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The most "life-changing" books by number of reviews
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>rich dad, poor dad
based
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>>24854279
>most well selling and known book series of all time
Yeah there's nothing to learn from that
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>>24854334
I mean, if your idea of 'life changing' is that it got your millennial kid to read something instead of playing videogames all day, I guess.

Don't get me wrong, the book has value, but it's the sort of value that flavorologists study in a lab so that they can make new cheeto flavors that would kill medieval peasants. It's not a complex or deep work of literature.
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I saw a kid named Holden in B&N the other day. Didn’t know kids were named that. I said “cool name”. I 80% meant it.
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>>24854279
Better than reading Catcher in the Rye and calling it life changing.

>I read fiction!
what are you, 5?
how are y'all not embarrassed to admit, with a fully adult body, that you still read story books?
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>>24852481
bro saying this and then reads Hegel and then Jesus on a donkey
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>>24852481
i'm a hairy old man and i read romance howboutyou frogcel?
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>>24852481
haha OP I love froggo XD
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>>24852481
>Imagine not seeing the real world is infinitely complexer and filled with far greater stories than any writer could ever come up with.
Escapismcells will never make it.
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>>24852481
oh. Its this thread again. *yay*

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Which Dostoevsky book do lesbians like the most?
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>>24851866
Why do you need Dostoyevsky when Chekhov is subtly too cruel for a women to read. While Dosto rubs the femme face in his gospel rigmarole in a futile attempt to exercise the demons within, the Chekhow just waits silently as they die off from terminal shame.
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>>24851866
stupid horny japanese high schoolers.
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>>24851985
Didn't that board get infected by trannies?
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>>24851866
I always loved this gif
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>>24851866
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

https://youtu.be/DrMEL20o5KE?si=FWzh7pUL0-ICF8vz
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>>24853648
>You still go about life as if there is an objective materialist reality, it’s the only thing that will produce testable claims and progress.
I also don't like idealism but this isn't true. materialism doesn't produce or even say anything about progress or any claims. for that you have to give a value to progress that can't be based in materialism at all
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>>24853648
Because life is just a dream and death isn’t to be feared because of it. Every materialist nihilist is just jumping out of their skin over death anxiety and filling that hole with hedonism and cope, missing out on the good life entirely thanks to their necrotic worldview with is completely false.
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>>24853672
Sure it can, limit entropy to the maximal extent for the longest possible time. Boom, you've quantified basically life's entire purpose.
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>>24853770
you're talking from the point of view of already assuming life has intrinsic value. explain that source of value in materialistic terms
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>>24852976
About 6 minutes into this interview, he just comes out and says materialism would mean his consciousness ends at his death and he doesn't like that idea, therefore materialism is false.

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>“Youth was the time for happiness, its only season; young people, leading a lazy, carefree life, partially occupied by scarcely absorbing studies, were able to devote themselves unlimitedly to the liberated exultation of their bodies. They could play, dance, love, and multiply their pleasures. They could leave a party, in the early hours of the morning, in the company of sexual partners they had chosen, and contemplate the dreary line of employees going to work. They were the salt of the earth, and everything was given to them, everything was permitted for them, everything was possible. Later on, having started a family, having entered the adult world, they would be introduced to worry, work, responsibility, and the difficulties of existence; they would have to pay taxes, submit themselves to administrative formalities while ceaselessly bearing witness--powerless and shame-filled--to the irreversible degradation of their own bodies, which would be slow at first, then increasingly rapid; above all, they would have to look after children, mortal enemies, in their own homes, they would have to pamper them, feed them, worry about their illnesses, provide the means for their education and their pleasure, and unlike in the world of animals, this would last not just for a season, they would remain slaves of their offspring always, the time of joy was well and truly over for them, they would have to continue to suffer until the end, in pain and with increasing health problems, until they were no longer good for anything and were definitively thrown into the rubbish heap, cumbersome and useless. In return, their children would not be at all grateful, on the contrary their efforts, however strenuous, would never be considered enough, they would, until the bitter end, be considered guilty because of the simple fact of being parents. From this sad life, marked by shame, all joy would be pitilessly banished. When they wanted to draw near to young people's bodies, they would be chased away, rejected, ridiculed, insulted, and, more and more often nowadays, imprisoned. The physical bodies of young people, the only desirable possession the world has ever produced, were reserved for the exclusive use of the young, and the fate of the old was to work and to suffer. This was the true meaning of solidarity between generations; it was a pure and simple holocaust of each generation in favor of the one that replaced it, a cruel, prolonged holocaust that brought with it no consolation, no comfort, nor any material or emotional compensation.”
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This guy can’t fathom any existence higher than that of a fly. Newton and Vivaldi are incomprehensible to him because they weren’t flies
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>>24849203
>I'm a degenerate hedonist forced into an honorable life
Why didn't he just start taking hard drugs? His art would have been better and his life more pleasurable and shorter.
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>>24850043
Everyone has a cope. A natural cope like religion is way healthier and more powerful than porn, drugs, or alcohol. Marx literally calls it an opiate.

Mr BBQ has copes too. His mental copes are nihilism and self pity which are far more destructive than religious cope. He’s also probably a huge ass gooner porn addict considering he constantly writes about sex in his book.
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>>24853004
He's too old to goon
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>>24849203
Ia that his own hand? It doesnt look like it is

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what was his fucking problem
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>>24853162
Célinesisters... what's our response?
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>>24853255
I wouldn't take it badly, there are a lot of great novels, not as many great antisemitic pamphlets.
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>>24850765
>a french
praise Vishnu saar
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>>24850757
I want to read his book but i heard from /lit/ that he's a stylist and if I didnt read his works in original french i didnt read him
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>>24853654
Apparently his books are incomprehensible to modern French speakers so they've actually aged better in English

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Oracular edition

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>24816688

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

>Mέγα τὸ ANE·
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

>Work in progress FAQ
https://rentry dot co/n8nrko

All Classical languages are welcome.
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>>24854406
Incidentally I found that quote after a google search for a line from The Man Who was Thursday lead me on an interesting goose chase. The line:
> We wept, we fled in terror; the iron entered into our souls—and you are the peace of God!
brought to my attention that "the iron entered into our souls" is a rare translation of a line from Psalm 104/105:
> YLT: They have afflicted with fetters his feet, Iron hath entered his soul,
which is otherwise translated as for example:
> NIV: They bruised his feet with shackles, his neck was put in irons,
That comes from
> Vulgate: Humiliaverunt in compedibus pedes ejus; ferrum pertransiit animam ejus:
> Septuagint: ἐταπείνωσαν ἐν πέδαις τοὺς πόδας αὐτοῦ σίδηρον διῆλθεν ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ
> Masoretic text: עִנּוּ בַכֶּבֶל רגליו בַּרְזֶל, בָּאָה נַפְשׁוֹ
The Latin and Greek texts seem to have the sense that the subject (Joseph)'s life-breath passed through an iron collar. I can't speak for the Hebrew, and Young apparently is a competent Hebraist so maybe that allows a different reading, and maybe rabbinical tradition holds to that reading. It did make me curious where Chesterton would have gotten that, but I ultimately couldn't confirm it was the YLT.
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>>24853121
Great series of posts, thanks anon. That's not a mountain I'm ready to tackle now but I'll save it for future reference.
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>>24854448
Also a third interpretation, I saw a commentator say that the hebrew nefesh can just be a metonym for the person, so we get also translations like
> KJV: Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in iron
with no reference to breath or soul or the neck
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>>24854448
wait I just reread the vulgate and it has animam as acc rather than anima, I'm retarded. he got it from the vulgate then.
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>>24854482
or more likely the book of common prayer, which has:
> Whose feet they hurt in the stocks: the
iron entered into his soul;

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Thank you Elon for finally killing the Spinoza meme by forever associating it with this pseudery.
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Does this mean I can kill a homeless man as an act of compassion because it seems more cruel to ignore him and let him suffer?
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>>24854378
This. That is until the next grifter redditifies his image.
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>>24854433
The true subtext was that Patrick Bateman was actually the good guy and was preventing that homeless Blackman from suffering more than he had too (after belittling him ofc so that he could gain some happyness which he knew was greater than the blackmans sadness for being belittled).
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>>24854304
Horrible Boomerbook AI style post. He probably didn't even write that.
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I haven't read Spinoza and don't plan to. Does he really blather about "fragmenting your essence"?

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When you read a book, do you visualize the landscape and the people, like a movie scene flowing through your mind?
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>>24852103
Prophantasia a literal hallucination?
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>>24853380
>>24853710
I can understand something about it rationally but not in its most essential, lived-in sense. Even though I've sometimes heard I have talent for things, when I examine myself and compare to what I believe are average people I conclude just about the opposite. Everything is an additional struggle and timesink for me to show similar capability. I used to expect more "talent" from myself and it has maybe destroyed any prospect for a normal life from repeated disappointment and increasing avoidance of everything.

I believe in "talent" from the other side of ability, in short. It's good that this conversation got you painting today.
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>>24854241
yeah, we cant escape the attraction of the unknown. potential and talent are addicting ideas. people make livings off of speculations. just look at gambling, lol. i get where youre coming from, i just no longer feel entirely that way, that there is necessarily always an explicable reason for higher level stuff.
its a balance of acceptance and control. you give and you receive.
btw that painting was from may 2024 i havent done art in over a year.
thanks for entertaining my involvement in the thread.
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>>24851958
You really oughta trim your toenails, Dane.
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>>24843061
After a childhood of reading I can close my eyes and have a totally multi sensory experience, no need for VR headset

Also hypermnestic drugs can get you in this state (PRL-8-53, cholinergics)

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Books with werewolf protagonists? Romance slop not included.
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The African fantasy trilogy by the Jamaican guy where the MC gets raped by hyenas
Also in the Belgariad prequel the MC turns into a wolf for a good while

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Any books that will give me the same feeling as listening to Bill Evans does? Or just has a similar mood/vibe?
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>>24852393
Morphine by Mikhail Bulgakov. Not the same vibe as Evans' music but it does have the essence of Evans the person
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>>24852620
I appreciate the reply, anon, even if it's the wrong post. Dave Brubeck is alright.
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Les Amours Jaunes, Adolphe, Troubadourian anthologies (any)
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>>24852393
>>24852620
lmao what
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>>24853918
actually, now that I think about it, l'Adolphe is too tragic and violent but Les Amours Jaunes is just right.

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>buddhism says "life is suffering"
>kills himself and ends suffering
Did he take Buddhism to its logical conclusion?
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>According to the Buddhist teaching of cause and effect, since one has not realised the truth of all phenomena, or is not liberated from life and death, suicide is pointless.
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>>24854417
according to buddhism he probably went to some naraka so his suffering didn't end

>needing to read entire books just to understand a chapter of this book

yep its certified kino
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Genuinely one of my favourite chapters (or short stories) I've ever read. Masterful.
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I found it rather dull.
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the irony is that if you learn the references from some sort of companion text, or even if you pre-emptively study the references, as preparation to read the esoteric text, either way you’ve completely missed the effect, which emerges from the stimulation of a well-stocked memory, not from mechanical prodding with the intellectual equivalent of pornography: cherry-picked lists of references organized by their appearance in some other book.
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>>24853196

I'm in progress with a detailed comparison of all the stuff. The stories were crafted to connect to each other via certain details, which is amusing when you pay attention.

>>24854111

I wasn't crazy about it, honestly. A personal favorite was "A Painful Case", which depicts an atheistic bachelor with stable employment who has a younger woman briefly come into his life, but then he pushes her aside and he ends up totally alone. Let's just say that it hit a little to close to home.
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>>24854318

And yet Joyce in particular seems to stimulate exactly these sorts of lists, which undermines your observation because he is obscure and specific to his period. I have two of them on my shelf at the moment. When I first read Portrait as a teenager, I made the terrible mistake of flipping back to the disconnected end-notes every single time, thus breaking up and ruining the reading. What the hell is a fan for Parnell, and so on. You are of course just suggesting to keep reading and get the point, but this tends to get lost otherwise. I was able to read to my mother at age three and I have a hard time with it (Joyce in general) precisely because the historical context stuff. What hope does some illiterate zoomer have, and why would they care. Joyce really did disappear up his own asshole with the abstraction. This endears him to the /lit/ set who want to do the smart stuff, but he's exceptionally obscure.

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>beta readers love it
>the edgy dick in my writers group begrudgingly likes it
>I followed elements of style to a T
>yet still, out of 500 queries, I get one partial request

Am I missing something? Is there, like, an automaton approach to send out queries and i just have to numb my heart and just focus on hitting every even somewhat open minded agent with automaton bullshit?
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>>24848797
You should just self publish it and move on to your next book.
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>500 queries
did you put an extra zero in here
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>>24850203
I'll get to it
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>>24848797
>If you have a book you would like us to consider, please write a proposal.
>a proposal
>please explain why this book matters right now to the intended readership
>please compare it to competitive titles
>titles that you haven't read and don't want to read
>please talk about your target audience, in this era where no one reads books
>tell us your marketing plan, because we sure as shit don't have one
>please tell us about your already existing platform, which if you already had, you wouldn't need a traditional publisher
hey, I have an idea: how about I just do all the fucking work for you, you stupid kike assholes? Yeah. How about I put on a suit and tie and fly on down to your office in the big city and I sit at your desk and answer all your phone calls and read all your emails and then go home and fuck your fat faggot wife for you? Then I can drop your stupid fucking kids off at soccer practice and visit your mom at the nursing home for you. Then I can go to the book launch party, oh wait, you don't go to those or do those, do you? And then when I'm all finished I'll tag you back in and you can take all the fucking credit. How's that sound?
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>>24850104
>yeah i don't see how OP can submit to 500 agents. there aren't even 500 agents in the whole industry much less 500 devoted to his niche.
Really? I once typed in "writing agents within 150 miles of me" and I got around 100. There's more than 500 across the country. of course, many of them looked like horrid SJW type places going by their internet page. Here's an almost-quote paraphrase from one's page.
"What I'm looking for is a pre-columbian YA fantasy dealing with x,y and z. In the early americas, before the white europeans arrived and screwed the world up. Expect several rewrites."
>
I mean, just... smug, snark, bitchy. I once heard it said that all agents are but failed writers. So they all got a chip on their shoulder.

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Do conservative intellectuals exist?
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>>24853018
Which are you? Maybe it's for people who actually enjoy thinking and challenging their preconceptions?
The examples are of "communists" being close minded and anti-freedom vs "fascists" being open minded and pro individual freedom. If this seriously conflicts with how you conceptualize the world and you want to refine your worldview to approach the truth you should reconsider your assumptions, how you use framing and labels.
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>>24851738
cool chart
you have talent
make moar kek

>>24851539
RIGHT WING BASICS
http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCm
google drive easy to use interface
download the whole blob or pick and choose
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>>24851539
Hrrumph!!
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>>24851738
...What exactly does being gay have to do with idealogical stances and worldview?
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>>24852133
This, who funds think tanks


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