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South Africa is looking to replace their Olifant 2 tanks. What should they buy?
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>>64631211
IDK the advantages or disadvantages of wheels vs treads but I think wheel tanks look cool
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>>64630756
T-90M is currently the best option.
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>>64630756
Zimbabwean surplus. It's amazing stuff, but it's expensive. Trillions of dollars per unit.
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>>64630837
>CV90-120.

It isnt a tank since it lacks armor.

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This is a literal combat ship.
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Multi purpose figurative
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I think its a pretty ship and would have been better suited for the coast guard
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>>64632645
Yes, the Navy proposed buying it as well to get support from the senators with their states in locksneed's supply chain.

>>64632757
It unironically would have been better for the USCG than the Legend class. It's half the upfront cost, half the operating cost, does everything the USCG needs, and the Navy was footing the bill for ironing out the bugs anyway. But I think the Coast Guard wanted a boatier-looking boat, and they were flush with cash after 9/11, and since the Legend class was being built at Ingalls they could have them built in parallel and wouldn't have to wait their turn.
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>>64632340
https://www.twz.com/sea/u-s-navy-now-wants-a-new-frigate-and-fast
>one plan is to covert Legend class cutter to US Navy standard and reconfiguring them with VLS
well, can they do it?
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>>64632645
Yep, all you really need to know is that it's the Locksneed ship to have an idea how many hands were greased. That said in fairness the entire 2000s under Bush and his fucktarded gay GWOT were an absolute shit show for conventional US military power and programs. So many experimental dumb concepts from dotcom or the like were pushed, so much (trillions!) budget diverted into worthless efforts in the middle east, so much LE END OF HISTORY FASTER CHEAPER by Rumsfield and his band of idiot schoolboys. I hate to say it but I unironically think history would have gone way better if Gore had won. So not like LCS wasn't badly managed all around I guess.

>had a little girl pull a gun on me today
What is this world coming to? Recommend something non lethal that doesnt leave marks
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>>64632730
9mm
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Damn female kid!
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>>64632730
Muh dick
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>>64632730
panko has a gun?

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What will this thing do that a $500 one won't?
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The initial idea of the AR15 was to be extremely light, the company was names Armalite and they introduced a lot of aluminium and made everything as light and narrow as possible.

As a result, the original AR15 design doesn't have a lot of excess material and quite a few weak points which wear quickly.

The bolt is so small that the bolt lugs shear off, various pins in the bolt carrier break, the gas key has to be staked, the barrel mounting doesn't quite have enough material, and even the buffer tube mounting is not very solid.

H&K is basically the only company which seriously tried to make the AR-15 reliable and durable by adding material, hence why the 416 is significantly heavier.

Other, american, companies added pistons or a mono upper to fix some of the weaknesses, but unlike H&K they didn't really re-engineer the entire rifle, H&K realised the bolt carrier tilt problem and added significant material to increase bolt carrier guidance in the receiver, etc.

It is still not a really good rifle if you look for long-term reliability, H&K only went so far with the re-design, it's still an AR-15.

The G36/SCAR/ ... tier of rifles are all slightly heavier or at best the same weight as an AR-15, which is impressive given the G36 is mostly polymer. That's because there's more steel in the G36 than there is in an AR-15, beefier bolt, better bolt carrier timings due to slightly higher mass, etc.
Hence why these are the most durable and reliable guns in existence today.


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>>64632514
>G36
>these are the most durable and reliable guns in existence today.
Good bait, was funny.
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>>64632581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTbTyFloelc

I never said "accurate" I said durable and reliable.
A G36 will happily do 900 rounds full auto nonstop and set the handguard on fire, and still work after you throw it into the snow to cool off.

I wouldn't take any bets on it holding zero and I really loathe polymers in general and think they have no place at all, we should ban polymers entirely due to microplastics alone and they have no place as structural elements in firearms connecting scope and barrel, but you have to hand it to the G36, it is reliable as fuck. And durable if your only qualification is "delivers round (roughly) down range if you pull trigger". Which it does.
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>>64632618
>A G36 will happily do 900 rounds full auto nonstop
900 rounds? Pathetic. Watch an AR-15 (a rifle design you said is inferior in reliability) surpass 1,000 rounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEReNx6_mOY or better yet, watch a 416 clone (which is basically a modernized AR-18) made by Brownells (an American company) do 1,708 rounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ40fm8Oxj4
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>>64632414
Thanks man
>>64632514
My main concern is aftermarket oem parts and depreciation.
Also a great fan of the SCAR, and also the G36 thought it reminds me of the Sig550 which I like even more.

Alas, the MR223 is about as pricey as I'd like a range toy to be, as it clocks out close to $5000 here. For the scar you'd have to chip in another two ks.
I do have a .308 Browning Bar Match with infitech parts ceracoated desert tan though, so at 1/4th the price this fills the (untouched and dusty) DMR position in my vault.

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even skynet is tired
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>>64632311
Dude, phones these days have dedicated hardware just to run models locally.
Dedicated fucking processors. For a gimmick that still has no real application. That's the world we live in. Tech went completely retarded sometime around when Nokia lost to Apple because those fucks didn't know how to market their superior products to idiots.
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>>64632331
Models are not AI. Be it language or diffusion. Artificial Intelligence is sentient and sapient entity. AI doesn't exist and won't in a while.
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>>64632338
You can nitpick semantics all you want.

All I'm saying tech has gotten so fucking retarded that we're mass producing useless fucking NPUs in incomprehensible numbers just because the AI bullshit bubble demands something, ANYTHING to monetize their useless shit.
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>>64631241
Watched this video today with a cop arresting a guy because AI told him he was 100% the suspect. Its actually wild how disappointing AI is
https://youtu.be/B9M4F_U1eEw?si=dMfZTwSnoTOw2T8z
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>>64632222
AI is a marketing term. What we have now is called LLM or machine learning by the programmers and researchers doing the actual work..

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Why is this ugly piece of shit so coveted and grailed among normie firearm social media? I’m sure it’s a pleasure to shoot but it looks soulless as fuck and has all those gay cutouts, the ugly star logo, and a flared magwell looks like ass on a 1911. People actually pay $2,000 plus for these.
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>>64627264
Have sex.
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>>64632366
That's not a 2011.
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>>64632366
>leaf
>is retarded
Nice to see that some things never change
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>>64632417
>nuh uh! it doesn't have a plastic grip!!!!
The 2011™®© is just a Para that STI and SVI put a plastic grip on. Trying to claim it's not just another double stack 1911 is like claiming the PSA dagger isn't just a Glock.
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>>64626815
You’ve made everyone here mad but the LTT 92 is more enjoyable and flatter shooting than a staccato so bravo pissing off the zoomer 2011shitters

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Why are turks like this??
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>>64631332
>Sadly it seems only Canada really got them and not the US for some odd reason
idk if canada has more shotgun sales but there's really no point in getting one of those over a pump
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>>64616688
> If you’re saying they didn’t bother to raise the tax stamp because there weren’t enough in circulation, then why didn’t they restrict it more heavily? A Hughes equivalent for suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, etc. It would have been easier to restrict the NFA more in the past than today. They can’t even pass a AWB. Tax stamps aren’t magically going to $5000 with a Dem Congress.


Also why didn’t they raise it in the past to match inflation
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>>64624968
> Oh I know. All I'm saying is that the creativity in Turkish shotgun companies is absolutely there. With an increase in QC/material quality, actual engineering, and slight improvements in aesthetic design I think they could make a fucking killing in the shotgun market. Not going to happen but a man can dream.

Only way it could happen if shotguns required the same strict certifications that are needed for what they have for rifles and handguns
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>>64632115
Yep. And like I said a couple days ago, I think if they change anything to increase it, then it opens up the legal challenge of taxing a right. The fingerprinting, $200, and previously the wait times kept enough people away from NFA items the feds were happy with that.
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>>64631332
I like it, gives me the adaptability of a single shot shotgun (adapters, fit whatever in there) while also giving me the round count of a regular pump/semi shotgun.

Hey 4chan. Me and my buddy were drinking last night and having a debate with each other about guns. He's been a gun owner for about 6 years and knows a bit more than me. I've used guns off and on over the last 5 years, most of which I can't talk about, but I've done hunting and stuff. Which gun is best for self-offense? My friend said AR or an AK, but I'm kinda on the fence about those, mostly because of price and whatnot. I just told him it feels like cheating when the gun does most of the work (all you do is pull a trigger) and you don't feel the emotion when the target goes down like that. Like "it doesn't feel personal" but with a Sig or a shoytoy you feel like you've really done personal damage to the target is what I'm saying. He doesn't agree and says an AR is probably best. But what do you think /k/?
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>>64631461
What the fuck is self offense? Unless you are in law enforcement that is illegal and the percentage of you ever shooting and killing someone in real life as a citizen is extremely low. Much more so multiple people. A gay argument over "fairness and earning it" doesn't even matter. It will never happen. Unless you are talking about hunting
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>Are automatic weapons che-ACK!
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>>64631461
Fuck ya
mudda
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>>64631461
>I've used guns off and on over the last 5 years, most of which I can't talk about, but I've done hunting and stuff
shut up, no you don't.
>>64631513
You made a thread, and lied on the internet. I sentence you to death via 5 horny eastern lowland gorillas on meth.
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>>64631461
Get whatever you want, can afford, and are comfortable with. And yes, the gun does most of the work, which is why we aren't drawing back bowstrings anymore and carrying around quivers. If you are worried about the emotional depth level when you use your weapon and how satisfactory it would be, then you need some serious fucking help.

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They are coming for your lead
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/08/nx-s1-5599539/hunters-encouraged-to-trade-lead-bullets-for-copper-to-protect-scavenging-animals
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>>64632658
Do BP guns need lead balls? Honest question, I've never messed with BP despite wanting to take my Jezail out to bag a hog. Does the soft metal provide better obturarion over say steel or copper? I figured the wad handled all of that
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>>64632688
My youngest brother does but that's because I never stress shit like groups or splits but simply blasting produce and clays in the woods. In the words of Reggie, if its not fun, why bother?
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>>64632689
I know modern faggot ass muzzle loaders can use 100% copper/polymer tip copper rounds. I would assume actual antiques require a soft metal.
Lead is crazy soft. like unalloyed lead is like silly putty
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>>64632658
>people hunt with flintlocks and other bp guns.
But it's a small fraction of those who hunt with even modern muzzleloaders let alone conventional smokeless rifles or surprisingly even vs bow. If someone has a legit historical gun and are taking deer for purely personal use I don't see why that's important to restrict. I guess an argument could be made that that's still more a luxury choice, but it's such a minuscule fraction of lead use I don't see any reason to make a stink about it. And it almost by definition can't really be abused either.
>even gay ass modern "black powder" guns. idk if they would get rid of bp season
>>64632689
Modern muzzleloaders can work with solid copper just fine, and there is plenty available in a variety of styles like
>https://www.federalpremium.com/muzzleloading/11-PMZ50TC1.html
or
>https://cuttingedgebullets.com/collections/muzzleloader-bullets
or wherever. Muzzleloader season isn't going anywhere thankfully.
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>>64632720
>I would assume actual antiques require a soft metal.
Honestly I'm not sure even that's true, though wouldn't be surprised either. But the typical issue with antiques is how they handle pressure, not the simple hardness of the steel in the barrel. Copper is harder then lead sure but even old steel is still steel. And for just doing a softer lubricating/sealing coating around a bullet there are more options then lead as well, where lead is trickier to replace is the core if you don't have something designed for it. And if bullets just aren't made at all for a given old gun then obviously being able to cast your own is pretty important. I don't believe it's reasonable at this point to require someone to put together their own metal CNC setup or some shit to create custom copper ones.

But again I also don't think it's a serious issue. Just grandfathering all antiques would be the right approach.

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An endless spider's web left behind by fiber optic FPVs in Ukraine
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmYrXSdIz1Q

>>64632540
>On a visit to a newly renovated theatre in 2011, Putin sat down at a piano and played the series’ theme tune, What the Motherland Begins With. An “impromptu” three-piece band swiftly joined him, as Putin sang: “It comes from the oath that you swear to her in your youthful heart.”

>>64632540
>In the 1970s and 1980s the song became the unofficial anthem of the KGB, whose emblem was a shield and a sword, symbolising its twin purposes: defence of the motherland and ruthless espionage to confound her enemies.
>>64632540
>Note the Motherland here means the USSR NOT Russia.
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Can’t believe Trump is going to take away this victory from us.
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>>64625851
>giant hyperrealistic animatronic spider
God I miss old movies with practical effects…
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>>64632641
>Can’t believe Trump is going to take away this victory from us.
It's too late. The problem with Putins project was it is grounded in the ideas of a brainwashed kid who joined the KGB and placing the USSR on a pinnacle worth more than even his own life. It does not recognise the dynamics of what Ukraine now is or indeed just how powerful the EU and UK are. Putin will not stop because he wants the USSR not Donbass or Crimea that suits the goal of Russian disarmament, Ukrainian victory and peace quite well

The narrative from Trump and Moscow may be Ukraine is losing. The battlefield is a quite different narrative of it's own as is the flow of fund and armaments to Ukraine. All Ukraine has to do is play the defence until Russian weapon stocks are diminish beyond what can be used to successfully defend the territory Russia currently occupies.

13.12.2025
Tanks — 11409 (+3)
Armored fighting vehicle — 23714 (+9)
Artillery systems — 35032 (+24)
MLRS — 1567 (+1)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1258 (+2)
Planes — 432
Helicopters — 347
UAV — 89684 (+283)

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>>64632230
>Do you think he sits down with TRump and goes,
"You know Donald all this is for the rebirth of the USSR?" No.
He has had long rants about Russia's historical territorial claims with multiple people such as tucker Carlson, whitkoff and it wouldn't surprise me if he atleast tried it with trump himself. He has also gone on record about the collapse of the USSR being a great tragedy.

I know nothing about guns or gun culture, but please just post some incredible looking guns. Just the coolest.
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>>64630970
beaut
I really wish I didn't sell my 1911. Classy bastards.
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>>64630295
trvke
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>>64620886
Colt Trooper Mark 3
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>>64630809
Looks like it, thanks for the info.

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LYING ABOUT MEDICAL HISTORY: GOOD (YMMV)
LYING ABOUT CRIMINAL HISTORY: BAD

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SWCS SFAS guide

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Did Robert have fun today? I see he followed my instructions like a good little boy
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>>64632506
>SNCO's abused daughters when they run away from housing
This happened in Hood a few times when I was there.
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Bro I’m old and it’s a serious commitment and life upheaval. I’d also be in technical school for 15 months becoming fluent in Mandarin Chinese, which means being completely immersed in it. I would even consider marrying a native speaker just to get out of the DLI dorms and have the extra assistance while not in class. Also my current civilian job is easy and pays decent even if it kinda sucks in other ways. Is it worth it to enlist in Chair Force and get stationed in Japan/Korea just to make an extra $5-10k annually? I might even be taking a paycut until I make E-4 or E-5. I’m sure in the long run I would be making more money, but it’s a lot to consider. I wish I had just done it while I was younger, but that can’t be helped at this point. I’m glad I didn’t sign up during the Obongo or coof years at least. I think DoD has only been majorly refocusing on Asian languages in the past year or two anyway.
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>>64632678
>I would even consider marrying a native speaker just to get out of the DLI dorms and have the extra assistance while not in class.
Hahahaha, good way to get surveilled. Or not, as our military and government seem to be loyal to every nation EXCEPT America.

But yeah, being in a sham marriage means you get extra BAH and BAS and don't have to live in dorms with all the other suckers. And because adultery is no longer a violation of the UCMJ, you can openly have "arrangements" and not get in trouble for them. Getting into a sham marriage for extra bennies is the largest openly-discussed cheat code in the military.
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>>64632575
No, but they will roll your foreskin back during nuts 'n' butts to check for STDs.

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I'm surprised there isn't more talk about this on /k/, it's a program many of us have been following for years, and it's important.
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90ECrL_4GPc

The swedes have finally caught Europe up to Russia in terms of armour piercing small caliber rounds.
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>>64632444
Don't care, didn't ask. Show me actual evidence that 6.5 CBJ can penetrate an object at a range where 5.7 FN BS28-3 can't, not numbers on a spec sheet.
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>>64632471
Homes this badly outperforms the 6.5 BBW. That only defeats 7mm of RHA or 9mm from 12" barrel.
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>>64632481
Did you think that meant it penetrates a 15mm plate?
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>>64632508
no cumrade it beats 5.5mm HB550 plate at 15 metyers nyet u can't read
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>>64630284
I think it's wounding is shit except the hollow point which doesn't go through armor well
It can tumble all it wants it's still .14 caliber

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It's been 2 months...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hidden-hangars-navys-fa-xx-could-decide-china-fight-trump-moves-now
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>>64631421
Notice how I said geo orbit
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>>64631421
oh it can spot a CSG, it just can't give actionable data that can be used as part of a killchain, which is the reality that gives chinkshills all over the internet so much grief.
the hypermeme missile cannot provide targeting data for itself because of the plasma sheath, and it also cannot recieve data from other places (including satellites, it only works with starship because of it's immense size and blunt profile).
so yeah, you could guide a hypermeme onto a CSG until the plasma forms, and then the ships will just move out the way of your missile because it's fucking blind from there on out and can't guide onto anything.
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>>64631459
you keep spouting that same nonsense without understanding even basic physics.
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I get the feeling the industrial base concern line is a polite way of saying that on paper Boeing’s offering blows Northrop’s out of the water to the point they can’t justify giving Northrop the contract, but they also don’t trust Boeing to execute both programs at once. Publicly available information paired with a couple credible rumors suggests Boeing beat Lockheed to a demonstrator flight by three years and still managed to deliver the more impressive plane, while Northrop doesn’t seem to have built an AII-X demonstrator, possibly being too busy with B-21 at the time.
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>>64631756
That would be at least a more hopeful reason for why it is going down like this. But then it's about Boeing supposedly BTFO everyone else.

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/k/onfess my sons
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>>64630744
>you don't actually get a hot tomboy inventor love interest and a gruff brawler friend when you become a PI
That's some bullshit right there.
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>>64625696
>Likewise, I think the Republicans have no intention of ever actually repealing major gun control legislation like the 1986 ban or the Gun Control Act of 1968 because it would remove a threat that they rile up their own voter base with.
I am a staffer for a well known conservative in my state. This is false. We very much want to repeal. We'd rather brag about repealing than keep "riling up the base."
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Why did janny chimp out and delete my confession?
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>>64625109
I ND'ed in a family members house when no one else was there, no police got called and no one ever found out and luckily the bullet holes were mostly vertical so very well hidden no one ever found them and they moved out of that house since. Ever since im far more conscious of whats going on with guns
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More a rant than a /k/onfesion but holy hell do I fucking hate gun youtubers with a passion.


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