>>24951575It is light on imitation, it's aiming at paraphrase. It's not a criticism; it's just not the point of the text.
>>24951622The Loeb is for Latin students The imagery of the hair on the neck was invoked in the beginning, it's what catches his eye, and the imagery is echoed here. You might say "splattered", "scattered" or "splayed" across her neck might be preferable but those words connote ugliness in English
>>24951686And in this case, OP's would ironically be a better choice for a non poetic rendering and poetic rendering. Normally Loeb's do win out for getting you the meaning of the text, but this lady took less liberties and still managed to avoid the problems of metaphrase.
>>24951622Crinis almost always means the hair of the head, like tresses, but it is also used to refer to the tail of a comet: it would most likely not be used to refer to hairs on the neck, especially with the connection to a describing a comet which might be subtle imagery here, in which case streaming works well as a translation. It is certainly possible Ovid means the neck hairs but that isn't a definitive reading. Under the circumstances 'aross' is a reasonable translation of sparsum since it preserves the ambiguity of the image rather than imposing the translator's interpretation
>>24951951I'm just saying streams is such a great liberty when the whisps of hair at the neck have been eroticised everywhere forever. It gives the impression Ovid is carrying through the water nymph origin and the river answering her to write streams, and there isn't textual support for that. It's a poetic translation which doesn't hew to the original meaning, while OP's isn't really losing or inventing meaning or metaphor.
Ἁλικαρνασσόθεν edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24877858>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24951175>Dude google “nature method institute” right now. I’m familiar with Arthur Jensen’s work.I wasn't talking to you only, but to anyone reading the thread. Many people here think Orberg's books are one of a kind, when in fact there are almost identical books for other languages which came decades earlier, and the method overall is from the 19th century.>It’s a website with a bunch of easy texts that gets posted here a lotYeah I found it, but you said "side reader" which seemed to imply any of the multiple books in the Lingua Latina series which complement the main books.>you have discovered what I think scholars call “an opinion”There is a difference between a proposition and an argument. An opinion can be backed up with anything at all, or it can be just a statement/proposition with nothing whatsoever backing it up. I asked in order to get anything whatsoever backing it up.>ThanksThat link was bad. This is better, but not great either, there might be a higher quality download somewhere:https://annas-archive.org/md5/85af4a5d243cf0bab2be900c872b29e1
>>24951244>There is a difference between a proposition and an argument. An opinion can be backed up with anything at all, or it can be just a statement/proposition with nothing whatsoever backing it up. I asked in order to get anything whatsoever backing it up.none of this needed explanation retard
Every time I spend time focusing on extensive reading I feel like I make dramatic jumps in ability to just read a paragraph and lose a substantial amount of memorized grammar entirely, but the grammar becomes much easier to relearn. Very much a 2 steps forward, 1 step back feeling.
do you know what "fœtus" means in Latin????? it means "little human" !!!!!:) :) :)
>>24951270Audio for this:https://archive.org/details/jensen-arthur-le-francais-par-la-methode-natureHere:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhdIS7NMcdUdxibD1UyzNFTP
This is horrifying. Is there a better way than Christianity to transcend this?
>>24950566>>24948581You’re an idiot.
>>24948191A subversive, degenerate Frenchman... Daring today, are we?
>>24948191>fell for the memeGood grief
>>24950501>I'm happy to do this with the entire French leftPlease do, I like keeping notes on that kind of stuff
>>24951644I'm sure you are glowie.And just before the bullet from the Dick's Sporting Good's surplus Czech SKS enter my brain, my back pressed against the cold wall for my crimes again The People, I will remind you that no one thinks you look cool in your Doc Martens, that everyone was talking before the struggle session and we all agreed we think you look like a Berklee lesbian.
Mention here literature according to /lit/ suitable to matriculate as a real /x/-ian. Or if /x/ was /lit/ cohorts first.
>>24946516*Repudiates your atheist claims to process divine knowledge*>>For, if they profess to know how to bring down the moon, darken the sun, induce storms and fine weather, and rains and droughts, and make the sea and land unproductive, and so forth, whether they arrogate this power as being derived from mysteries or any other knowledge or consideration, they appear to me to practice impiety, and either to fancy that there are no gods, or, if there are, that they have no ability to ward off any of the greatest evils. How, then, are they not enemies to the gods? For if a man by magical arts and sacrifices will bring down the moon, and darken the sun, and induce storms, or fine weather, I should not believe that there was anything divine, but human, in these things, provided the power of the divine were overpowered by human knowledge and subjected to it. But perhaps it will be said, these things are not so, but, not withstanding, men being in want of the means of life, invent many and various things, and devise many contrivances for all other things, and for this disease, in every phase of the disease, assigning the cause to a god. Nor do they remember the same things once, but frequently.
My diary, desu.
>>24946516There's a youtube channel called Interesting Books Reviewed that will have better recs than this thread
>No metaphysics textThe absolute state
>>24951488I thought you were just taking a dig but yeah interesting find ig, thanks.
>...and then Bilbo whispered to a thrush, a particularly old thrush perched on the mountain, mind you, who conveyed the message of Smaug's missing scale to Bard, who was very good with a bow, you see, and then Bard shot Smaug with the black arrow, which was a very special arrow, forged by the dwarves under the mountain long ago, which instantly killed Smaug!GRRM's autistic edgelord criticisms of Gandalf are nothing compared to this bullshit. If a modern author wrote this slop he would be thrown into a pit and torn apart by apes.
>>24949473>Oh i'm sorry i badmouthed your precious totalitarian egomaniacal genocidal dictator, i will be more careful in the futureNo harm done just don't do it again
>>24948273Tolkien causes disconfort in the untermensch
>>24948327It's right there on the page that it's an ancient arrow forged by the Dwarves of Erebor and Bard's of the royal bloodline of Dale and proficient with a great yew bow. Seems more than sufficiently set apart a random man with a random arrow.
>>24948273Not every criticism is hatred. A lot of what Tolkien produced very poorly written, but as a whole it's still a good product and more to the point it inspired many movies, games, songs, etc. that surpassed the original books.
>>24948327This would be much cooler if Bard was an actual character through the story and not literally introduced on this page and never mentioned again.
I went to a local bookstore in my town a couple months ago (that I have gone to many times before). It actually has a decent selection. I usually browse the classic science fiction section, although I do occasionally detour to the classics section or find some postmodernist authors. I went 1.5 hours before closing and it was way busier than normal. I realized soon that there was higher foot traffic than normal because of the 'no kings' protest that was going on downtown. Normally this place is a ghost town with 1-2 people in it. Yet, I heard the owner say to someone they wanted to shut the store down an hour early to join the protest. I thought he just meant it in a 'yeah, wish I could, but I gotta do my job type of thing". Then, 1 hour before the real closing time, I realized I was the only one in the store left and he was starting to close windows and doors. I hurried out quickly after, and then he locked the door behind me.I didn't really care that the owner kinda pushed me out or that he has bad politics. What I was surprised by was that this seemed like one of his best days of the year to stay open and actually make money, but he closed it down!I don't know how he stays open with his normal 1-2 customers walking in, browsing, and leaving with nothing most hours of the day. Are book stores a money laundering front? Is it just what some loaded boomer does as a day hobby, and he only hopes that he breaks even?
>>24951970>Is it just what some loaded boomer does as a day hobbyIt's this. A local independent bookstore makes no money. A lot of them cheat to stay afloat by offering trade (getting inventory for free).
>>24951970What if he was worried they were going to go ape and riot and trash the store?
>>24951970Independent bookstores that only offer new books are the worst of the worst petit bourgeois would-be-hitlerites ever. I'm not paying some libtard $10 more for a book I could get on amazon. Their entire business model is hoping tourists and rich liberals will "support local businesses" because uhh you just should okThey all need to go out of business ASAP. Crush them.
>>24951970The thing is that despite bootok, there was probably more of a customer base for independent bookstores during the hipster era. Granted, that's still also around the time Borders went out of business. But as far as proximity to hipster enclaves, like Wicker Park in Chicago, or Portland, go, you had a more literate public where older books were valuable commodities and status symbols to rely upon. With zoomers, that now doesn't exist whatsoever. So business has slowed considerably.
What are your thoughts on Shakespeare's youngest living descendant?
>>24951935How trashy do you have to be to go around telling people you're descended from Shakespeare when you're actually descended from his sister?
>>24951935>https://tomorrowalgarve.com/nov-2024-shakespeares-ancestry-here-in-the-algarve/>Wanting to give their daughter the "greatest familial connection" from birth, they became volunteers at Mary Arden's Farm, the home of Scott's ancestral grandmother, Shakespeare's mother. Waiting for their daughter's safe arrival at the farm was, as Scott said, "a humbling experience, grounding me deeply to both my past and my future". Based family keeping the traditional English values alive and not giving in to any postmodern bullshit.
>>24951964I have a similar situation in my novel. Was wondering if people would have a problem with him being a "descendant" of a famous person when he's not literally.
When I was a kid I heard a story about some celebrity couple who refused to allow their child(ren)'s photographs shared with the public. That struck me as very strange. It no longer does
>>24951982prob get away with it in america but not britain.
What's a good book to start with Jung? I'm already familiar with psychoanalysis.I am mainly interested in dream analysis and archetypes, but I have researched and found that Man and His Symbols was not written by him personally, but by his assistants, and is actually a simple introduction.
modern man in search of a soul
>>24951656complete works vol 9
>>24951656Jordan peterson lectures as warmup
Mark Winborn - Jungian Psychoanalysis, A Contemporary IntroductionMan And His Symbols was started by him in collaboration with some of his pupils, then finished by them after he died.
>>24951656>dream analysis>i, as an external, want to not only comprehend a fundamentally self-referential+intrinsically-individual & illogical part of the mind, but also to systematize an understanding/interpretation of the part of the individuals mind that is totally unmodulated and black boxed from the group/society.kekaroo. literally the dumbest most gigahonked big top clown venture in all of psychology. i would be serious $$$ that astrology has more predictive power.
What's the funniest book you've read?
>>24951462A Confederacy of Dunces, but I know someone IRL that is a less successful version of Ignatius, so that may contribute.
>>24951865>He was entrancing, with that epicene beauty that in extreme youth cries aloud for love and withers at the first cold wind>The languor of youth (sorry, Youth) - how unique and quintessential it is!>I was made free of her narrow loinsi may have missed the irony, but i cannot believe a man could write as badly as that for fun.ever read waugh’s first (best) book? some good bits about the welsh. also much closer to >>24951738>What can I say?i can think of one or two things
>>24951882>i cannot believe a man could write as badly as that for fun.Your problem is you mistake good writing for bad and vice versa. Explain the Amis fixation.>ever read waugh’s first (best) book?No but I mean to, I’ve heard that passage before, in a documentary about waugh
>>24951894>I mean toyou’ll dislike it i think.not sure why he thought that the way to avoid writing as he did in the 30s (which was quite well) is to write as BAD WRITERS did in the 30s.
the bit with the shitty british sour candies in Gravity's Rainbow made me chuckle
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I've been looking all over the net for the "My Diary Desu" but could never acquire a copy. I don't think there's any review for it either.
>>24951871I have a signed copy. How much are you willing to pay?
Please add Consider the Lobster (Walley's best work)Vonnegut's doing well this year so far. I'd imagine he is helped quite a bit by the voting format. Not necessarily a common top 5 / top 10 favorite, but most people like him enough to check a box.
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>>24951595OP does it this way because he's a lazy faggot who can't process raw data.
Any recc.s for non-fiction books that aren't just a biography, or a dull reference/history of x book?
>>24948190Athos, or the Mountain of the Monks by Athelstan Riley. An 1886 travelogue in which an uppercrust Englishman takes his Anglican bishop friend on a trip to Mount Athos and its orthodox community. The first 50 pages are competitively scamming his way through Europe (and he is defeated by Bulgarians) and then unending complaints about everything and being an awful person to everyone he meets. He has silver-pressed opium pills to give to annoying natives so they'll leave him alone, goes in great tirades about the 'natural indolence of the greek oriental', torments the weak and continually abuses his position. He even escapes Athos by lying and waving a letter around claiming the Ottoman Sultan gave it to him - he is duelling with Turks looking for bribes in this instance. I can take or leave his descriptions of the monasteries and the churches but just reading about him, his friend and his trip is hilarious. Genuinely funny. I read something similar from an 1830 source, a British lieutenant, who was polite, respectful and utterly unremembered. I think Athelstan is remembered on the peninsula to this day for being a dickhead.
>>24949420>>24949454>>24950235neat, will flick through on internetarchive, see if its worth getting a physical copy
A Night to Remember by Walter Lordhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44107395-a-night-to-remember
Man, you're right, Aristotleanon. Christian apologists are the worst when it comes to anally raping the Aristotelian corpus beyond recognition. They don't fucking understand anything. They don't understand dunamis, they don't understand energeia, they don't understand Metaphysics Zeta, they don't understand syllogisms, and they definitely do not understand the four causes. I just had apologist tell me, definitively, that Palamas was a top scholar of Aristotle (lmfao), and that De Anima isn't about life at all, since according to Palamas, only human beings have life because you somehow need "intelligence" to be "self-subsistent" (fucking LOL). Even when you read Aquinas's commentary on passages like the controversial active intellect, you can see him at pains to make the active intellect cohere with the passive intellect into one united soul. And then he fails to do so. But then magically says "but it has to be the case, and so it is." I ask another apologist, is an intellect which becomes everything, something which changes or otherwise remains as it is? And obviously, they short-circuit. Because obviously, that's the kind of intellect that we have, and it can't be active in any pure sense. So Aquinas is wrong and our intellects are perishable in the sense that it is soul. Oh the horror!!! These fucks have absolutely destroyed Peripatetic commentary throughout history, and they polluted literally everything, especially the translations, with the most hamfisted articulations possible to the point where intelligent conversations with them are not possible. Their brains are wrapped in verbal poison. If you ever get caught up in it, you basically have to spend years unlearning Scholastic hackery as it pertains to the deepest parts of the Aristotelian thought to even have a CHANCE at beginning to understand its depths.
>>24949116You’re being absurdity pedantic. First of all, I couldn’t care less about Palamas and what he actually thought. The only thing I care about is Aristotle. Second, the only reason I even bring this passage up is because it was brought up *to me by someone else* as an example of Aristotelian-style thinking from him. The only thing I’ve claimed is that, to the extent that soul, life, essence, activity, etc., operate the way they operate in that passage, it’s clear to me that it’s not Aristotelian. That is the only point that matters to me. Third, whatever that analogy was trying to communicate, it was abysmally executed because the passage seems to operate in a proto Cartesian-esque because it treats the soul as a separate thing from the body (for obvious reasons). He could have picked a much better example.Just an obnoxious comment all around, his comment and yours.
Bump.I'm reading the Metaphysics.
OP al-Farabi writes in the Art of Happiness about how the philosopher naturally seeks a community. In 10th century Syria you could easily find other irl autists to talk about Aristotle with. People knew he was based and any educated man was studying him. Nowadays - certainly no one irl. So you go online and lo and behold everyone is fucking retarded, hostile and ignorant. Philosophy is about discourse but it’s become extremely isolating, unless maybe you’re in academia. Notice how the larpers itt think of philosophy as an inert matter to be taken up and transformed arbitrarily by religion. This is really a form of atheism.
>>24947161>especially the translationsidk Greek so I've never read the originals, is there anyone here who has actually done that and who can attest to that statement?
>>24951908Nta, the grammar of his sentences in Greek can veer wildly between simple and contorted, but the vocab is pretty common Greek, except for "entelecheia."
ToT UOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
>>24944962Not a boy.Don't give a shit.KYS, pedo.
>>24949238This man wants gavroche
bump
The 1st half is way better than the 2nd half
>>24947666Hugo is a better writer overall but Dumas has much better info dumping and filler.
>match with woman on dating app>we both have literature as shared interests>she says "oh what's your favorite genre??">"I'm more into the classics">"but what's your favorite genre? Do you like sci fi?>"I like transcendentalist literature">"oh ok"Why do they ask
>>24950424If you ask for a date straight away you'll never get anywhere. You have to prove to the woman you aren't weird or a creep first. Only a desperate woman will agree to a date straight away.
I can‘t tell if the continual and ever cringe-inducing desire to give advice on interacting with women is an autistic design to systematize what can only ever be a matter of practice and accrued instinct or a general male flaw in our wanting to always seem more learned in a realm which should only be a matter of personal emotional impart.
>>24950810What are the young people even doing these days? I want so desperately to feel cool and relevant again, but all the other imageboards are even worse.
>>24947357Just find out what slop women are into and say that. Twenty years ago, it was all Harry Potter. Aren't they reading shit about being raped by a bull, or something, now?
>>24948018only GOOD and TRUE statement made in this thread.
>If there is a danger, it lies in the Negro music and dancing that has been imported into Europe. This music has completely won over a whole section of the cultured population of Europe, to the point of real fanaticism. It is inconceivable that the incessant repetition of the Negroes’ physical gestures as they dance around their fetishes or that the constant sound of the syncopated rhythm of jazz bands should have no ideological effects.Was unc spittin fax here?
>>24950883Rhythmaxxing is the intellectual's choice.Most people simply do not have the brain power to hold two basic rhythms in their head, let alone multiple complex layered rhythms with changing signatures and patterns.
>No, kill the beautiful instead. The horrifying ugly monsters must destroy the beautiful
>>24950708I am ashamed to admit I like rap, but I listen to post-punk and classical music more
>>24950877>But Songs with a clear consistent rhythm existed all across the globe and all across human time. No, they didn't, unless you're excluding black Africans from your definition of human. Melody and so music developed outside of sub-Saharan Africa; the African negro didn't have music until the concept of melody was introduced to them. What they had was rhythm, which is an aspect of music and not music itself.
>>24951473There is in effect no such thing as simultaneous rhythms. No matter how different or how complex, they will eventually all collapse into a single cyclic pattern. It's just a question of how long the pattern is.
