If God is eternally complete and self-sufficient, what motivation could there possibly be for creating a universe? Does creation imply a "need" or "desire" within God?
>>24687736The universe is eternally complete and self-sufficient
>>24688260You turn man's inventions into God's... how small of you.You gonna pin entropy on God too? What about death? How about don't eat from the fucken tree next time?
>>24687784he didnt create the universe, the universe as we know it is him
>>24687736Its a meme ya dip
>>24688300How is a gazelle torturously having its intestines torn and eaten while it is still alive and squirming man's invention?
>less than 10% of americans actually read>and this is what the best sellers areDoes anyone actually read books?
>>24688428uh excuse me?
>We continue for a long time to talk about the poet, who sees, feels, and describes absolutely everything, without ever giving a sign of his own feelings. We think of friend Nietzsche, who rebelled against Sh[akespeare]: "He always demands a certain kind of form," says R., "and this is a malformation of sublimity and revelation."
I wish I had realized sooner that poetry is superior to philosophy, would have saved me so much time reading crap
>>24686716That's a brilliant observation. It throws new light on the entire aesthetic opposition between Nietzsche and Wagner, and serves as a riposte to the prior's critique of the latter.
>>24686716Interesting.
>>24686716>"He always demands a certain kind of form," says R., "and this is a malformation of sublimity and revelation."I do not know what that means.
Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God thread.>For the laws of logic to exist, they must be grounded in an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal being (God)>Laws of logic exist>Therefore God exists.This applies to all matters of metaphysics, epistemology and ethics.Discuss
>>24688376I forgot to include the true examples he gives of canine reasoning, but now I have lost my ability to word search the document. Whatevr! It's in Outlines of Scepticism
>>24688127>Laws of logic existThey don't. I've never seen a law of logic. What color does it have? What size is it? Can I touch it? >b-b-but I can write them down and do math with them Sure, and I can write a story about unicorns. Do unicorns exist now?
>>24688377Behold the retard who believes presuppositions don't require any sort of data. Disregarding that at any rate, why ought I believe "a priori" even is a thing that exists and I could refer to?>>24688376I suppose I should have used "naturalist", perhaps even "empiricist" instead of "atheist", although I usually take them to be more or less the same. I will be sure to read that, though I don't necessarily subscribe to most of CS Lewis's views.>One of her main points is that a logical statement is either observably sound or it isn't The argument I'm making hinges on the fact that that we have no reason to believe that our observations are valid (within a naturalist perspective). Take it as a Humian critique of naturalism, which is solved by supernaturalism. Ultimately I'd say that all that can be said of the dog with the purpose of proving its reason applies just the same to humans (i.e. matters of of free will, predetermination, conditioning etc), but in situations such as yours, it seems to me that you claim that humans have the ability to reason- because we reason, and we know that we reason. How can we know that for dogs?>>24688385>They don't. I've never seen a law of logic.So a can be non-a simultaneously?
>>246881271) What does "grounded" mean here, concretely?2) What do you mean concretely about "laws of logic"? Which laws are these? The law of excluded middle? Are the "laws of logic" = how human though operates in general, or all reasoning, or just a particular kind or kinds?3) What would you say about the apparent differences between systems that are conventionally called logic, e.g., that of Aristotle, that of Chrysippus, Buddhist logic, and so on into modern first-order, second-order, and fuzzy logics? Is there only one true logic, annd the rest are conventional?4) If this is an argument on behalf of a specific god (for example, that of Christianity), do you suppose this settles that specific god's existence, or does this only establish, at minimum, a noesis noesos?5) What is the justification for requiring the three qualities you set up, omnipotence, omniscience, and eternality? (I grant that the last seems clear enough, but I'm more curious about omnipotence as a requirement.)
>>24688410>So a can be non-a simultaneously?Tell me you never heard of paraconsistent logic without explicitly telling me you never heard of paraconsistent logic ... Sorry, you do not have the necessary IQ for this discussion.
Explain this meme
>>24688310It’s a tranny meme that’s converted. Dull ooze is the tranny.
>>24688310i remember saving this meme in 2019. i need a to get a grip on my life.
>>24688398What are Deleuize and Guattari talking in those books? >>24688416Fuck
What written work of Christian apologetics can best convince atheists of the error of their ways?
>>24688144It really should already have happened. I feel like the tradcath meme had already become passe in 2017
>>24687860>They are lest they're arbitr-ACK!?
>God presents the truth to us in such a way that he requires us to examine everything before us, and to investigate whether or not it is true. Now, we can deduce from this that he asks nothing of us other than to examine and investigate what is before us and to do this with care, and that he will be satisfied so long as, once we’ve examined it to the best of our ability, we accept as true those objects which seem to be true, and so long as we love them as a gift from heaven. It is impossible for a sincere love of any object which, once we’ve examined it most carefully, we accept as a gift from God, and which we only love because of our conviction that it comes to us from God, to be a bad thing, even were that conviction to be mistaken.Pierre Bayle
I’m just at the point where I view all religious people as monkeys, just dumb and lower than me. I’ll still try to work with them if needed and be friendly but any matter of opinion or expertise and I already know to discount most everything they say. This thread proved it to me even more.
>>24687860This sort of short term reactionary view of things where any decline while there's a shift in the zeitgiest is the same reason that Russia is what it is today. They tried to make a move towards democracy and capitalism, but of course the turbulence of it all made things worse. So they fell down on their knees and willfully accepted the chains of Jeltsin. Stop being so dramatic and feminine. Be free of your bonds instead of secure in your cage. Sure you can put down freedom all you want, but that is why I said that this is just masked hatred of freedom. You believe freedom to be a threat, order is easier to grasp for a simple mind. Do x get y. In chaos you must be adaptive and strong. But all of us aren't cut out for it. Some are sheep, others are sheperds.>>24687994SSRI are just another mind regulator, same as religion. Hedonism will suffice for the simple minded. Overcoming these temptations without a god given ordinance is true strength. Falling victim to temptation or avoiding temptation because you were told to is just slave mentality bullshit. All I really hear from christian apologists is people crying about life being hard and that society isn't frozen in time. Give me a template I can't be bothered to think for myself... Maybe they're all just incompetent people, weak and fragile.
Who was the most gifted sister?
>>24686617idk man, but according to my mum Anne Bronte is the worst
>>24686617Who gives a shit about that. Which one was the best fuck? -- that's the real question.
>>24686617Why did they larp as writers?Weren't there enough men to pound them or shops and restaurants to shuffle about in 19th century yorkshire?
>>24688207I'm guessing the men of that time weren't particularly good lays, so the ardous process of writing seemed like a more rewarding activity to do with their time
>>24686617Quite possibly Marie, but we'll never know since she died aged eleven.Of the three pictured, Emily obviously. First-rate novelist and first-rate poet too. Pretty rare combination. (And I think if she had ever fleshed out the Gondal / Glasstown stuff and written it down properly, she would go down as one of the all-time great children's authors as well. Sadly she mostly just kept that as a private world for Anne and herself.)
why doesn't futurism have any notable novels?
>>24687716Thanks for the rec! Screenshottting. Expect another thread about futurism this time next year where I'll give a review of it!
>>24686099cringe
how has no one recommended RAUN yet?
>>24688157Its such an under-appreciated work of art - phantasmagorical, poly-stylist and prophetic. here are some quotes;"... Dancing broke out in places. With no space to dance in, the entwined bodies were reduced to a sequence of ritual gestures, soon thereafter performed in the solitude of the only truly democratic institutions, the nearby hotels, which were not observing this holiday of universal equality.""... The trampled pavement spat a hail of stones in reply. The enraged soldiers charged. A single salvo paved the street anew. In response: the stony jaws of the street bared the teeth of its barricades. A massacre. Sticky, dun blood on the sidewalks.""... In the face of the leveling strickle of death, the people dissolving in the giant vat of the city clung spasmodically, in a blind centrifugal urge, to every aspect of their individuality, crowding together around the temples of their own rituals, like iron shavings around magnesium poles..."
>>24688235indifferent to the first paragraph but the next two and especially the last one, ooh fuck that's the good shit>>24688229thank you too for the rec, but reading the summaries, it seems like a "We." situation where the play is a denouncing the coming future rather than giddly awaiting it/(then)current developments in tech & society
Now that the dust has settled (lol), is it worth reading? Are the sequels worth reading also?
Comfy Bible threadI'm going to start reading the OT again as I've just finished the NT for the first time. Should I resume from where I left off (I had read everything from Genesis to 1 Kings) or resume with another book from the OT?
>>24686420Why did he do it?
>>24687618>usefull
>>24687742Because they mocked him for being bald
>bible tourist here: unlike the Koran, torah or Vedas, the Christian bible is unimportant to read in the original language, so why do you all settle for the KJB? why not read one the modern rewritten versions since the exact language is unimportant and it's just about the message?
>>24688408Personally I read either the OSB or one in my native language
How does /lit/ cope with the fact that science has decisively debunked free will, God, mortality, the immortality of the soul, beauty, and consciousness?To be fair, Hume had 90% of this ages ago too.
>>24688217
>>24688350OP isn't that though, you deluded ape.
>>24688217"Science" is so desperate to justify it self that a huge contingent of physicists insist there's an invisible undetectable type of matter just to explain their flawed models. Blindly trusting knowledge because it dresses up as science is probably the stupidest thing you can do especially when it directly contradicts obvious reality.
All that shit will be forgotten or willfully ignored in 200 years so w/e.
>1200 pages of Schope >600 pages of HegelHow do you niggers manage to read through all this?
>>24688224Tbf it didn’t take much to make 19th century Russians do that.
>>24688165Reading secondhand material.
>>24688288All gave some, some gave all.
>>24688165while you were consuming slop, I studied the letters
The one continuous issue that I've been having with the little bit of sunni literature that I've been getting through, especially related to the biographies, is this constant reminder that this is THE way to live, and if you're not attempting to follow each of the examples set by the sunnah you are drifting further and further apart from goodness itself, and if God forbid you try to deny or argue against the fact that it is the superior way of life in comparison to the countless ones that have formed the whole of human history you are automatically deemed a Kaffir or a heretic at the very least. There's not much room for the experiential, the phenomenological, or for mere curiosity even, and it's a constant exercise in games of Purity solely based on textual evidence as opposed to exalting in the sublime as you would find in, say, a desert father's writings. Not to say that there aren't examples of the latter across islamic literature, as that's sufism in a nutshell, but the fact that they are largely and uniformly deemed as misguided heretics, and that the actual hadiths themselves explicitly argue against trying to find your own inner path through the skies tell you all about the mindset that is encouraged right here. Basically, I'd like to know how muslim thinkers balance this forced dismissal of ''the other'' with the actual experience of life itself. How does someone as brilliantly daring as Ibn Arabi find it in him to continue to hold that way of life as the unquestioned path to the Truth? It all seems so incredibly reductive to me that I find it revolting at times. Are you really supposed to accept that 98% of all of human existence is nothing more than the devil's plaything? I'd have no issues with it if it were a complete rejection of the world, as you'd find in Gnosticism or in Theravada Buddhism, but it's the 2% that really puts things into question here. I'm not writing this post out of malice or anything of the sort, as God is my witness I'm only doing it out of pure bewilderment, and I'm more than willing to call myself ignorant on these matters. Why didn't I post this in a more muslim-friendly corner of the Internet? Well I'm not really here for proselytizing, and I've come across a good number of very sensible Islamic threads on this board over the years believe it or not. If there are more of you well read muslims who have already been through this spiritual rigamarole, then please guide me with some useful books on this matter. I have no issues with untranslated material.Al Ghazali also sucks btw. The guy that I've enjoyed reading the most is this turkish Said Nursi fella, who was at the crossroad between a rapidly modernizing ataturk-driven society and the rotting corpse of the ottoman empire. Cool stuff.
>>24686139It means all those "muslim" rape gangs in the West should be crucified for their hiraba(banditry)
>>24685275I think that what's more telling is our maintained presence on this retarded website after so many years kek. But I will say this: I cannot claim to truly comprehend traditional salafist literature and fiqh because I have not read any of the 6-book long codexes (think ibn hajar's futh-al-bari) that are typically devised on these matters from cover to cover, which means that there are many nuances in the classical thought of the 4 madhhabs that are lodged in my blind side. The grammatical and syntax focused efforts on exegesis/criticism such as al-jurjani's works were fairly arduous efforts as well, and should make the case for a throughline of a serious intellectual tradition within ''convential'' islam, away from the sufi order of inherited knowledge.I think that ultimately, the crux of the issue lies in the panicking over the clashing of this once insular world with otherness ; or rather, otherness that has been springing up from within, which has never really happened in islamic societies before. It was always either a captor/captive sort of situation, or a gradual acceptance of islam by foreign societies, but never a growing sense of detachment from within. You can understand why a tradition that is wholly concerned with Purity managed to take a radical left turn in order to protect and preserve this proverbial pearl, which is this one, undisputed path to the Truth. That's why every single possible veering out of this path gets swatted away. There was a shock that struck the collective mind of the tradition once the enlightenment's trailblazing machines turned everything upside down, as it laid the ground for the first real, non-hostile, phenomenological contact between the (culturally) christian western tradition and the islamic one, with the advent of muslim generations growing up in a deeply westernized environment. The east is another question altogether. Those two contexts orbit around two axes that are opposites to a degree that's not even funny, and it gets worse when you're always playing the blame game regarding what exactly got us to this point.All I can say is hold onto God's mercy and bathe in the light of his wisdom wherever you can find it.
Reminder to all muslims itt that Jews have won. This wouldn't have been an epic btfo without muslims posturing about being good warriors and all. Oh well, I enjoy the coping :(
>>24687700>which is this one, undisputed path to the TruthIslam is basically just a Christian heresy fwiw. The fullness of the Truth is the Catholic Church--Magesterium is the buzzword to find what the Church really teaches. It seems that Islam has many many beautiful aspects but its flaws are all absent in Catholicism other than its bold claims of human divinity, which I think the Virgin Birth nearly logically demands or elicits, and the admittedly noble tendency and aversion to images and idols that Islam takes to such extreme. At the end of the day, genuine love of God is crucial but to know and understand God's love might include even death on the cross is a slightly different understanding.>All I can say is hold onto God's mercy and bathe in the light of his wisdom wherever you can find it.Amen, brother
>>24688019it's much closer to judaism than christianity, let alone catholicism and its syncretism of neoplatonic thought
>they're called oliphauntsTolkien really halfarsed this
>You are the lord of the rings, FrodoTitle in the first page. Bravo
>>24687427Because Middle Earth is North America
>>24687573>tubers are potatoesWe all know this. All potatoes are tubers, but not all tubers wre potatoes.
>>24687427Don't forget tobacco (pipeweed)
>>24687427Is it relevant that he‘s voting for Hillary?
Post your own work and critique others. Or just talk about poetry more generally and share poems you like.
>>24683228Peroty?
>>24683228A specter invades a nightly retreat,to a land of lost wants and thoughts incomplete.Upon baren soil i stand, bewildered at the sightof a pale apparition shining bright, and bold she stoodTowering againts the ocean dark sky.Her eyes beamed upon my soulInquiring on days of oldof when her hands i held, herlips i felt, and soul i exploredHer voice trickled down to my earsQuestioning decisions made over the yearsThe siren's song closed with a gongasking if i'm happy to be where i belongComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24686396In de zeven zeeen zal ik zoekennaar de diepste waarheiden het zuiverste gelooftot ik elke dag heb leren vissenen niet meer verdrinkin de storm die mij bedroogI typed it into a Nokia phone while on a bike when I was 15. I think it's the only thing I've written that felt worth preserving. I sent it to my mother. She is pisces (vissen). She also is the storm. She liked it. I don't think she got it. Though I don't think I did back then, either.
>>24684315>>24686403I interpreted it as the night being warbled too by drunks, so both clear and not clear, in the way wodka makes people blurry, even if itself it is clear.>>24685703Isn't it sometimes worth pointing out which of the two it is and why? It's the clash of perspectives that makes communication interesting, isn't it?
I wandered alone through the crumbling stone.A shadow that roams.My people are gone, yet my spirit lives on.All that remains is empty, a stain.In the streets, in the towns all the people are brown.An Empire in rubble, no fighting, no struggle.All that's left of Old England; a puddle.
