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I've never personally found any argument against suicide that really convinces me. The more philosophy I read, the more many common objections seem based on instinct or emotion rather than careful reasoning. When people call suicide "murder" or "unnatural" they often ignore that a right to life should also include the right to give it up, and that nature itself isn't a moral authority. If it were, we wouldn't use medicine to prevent or delay natural deaths. The claim that suicide is selfish also feels very one-sided. It can just as easily be seen as selfish to expect someone to keep living with unbearable mental or physical suffering simply so others don't have to feel grief. None of us chose to be born, and being stuck in a life that has become intolerable is a tragedy, not a moral failure. I think society has a strong optimism bias that makes people assume life is better than it really is for everyone. When someone experiences life mainly as a heavy burden, ending their life can be a rational way to take back control over something they never chose.
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>>24981727
Fuck the demiurge. Find a way to get out of this prison planet. Take the Gnostic pill.
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>>24980541
my life has been worse though. hell looks like an improvement
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>>24980481
>take control of your life and do the work to tear out the roots of your suffering
ah yes the based
>just become omnipotent bruh
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>>24985907
If you go on sanctioned-suicide.net and read the posts of suicidal people most of them say they haven't yet killed themselves because they can't manage to overcome their survival instinct or fear. Personally I've survived a well-planned suicide attempt more than a year ago and wound up with a 4 day ICU stay, which was the worst experience of my life, and the thought of re-experiencing something like that causes enough fear for me to stop me from doing it, because it made me see that I can't 100% ensure that I'll succeed in my attempt.
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>>24986159
That site is a glow magnet

Dastardly New Age Edition

>Old:
>>24975110

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
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>>24985589
Dune.
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>>24985605
Read Hunter x Hunter
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>>24985687
Make not being so penis-obsessed a new years resolution.
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>>24985275
I agree and have the same opinion despite disliking his Culture singularly, presenting characters like Horza was a nice touch. Some elements are quite silly though, and Banks seemed to feel driven to represent almost all the opponents of The Culture as cartoonishly evil on some level (the antagonist race of PoG in particular but also the Affronters and even the Idirans).
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>>24982008
>Sanderson-levels of productivity.
An insult to Erikson

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Why isn't this guy more famous? A lot of his stuff is seriously mind blowing, the type of ideas you'd expect PKD to have if he were born again.
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>>24984245
>He's an amateur
He has a bachelors in maths and several published papers.
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>>24984547
I meant it in the sense that it's not his job.
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>>24984556
Does he have a job?
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>>24984730
Professional recluse writer Pynching it up in Australia
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>>24983250
I only liked that one short story about the jewel. Anything else either didn't click or was needlesly long. In fact 95+% of published sci-fi would be better if it were shorter.

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Yearly reminder
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>>24985900
I can't believe I've been here for 14 years...
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>>24985915
And you regret it? Still not been reading anything good have you?
That's why.
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>>24985900
>Anon reads intro level philosophy
>Elitist judges him for it
What's there to come back from?

Was the elitist implying that reading Plato is pseudointellectualism? It's a self-own in that case. Conceptuality being more important than material reality is literally Plato. Any sikrit club that is "true intellectualism" is a commentary on Plato.
And if he was an Aristotelian, or a Christian, then he wouldn't have used the term intellectual.

The rebuttal is abysmally easy, btw.
You just hit him with a "Stat Crux".
You show him that you are better than him intellectually (because what nigger reads monastic sayings), that you know of the sources of Christian (and therefore Western) intellectualism, but most importantly that you are not interested in nicknames, in the volvitur orbis.
He is like a child looking for appraisal, you are Hiram Abif seeking the Truth.
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>>24985949
>talking (rebutting) to bl*ck people
ngmi

ITT: we post history books about less discussed topics
i'll start
>western technology and soviet economic development 1930 to 1945 by sutton - about how the west essentially singlehandedly built up all soviet industry
>wall street and the bolshevik revolution by sutton - about american financiers being covertly inserted into the soviet union to fund the bolshevik revolution
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>>24981863
Lots of Germans who left Germany prior to the start of World War 2 did so because they opposed the rise of Nazi ideology. Whether or not that was because they actually opposed the ideas or didn't like the idea of their sons being sent to die in useless wars for land they didn't give a shit about is irrelevant; the point is that a lot of them wanted the Nazis to lose in the first place.
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>>24985191
Those were a profoundly insignificant subset among the numbers of German-Americans. And largely actually jewish and/or communist.
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>>24981863
Happened in most of the New World desu. German Brazilians were also overwhelmingly obedient and loyal to Brazil and assimilation once the war kicked off.
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>The rise of international jihad and Western ultra-nationalism
>In the Management of Savagery , Max Blumenthal excavates the real story behind America’s dealings with the world and shows how the extremist forces that now threaten peace across the globe are the inevitable flowering of America’s imperial designs.
>Washington’s secret funding of the mujahedin provoked the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. With guns and money, the United States has ever since sustained the extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, who have become its enemies. The Pentagon has trained and armed jihadist elements in Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya; it has launched military interventions to change regimes in the Middle East. In doing so, it created fertile ground for the Islamic State and brought foreign conflicts home to American soil.
>These failed wars abroad have made the United States more vulnerable to both terrorism as well as native ultra-nationalism. The Trump presidency is the inevitable consequence of neoconservative imperialism in the post–Cold War age. Trump’s dealings in the Middle East are likely only to exacerbate the situation.
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>>24982238
You are a self-hating tranny

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The more I think about the simulation hypotheses, and the more I learn - the more it seems plausible, even likely
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>>24985494
Lol I'm not. I've sought out convincing arguments from apologists, just haven't found them. I'm poking at you because you're stating your position without justifying it and that's probably because you know you don't have convincing justification and you should work that out.
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>>24985414
best of both worlds
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>>24985382
I first heard this in middleschool. People bring this up thinking they are smart
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>>24985483
It's less doubtful than eternal recursion scienceslop tbqhfam
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>>24986121
https://youtu.be/TldVj-GHWiw?si=q_9GvB7EA4uWR7Na

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>>24983727
Will it change my life?
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>>24984209
It's a book that can influence the way you think and act, yes. Depends on what you get out of it though. Books aren't magic.
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>>24983040
The random essays are the best parts.
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>>24983727
I think it's been destroyed by the musical, not just because it's trashy and popular. Unless that's what you meant.
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>>24986110
Reddit

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Is he right about religion?
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>>24985543
I don't see what's so interesting about this moralist
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>>24985554
He didn't spend anytime philosophizing as he wasn't a philosopher, just a mere sophist. Correct on the other points THO.
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>>24985543
What specifically do you mean, OP?
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>>24986106
I'm just asking what you guys think of his criticisms of the big religions like Christianity and Buddhism, since I've been drawn to those religions and their practices for quite some time now, but Nietzsche made me want to reconsider it. I know this board is big on Nietzsche so you're probably more familiar with him than I am.
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>>24986133
He's correct about the life-denying thing. But if the religions are true I don't see how Nietzsche's critiques would ultimately matter. But Nieztsche also seems to argue that the purpose of any civilization or culture, and the way by which it is to be evaluated, is in its creation of GREAT MEN. In which case, Christian Civilization seems to be the greatest of all., far greater than the pagan faiths so many Nieztschebros turn towards out of their hatred of Christianity.

Why do you put faith in metaphysical claims that can't be empirically tested? Are you just a science-ignorant caveman?
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>>24979312
>le philosophers create more problems instead of just being le repeater machines for problems invented by other people
>if anything was tested then le problems just become other le problems

I am a le postmodern too.
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>>24985626
>then it is identical to something that doesn't exist.
nice question-begging fallacy
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>>24985701
>It is entirely reducible
False, consciousness is irreducible, it cannot be further broken down into sub-components for science can only measure proposed correlates of it and not consciousness itself

> consciousness is effected,
False, only cognition is effect and not consciousness. When a brain is damaged for whatever reason, that person's consciousness is experientially present in the exact same way, only the revealed contents of that consciousness viz. cognitions are effected in any way.
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>>24979312
because can't be empirically tested, duh
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>>24979312
Metaphysical claims are proven through dialectic and direct insight. Zeno's paradoxes are one example of how dialectic leads one to monism. By following the laws of logic and examining reality one can deduce it's deeper nature. Obviously it's not empirical, metaphysics by definition is about puppet master of empirical reality, it's explicative, not descriptive. Empiricism is all about describing and quantifying things, but it can never explain them, even science deals in metaphysics despite how much they want to avoid what they think is woo woo. To use the puppet analogy, science is all about describing the puppet to the exact detail, while metaphysics is about explaining the why and how of the puppet. If the puppet is empirical reality than the puppet master is metaphysical reality. And obviously science deals with metaphysics, all the theories about how reality works are by definition metaphysics. The nature of reality being quantum and atomistic is a metaphysical claim, despite how much they eschew metaphysics it cannot be escaped because descriptions are never explanations. All they've done is created a self-contradictory anti-metaphysics that tries to masquerade descriptions as explanations, hence the bean counting quantum/atom cult. Limiting yourself to only what you can quantify and measure is retarded. Can't measure logic, can't measure hope, love, fear, can't measure arithmetic, in fact, measure is just a conceptual abstraction that humans made up. To make some conceptual abstraction humans made up the basis of reality is true ignorance of the highest order, it's no better than a religion.

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Privacy by Danielle Chelosky (new story!)
>A folder on her laptop held the stories she was not allowed to publish. One boy forbade her because there was an entire paragraph about his dick size (it was complimentary, she didn’t understand the problem). Another was worried his girlfriend would end up finding it. Another said he would cancel her for invasion of privacy.

>These were rare instances. Mostly boys were flattered, considered it an ego boost, no matter how they were portrayed. People in general liked to be immortalized. In a way, she resented their narcissism, like they couldn’t appreciate what she’d written because they were just staring at themselves.

>The truth was whatever reaction the boys offered was not what she wanted, even if they lavished her with praise, called her a genius, it was never enough. She thought of writing as not just a plea to be seen but a plea to be loved. It never seemed to have the effect that she yearned for, probably because it was impossible. Maybe, she thought, if she killed herself then her words would take on a new, heavier meaning.

>She used to think that a boy being mad about a story she’d written about him meant the writing had done its job. It touched a nerve; it was controversial and had a direct impact on real life. Then she decided that mindset was banal, stupid. She thought her writing was at its weakest when it was a weapon.

>On the internet she stalked a writer she had once done a literary reading with. During the reading he had spoken candidly about his sex addiction, and his girlfriend at the time stomped off. Now he was dating a different writer and they were constantly writing about their relationship, hosting readings where they read about each other with each other, publishing the history of their love in glossy magazines that paid by the word. She felt put off by this masturbatory spectacle. Like she couldn’t imagine anyone caring about it or finding it as anything other than insufferable. She wondered how one could make interesting art if they viewed their life as a project—then isn’t the project about the project, not about life?
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I love women bros
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I hate simps bros
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She's moderatly attractive.
I would have complete sexual intercourse with her, but would use protection in order not to get infected with STIs and not to give her the honor of accidentally breeding her with my superior genes.
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>>24962142
She lied tho
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thread's been up for an eternity, don't really know what it's about, but those type of medium-large tits that hang to the sides.......kinda nice sometimes

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Can anyone recommend wlw romance that actually centers class struggle or socialist themes? Cis-women and queer people of lit help me out.
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Choke on nigger balls, lick nigger anus, then crawl on nigger ass, and finally, be a nigger forever. Rot in hell, subhuman, ape, pimp, and let the nigger's curse cling to your soul like a permanent stain.
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>>24985024
Rude
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>>24985014

Kys op
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>>24985014
Les Guérillères obviously
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>>24985024
Quite the obsession with niggers you have there.

I'm ready for the third series.
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>starts his book with a multi page autistic infodump
what causes this phenomenon
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>>24984253
I don't think he'll write it.
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I think he will write it but maybe he feels he fucked up in some crucial way to get the ending he wants

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Reading Translations is not reading.
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>>24983944 me
>>24983952
Let's take a term like Schein in Nietzsche, which I think is often translated with something like 'appearance' or whatever. There is just simply no english word for Schein, but no worries: you can learn to understand the word by studying its german meanings. You will have to take note of Schein's connotations with illusion, and that it is also the same word for 'shine' (as in: the sun shines).

You have effectively learned a word of german and only now can you understand the real intention of this Nietzsche text.

So in the end you still need to learn german to understand what Nietzsche is writing.

Expanding on the full nuance of every awkward-to-translate german word in a translation will make for a completely sexless and unreadable text, obviously.
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>>24983605
I have learned, but for non-fiction and STEM books (mainly Maschinenbau).
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>>24984221
ah yes this type of omnipresent stupidity that believes it can bypass meaning and cut straight to objectivity again. Disgusting, but let's take it seriously so we cannot be blamed for sophistry.

Translate your post into ancient Greek and ask yourself if Socrates would understand its meaning as you meant it. He wouldn't

Secondly, your assertion that
>All true statements can be translated into any language.
implies that every language had found a way to adequately and exhaustively speak about truth; and furthermore that 'true sentences' in all languages can be seamlessly transposed to one another so as to mean exactly the same thing. This is absurd.

Thirdly I think the very notion of truth is problematic, and the idea that truth could be 'captured' as it were in a sentence even more so.
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>>24983944
This is because Dutch and German are so similar they might as well be classified as the same language. Even the schein example you used is 1:1 with the Dutch concept of the word. Ironically Prussian calvinism was based on misunderstandings from Dutch philosophy.
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I'd rather learn a language that will be useful.
Literally everyone in Germany speaks English. They've made their own language obsolete.

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Pls recommend dark fantasy books for me to read
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>>24986103
highly recommend Viriconium
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>>24986103
I would recommend you read Escape From Dildo Island IV: Revenge of Dildo Island, based on the famous eponymous lotion picture.
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Image and topic say it all, I have all three and debating which to read to kick off the new year. I wish I could do wild sheep chase or south of the border again but Ive read them both.

Also I have the missing chapters downloaded and annotated WUBC but is it really necessary to read it this way or can I just read what’s in the shitty translation?

General Murakami thread if you like.
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>>24984496
I am currently re-reading it after being disappointed by it a few years back. It has grown on me a lot, I think it starts off very strong and while I love the setting in the mountains it feels like it spins its wears a lot in the middle portion. Feels like there way too many chapters describing the same thing over and over without much real development. Maybe that was the point but I think the lack of any true antagonistic force for most of the novel is a problem, menshiki is an interesting enigma but he never feels threatening, same with the commendatore. Also this is a minor criticism but I find it hard to believe the character is in his 30s and has no idea how to use computers and social media, felt like Murakami just didn't know himself and couldn't be bothered. I do like that he returned to writing in the first person though, I think it suits his writing much better
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>>24985473
Maybe /co/ is more your speed
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Disregarding Murakami's works and reading something else is the only correct answer.
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>>24983314
Wind up bird 100%
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>>24983377
You have poor taste (low intellect)


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