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>>24947068
Chinese and Japs have some kino
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>>24944482
AI reponses should warrant a permaban
kill yourself you cocksucking faggot
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>>24948477
What's your argument? That AI post is literally more intelligent and meaningful than your post.
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>>24944496
>Gregory Hayes
I think Hayes is an interesting case.
He has made the best translation of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations by far.
But he also has shown he knows fuck all of Stoic philosophy in some texts of his about it in the George Floyd era.
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Best translation for this scene?

Ἁλικαρνασσόθεν edition

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>24877858

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

>Mέγα τὸ ANE·
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

>Work in progress FAQ
https://rentry dot co/n8nrko

All Classical languages are welcome.
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Anyone start out memorizing all principal parts of the Greek verbs in Anki before studying their specific grammar? I hope this pays off well because it is tough with the irregularities, finding the paradigms, etc. wiktionary is somewhat messy in this regard. I got a very high grasp of the overall Greek verb structure though and it is pretty cool. There is a,so this iPhone app called Hoi Polloi Logioi which is good for drilling verb conjugations
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>>24947398
doing Athenaze's decks I preferred to keep it in line with the grammar seen up to that point so earlier verbs have only present, then there's some verbs with present, aorist first person, and then eventually all principal parts
but at the end of the day those verbs were in the first chapters because they are common thus one will meet principal parts often anyway by reading
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I am trying to understand relative pronouns in ancient Greek. The following construct I understand:
ἀρά πιστεύεις τοῖς λόγοις οὓς λέγω;
meaning: do you believe the words which I say?
It makes sense since the relative pronoun is in the accusative. But what if it's in the dative?:
ἀρά πιστεύεις τοῖς λόγοις οἷς λέγω;
I am assuming this is a case of attractio relativi? Would then the translation be something like:
do you believe the words that I believe?
but what happens to λέγω then? Is it just dropped entirely from translation?
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>>24948653
>Would then the translation be something like:
>do you believe the words that I believe?
I don't see why, attraction in your sentence as shortened version of the first sentence with the same meaning probably would look more like ἀρὰ πιστεύεις οἷς λέγω;
maybe I don't understand what you mean to do
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>>24948733
>maybe I don't understand what you mean to do
the two sentences were already "given to me". I am trying to understand what the difference between the two is or rather, why one would write that sentence with the relative pronoun in the dative to begin with

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In a world where 90% of the internet traffic is online video streaming, to detriment of the environment and our minds, why aren't you rejecting modernity and going to the library? The library is literally free and fun for all ages. It is the most environmentally and civic minded thing you can do. Instead of being in a haze of pleasure, living in a digital cocoon of reels and streams, why aren't you forging the future of humanity? The weight of the world is on your shoulders and only you can make a better world.
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>>24947159
I'm just tired of the librarium man. Why don't we just build cyber cafes to remove the laptop people? What are we gaining from the librarium getting dumped with generic tech books, generic biography books, generic social issues books, generic fantasy. Why are librarians even a thing anymore? Can't you just get fake answers to your made up keyboard warrior jobs through the multi trillion dollar nuclear reactor powered lying machines like chatGPT or gemini? What do we need phone charging stations for? What do we need the public roblox machines for? Why are you even in the librarium to print things? Just get a shitty chromebook at walmart. Fuck it man. Just shut em all down along with the university scams, build affordable housing/gardens/farms in its place. Any academics in future should just be monks in churches/temples with candles. Everyone else should just go back to medieval games.
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honestly I think libraries should, at least in part, be devoted to digitizing stuff in their collection (that doesn't have known digital copies) to a very high standard of quality
also digitizing collection items of special interest, such as books owned by famous authors that have notes written in them
they should also do bookbinding and serious book repair
I don't know of a single library anywhere near me that does this stuff
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>>24944042
I laughed.
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>why aren't you forging the future of humanity?
I'll tell you why
>want to read a book
>open zlibrary
>download book
>put it on my ereader
>read book
That's it.
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>>24948765
nuff said

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>read a book
>it's good
>read it again
>it's even gooder
name even one time this has happened
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>>24946447
This.
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My diary desu
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>>24943875
VERE ARE ZE BOOKS, LEBOVSKI??!?!!?!
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>be french canadian hick
>have incredible passion for auto racing and mechanics
>have no money, have to steal tools, have to live in an RV with your family
>somehow work your way from racing snowmobiles to racing single seaters and get noticed for beating a former F1 champion
>get the most prestigious seat in auto racing
>almost become world champion but come up just short
>stay loyal to the most romantic team in auto racing during their worst era and put up some of the most legendary drives of all time in subpar equipment
>be the only everyman in a sport full of rich dicks
>finally get a car that can win you the championship
>get betrayed by your team
>die in a horrible accident

The book writes itself. I cry every time.
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>>24943875
>any Dostoevsky book
>Laurus

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What did I think?
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>>24947523
The publisher gave Seuss a list of 200 words he was allowed to use and he ended up writing multiple books using only them. That anon couldn't write something as good as The Cat in the Hat without such limitations.
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>>24946201
Dr. Seuss books are genuinely lightyears better than most other children’s books, and this is obvious as a father reading hundreds of different children’s books to my kid.
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I utterly loathe how The Grinch has become a part of Christmas mythology. Stuff like yard decor and Grinch photo shoots is like seeing Facebook minions posting IRL.
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>Doesn't steal Christmas
Fucking false advertisement
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>>24948627
We got a Grinch here that needs some bullying.

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Mention here literature according to /lit/ suitable to matriculate as a real /x/-ian. Or if /x/ was /lit/ cohorts first.
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>>24946516
If you're interested in spooky weirdness that's also quite emotionally profound check out The Shadow Book of Ji Yun. It was written in Qing Dynasty China, but many of the stories themselves are timeless and highly resembles commonly reported paranormal phenomena of current times.

The Highest Strangeness by Richard Freeman is also a fascinating read.
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>>24946528
The relevant information in the OT to occultists seeking power is the story of the development of the western mind. You're not even close to literate.
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>>24948385
Great recs anon, I'll be checking both of these out. Thank you.
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>>24948417
Glad to hear it, enjoy!
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Otherside Picnic is literally about netlore as a medium for otherwordy beings to intrude upon earth.

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>blocks your path
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>>24945709
You'd be surprised how many muslim women have lost their 'anal virginity'. Its just a larp.
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>>24945913
Maybe 100 years ago, now unless they marry each other at 16 there is none. Even "trad" women won't veil

>>24945916
And that in an Islamic society would be lashings or death for Zina
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Bump
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>>24946801
Bump
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>>24945802
>In this respect Christianity is far below
But he doesn't even explain why the aforementioned is wrong. Plato also thought the denial of a fact was a moral wrong. Most non-religious ethics systems also would say that purposely and knowingly denying a fact (aka, lying) is morally wrong. Punishing what is deemed to be morally wrong in a society doesn't seem like an issue to me, Feuerfag

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Man, you're right, Aristotleanon. Christian apologists are the worst when it comes to anally raping the Aristotelian corpus beyond recognition. They don't fucking understand anything. They don't understand dunamis, they don't understand energeia, they don't understand Metaphysics Zeta, they don't understand syllogisms, and they definitely do not understand the four causes.

I just had apologist tell me, definitively, that Palamas was a top scholar of Aristotle (lmfao), and that De Anima isn't about life at all, since according to Palamas, only human beings have life because you somehow need "intelligence" to be "self-subsistent" (fucking LOL). Even when you read Aquinas's commentary on passages like the controversial active intellect, you can see him at pains to make the active intellect cohere with the passive intellect into one united soul. And then he fails to do so. But then magically says "but it has to be the case, and so it is." I ask another apologist, is an intellect which becomes everything, something which changes or otherwise remains as it is? And obviously, they short-circuit. Because obviously, that's the kind of intellect that we have, and it can't be active in any pure sense. So Aquinas is wrong and our intellects are perishable in the sense that it is soul. Oh the horror!!!

These fucks have absolutely destroyed Peripatetic commentary throughout history, and they polluted literally everything, especially the translations, with the most hamfisted articulations possible to the point where intelligent conversations with them are not possible. Their brains are wrapped in verbal poison. If you ever get caught up in it, you basically have to spend years unlearning Scholastic hackery as it pertains to the deepest parts of the Aristotelian thought to even have a CHANCE at beginning to understand its depths.
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>>24948617
So it's schizophrenia then.
Your question doesn't help interrogate anything. It's manipulative nonsense that now turns out is based on your inability to read, not any coherent thought process we can actually explore.

Like all things the mind needs potency and action.
The mind becomes all things through senses but it also creates through imagination.
For imagination the role of potency is played by the possibility space of all reality, not a passive part of the mind like when the mind acts to recognize a cup.
The book up to then is mostly about the human mind except in this sense:
>the soul is in a way all existing things; for existing things are either sensible or thinkable, and knowledge is in a way what is knowable, and sensation is in a way what is sensible: in what way we must inquire.
>Knowledge and sensation are divided to correspond with the realities, potential knowledge and sensation answering to potentialities, actual knowledge and sensation to actualities.
He then turns to the souls of animals which can't access "actual knowledge" through the active intellect.
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>>24947161
Christians are quite literally subhuman morons, there is no such thing as a christian with a 130+ IQ. They're too stupid to study actual philosophy and math so they study christian theology.
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>>24948617
>That's what soul is. It's the form of living beings, and some souls have powers of thinking. This is the whole point.
What I don't understand, and maybe you can clear this up, is how those powers are attributes of the form (eidos, yeah?) itself. Because it seems to me that then the form (of the man) is changing whenever you cognise a new thing. If that's what is meant then fine I just need to think about it more but it seems at odds with a man having a persistent form, which is what he is to keep on being / essence, for that form to change passively while he's thinking.

>>24948685
>So it's schizophrenia then.
I am a Christian and when the guy you're replying to is being a lot more lucid than you are (like now) I don't think this sort of remark helps at all.
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>>24948603
Bud, no offense, but you're not even getting the little snippet you're basing your entire assessment off right.

But I don't even think you're trying to understand. You think displaying your own ignorance is some sort of gotcha. You're engaged in the equivalent of some modern assuming that when they see "soul" in an English translation of Aristotle it means some sort of sui generis Cartesian thinking substance, and then accusing Aristotle of believing in magic homunculi that pilot the body because he used the term soul and then calls it "immaterial."
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>>24948603
Also, fully subsistent relations only exist in the Trinity. This is not a problem for the Christians, but an obvious consequence of creation ex nihilo. Creatures are not wholly intelligible in themselves. It is "in God that we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28).

But this is a problem even in the Pagan tradition because nothing seems wholly intelligible or active in itself. Things are revealed through their interactions and their external context makes them what they are. There is a thick relationality and dynamism apparent in the world (later we would say all things exist in a semiotic web). This is also why Aquinas says all the efforts of the human mind cannot exhaust the essence of a single fly. Eriugena says something quite similar at the opening of the Periphyseon.

>And I think it's lost on Palamas that if you take away life as part of the essence of an animal because life supposedly needs rationality for "true" self-subsistence (which is a ridiculous definition of self-subsistence in the first place), then you also have to take away life from the essence of human beings because human beings are in potency to God and therefore not truly self-subsistent either.

Rose tinted glasses or not, you are horribly misreading this passage. The point isn't that animals aren't living organisms, it's that their souls aren't immortal. When you totally butcher your reading of a passage it's hard to take you seriously.

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What magazines are /lit/?
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>>24948085
no you can't
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>>24948033
>Harper's is actively against compromising with the internet age.
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>>24946453
pic unrelated I guess?
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>>24948737
you didn't even read the article you dumb nig
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>>24946722
Double digit IQ and likely a pederast

>>24946453
There are no currently publishing magazines of quality. No one who can write or think writes for "magazines" in the 2020s.

Good night frens.
Tell me your:
>favorite poet
>favorite playwright
>favorite composer
So I have some new comfy suggestions.
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Tolkien
Shakespeare
Beethoven

Obvious basic choices, but I refuse to apologize for my taste.
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>>24940941
Chaucer
Aristophanes
Wagner
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>>24947638
Has to be bait.
>>24947670
Please be bait.
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>>24940941
>Marina Tsvetayeva
>William Shakespeare
>Claudio Monteverdi
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Fernando Pessoa
Eugene O'Neill
Erik Satie or Federico Mompou

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Desperately reconcile with your irredeemable faith, sheep.
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>>24948336
99% of women think he looks good.
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>>24948379
Nah man. Not long ago clips of this dude wormed their way into my algorithm. I had to block it all because this dude is insufferable.
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>>24948329
>(vague r/atheism post)
>here's my husbando btw (IM GAY)
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This guy is a great soldier in the war to continue to destroy the disgusting christian religion.
Reminder that atheism is growing faster than any religion, and christianity is the fastest dying religion in Europe and the united states.
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>>24948717
Ah dang man, I’m super upset rn, gosh

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Just got caught up with this series, it's about feudal power armor knights doing battle with terminators and robot demi-gods where the main character kills a female robot so hard that she basically comes back as a female yandere robot that desperately needs to be impregnated by the main character.

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Which books should I read to best understand the argentinian soul?
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Dios mío por qué siempre tiene que entrar un autista a postear puras citas? Si máquina, yo también puedo leer la fuente primaria
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>>24948076
yo creo que te estas haciendo el lindo.
que sos sino argentino?
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>>24943418
>>24945433
>>24947827
>>24946621
Do you any recs on italo-argentine writers instead?
Any kind of literature, not just about Argentina
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>>24948593
Cumgenius es Mexicano
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>>24948122
>Chileans don't drink yerba mate

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Recommend some Soviet literature to me.
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>>24948657
Every old sci-fy fan recommends the Strugatsky brothers.
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Better than Life & Fate because it made the same Westoid critics who praised L&F for its criticisms of Stalin seethe on account of Stalingrad's praise of the Red Army
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>>24948657
The Day Lasts More Than a Hundred Years - Chinghiz Aitmatov

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So they adapted a Pynchon novel for film
I've never read Pynchon before but like
"One Battle After Another" - what the FUCK is this turbo jogger leftist power fanstasy bullshit?
I always realized Hollywood is a bunch left-leaning cucks but holy fuck they outdid themselves with this one.
The level of blatant propaganda is on par with fucking commie films of Stalin's era or something.
This guy made "There will be blood" and now this what the fuck. This movie doesn't even feel real, it's a caricature of a movie.

Tell me bros is Pynchon cringe plebbitor shit like that and not based? Le speaking truth to power
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So if you guys don't like this book what is it exactly that you DO read that is post modern? Do you read anything modern?
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>>24948690
what was postmodern about vineland?
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>>24948696
I came here to understand what people today read. You can't just answer the question can you?
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>>24948699
it's a poorly formed question.
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>>24948690
>reading modernists
Degueu. I read 19th century historical novels and old classics, not narratively and aesthetically fried "form experiments".


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