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>>24951088Yeah, so not the torso. And try using a better resource than Wiktionary. Five seconds on google will get you to websites with the Lewis & Short lexicon (https://latinlexicon.org/search_latin.php). Their third defition is:>— The breast, the heart (mostly poet.): spiritu remanente in praecordiis, Liv. 42, 16: frigidus coit in praecordia sanguis, Verg. A. 10, 452; Ov. M. 12, 140.Ovid is clearly using the breast/chest meaning in the line in question, the diaphragm or the entrails would make no sense in that context.
>>24951318https://www.latinlexicon.org/definition.php?p1=2046645&p2=p?Why exactly would it make no sense? Since he is describing the transformation of her body into a trunk. Obviously the image of the trunk of a person transforming into the trunk of a tree makes much more sense with the imagery Ovid is employing.
>>24951318>>24951341I think also the use of bosom here makes even less sense in your definition, which isn't anatomical at all, it is used for phrases like, "his breast stirred within him ." In which case "breast" would be apt translation in some places, but certainly not "white breast" which doesn't accord with that poetic usage and makes it anatomical. And either way it surely wouldn't apply here since the word is being used to refer to physical characteristics and their transformation into the tree 's equivalent
>>24951337Scroll down to the third definition on that page. How would diaphrapgm or entrails make any sense in that line? Let's substitute them in McCarter's translation>as slender bark enfolds her supple diaphragm/entrailsAn internal membrane below her lungs or her intestines became bark? The rest of the passage is about visible changes to her hair, arms, and feet. Chest makes far more sense in the context, and McCarter herself is clearly is closer to that with 'torso', although 'chest' is probably better. In any case, my point was that she didn't understand that 'bosom' means 'chest' or 'breast' (in the older sense), so my point stands.
This book changed my life for the better
how to please womenstep 1: do not be eager to please women
>>24946749I am circumcised and therefore not physically capable of pleasuring a woman, so unfortunately I will have to pass on this one
>>24948751who's gonna tell him
>>24951007>You argueeh? who's arguing? i'm not arguing, i'm telling. specifically, i'm telling you that you're weird. it's ok anon this site was basically invented as a holding pen for dysfunctional mouthbreathers who don't fit in to society. you are at home here. weirdo.>foidweirdo
>>24948842agree
Stephen King says it's good practice to have a goal of writing 6 pages a day. What do you think, anon? Is that doable for you?
I did that. Completed a manuscript, even. It didn't get picked up anywhere, though.
any consistent daily output on one project is going to get a novel finished
>>24951285Stephen King don’t gotta edit to sell novels.Well I do, so fuck him, and fuck Sanderson too.
>>24951323>I'm adding 1 word to my novella a day, I'll be done once I'm in my eighties
>>24951335You think I give a damn about a Hugo?
>can't win over blacks>can't win over poorfags>outright enemies of blue collar workers>not taken seriously/ seen as useful idiots by their intellectually inferior middle class liberal pragmatic allies >can't/won't win over the armed forces>can't/won't win over the intelligence agencies>can't/won't win over the politicians>decent success rate with middle class children (dropped by junior yr), academics, homosexuals and trannys.Is there a book which explains how this leads to revolutionary success or should i just see all the le-science-of-hisory 2-more-weeksism from the past 200 years?
>>24951056The bug eating is being pressed by neoliberal internationalist commercial imperialism. The same people who have obscured the origins of the revolutionary age and turned you into a mere consumer slave and an proud autist of the anti-immigrant party>>24951140>World Economic Forum is marginally about global capitalUhh
>>24951157No. Their means are capitalist, their structure and ends are communist. Read the Trotskyists.
>>24950519>>24950644>>24950906>>24950919Great posts. I declare this the official political economy and history thread.
>>24951160>their structure and ends areTHE EXACT SAME AS ANY IMPERIALISM. The bugaboo about the NWO and One World Government is real. The liberal capitalist elites have always wanted this, and the socialists, communists and anarchists found them out from the earliest days. Their alternative is to keep localized controls. Marxism is a stupid fantasy that was well funded and encouraged by capitalists only to create a Fabian like villain to obscure the actual revolutionary goal of All Power to the People (not their stupid political parties)Their structure is not specifically Marxist-Leninist, but whatever authoritarian system works, they will use it.The goal of the commune is in the fucking name and the origin of the word. Trotsky killed true socialists in the Black Army after they helped rid Ukraine of the White tzarists. He was a reactionary traitor.>>24951156They only have temporary success because all they have is the baffle with bullshit tactic
>>24950477>Is there a book which explains how this leads to revolutionary success or should i just see all the le-science-of-hisory 2-more-weeksism from the past 200 years?these ones, though i feel like most active communists would argue a crisis that could've causes revolution a hundred years ago would just cause further consolidation now. ironically there's not enough competition.
>I did not know but that, under the circumstances, such being the case heretofore, I would be left in truth, as it were, without recourse and wherefore I took care for whatsoever means that were expedient yet prudent.
>>24951322"Philosophy"
Would anyone be interested in participating? Seems like a nice alternative to Wikipedia reading
>>24951220>post cover in OP>summarize topic using chapter headings>ask some questions at the endDo this and people will participate in your thread.
>>24951220I listen to it in audio version. Can't recommend picrel enough to Americans.
The deepest thinker on the left (Hegel scholar) Vs the deepest thinker on the right (Nietzsche scholar)... A debate between these two would be priceless
>>24950837yes he's young cute and jacked. his exterior beauty reflects the profundity of his ideas
>>24932734They're both so performative that their faces are just disgusting to look at. Zizek is the most pretentious man alive, but Pervert is a scammer and cowardly in comparison.
>>24936188>NATO and the EU both exist to keep the individual nations of Europe downt. Johnny McRevolver from Texas Oblast
>>24951283More likely alt-right or NeoNazi based on that post. Russia hates NATO for encroaching in the east but neonazis obviously also hate NATO because its supposed to keep Germany down and unarmed and keep Nazism from reemerging.
>>24951303Even if Germany left EU and NATO nothing would change there, for Germans to become Nazi they would need a Nazi government in power for decades which isn't happening just because you leave international unions, same reason Germans didn't become liberals after WW2 (many said Hitler dindu nuffin and for Poles to give back territory to Germany even after the war), the children of WW2 generation became liberal, so in the same way the children of those liberals would have to be brought in a Nazi regime to become Nazi.
Why is it that all great minds of antiquity thought that love was more than a crude neurochemical reaction? Would they have been redpilled if they were alive after the 20th century when advancement in chemistry demonstrated that love/eros is basically just a powerful drug? Honestly explains many things about the current perception of love in relation to modernity.
>>24947130i hate how i know a woman wrote this
>>24945804Two reasons:One, they didn't use "love" in the sense of mere infatuation, as we so often do. Love (and hate) were used also as general categories of action. Which is why the Bible at the same time says you must love your wife (care for her, protect her, emotional presence) and also hate her (not choose her over the Kingdom). But the second, and more important reason, is that they didn't usually fall for the reductionist fallacy. The words you're reading right now are made of flickering pixels. Are they "just" flickering pixels? Well no, they are also references to meaning, they are units of syntax, they have aesthetic value ... none of this is addressed by evaluating pixels as the words' immediate physical form. Because physical evaluation is reductive. And as useful as it is, a reduction by definition doesn't address the entirety of a phenomenon. It is a silent hope of materialists that we at some point will create a formula that will physically address also aesthetics and history and etymology etc. but nothing really warrants this hope at this point. So your view of love hinges on the unwarranted use of "just" in >basically just a powerful drugIf you read the studies you're referencing carefully, you will not find any rational reason for including it. You will only find that within a particular framework, the reduction is done so and so.
>>24946530>I was pretty much living out that book when my 20's started. I met her in college and I just knew she was different from everyone else and precious when I heard her speak.I'm older, pushing 60 actually. Love, and however you define it... its as "real" as you hold it to be, its as real as you make it out to be. Chemicals now understood or magic as the ancients held it to be, its the same thing. You get one look, one sniff of the scent of a person and your heart rate goes up. If they feel it back, it really might as well be magic. I lived this for about 28 years before modern life ruined our relationship and ripped it asunder, we had a good run. Why care where such a powerful thing comes from just enjoy it while it lasts. The old timers told us, didn;t they. Romantic love fades but never dies. Make sure you're best friends as well as lovers to make that transition to real life. There's nothing finer to possess in this world, than that ephemeral love. And that's as long as you have it.
>>24947920more utter bullshit. here we go, shakespeare was a nigger, or some other guy, a preposterous pronouncement on par with moon landing hoax.
>>24948955observation: the outliers that are gays, have problems with thing Xconclusion: thing x must be called into questionproblematic to be sure.
>name a more manly, masculine, virile workyou can't
>>24951282As the anon above said, the Iliad is better described as sublime than beautiful
>>24951297But that's a silly and shallow as fuck wordgame becase they are interchangeable. Go to hell both of you dweebs
>>24950696Gay>>24950701Incredibly masculine>>24950741I mean, yeah
>>24951112the rest of the cycle doesn't exist aside from the Odyssey, faggot
>>24951300>they are interchangeable.This is certainly not true, even if you include the sublime as a subset of the beautiful. Regardless, even if the modern usage of beautiful has expanded to include the sublime I think it’s better in discussions like this to use a finer vocabulary
Do Tolkiendrones realize that fantasy existed before Lord of the Rings and that it suffered greatly from Big Fat Fantasy and other sloppy derivatives that grew like viruses from Tolkien's wen? https://voca.ro/1Rwc7lMX0hfT
>>24951130Ted was a nutter, a primativist. Tolkien was merely nostalgic for a slightly earlier era of civilization, before rapacious expansion and greed caused it to fall completely out of balance with nature. Ted would've turned his dissatisfaction with society toward Tolkien's ilk after the industrialists were all dead. I'd argue Tolkien was not even anti-progress, he simply did not like the way industry had become an all-devouring engine that demolished the world around it. Thoughtless, heedless progress was something he wrote against. Comes up again and again.
>>24951176Ted wasn't crazy. His influence of course was Ellul. Not sure what Tolkien may have thought of him, but his thoughts seem to me to be inspired by some socialist thoughts of his youth, notably from William Morris' News From Nowhere. Which has a rather Shire like description of London in the early 21st century IF a revolution had happened a hundred years before.Why I said "like uncle Ted"
>he wrote an epic in an elevated style>he's not inclusive>he promotes hierarchies and aristocracy>he believes in objective truth and natural rights>he wrote that fantasy isn't just escapism>THAT IS A REVOLTING IDEAI laughed so hard. Seethe harder.
>>24951232>Quotes found in my own turds!>Very reliable! kys
>>24946129Damn, he sounds based
How do you actually overcome post-modernism?
>>24949774Isn't that like saying you can't scape cristianity because god allready personally knows all about you or whatever.
>>24950415I dunno how long you've been around, but truth isn't exactly a human virtue. In reality, most people would slip into a suicidal depression if all they focused on was truth. You can't handle the truth, etc.
just ignore it
>>24948572i mean that zizek quote is accurate
by creating an echo chamber where you dont have to engage with it in the dialectic and pretend it dosent exist
Talk about poems/poets you like, post your own work, and critique others.
>>24950982yeah (uh), your poem be shitty (uh)your poem's not litty (uh)
>>24950982where were you going with this?
>>24951089>>24951129closer to the divine than u muhammed
Wrote this poem some while ago (printed in the last &). Would be interested in feedback/thoughts.
I hide small stones in the forgotten cornersCount the dust grains half heartedlyStill the certainty of sun and moon Offers some solace and measures the timeWell spent, lost forever
What is there even left to read after him?? Why is his prose so good?
>>24948719Weinginer:>It is just the same with other characteristics of the man of genius. Not only the material, but also the spirit, of his work is subject to periodic change. At one time he is inclined to a philosophical and scientific view; at another time the artistic influence is strongest; at one time his intervals are altogether in the direction of history and the growth of civilisation; later on it is “nature” (compare Nietzsche’s “Studies in Infinity” with his “Zarathustra”); at another time he is a mystic, at yet another simplicity itself! (Björnson and Maurice Maeterlinck are good modern examples.) In fact, the “amplitude” of the periods of famous men is so great, the different revelations of their nature so various, so many different individuals appear in them, that the periodicity of their mental life may be taken almost as diagnostic. I must make a remark sufficiently obvious from all this, as to the existence of almost incredibly great changes in the personal appearance of men of genius from time to time. Comparison of the portraits at different times of Goethe, Beethoven, Kant, or Schopenhauer are enough to establish this. The number of different aspects that the face of a man has assumed may be taken almost as a physiognomical measure of his talent.>People with an unchanging expression are low in the intellectual scale. Physiognomists, therefore, must not be surprised that men of genius, in whose faces a new side of their minds is continually being revealed, are difficult to classify, and that their individualities leave little permanent mark on their features.>It is possible that my introductory description of genius will be repudiated indignantly, because it would imply that a Shakespeare has the vulgarity of his Falstaff, the rascality of his Iago, the boorishness of his Caliban, and because it identifies great men with all the low and contemptible things that they have described. As a matter of fact, men of genius do conform to my description, and as their biographies show, are liable to the strangest passions and the most repulsive instincts.
>>24950176reading lolita for "symbols" that represent social issues at large is like attending communion to get drunk or becoming a buddhist to bulk.>>24948719>If you actually tried writing seriously, you'd see that you can't write well about the stuff that you you find personally disgusting or isn't your fetish.nabokov has written about diarrhea, gay sex, gay sex during intestinal infections, old people sex, murder, torture and his characters all have qualities that are his complete opposite. his next two novels were about a man who can't speak english and a terrible academic. on the theme of children, he definitely valued childhood (going by how much of SM is dedicated to his own) and thought of losing one's childhood as a great source of pity, pity being one half of his formula for beauty.
>>24946325Biggest pseud magnet of all time. Has never had anything interesting to say. His art is useless, and he himself would be the first to tell you so. You will outgrow him once you've lived a life.
>>24951035What is the use of art?
>>24951035Use case of art?
Can developing the habit of reading heal my brain from years of doomscrolling, porn addiction and isolation that deleted my attention span, memory and gave me a costant brainfog?
>>24947146When I was in psych wards, I didn't have access to electronic devices, pornography, or music. I spent most of my time in groups, reading, progressive calisthenics, socializing, and doing arts/crafts. Finding a safe space to jack off was annoying, so I limited it to once a day. Ironically, the porn I had consumed was helpful in getting me to finish faster because I could just remember the pictures. Food was whatever I was given, so although it might not have been the perfect homegrown keto diet, I didn't have to think about it. My personal objects were limited to my arts and crafts, a collection of group worksheets, and stuff for hygiene or whatever. What is interesting is that preparing for outdoors survival is different from preparing for a stay in the psych ward. Any hobby that relies on knives is impractical in a mental hospital. Music is limited to music channels on TV. Going outside is a luxury limited to one hour a day. So anons like to fantasize about how they would survive if they were stuck in the mountains, but you'd have to be stupid enough to go there in the first place. A guy I knew was stuck there because his mother called the police and made up a story about him being suicidal. I periodically think about if what I have or what I do would be feasible in a psych ward. I recommend this thought exercise if you haven't thought about it already, if only because it is interesting how "basic" hobbies like cooking and sewing can be considered luxuries.
Cutting out short form content, algorithmic social media, and getting off this shithole is a good start. Instead of doomscrolling twitter, read some articles that interest you, instead of watching some bullshit on instagram reels or whatever watch a quality movie or documentary. Start reading some lighter books and set a goal of pages ler day and increase every week. Going cold turkey from everything and reading a Tolstoy novel is setting yourself up for failure in my experience. Obviously it's all just other forms of media consumption and it's important you find some real hobbies where your physically active with your hands and body and engaging with the world and people, but reading and watching quality books is exponentially healthier than getting mind raped by what passes for "entertainment" today
>>24941231The world has changed more since the industrial revolution than the previous 10,000 years combined fuck off with this there's nothing new under the sun bullshit
>>24939274This. Its really all about time. If I am bored or not doing anything important, ill do those "vices". When I am busy with work or have shit to do, stuff like it doesn't cross my mind. >>24943353Did you go through puberty at all? Tf you mean a 15-year-old is only beating off twice a week. Daily shit for most kids. I guess if you have zero test kek.
>>24950348I'm reading Fahrenheit 451 and it's pretty good so far, does that count as a "light book"?
>another mid whore catapulted into fame and fortune for existing That's it. This has gone too far, the woman problem HAS to be addressed now. Simping is an epidemic that is destroying society and it's only going to get worse.
>>24950979How many “STEMcel” women with PhDs earning this salary even exist? Also, unless we’re counting Psychology as part of the humanities, the women described below do not exist either. I’d still impregnate the PhD girl in the green in the top pic thoughever
>>24948297These tiktok/reels of women doing innocuous bullshit in front of a camera are peak brain drain. I dont have paitence for this garbage anymore. She is a qt thoughever
>>24947980Let me guess, she opened an of after this went viral?
>>24947980She's not even attractive. She looks like the emo pick me girl from high school that would suck your dick for a dimebag and let you fuck her ass after an "I love you."
Why dont you just stop talking, thinking, and acting about women?
