>“Youth was the time for happiness, its only season; young people, leading a lazy, carefree life, partially occupied by scarcely absorbing studies, were able to devote themselves unlimitedly to the liberated exultation of their bodies. They could play, dance, love, and multiply their pleasures. They could leave a party, in the early hours of the morning, in the company of sexual partners they had chosen, and contemplate the dreary line of employees going to work. They were the salt of the earth, and everything was given to them, everything was permitted for them, everything was possible. Later on, having started a family, having entered the adult world, they would be introduced to worry, work, responsibility, and the difficulties of existence; they would have to pay taxes, submit themselves to administrative formalities while ceaselessly bearing witness--powerless and shame-filled--to the irreversible degradation of their own bodies, which would be slow at first, then increasingly rapid; above all, they would have to look after children, mortal enemies, in their own homes, they would have to pamper them, feed them, worry about their illnesses, provide the means for their education and their pleasure, and unlike in the world of animals, this would last not just for a season, they would remain slaves of their offspring always, the time of joy was well and truly over for them, they would have to continue to suffer until the end, in pain and with increasing health problems, until they were no longer good for anything and were definitively thrown into the rubbish heap, cumbersome and useless. In return, their children would not be at all grateful, on the contrary their efforts, however strenuous, would never be considered enough, they would, until the bitter end, be considered guilty because of the simple fact of being parents. From this sad life, marked by shame, all joy would be pitilessly banished. When they wanted to draw near to young people's bodies, they would be chased away, rejected, ridiculed, insulted, and, more and more often nowadays, imprisoned. The physical bodies of young people, the only desirable possession the world has ever produced, were reserved for the exclusive use of the young, and the fate of the old was to work and to suffer. This was the true meaning of solidarity between generations; it was a pure and simple holocaust of each generation in favor of the one that replaced it, a cruel, prolonged holocaust that brought with it no consolation, no comfort, nor any material or emotional compensation.”
This guy can’t fathom any existence higher than that of a fly. Newton and Vivaldi are incomprehensible to him because they weren’t flies
>>24849203>I'm a degenerate hedonist forced into an honorable lifeWhy didn't he just start taking hard drugs? His art would have been better and his life more pleasurable and shorter.
>>24850043Everyone has a cope. A natural cope like religion is way healthier and more powerful than porn, drugs, or alcohol. Marx literally calls it an opiate.Mr BBQ has copes too. His mental copes are nihilism and self pity which are far more destructive than religious cope. He’s also probably a huge ass gooner porn addict considering he constantly writes about sex in his book.
>>24853004He's too old to goon
>>24849203Ia that his own hand? It doesnt look like it is
what was his fucking problem
>>24853162Célinesisters... what's our response?
>>24853255I wouldn't take it badly, there are a lot of great novels, not as many great antisemitic pamphlets.
>>24850765>a frenchpraise Vishnu saar
>>24850757I want to read his book but i heard from /lit/ that he's a stylist and if I didnt read his works in original french i didnt read him
>>24853654Apparently his books are incomprehensible to modern French speakers so they've actually aged better in English
Oracular edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24816688>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24854406Incidentally I found that quote after a google search for a line from The Man Who was Thursday lead me on an interesting goose chase. The line:> We wept, we fled in terror; the iron entered into our souls—and you are the peace of God! brought to my attention that "the iron entered into our souls" is a rare translation of a line from Psalm 104/105:> YLT: They have afflicted with fetters his feet, Iron hath entered his soul, which is otherwise translated as for example:> NIV: They bruised his feet with shackles, his neck was put in irons,That comes from > Vulgate: Humiliaverunt in compedibus pedes ejus; ferrum pertransiit animam ejus:> Septuagint: ἐταπείνωσαν ἐν πέδαις τοὺς πόδας αὐτοῦ σίδηρον διῆλθεν ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ> Masoretic text: עִנּוּ בַכֶּבֶל רגליו בַּרְזֶל, בָּאָה נַפְשׁוֹThe Latin and Greek texts seem to have the sense that the subject (Joseph)'s life-breath passed through an iron collar. I can't speak for the Hebrew, and Young apparently is a competent Hebraist so maybe that allows a different reading, and maybe rabbinical tradition holds to that reading. It did make me curious where Chesterton would have gotten that, but I ultimately couldn't confirm it was the YLT.
>>24853121Great series of posts, thanks anon. That's not a mountain I'm ready to tackle now but I'll save it for future reference.
>>24854448Also a third interpretation, I saw a commentator say that the hebrew nefesh can just be a metonym for the person, so we get also translations like> KJV: Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in ironwith no reference to breath or soul or the neck
>>24854448wait I just reread the vulgate and it has animam as acc rather than anima, I'm retarded. he got it from the vulgate then.
>>24854482or more likely the book of common prayer, which has:> Whose feet they hurt in the stocks: theiron entered into his soul;
Thank you Elon for finally killing the Spinoza meme by forever associating it with this pseudery.
Does this mean I can kill a homeless man as an act of compassion because it seems more cruel to ignore him and let him suffer?
>>24854378This. That is until the next grifter redditifies his image.
>>24854433The true subtext was that Patrick Bateman was actually the good guy and was preventing that homeless Blackman from suffering more than he had too (after belittling him ofc so that he could gain some happyness which he knew was greater than the blackmans sadness for being belittled).
>>24854304Horrible Boomerbook AI style post. He probably didn't even write that.
I haven't read Spinoza and don't plan to. Does he really blather about "fragmenting your essence"?
When you read a book, do you visualize the landscape and the people, like a movie scene flowing through your mind?
>>24852103Prophantasia a literal hallucination?
>>24853380>>24853710I can understand something about it rationally but not in its most essential, lived-in sense. Even though I've sometimes heard I have talent for things, when I examine myself and compare to what I believe are average people I conclude just about the opposite. Everything is an additional struggle and timesink for me to show similar capability. I used to expect more "talent" from myself and it has maybe destroyed any prospect for a normal life from repeated disappointment and increasing avoidance of everything. I believe in "talent" from the other side of ability, in short. It's good that this conversation got you painting today.
>>24854241yeah, we cant escape the attraction of the unknown. potential and talent are addicting ideas. people make livings off of speculations. just look at gambling, lol. i get where youre coming from, i just no longer feel entirely that way, that there is necessarily always an explicable reason for higher level stuff.its a balance of acceptance and control. you give and you receive.btw that painting was from may 2024 i havent done art in over a year.thanks for entertaining my involvement in the thread.
>>24851958You really oughta trim your toenails, Dane.
>>24843061After a childhood of reading I can close my eyes and have a totally multi sensory experience, no need for VR headsetAlso hypermnestic drugs can get you in this state (PRL-8-53, cholinergics)
Books with werewolf protagonists? Romance slop not included.
The African fantasy trilogy by the Jamaican guy where the MC gets raped by hyenas Also in the Belgariad prequel the MC turns into a wolf for a good while
Any books that will give me the same feeling as listening to Bill Evans does? Or just has a similar mood/vibe?
>>24852393Morphine by Mikhail Bulgakov. Not the same vibe as Evans' music but it does have the essence of Evans the person
>>24852620I appreciate the reply, anon, even if it's the wrong post. Dave Brubeck is alright.
Les Amours Jaunes, Adolphe, Troubadourian anthologies (any)
>>24852393>>24852620lmao what
>>24853918actually, now that I think about it, l'Adolphe is too tragic and violent but Les Amours Jaunes is just right.
>buddhism says "life is suffering">kills himself and ends sufferingDid he take Buddhism to its logical conclusion?
>According to the Buddhist teaching of cause and effect, since one has not realised the truth of all phenomena, or is not liberated from life and death, suicide is pointless.
>>24854417according to buddhism he probably went to some naraka so his suffering didn't end
>needing to read entire books just to understand a chapter of this bookyep its certified kino
Genuinely one of my favourite chapters (or short stories) I've ever read. Masterful.
I found it rather dull.
the irony is that if you learn the references from some sort of companion text, or even if you pre-emptively study the references, as preparation to read the esoteric text, either way you’ve completely missed the effect, which emerges from the stimulation of a well-stocked memory, not from mechanical prodding with the intellectual equivalent of pornography: cherry-picked lists of references organized by their appearance in some other book.
>>24853196I'm in progress with a detailed comparison of all the stuff. The stories were crafted to connect to each other via certain details, which is amusing when you pay attention.>>24854111I wasn't crazy about it, honestly. A personal favorite was "A Painful Case", which depicts an atheistic bachelor with stable employment who has a younger woman briefly come into his life, but then he pushes her aside and he ends up totally alone. Let's just say that it hit a little to close to home.
>>24854318And yet Joyce in particular seems to stimulate exactly these sorts of lists, which undermines your observation because he is obscure and specific to his period. I have two of them on my shelf at the moment. When I first read Portrait as a teenager, I made the terrible mistake of flipping back to the disconnected end-notes every single time, thus breaking up and ruining the reading. What the hell is a fan for Parnell, and so on. You are of course just suggesting to keep reading and get the point, but this tends to get lost otherwise. I was able to read to my mother at age three and I have a hard time with it (Joyce in general) precisely because the historical context stuff. What hope does some illiterate zoomer have, and why would they care. Joyce really did disappear up his own asshole with the abstraction. This endears him to the /lit/ set who want to do the smart stuff, but he's exceptionally obscure.
>beta readers love it>the edgy dick in my writers group begrudgingly likes it>I followed elements of style to a T>yet still, out of 500 queries, I get one partial requestAm I missing something? Is there, like, an automaton approach to send out queries and i just have to numb my heart and just focus on hitting every even somewhat open minded agent with automaton bullshit?
>>24848797You should just self publish it and move on to your next book.
>500 queriesdid you put an extra zero in here
>>24850203I'll get to it
>>24848797>If you have a book you would like us to consider, please write a proposal. >a proposal >please explain why this book matters right now to the intended readership>please compare it to competitive titles>titles that you haven't read and don't want to read>please talk about your target audience, in this era where no one reads books >tell us your marketing plan, because we sure as shit don't have one >please tell us about your already existing platform, which if you already had, you wouldn't need a traditional publisher hey, I have an idea: how about I just do all the fucking work for you, you stupid kike assholes? Yeah. How about I put on a suit and tie and fly on down to your office in the big city and I sit at your desk and answer all your phone calls and read all your emails and then go home and fuck your fat faggot wife for you? Then I can drop your stupid fucking kids off at soccer practice and visit your mom at the nursing home for you. Then I can go to the book launch party, oh wait, you don't go to those or do those, do you? And then when I'm all finished I'll tag you back in and you can take all the fucking credit. How's that sound?
>>24850104>yeah i don't see how OP can submit to 500 agents. there aren't even 500 agents in the whole industry much less 500 devoted to his niche.Really? I once typed in "writing agents within 150 miles of me" and I got around 100. There's more than 500 across the country. of course, many of them looked like horrid SJW type places going by their internet page. Here's an almost-quote paraphrase from one's page."What I'm looking for is a pre-columbian YA fantasy dealing with x,y and z. In the early americas, before the white europeans arrived and screwed the world up. Expect several rewrites.">I mean, just... smug, snark, bitchy. I once heard it said that all agents are but failed writers. So they all got a chip on their shoulder.
Do conservative intellectuals exist?
>>24853018Which are you? Maybe it's for people who actually enjoy thinking and challenging their preconceptions?The examples are of "communists" being close minded and anti-freedom vs "fascists" being open minded and pro individual freedom. If this seriously conflicts with how you conceptualize the world and you want to refine your worldview to approach the truth you should reconsider your assumptions, how you use framing and labels.
>>24851738cool chartyou have talentmake moar kek>>24851539RIGHT WING BASICShttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCmgoogle drive easy to use interfacedownload the whole blob or pick and choose
>>24851539Hrrumph!!
>>24851738...What exactly does being gay have to do with idealogical stances and worldview?
>>24852133This, who funds think tanks
Is Stephen King a good author?
>>24848659Most of his adaptations are vastly superior to the original books
>>24848659Yeah. He has a very distinct style and voice. Excellent sense for characters, settings, scenes. It's not an accident a lot of his stuff has been made into movies, he has a lot of highly memorable scenes and images, with a distinctly unique "feel" to them. He also has a great talent for causing unease, for conveying the sense that something is off. A lot of people like to look down on him for writing genre fiction, but I suspect those people might be giving more credence to the idea of belonging to a group of literary elites than to enjoying literature itself. Or maybe I'm wrong, but there's no way to know. Not like any of you dumbasses will ever convince me.In any case, yeah, good writer. Definitely taps into some sort of collective unconscious.
>>24850173>If King's books are bloated and tedious in their final version he gets 50% of the blame for that.I'm not scared by thunk factor. 1200+ pages. I mean I was reading Michener and he always seems to break 1100 ages. (Space, anyone?) so King was fine in that regard.WHat I liked about King, was that he was just different. He has a purposeful meandering. Pace goes up and down, not following the standard "ramp" formula. You never know when things will slow down or speed up. he turns on and off what i call his "ultra detail" description. I mean, he's just something different from all the others back then, is what it was. And yeah, I liked some of his more than others. (I read a lot of them)
>>24852885>He also has a great talent for causing unease, for conveying the sense that something is off.Yes. Reading most King is like watching a movie and you hear this little "tink tink... tink tink..." in the soundtrack. The hell is that? Its tension and you don't know where its coming from. He's awesome at that. In a regular length regula rauthor paperbacjk? I about know. "Okay, gonna start ramping up now, last 75 pages will be the big thing, maybe a "coda" come down at the end."Not King. And somehow he can do "blood dripping from the walls" without it being just a splatter-fest cheap thrill.>PS - named my cat (RIP) "Takky". Now you must understand that I dont spell shit like an idiot. EVeryone wondered why I deliberately misspelled "Tacky". I would just smile and say..."Tak a wah! Tak a wan! iI Tak, al wan... Tak is god!"...and, everyone would smile and nod and leave me alone which is what I wanted in the first place.neighbor asked what I was doing working on y house all the time (evil voice) "Making? And Building!"(these references are all from Desperation)
>>24854450>(these references are all from Desperation)that's really good and that's a really great book you sound really fun!
>the elves are leaving middle earth because well they just are OKAY Bravo Tolkien
>>24854392You wouldn't get it, humie.
>>24854392The light recedes as the darkness encroaches or whatever.In the original sagas the elves referred to ancient Greeks, dwarves were Romans and dragons were standing armies.
>>24854392Iluvitar told them they had to go
What am I in for?
>>24851886Astonishingly consistent with my intuition above.
>>24851886>the veracity of which supposed attendees dispute.Well if you say so… sure don’t want to lift the stage-curtain up after all, that would be bad for imperial power politics.
>>24851174An S tier history book. I recommend listening to this audiobook while you readhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu5tKfQq0iybY2hiWze543ew_zqVo8il0&si=uCT_OJH4WrvKZJaN
>>24851903I’m not saying I agree/disagree with the conspiracy. I’m saying if that’s what you want evidence for you can just jump right to that page in an archived version instead of reading a thousand pages of 20th century history you can find elsewhere
>>24852110Oh wow. Looked around that channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESzrqKOZlQ
>What is /wng/ - Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml>Advice for Noobs!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24854248>Jannies keep deleting /wng/What would Fang Yuan do in this case?
>>24854294He would show them love and understanding and work with them to reach a compromise that makes all parties happy.
>>24854294feed the jannies to the bear.
>>24854248Nice thread you got here (jk it's not). It would be a shame if I was just a massive offtopic spamming faggot in it like you pieces of shit sloppers (jk it wouldn't).
