Tropical Beach EditionFAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.Old Thread: >>24667235
>>24782083Piranhas
>>24782083Crocodiles and dire plovers.
What it feels like to say "I don't know" in response to shit you didn't care to talk about in your setting.>what is the tax code?>what do they eat?>why is there new world crops?>why don't they use nuclear reactors instead of natural gas?>how come the thieves' guild hasn't been stopped yet?>if there is ghosts does that mean there is an afterlife?I don't know (I don't care, imagine your own answer).
Do you have ghosts in your story?
God these threads are shit.All anyone does is posts bumps, vaguely gesture towards their story they'll never write, or ask question in hopes othe problems do the leg work for them.Or worse some pedantic asshole comes and says "that is le derivative"
Plato vs three Marxes. Who would win in a fistfight?I think Plato takes it.
>>24784331>wrestling champion vs three dysgenic early industrial age bumsHow is this even a question?
Plato takes him down the cave and shows him who's boss. Then Marx writes a long whiny book about being bullied and communism is born
Marx regularly practiced fencing and duelled Borussian nationalists as a youth but doubtful he would be any match for the Athenian war veteran
Why is this board full of leftists all of a sudden? I’ve noticed it a lot in like the past month. Their posts are very easy to spot since they are so shameless. Is there some subversion campaign targeting this board now in order to undermine discussion they don’t want happening? Pic related, some interesting books I’ve found.
>>24785766He sounds like a typical Republican voter desu. We are living through a mass psychosis. The shock of seeing a black man elected twice in a row gave half the country a traumatic brain injury from which it has yet to recover. I wonder what will happen when something genuinely terrible comes up, like a major war, a depression, a pandemic that kills more than 0.5% of the infected. Probably a violent collapse of our society.
>>24785766right, exactly: you want dissidents to be pharmaceutically neutralized by the psychiatric industry, because you are such an enemy of "the man" and "technocracy." right?
It’s a default rightist board but when board quality is low a lot of us take a board sabbatical. Then the leftists move in, then we come back, and they leave. The cycle repeats every 3-5 years or so.
>>24764011This is completely horseshit. I’ve been on this board forever. I would not say it was an overtly chud board until around 2016 but it was absolutely without question NOT a leftist board.
>>24785800It's actually quite difficult to forcibly medicate someone in America, a judge has to sign off and the person has to have a strong history of violence or self-destructive behavior. Loads of insane people walk among us without any medication. But wait a second, weren't you all up in arms just two weeks ago about that girl in Charlotte? If that homeless guy had been on Haldol he likely would not have done it. But with you lot it's one thing after another, today it's le evi trannies, tomorrow it'll be microplastics, then chemtrails, a kaleidoscope of emotionally charged non-issues and conspiracy theories. I don't think you should be on meds I just think you should be put in a camp or something like that.
>went to buy classic 1980s fantasy paperbacks >stuff that often have a 50 cent stamp from book stores>"That will be $80 + fee + shipping + tip + tariffs"Hipsters have destroyed the vintage book market and have made it impossible for us actual collectors to buy them at the proper price. They are now charging obscene amounts of money for disposable fantasy trash market novels. Stuff that used to sell for 50 cents in used book stores, they are now demanding between $50-$100 per book because of all the youtube 'book haul' hipsters.
>>24785753The difference is that I am actually buying them to read and many of them, I have read already in the 80s and 90s.The hipsters only buy them to post pictures of themselves holding it, mouth agape, for twitter, youtube, and social media. Then they store it in a pile and never even pull it off the shelf. They have destroyed the market for actual readers and collectors.
>>24785773What do they do in these book haul videos? Just read off the title and comment on the cover?
>>24785781Do you think that a bunch of zoomers even know or care about this? They just want reddit upvotes. They can read the words, describe the plot (most likely with the help of AI) but they do not deserve to take it out the hand of actual collectors who lived through that era, who are the rightful controllers of fantasy culture.
>>24785794Are the zoomers/hipsters in the room with us right now?
>>24785798Go look on YouTube and see the floor of people holding books, mouth agape, books flooding out of their hands. Zoomers are just trying to get as many upvotes as possible. They are taking books out the hand of actual collectors. Here are two of the most recent examples:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLrgEzTgWM8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SD6pnqJSsNotice a few commonalities:>Zoomer generation.>It's just about quantity, not quality>Shallow surface level descriptions of the books (because they were summarized with ChatGPT)>No soul at all
Icebreaker: what are your favourite commentaries/secondary sources for understanding Plato?Robin Waterfield's The First Philosophers is something I find myself going back to every time a really get into a dialogue. Even though Plato is never really the focus of the book at any point, its really good for contextualising his philosophy alongside what had gone before. Not only does it help one distinguish what might be original ideas from mere developments or rearticulations of already existing ones, but its also useful for clarifying some of the more esoteric references. Take Phaedo for instance, the dialogue ends with the hemlock working its way through Socrates: >[the man administering Socrates the poison] felt it himself and said that when the cold reached his heart he would be goneAccording to Philolaus:>there are four sources of a rational creature - brain, heart, navel and genitals […] Head for thought, heart for soul…Therefore, there implication by Plato here is that Socrates' soul left his body at the point the cold reached his heartPrevious Thread: >>24705276 Recent Plato-related threads: >>24746113 (Will studying Plato give me wisdom on the nature of the soul?)>>24745236 (Academic consensus on Plato's metaphysics/epistemology?)>>24732342 (how does the physical world relate to the world of Forms?)>>24728045 (why did Medieval Christians prefer Aristotle over Plato?)
>>24772592QRD on the mysteries? Is this where they were partaking in a psychedelic mystery religion?
guys, I made a Plato reading server!https://discord.gg/PXtbdq5j
>>24784383Either download a few and compare them or just go with Loeb.>understand the allegory of the cave Start reading from the chapter right before the allegory. I think the allegory was at the start of chapter 6 so start with 5.
>>24768639choose wisely >that insipid windbag Proclus>I have here referred to Proclus because in him this procedure becomes specially clear through the frank audacity with which he carries it out. But in Plato also we find some examples of this kind, though not so glaring; and in general the philosophical literature of all ages affords a multitude of instances of the same thing. That of our own time is rich in them. Consider, for example, the writings of the school of Schelling, and observe the constructions that are built up out of abstractions like finite and infinite—being, non-being, other being—activity, hindrance, product—determining, being determined, determinateness—limit, limiting, being limited—unity, plurality, multiplicity—identity, diversity, indifference—thinking, being, essence, &c. Not only does all that has been said above hold good of constructions out of such materials, but because an infinite amount can be thought through such wide abstractions, only very little indeed can be thought in them; they are empty husks. But thus the matter of the whole philosophising becomes astonishingly trifling and paltry, and hence arises that unutterable and excruciating tediousness which is characteristic of all such writings. If indeed I now chose to call to mind the way in which Hegel and his companions have abused such wide and empty abstractions, I should have to fear that both the reader and I myself would be ill; for the most nauseous tediousness hangs over the empty word-juggling of this loathsome philophaster.t. Schopenhauer>in Proclus we have the culminating point of the Neo-Platonic philosophy; this method in philosophy is carried into later times, continuing even through the whole of the Middle Ages. […] Although the Neo-Platonic school ceased to exist outwardly, ideas of the Neo-Platonists, and specially the philosophy of Proclus, were long maintained and preserved in the Church.t. HegelHegel is not the german Aristoteles but the german Proclus.t. Feuerbach (meant as Kompliment, kek)
>>24785000the Eleusinian Mysteries were a cult dedicated to the gods of Persephone and Demeter. People would become initiated into the cult in return for promise of favourable treatment in the underworld. Regarding psychedelic experiences, no one seems to know for sure, although I've heard there are theories that say such. I do know however that similar things have been said of the Oracle of Delphi who it is suspected would inhale hallucinogenic gases before delivering her prophecy. Plato referenced the mysteries quite a few times throughout his works and Socrates shows a certain degree of reverence towards their teachings, even if he doesn't claim to fully understand them.I admit I don't have the most comprehensive knowledge on this subject (hence why I want to read into them more) but other smart anons on this thread might be able to chip in with some deeper insight
Post your own work and critique others.
why did you have tobreak my heart so callouslyafter what we shared
Rapid, the air begun to cool, and quitesharply—in the short period since dinner—as it does on many an autumn nightwhen April fails in muffling the Sun's fury during his daily tear across the sky. The walls of my new house were thin; the gapbetween the front door and the porch cementwas wide, and I felt the sting of the East Windrubbing its Ocean-scented unguent over the irritated scab of Earth I live atop of, as it seeped into,and throughout every bit of the living-room.I might've liked the chill a bit betterif I weren't already down to my undies.
>>24697242fine, here goes nothing. it's a bit long so bear with meComing home is terriblewhether the dogs lick your face or not;whether you have a wifeor just a wife-shaped loneliness waiting for you.Coming home is terribly lonely,so that you thinkof the oppressive barometric pressureback where you have just come fromwith fondness,because everything’s worseonce you’re home.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24705258I hate the first line but this has potential
>>24705855This was pretty good >>24706594Not bad>>24708327This is excellent wtf >>24718114Not bad
I am writing a short story with my protag being a 36 year old married white woman HS Teacher that fucks her former student and likes driving also her only daughter just went off to college.
>>24784633I just made those suggestions because I think it'll help keep the story tight if you have a shorter cast of characters that are playing more roles in the story. Will also give you a lot more time to develop them of course (and because the cucking idea earlier anon suggested was very eroi desu). Anyway best of luck with the writing.
>>24784612This, and also she's a primary school teacher and her daughter just started high school
I just realized Quebec has a weird as fuck school system. They end secondary school at 16 and then from 17-18 they go to a college prep school instead before going to college. Weird. >>24785003I dont have the balls to write /ss/ senpai
>>24784182Isn't this just the plot of the devil in the flesh
>>24785141Never watched that. Read the synopsis and doesn't seem like what I'm writing at all.
I’m wanting to read more into fascism and it’s philosophical and political inspirations as of late both for myself as a fascist and as a means to better describe or show people the intellectual tradition it stems from.I’ve read most of the boilerplate literature (Doctrine of Fascism, Mosley’s 100 Questions for Fascism and other assorted works, some Falangist works, schizoposts from when IronMarch still existed etc.) as well as some of the thinkers that inspired them such as Hobbes with the concept of the state, legitimacy and the sovereign as well as Nietzsche and his concept of Will to Power and to strive for strength and abhor weakness.Is there anything else you guys would recommend I should read next or what thinkers I should look into, be it from the fascist tradition or from thinkers that predated it.
>i like power>therefore i will make a doctrine about me getting to keep that power, and only me!there is your literature bro
>>24772208Thats because American thought in of itself its not too conducive to it. Regardless, a lot of the stuff i ingested years ago has been wiped away with me engaging with Pragmatist thought and phenomenology which are worlds away from Fascism. Thats not to say I have abandoned all precepts of it.
>>24772108this one is good
>>24785370My God how spot on he was! Thank you for this post.
>>24782756>Every ideological relic of "what it means to be Canadian" was at some point cooked up by a cabal of liberal party beaurocrats and dissiminated through joint State-Private media partenerships.I'm not from Canada (been there a few times) and the way the Liberal Party taps into nationalism better than the Tories is an interesting thing to me:https://youtu.be/jKQPw9vmG04>>24778867>The only distinct thing about the early fascists seems to be the idea of prioritizing unity and trying to figure out and use whatever secret sauce fuelled the Romans. All the retarded lists of "signs of fascism" apply more to supposed liberals than anyone else.Zeev Sternhell wrote some books that treated it as a distinct ideology that fused together revolutionary concepts from the left with anti-Enlightenment concepts from the right. The story of its evolution in Italy was from revolutionary-minded types (often attracted to revolutionary syndicalism) who sought to overcome turn-of-the-century cultural decadence and saw class warfare by the proletariat as the means to do that. Sorel's theories about mobilizing myths and passions was influential (because the proletariat is too easily bought off by corrupt liberal parliaments and reform-minded labor parties), and this is also where the anti-Enlightenment stuff comes in because the Enlightenment was rooted in concepts like reason, science, and progress (Marxism identified with this tradition as did liberalism) compared to the intangible values like heroism which the emerging fascists based their ethic in.You see this anti-Enlightenment stuff on the right today if you know where to look. Like, nostalgia for the Middle Ages and a feeling that there's more to life than just working some normie job. It's like romantic chivalry and heroism. Well, these ideas were super-charged by World War I, while the newly-minted fascists (who started as a pro-war "angry patriots" veterans club) dropped the class warfare stuff for nationalism. Like these former syndicalists started talking about "Italian workers" instead of "workers" and then dropped that for just "Italy." And this also linked up with the bigger anti-communist movement on the right since there was a revolution in Russia and labor unrest in many countries after the war.But the military side of things doesn't get stated enough IMO. There was just a huge number of men who had been through trench warfare, and could in theory practice that inside their own countries. Ukraine today is like this but most Americans for example don't serve in the army, it's a relatively small percentage of the population. Israel has a lot of men serve in the army, something like 1/20 Israelis went off to war in the past two years:https://youtu.be/cjL0VI2UmMY
his best work?
Eh. Looks like someone that i can skip.
>>24785520actual living anticommunists condescended to by the idiot children of social media politics
>>24785452He won. I kneel.
1. Melancholy of Resistance2. Satantango3. Seiobo There Below4. War & WarBaron Wankheim was shit, so was The Last Wolf one, haven't read Herrsch yet
>>24785452Seiobo There Below overall, but in terms of a straight novel, Melancholy of Resistance
Why's there so little Mathematical Fiction, when Science Fiction is so big?
>>24784023Because 'science' fiction has literally nothing to do with science. If it did it would be boring as fuck
>>24785195Retardhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction
https://www.quantamagazine.org/which-computational-universe-do-we-live-in-20220418/>Algorithmica>In this world, the most natural computational questions are all easy, which makes cryptography impossible. Here, the set of problems with efficient solutions — a set called P — doesn’t just contain the problems we’ve already figured out how to solve. It also includes all the problems in another set called NP, which consists of the problems for which it’s easy to check a proposed solution if someone hands it to you.>Heuristica>In this world, there are problems in NP that aren’t easy to solve, but every problem in NP is easy “on average,” meaning it can be solved efficiently in most cases. For example, if we’re in Heuristica, then there exists an efficient suitcase-packing algorithm that nearly always succeeds, but that might fail for a few rare combinations of suitcases and items to pack. (These fast and usually successful algorithms are commonly called “heuristics.”)>Pessiland>This is the worst of all possible worlds. In Pessiland, some problems in NP are hard even on average. For these problems, any efficient algorithm will fail not just occasionally but often. Yet these hard problems are not of a kind that is useful for hiding secret information.>Minicrypt>In this world, some problems in NP are hard on average, and this hardness is enough to build the most fundamental building block of cryptography: a “one-way function,” which is a function that can be carried out efficiently but can’t be reversed efficiently. Cryptographers have shown that secure cryptography requires one-way functions. And if we have them, we get an array of cryptographic goodies, such as secret key encryption, digital signatures and pseudorandom number generators.>CryptomaniaComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24784023The actual audience for such a thing is pretty small. Most people simply aren't interested. Math people, who might seem the prime demo, even if they like fiction tend to get annoyed at "fake" math, and with good reason- fake science falls into the "maybe things could have gone this way" camp, but fake math is something you can't describe at all without the "but this isn't true and I can prove why" alarms going off, and if you keep it vague enough to avoid that problem then it's also too vague to be at all exciting. Meanwhile those who aren't math people invariably are way off the mark as to both what mathematical work entails and what is interesting about it; not much incentive to try to enter their world if you're just going to sabotage your intellectual merit in the eyes of people you don't even understand while alienating virtually everyone else.Flatland is a fun read but ultimately has very little to do with mathematics; it's an aesthetic trapping, which is the most you can get away with and it still mostly just irritates actual mathematicians. If something relates to mathematics and is intellectually exciting, it's math itself- if it's anything else, it's trivia or camp.
>>24784023Try Greg Egan. For example Dark Integers.His mathematics invariably develops into mathematics as physics or mathematics as an occupation (or both). Flatland is also mathematics as physics of course. You need to ground it in some way to produce readable fiction.
What the fuck is wrong with James Joyce?
Just because Joyce had a scat fetish doesn't mean Ulysses has no literary merit. Can a man not be allowed to create art and have a fetish society frowns upon?
>>24785680I don't think anyone said a fucking thing about the literary or artistic merit of Ulysses.
>>24778823>it's gross and humiliating but normies live and die for it.Every species lives and dies for it. Your views on life and the world are far more humiliating.
>>24785701Read the thread, retard.
>>24785709We're above other species in most other ways, I mean we literally wear clothes retard. Why do muh dick retards not realise how embarrassing they are?
>be gay hedonist>write definitive story of how being a gay hedonist ruins your life and destroys everything of beauty and value you touch>get your dick cut off and locked in a tower until you die>gay hedonists: "omg hes so based"I feel like the entire situation could have been handled better by all parties involved.
>>24785674As neurotic, talentless, fags in denial tend to do.
>>24785674>In early 1900 in Sicily, Oscar Wilde became involved in a relationship with the 15 year old Giuseppe LoverdeHe didnt ungay himself it seems
>>24784920> write definitive story of how being a gay hedonist ruins your life and destroys everything of beauty and value you touchHuh? Where can I learn more about this?
>>24785723I hate the late Victorian appearance of literary boy buggerers, for whom the steamship and British prestige only represented an opportunity to go noncing about the world. E.M. Forster being another.
>>24784920>>gay hedonists: "omg hes so based"see >>24785216For every handful of superficial party-gays you get one or two who instead are death-obsessed weirdos; when a gay man makes worthwhile art he's invariably one of the second.Even the invert who is happy with himself is well aware of the ultimately tragic nature of homosexuality; his duty is to channel that darkness into something worthwhile.
The state of literature in 2025 is beyond parody. https://archive.ph/0ZeJQ
>>24785246He said the total abolition of marriage as a meaningful entity.It's a little hyperbolic but it's definitely not a far stretch from what the left is pushing for now ostensibly.
>>24785246the "left" promotes marriage only so far as it makes work for divorce lawyers.
>>24784864Homoerotic poetry has been pretty common in a lot of major societies throughout history. Its not gonna go away just because it upsets your delicate sensibilities.
>>24785261And just what do you think the left is pushing for now?
>>24783757It’s not academics. It’s groupthink from a BioLeninist coalition of women, sexual deviants, minorities, Jews, and physically inferior white men. The primary foot soldiers are women. They’re the cause of bias among academics. They’re the cause the bias among publishers. They’re the cause of bias among the media. They’re the ideological foot soldiers of all this shit everywhere. If women were forced back into the home and politically disenfranchised all this leftist bias would drop by 60% overnight.
Next week, the Nobel Academy will bestow this year's prize in Literature. Who do you think will win?
>>24785564O. K. Catmom
>>24785563Nobody said that about Dylan because no one could even imagine him as a candidate.>and then houellebecq. screenshot this postYou are a retard. I will eat my copy of Infinite Jest if Houellebecq ever win. Feel free to screenshot this.
>>24785571he had a perennial presence in betting odds, obviously some people were imagining him winning
>>24785577Murkamommy is always in the betting rosters and he isn't ever winning. The guys who make these odds don't know anything about literature.
>>24765261My bet is that Krasznahorkai will win
Forget the Nobel Prize. When does this video of Houellebecq come out?
>>24785324he looks like Mr Boss lol
>>24785683Ok cartoon watcher
I think he successfully sued them to prevent release.
