997
https://www.gigabyte.com/Ajax/SupportFunction/Getcpulist?Type=Product&Value=6741
H310 DDR3, supports 9900k.
don't run ram over 1.35V

>>107526064
>9900k on DDR3-1600 @ 1.35V
this is where AI slop has gotten us, do the techbros have no shame??

Anyone else taken the chinkbay "sleepy fish" pill?
I am using some 3rd party service to access their market. Seems decent.

Facebook market + chinkbay > Ebay.

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buyedboughted for free

>>107526152
>Epic Fail Store
No thanks

Why haven’t they tested cum as thermal paste

>>107526168
>big corp forcing you to work when you’re just a sperm cell

>>107524943
Brother, the Intel 12600k takes an absolute dump on the 5700x in terms of performance, and has the capacity to run both ddr4 and ddr5 (meaning he could upgrade to a ddr5 setup with it after the RAM crisis ends in 2-3 years). It's also cheaper than the 5700x, meaning the argument about pricing doesn't work in that scenario. It's faster and cheaper.

>>107526168
pretty sure at least one of those meme tests with mayo and toothpaste etc did.

>>107526195
Now give me a high end Intel cpu that beats 9800x3d

>>107526195
but intel bad
where supposed to punish intel
buy the worst product because amd gooder company and our friends

>>107526195
Alder lake was too good for this world
It even had AVX512 before they started fusing it off because fuck the people buying our products right? Nvidia tier behaviour

>>107526225
>AMDs high end is better than intel's high end
>therefore always buy AMD even if it's worse at the price bracket
Troglodyte behavior

>>107526225
clearly not what he was asking for lmao
9800X3D is $450+$200 board+$600 DDR5+tip
>>107526242
crazy how hard techtubers are still pushing this narrative after almost 10 years

>>107526195
>meaning he could upgrade to a ddr5 setup with it after the RAM crisis ends in 2-3 years
thats dumb to list as a selling point when that ddr5 upgrade would also require a ddr5 board purchase
>>107526243
launch alderlake was too good so intel had to permanently fuse off avx512 to make it mediocre

I haven't done it on my 5070ti because it's already snoozing at what I use it for. I'd need to buy a 4K monitor to get a reason to bother with it.

>>107525571
Bump

>>107525571
>>107526405
refund seems unlikely when its almost 2 years old and you aren't dealing with amazon
can't you just skip the middleman and try rmaing with msi? if you get lucky they might send you a brand new 5070ti or 5080 as a replacement

>>107526225
give me an amd cpu that works as a substitute for the 5800x3d

>>107526263
>AMDs high end
>single chiplet

>>107526413
I doubt I can skip middleman. When they send me back the GPU I will run the test again and tell them after couple days that it started failing again. But this time I’ll mention this diagnostic test.


According to my country’s law I have 2 year warranty and I can get fix or replacement or refund

Got cold feet, pulled the trigger and ordered an external SSD 2TB for 125€.

Internal drive prices are mad spiking now, everyday either the products are not available or increase in price.

>>107526465
Which SSD? I might be interested in another 2TB drive. I don't even need high speeds, just storage for games, which already work fine even on 6Gbit SATA or 5Gbit USB SSD.

>>107525946
They've moved onto shilling intel arc recently

>>107526488
Samsung T7 external drive

Need to dump my pirated games into it.

>>107526524
damn I missed the "external" part
>cheapest is 160 euro new
>cheapest used is 140 euro
go on without me bwos... i'm ngmi

>>107526381
done what

>>107525285
>>107525414
ASSka fans are literally retarded

is there a good use case for a second pc? feel like reassembling my old am4 build and test out win11/steamos on it so i don't muck up my win10 main

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Should I buy this for 549 PLN ($155) while I still can?

>>107526167
gotta support JKR brother

>>107526465
>2tb
I considered buying a crucial 8tb during bf

>>107524862
is that bdie? buyed a 14900k+mobo just transfer it over you are gucci

>>107526546
As I said, internal SSDs are fucking price spiking now.

It's unstoppable now, too late to buy.

It's literally over.

Moving forward, is it even worth having /pcbg/ atm? No one is going to be building a PC for at least the next 6 months or so. And that's assuming Ram, CPU, and storage drives start getting reasonably priced.

>>107526713
it could be pointless if the situation keeps going

I cant honestly even rec stuff to people now, whos gonna tell anyone thinking about a 1k € pc to buy ram at current prices

By the Heavens, the AI bubble will burst very soon, and RAM will drop to a reasonable price again.

>>107526713
>>107526725
/pcbg/ can exist
People just have to get off the autistic high horse that if the PC isn't optimal then it isn't worth building or doing.
If someone wanted a PC I would unironiclly tell them to get 16GB of DDR5 of any speed and wait it out. Suboptimal desktop PC is better than a craptop or no PC at all.

I have a feeling I'm the extreme minority tho

>>107526784
optimal is an illusion, you can always brute force things too aka just don't be poor
if the problem can be solved by money it's not a real problem, it's a money problem

>>107526784
instead of reccing people to buy 200€ 16gb ddr5 sticks most people will rec "wait"

>>107523168
I bought an msi mag case with a 650w psu , which had a faulty psu that didn't power my gpu. I sent it back, got an entirely new one which is also failing to power on my gpu. So anons, please recommend me a good chassis with a decent cpu for my 9060xt and ryzen 5 7600x cpu. I can also get chassis and psu desperately if that's better

>>107526811
This post has been the exact opposite of reality.
The last few weeks have been nothing but trying to irk FOMO and making fun of "waitfags"

>>107526835
note that the ram prices were insanely high in the past month, but lower than what they are now
I bought ram when the price craziness started happening and that kit went from expensive to insane.

Its bad enough that anyone that doesnt like need the pc for work to make money will wait just because they dont want to waste money.

>>107526842
If you can wait for a PC then you probably shouldn't be building one period at any time.
Clearly you don't care enough and there are already too many building just because it's a "nerd" accessory rather than actually liking desktop computing.

>>107526835
waitfags have been deserving of mockery for the last 6 months now, using them as the butt of jokes as an object lesson to others is very important, and very funny kek.

Anyone who wasn't upgrading around this time last year deserves to suffer now, unless they only started scraping the money together now.

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If the host connector is "PCIe x4 v3.0" can the data transfer somehow reach 32Gbit/s?

What other 4th gen 1440 OLEDs worth looking at are out there other than the XG27AQWMG and MO27Q28G? I really dislike these damned unmemorable model numbers. Seems like my local store will only have the latter so I guess I don't really have a choice, but I do notice that my ceiling light does reflect off my current VA monitor with dark scenes and it seems to be a matte panel already (practically a low power flashlight in my face), so maybe my only choice being matte isnt so bad.

>>107526835
>The last few weeks have been nothing but trying to irk FOMO and making fun of "waitfags"
that was me still trying to help the most stubborn waitfags and also making fun of them
It's genuinely too late for anyone trying now
I'm never going to tell anyone to build DDR4 12th gen intel that's shit I was gonna use for my spare media server PC. Once DDR4 doubled in price even that became totally not worth it

>>107527078
For 1440p OLEDs, it's either the XG27AQWMG because of its TrueBlack panel finish or a sub $400 MSI QD-OLED if they're still available at that price.
>480/500Hz 1440p OLEDs
You wouldn't be considering the XG27AQWMG if you wanted those higher refresh rate monitors.

OLED isn't perfect btw, you pick your poison.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1pfov6t/i_bought_xg27aqwmg_and_this_is_disaster/
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1paeeib/for_those_of_you_who_have_gotten_your_hands_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1dhvxy1/vibrating_vertical_lines_occurring_on_all_3rd_gen/

How's adopting an Intel DDR4 platform looking for AM4 users stuck with DDR4 right now?

>>107526908
No, you need at least 4.0x16 or 5.0x8 for that. 3.0x4 is 5Gb/s max and the actual transfer rate is always the lowest common denominator between the host and the expansion card.

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>>107527211
Check CPU benchmarks to check whether the performance gains are worth buying a new CPU & motherboard.
But you missed out on the best 14600K ($150) and 14700K ($230ish) deal.

>>107526598
> dramless tlc sata
If it fits your use case, sure. CX400 is a good budget drive, and price seems fine by current standards, too.

>>107527211
largely pointless if you already own x3d on am4. if you dont then maybe

intel arc costs 50% of amd at 90% of the performance, sorry but team red lost

>>107527264
>If it fits your use case, sure.
I just need to store some more programs and games on it. I only got 256/512GB Crucial/Samsung/Adata drives. If the only penalty is slower access times, it probably won't matter. Still faster than a hard disk.

Friend of mine asked me for a work oriented pc and frankly i only know about making gaming machines.
He works exclusively with a mapping software with big ass geographic displays.
Can you guys give me a crash course or choose for him a work oriented cpu? im assuming some multithreading intel cpu?
Please and thank you

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I've got a mobo on which the main pcie 4.0 x16 port is taken by a gpu with qemu passthough VMs and want to upgrade that same machine with a small gpu for the host, with the heaviest workload (on that host) being light blender scenes for making game assets. The thing is, the other pcie port is 3.0 and x4.

I've been thinking of putting in it either an rx6400 (125eur) or rtx3050 6gb (195eur). I'm specifically looking for a low-power card (<100w) because that's all the power budget I have left without needing to upgrade the psu (+60-70eur), and I want to keep the upgrade under 200 eur total.

Which one should I go for? blender's open data suggests that the rtx could perform 3-4x time better than the rx, but I fear it may be constrained by the secondary pcie in a way that the rx is not. This whole thing is an upgrade over plainly using integrated graphics on the host.

>>107527395
265K/285K

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Lian Li accepted my warranty claim for broken fan. It will probably take three months till it gets here from chinkland but I feel validated for choosing brand with proper customer service.

That is all.

>>107527395
should work well enough since GIS renders a fuckton of graphics too

>>107527490
I've unironically rma'd 11 of their LCD fans in the last 2 years because it keeps rattling after 3-9 months of usage
Idk what kind of lube they use or aging validation they do but it's left a sour taste in my mouth about their electronics

i have no frame of reference re: ssd prices but i just ordered a 2tb nvme for $180, seems about the same as when i was last looking at the things

>>107527472
ty
>>107527499
>should work well enough
What should work well enough?
>>107527499
Oh im sorry i thought the program might have been more obscure, i know shit about jack
But yeah its for arcGis pro

He is 100% getting a 5080, he just needs me to pick the rest of the stuff and help him build it. So i need Cpu that >>107527472 mentioned any well reviewed mobo and 64 gb of ram (i have already told him that he will get fucked over by ram prices).
Also about ram any specific speed that works better for intel cpu?

I appreciate any and all help.

>>107527517
depends what drive none of them are the same

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Why can't NVIDIA jews add more than 20GB of VRAM to a $1600 card.

>>107527541
need that sweet $60000 profit margins

>>107527533
what do u mean what drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV847y2Q96c

its interesting how "ed" from "sapphire" is an amd evangelist at 1h mark
>I dont understand dlss, if your game doesnt run well enough at native you bought too shit gpu for your res
>I dont understand frame gen, if your game runs at good enough base fps to make frame gen work (because of latency) then you just play at that base fps without fg
>path tracing is actually shit because you need to make surfaces wet to impress players in cyberpunk
All that to support the idea that 9070 xt is a superior product and nvidias offerings outside of the basic raster perf are seemingly pointless.

>>107527353
intel arc requires overkill cpu to match same speed as budget amd/nvidia.

>/pcbg/ - bitching about youtuber takes general

>>107527559
>>I dont understand dlss, if your game doesnt run well enough at native you bought too shit gpu for your res
>>I dont understand frame gen, if your game runs at good enough base fps to make frame gen work (because of latency) then you just play at that base fps without fg
>>path tracing is actually shit because you need to make surfaces wet to impress players in cyberpunk

he's right tho
realistically 9070xt/5070ti caps out at 1440p 165hz but retards are buying 4k 165hz or ultra wide 240hz panels.

>>107527556
what ssd is it

>>107527579
is this a bot?

>>107527587
kingston nv3

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>>107527541
>5060 Ti performance with 4 extra GB of regular GDDR6 VRAM
>costs almost as much as a 4090
>Rtx Pro 4000 Blackwell finally matches 4070 Ti performance in a single slot
>still costs less than a 4090 to get 24GB

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>>107527592
They were $120 a few months ago but it's gone totally crazy now so yeah good price

>>107527626
jeez and i already pay import taxes for the stuff $300 stateside is bonkers

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>>107523168
>KTC M27T6 (miniLED),
I see a listing for $285. Should I? My current monitor is some gigabyte that was the cheapest 27inch qhd 180hz I could find at the time. it's a bit harsher on the eyes than the previous monitor I had despite fiddling around the color settings, so I would like a change

>>107527667
its prob fine since anything is an improvement over ips

>>107527667
Wouldn't bother, it's still got a budget LCD panel.
Not guaranteed to improve your viewing experience.

what is the upgrade path for my 2070 S that won't cost me 800€ and pairs well with my 5800X3D?
For 1440p, mostly competitive games with some somewhat recent release AAA games ( 1-ish year old, patient gamer here)

>>107527695
5070 ti

>>107525964
>Linux
>undersupported
I wonder how an "undersupported" OS runs most of the whole world's IT infrastructure.

>>107527713
>IT infrastructure.
This is /pcbg/, not IT infrastructure building general.

>>107527713
It doesn't that's how

>>107527695
5070 Ti or 9070 XT

>>107527695
Depends on availability and pricing for your region.

If you need productivity work and not just gaming, ignore anything on this list that isn't Nvidia. The Intel Arc Pro b60 cards are actually really competent cards for certain productivity workloads (mostly ML/AI and video editing/rendering) but they are pretty much impossible to find in stock and suck for gaming.

If you're just gaming and using Linux, get the best AMD card you can afford.

The best choices for gaming ranked by typical list price in the US (as I don't know pricing/availability in your country):

- $750: Base model RTX 5070 ti from any of the bigger companies (Asus Prime, MSI Ventus, Gigabyte Windforce)
- $650-600: RX 9070 XT from any of the more reputable AMD partners (Power color, XFX, ASRock Steel Legend, Asus Prime etc.)
- $550-500: Either RTX 5070 or RX 9070. They are basically the same in terms of gaming performance and pricing. The RX 9070 has 16 GB of slower GDDR6, vs the RTX having 12 GB of faster GDDR7. That's really the only difference in terms of performance for non-productivity stuff.
- $450-350: RTX 5060 ti or RX 9060 XT 16 gb. Honestly, these are basically the same card in terms of performance for most games. Just get whichever is cheaper and fits your use case more effectively.
- Sub $300: RTX 5060 8gb, RX 9060 XT 8 GB, Intel Arc Pro B580. They all do just fine. I've had better luck with the b580 than the 8 GB 9060 XT and RTX 5060, but my experience does not seem to be shared by benchmarkers.

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>>107523168
Thoughts on DLDSR?
What smoothness level is best and what multiplier should I use in a 1440p monitor?
I wanna upscale to get rid of aliasing in games that don't have good AA.

>>107527173
Yes I'm looking for budget OLEDs. Ultra refresh rates are not useful for me, I don't have a 5090 to truly max those out with framegen. Anything I'm losing for trying to shop around for a cheap MSI QD-OLED? I do a lot of reading here.

>>107527808
just set dlss to balanced and dont touch it unless your fps is too low

How exactly does RDNA4 undervolt work?
If I push offset all the way down to -110mV I'm not getting any crashes in benchmarks, but I'm not getting any tangible gains after -75mV either. Is that what clock stretching is?
I did not increase frequency offset since it is running below boost max anyway. Should I?

>>107527813
Perhaps slightly worse factory calibration and not having USB ports/KVM switch.
Update the scalar firmware to the latest version after you set it up.

>>107527817
Some games don't have dlss though

>>107527825
have your temps changed any

>>107527842
yeah, try avoid playing videogames that dont have dlss

>>107527825
Get HWInfo, run a 3D benchmark in windowed mode like Unigine Heaven or Valley.
Compare the GPU clock speed to its effective clock.
Your GPU is clock stretching if there's a big difference between the two reported GPU boost clocks.
You can also run a full-screen benchmark, just remember to reset the sensor monitoring data before each run.

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>>107527678
>>107527680
Hmm. I think I'll order and test it quick and return it if I don't notice a decent improvement.

>>107527490
Every time I bought a Lian Li case, it came with a fucked up fan. I don't know what it is with them.

>>107527771
Pretty much everything corporate runs RHEL in its backend (including the vast majority of Azure deployments), and a lot of engineering/CS/tech firms use Ubuntu as their "default" OS. With that said, enterprise level support and user level support are not the same thing.

>>107525964
Linux support is pretty fantastic outside of a few specific avenues. Valve has made huge strides through Proton and allows pretty great Linux compatibility for gaming for basically everything except games with some kernel level anti-cheat software (which you shouldn't play because no multi-player game is worth installing spyware/malware on your PC).

In the engineering and scientific computing world, the default assumption is that you have either a Ubuntu LTS or RHEL. Often times you can't even get modern windows binaries for some of these applications (see TensorFlow whose last windows native build was 5 years ago and doesn't support GPU acceleration, and ROS which doesn't function outside of Linux/Mac).

>1x 32GB Samsung ECC REGISTERED DDR4 2133MHz PC4-17000 RDIMM | M393A4K40BB0-CPB is $175 per stick right now
Was it always this expensive or is this the RAM pumping already in sction st my locsl IT store?

>>107527871
>see TensorFlow whose last windows native build was 5 years ago
People are using pytorch now

>>107526225
> Now give me a high end Intel cpu that beats 9800x3d

The i9 12900k will be within single digit performance deltas for the 9800x3d and is now 5 years old. The Core Ultra 285k absolutely demolishes the 9800x3d in literally every benchmark except price. The Ryzen stuff has never been better than Intel in terms of raw compute power, it's simply better for the money you spend.

As soon as that tradeoff switches, where the comparative Intel CPU is cheaper, you're never better off getting the Ryzen in terms of performance.

>>107526370
Compare the prices of "buy both a mobo and CPU" with "Buy just a new mobo" and get back to me. Also the LGA1700 ddr5 motherboards are usually cheaper because many of the major high end brands slowed/stopped production on their ddr4 boards and are only now starting to ramp up supply again.

If you could still get a 32gb Corsair vengeance kit for $105 like back in May I would 100% be recommending a 9600x/9800x3d. With the way it is now, it's cheaper to have the ddr4 support and replace just the mobo than to go AM4 and have to buy a new CPU and new mobo in 2 years..

>>107527846
Nope, it's power-limited either way so why would they?
>>107527862
Thanks, will do.

Would you rather have more advanced or freeze everything at this level for 5 years

>>107526420
7800x3d?

>>107527920
> People are using pytorch now

Pytorch is a better library in terms of how many kinds of platforms it supports for GPU/distro. It's also has a much wider range of plug-and-play tools, which is why you see most papers which are "Solving X old problem, but this time with a Transformer/CNN" using Pytorch.

If you want to actually develop a new architecture or need to make custom tools for your work, tensorflow/keras offers you a lot more flexibility and performance.

People use Pytorch because it's easy and they aren't actually doing anything novel or interesting. If you're doing real research into novel algorithms or architectures, tensorflow and keras are way more likely to be useful to you.

https://youtu.be/lHnm4BD64So

why would AMD release a driver that is complete ass

>>107527771
Anon... even Microsoft is dependent on Linux now.
Every single company in the world uses Linux in one way or another.
You probably have at least 5 devices running Linux in your house right now.

>>107527831
I was referring to the text clarity and fringing. I have never owned an OLED outside of my phone so I have no frame of reference.

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These prices make me want to kill myself. I waited too long because I was indecisive and now I get to pay the price. I vaguely remember Ryzen being the better option for heavy Photoshop work - is this still true? Last time I posted here someone recommended Intel instead. How should I approach building computers from this point onward if I'm not a gamer? DDR5 prices were already too inflated, and now it's even worse. I was hoping to build something with somewhat newer parts so I'd be good for another 10 years but I'm getting priced out of it all pretty fast. I really don't want to drop $400+ on something that should normally sell for like $80. Pic is my current build, at this point I'm sure anything would be an improvement.

>>107528163
grandpa pc

>>107528176
Well yeah, that's why I'm looking to replace it. The timing couldn't be worse though.

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>>107528163
another waitcuck BTFO lmfao

Just keep an eye out on fb marketplace and pickup someones used pc their retarded parents are flogging at a discount. Especially if you live in america, im sure some kid tried fent for the first time and died and their boomer parents are trying to dump their stuff quick.

>>107528110
They're all going to look worse than LCD monitors with plain RGB subpixel layouts.
Some people get used to OLED's text fringing, it's a deal breaker for others.
You need to see for yourself at a display showroom.

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I'm guessing I should have built my DDR5 Epyc AM5/Xeon system sooner, even if one part at a time.

>>107528163
Do you even need a new GPU? Or a discrete at all?
Might as well drop in a 5700G and add another 2x8GB ram, though integrated graphics scales with ram speed so instead try to find a not-too-overpriced 2x16GB 3200CL16 if you can.

>>107528163
I don't pity you at all,
AM4 platform owners had affordable upgrade options to choose between 2023 and September 2025.

>DDR5 prices were already too inflated
Just say you're poor.
2x16GB Standard JEDEC DDR5 kits for non-gamers were available for under $70

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>>107527963
>The i9 12900k will be within single digit performance deltas for the 9800x3d and is now 5 years old. The Core Ultra 285k absolutely demolishes the 9800x3d in literally every benchmark except price.
Uhhu... source?

>>107528288
>AM4 platform owners had affordable upgrade options to choose between 2023 and September 2025.
Like what? 5700X3D? Microcenter CPU+mobo+RAM bundles? Yeah those were cool if you live in the US or were in the US at the time, but you shouldn't feel forced to consoom now, buy now before it is too late all the time. Some people buy and check out for a few years.

>>107528163
Thems the breaks
That's what ram costs now and your only choices are go to 12th gen intel on ddr4 to pay a little less or suck it up and pay the inflated costs for ram and everything else
if you aren't a gamer and just need something low budget but decent enough that only really leaves like the 12100, 12400 or 14600K

>>107528163
based speccyboomer

>>107528321
>Like what?
You weren't forced to stay on AM5, you're just a poorfag who didn't want to buy into AM5 because the platform wasn't cheap enough for (you).
The market doesn't give a shit about (you) or your entry point.
The fact is DDR5 memory prices cratered to all-time lows while you were waiting™ for even cheaper discounts.

>Some people buy and check out for a few years.
And now you pay the consequences.

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>mfw had to get 48 GB of ram instead of 64 because I am not paying $500+
Feels bad man. Oh well, fuck it.

>>107528351
>$500+
>64GB
no chance of that now