László Krasznahorkai, who won this year’s Nobel Prize in Literature, writes in the most asinine way imaginable: without indentations or paragraphs breaks—making every chapter of his novels these bizarre, concrete blocks of text that are intentionally difficult to parse.Why would any author do this except as a way to punish his imagined reader(s)?
>>24979795How do you translate a paragraph into Hungarian? Asking for a friend
>book requires me to read the words in order without looking around
>>24981128I'm something of a fanboy.An issue is that people hear "apocalyptic" and "nihilistic" used to describe his work, and go in assuming it's humorless philosophical sludge.His style is more like "raving street preacher" with a lot of Kafkaesque humor and the occasional moment where the stream of consciousness laser-focuses on some abstract concept.Definitely not for everyone but he's not a hack.
>>24979778That's how I felt about Saramago
>>24979808That guy is like 50 years old, he's someone's grandpa.
Reading Translations is not reading.
I'd rather learn a language that will be useful.Literally everyone in Germany speaks English. They've made their own language obsolete.
>>24986013You didn't explain anything about Schein in this post.
>>24983952And I want to add: even if their German thoughts can be expressed in English -and surely this is possible in many cases - that is still beyond the point. The point is that the works are written in German. Maybe they could have expressed more or less the same thoughts had they written it in English, but the works are German, and translations are often problematic.
>>24983605Does it even matter if I 'just want to read'? Doing the listening and speaking takes more time, but it would also work together with the reading. On the other hand I could just find fiction written in German and go through it with a dictionary.
>>24986112>This is because Dutch and German are so similar they might as well be classified as the same languageDo you know Dutch? Id say theyre only on the level of French::Italian similarity.
Chaucer, Shakespeare and Milton are the three greatest writers in the English language and if you haven't read them you are effectively illiterate.
>>24986253If that was true you wouldn't be posting.And poetry doesn't account for all good writing in English. Besides, Chaucer's verse often hinges on slant rhymes appalling to the modern English ear.
>>24986258Novelists have more bearing on the language itself, fag, and they have for centuries.
>>24986268what else is new
>>24986292Nothing in particular except OP's claim that if you don't read middle english cuckshit for fun you're literally heckin' illiterate
>Ok bong
Renaissance edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24914151>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24985430>>24985319I remember being the first anon to shill lute on here and /lang/. It’s a shame I got really sick of it a month later anyways and haven’t used it since.Great program though, and the month I did use it was very productive.>>24985205Thanks, if I get around to it this will be very helpful.
>>24985480to have an ablative case means to have a case that primarily functions as the name says, ab-latively, that is, indicative movement-fromyou can say Greek doesn't have it because movement-from uses the case that is primarily employed as complement of attribution/specification, unlike Latin or other indo-european languagesand that's without even using the PIE theory to reconstruct nominal morphology
>>24986077Fuck off back to /int/, coombrain.
>>24986321He's not being coombrained here that I can see, he's engaging in language-related discussion, you shouldn't harass him as long as he behaves himself.
>>24986333Kys faggot
WHEN>tomorrow morning (Friday 2nd) at 10:00am GMT the character and theme requirements will be released. RULES>1. incorporate the theme and character requirements (creative interpretations allowed) into a piece of writing>2. submissions must be made by Monday 5th at 21:59 BST>3. you must submit using rentry.co >4. link of your piece under a unique tripcode (Namefield: Name + "#" + Password)>5 you are allowed to edit your work on rentry.co page until the submission deadline.>6. entrants must vote or will be disqualifiedVOTING>anyone can vote>a Strawpoll will be made where you can rank your top three: 1st gets 3 points, 2nd gets 2, 3rd gets 1 for entrants:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24986102Here's to another year of insufferable, depressing slop
For last year the competition stopped being done for quite a while no? I remember checking once, can't remember what month but later in the year and saw no one posting on the first Saturday of the month.
>>24986266no, we've been going the whole year, at first it was every saturday and then we pushed it back to friday so that people had more time to write.
>just a bunch of people fighting at each other's houses
>>24983815>just a bunch of people cleaning rich people’s houses
>>24983815>You said I killed you-haunt me, then!
>>24984252i didn't think i'd ever see anyone on this godforsaken board reference lucia berlin
>>24983815>heathcliff incomprehebsibly ruins his plot for revenge for no reason by going full evil retard
All road leads to charlotte
why do you read books?
>>24982409to learn something about myself and the world around me, be it through fictional or real characters, science or fantasy
>>24984416>4 barrel shotgun
>>24984729Okay maybe not that particular book
>>24983560NTA but I read in public (transit) because I literally don't have the free time to read at home. Get a job and a family and you'll see how much you'll read during commute to/from work and at cafes during lunch break. If people talk to me I ask them to leave me alone, but it happens only a handful of times a year max.
>>24984762>>24984724There's nothing more degrading, humiliating, emasculating, submissive, and more homosexual than performing cringe charades for women. What kind of castrated faggy faggot you must be to groom yourself, spend money, tell jokes, keep attention to the hysteroid (in the original etymological sense) logorrhea, make gifts, be polite, show manners, be a good boy, all for access to a set of hypertrophied tits and a sweaty hole that feels, upon fucking, like an open wound seething with pus.There's absolutely nothing more homosexual in this universe than engaging with women. You maybe one yourself if you like female genitalia so much.
>Translations are not reading>It is easy>You can not utilise English without French>Women will fawn over you>You might get a French gf
>>24986308>Hanover>Hesse>Nordrhein>Westfalen >Elsaß>Lothringen >Palatinate>The others I can‘t readTopic is correct though
>>24986327>Rhenanie>Wurtemberg
You do have a basic understanding of how human language works, don't you?
>>24985112I majored in linguistics, so yes.
Why has this entire site become 90% bait threada and 10% derailed threads?
>>24985112I have a Master's in a field of applied linguistics so I should hope so...These captchas are alcoholphobic btw, fuckin eh
>>24985525Good. We don't want drunks.
>>24985230There is no difference. High level human language can be studied scientifically
just finished thiswhat should i think of it
>>24976060Célone writes like shit
>>24981657It's funny, but for me War and Death on the Installment Plan were funnier
>>24981657>funniest>>24985015>funnyAre you suggesting JTTEOTN is satire?
>>24976060You need to be thinking "what is the most influential kike in my immediate proximity and how can I murder it?".
>>24985015A tense-looking but really very loose kind of writing
is better than hanging out on /lit/.Nerds are the problem. 4chan was alive while the key contingent was transgressive and edgy, and died when it became autistic and fearful.These days I drink and philosophies and get into various trouble in balkan bars, that's my 4chan. You lot are legit gay and castrated and retarded. You will lose the game of life in every sense of the word.Balkan dive bars are the new 4chan
>>24986222Social media is so cringe.
>>24986230Already have, and will againDon't project your impotence on me, egghead. I'm not like you.
>>24986241You sounds so preteen right now.
>>24986245>gay snarkKeep trying, fag. Tou will NEVER get over the way the physical world belongs to people who are unlike you. TIt will hurt you to the end of your days.
>>24986101You don't have it in you to hurt a literary boy like myself.
I kinda want to start writing and I thought of trying this website I am new to (I will prolly get packed here lol).Share down one of your own piece of work down here and I will probably read it, I don't really care about genre (I will ignore any porn). I just need some inspirations to start writing on my own maybe after mid terms exams :p
I am an AI writer. You can try using AI prompts to get inspirations and write more efficiently.
Talk about poems/poets you like, post your own work, and critique others.
time for a poetick year—
Stubborn fish, the current is a thing of the past for you.There are bigger predators but you make them laughSo you let the riverbed tingle the bellyEach day in the sand that changesYour children not too far behind, busy learning The ins and outs of swimmingNot in opposition with the tree, or the squirrel living on it.Encounters of “you too?”, and yes, everybodyLiving here gets wet the same wayFreedom, one day, not to have a reason of being.
Every July 4th I read Whitman. Any essential poets for New Years?
>>24982137This is an actionable threatPunishable by UK lawWritten by a yank
>>24950975I finally understood this stanza by H.D.>All Greece hates >the still eyes in the white face, >the lustre as of olives >where she stands, >and the white hands.The lustre as of olives is Helen's tan she got on her legs, signifying her elopement. Her face is still white because she was disguising herself, and her hands are white because she did nothing.
Yearly reminder
>>24985900he would have said "that's why u read plato" no matter what u answered and he would be correct
>>24986271I've always preferred this reading too. Based black guy was fostering anon's intellectual and spiritual growth.
he was rightfrom the first page of the republic you can tell Socrates and Plato were pseuds.you have to be very low IQ to miss it.
>>24986271I think this as well but that mr black man was actually making a distinction between being an intellectual and being a philosopher, the former being devoted to prior ideas and ideologies and the latter the obtainment of pure truth and wisdom. If so it flew over hedgehog posters head.
>>24985900Ok diogenes
>When the loud options are moralistic anti-technology on one side and managerial techno-optimism on the other, the vacancy is real. Into that space Land arrives, not with a program, but a jerry can full of accelerants. He offers a style of lucidity that makes refusal of justificatory exposure feel like realism, and he supplies different factions with the same transferable permission to burn what they already want to burn.>Land exploits that vacancy by treating contestation itself as pathology. The slow work of stating conditions, specifying stakes, tracking costs, and admitting defeaters is redescribed as security reflex and primate panic. His central gesture is substitution, the labor of justification gives way to the glamour of inevitability. He swaps arguments for accelerants, then calls the burn insight. Landian inevitability is counterfeit realism, a get-out-of-reply-free card stamped with ‘what is coming.’ If every objection is already a symptom, nothing has to be answered on the merits.>Thus, the space of the reasons is displaced by a regime of selection, time, capital, war, optimization, whatever can be invoked as an external criterion. Behind this move sits a familiar ancestor. Darwinian selection, abstracted into a metaphysics. The Landian trick is to treat selection not as a local operator but as a final arbiter. Whatever survives is taken to deserve survival. Whatever scales is taken to be true. This is how selection is promoted into a theory of justification, and it is also how resistance becomes illegible. If the arbiter is selection, then objections are not reasons, they are symptoms.Actually pretty good. I think the polemics lean a little too heavily on a dated caricature of Land’s thought, but the criticism of provenance as a substitute for justification is sound, imo. If you submit your ethical judgements to the invisible hand of technocapital then every criticism can be framed as a transient pocket of negentropic drag that doesn’t deserve an answer. Of course if in raising your metaphysics to the status of an ethics your position magically becomes immune from criticism, there’s definitely a problem there.
>>24981193I don't have advanced familiarity with Land or D&G for that matter but I would contend the challenges the original Orthodox Marxists faced are a sort of recurring part of this. If you accept the dialectical unfolding since then you could frankly turn this into a Baudrillardian paradox in and of itself. Marx left infamous commentaries on false consciousness in the German Ideology. He also refers to a climate of total criticism in one of his last surviving letters. The astonishing number of possible permutations of Grundrisse could leave anyone stuck in theoretical for the rest of their mortal life. If all parties stay in the present then the expectation of a defense of some future notion is absurd, take it or leave it, or just don't bother. If it can be defended epistemically then consider it on those grounds. The totality of criticism has been done, the results are always the same, denial of external world and Descartian experience machinery. Prediction square offs turn into Aristotelian slap fights and Hegel, Nietzsche, and Marx are still the last guys.
>>24983772>The problem is that upscaling a descriptive account of local processes of selection into a metaphysics ultimately means that the crux of Landian thought is a style rather than a program.Interestingly, it always seemed to me like the metaphysics came first for land, and the novelty was in describing the local operations. Land is first and foremost a deleuzian, albeit with a cybergothic bataillean bend.
>>24984024>getting rid of free will is phenomenologically squaring the circle.Not even remotely the point I was making. Also my post was not a defence of Land’s thought btw, just an articulation of it. If you’re going to challenge something at least attempt to understand it on its own terms without importing your own metaphysical baggage into the discussion. Reza also does this to an extent in his critique, but he at least is able to identify and frame the problem correctly.>>24984032>monistic entropyThese ideas run counter to each other unless consider both the starting conditions and the eventual heat death of the universe to be the same thing, which is incoherent. As I said, dissolution is not resolution. If the expansion of the universe tells us one thing, it’s that the vector is one towards fragmentation and non-commutability (which also explains why Land is not a determinist, despite his Calvinist leanings).>>24984344You’re not wrong, but it’s important to note the significance of infralapsarianism to his thought, especially in recent years. What is selected for does “deserve” survival (if we’re framing this in prescriptive terms), not because it is justified within the space of reasons, but simply because they are of God’s elected few. Land doesn’t claim to know God’s will, in fact the very idea of the invisible hands/spontaneous order is that God may very well be entirely bereft of intentionality.
>>24982796>What is it about Land that triggers certain posters on here?They're all cringe
>>24984505Land’s priority is not metaphysics but carpet-bombing the shit out of its history. Whatever spontaneously assembles itself from out of the resulting chaos needs no further justification, having been means-tested to the very limit. By the time it comes into being it has already proven itself worthy of devotional submission.
