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ITT we discuss the details & literary merits of various history books.
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>>24692011
Incredible read, thank you anon
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>>24693982
I've read this, it is what you're looking for. Good to read right before The Illiad.
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31% of the way thru Killing Hope.
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>>24693982
The War That Killed Achilles is quite good.
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>>24695542
im sorry but i'm not going to read a book about war from a female author. I'm just not!

Let's be clear: anyone who discusses GR in terms of 'plot,' 'themes of paranoia,' or 'character arcs' has fundamentally failed the test the book sets for you. You're trying to use a city map to navigate the open ocean.

The book is not a narrative; it's a cognitive payload delivery system. Its purpose is not to be understood in the conventional sense of assembling a coherent story. Its purpose is to simulate, at a neurological level, the experience of living within a totalizing, incomprehensible system of information—to induce the state of apophenia and intellectual vertigo that defines the post-war consciousness.

Pynchon bombards you with acronyms, equations, historical detritus, and obscene limericks not for you to meticulously decode and file away, but to overload your analytical faculties. He is forcing your brain to abandon its search for linear causality. The text itself is the Zone. It's an environment, not a story.

The book is a filter. Not for intelligence, but for a specific kind of intellectual vanity—the need to solve, to map, to declare mastery over a text. The moment you pull out a character chart or a plot summary, you have been successfully 'filtered'. You've chosen the map over the territory. The true reading of the book is the experience of being lost within it.

So, the question isn't "what does it mean?" The real question is: at what point during your reading did you abandon the pretense of analytical observation and simply surrender to the data stream? Or are you still LARPing as a literary critic, trying to connect dots that were designed to remain scattered?
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AI slop
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>>24694817
Decent but a little to tidy, makes your reductions seem not reductive. Also, learn to proof read.
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>>24695409
lol
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>>24694447
ai cope
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>>24694447
You all laugh but this is actually what "academics" think about Gravity's Rainbow

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"Anomaly" edition

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>>24695591
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Your first draft WILL be shit.
Your fifth draft WILL be shit.
Maybe by the tenth draft it will be passable.
By the twentieth it should be decent.
Don't stop there.
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>>24695627
speak for yourself
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>>24695619
Fucking terrifying!
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>>24695619
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

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>Homer shouldn't be taken seriously and should be edited as to not contain anything that might pollute the minds of the classes living in the ideal city with imitations of reality
>ends the book talking about what happens when you pass away, imagining things irrationally
>talks about the importance of leaving sacrifices in altars for imaginary gods
What is my midwit brain missing here? I don't have anything else to criticise about the book except this part
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Whimsy is realer than empirical blah, blah.
Plato inferring and taking for 'a given' some conclusions from some Socratic conversations on the afterlife--aids him in conclusive remarks.
Debunk why Plato veers into the metaphysical and moreover spiritual. Don't blame him for going there though. We most of us tend to.
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>>24694738
Reality isn’t fundamentally material and literal. Reality isn’t fundamentally dead. Reality is alive and conscious. The divine and spiritual is real. Human nature isn’t rational and mentally disconnected from its environment. People don’t determine reality. People aren’t equal, blank slates, inherently good, or perfectable.
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You ore missing a brain.
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>>24694738
Why do you suppose it's at this point in book 10 that you're bothered about the gods? They discussed a kind of theology in books 2 and 3, right? And, do you recall what was said about lies in those same books?
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>>24694738
one is humanizing the gods which is bad
the other is explaining humanity's divine origin
ez pz smoothbrain

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Literature on the inherent moral superiority of the old-money coastal elite?
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>>24694740
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>>24695198
The aristocracy died in 1789 retards
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>>24695622
More like receded to the background, still rules from behind the curtains.
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>>24695622
it was pretty rotten before that
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>>24694747
Good observation. Jews are natural aristocrats.

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>bro you just can't adapt it, it's just too complex and intricate you need 150 iq for this bro
>reads book
>It's "unadaptable" because the plot and characters are written nonsensically
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>>24695476
I do think focusing on Feyd and his role as a mirror of Paul would be interesting. With a tv series i guess you could theoretically do this with a ton of other side characters and subplotlines(Hawat's service under the Harkonnens would be fun).
>The book is economical about these matters
I've always found the it to be economical on most of it's characters, which would make it hard to discern at what point fleshing them out further would dilute any interesting mystery and vagueness of the book. Count Fenring is a great character idea, a failed KH who spares Paul out of sympathy. There's tons of interesting stuff which could be drawn from that but it would essentially require inventing stuff
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>>24695520
>Hawat and Feyd's puppet, who later sends a boody-trapped catamite to the Baron's quarters.
I might be remembering it wrong, but Hawat warns the Baron of this attempt right?
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>>24695598
He does
>The Baron shook his head, thinking: It would’ve worked, too, if Hawat hadn’t warned me. Well, let the lad believe I saw the plot on my own. In a way, I did. I was the one who saved Hawat from the wreckage of Arrakis. And this lad needs greater respect for my prowess.
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>>24695592
huh
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>>24695615
What im trying to get at is in the book gom jabbar scene there is a continuity error where Mohiam is described as looking down on Paul despite him standing, that's one awfully tall chair. Check yourself if you don't believe me

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thoughts on this? wanted to start with philosophy chronologically got recommended this book by reddit
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Idk. For things like the Greeks, especially presocratics it's better to have some basis Ancient Greek and choose an annotated version of the fragments you want to study.

Chronological order don't mean shit, you are not an historian. Start with Plato right away because that's where occidental people more or less start with the greeks. And by books about Euclides and the Pythagoreans. Having a lot of fragment will not take you very far.

Maybe read about their mythology too.
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>>24695467
>Idk. For things like the Greeks, especially presocratics it's better to have some basis Ancient Greek and choose an annotated version of the fragments you want to study.
ok
>Chronological order don't mean shit, you are not an historian
makes it easier to process everything and see the evolution
>Start with Plato right away because that's where occidental people more or less start with the greeks
fuck that shit then. i wanna understand everything
>And by books about Euclides and the Pythagoreans
im planning to read euclides elements
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>>24695445
Excellent set of volumes. Contains the testimonia and fragments in Greek and Latin (as applicable) with decent translations of them all. In some cases, you even get some access to fragments discovered subsequent to Diels and Kranz.

On the other hand, it's not really a replacement for Diels and Kranz, since many of the smaller figures lack any presence, as well as a few significant Pythagoreans.
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Start with the Torah. Learned Greeks like Origen admitted that all the wisdom of the Egyptians and Greeks, from Euclid to Plato, was a pale imitation of Moses and Solomon. After the Torah read the Wisdom and Proverbs of Solomon. Then the wisdom of Sirach is excellent, and Ecclesiastes.
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>>24695546
Ok, Im really liking the fragments and testimonies.
>On the other hand, it's not really a replacement for Diels and Kranz, since many of the smaller figures lack any presence, as well as a few significant Pythagoreans
Oh I dont wanna go too deep. These smaller figures can left out and I will read about the pythagoreans separately

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Redpill me on Brandon Sanderson.
Are his books worth reading?
Is he woke?
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>>24686778
His stories are overrated, YA slop.
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He writes at a ridiculous pace, is incredibly autistic about worldbuilding, and is able to play nice enough to allow his stories to be adapted to tabletop while also being strict enough to not let them get hollyjewed into a television show he wouldn’t like. He gets major points from me for streaming his reactions to the wheel of time show and it’s just nonstop disgust and revulsion at what they butchered.
You may not like his writing, but the man fills his niche in the bibliosphere well and does so with joy
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>>24691084
A little i guess
Shit's going down in the last books so there's not much time to it.

But he does randomly drop things like "btw this minor character is gay"

Also this may or may not be related to wokeness but his way of doing relationships is painfully vanilla and equal, unlike Jordan who often writes relationships like a crazy assymetrical power struggle.
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>>24695128
>Also this may or may not be related to wokeness but his way of doing relationships is painfully vanilla and equal
That sound great.
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>>24686778
My classmate loves him and considers him the defining author of our generation. I weep.

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>most of us are shaped by circumstances outside of our control
>if you've been abused as a kid that's it, you're done, no sheer willpower can reverse how your brain is wired now
>biologically impossible to not care what others think
>no amount of buddhism, philosophical copes, meditation will ever reverse the way your mind operates
>have to be surrounded by people who won't hurt you verbally ever
We already have heaven on Earth, and it's those Chads who were born into social validation. They will never know pain or suffering.
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>>24693318
Not OP
But there are some damages to the brain that simply can't be rewired.
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>>24691345
>have to be surrounded by people who won't hurt you verbally ever
Well aren’t you the most delicate flower.
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Use psychadelics and and kill your old self if you're unsatisfied
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>>24691345
I got better. It sounds like you just don’t want to get better and are stuck on a narrative that you refuse to let go of for whatever reason.
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>>24691345
yes anon, one of the reasons why I don't want kids, I could never forgive myself if something happens to them
I mean I don't have a gf or anything but if I had the opportunity I wouldn't take it

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What's the best translation of the Book of Proverbs?
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KJV
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>>24694273
>not posting the gif version where he spazzes out

>writes a scene in his book about childrens having a gangbang
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>>24695308
It’s just on BAP’s fantasies that he thinks will come true when America is just like Brazil which he has repeatedly says it needs to become
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>>24695531
well then so is orthodox jewry xD
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>>24695531
how convenient for you genocidal faggots
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>>24695531
Should he have not posted Stephen King either?
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>>24694865
Literally how is he not in federal prison yet?

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eternal reminder
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>>24692549
i dont read freemason/jewish literature.
enlightenment was the 2nd biggest cancer after protestantism in europe.
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>>24695587
Kant wasn't a freemason or jew.
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>>24692549
You're doing God's work, anon. Thank you.
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>>24693801
>What else am I missing?

Literally the system, and you can't understand Kant unless you understand the entire system. Therefore, you don't understand Kant.
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>>24695587
Peak retard

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>if you had something important to say, you wouldn't be hiding it behind big words when small words work fine
pseudo bros, how do I refute this? I've been trying for years.
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>>24691389
Use bigger words next time, retard
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the only real response to someone using big words is to ask “why didn’t you just say…..”

any other response is just conceding that you got filtered
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>>24691596
Pretty much this. If you can't communicate a complex idea in simple words/sentences, you can't really communicate.
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>>24693369
The point isn't that "big words bad" - it's that big words should be used only when necessary, when there is no way of saying a thing with simpler/smaller words.

Think of the word "schadenfreude" - sure, you can say "taking joy in other's suffering", and it works, but "schadenfreude" is a shortcut to that idea; once you explain the idea in simple terms, you can use the big word again.

Small words are preferable most of the time. If a bigger word gets an idea across better, use the bigger word. But at least try to see if you can use smaller words first without it sounding clumsy or stupid.
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>>24690261
this goth e-girl template ran its run
rest in mediocre piss

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>"Read Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, and his sister’s note about how he wrote it, and am absolutely convinced that he was completely mad when he wrote it, and mad not in a metaphorical sense, but in the straightforward and most exact sense: incoherence, jumping from one idea to another, comparisons with no indication of what is being compared, beginnings of ideas with no endings, leaping from one idea to another for contrast or consonance, and all against the background of the pointe of his madness, his idée fixe, that by denying all the higher principles of human life and thought, he is proving his own superhuman genius. What will society be like if such a madman, and an evil madman, is acknowledged as a teacher?”

He's right you know...
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>>24695475
>Yeah, he was a regular demoniac.
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>>24695382
>truths he revealed
his own mobile army of metaphors, you mean? there's only perspectives, and as many truths as there are perspectives.
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>>24695482
Cool meme there. You have narrowed me down to the guy in the meme. Pinned me, nailed me, unmasked me. Trad, reddit, perennially basedfacing. That's me to a t. You win.
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>>24693572
>What N. really wanted to be was an artist, I think especially a musician
What he wanted to be was Wagner, or more specifically, the husband of Cosima Wagner.
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>>24693572
Tolstoy was the chad Nietzsche wished he could be

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Skip one of these and you turn out a complete retard.
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I think I've mastered grammer more then logik and rethoric.
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>>24695038
What goes in the medium item slots? Dicks in two holes and a wound?
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>>24695042
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>>24695175
Thanks for proving my point.
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>>24695042
fpbp


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