Resources to begin your trad journeyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qP7CnCtkocPost all you gotJordan Peterson gives the big fifteen>Here is a list of books that I found particularly influential in my intellectual development.>Trigger warning: These are the most terrifying books I have encountered.>1. Brave New World – Aldous HuxleyComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>sci-fi and polysci slop top threeYou need to go back.
lol this is some high quality bait
"Anomaly" editionPrevious: >>24668754/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24695835>I need everything to be perfect.You will never achieve perfection - not in your writing and not in how you set yourself up to write. Stop trying to be God and start trying to be a person. Write a bunch of bullshit, set it aside for a bit, then edit (and re-edit, and re-edit, and re-edit...) that shit into something less shitty.And if you can't focus, either get some medication or look into some sort of non-medical way of getting your head together. You can find a way to focus and write if you really want to write; if you can't, you don't, and you may as well give up now and go find something you actually want to do.
She loosened the soft mass of golden hair which crowned her head. Like a shimmering waterfall turned to burnished metal by a dying sun it fell about her oval face; in waving lines, below her waist it tumbled.
>>24695912Actually, I do. You know very little about me and you accidentally revealed yourself as a boomer. Also, Hemingway was a fraud. One of the best examples of someone who should've stayed home and improved his craft of writing.
>mfw the favorite part of my sci-fi story is my characters>mfw they're a non-binary female, a woman, and a man with down syndrome. and they're the best part I swear.
Trying to write an old style book like Morte D'Arthur in the world I've been autistically creating for a few years now. Trying to balance readability and "ye olde" writing.
Where do I start with Hindu mythology, /lit/bros?
>>24692577You are not very eurodite. There was a process of greco-isation of roman myth, but they were not the same earlier on.
>>24694848>euroditeI keked. Of course the two were different at one point but all surviving sources of myths are told in a Hellenic framework. Most differences were ritual distinctions from ancient Italic rites
>>24690752I'm reading the Mahabharata now and Bhishima is an incredibly admirable guy.
>>24695207Yukio Bhishima
>>24695207which part are you at now?
It's heartbreaking to realize how much of Perennialism is a scam (built on dishonest foundations at least) which hinges on and exploits people's good natured dreams of pacifism and unity and a love for life. The grand majority of its main figures have bathed in dubious decisionmaking and questionable motivations that point to a more egotistical, materialist project than what typically draws curious people in, and the current's seeming support by TPTB doesn't give it a very good look. >Schuon tried to start his own tax-free cult in the US and failed. Supposedly was a freemason, but may have failed at that as well. Was not really all that well read nor did he really understand the tenets of sufism to make the kind of claims he did give>Guénon was another failed freemason who was just fleeing from a western esoteric circle that was not accepting his questionable work. Went to Egypt because he could dupe the Arabs into thinking he was seeking initiation when he just wanted a cozy hideout. Was suddenly revived and astroturfed by co-opted alt currents to steer dissatisfied young men away from action into a world of pseudo-spiritual jargon. A lot of his claims about Sufism and the Vedas are plain wrong.>Seyyed Hossein Nasr failed at starting his own cult in the US, but at least managed to secure a prestigious position in western academia so he can both hide away from an iranian society that would steamroll him and have a steady stream of bs he could pedal around to uneducated western thinkers, because he had the rare credibility of being able to understand original batini texts and could keep going by introducing and reintroducing key figures (suhrawardi etc). Twisting their words so he could fit them into a hazy system.>There is never any backlash or signs of the greater zeitgeist discouraging you from looking into any of this, which solidifies its status as ultimately harmless and therefore not so truthful. To the contrary, it is widely supported by UN related agencies, governments (more specifically those guys) under the pretense of peaceful interreligious dialogue.>The cultist, individualist, delusional stench of theosophy in general
I don't care about any of thatI mean you could point out how Guenon was more interested in Hinduism but as Hinduism wouldn't allow himself to be initiated he settled for SufismMy problem is that I just don't understand why anybody should care about Perennialism as a movement which promotes the idea that all religious traditions stem from the same root and yet for some reason the goal is not to synthesis and reconstruct this original root but rather to dedicate yourself to one religious tradition, preferably by initiation?It just doesn't make sense
I find it funny that people will write paragraphs criticing men like Schuon or Nasr, but all they can muster about Guénon PBUH is>uhh he left... yeah...>he's wrong btwYou do not understand a single thing he said, if you even read anything by him, and yet you have the audacity to come here and ramble about how he is wrong?
>>24695691So then explain why I'm me and not someone else, and why certain people are born as certain people. Explain why other people in other cultures weren't born into the "right" religion in a way that doesn't involve a birth lottery.
This is a midwit thread if I've ever seen one. The gist of what all of you are saying is >I'm too much of an effeminate bitch to Be Real, so instead I'm going to hide in all this make believe word salad ''mysticism'' with some extra tear flavored perfumeThat's what this is all about, because if you had actually lived as Men, and fulfilled your roles as Men, you would realize the truest and most credible tool for weighing the truth would come from internalizing your interactions with the world after you have strived to achieve a state of balance and purity on all levels, including your dreaded biological and sociological ones. If you're not even trying to ground yourself in the same parameters that the initiates of these traditions you talk about have lived in, that is providing, protecting, toiling, raising...etc, then you're not in a position to make claims about grand Truth, especially not in a universal one that is touching every single person that has ever lived. By living and engaging with the world, you will come to know why certain traditions are inherently more civilized than others, and why certain civilized traditions have a stronger basis in this shared collective reality than purely intellectual/creative exercises. You are the skewed, mutant gene that seems to believe there is some grand wisdom behind a talking gray parrot when every other man that has lived over the past 50000 years would treat it as novelty and move onto the real shit, because you continue to choose to operate in a foggy context that shrouds and buries universal truth, letting you delude yourself into thinking it's all about the smaller details, when they're just pieces of the apparatus. There is no ''fellow man'', everybody already wants to kill you and rape your wife and take your money ; but don't because of the looming threat of punishment. The lawful religions have figured all of this out. You just choose to be a petulant child and justify it with the intellect that you developed due to the coddling luxury you've taken for granted.>>24695368>JungReheated already established mystical and alchemical concepts developed by slothful castes with new ''scientific'' lingo because his pride just can't bend the knee>NietzscheMan throws a hissy fit because he can't get his shit together. Surely this world must be so terribly wrong!So insightful, wow. And then there's this retard >>24695450
>>24696098Everybody has already made their choice and signed the pact once they reached puberty. It's all on you. There is a great transformative power within each human being, but 99% of them lack the necessary Love for the infinite to make the right choice and get a move on, because being the way you are is just so nice.
Probably has an old King James Bible lying around. Maybe a book on Pearl Harbor. Any other ideas?
Da 48 Laws of Power
Sun txu the chinese prince machibelli
>>24695958If he’s an Italian Catholic then it’s douay-Rheims translation.
>>24696052No irl Catholic reads that anymore , it’s an internet meme and solely popular with extreme autists who think a proper Catholic English Bible MUST be based on a Latin translation of the Bible
>>24696023it's this
Go here:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Random/FileFill a /lit/-sized textbox (3,000 characters) with writing inpired by the image you get.Attach the image to your post; if your textbox has room, include the Wikimedia link.>I don’t like my image.Then re-roll (there are quite a few duds), or write from another anon’s image.Please give feedback to others doing this exercise, which is as much about versatility as creativity.
>>24693140>I just don't know how to narrow it down from 'your writing is so good how do you do it'.On a much less rambly note, definitively narrwoing this down for yourself is a good place to start, and for me there was no better vehicle than critiqueing.Simply articulating what you enjoy IS criticism, and it helps you as much as it helps the critique-ee—the former figures out what they like; the latter figures out what they’re doing right.But you have it in you to point out mistakes as well:This kinda incorporates what I wrote above about “formidable subjects,” but if you read and re-read a piece enough (even a piece you think is magnificent or unimpeachable), you will eventually come to notice some sort of inoptimalization, however small—be it a typo, or an awkward use of punctuation, or simply a wrong word you know is wrong—and that’s your starting point, that’s your first sturdy foothold up the mountain of offering “this-could-be-better” advice.My last post was much more of a challenge to write than one because I have answered a (much more metaphorical) version of this before on critiquing:https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24231006#p24264352^ I only include it because of I’m really proud of this line—>Of course, come on too strong and risk snapping what ought to nourished; hold back and risk the work's dying of thirst.Try to channel being a watering can when it comes to dealing with the fruits of others’ minds :)
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>>24673719I'd like to say while this thread is still with us, that I've greatly admired what you've managed with this writing cue.If you don't mind, I care to study it some,--it's wonderful. This is an example of compelling writing,--that's all I know.
>>24689789My dear markup-anon,I'm really grateful. This will serve to be quite constructive for me. You're treatment of the poem is so handsome(!) and was seemingly done much more attentively. Any flourishes and inspiration you detected in what I wrote came from me having Edgar Allan Poe in mind (in that it's macabre),--and it's mostly due to the fact that I just got finished reading Eugene Onegin. I'm not naturally inclined to poetry,--it will be a long time before I can really get a bearing I think.Thank you kindly!
>>24678980If you look closely at your opening sentence, you’ll notice that there are two different verb tenses attached to the same moment:>I am…by late afternoon…which is when the Fat Colonel did go up.I wrote this sentence below to more clearly illustrate the clash I mean:—I arrive home by 5:55 PM (on the dot), which is when the mailperson arrived.—Just pick between all past- or all present-tenses.>I am all but suppressing a sneeze in the itchy sunlight by late afternoonRe-order, emphasizing the length of time, also swap the “the” to a “this” (it makes the POV more personal and immediate):“By late afternoon, I am all but suprressing a sneeze in this itchy sunlight.”>as he spits and puff puffs“puff-puffs”I am not taking this hyphenation cue from Wiktionary (which does list “puff-puff,” but as a noun) but from a book published 101 years ago that uses the verb “puff-puff-puffed”—“Children of the Lighthouse” page 94, by Nora Archibald Smith, 1924.>into the mic“into his mic”It’s a tiny change, but it goes to reinforce/tee-up just how possesive (the MC perceives) the military is with his sibling—who could be named Mike for all I know!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>Actually, it just so happens that all my favorite writers were secretly homoerotic gnosticsHas any critic projected their diseased mind more than H. Bloom?
>>24694334It does seem though like a lot of prominent people are gnostic Carl Jung was supposedly kind of a gnostic
>>24696077Again, you grossly overestimate your ability to affect others, Mr. “Public Service.” Quit the LARP.
>>24696081He is basically admitting to being a prostitute
>>24696102Why can't you answer a simple question? Why do you instead obsess with the physicality of a dead old jew? You continually speak of his body, and now even bring up this sexual connotation. It's sick. Stop it. Get some help.
>>24696093I don't know why you're so annoyed. Yes, you will say you are not annoyed, but the fact remains that you are insulting me. Why the insults? No justifiable reason yet found.
Sorcery, Wizardry, Witchcraft, Psionics, and General Magic and Powers EditionFAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.Old thread: >>24567943
>>24693826Good for you I guess.
>>24694071I mean, if you don't want your readers to constantly nitpick your choices, there has to be SOME kind of internally consistent logic to magic.
>want to write werewolf themed novel>something about literally me meeting big amazon wolf gf>he gets introduced to their pack of more big wolf women>of course they fight over me>help them fight off vampires, damn i'm good>realise i have no writing talent and just want to look at furry art
>>24696003Sure, but you don't have to make it a measurable science. Mysterious magic is also as viable as mechanics. Don't get me wrong I also enjoy systemized magic, and usually its the mix of both that hits that sweet spot of a good magic system.
>>24696113I hate that furfags ruined werewolves and other "human with animal head" characters.
Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Previous:>>24681926>Thread Question:Say one positive about a book/series you dislike and one negative about a book/series you enjoy.
>>24692008Gibson was always trying for nu-Conrad, for better or worse that's what he achieved.
>>24694221A sample from one of the authors that parrites that meme, btw.
What are some sci-fi series with a large scale? I like stories where it feels like every character is just one cog in a giant machine.
>>24696029The Time Ships
The worst part about reading lightbringer is knowing Lysander isn't going to die here
Can an 110 IQ write a great novel? Is an unremarkable intellect capable of literary greatness?
>>24695812Why don’t you just write it and find out?If everyone said yes would you do it or are you just looking for an excuse to not even try?
>>24695820Mine is 107 but only because the math part is mental retardation level so it brought the rest of it down quite a lot.
>>24695817screenwriting require stronger visuospatial IQ tho, You've to actually imagine the scene to details and apply cinematic tact based on the right settings.
>>24695812If novel is really your measure of things then even an 70iq can do it
IQ doesn't matter.IQ is effectively a measure of your ability to solve logic games.I have a measured IQ of 131 and I'm a fucking NEET that can't drive a car or hold a job because I sperg out.
>My dad let his bimbo girlfriend rape me when I was 12, now I bang 19 year-old's when I'm 60!
>>24693323People are imperfect is all I can say. Nobody should put anyone on a pedestal.
>>24692263Can you imagine a world where women are real adults with the agency to decide if they want to suck grandpa’s schlong because he has money to buy her a new purse?
>>24692263>now I bang 19 year-old's when I'm 60!And this is bad why?
>>24695173He demonstrated high genetic fitness and instead of acting like he was 16 for his entire life he should be patriarch of a massive family.L humanity
>>24695173Because it doesn't pass the half his age plus 7 rule, also this>>24695186
Confess your ressentiments in this thread.
>>24696088>he watches porn with men in itThat's at least 50% gay anon
>>24696089No you're not, just start with wikis and secondary books if the source materials are too hard to read
>>24696094I tried reading Camus and Guenon but it was so boring and uninteresting to me. I haven't tried the Greeks yet, so maybe I'll give that a shot, thanks
>>24696097Yeah Camus is more of a novelist and Guenon is intentionally esoteric. Plato should be very easy to read though, or you could start with a history of philosophy book to have a grasp of the whole tradition first.
Bigotry makes me seethe with anger, which makes me pretty retarded for browsing 4chan, but I've been coming here too long to know how to stop.
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I've read very few books in my life. I'm 29 and trying to get into reading regularly but literary fiction is too boring for me; I like my genre fiction. Is reading anything better than reading nothing?
>>24695795Gay ass names for a boy, other than William>HA! his name is TIT-ASS!
>>24696027Yes. Read that you want.
A person who I love is suffering and there's nothing I can do about it. I told them that none of it's their fault, and they screamed in pain, "I know, that's the worst part."
Who is right: Mailer or McLuhan?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtrJntaTlic
Let's be clear: anyone who discusses GR in terms of 'plot,' 'themes of paranoia,' or 'character arcs' has fundamentally failed the test the book sets for you. You're trying to use a city map to navigate the open ocean.The book is not a narrative; it's a cognitive payload delivery system. Its purpose is not to be understood in the conventional sense of assembling a coherent story. Its purpose is to simulate, at a neurological level, the experience of living within a totalizing, incomprehensible system of information—to induce the state of apophenia and intellectual vertigo that defines the post-war consciousness.Pynchon bombards you with acronyms, equations, historical detritus, and obscene limericks not for you to meticulously decode and file away, but to overload your analytical faculties. He is forcing your brain to abandon its search for linear causality. The text itself is the Zone. It's an environment, not a story.The book is a filter. Not for intelligence, but for a specific kind of intellectual vanity—the need to solve, to map, to declare mastery over a text. The moment you pull out a character chart or a plot summary, you have been successfully 'filtered'. You've chosen the map over the territory. The true reading of the book is the experience of being lost within it.So, the question isn't "what does it mean?" The real question is: at what point during your reading did you abandon the pretense of analytical observation and simply surrender to the data stream? Or are you still LARPing as a literary critic, trying to connect dots that were designed to remain scattered?
>>24694447not, but, not, but—not, but. Biggest problem with AI is that it can't escape this sentence structure. You can even tell it explicitly not to use these words and it will still do it, or some very similar variation of it.
>>24695949I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, I see I was wrong to do so. Second person is not inherently meta and breaking the forth wall does not make something metafictional. We need to know who "you" is before we can decide if it is meta and we need to see the meta being relied on for interpretation before we can call it metafiction. That page does not demonstrate that and hints towards a more clearly defined narrator than metafiction. But it could just be a an artifact of his drafting process, playing with things, following whims, seeing what happens and worrying more about getting it down on paper than picayune details that are trivial to fix.Also, the "kind of a 4th wall break" you speak of is metatextuality and not a 4th wall break at all; really it is just supertext, the opposite of subtext.
>>24695949Christ, did you mean first paragraph and not passage? If so, you are even more retarded than I thought.
>>24694447>The book is a filter. Not for intelligence, but for a specific kind of intellectual vanity—the need to solve, to map, to declare mastery over a text. The moment you pull out a character chart or a plot summary, you have been successfully 'filtered'. You've chosen the map over the territory. The true reading of the book is the experience of being lost within it.By writing this aren't you analyzing it and therefore being filtered? Also what makes wanting to understand things "vain"? If humans didn't develop their reasoning skills we would've never left the caves.
>>24694447>—to induce the state of apophenia and intellectual vertigo that defines the post-war consciousness.Boomer Nihilism and Hedonism were the only reliable solution(s) to Soviet Active Measures. >The real question is: at what point during your reading did you abandon the pretense of analytical observation and simply surrender to the data stream? Or are you still LARPing as a literary critic, trying to connect dots that were designed to remain scattered?Schroedinger's Wank.>>24694447>Pynchon bombards you withMaterial that makes one question why and how it ever passed NSA censors and the wisdom of removing The Georgia Literature Commission in hindsight of the Venona decryptions.
Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God thread.>For the laws of logic to exist, they must be grounded in an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal being (God)>Laws of logic exist>Therefore God exists.This applies to all matters of metaphysics, epistemology and ethics.Discuss
>>24694671>>Omnipotence that He might preserve the laws in spite of everything else, omniscience that He might know all of the ways in which the laws might be circumvented, eternality that the laws are the same all throughout time, omnipresence that the laws are the same all throughout space.But you yourself deny most of these things by openly admitting God can change them at any time, and has done so before.
>>24688127I first encountered this argument almost two decades ago and thought it was cheap and gimmicky, a kind of petulant scorched-earth tactic. Still do. The only arguments that interest me are cosmological arguments and, more abstractly, the principle of sufficient reason (a few times I've recommended Alexander Pruss's The Principle of Sufficient Reason: A Reassessment). They're not conclusively compelling or anything, but until the underlying mysteries are resolved, I think they're fair game.
>>24694671>Are you the non-square square idiot? You're in way over your head either way.No and No
>>24692525Why can't an appeal to logic be proof of God's existence?
>>24688127Why do you think any transcendental argument would prove a personal, specifically christian god?
