>>24853162
Célinesisters... what's our response?

>>24853255
I wouldn't take it badly, there are a lot of great novels, not as many great antisemitic pamphlets.

>>24850765
>a french
praise Vishnu saar

>>24850757
I want to read his book but i heard from /lit/ that he's a stylist and if I didnt read his works in original french i didnt read him

>>24853654
Apparently his books are incomprehensible to modern French speakers so they've actually aged better in English

>>24854406
Incidentally I found that quote after a google search for a line from The Man Who was Thursday lead me on an interesting goose chase. The line:
> We wept, we fled in terror; the iron entered into our souls—and you are the peace of God!
brought to my attention that "the iron entered into our souls" is a rare translation of a line from Psalm 104/105:
> YLT: They have afflicted with fetters his feet, Iron hath entered his soul,
which is otherwise translated as for example:
> NIV: They bruised his feet with shackles, his neck was put in irons,
That comes from
> Vulgate: Humiliaverunt in compedibus pedes ejus; ferrum pertransiit animam ejus:
> Septuagint: ἐταπείνωσαν ἐν πέδαις τοὺς πόδας αὐτοῦ σίδηρον διῆλθεν ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ
> Masoretic text: עִנּוּ בַכֶּבֶל רגליו בַּרְזֶל, בָּאָה נַפְשׁוֹ
The Latin and Greek texts seem to have the sense that the subject (Joseph)'s life-breath passed through an iron collar. I can't speak for the Hebrew, and Young apparently is a competent Hebraist so maybe that allows a different reading, and maybe rabbinical tradition holds to that reading. It did make me curious where Chesterton would have gotten that, but I ultimately couldn't confirm it was the YLT.

>>24853121
Great series of posts, thanks anon. That's not a mountain I'm ready to tackle now but I'll save it for future reference.

>>24854448
Also a third interpretation, I saw a commentator say that the hebrew nefesh can just be a metonym for the person, so we get also translations like
> KJV: Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in iron
with no reference to breath or soul or the neck

>>24854448
wait I just reread the vulgate and it has animam as acc rather than anima, I'm retarded. he got it from the vulgate then.

>>24854482
or more likely the book of common prayer, which has:
> Whose feet they hurt in the stocks: the
iron entered into his soul;

Does this mean I can kill a homeless man as an act of compassion because it seems more cruel to ignore him and let him suffer?

>>24854378
This. That is until the next grifter redditifies his image.

>>24854433
The true subtext was that Patrick Bateman was actually the good guy and was preventing that homeless Blackman from suffering more than he had too (after belittling him ofc so that he could gain some happyness which he knew was greater than the blackmans sadness for being belittled).

>>24854304
Horrible Boomerbook AI style post. He probably didn't even write that.

I haven't read Spinoza and don't plan to. Does he really blather about "fragmenting your essence"?

>>24852103
Prophantasia a literal hallucination?

>>24853380
>>24853710
I can understand something about it rationally but not in its most essential, lived-in sense. Even though I've sometimes heard I have talent for things, when I examine myself and compare to what I believe are average people I conclude just about the opposite. Everything is an additional struggle and timesink for me to show similar capability. I used to expect more "talent" from myself and it has maybe destroyed any prospect for a normal life from repeated disappointment and increasing avoidance of everything.

I believe in "talent" from the other side of ability, in short. It's good that this conversation got you painting today.

>>24854241
yeah, we cant escape the attraction of the unknown. potential and talent are addicting ideas. people make livings off of speculations. just look at gambling, lol. i get where youre coming from, i just no longer feel entirely that way, that there is necessarily always an explicable reason for higher level stuff.
its a balance of acceptance and control. you give and you receive.
btw that painting was from may 2024 i havent done art in over a year.
thanks for entertaining my involvement in the thread.

>>24851958
You really oughta trim your toenails, Dane.

>>24843061
After a childhood of reading I can close my eyes and have a totally multi sensory experience, no need for VR headset

Also hypermnestic drugs can get you in this state (PRL-8-53, cholinergics)

The African fantasy trilogy by the Jamaican guy where the MC gets raped by hyenas
Also in the Belgariad prequel the MC turns into a wolf for a good while

>>24852393
Morphine by Mikhail Bulgakov. Not the same vibe as Evans' music but it does have the essence of Evans the person

>>24852620
I appreciate the reply, anon, even if it's the wrong post. Dave Brubeck is alright.

Les Amours Jaunes, Adolphe, Troubadourian anthologies (any)

>>24852393
>>24852620
lmao what

>>24853918
actually, now that I think about it, l'Adolphe is too tragic and violent but Les Amours Jaunes is just right.

>According to the Buddhist teaching of cause and effect, since one has not realised the truth of all phenomena, or is not liberated from life and death, suicide is pointless.

>>24854417
according to buddhism he probably went to some naraka so his suffering didn't end

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Genuinely one of my favourite chapters (or short stories) I've ever read. Masterful.

I found it rather dull.

the irony is that if you learn the references from some sort of companion text, or even if you pre-emptively study the references, as preparation to read the esoteric text, either way you’ve completely missed the effect, which emerges from the stimulation of a well-stocked memory, not from mechanical prodding with the intellectual equivalent of pornography: cherry-picked lists of references organized by their appearance in some other book.

>>24853196

I'm in progress with a detailed comparison of all the stuff. The stories were crafted to connect to each other via certain details, which is amusing when you pay attention.

>>24854111

I wasn't crazy about it, honestly. A personal favorite was "A Painful Case", which depicts an atheistic bachelor with stable employment who has a younger woman briefly come into his life, but then he pushes her aside and he ends up totally alone. Let's just say that it hit a little to close to home.

>>24854318

And yet Joyce in particular seems to stimulate exactly these sorts of lists, which undermines your observation because he is obscure and specific to his period. I have two of them on my shelf at the moment. When I first read Portrait as a teenager, I made the terrible mistake of flipping back to the disconnected end-notes every single time, thus breaking up and ruining the reading. What the hell is a fan for Parnell, and so on. You are of course just suggesting to keep reading and get the point, but this tends to get lost otherwise. I was able to read to my mother at age three and I have a hard time with it (Joyce in general) precisely because the historical context stuff. What hope does some illiterate zoomer have, and why would they care. Joyce really did disappear up his own asshole with the abstraction. This endears him to the /lit/ set who want to do the smart stuff, but he's exceptionally obscure.

>>24848797
You should just self publish it and move on to your next book.

>500 queries
did you put an extra zero in here

>>24850203
I'll get to it

>>24848797
>If you have a book you would like us to consider, please write a proposal.
>a proposal
>please explain why this book matters right now to the intended readership
>please compare it to competitive titles
>titles that you haven't read and don't want to read
>please talk about your target audience, in this era where no one reads books
>tell us your marketing plan, because we sure as shit don't have one
>please tell us about your already existing platform, which if you already had, you wouldn't need a traditional publisher
hey, I have an idea: how about I just do all the fucking work for you, you stupid kike assholes? Yeah. How about I put on a suit and tie and fly on down to your office in the big city and I sit at your desk and answer all your phone calls and read all your emails and then go home and fuck your fat faggot wife for you? Then I can drop your stupid fucking kids off at soccer practice and visit your mom at the nursing home for you. Then I can go to the book launch party, oh wait, you don't go to those or do those, do you? And then when I'm all finished I'll tag you back in and you can take all the fucking credit. How's that sound?

>>24850104
>yeah i don't see how OP can submit to 500 agents. there aren't even 500 agents in the whole industry much less 500 devoted to his niche.
Really? I once typed in "writing agents within 150 miles of me" and I got around 100. There's more than 500 across the country. of course, many of them looked like horrid SJW type places going by their internet page. Here's an almost-quote paraphrase from one's page.
"What I'm looking for is a pre-columbian YA fantasy dealing with x,y and z. In the early americas, before the white europeans arrived and screwed the world up. Expect several rewrites."
>
I mean, just... smug, snark, bitchy. I once heard it said that all agents are but failed writers. So they all got a chip on their shoulder.

>>24853018
Which are you? Maybe it's for people who actually enjoy thinking and challenging their preconceptions?
The examples are of "communists" being close minded and anti-freedom vs "fascists" being open minded and pro individual freedom. If this seriously conflicts with how you conceptualize the world and you want to refine your worldview to approach the truth you should reconsider your assumptions, how you use framing and labels.

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>>24851738
cool chart
you have talent
make moar kek

>>24851539
RIGHT WING BASICS
http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCm
google drive easy to use interface
download the whole blob or pick and choose

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>>24851539
Hrrumph!!

>>24851738
...What exactly does being gay have to do with idealogical stances and worldview?

>>24852133
This, who funds think tanks

>>24848659
Most of his adaptations are vastly superior to the original books

>>24848659
Yeah. He has a very distinct style and voice. Excellent sense for characters, settings, scenes. It's not an accident a lot of his stuff has been made into movies, he has a lot of highly memorable scenes and images, with a distinctly unique "feel" to them. He also has a great talent for causing unease, for conveying the sense that something is off.
A lot of people like to look down on him for writing genre fiction, but I suspect those people might be giving more credence to the idea of belonging to a group of literary elites than to enjoying literature itself. Or maybe I'm wrong, but there's no way to know. Not like any of you dumbasses will ever convince me.
In any case, yeah, good writer. Definitely taps into some sort of collective unconscious.

>>24850173
>If King's books are bloated and tedious in their final version he gets 50% of the blame for that.
I'm not scared by thunk factor. 1200+ pages. I mean I was reading Michener and he always seems to break 1100 ages. (Space, anyone?) so King was fine in that regard.
WHat I liked about King, was that he was just different. He has a purposeful meandering. Pace goes up and down, not following the standard "ramp" formula. You never know when things will slow down or speed up. he turns on and off what i call his "ultra detail" description. I mean, he's just something different from all the others back then, is what it was. And yeah, I liked some of his more than others. (I read a lot of them)

>>24852885
>He also has a great talent for causing unease, for conveying the sense that something is off.
Yes. Reading most King is like watching a movie and you hear this little "tink tink... tink tink..." in the soundtrack. The hell is that? Its tension and you don't know where its coming from. He's awesome at that. In a regular length regula rauthor paperbacjk? I about know. "Okay, gonna start ramping up now, last 75 pages will be the big thing, maybe a "coda" come down at the end."
Not King. And somehow he can do "blood dripping from the walls" without it being just a splatter-fest cheap thrill.
>
PS - named my cat (RIP) "Takky". Now you must understand that I dont spell shit like an idiot. EVeryone wondered why I deliberately misspelled "Tacky". I would just smile and say..."Tak a wah! Tak a wan! iI Tak, al wan... Tak is god!"
...and, everyone would smile and nod and leave me alone which is what I wanted in the first place.neighbor asked what I was doing working on y house all the time (evil voice) "Making? And Building!"
(these references are all from Desperation)

>>24854450
>(these references are all from Desperation)
that's really good and that's a really great book you sound really fun!

>>24854392
You wouldn't get it, humie.

>>24854392
The light recedes as the darkness encroaches or whatever.
In the original sagas the elves referred to ancient Greeks, dwarves were Romans and dragons were standing armies.

>>24854392
Iluvitar told them they had to go

>>24851886
Astonishingly consistent with my intuition above.

>>24851886
>the veracity of which supposed attendees dispute.
Well if you say so… sure don’t want to lift the stage-curtain up after all, that would be bad for imperial power politics.

>>24851174
An S tier history book. I recommend listening to this audiobook while you read
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu5tKfQq0iybY2hiWze543ew_zqVo8il0&si=uCT_OJH4WrvKZJaN

>>24851903
I’m not saying I agree/disagree with the conspiracy. I’m saying if that’s what you want evidence for you can just jump right to that page in an archived version instead of reading a thousand pages of 20th century history you can find elsewhere

>>24852110
Oh wow. Looked around that channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESzrqKOZlQ

>>24854248
>Jannies keep deleting /wng/
What would Fang Yuan do in this case?

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>>24854294
He would show them love and understanding and work with them to reach a compromise that makes all parties happy.

>>24854294
feed the jannies to the bear.

>>24854248
Nice thread you got here (jk it's not). It would be a shame if I was just a massive offtopic spamming faggot in it like you pieces of shit sloppers (jk it wouldn't).

>>24853860
If you actually were serious, you would reveal your identity now. Stop fucking trolling.

>>24853860
Why would anyone reveal anything to someone as blatantly abusive and manipulative as you?

A parrot in his cage
looks to the setting sun.
To express his boiling rage
croaks "live, laugh, love"

Returnal, 3-20-2025

Stairs stiff and lengthy laid in paths of marble and cobblestone
Stretch long and beholding with the run of savannah waters
And I see, in their ripples, this place.
Where trees with trunks like legs stumble out of a dark swamp
An eyeless face within the leaves amid the centerfold of the wood.
Its many red arms, like worms that sway in brown air with each stomp
There are thousands of them, creeping along the woodline, and they are whispering
Soft promises of daylight, dryness, and effervescent return. And creaking sings through my pillow.
Roots caress my windowsill begging for an attention God has withheld. Further it comes to me,
My eyes awake, pupils dilated, sight swimming in blackness, yet I can see in its edges
The writhing that follows. Screaming of the grass. Stoppage of bees and pollen.
Its fingers peel, tear at the back of my head until reaching the skull, caressing, admiring it.
Like a dove perched on a finger. Like an apple.

Tell me where, 3-30-25

O’ how the days come clattering down,
nickels in the beggar’s tin!
each hour spent and still, hunger
Tell me,
Where does longing go when it outgrows the skin?
it drips light like pus, like milk,
like something motherless.
Tell me, will you remember this?
The way solitude softens when shared,
I peel back the sky with bitten nails,
searching for a spine, a faith
I tell myself: there are gentler ways to be alone,
but there are none that hold your shape.

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