>homeschooling banned in germanysurprised me. what about your country?
It's fairly common here, there's state certified homeschool curriculums but I think you don't even have to follow that it's just if you want your kid to easily go to high school or college after
>>201313911You cannot indoctrinate the children well enough if they are not going to school.
There was a girl in my high school that was partially homeschooled and they made a special schedule for her so she only came in 2 days a week. She was fat and ugly.
>>201313911no idea but I don't think it's legal 2bhchildren going to school is obligatory as far as I know
>>201314056Bad Sweden, bad!
>>201314141homeschooling is absolutely retarded thoughpeople in general are just awful at raising their kids, not to mention actually educating them
>>201314231American education system is full of brown criminal types even at that young age and many schools just exist to keep kids off the street during the day, off drugs or whatever, they provide no quality education. Smart kids will learn on their own better.
>>201314339t. /pol/ypFor 30+ years public education funds have been on thin ice, teachers are paid nothing, and funds pay the $100k/y salaries of """admins""" instead of fixing deteriorating buildings or buying fucking school supplies. The issue isn't a plague of 12yo psycho killers.
CrazyWe should all strive to replicate the extremely high standard of education in the US
>>201314518Yea we should all brainwash the kids with 50 hours of WW2 movies
>>201314339Schools aren't for learning, they're for socialising.
>>201314231I don't think that, in muttmerica it was usually the stay at home mum that did the job. If a parent is your teacher they can constantly monitor your progress and adjust any issues, in public schools its more of a gamble, teachers are often(in almost all countries but Finland) overloaded with more students than are feasible and not all teachers care. Obviously homeschooling has other disadvantages but it is what it is.
>>201314516Making bank selling useless cloud software to schools though. They pay out the ass for educational software, way more than the salary of a competent sysadmin that could host open source equivalents on site. It's a huge drain on them and nobody talks about it. School districts spend millions on gsuite. None of this is necessary to educate children.
>>201314573That's what homeschooled kids get when their parents are retarded extremists, yes
>>201314578Wouldn't the child be fucked mentally from lack of proper socialisation?
>>201313911it's completely legal but nobody does it , atleast i never heard of someone who did it
Really makes you think.
I've met two homeschooled Americans and it seems awful Both of them had very religious households, they were both isolated and had no friends and they didn't learn anything
>>201313911Many homeschool parents do it because the kid is getting bullied and the quality of public schools might be very low. Sometimes it's to help disabled kids because some districts go out of their way not to properly support kids with neurodivergence or other issues. That being said, many are fundamentalist schizos who do it because they don't want their children to grow up open-minded, critical, and tolerant.
>>201314686How were they like? Did they educate themselves outside the home, or did they know nothing? Also did they socialize normally.
It's not banned but it's something only school dropouts do.
>honeschoolshootings
>>201314773They were panicking about their future, whether they could go to college or not and from what I understood it was very complicatedThe only friends they had were onlineI'm sure if you had some kind of ideal commune full of home schooled kids it'd work but at that point why not hire someone to teach all the kids full time?
>>201314632I don't think they'd be mentally fucked but it's definitely much harder to keep a kid socially healthy when it's homeschooled rather than interacting with others daily in public schools. Like i said, it has its disadvantages too. I just brought up positives because the guy I replied to didn't seem able to picture any benefits to it.
Homeschooling is just incest grooming under a different nameChange my mind
>>201313911I never heard of anyone getting home schooled here. Sounds like a bad idea anyway.With worse education and no socialising you just raise a low IQ autist.
>>201314825>very complicated?Did you interact with them online or irl
based
>>201315144Online obviously
>>201313911Some chud movements like the new emerging "Folkist Settlers" evade that by taking over local private schools and create holiday camp structures.
>>201313911I dont like pozzed globohomo curricular either but wouldn't homeschooling turn you into an asocial freak?
>>201315356what a coincidence that the only people who desperately need homeschooling are people like this, hmm
>>201314966Yeah, it can have its benefits, especially if the kid is way above or way below their peers in terms of intelligence. Also the curriculum could be tailored to the kid; the teacher could focus more attention on areas where the kid needs it. In an ideal world, learning would be separate from socialisation
>>201315356>all of them young with many children Why does the gov hate this?
>>201313911homeschooling is retarded and it's not common here in italythe only people that talked about being homeschooled was online and they weren't italians, but they were actual retardshomeschooling is a disease
>>201315356Yikes, where's the diversity?>>201313911WTF Germany>Dirk and Petra Wunderlich had just settled their children in for the first homeschool lesson of the year. Suddenly, with no warning, the full force of the German government showed up to take their children away.>33 armed police officers and seven social workers surrounded the house—threatening to force open the door with a battering ram.>The four children, ages seven to 14, cried in terror as uniformed police swarmed into the house. One policeman shoved Dirk into a chair, ignoring his protests. Then government social workers swept in, grabbing the youngsters and carrying them out of the room with the help of the police.>Petra tried to speak words of calm and comfort to her terrified children, but she couldn’t stop her own tears. She tried to kiss her children goodbye, but a policeman yanked her aside.>“Too late now!” the officer snapped. And in a moment, the police—and the children—were gone.>It took three weeks for Dirk and Petra to get their children back.>And even then, the Wunderlichs were only given partial custody as long as their children attended public school. The German government also seized the Wunderlich family’s passports to prevent them from moving out of the country.>What horrific crime had this family committed to deserve such a fate … to have their children violently ripped from their home by 33 police officers…>Homeschooling. The family was accused of homeschooling.
>>201315790wtf ;-;
>>201315790BACK OFF OR WILL SHOOT YOU, YOUR KIDS WILL SOCIALIZE WITH ZE TROONS AND ZE MINORITIES, WILL LEARN ZE GAYS SHIT OR WE VILL SHOOT YOU
>>201315095>>201315690Homeschooling has equal to or better than outcomes in comparison to public school here in the US by every metric.>but what if the kids come out weeeeeiiiiiiiiird!?Oh no, they don't skibidi rizz on the ohio gyatt sheeeeeeeesh fr fr ong suiiiiiiiiii, unlike the kids who come out of public school weird AND skibiding ohio gyatt fr-ing!
>>201314141I didn't think it was legal here since I've never heard of anyone do it
>>201316266It depends. Some fundamentalist schizos and child abusers use homeschooling as a shield
>>201313911SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR>>201221440>>201221314>>201221161>>201221006>>201209224>>201208267>>201207841>>201207334>>201206777>>201206060>>201201974>>201201243>>201200819>>201195800>>201195025>>201192023>>201188622>>201188352>>201163599>>201162050>>201156380
Most of the people who do it here are religious weirdos who fear their children being exposed to satanic influences like Harry Potter
>>201314612and that's what you get in German schools
>>201313911Homeschooling is allowed here but it's for literal retards and millionaires. Why would you prevent your child from socializing
>>201315790>Suddenly, with no warningTheir post box was overflowing with fines, warnings and reminders. Literally fake news. Lmao.
Notice how it's only thirdies from dysfunctional secondary school systems that support home schooling while all people who live in countries where school systems are functional oppose it. It's almost like the commoness of homeschooling is innately tied to the destruction of a nation's public school system.
>>201316797Damn to which school did you go? In all my time from Grundschule to Gymnasium I've maybe watched four movies (one was Fridericus Rex because my history teacher was a huge prussiaboo)
>>201316645HERRRRRRRA
>>201317011You are talking to some Indian expat who has never been to a German school.
>>201317167No way! :O
>>201317006>Notice how it's only thirdies from dysfunctional secondary school systems that support home schoolingthe only ones supporting it are german and american flags though lmao
cue raucous applause, another freedom eliminated! Germany is on a heater right now, first the destruction of their nuclear energy program and now state mandated schooling industrial complex.
>>201313911It’s not surprising. They want the government to have total control over everything
>>201317416People don't realize the worth of choice, until they have none
>>201317310In case people aren't aware of it Colombia is the only country on the planet next to India that has an institutionalized case system.
>>201317739???you in the wrong thread or something? or are you just butthurt about what I pointed out?
>>201314573We never got to watch WW2 movies, but that would have been awesome. I take it that's a sore subject back home for you boys? Better luck next time.
>>201317739They also have some of the hottest women on the planet, Hans.
If you child is such a monstrous tard that the school system has to give up (which takes a LOT) then home schooling is a possibility, but you're legally required to have observers come now and then (tilsyn) to make sure you actually give the child the best possible education AND that it aligns with the school curriculums. You can't just decide entirely on your own what your kid should learn. And if your child has normal intelligence he or she has to take the same school exams as everyone else. If the parent fails to properly prepare them for that, they're fucked.
>>201313911Homeschooling in America can be as detrimental or beneficial to a kid as their home life allows. Yeah, there's the cultish-type, but some of the kids are highly intelligent, especially compared to our dogshit public standards that we keep lowering for blacks and white trash. They're definitely socially stunted, weird kids though. I guess it beats them saying skibidi and sigma. I leave my kid public school so that he'll hopefully get bullied and get a life lesson out of it.
>>201318217You assume there are never cases where it's the school itself that is horrible and retarded and you want to protect your kids from it>this happens>happened to me>30-40% of schools in the US are like this, big prisons for illiterate retards who bring everyone down to their level while the teachers give up and sit in the corner while force passing them through the grades
>oh mein gott we must reverse everything h*tler has done! Uh… except that
>>201318259My siblings and I were the highly intelligent type. We knocked our homeschool coursework out with ease in like 1-2 hours per day then spent the rest of the day doing normal kid things. We were actually much more interested in picking up books and learning about things independently as homeschoolers. Whenever there were state tests we were all advanced, school work isn't all that hard to learn until like grade 9 or 10.When we went into public schools it was like entering a prison. Overly long demoralizing days, the worst mind numbing coursework possible, a horde of kids who actively hate learning and actively hate on anyone who likes to learn, bringing everyone else down. Coercion of personality, the death of natural curiosity. Do people not realize how much we kill the natural spirit of children by forcing them to sit in a chair for 9 hours per day and suffer the stupidity of other kids they don't even like or want to be around?I think my ideal model is something more like micro-schools, where like 10-20 kids who are naturally suited for one another learn together in more of a homeschooling environment, and are given a lot of freedom to explore what they want.
>>201318298All schools are held to the same high standards here and I can tell you that in 99% the problem is the child, not the school and not the teachers. There are endless regulations and government control to ensure every school lives up to the national goals for student well-being, inclusivity (got to make room for anyone short of downies) and cultural fomentation.
>>201313911>It's common in America therefore it's goodFuck off
>>201317739>>201318099Whats her caste?
>>201318936hiding her bad teeth>many such cases in colombia, naturally hot and curvy but can't afford braces as a kid
>>201313911Homeschooled kids are weird maladaptive retards whose parents forged their exams based on my experiences with them in university. All the ones I knew dropped out in second year if male and first year if female. The girls became hardcore turbosluts during that one year with independence too.
>>201314231>implying the prussian system of raising barely literate cannon fodder is any better
>>201318999Not a very believable post unless you are for whatever reason seeking out a former homeschool kid club in university, I didn't meet a single one at mine
>>201318999>The girls became hardcore turboslutsyes because this NEVER happens to girls in public schools and universities kek
>>201313911Wow.
>>201318967>teethseem ok
>>201319093One was a floormate of mine when I was in residence. Two were in my program.
>>201313911>homeschooling was banned by nazi in1938.germans are still following the nazi rule sneakily.
>>201319257>I knew TONS of homeschoolers in university and they were all retarded and/or became huge slutsI'm not saying homeschoolers are perfect but I'm just saying there appears to be a bit of bias here buddy
>>201313911Honestly, if you saw the state of public education in most of America, you'd want to homeschool too if you had the means. If you're a reasonably intelligent, college educated adult, you could homeschool a kid well enough to get a GED, then send him off to community college. There, he could get his gen ed requirements out of the way and fill in any gaps he might have from homeschooling. The problem with homeschooling is that a large chunk of the people doing it are either Christcucks, people that teach their kids nothing but this "WE WUZ KANGZ" shit, or just flat out retards.
>>201319318I said based on my experiences with them.
>>201313911Homeschooled kids are weird as hellVast majority of people think its terrible here we've just decided that parents have absolute domain over their kids
I would only homeschool my kids if I could hire a private teacher, whose values are the same as mine
>>201314632Yes home schooled kids here are usually freaks
>>201316266>Oh no, they don't skibidi rizz on the ohio gyatt sheeeeeeeesh fr fr ong suiiiiiiiiii, unlike the kids who come out of public school weird AND skibiding ohio gyatt fr-ing!home schooling means the only kids they interact with are on the internet which makes this problem worse
>>201313911In Europe, usually the smaller towns don't have secondary schools, so if you don't want to travel 2 hours on the bus, homeschooling is useful
>>201319479No, it's usually neighborhood kids or sports and other group activities. Homeschooling is closer to how humans have naturally been raised, in smaller tight knit groups with only a few friends and closer parental supervision.
>>201319419Homeschooled kids are unironically geniuses
>>201319523Unless you work in agriculture, why the fuck are you raising kids 2 hours away from a secondary school?
>>201319559Even small centers have their own economy, then it offers many advantages in terms of health and safety
>>201317991We saw Band of Brothers, The Pacific, and Downfall in high school. Also The Matrix for religion class. And made our own movies while studying Macbeth and The Merchant of Venice.Good times
>>201319557kek
>>201314231>people in general are just awful at raising their kidsYou are completely correct.
>>201314339Hey, are you lost? >>>/pol/ is over there
Also worth mentioning that there is some selection bias in that weird people are more likely to do a weird thing like homeschool their kid. If it was normalized you'd see a more representative outcome and there'd probably be lots of homeschool kid social groups so they could avoid social maladjustment too. It isn't exactly natural to force hundreds of unrelated children into the same box for 9 hours a day either, to get yelled at and buckbroken.
>>201314339you offended the brownpipo with this one
>>201319141Those turbosluts hand in their coursework on time and get their degrees at least.
Crazy, some random surpreme court justice wrote a strategic memo on how they have to destroy the American education system because the American empire got spooked by the anti-war student movement protesting Vietnam and now you have Americans advocating letting religious schizos indoctrinate their children and turn them into weirdos.
>>201313911>another 'saudi' xitter screenshot threadthis is an addiction
>>201313911Homeschooling is retardedimagine like migrants from places like somalia or afghanstan raising their kids to be religious extremists also you'd be on the same boat as them as they dont want to send their girls to school so you're enabling the abuse
>>201319642except that there's not a school, which is a pretty important thing if you're raising kids
>>201319908>imagine like migrants from places like somalia or afghanstan raising their kids to be religious extremistsThe do this here and even moreso in Europe thoughbeit
>>201315356Read about them: they settle in dying villages, buy proberty and have around 4 kids per family, who go into education camps to do the same. Rinse and repeat.Their planning cycles are over 200 years, and since they don't commit crimes and are mostly self-sufficent, the state can't do anything. >And the lokal boomerites only defend their villages by putting up diversity crosses.They are now going into the third generation, and since growing in numbers have started to gain attention by media, and attracted offshoot movements like "Anastasia".
btw not surprising at all that its religious right wingers pushing the homeschooling bs in the west
We take religious freedom too farI walked a few blocks this morning to get a bagel and a coffee and passed by two different cults (JWs and Black Hebrew Israelites)
>>201319970How do I join
>>201319988In the Netherlands they managed to get constitutional protections for faith schools that's why the Netherlands has now government-funded Quran schools.
>>201319784The unnatural system that brought global human literacy rates from 7% to 97% in three generations?
>>201320116We have those too tho, a new one will soon open in Neu Münster
>>201320132Peasants and slaves shouldn't be able to read, you see.
>>201313911why would the state allow alternatives to its indoctrination camps?
>>201319970>only 4 It’s over. They should have at least 6 or maybe 8. Also total boomer death
>>201319706Why are you laughing? Homeschooled kids are much more intelligent than the average student in the US and Australia. If you have a gifted child, there's nothing better than homeschooling. Traditional schooling will only hamper them. The socializing benefit meme is literally just a cope by the average intelligence populace.If you know what it's like to be in a private school, you know that: homeschool > private school > public school.Homeschooling is literally just based and the averagebrains don't know this because they aren't very smart, which is why they get funneled into massive education farms
>>201314231>yeah dude, the state who imports millions of turd worlders to replace me and pushes transgenderism on my children is SO much better at raising my kids
>>201314231>people in general are just awful at raising their kidsYou think that a total stranger is better at raising children than their own parents.
>>201320407A TFR above 4 (Africa is at 4.1) will prob. lead to being less self-sufficent.Only the amish and mennonites seem to be able to manage that, fuck knows how.
>>201320511Yes but its like one stranger as schools are institutions also parents still play a much much bigger role regardless its just that school is still neededsee also>>201319908>>201319988
>>201319970Sounds kinda based tbqhimho the west is rising inshallah
>>201320211But how would you post on the funny image board then?
>>201319884Was this the Powell Memo or something else?
>>201320196>>201320116How the fuck?
>>201320585Don’t know about the Amish but mennonites usually buy plots of land and do huge amount of manual labor like farming and carpeting. They use more and more tech tho but since they’re a tightly knit, anabaptist community they know having many children means power and lets them also be self sufficient, meaning no need for migrant labor. Also the more children you have the closer you are to god, be fruitful and multiply
>>201313911as a kid sometimes I met some homeschool kids, they were always weirdos
>>201319884This isn't a surprise. They've been demonizing higher education and intellectuals and going absolutely apeshit at any sign of reform-minded activism from young people. Reactionary pieces of shit.
>>201321011Wtf is his problem? Lack of meds?
>>201313911homeschooling is for pedophiles and jews who desire to fuck their own children
>>201313911Today I shall remind them
>>201322649Now post a chart comparing American homeschooled students to a country whose public school system hasn't bee sabotaged on purpose.
>>201313911yeah we don't want to create another generation of ossie boomers
>>201322649>source:homschooling.com and random media tabloid articles
>>201314141the only people mad at mandatory education are retards who want to create more retardschildren are not your property, proper education is a human right
>>201322853>children are not your property>they are property of the state thoughOdd...
>>201314516reactionaries cannot push their ideas if people are educated, they always attack education first
>>201322649Also the college graduation rate is misleading since it counts only homeschooled pipo that go to college while most of them dont rest of the infograph is just subjective bs this is some prageru-tier propaganda
>>201314573i am sorry the government won't let you lobotomize your children
>>201322886They are citizens with constitutional rights that are protected by law, such as a right to education and bodily Integrity with the state protecting those rights, even if they are violated by the parents.Yes, this is extremely foreign concept to a pajeet like you who thinks children are the property of parents.
>>201322886Could be and should be neither but school helps uncover many cases of child abuse as if a child comes bruised to school they could alert child protection services
>>201314141It's legal for Jews in Sweden. There is a Jewish orthodox family in Gothenburg who home schools all their kids.
>>201318259you can always spot a homeschooled retard because they always think they are "intelligent types" for going to homecshool and always mention niggers
>>201323046Same here with Muslims. They even have their own schools where the only thing they have to do is teach them German
>>201322983Children literally belong to the parents. You are insane. They do not belong to the state.
>>201319298we follow many rules established during nazi germany, as that was an era of rapid progress for the world in generalthat retard is just focusing on the one rule he hates to frame it that way
>>201323081why do you make shit up? where is that happening? do you have a link?
>>201323088Children are full citizens and have legal rights and freedoms, they are not the little slaves of their parents. This is third world mentality. Pajeet spotted.
>>201320132Check out the school curriculum in 1910. 8th graders were learning Latin, Greek, and advanced math that kids now don't touch until 10th grade. They all wrote eloquently.We are all "literate" now but the standard for literacy has plummeted. All we did was raise the floor, barely, while murdering our ceiling and clipping the wings of all of the brilliant kids, who do in fact do MUCH better in smaller more focused learning environments.Retard cattle are cancer for a school environment.
>>201313911Unfortunately not banned here, one of the few instances where we let the rights of the parents supercede the rights of the child.
>>201322886they are humans, humans have rightsyou cannot deny them human rights
>>201323088They are the property of neither they are humansthe parents rights movement mask basically fell off now its obvious that they want to treat everyone underage as pets or objects even
German school unironically sounds pretty brutal, especially since kids are segregated into separate schools based on ability. I imagine German Society is pretty stratified and there’s not much integration between tradies and gymnasium graduates. Plus, if you attended Hauptschule that’s a stigma that will follow you until the day you die
>>201323088children do not belong to anyone, they are human beings with their own rights
>>201323149Now check how many children attended those schools that taught this curriculum dumbass. Spoiler: a factory worker's child wasn't taught fucking Greek.
>>201314141Never heard of any kind of homeschooling here
>>201322948The fucking irony in this lmfao. And communists know that they need iron control of every single living soul all under one, state controlled building so that they can successfully manufacture any kind of consensus they could want while grinding souls down into prole paste.>if people have choices.... propaganda happens!!!!!lmao
>>201323207Any intelligent or precocious child went to school and then university if they wished. What was different was that we didn't force EVERYONE all the way through 12th grade and even into college.
>>201313911Holocaust class is not optional chud
>>201323192Yes, imagine children being seggregated based on performance instead of the income group of their parents. Americans shake at the thought of a meritocratic system instead of a nepotist one.
>>201323212>brings up communists out of nowhereyou have a choice for which certified school to put your kid inyou do not have a choice to deny the kid proper education just because jesus whispered it to you in your sleep
>>201323196>>201323190>>201323145No they are not, you stupid fucking faggots. They can't even survive on their own until they are 12. They are the literal blood, genes, and soul of two people who decided to create and raise them together. The state is the servant, not the people, and the people don't belong to them. Good God I hope your societies implode you are a sick people.
>>201322948Yeah they either make it inaccessible, demonize it, or infiltrate it. Hence the takeover of some colleges by stuffy business-minded people who get rid of books, call police on protestors, try to discourage nonconformism and hippy culture, and sideline fields that entail asking questions.
>>201323240Because those children were forced to work so their family could survive you fucking idiot. Imagine being this deluded about the world 100 years ago
>>201323291>oh this child cannot survive on its own? that means i own itwhat kind of retarded fallacy is thisthe state is the servant to the people, a child is a person with state protections like you
>>201323286You're the one pretending like homeschool of all things is some kind of reactionary scheme. It's an option, for parents who care enough to give their child the luxury of focused learning and education, rather than assembly line style industrial learning. You don't even realize how much of a religious state slave and zealot you are. No one is more religious than the Marxist.
>>201323291I hope you go back to your shithole third world child-abuser country.
>>201323149>people being able to read is le evilChuds should kill themselves.
>>201323322Just because someone is playing referee, making sure people aren't harming one another, doesn't mean they literally own them. That is a patently communist mentality, to think of the state as the supreme overlord and every single soul under it as part of their managerial estate.
>>201323142https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2024/cdu-jubelt-erste-muslimische-kita-in-schleswig-holstein/Sorry, it’s a Kita but VIKZ is planning to include school in the future
>>201323336>You're the one pretending like homeschool of all things is some kind of reactionary schemein the modern world it is>It's an option, for parentsno it is not, it is child abuse that is done for the sole purpose of making a retarded child that follows retardation>muh stateyeah yeah, sorry but this country won't let you lobotomize children
>>201323371In the US parents can literally, marry beat their children and force them to work. Sounds to me like slavery sorry.
>>201323350Being pro-homeschooling is part of the chudcel starter pack in the US. Same goes for being anti-abortion and a few other things.
>>201323367What use is teaching an 80 IQ person to read? Honestly? Please tell me. What wonders and works have they done for the world? This is a common midwit pitfall. They seem to think progress is about focusing resources towards the bottom 20%. It's the exact opposite. You create progress by empowering the top 20% to chase higher heights. The masses of ghetto cattle in urban public schools are never going to do anything of worth, whatsoever. 80% of them are several grades behind math/english levels at this point. It has been a massive waste of resources to force this.
>>201323371why do americans bring up communism out of nowhere online thinking the world thinks like themthe state is not a supreme overlord, it exists to protect the rights and well being of its citizens and protecting children from retarded parents is a top priority
>>201322973Stop pushing this misinformation. Most homeschooled students do go on to attend college, and a larger percentage do than public schooled students.
>>201323431Ahem>>201323367
>>201323418No they can't.>>201323393The hilarious thing is that you're projecting. You know full well that capturing children under your own ideological umbrella is a powerful thing. Which is why you want your fuck daddy to have total control over it and not parents and communities.
>>20132343180 is well within the range of functionality.
>>201323392this shouldn't be allowed, but it's just a daycare and i doubt it will be allowed to replace primary school unless the law is amended
>>201323437I'm just listening to you. "Children belong to the state not the parents." That is one of the most marxist things a person could say. And you don't even realize it. That's how powerful indoctrination is, your culture is at this point now.
>>201314577>Schools aren't for learning, they're for socialising.Opposite here.
>>201323263Being segregated based on ability is one thing, but the future of someone who attended hauptschule is bleak. What kind of career can they expect aside from back breaking labor? Basically glorified slavery with gilded chains.Also>Meritocracy >Implying the German elite don’t bribe schools to get their child admitted to Gymnasium
>>201323431i love how your mask falls off the moment you get dragged into an argumentnot the anon you were arguing with but i can instantly dismiss your retardation now>>201323474noone outside of the united states thinks that education is indoctrination, you only think that retarded shit because of fucking retards who want to create more retards pushing this narrativeeducation is a human right, seethe about it
>>201323431Conservatives are never beating the allegations that they want to retain power by making most of society too supid to know better and funnel all wealth and power to a closed group of inbred snobs.
>>201323485They will be janitors, laborers, call center workers at best. Making no use of any reading past a 4th grade level. The biggest lie we were fed is that we need to spend billions and trillions of dollars forcing every single living breathing soul past the 8th grade, past 12th even. The perfect system allowed everyone a very basic level of education and then allowed failures to fail out and achievers to gather in more pure achiever groups and competitively chase higher heights.
>>201323517nowhere did i say that children belong to the state, you said thati said children belong to no one, and deserve education among other human rights like everyonealso that retardation is not marxist, it's authoritarian which is shared by many systems that aren't marxist including monarchism
>>201323431Lmao, Americans went from I support school choice to 'just abolish schools alltogether' in a mere ten minutes. Incredible how fast the mask drops with those people.
>>201323542The EU generally has stronger worker protections than we do
>>201323431mask off moment for chuds>>201323517>>201323542which country is repealing child labour laws through the state again?
>>201323560What exactly did you think indoctrination was? A big evil mean guy screaming at you? Good indoctrination isn't noticed. It surrounds you and is fed into you gradually. You've even acknowledged it, you know homeschool grants more ideological power to parents. So what does state school do? Exactly.
>>201323563Really? Are they the ones trying to flood the entire western world with 60 IQ niggers? Or how about 80 IQ jeets, Canuck? Trudeau seems awfully bent on making sure every street shitting moron makes it into your country. And you're smug about that? Lmao
>>201323542ive yet to meet anyone whos life is ruined by going to hauptschuleyou've no clue how germany works>Implying the German elite don’t bribe schools to get their child admitted to Gymnasiumactually many of our elites children get placed into hauptschule, it's not that common but it happens they are just rich and can afford private tutors to boost their kids grades
>>201323542>but the future of someone who attended hauptschule is bleakno it's not they can simply decide to stay in school and go to university afterwards, free of charge btw, or they could do an apprenticeship and still aquire a respectable career that is not dependend on a university degreeBtw, a German high school degree is on the same level academiawise as the US high school degree
>>201323588More like 8th or 9th. The rest of school might not be necessary for basic work skills but it's part of learning critical thinking, history, and cultural background.
>>201323627i am not interested in hearing about this invisible indoctrinationmy child being taught to read and write is not indoctrination>you know homeschool grants more ideological power to parentsyeah because it allows parents the power to avoid secular education and push religious or ideological education>So what does state school doprovide secular education based on international standards that study the most effective way to teach a child to functionyou are comparing a public school that is made by studying the best way to teach a child how to be smart and problem solve to a quanic school
>>201323588Holy shit this isnt even trickle down at this point. Its building a resevoir for millionaires and letting the rest of humanity languish in a desert where all the fruits of their labour go into the hands of the rich without any hope of advancement and hereditary castes. Are you an indian?
>>201323604No one said anything about abolishment. The old school system allowed people to drop out, failures to fail, and didn't devote precious resources to the worst, but more to the best. See for yourself. We've never spent more per student in funding, and their test scores and competency continue to drop by the year.
>>201323678amazing, keep going with the mask off showing you do not give a fuck about education but just want to limit it
>>201323696NTAWhat happens to smart kids with autism or ADHD?
>>201323486I mean you could just read the article. If German schools have to close down because there aren’t enough teachers and the existing ones retire, what’s stopping them from allowing Islamic schools who have teachers readily available if they actually teach math, physics and instead of Christianity in religion, Islam? The German gov only cares about more workers in the first place, not what kind of religion they believe in.
>>201323751I doubt you are, you're a firmly indoctrinated and pozzed servant of the mega state. You will never be aware of it because it worked, fantastically. You are now cheerleading the death of options for people. I would call that a stunning success, I could only hope to be so good at what I do that I can get people to cheerlead servitude, control, and virtual enslavement.
>>201323770This goes to paying $100k/y salaries for bureaucrats
>>201323786autists usually perform well in school, ive no clue about people with adhd and their abilitybut if their disorder affects their grades they go into a special school aimed at them from what i know
>>201323720You can't really teach a person to critically think. They're either capable of critical thinking, or they're not. Similar to how some people are just desperately incapable of math and you're never going to get them past basic algebra. The limit is reached a lot earlier than people think for about 50% of the population and it would actually improve our topline scores if we allowed the distractions and underachievers to fail out.
>>201323823You don't want options for people lmfao. You want enslavement and forced labour because the thought of some poor kid being able to learn makes you have a rage stroke.
>>201314141It's legal here? never heard of anyone being homeschooled here
>>201323802normal schools need to follow the curriculum and other standards to be allowed, also normal school does not teach christianity for converting if they want a loicence they need to follow the normal standards, in which case it is no different than a normal school>>201323823buzzwords>You are now cheerleading the death of options for peoplesays the one who wants to deny children education
>>201323876>calvinism but for mathematics
>>201323774I want to optimize it. This is what intelligent people do, they look for optimal solutions, they don't just blindly regurgitate conventions that were fed to them like you. It isn't even arguable that the 20th century west was at its peak. And during that peak education looked different. It was competitive, funding was focused, failures failed out and the elite were empowered. They had their own circles and they competed for intellectual greatness.We do the opposite now, shackle them to the worst, weigh them down, discourage their natural ambition, turn school into a massive anti competitive daycare.
Americans are hilarious, they have the most crooked and nepotist secondary education system on the planet, actually even being worse than the education system of many second-tier countries. It is among the least meritocratic, least inclusive of people with special needs or poor parents and virtually completely depends on the income level of one's parents.Yet, since they have the mentality of temporarily embarassed millionaires they all share the same deluded belief that thes all can and will use all those broken tricks and frauds of their system that only super rich people can afford to their advantage some how.
>>201323962you are not intelligent, i am not reading the rest of your post
>>201323962You yourself acknowledged old school education was pay to play you dumb sperg.
>>201323889>I support all school options for people>NOOO THIS MEANS YOU HATE OPTIONS"ok">>201323948Anymore stupid nigger posts, can you be done responding to me now? We get it you're a communist and you think humans are blank slate creatures that can all be "edumucated" into the same equal greatness. Your experiment failed, your country is abject shit and getting worse by the year, soon enough we're going to need a wall for you too. Fuck off
>>201323945Are you brown or is your reading comprehension just this bad? Are you the cancer Libyan by chance
>>201323876LOL this is grounded in no evidence.
>>201323980Ask this chud what he thinks about legacy admissions and watch him bend over backwards about how actually its le good and competitive. He is just a snob seething his country club got opened to the public.
>>201323987I am and I can tell that I would take a massive shit on you in any standardized test you could come up with. You betray your inherent cattle like nature with your state worship and inherent insecurity towards freedom, choice, and merit.
>>201324030i understood what you are saying, but even if all teachers retired not a single school will be allowed if the law isn't amended even if muslim schools have all the teachers
>>201323863Can they go to university too? Do they get extra flexibility?
>>201324082you are a monolingual
there is absolutele ZERO statistics supporting that homeschooling is bad. All evidence points to homeschooled kids being much more educated than other kids
>>201324043How do you teach someone to think critically?
>>201324101oh that one i can answer for sureyes and yes
>>201324028You do hate options. You hate when options are class agnostic and you especially hate when the gradient pushes up instead of down.
>>201324141clearly noone taught you that or you'd know the answer>>201324140is this evidence in the room with us right now
>>201324117>the same retarded logic, but in two different languages!!How useful. Our spic day laborers are bilingual too.
>>201324189so much for being intelligent, can't even speak a second language
>>201323980>least inclusive of people with special needsThis is somewhat true. Schools are legally obliged to give special accommodations to students with neurodevelopmental issues etc but sometimes they deliberately try to limit how much they help them or advise them.
>>201324140All things point towards students of rich parents that could afford their children to have private tutors outperforming students in countries where public school systems have been sabotaged by those very same people.Amazing. Next up: rich parents' children live longer lives than poor children that can't afford to go to the doctor.
>>201324174Nope. And to your other post I don't support legacy admissions at all. I am a pure meritocrat and optimist. So what is there to whine about with that? I was raised poor, in a shit ghetto public school area. It's highly redpilling from a very early age, no amount of hand wringing from sheltered suburbanites has ever been able to throw me off what I witnessed personally.
I can understand why some parents don't want to send their kids to public schools. I can also understand why some parents prefer public schooling to homeschooling. What I don't get is why some people are so adamantly opposed to other people homeschooling their kids. Why do you care if someone wants to raise their own children how they want to?
>>201324256yes, so whats the issue?
>homeschooling is so common in americathat explains the mediocre SAT results
>>201324141Evidently you wouldn't know.
>>201324179>is this evidence in the room with us right now>>201322649
>>201324287The issue is that the overwhelming majority of people can't and won't afford private teachers, dumbass.
>>201324295there is zero evidence that homeschooling affects kids negativelyin Finland its very legal and you are free to do so all up until highschool and there is zero evidence that there are problems with this system
>>201324179How do you teach critical thinking, really? I mean can you think about that yourself, critically? How do you teach a person to logically pick apart something they're reading, on the fly, dynamically, recognize truths, insights, but also falsities and mistakes? What we're talking about here is just pure plain intelligence and it can't be taught any more than you can teach an idiot to do set theory.
>>201324257You are a weird kind of optimist.
>>201324330are we talking about forcing people to homeschool kids or what are you even arguing against? Of course, homeschooling requires resources.
>>201324257Where did you learn to read and write?
>>201324278Because those things are being used to destroy and undermine universal system. The legality of home and private schooling aren't a consequence or public schools being bad. They are one of the causes.
>>201319908>imagine like migrants from places like somalia or afghanstan raising their kids to be religious extremistsWe don't need to imagine, that has been the case in Western countries for decades whether they send their kids to public school or not. Better to teach your kids yourself in a safe environment than send them to a school filled with migrants and run by leftists who will let said scum abuse your kids (or just abuse your kids themselves).
>>201324089Why? It works easily for said Muslim Kitas, what’s stopping Muslims schools from doing the same of following the basic rules but still holding on to their muslimism? AFAIK we don’t have a state religion
>>201324343The deranged finnish attentionwhore tranny who blogposts here was homeschooled.
>>201324306Please share >>201324370This is one of my favorite memes because the phrases "critical thinking" is whored so often and yet the users rarely understand what it even means. It's an ironic joke in of itself. Information processing ability cannot be taught. It can be sharpened a little but you either have it or you don't.
>>201324442I bet you would know all about that jeet. I know troons are popular in India but you dont have to bring them up everywhere or be obsessed about them
>>201324395From my parents, who were involved in my life and learning and made sure my home environment was filled with books. Separate a child from the iPad screen and stick them into a room with books and they are going to start consuming that instead.
>>201324399>Because those things are being used to destroy and undermine universal system.What the fuck are you on about? Who is advocating for destroying public schools?
>>201324415The only reason why there are Muslim educational Institutions in Germany is because Germany is not a secular country and the churches post-ww2 managed to defend their educational privileges which also apply to any other faith. Btw, the same people who defend those privileges also defend homeschooling and private schools in Germany, so go ask them why they support having Muslim educational institutions. People that support public schools oppose faith schools.
>>201324278Because whether they want to admit it or not, they are marxist-inclined. They are hyper collectivists that believe everyone needs to be put under the same homogenized control structure. Their motivations are varied but it usually comes down to envy, spite, and insecurity. Freedom isn't desirable to them, it's actually quite scary, it means the potential for failure.
>>201324446People with IQ>120ish tend to gravitate towards it but we aren't born with it and still have to practice like everyone else.
>>201313911Left one is cute not in a pedo way.
>>201324580What people practice in school is reading and rote memorization, not critical thinking. If anything school is built around the concept of grounding OUT critical thinking, creating compliant, passive, listening creatures, not thinking creatures. It's hilarious because the last thing public schools are generating is critics.
>>201324519Read the fucking Powell memo and then go from there. Start with the Republican party platform of the same year. When you are done with that and arrive at the current post-Katrina school voucher/charter school era then congrats you are on par with my knowledge of the development of the American education system.
>>201324491Are you a board tourist?
>>201322826this, on google all the sources are pro homeschooling sites and christian sites kek
>>201324658no, I just dont like jeets replying to me about trannies
>>201324343are you half russian, asking out of pure curiosity
>nooooo only state-approved people can teach your children>the state agents have the moral highground and they decided that the average parent is dumb and can't provide a better education than our people >it doesn't matter if you don't agree with such system, any human is a state asset and therefore is born to solely serve its interestutilitarianists are either evil or mentally ill.either wants to create a slave population and is very aware about that or is happy enough to be a slave himself.
>>201324415we don't have a state religion, like you saidwhich is why this is a terrible idea, teaching kids a certain religion
>>201324739welp, in my moms side some of the family comes from Eastern Karelia but thats about it
5 years China completely outlawed private cram and charter schools as well as Implement as system of teacher rotations that ensures the same high educational quality among all its schools.I am happy is always doing the opposite of what China is doing. That's why they are winning.
>>201323891its not legal hereits a false map
>>201324735You clearly dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>201324746There are a lot more slave-brains than one would think. It's at least 30% of the population at any given time and they welcome control with open arms.
>>201324782private schools should be banned and the rich should be forced into public schools so they stop fucking sabotaging them
>>201324645Then you're looking at the wrong schools.
>>201324805shut up jeet
>>201314231The European mind is a curious thing
>>201324980Having a bad public school system that is being undermined by the private sector is one of the biggest hallmarks of turning into a shithole country.
>>201324922I went to one of the best county schools in my entire state and it was still mind numbing. Please spare me lol. Have you spoken to the average person before? And you still think they can be "taught" critical thinking ability. It's like saying you can teach a cripple to run a 5 second 40.
>>201323560throughout this whole thread you make it apparent that you are are a fan of globalist conformism so don't give us that shit about "falling masks", at least the other well-meaning, but dishonest, bastards have the courtesy to sugarcoat their local flavor of ideology and where they got it
>>201324813You mean people with authoritarian personalities? That varies by country. In North America they're about 1 in 4 adults. Curiously, in Germany they're only 6%.
>>201325049No one is undermining anything, private/homeschools mind their own fucking business while public school maximalist zealots constantly try to outlaw their right to exist. Because they make them look bad.
>>201319970Vgh>diversity crossesKek
>>201313911Homeschooling is extremely bad from a nation standpoint. You just create even more wealth/education disparity in your population (public school don't get enough funding while rich parents homeschool their kids with the best teachers), teachers from public schools ditch them in favor of homeschooling as it pays more. You end up with masses of retards and rich kids attending the best collages like right now in us which in long term only widens wealth inequality even more. It is also a massive social risk as rich parents create ideological bubbles with their chosen homeschooling teachers, instead of unified school program and historical narrative you end up with radical left or right homeschooling groups teaching their version of history and narrative on social issues, it's a breeding ground for radical family connected groups.
>>201324653>Powell memoHas nothing to do with homeschooling vs public schooling>school vouchersAll these amount to are tax credits that people put toward their children's education. They only "destroy" public schools in the sense that they force them to compete with other options.
>>201325148I don't know what to tell you. In middle and high school my district taught things like research skills and a bit of logic in writing. That's a big part of critical thinking.
>>201325190More personalities that trend servile, collectivistic, socioeconomically insecure. They advocate for control or "authority" because they want to be put under it, subconsciously. Because nobody ever admits that they want to be controlled they just make it happen in effect.
>>201325329Showing a class something doesn't mean you have taught them. I could show a room full of 8th graders linear algebra and they aren't going to know what just happened. Something hasn't been taught until it has been understood, that's what I mean.
Isnt public school communism
>>201325222Public school funding is always under fire from people with views like yours. Ditto with the disinformation about teachers being le communist groomers.
>>201325300>All these amount to are tax credits that people put toward their children's education.Legalizing private schools to destroy the public system wasn't enough for Americans, so they had to come up with an even more evil system. Take public state money and give it to private schools but give the state virtually no power to have any say or regulatory power as to how those schools are being run. Truly the most evil shit I have ever heard about.
>>201325337The closest thing to that is people with authoritarian leanings. They're the ones deferring to established authority, nothing subtle or psychoanalytic about it.
>>201325401And that's why we teach and administer tests, in that order.
>>201325299>instead of unified school program and historical narrative you end up with radical left or right homeschooling groups teaching their version of history and narrative on social issuesThis is bootlicker logic and inherently antidemocratic. I'd rather have many disparate schools that disagree with each other than a monolith that forces everyone to think and act the same way.
>>201323211>https://www.miur.gov.it/istruzione-parentale
>>201314231Talk to any teacher. By the time kids are in school it's already far too late, people's shitty parenting can't be undone.That said in present day the presence of technology and lack of authentic social spaces will turn you into an agoraphobic sperg
>>201325687Well as I said, from. nation (government) standpoint it's not a good idea. And homeschooling doesn't create big opposing colleges but small isolated radical groups. Recently Denmark has been ramping up homeschooling controls and hiring more people for controls as many chuddie Germans that work in germany left their kids in Danish bordering towns and homeschool them in afd/nazi type educational groups.
>>201313911Everyone likes to argue about the kids becoming maladaptive but it's incredibly easy to avoid if you just enroll your kid in extracurricular activities like sports or arts.
>>201324813>at least 30%
>>201326103>kids becoming maladaptiveYeah it's also not like there are any maladaptive kids in public school either right? Such a weird cope argument that is widely accepted
>>201313911>surprised me. what about your country?I dont know and i dont care though...
Does this happen in your country?
>>201325159>more buzzwordsnot reading the rest
>>201326668poor kid
>>201326668Why are you pretending like there aren't millions of people in public schools who refuse to learn and do nothing but damage the learning experience of other students?
>>201327128That's why they are put in separate classes
>>201327208>put in separate classesYou must be a millennial because they have been putting all the retards in the main classes for many years now + like 2 teaching assistants
>>201324370I forgot the number, but most people literally CANNOT understand contrapositives. You could teach them day after day, night after night, and they would not understand. If it’s raining, I wear a rainjacket; If it I am not wearing a rainjacket, what is the weather?
>>201324117To be fair, second languages are impossible to learn in a school, from a textbook. You have to converse with native speakers.
>>201314339>i can't teach my kids about the bad stuff and how to not get involved with wrong people, so i'll isolate and coddle him until it's adulthoodNice thin-skinned faggot you raising there.
>>201318465>a horde of kids who actively hate learning and actively hate on anyone who likes to learn, bringing everyone else down.I don't blame them yhe school systems pretty much is designed to drain you so that you can accept the shit that comes after school.
>>201318561>99% the problem is the childI really doubt that. Especially with bullying, teachers picking favorites or antagonizing kids or a lot of bullshit within the system.
>>201314141retarded map, it's required by law here that minors from the age of 6 up to 16 go to school and if you don't the police will show up at your doorstep along with child protecting services
>>201328241since when did right-wingers 180'd on bullying?
>>201324370>>201324446>>201327742Most people who teach logic are ass at it though. Same with mathematics lol.
>>201326668I remember that in 8th grade a teacher made us read a book out loud and a big chunk of my classmates couldn't read fluidly at all. Hell, a teacher was surprised because I could read in 1st grade, it's THAT uncommon.
>>201315356WHY would you share this with outsiders, retard? Keep this secret. The others must not know we have an exit plan, when the West inevitably blows up.
>>201320786that is a luxury that should be preserved for our betters
Homeschooling can be a good thing when done right but lots of right wingers use it as an opportunity to abuse their children without any type of oversight.
>>201327742Knowing what contrapositive isn't really enough. You have to also know how to implement it as a proof properly. That and I have seen yokels and uneducated people demonstrate contrapsotive logic without actually knowing what it is.
>>201328401that's a leftoid still harbouring his butthurt from HS
>>201313911Homeschooling is legal here but only if you follow state curriculum, so you can't teach your kids any religious mumbo jumbo and whatever nonsense you like even by pulling them out of school. Pretty much nobody does it though because it's just easier to send them to school and better for their development too if they get to socialize with other kids."Private" schools are also legal but only if they follow state curriculum and are free for anyone to attend.
homeschooling is a luxury for the rich
>>201327839oh i know, i was just replying to him saying he is intelligent (he is not)
>>201324839Nah, my brother is getting his first child in December and he also wants him to go to a private school because of Muslims. It’s literally the only way for children to enjoy a school education without being dragged down by mass migration
>>201320511School should teach the kid how to interact with people in the society
