>>7426058
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7426060
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7426062
Current Contests:

Silent Manga Audition 22 "Seized With Rage":
https://www.manga-audition.com/

Worldless World Manga Contest:
https://wordlessmanga.com/eng.html

Global Comics Awards 2024:
https://en.mangadraft.com/contests/global-comic-awards-2024.en

Webtoons 2025 Contest:
https://www.webtoons.com/en/notice/detail?noticeNo=3321

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

How is it possible that people can draw a manga with a good and unique art but it's still possible to identify it as a non-japanese art?

>>7426068
Aegean Jeans

Finally, an OP image I'm familiar with and a fan of.

>>7426068
Not enough high-sodium ramen intake.

>>7426058
Damn the sfx typesetting is actually way better than most comics

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It's not proper comic this time, but it's close :D

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>>7426128
かわいい

>>7426128
cute

>>7426128
>hiding hands
You WILL practice your hands and you WILL become good at them and you WILL become the envy of other anons! I believe in you!

Maybe a dumb question, but with those comic page guides you see where there's blue borders on the sides to show the area you should be drawing in and what part of the page will get cropped out in pinting, should I draw on the border or just under it?

>>7426165
>>7426182
Thanks :D
>>7426205
I draw hands sometimes, but it's still really hard and they always look too small

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>>7426058
Is Bakuman good? Is it inspiring in any way?

>>7426334
I only watched the anime admittedly, but at the start of me really making manga it got my blood boiling hard to crank out some pages
even now I especially like pulling up the ending credits from the live action movie when I want an extra bit of motivation
the music and the drawing sounds, and the slow pan across the bookshelf makes me wanna go nuts with the ink

>>7426257
>should I draw on the border or just under it?
It's not so exact that you need to worry about this. Just draw roughly within them, even having text a bit outside the safe area is mostly fine.

SPEED QUESTIONS TIME, EVERYONE GET THE FUCK IN HERE YOU WEREN'T DRAWING ANYWAY YOU LAZY SHIT.
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS WITH WHAT COMES OUT IMMEDIATELY DON'T FUCKING THINK ABOUT IT I WANT YOUR HONEST IMPULSE AS A PROSPECTIVE READER
>favorite non-sexual part of girl if shown
>sexy clothes good or pure nudity better
>can brown sexxo?
>if yes HOW brown
>is drawn food yummy

>>7426521
Legs
Clothes
No
No
Yes

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>>7426521
tummy
casual clothes -- like a bra and jeans
yeah
who cares -- hot is hot
burger study from a few days ago

>>7426481
Alright, thanks! I was worried I'd do something dumb and a bunch of the page would get chopped off.

>>7426521
thighs
sexy clothes
yes
as brown as possible. black even. vantablack even
not really

>>7426521
>smile, be joyfull (inb4 faggot, already know, i just like their smiles)
>depends on what do you want, but slutty clothes is way too hot
>meh
>meh x2
>maybe

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>>7426058
Is it possible to make a living by drawing ero-manga / ero-doujin and sell them on DLsite/FANZA/DMM?
My average cost of living per month so far has not exceeded 400 bucks, although it would in the next 2-3 years due to inflation.
No plan to start a family nor relationship. The world is getting more and more fucked up, so I would like to have the liberty to kill myself without consequences when life left me twisting in the wind.

>>7426672
You'd be better off taking comms. I don't know your skill level, but so I can't say if you're going to do well selling that.

Also, are you white? If so, don't kill yourself.

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wip page. I bet I'd make more progress if I didn't fuck around with perspective so much.

>>7426707
Perspective is the spice of life anon. Are you done with your teddy bear comic? Or am I getting your confused with someone else?

>>7426672
>Is it possible to make a living by drawing ero-manga / ero-doujin and sell them on DLsite/FANZA/DMM?
There's no real reason you couldn't do this, no, other than the standard "how do I get people to actually read/buy my work" issue. Don't expect to be able to just make something, dump it on stores and proceed to rake it in without putting any effort at all into getting the work out there. It'll take time to build an audience, and that's only if you put reasonable quality stuff out consistently. Doesn't need to be professional-grade porn, but 0 effort garbage or baby's-first-porn-manga probably isn't going to break triple-digit sales, if even double-digit.

>>7426723
You've got the right guy. It's not done, just switching gears for a little while. Kind of a pallet cleanser after drawing the same two faces for 5 chapters.

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>>7426693
>You'd be better off taking comms
Not sure about this.
I would like to keep my interactions on the internet minimum.
Also, I don't think I could handle having to deal with 20 degens asking for 20 USD commissions on regular basis.
And I doubt if there are enough 4 millionaires who would ask for 100 USD commissions from an artist of my level.

>I don't know your skill level
Pic related.

>Also, are you white?
That's the neat thing, I'm not.
Living as a chink in Southeast Asia is not exactly the best thing in life.
Whenever things went south, we are always the one to get the rough end of the stick by those 'thou shan't be better than thee' brown vulturine towelheads.
Know what happened to the chinks in SEA when the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis happened?
Wonder what would these bottom dwellers do to us once the world reaches its dystopian state in the next decade.

>>7426774
Sometime I wonder what the world would be like if porn never existed.

>>7426693
anon no one on modern 4chan is white

>>7426774
Are you that guy that posted those weird ass goblin guro work before? If so. Yes. You can make money. If not?
You can still probably make money.

Normally I'd say just end it, but as much as I dislike chinks, I hate sea niggers way more. I say do your best friend. Show them you're better. Make some money. Wish you the best

>>7426521
Face
Sexy clothes
Yes
Californian gold
No

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finished the first page of my one shot
i'm not very happy with my art as a whole but I thought that I should just say fuck it and actually start working on a project instead of being trapped in the endless loop of practice

I haven't worked on my comic for a few days, but I can't force it either. Or else it'll be stiff and have no flow, so I'm just gonna relax.

>>7426058
Doubt anyone will believe me, but I'm the original /mmg/ thread starter from 8 billion years ago when this grew out of the SJ contest general; I'm glad to see that people are still posting and working on comics. Makes me happy to see that people are still using the original follow-up publishers / contest threads and everything.

Ganbatte anons!

>>7427713
That's cool anon, you still drawing? Did you make it?

>>7427716
I guess kinda! I've been working in the animation industry for a while now and on the side have continued to make manga. I've recently gotten a lot of interest in my work from someone with deep industry ties who wants to publish some of my material, which has been very heartening to me. I really hope that I stick the landing on this one because they have a lot of really good distribution avenues and some very high hopes for my work, which is really all that I could ever ask for. I doubt that I'd see a whole lot of money especially since the story caters to a bit of a niche, but I really hope that people will read it and give it a shot when the time comes. So, we'll see!

>>7427747
Love reading success stories like these, congrats and good luck, man.

>>7427747
That's awesome anon, hopefully you come link us when that happens, but I also don't want you to get ostracized for having connections here.

>>7427747
What publisher/magazine?
What kind of story are you writing?
How did they find you?

>>7427713
Nice. I'd always wanted a comics creation general here on the 'chinz since forums for this don't exist on the internet, not even plebbit. /hyw/ on /co/ was basically a discord chatroom last I checked before this general's inception.

>>7427751
>>7427755
Thanks anons! It might be a bit hard to link it since, yeah, the last thing that I want is any potential professional connections digging up that I post on 4chan even if this thread /board is generally pretty innocuous compared to some of the stuff on this site.

>>7427762
>What publisher/magazine?
It's an upstart publisher; I don't think I can really say more than that other than the person at its head has worked for multiple major publishers previously. Again, I can only expect so much because of how tiny the operation is, but I decided to give them my work because they were not only very enthusiastic and supportive of what I was doing, but they also have maintained a lot of their prior connections and have a lot of people they can call to get my work in the right places. We also agree a lot on our approaches towards manga distribution in the modern age (particularly when it comes to having free online access in addition to a print release, something I feel a lot of publishers both big and small are pretty behind on).
>What kind of story are you writing?
A fantasy action story, in short.
>How did they find you?
I had actually reached out to them for an informational chat about what they were hoping to achieve after someone else had brought them up. I can't remember how it happened but I showed them a few pages that I had currently and things went from there!

>>7427781
Yeah, that was one of the big reasons why I kept coming back to it for a long while afterwards even once I stopped being the person to post the threads. There's a few isolated discords here and there but outside of that there's just not a whole lot of places to casually discuss making comics outside of like, the Tapas forum I guess.

>>7427747
Congratulations and fingers crossed for you anon. Echoing >>7427755 it'd be cool to celebrate with you should you make it big but I'd totally get it if you can't in order to not get in trouble for having ties to /ic/. Regardless again congrats dude, always a great day when an /ic/ member makes inroads.

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Im thinking about botting/sockpuppeting some subs.
I don't really give a crap about this site, but I'm curious if I get some kind of algo boost when I hit 25.
Anyone fill me in on tapas? Worth the effort, or just move on to other sites?

>>7428011
If you're going to pay for bots why not just pay for some ads and drive actual traffic that might include actual readers that actually stick around?

>>7428058
I would need like 10 more subs, I could just make them myself. Ads aren't a bad idea either, has anyone had luck with those?

>>7428284
>I could just make them myself.
That's true but honestly in the long-run the effort spent doing that is probably a waste compared to spending the same amount of effort to attract actual readers. I feel like you could probably do way better for yourself in the end by spending the same amount of effort on a commission or two and dumping that money into ad spend or just printing out some flyers advertising your comic and posting them on walls and lampposts downtown or relentlessly spamming your shit in Facebook groups or on Twitter. Sure, a quick algo boost is good, but if you don't get one, then what do you have left? At least if you try for actual organic readers if you don't get a bump you still have...readers. And who knows, they could start bumping your shit for you instead.

>>7428011
Your position on the popular tabs are determined by how many people read and comment on your work over a long period of time and subs don't really affect this much at all. Also, you're only going to get views if you post 3-4 times a week or every day before you get drowned out by gay sex comics.

As far as my experience goes Tapas isn't worth much of anyone's time.

>>7428326
What do you recommend?

>>7428332
It's alright if you just want to store a mostly-vertical comic and don't expect to get any sort of interaction.
Ad revenue starts at 100 subs. I forgot what 25 gave me, probably nothing at all.
If you want to earn money, look elsewhere.

>>7428401
>>7428403
Wait are you supposed to line the panels like this when drafting? So that later you can arrange them as best fits?

>>7428554
idk, works for me desu

>>7428554
I wouldn't do this personally. Not only does it lead to inefficient work (cutting tons of art out of a panel when it turns out that it's not going to fit; having to draw lots of *new* art when you try to put a piece of art into a panel with a different shape or size), there are also a lot of standard comic layouts that it's kind of just impossible to use it to plan around (overlapping / "out of panel" compositions, single and double page spreads, heavily abstracted layouts, etc). Perhaps most importantly, it also doesn't give you a good idea of how your comic is going to be paced in its final form, which is essential. Not only do you want to know how long it's going to take to read through a set of panels, you also want to know how much impact each is going to have relative to the others, how many panels are going to be on each page (which influences pacing), and also which panels are on which pages and how (which influences impact; having a big reveal happen on the same page as the setup is far less impactful than having the reader physically interact with the tension of the scene by turning the page for the reveal itself).

Sure, you could do all of this via another round of drafts that puts all of your panels in context on the page, but why waste all your effort doing that in two separate steps when you could have figured all of this out the first time?

>>7428554
"supposed to" not really, but you can draw them out in a somewhat more simplified manner than here to figure out what panel arrangement works

>>7427150
really minor nitpick, but your early-modern English is wrong.
>doth thine ordainer the penileurge existeth, strike then! ordain me to predicament as thine testament of truth!
For reasons, the 2nd thine should be thy. And if you want bonus points for more accurate dialogue, remove the pointless Do verb. - Existeth thine ordainer the penileurge? Strike then! or something I guess.
>allow me to showeth you
First person is just show. The -th declension is for 3rd person. He showeth. Also you should use thee to keep him consistent in either being informal (thou) or formal (you) this switching back and forth is strange.
>what thou speaketh of,
Same issue but for 2nd person. What thou speakest of. Job 2:10 "But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh." Notice the difference between speakest for thou (2nd person) and speaketh (3rd person) You can fix this or not, it's maybe more humorous idk. Cool character designs though, reminds of me of soul eater. Tbh I didn't read it all cause of the wrong English, also I might not be 100% accurate I'm no scholar, I just mostly read older writings.

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>>7428977
I'll show ye

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>>7429005
But that's plural, and stilll doesn't address the weird switch.

>>7426521
Face
Yes
Yes
Yes
No

>>7428977
I just assumed no one knew old english so i didn't bother looking stuff up,thank you for your input though!

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fin

>>7429403
>I just assumed no one knew old english
Anon, this is /mmg/. You're dealing with advanced autism the likes not normally seen elsewhere.

>>7429403
that ain't even old english
old english is a thousand years older than what you're using there

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Having fun yet fellow manga makers?

Do you guys save the specific tone of gray you use for screentones so it doesn't look different between pages?

>>7429970
Never wasn't having fun.

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>>7429970
yes

Where can I find manga pages from famous manga without screentones? I wanted to see how much effort and detail popular mangaka *actually* put into their linework without screentones to help mask thijgs up

>>7429970
Yes! I hope you are having fun too! WAGMI, even if you are just making a comic just for personal enjoyment!

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>>7426707
further along, feedback is welcome, I have no idea what I'm doing with the inking

>>7426521
legs, but tummy and neck are also good
sexy clothes but keep it to a minimum, if the clothes look like a hassle to put on and remove i'd rather see my girl nude
yeah
any
rarely

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How far ahead do you plan your stories, and in how much detail? Personally I have ideas in the back of my mind of where I eventually want to take things, but writing chapter by chapter to reach those cool ideas or specific scenes are pretty difficult.

>>7430883
Depends on what story. Out of my 3 projects, 1 I wrote the ending first since it's technically a mystery and that's how those work.
The other I wrote like you explained.
The last I based on an existing story, so I just changed characters and settings. Aka lazy plagiarism

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>>7430883
For the longest stories, i have planed a definitive ending and some other fews.if i had to cut it short, the rest are good as a side stories or oneshots

>>7430883
>How far ahead do you plan your stories
I had the entire story done (including all major story arcs) and all characters fleshed out with their personalities before I even drew the first page.
>and in how much detail?
I have the main beats written down and a general gist of how those main beats are going to be reached, but outside of that I intentionally don't sweat the details because I want to let my creativity flow during storyboarding.

>>7430883
I have 3 "episodes" made in my head. And I already have the ending done too. But it's all just a general idea, a direction of where I want things to go. The details are made on the go. If I don't have a good idea on how to pogress the story I just don't write anything until I find something

>>7430343
Very nice background and also good pacing on the joke, I loled.

>>7431171
>>7430343
Reminds me of the Futurama opening I, Roommate.

anyone else "Sober up" and lose the drive to draw?

>>7431426
I burn out, but I'm always drawn back to comics.

>>7431426
I get bored of drawings comics but never drawing itself.

>>7431426
Yeah, but only when I dont get a fraction of the attention I get per pound of effort put in.
So how did I find out the solution?
Draw, and never post it to the public

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I am pleased to announce that my art skills are now officially good enough to start working on my comic, Nihiloux's Reflection (formerly Nihiloux of the Black Sun). Admittedly, everything except the story itself still needs some work, but I'm getting there. For now I'm screwing around with shading to find the style I'm going to use. I'm avoiding screentones wholesale because I'm not confident in my ability to handle them.

>>7431637
Congrats anon! Always remember that confidence is key; if you believe that you're going to make a great page, then the chance of making a great page goes up by a lot. The opposite is of course true as well, so remember to be kind to yourself when you get frustrated and always keep your love of making comics in mind!

>>7431637
>I'm avoiding screentones wholesale because I'm not confident in my ability to handle them.
Less is more. If you ever are willing to try them out, take a look at established mangas and see how they are put to use by the artists. Less is ALWAYS more.

>>7431773
Agree. One of the things that always gives an amateur mangaka away to me is overuse of screentones. They'll shade every single little thing and add a fuckton of effects and stamps and whatever the fuck and it makes the entire page look like mud. The big appeal of black and white comics, not just manga, is distinct differences between compositional elements. Even if you look at fully-shaded manga like Made in Abyss you'll realize that they're done with washes rather than screentones to cut down on the busyness of the image and use thick black lines and flat fills to maintain distinction between objects.

>>7426058
clip studio paint just announced their global comic awards contest https://www.pixiv.net/contest/GlobalComicAwards2025

>>7431778
>stamps
?????

>>7431778
Maybe a noob question but what are washes

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>>7431845
Are you asking what stamps are? If so, in digital art stamps are small or simple images or patterns that are applied to a drawing via a brush in order to make drawing certain complex objects more simple. You can often see stamps for things like rocks, trees, leaves, cracks, dust, or other detail objects or effects that intend to make a scene more complicated without adding large amounts of work and drawing time. They tend to lead to amateurish results because they are often overused and the limited amount of images that are provided in any given stamp set often leads to large amounts of repetition that gives their use away, not to mention that they will stand out if the rest of the artist's style or chosen perspective does not align with that of the stamp.

>>7431846
Washing is a watercolor and inking term, so-called because traditionally you would take some of your watercolor or inks, thin it down to a consistent amount of pigment, and "wash" a portion of a page to create a consistent color or shade. It was the traditional way of filling large portions of a watercolor or ink image with a specific tone. Those large blocks of distinct, undetailed, individual ink or color are important for creating visual distinction in a watercolor or ink image, regardless of whether you're working in color or not.

Examples, since I can only attach one image at a time:

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/75/3d/9d/753d9dfb8f1bc9157cd4ea113621dbc5.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gm63WcJXTkY/maxresdefault.jpg

Made in Abyss is done digitally using a Wash style.

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1400/1*jZXQwMI9qFhwitLAZIMDPQ.jpeg

>>7431849
Doesn't washes make it grey? I thought the point of manga being monochrome was to reduce printing costs (hence the usage of screentones). It seems like washes kinda defeat that purpose.

>>7431852
Yes, but it also isn't the 90's anymore. Greyscale manga has been a thing for a long time and has become a more and more consistent artistic choice over time. Digital art has also completely blended the line between coloring, inking, filling, and toning, and with the advent of programs with auto tone conversion like CSP have effectively made them all the same thing. Artists are now free to paint in whatever greys they want and the printer will convert to tone (if they even want to; some books these days aren't even printed with dot matrices because there's no reason to with modern print technology making things more accessible. Made in Abyss, for instance, is printed in greyscale rather than two-tone to preserve the washes and many special or high-quality releases of existing works will do this with increasing frequency as well).

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>>7431860
Forgot the image of modern greyscaling I wanted to post but you get the idea.

>>7431862
>Japan is at the brink of destruction... but Deku won't give up!
Wow, Deku's going to manually restore Japan's birthrate? Somebody get an Ouija board and call Shinzo Abe, he needs to hear about this.

>>7431426
I got my spirit back, reading Stone Ocean did the trick somehow. I keep forgetting that just reading manga is the best way to get inspired to make manga

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Idk what the fuck am i doing with these perspectives anymore but looks cool ig

>>7431746
Thanks, will do.
>>7431773
Oh I'm well aware of the philosophy behind their usage. Part of the reason I'm not going to employ them is because I'm using Procreate. The screentones feature is barebones and I generally prefer the look of crosshatching.

>>7431998
>I generally prefer the look of crosshatching.
Godspeed, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNqJq2lKak

Anyone else found videos from this channel useful?
Kinda short but a lot of them felt like they really made things click for me.

Man, getting put into a mental ward, then having Throne and Liberty happen, then Having P5R sale happen, then succumbing to the Warframe 1999 update, to then get FFXIV DT on sale has fucked up my shit,
I realized my initial plan for my storyline is so ass and retarded I can't handle it anymore.

>>7431862
Anon, that isn't grayscale. It is tone. There might be some manga out there printed in grays, but Jump sure the fuck isn't.

>>7432227
It is in fact greyscale. The pattern on Deku's face and hair is a simple computerized noise texture. These images are made in greyscale and then converted to dot matrices if needed and desired, as I said.

In past eras, screentones were cut and pasted into place. These days, they are digitally painted by the artists and then converted at their leisure. If you don't believe me, you can look up modern process videos by a variety of artists and see for yourself.

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>>7432227
>>7432243
Also, let's not forget, the very first pages of My Hero Academia look like picrel.

They are digital greyscale paintings.

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>>7432243
>These images are made in greyscale and then converted to dot matrices if needed and desired, as I said.
Okay fair, I did miss the point about tone conversion, because that's what I was going to point it out as.

I see a lot of people who look at the manga on MangaPlus and think they're looking at grayscale, not considering that the image they're looking at is far removed from the original drawings seen through the lens of a tiny printing on terrible paper scanned in and cleaned up to look clean white. A gray wash converted to a high frequency dot pattern then printed in a manga magazine just looks like a noise pattern, because the dots are tiny and masked by the natural noise of the paper.

So while you're right... it's also misleading to say that "____ manga is made with washes rather than screentone" because in reality it's a wash that was converted into screentone when printed. It's still a screentone, it's not like the work was printed in any other ink than black.

>>7432261
>So while you're right... it's also misleading to say that "____ manga is made with washes rather than screentone" because in reality it's a wash that was converted into screentone when printed.
It isn't misleading at all. This isn't a thread for printing technicians, this is a thread for artists. The artistic process that is used to create the images found in Made in Abyss and similar works is wash painting. If you want to create work that looks like that, then you need to practice wash painting. Not screentone cutting or cutout layering, wash painting.

>>7432264
>cutout layering
Meant to say texture layering here.

>>7432264
It IS misleading, because if they're trying to make manga for print then their print will look terrible if their original file looks like the end result of the process. You're saying that something is something that it isn't, to somebody who might not know better. That is the definition of misleading.
I don't care for the justification you're using either. If you want to create work that looks like that, you need to be aware that the printed work goes through an additional step. Some manga are fully digital, release and all, only seeing print later (such as MiA), but you're mixing in examples of manga that are printed first THEN digitized. This is misleading. It's a misleading to present two different approaches to production as the same.

And I'd argue that the amateurish approach manga you described earlier, spamming screentones, is no different from using washes. Because in the context of manga, washes are just another method to arrive at screentones. What's amateurish is the execution, not the method. A work with shit values looks muddy and unclear, whereas MiA has much better values, retaining readability and clarity. There's plenty of manga that spam screentones while looking great too, because they know their values. It's the artist, not their tool. To criticize the tool is misleading.

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>>7432278
>It IS misleading, because if they're trying to make manga for print then their print will look terrible if their original file looks like the end result of the process.
Except it won't. As I have already stated, Made in Abyss is not printed with a dot matrix; it is printed greyscale. You are assuming that, for some reason, if someone is unaware of the final step their work will turn out poorly, when that is not the case and in fact assumes that the creator wants their work printed in one manner over another. Additionally, if this is the route of argumentation that you want to take, then whether or not something is a screentone is the least of your concerns for printing. You should be worried far more about DPI resolution, proper value scaling within the image document, anti-aliasing settings, and moire reduction for repetitive patterns (which influences things besides screentones). As a whole, your line of argumentation is no different from saying that telling someone to look up inking tutorials to improve their lineart is "misleading" because we are working digitally and thus no "inking" is actually taking place.

>And I'd argue that the amateurish approach manga you described earlier, spamming screentones, is no different from using washes. Because in the context of manga, washes are just another method to arrive at screentones. What's amateurish is the execution, not the method.
This is simply not correct. Both are methods for creating *shading.* Washing in and of itself is not a method for creating screentone. You seem to assume that screentones are an irremovable part of manga when that is no longer the case and has not been for decades. Screentones exist in the manner that they do because they were a cheap and easy way to print, this is true, but the traditional way of creating and using these tones is very different from the modern digital landscape.

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>>7432251
lol that's a color spread that was converted to grayscale for the tankoubon. This is such an incredibly common thing hat I have to wonder if you've read much manga at all.

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>>7432324
I can accept that I was wrong about this one since I personally stick to tanks, but the overall point has not changed in the slightest.

>>7431746
>if you believe that you're going to make a great page
I never do that, because if I do then I'm progressively more caring and afraid of doing mistakes, which leads to hours upon hours spent on the smallest details.
It's nice if it works for you or the person you replied to, but for me it would mean eternal stagnation.

>>7431968
Fuck yeah. Looks sick.

>>7432526
So the plan is to upload bad pages you hate?

>>7432526
>>7431746
isn't all art just gaslighting yourself that you can draw?

>>7432563
If I did that, I would have never drawn anything.
I need to not care about what I do to do through with it in a creative way and even at all to finish it.

>>7432563
No? There's a difference between gaslighting and confidence. Gaslighting is tricking yourself into believing something. Confidence is holding a sincere belief in one's natural aptitude or ability to improve or meet a certain standard. Confidence can be built by setting achievable goals for yourself, meeting them, and then increasing the scope of your goals while healthily acknowledging your own limits. It can be tempered by thinking about what makes expectations reasonable and considering the roadblocks that are unique to your lived experience and remembering that different people face different challenges. "Gaslighting" is convincing yourself that you could lift five plates at the gym when you've only been training for 5 months. Confidence is acknowledging that you've managed to stay consistent for 5 months straight, have made physical improvements to yourself, are growing stronger every day, and have faith that your will is resolute enough to continue progressing. Similarly, "gaslighting" is convincing yourself that you can draw like Kentaro Miura. Confidence is realizing that comics are an extremely difficult endeavor that very few people stick with, that (You) are mentally resolute enough to make a comic, and that you have the potential to learn and grow with each page and are capable of maximizing your skillset to create work that is to the best of your ability each time, and that doing so will grow your skills as you progress.

Nobody is confident 100% of the time. But if you are confident more often than not, you will create better work than someone of the same skill level who is almost never confident.

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>>7432528
Fuck yeah thanks
I think its coming along nicely

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Some storyboard panels I'm about to start working on. Moving to infected (but not fully converted) mages is nice as it allows me to be way more expressive with faces. Drawing monsters is way too fun.

>>7432697
I see, my goal is to draw a page today, and I will take my time with it.

>>7426334
I found it boring.
Shirobako I liked, but it's less about drawing and more about how a professional team works together to get an anime done,

>>7427713
>>7427747
thanks for sharing this with us.
Too many leave /ic/ the very moment they got good.
Don't forget your roots.

>>7433062
Wasn't it that before in the older days there were some anons that were crazy about stalking and harassment for anyone that got into the industry?

how do I learn paneling

>>7433142
Do the boxes portray what you want portrayed in terms of a sequence of actions? Is your reader's eyeballs being led properly to what you WANT them to see?

>>7433147
I've never done paneling or storytelling before, only anatomy studies

>>7433147
>>7433148
especially what you said about sequence of actions, I've never done that before

>>7433148
You objectively cannot go wrong with a series of rectangles and squares. It can be rather monotonous to have no variation, but it WILL do the job. If you want something more interesting, look up famous manga and see how theyvdo paneling and whether the paneling changes depending on the subject matter (i.e., meeting friends at a cafe versus a fight scene). See whether the paneling changes to draw focus to something in addition to the scene itself. Everything is a subject that can be studied including meta-material such as the paneling itself.

>>7433153
something I've been thinking of doing is watching a movie, and try to draw an scene using manga panels
is that a good study?

>>7433157
Well, what you are essentially doing when you are drawing out a scene, any scene, is acting like a director. What is being shown? HOW is it being shown? Lighting? Angle? Is it from a specific POV? And so on and so forth. Movies dont hurt so long as you are actually taking mental notes about how the scene is being portrayed and not passively watching IMHO, but you may get better mileage via studying mangas that deal with whatever subject you may want to also do. Toriyama in DB for example has always done a pleasing job with his paneling and making your eyes naturally gravitate to the next panel seamlessly.

>>7433161
good, do you have any video/book resources to learn?

>>7433186
Making Comics by Scott McCloud is always a good first primer IMHO. He talks about all aspects of making a comic both western and eastern. Just note that no matter what though you will eventually have to just make the comic, warts and all. Making mistakes is how we all learn, AND THAT'S OKAY.

>>7433190
thanks
just before I go, I was not thinking about making manga or comics, but doujinshi porn >:)

>>7433192
Doesn't matter, same principles of storytelling still apply regardless of subject matter. At least three other anons here are already making porn, one of them professionally. Now go anon, go and draw to the extreme.

>>7433142
>>7433148
>how do I learn paneling
>I've never done paneling or storytelling before
By changing that. It's not something you learn before doing.

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Too deeply enrage for stupid decisions, that i haven't been able to do any good progress, so can anybody talk about posting plataforms which one is better and in which kind of format to post? I need something to distract myself or i'm gonna kill so few fuckers

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>>7426672
How about Patreon?
Or Fanbox, or other websites alike?
Is it even plausible to sell doujin there?
By "doujin", I mean "comprehensive" works.
Not those pin-ups with variants that 99% artists do.
Or short 1-4 manga like Terasu / Ahemaru / Mamerakko / Ankoman / etc. do.
Or "CG sets" like what HexD / Iwao / pepper0 / Sincos / etc. do.
I feel uneasy imagining that my patrons might feel like they're being diddled because I'm only posting bunch of WIPs, and no any new work come out every month.
Unfortunately, general people just don't fathom how much time-consuming sequential art making is.
Even just 19 pages of doujin can takes months for me to finish.
And I don't think it would change significantly even if I could do this full-time.

I’m curious, has anyone ever outright cropped multiple different pieces of artworks to come up with a character design? Like the head of one character, the shirt of another, and the skirt of another, etc. Does that have a name besides photobashing? I remember seeing a Twitter post that did that sort of thing, it seemed interesting.

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>>7433489
No. That sounds like it defeats the point of coming up with original characters.

Reminds me of a great album though. you could do just that by flipping through the pages.

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>>7426693
>You'd be better off taking comms.
Do people really make money out of commissions?
Because, pic related is what is on my mind when thinking about taking them.

>>7432779
It's hard for me to read the page. Might pose an issue.

>>7433557
>20 hours per page
>36 hours per commission
The fuck?
Just finish things faster, holy shit.

Yes, of course people make money out of commissions. If the comms are cheap then finish them quick, if the comms are expensive then you can spend tens of hours on each one.
If you're in this thread then I'm guessing making money off your own work is preferable to being paid to draw somebody else's though.

>>7433557
>I'm an artist, I will do commissions to pay my bills and not anything else because it is humiliating.
What a gross mindset. Only a French person could be this much of a larper.

>>7433557
pic related is such a whiny fuckwit.

If the scenario is that you actually do get commissions it's a good life.

The real problem is getting commissions reliably.

>>7433669
I think he's just mocking that attitude. He still is a larper, because he paints a great scenario as something bad (which he does with dishonesty such as taking 36h per commission as the other anon noted)

>>7433634
Any specific pointers?
Alright. I will finish page first, if it deems to unreadable i'll redo panel even whole page if needed.
I can still tweak here and there panels a bit and adjust some things if needed

>>7433686
I don't think he's in a great scenario if he's struggling to pay his bills, he's just facing reality. I just can't stand creatives who think they can treat art like a regular 9-5. Your finances are going to be jank, that's just how it is. It's like getting into combat sports hoping not to get injured. He's complaining about the cons without acknowledging the pros, probs cause he's a bored fag who isn't all too passionate about his work.

>>7433725
>I just can't stand creatives who think they can treat art like a regular 9-5.
There are definitely tiers to it. If you're famous enough to swim in merch sales or patreon money then you absolutely can. If you have a stable industry job then you can for the most part as long as you have in the back of your mind the thought that you're in a work-for-hire industry and will have to bank money to withstand a potential jobless stretch while you look for a new gig.

If you're doing art commissions on the internet you absolutely can't do this unless, again, you're super famous.

if you look at popular manga, most famous panels are just simple boxes with little art inside. It seems random sometimes between like 3 choices of panel. Long vertical panel, half page panel, or tiny box. During fights the panels get bigger but the idea of your eye being guided around seems like a made up concept because most of the time you see fight scenes being a random gallery of closeups and limbs.
Japanese seems to have an advantage over english because their speech bubbles can be vertical, creating taller panels which look cooler than horizontal landscape panels, and when you read translated manga you can see they have to really cram the english into the tiny speech bubble, creating that look that tells you its a real manga.

>>7433731
>famous enough to swim in merch sales or patreon money then you absolutely can.
Man, if I was a 1M followers, 50k a month patreon guy, I'd abuse the hell out of my fans. "Sorry guys my long covid flared up and my cat died. No update this month :("

>>7433758
You joke but they actually do this.

Honestly as much as I love doing art and as comfortable a position I am in in terms of my living situation, one of my personal blackpills has long been seeing just how many people are willing to pay for porn / coomer patreon art and how many people aren't willing to pay into the patreons of people making comics or story-based animated shorts.

>>7433738
>the idea of your eye being guided around seems like a made up concept because most of the time you see fight scenes being a random gallery of closeups and limbs.

Fight scenes have nothing to do with it. You're just over thinking/overcomplicating what guiding the eye means. It literally just means readability and legibility in comics. One of the easiest ways to lose your reader is if they have no clue where they're supposed to be looking next. Guiding them through the visuals is just a way to make it subconsciously easier to tell your readers where to go.

Fight scenes are meant to be exciting, so you often draw only a couple panels, per page, or just have the whole page be action anyway. If anything, fight scenes are even easier, since you can use arms and legs as literal arrows to guide the reader's eye to what you want them to see next.

Besides, not every manga or comic is going to have fights anyway...

>and when you read translated manga you can see they have to really cram the english into the tiny speech bubble, creating that look that tells you its a real manga.

Most of this just comes by nature of how Japanese functions as a language. You can read it either vertically or horizontally, and in writing it is done more vertically. You can also express far more in far less space. Sometimes, just a couple of kanji can express the same idea as what would be an entire sentence in English. Not really a whole lot that can be done about that.

>>7433781
>One of the easiest ways to lose your reader is if they have no clue where they're supposed to be looking next.
Yeah I get that. There are actually some comics that I can't understand wtf is going on, one piece is sometimes like that. Maybe I'm just face blind or something. I think composition within panels is more important anyways, and you just can keep it all in regular boxes.

>>7433761
Retarded faggots with low standards are probably the deadliest blight on the art scene. Even within the porn scene there are dudes who should be making comics but can't because they're stuck making "65$ waist up, flat colours" slop.

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>>7433557
>32 hours of work for one commission
Are you a 75 year old Italian woman?

>>7433521
I get what you mean, but I feel like a lot of original characters are already putting together a bunch of concepts you've seen before. This is just a more "consistent" way of doing so. The assumption, I think, isn't that you keep the design elements 100% everywhere, just use it as a basis for something new. Of course, this might be a better tool when you don't have much of a concept for what you want to draw, rather than when you know what you're going for.

>>7433817
>dudes who should be making comics but can't because they're stuck making "65$ waist up, flat colours" slop.
this hit me hard, I'm in this hell right now. I often dream that if I somehow got a million dollars, I would just make comics all day. Currently I spend so much energy drawing other things that any time I sit down to work on my shitty comics, I'm intentionally throwing money away pretty much.

>>7434249
I'm a curious "beginner"(I'll spare you the details, I'm just slow), and I need to ask you something.
Do you think there is any improvement you can make to your art, business strategy, pricing, marketing, or anything else that could potentially lead you to "do whatever the hell I want" money?
What is your "absolute"?

>>7434271
I don't know, if I did then I guess I'd do it. Becoming big enough in 2025 to make serious money with art is different now than ten years ago. If current me went back to 2015 then I bet I'd be killing it on patreon.

>>7434277
I'm not good, but if there is anything I've learnt over the years, it's that I will feel defeated at every single step of the journey, and that every single time I thought my skills were at their limit, it was always incorrect.
The only way is forward, and the only that lies ahead is what you could never dream that you'd accomplish.
It's been proven factual every single time.
Please, don't let yourself stagnate even if there seems to be no way forward.

>>7434249
I pray for you, anon. I don't know how you do it. I've had people give me the usual "just draw furry porn." But I wouldn't last one day before I start telling commissioners to kys. Also don't call your comic shitty, I can tell it's good without having seen it.

>>7434291
I won't give up, its a lot easier to make time for comics than it is to draw comics full time and "make time" for commissions.
>>7434384
Maybe I exaggerated how bad it is, I enjoy and appreciate the opportunity to draw and make money drawing. I just wish I had the energy to do both.

Bros wich publishers would you recomienda submitting to?

>>7434402
As long as you're having fun. Also I'm curious now, could you post your comic, if you wouldn't mind.

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>>7434404
Is submitting your work to publisher still the foremost favourable choice of manga artist nowadays?
I mean, with the advance of digitalization, everyone now can publish and sell their manga on the internet.
Like in BOOTH, DMM, or DLsite for example.
I see quite a few number of artists making a bank there, selling 10k per work while doing less work than your average mangaka.
Why torture yourself by going through hell of unforgiving rejections after rejections, years of years of grinding for a bleak chance of serialization, just to your have your debut work cancelled in just number of months.
Why bother?

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I thought on my days free from study I would dedicate myself to finish the new chapter but I lost all motivation. It seems that drawing in the free time while I was busy with something else was my motivation all along.

>>7434438
if that's the case then why don't you just make something to sell on those platforms then?

>>7434438
>Is submitting your work to publisher still the foremost favourable choice of manga artist nowadays?
Fucking yes. Yes it is. Having now done both, I can safely say FUCK SELF PUBLISHING. There's a myriad of reasons working with a publisher has been so much better than fucking around on my own, money and stability among them.
>I see quite a few number of artists making a bank there, selling 10k per work while doing less work than your average mangaka.
Most of them built audiences with publishers. There are some that didn't, but they needed to either get lucky with their work becoming popular on its own or bust their ass for years in obscurity before the income from self-publishing became self-sustainable. It isn't any different for them than it is for us, they just have options for publishers.
>Why torture yourself by going through hell of unforgiving rejections after rejections, years of years of grinding for a bleak chance of serialization, just to your have your debut work cancelled in just number of months.
Because the hell of self-publishing is just that but more.

>>7434446
>$10,486
>157 backers
>averages to $66.78 per backer
>max backer pledge on the Kikestarter is only $60
What's going on here

>>7434425
I dont have anything to show yet, but if I do it'll be anon and unrelated to this discussion

>>7434537
I've been keeping an eye on AI projects on KS for a year or two, and most of them fail spectacularly, often not even getting any backers at all. There's not correlation between success and failure that I've noticed, with the only exception being if the KS has a ton of images and content, indicating that the project is very far along. This is true regardless of an actual artist, or manufactured assembly line images (AI.)

>>7434446
this kind shit is blackpilling and makes me want to give up to be honest.

>>7434553
Understandable.

>>7434537
KickStarter is weird, I had a little glimpse into that scene and it seems almost bureaucratic. Like you can get absolutely anything funded with the right connections and marketing strategy.

>>7434556
First and foremost is making a comic for yourself. I understand wanting to become a full fledged professional, but at the end of the day if you cannot even make a comic for yourself then why are you making it at all? It can't be just about the money since if that was the main goal all along there are infinite other things you could do instead of art that would be more lucrative (unless you intentionally hopped onto the physical modern art grift/scam train).

>>7434438
I'm the anon you replied to
I absolutely loathe the whole "buildings community thing". You know, accumulating social media followers, vonstantly woreying about getting certain amount of upcummies etc... not for me.
I'd rather be rejected over and over. At least some publishers will send back a review that you can use as feedback...

>>7434487
Would you mind going into details? I changed my mind about self publishing recently

>>7434487
>or bust their ass for years in obscurity
I find it funny how stagnant numbers are independently of skill on current internet.(Except for youtube for some reason, none other platform gives me a fair chance)

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>manga making general
Are you sure this isn't the aspiring authors general?

Anos who have translated their works for another language, Did you feel like some comics can only work in your native language and that something was lost in the translation? I dont have this problem with my new work but with my old one the english version is just insufferable and lose all it's charm

>>7435063
Yes but the other way around. Even before I started to draw years ago I've noticed polish is an absolutely useless language in terms of writing a story.
Just do everything in english from the beginning for the wide audience.

>>7435083
>polish is an absolutely useless language in terms of writing a story.
Why? I don't know much about polish language besides that there is a lot of big words like Szymankowszczyzna.

>>7435102
In my personal opinion, the language is pretty stiff. It's good for being precise about stuff, but poor when creating anything with nuance.
I'm pretty sure Szymankowszczyzna would be a place name.
We don't have big functional words unlike germans. Our big words tend to be names of all kinds. Like Brzęczyszczykiewicz or whatever that popular example was.
Honestly I'm not even sure big functional words are good for that either, but I'd have to use their language in writing practice for some time to see how I like it.

>>7434675
>Would you mind going into details? I changed my mind about self publishing recently
Details on what? Or rather, what do you want to ask?

>>7435052
Honestly, I can't say I agree. Skill and perseverance are rewarded as far as I've seen. While it does happen, I'd say it's rare that somebody who makes good, appealing shit consistently isn't eventually rewarded for their effort.

>>7435063
Eh, not really. I don't tend to lean on prose enough for it to be distinctly lacking from a translation. But then again, I've never translated anything I've made into anything other than the intended language. The works I've made in english were made for an english reading audience, and the works I've made in japanese were made for a japanese reading audience. I've never crossed the streams, so to speak.

>>7435156
>eventually
Yeah. Eventually. That's the point.
If you go for years you will win and there is no two doubts about it.
Stagnation period is unavoidable and is depressingly long for almost everyone.
I guess if you're a diving artistic intellect or whatever you might catch fire much quicker, but that's not the case for pretty much everyone.

>>7434446
>fucked up perspective in panel 1
>nonsensical barrel placement in panel 2; also the barrel designs are inconsistent (and in the foreground just plan fucked-up)
>ship design / layout is inconsistent between panels 2 3 and 4; where the fuck is the hold supposed to be? Why is the mast in the middle of the ship for one shot and then towards the upper bend of the ship in the second shot? What is behind the guy in panel 3 and why isn't it on the ships in panel 4? Also, the masts and sails and everything are fucking bleeding into one-another.

This shit looks like fucking ass. A Fiverr artist from the Philippines working for $30 per page wouldn't make these mistakes. The backers are probably all techheads; when this actually hits the comic scene and people find out it's AI-generated it's going to get dunked on six ways from sunday.

>>7435102
poles are the most self hating nation out there

>>7435156
I mean the specific things that made you leave self-pub

>>7434446
>>7435355
Also the fucking moon moves from in front of the guy in the fourth shot to behind him in the fifth shot LOL

Why are AI bros like this?

>>7434500
Kickstarter lets you pledge more than the max if you want since it's a donation program. It's just that if you pledge more than the highest tier you'll only get the max tier rewards. If someone has a max tier at $60 you could still donate, for instance, $100 if you really want to.

Some people will do this if they really believe in a project or want to help someone out. There are plenty of instances of people pledging more than the maximum amount if they really like a creator's previous work.

>>7435106
NTA but that would make sense. One of the things that I've noticed from briefly studying both Japanese and Chinese is that some languages have far higher information density than others. Part of the reason why China has such a massive poetry culture is the information density of their language is massive. When you translate it out into English though, all of the linguistic nuance and rhymes / meter are just absolutely fucking totaled by English's lesser information density. It's just a more syllable-bloated language.

It's also part of the reason why Japanese posters get more out of the character limit on Twitter and why Manga feels so wonky when translated. They can have those tiny narrow bubbles and shove a bunch of information into them because their language is denser than English. Translate it and suddenly you're either editing out crucial information or slamming really tiny text super awkwardly into tiny bubbles.

The one thing that English has going for it though is it has way more synonyms and antonyms than other languages, which lets you be extremely flowery and descriptive if you want to. I think this is one of the big reasons why English has a far bigger *literature* culture than poetry culture and why many pieces of literature and poetry feel stilted and repetitive when translated into it. Considering how massive words in some European and Slavic languages can get and how unruly tenses can become in Romance languages in spite of their higher information density, it may be in the sweet spot in that regard.

>>7435384
>how massive words
>Slavic languages
Not really. You get big words in German and other languages where you can put a lot of words into a new one like Aufmerksamkeitsdefizitsyndrom - attention deficit disorder. If you could do it in English it would look like this - attentionsdeficitdisorder.

>>7434438
>>7434487
I don't think it's really about "self-publishing versus publishers." I think it's more about the avenues you can use to push your work, and a lot of those are either going to be more *challenging* with one route or the other or completely *locked off* in one direction or the other.

For instance, with publishers unless you get a very favorable deal you're probably going to lose the rights to at least a few things. This might mean that you can't just spam your work wherever you want because your publisher is going to want the rights to reproduction, or it might mean that you can't create or release certain derivative works yourself. This might limit your ability to reach out on a personal level.

On the other hand, there are lots of avenues that publishers are either just better at pushing work through or can *only* push work through. Lots of award circuits, for instance, *require* that a publisher be the submitting entity. No publisher? No award publicity. Additionally, things like trade shows or bookstores will often communicate with publishers more favorably than individual artists, which can influence things like what bookstores will carry your books, and how prominent your work will be at conventions. Much more people are on the publisher / business-only trade show floor than wandering around artist alley, which tends to be the only slots that individual artists are able to purchase unless they're a big name in and of themselves.

>>7435393
To my understanding there are quite a few words that describe singular concepts to which there are no direct / singular translations in English, particularly in Russian, but as I don't speak these languages I may not have as much of a nuanced view as someone with more direct contact with them.

I signed up for a doujin event in May in Tokyo, and I would like to release a manga there. I'm not at all experienced with manga and this is my first work, so I'm not sure if I can deliver a satisfactory product, but I hope that having a set scope and deadline this way gets me drawing and learning a lot till the day I deliver.

>>7435530
Is this online or in person? Are you currently in Japan?

>>7435535
In person. Will be travelling. Gonna get it printed stateside then carried over in a box. Should be okay since I'm expecting low volume.

>>7435364
Shit/no/unstable income, as I mentioned. Needed to find a way to get paid a page rate.
The sheer simplicity of it helps a lot. Before I had to worry about so many factors outside of just making the comic. Now I know that's all taken care of so I can just focus on the work itself.
Having a professional editor (coworker, not boss or employee) whose income/success is also somewhat tied to your income/success is something I've thought of as indispensable for a long time. Well, I was right. Working with an editor is much, much better. Now whenever I'm second-guessing something about the comic, I can just ask for my editor's thoughts on it. And having somebody I can trust to say "this part isn't very good, let's do this and this to improve it" just takes a whole dimension off the mental stack because when they're *not* doing that then it must be because it's fine as is. Takes a lot of the self-doubt and guessing out of it.
Then there's the ego boost as well. It's nice to have hard, undeniable proof that somebody out there is not only confident the work can sell but is willing to put their money where their mouth is. In self-pub, there's no such self-confidence boosts until the kickstarter is funded or whatever.
Also, I hate playing the social media rat race, and I don't have to do that with a publisher. Ironically now that I don't have to give a fuck about socials I've suddenly gotten a lot better at them though.
There's probably more I'm forgetting but that's what came to mind right now.

>>7435397
Well, yeah. That's true.
Though I don't know how much of a factor the whole "predatory publisher deal" element is with manga specifically. My publisher just gets the distribution rights for a set period and that's it. All that means is that I can't go posting the comic in its entirety myself, because that's their job. I retain full rights to everything else, and by my understanding this or something like this is pretty much standard in manga.

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Why do you do it anons? Why work so hard on something that (most likely) aint gonna give you any monetary or social benefit?

Not trolling, im thinking on join you but, logically speaking, it doesnt make much sense.

>>7435868
It's not about the deal being predatory so much as it's about being able to push and publish it wherever you want. Most publishers unless you work out something specific aren't going to allow you to, for instance, put your stuff all over mangadex / MPC / webtoons / your personal website / whatever, which while good for (You) in terms of exposure may not necessarily be good for the publisher in terms of sales. So in that regard you're relying almost entirely on *them* to push your work and if they do a bad job or relegate you to a lesser priority you're a little bit boned. Even in a generous publisher deal you're reliant on the publisher for the portions of your rights that you give away, though the beneficial tradeoff is that you have more connections and money and people working to push your work. The detriment is that if they fall short on any of those efforts, you contractually can't do it yourself.

>>7435882
Is easy to post on mangadex?

>>7435873
Because telling a story is more fun than mindlessly drawing whatever.

>>7435873
Because it's fun to tell stories and draw things in a way you think is cool.

>>7435932
You have to ask the site mods first and if it's too low qual / western-looking they'll likely deny you. I think I remember hearing at one point that they also have partnerships with some other posting sites and will take their top content and put it there also; I have some friends that got on MD that way.

If you have or quickly gain a following you're more likely to stay. Dog Nigga has been up there for years now.

>>7435873
Because I need a creative outlet and my actual job pays well enough.

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>>7435873
I started because I felt like my life was meaningless and I needed something to give me purpose. Eventually I started getting my hopes too high and now I'm hoping to make it even though my art is shit and I have no discipline to draw everyday. I don't think I'm stopping so soon, if ever.

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>>7435932
Yea, just message a mod in the discord, and they'll tell you what you need to do. It's been a while, so i don't remember much.

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>>7436055
I gotchu bro

>>7435873
My life have always suck and i will keep sucking until the end, so i rather do something i want before... you know

I wonder if would be cool if we link the work of the anons in the next threads

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Alright i'm doing a second version of my first chapter and i jumped from 56 pages to 78 pages, there is like 6 or 7 pages of new content the rest is rearranging the panels to spread the text more evenly and add some in betweens in some scenes...
Is 78 pages too much

>>7436196
Redoing that much shit is going to be a huge waste of time. Don't fall into the trap of redoing the same chapter over and over. Its a novice mistake that way too many people make. Just use it to learn from for your next project or chapter, instead of getting yourself stuck in a cycle of doing the same chapter over and over for the next few years.

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>>7436218
I'm sorry, but i already promised a new version of it, besides in the manga plus creators mail i got last time, it implied that they only take the first chapter to consideration and i want my second round with them

Also as i said, is like 6 or 7 pages worth of new content, the rest is just reshaping and relocate some panels

>>7436224
>it implied that they only take the first chapter to consideration and i want my second round with them
If they didn't take it the first time I'm not sure why they would take it on another go-around.

Why not just move the story forward and make the remainder the best that it can be? MPC's "reward" is just publishing you on the main app; that's it, that's all you get. It's a completely unguaranteed publicity bump that you can easily earn yourself by having strong follow-up chapters and marketing them.

>>7436228
Oh, i'm just doing it more because i was to coy on the first try, the mpc thing is more for a plus

>>7436196
Too many pages, you need to trim that down

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Any idea how this mangaka gets this grainy effect?
It's gotta be some weird screentone, right?

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>>7436743
You mean on the monster-looking thing? That's a charcoal / pencil rub on charcoal paper that's been scanned and reproduced.

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>>7436748
it does look like charcoal showing the grains of the paper but, I don't know. something about it seems strange. could just be the reproduction process though, you're right.
must have been a pain to do.

>>7436753
The strangeness probably comes from the dataloss needed to up the contrast for printing. And yes, it was likely very time-consuming. Just because a style is simple doesn't mean that it's fast or easy.

>>7436753
It looks that way because it's monochrome. It's like if you did a charcoal drawing, then xeroxed it, it loses the grey tones and just becomes either black or white

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>>7436518
I thought so, but now let me ask you something else...

Would you rather pages with smaller and more panels with it, or pages with few and bigger panels on it

>>7436780
It sounds like you need to just cut some of your content instead of adding more. What exactly happens in this chapter?

>>7436780
depends, newer manga have like 3-5 panels per page old manga had like 9-11(a tragedy) if the story is very heavy with story it might be better to have more panels, check out some old and new manga that are the closeest to your story and see what looks better to you

>>7435988
Not gonna lie that "western-looking" got me mad.
I do love manga/anime, with a caveat that only those with unique artstyle and then a fun story, which essentially means I hate manga/anime aesthetics but some of my fave series are technically counting as ones.(DB and JoJo for example)
Honestly even OPM passes it for me with it's unique use of graphics. Generically manga/anime characters don't hurt my eyes as much in it as normally.
I also like some of the "old school" styles, but not that many either.

Biases aside, where do you publish comics(including manga) otherwise? Are there any more open platforms for it?

>>7436757
>>7436767
thanks.
I do love whenever charcoal/graphite get incorporated into manga. it just happens so rarely that I always have to look into it.

>Decided to post my work on mangaplus
>Only comments to promote their work
>It's not even organic they fucking copy and paste in every other work
>One calls the story "horrific but in entertaining way" and still promote his work
>His work is more beg than mine and yet won some month award?
I feel offended. Well at least there is some quallity work there if we exclude those beggars.

>>7436791
Im doing changes based on this critique i got https://rentry.co/7r9hxrqs


>>7436794
Already did that and i went with the 9-11 panels set before, but due to somes opinions i started to believe that would be better spread them out

>>7436894
Someone's critique isn't a replacement for the actual work. Again, what actually *happens* in your chapter 1 that demands it be this long?

I wanna make a manga but I can't really draw. just do low-accuracy copies of manga I like.

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>>7436904
You didn't even read the link, there says a lot...

but anyways is kinda long to explain, and i kinda don't know what you want me to explain (sorry, i'm really sorry this is me just overthinking how and what to explain here)

>>7436803
I remember one episode of manben where the mangaka used diluted ink and he after scan it to use them as greytones

>>7436914
>just do low-accuracy copies of manga I like.
Have you read the shonen jump.guide to make manga? That's actually one of the things they advice to start, so you just keep doing that, at some point you will nail that...

Think more of it like your training wheels, at some point you will start drawing things on your own and will be like when they release the bike without wheels anymore

>>7436933
well it's not like I can just make a manga by copying out figures and drawing my shitty OC characters' head on them or something

>>7436800
Either I count as not "western-looking" (lol), or they're not too strict. (Oswald anon here). I'd say just ask, worst they can say is no. And if I got in with my junk, then the bar is pretty low to getting accepted. Also, check out deathco if you want a manga with a different artsyle!

>>7436923
>You didn't even read the link
Yes, because I didn't ask what critiques you got. I asked *what is happening in your story.*

Do you not have the work posted anywhere to begin with? If you can't summarize what's happening in the *first chapter of your work* then that's already an indication that you have too much shit in it.

>>7435873
it makes me happy, that's all. There's no other reason to do something.

>>7436914
you dont need to know how to draw, you just need diligence. Even if its just stick figures, you still need to put hundreds of hours into it.

>>7436946
why not

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What would be considered a "successful manga" for a self-published nobody?

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>>7436952
Well... is just that i really suck myself, but the thing is that the first chapter was to show how the world was really chaotic and how the protagonist had to deal with it
And now i past for a firm 9 panels per page average... to 6 or 7 per page

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>>7435941
>>7435943
>Because its fun

.. well, at least is not damaging. And besides. it could be a form of meditation or mental exercise i suppose.

>>7436055
>>7436120
>because i dont have anything better to do

Not want to be mean, but you probably would be better switching doing manga for lifting and going out and talking to people.

>>7435999
This one is the interesting one. Can you elaborate?

>>7437296
How are you giving the reader that impression? What exactly is it that's tough about the character's life in the world do you want to get across to the audience? Why does that material require 78 pages? Is that ALL that happens over the course of this part of the story? Do we not meet any other characters? Do we not introduce any essential conflicts? Do we not learn anything about the main character as a person?

Unlike writing, comics can be an incredibly dense medium anon, and the reason for that is that you can show things in addition to telling them. For instance, showing a main character giving money to a poor person in a slum not only tells us that there are lots of poor people in the world of the story, it also tells us something about the protagonist and how they interface with that reality. What is it about the world and the character's struggles that's simultaneously so important and incapable of being compacted that it requires 78 straight pages to be communicated?

>>7437319
Do you not have any hobbies? It's not that complicated of an issue.

>>7437319
I already workout.

>talking to people
I'm never doing that.

>>7437319
My day job pays well enough in that it outstrips your average artist's annual salary of approximately $68k to $70k. Hypothetically becoming a full time artist would thus very likely involve a serious pay decrease and for obvious reasons I have zero intention of allowing for that. Therefore by keeping my current situation I am able to make my comic at my own pace a bit every day and feel happy that I can provide for myself yet have the time I need to express my inner artistic desires.

>>7437330
NTA, but I think some manga really needs to have more pages to get the benefit from the theme they want to convey. This is especially true with thriller and suspense genre.
If one to decide to adapt Inglorious Bastard or any other Tarantino's movies into comic format, I don't think low number of pages could do them justice as Tarantino loves to slowly build up and stretch the band of suspense before finally releasing the pay off.

>>7437485
Anon, there's a pretty distinct difference between using some extra panels and pages for suspension and payoff and spending a whopping 78 pages on a single piece of information.

>>7437500
*squints*
Is the bottom there a cock bulge in the girl or...?

>>7437502
There might be.

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>>7437330
>>7437498
You make it sound like if you thought the whole first chapter is about exposition in one scene anon...

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>forgot to count the cover and the 2nd page too
I might end up with 82 pages in total

>>7437550
keep your 78 pages, there is a reason why the "le 100 page manga epic" that somehow all rookies want to draw at first is a meme and I don't care enough to stop you

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>>7437375
It is.
Why would you put effort, time and energy on a hobby that gives you so little?

You could choose a hobby that gives you social benefits, health or money.
Making manga most likely ain't gonna give you anything.
And again, not trolling.

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>>7437390
I can definitely understand that, but we are social creatures anon.
The best you will have on this life will be given by another person.

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>>7437467
But why do you "need a creative outlet"?

>>7437587
... because I have the urge to express myself artistically and so I do so via a comic, because lord knows I'm not gonna be able to do that at work?

>>7437550
My brother in christ THAT IS LITERALLY ALL YOU TOLD US.

What the fuck is in your first chapter?? This is the last time I'm asking.

>>7437633
Its the same guy who posted here for months and months throughout last year, asking for help and advice, and took almost none of it at all. I also think he misinterpreted the the review that was given to him in the link he posted here >>7436894
He's been polishing, and polishing, and changing, and fixing, and altering this same one story for ages, and just wants to continue doing it.

I think the best advice, and what he should have taken from that review is to go read some other stuff and see how story, writing, paneling, and all other facets of a comic/manga come together, and really digest that, and then go make another attempt with a different story or idea. Whoever reviewed it actually told him he has stories worth telling which is a good groundwork, but it is the technical and polishing stages that need a lot of work.

Constantly adding and subtracting, and changing this same one one-shot is going to do him no favors, since he seems to be learning nothing at all from literally anyone who is giving him advice.

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Another wip, another day of killing myself with perspective

>>7437252
I think that's up to you, however you measure success. Nobody's going to agree on what counts as successful.
But getting an hdoujin is the correct answer

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>>7437633
I'm sorry i was conflicted about posting my work since i feel that i annoy anons like
>>7437666

Also, i'm sorry to ask, but i feel that it's at least 1 or 2 anons that always say the same to me, and it's hard to understand what they want from me since at least since my point of view i have changed a lot, so i wonder if they are trolling a bit or not

And first i just planed to add like 4 or 5 pages (1 spread, and the rest in add a narration) i still can do just that, but i wanted to give it more room to the pages so people could read it more easily which led to some pages become 2 pages and so on...

>>7437578
Is this some sort of weird Asian mindset? Cause I don't know what to tell you. I've been drawing since I was a baby and I've never questioned it. I operate on wavelengths beyond reason, like I assume any good creative does.

>>7437701
Bro, no one is trolling you. Multiple people have given you advice and critique on numerous occasions, and you got a very thoughtful, well-meaning critique from that one you posted earlier. Unfortunately, it is things that people HERE have told you over and over, so you really haven't learned much or taken anything anyone has said to heart.

The problem is, you keep interpreting that you should just keep working on this same project over and over, instead of taking what you've learned and putting that toward your next project. You tried once, and while it was a good effort, it missed the mark for a lot of people. Adding a few pages and rearranging a few things isn't going to fix the issues that are present. You're just moving in circles, desperate to save a project that just isn't worth the effort.

Its far more beneficial to you to just start another project. You can even use the same characters and setting and stuff if these ideas whatnot are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day, it would benefit you far more to have two completed projects that you can look back on, and other people can compare to see how you've grown and changed, instead of desperately clinging to this one project that didn't really pan out quite as well as you were hoping.

>>7437721
>Its far more beneficial to you to just start another project. You can even use the same characters and setting
Nta but this isn't bad advice. I've thought about doing this, trying to restart my work with better art and more brevity.

>>7437701
Also, where did you get this long critique for your work anon? I want that. Did you pay for it? I'd be willing to shell out a few sheckles for thorough review. I dont get this kinda detail from this site

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>>7437721
>The problem is, you keep interpreting that you should just keep working on this same project over and over
Bro what the fuck, why the fuck you think that i would interpret like that, i keep working in the same thing is mostly i have another works that i have started and then started doing other shit without finish them, it was a self imposed goal to force myself to finishing things

That'a why i thought it was trolling, i said something and somehow i got an essay that missinterpreted or didn't listen what i said

>Adding a few pages and rearranging a few things isn't going to fix the issues that are present
I know that, but you should think about it more like missing parts

>Its far more beneficial to you to just start another project
I have a notebook with like 5 oneshots ideas, and another series i want to make, and a few arcs from this series and that one, is not like if i wouldn't want it

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>>7437727
>Also, where did you get this long critique for your work anon?
When i first posted my work, i started posting the link in several threads that i usually lurked arround, and in some i was a regular, and then in one some anon ask me if he could "rip me a new one" and i said yes

>>7437750
Ooh. I kinda wish we had some in depth critiques in this thread for people who ask. You're backdrop anon right? Are those 70 pages a new chapter or a redo of your first?

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>>7437765
Yep that's me, but i won't re arrange all the pages anymore, now i will just add the 2 scenes i had in mind and one spread too, then polish the dialog to practice my english (something i need right now) and the if i have time will add some pages if i have time before valentine

>>7437765
>I kinda wish we had some in depth critiques in this thread for people who ask
Fuck i forgot to reply to this part, and is this because i want a manga making thread on /a/ i feel that anons that read a lot of manga could give that kind of critique

>>7437782
>i want a manga making thread on /a/
That would be nice, but its just not allowed there. Its been tried before, and they just get deleted.

I don't care about ngmis and neither should you

>>7437498
As a reader, I'm very much liking the idea of 78 pages chapter.
It happens so damn often that I'm opening a chapter and seemingly just a few pages away it ends.(main offender being DBS, with it's monthly schedule, pretty low amount of pages and the facts they have gone for a year recaping a movie and then half a year hiatus after which nothing really happened to this day and at this point we're getting like 2 scenes per chapter)

>>7437793
lol lmao even

>>7437796
Yeah I know. Technically an ongoing manga that hadn't had any new content in I think 2 years by this point.

>>7437798
Amazingly retarded, but keep coping

>>7437804
Go on, tell me why any of that makes sense to you.
Feel free to ignore the wildest parts of this entire situation and focus on things that are not inherently a bad thing in a void without the rest.(I know you would anyway)

>>7437793
An earlier rendition of my comic had a 186 page first chapter. I have since realised that that was a retarded decision.

>>7437811
186 does seem very excessive even to me.
Don't worry, I'm not advocating for something insane like 1000 pages chapters.
78 seems in range of doable but it also depends on it's schedule in all honesty. I'm too used to monthly releases.

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>>7437579
I know...

>>7437782
>>7437786
/a/ is like if the worst excesses of /jp/ and /u/ were intentionally mixed together and painted over to look like its own board. I have no idea where they got such a big stick up their ass but yeah they for some reason really hate the concept of anons drawing new things over there that arent just more fanart of [insert character here]. /co/ and /aco/ for all of their many flaws at least allow for user-made original stuff that but /a/ just gets an autistic meltdown over it.

>>7437943
To be fair, the few rare ones that I've seen crop up over the years were received fairly well, but the jannies just delete them. Whether they did it of their own volition, or they were reported who knows, but I'm pretty sure its just flat-out against the board rules there. And naturally, there can be a little elitism over the "You can't make manga if you're not Japanese/live in Japan/etc."

why my drawing skill are notably worse when i draw comics? like i forget how to draw basic shit.

>>7437957
perhaps you're rushing

>>7437957
There are artworks I have no idea how I made and could not replicate them if my life depended on it.
I'm aiming to make it so it's always replicable, but sometimes I'm just in the mood and the art happens.
Try to be conscious about how to draw, remind yourself "okay, I usually start drawing by" and similar info.

>>7437701
>I'm sorry i was conflicted about posting my work since i feel that i annoy anons
Well since you've been outed now are you gonna post your work?

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>>7437872
>Stop jerking off
>Low body fat
>Lift
>Touch grass with other people
>Have a job
In that order.

You don't have to do all that, but doing all that fucking guarantees a happy social life (obvs also a gf).
You can do it anon.

>>7437710
Then your original answer should have been "I don't know why I do this".

May I suggest you to aim to know yourself?

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>>7437624
I learned something about myself today.
Thank you.

>>7438262
>In that order
Damn it's over. I already have 2 and 5.

>>7437952
this is funny. a friend tried to post my work to /co/ and it was deleted by a retard janny who said it "wasn't comics" you can't win with retards so there's no point in ever trying to appease them

>>7438346
To be fair I think /co/ is more correct on this than /a/. /a/ just thinks that you need azn jeans to make manga while /co/ goes purely off of look and vibes and they want a board full of western-styled comics and don't care where it came from. If some Japanese dude made a superhero comic that looked like it fell out of an Image lineup I'm sure it would be discussed on /co/ all day without people bitching about whether it's a "real superhero comic." /a/ is too brainrotten to take things the same way in reverse.

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I don't know what happened between some of you and /a/ but the only time i got call out it was on the wjs when i keep bugging about it, and the only time i got my link deleted it was in the csm threads, other than that everyone was super nice
I think that depends how you deal with the whole thing

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>>7438281
1 is the most important one. By far.

If you really want to peak do carnivore plus intermittent dry fasting and meditation, but this is for peak, is not necessary.

Again, you can do it anon.

>>7438262
But I already have all of that except the social life.
>Stop jerking off
Oh and this too. By coincidence I decided I wouldn't jack for a few days. But that's just beause I want to get even hronier.

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I hope head slams aren't too out of fashion he he. And if they are, I don't care.

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>>7438716
>No social life
How else will she meet you?

>A few days
Every step in the right direction is good, but stopping for just a few days ain't gonna cut it at all.
Just. Stop.

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>>7438262
>Stop jerking off
B-but what if I draw porn doujin?
Honestly, it's really challenging not to. Especially when I'm in brainstorming/drafting phrase.

>>7438787
I think the real issue is the person's nature or mindset. Every man in the civilized world nowadays have the chance to glue themselves to a screen and rot. Why some of them do that and others not? For me, it's mostly fear, insecurity and indifference. To me it doesn't make much difference if I have a social life or not. If I had, what would change? I would be in a better a mood. Better self-esteem. *Maybe* have a relationship with a nice girl... But I don't know... At the end of the day I'd still be the same guy I am now. Maybe I could live longer... But that's it. Either way, I'm not capable of changing. I lack the strength, courage and will to do so. And I'll never change until I get that.

>>7438810
Not him, but I just use my imagination.
>But horny
I'm having so much fun drawing, I forget to get horny

>>7438787
This stuff is straight bullshit with no proof and if you believe anything in that image I have a great pump.fun portfolio for you.

Jerking off doesn't do jack shit to your pheromonal attractiveness or any shit like that because as we all know there are dudes out there busting a nut in a different girl each night and they aren't "losing their attractiveness" over it. The real issue is that any mentally well-adjusted person knows that doing nothing but jacking it all day is Loser Behavior and when you partake in Loser Behavior your self-esteem and mood goes down and everyone around you can notice when you're acting like a fucking depressed gremlin. That's all it is. If your esteem and attitude remains high and your drive to do other things remains intact you can jack off all you want and it won't matter, which is how confident dudes can bang every night and still look and pull just fine. Everything else is pseudoscience designed to make people believe that if they just Fix This One Thing they'll be set for life as opposed to putting in the hard work to actually address the core issues of their existence.

If you want to talk about Porn Bad then talk about how it can become an addictive dopamine fix that robs you of your desire to do other things and be honest in the process and say that any hobby full of massive dopamine hits like that (drinking, playing videogames, adrenaline seeking) produces the same desire-stunting results. Your problem isn't jacking off. Your problem is that you're a depressed fuck with no skills that doesn't want to do anything.

>>7438848
This.

Are any of you life coaches going to post a drawing or no?

>>7438857
Kek

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okay I redid some parts of the first page

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and i finished the second page

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>>7438810
Want to peak or want to stay the same anon?

>>7438817
By your own word your life would change.
>Either way, I'm not capable of changing
Either you say you can or you say you can't you will be right.

>>7438848
Not in the mood to read angry addict words

>>7438863
>Not in the mood to read angry addict words
Cope. NoFap dipshits are the most annoying of their ilk. Worse than vegans, worse than cyclists, worse than crossfitters, worse than fucking runners. Go talk about your """superpowers""" on reddit.

>>7438860
>>7438861
Nice work brother
Meanwhile I spent the past 5 hours of work battling to get a pose.