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Thoughts? Are any of the Chinese Big 4 readable?
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>>24858442
>can't decide whether it wants to be a confucian or a taoist
you mean kind of like china?
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>>24858816
I read that exact edition. I loved it. I read Anthony C. Yu's Journey to the West and enjoyed it a fair bit.
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>>24858883
Looks pretty kino
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>>24858389
I made it through the major classics of Britain, America, Germany, France, Japan, Korea, much of the Native American lore, and a good chunk of the Roman classical. I went through War and Peace as a teenager.

I still couldn't force myself to finish the Chinese classics. They're just so tedious and boring and pretentious.
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>>24861237
that's sinophobia.

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>Almost twice as many words as the Bible
What the fuck was he writing about?
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>>24859564
>chad becomes a bitter faggot the moment his looks fade
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The fate of Lucie devastated me when I read it.
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>>24858486
I would rather read some abridged version.
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>>24862733
Probably your best bet, though you are better off with a collection of some of his selected sexual escapades rather than one that sums up his life. Just be sure to read about his escape from jail
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>The frontispiece of woman runs from top to bottom like that of a book, and her feet, which are most important to every man who shares my taste, offer the same interest as the edition of the work. If it is true that most amateurs bestow little or no attention upon the feet of a woman, it is likewise a fact that most readers care little or nothing whether a book is of the first edition or the tenth.

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Books like this.
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>>24862479
>look up your pic
>not yet released
Are you he?
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>>24858100
she cute tho
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>>24862479
>carrier
you are brown
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>>24862588
I'm not and you're a liar because you're Christian.
>>24858100
>reddit atheist
>it's just atheist apologetics, a website that disagrees with anti Christian takes on history
You're really wrong about calling it reddit atheism but you're too stupid to see why that is so
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>>24862735
>You're really wrong
Not* really wrong

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Interested in seeing how posters on this board score in comparison to /x/, where the overwhelming majority seem to be schizoid sadists or complete autists living in internal fantasy lands:

>The CIA uses the PAS for the assessment of characters, its self-assessment online form has 64 outcomes and doesn't sugarcoat anything, if you have bad luck, the test will call you out for being schizophrenic, a recluse, or worse.
https://www.pasf.org/pasq/index.htm
>To get your type among the 64, take the 'primitive' test first and then type your results into the 'basic' test and take that.

The primitive personality type determines your core personality that you developed as a child, while the second test determines whether you outgrew that core personality to adapt well to society, or whether you indulged those core behaviours to become psychologically maladaptive or attain some kind of arrested development.

It really does not pull any punches; while an MBTI test will only tell you positive personality traits and leave you to infer the negative, this one is the opposite. Depending on how you score, it will tell you that you're an exceedingly mediocre well-behaved citizen (one of the best endings) or have the profile of a serial killer, autistic shut-in or concentration camp guard.
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>>24859662
>I'm the only IcFcAc.
Book for this feel?
>>24862569
Lot's of IuFuUu tho.
Must be w*men.
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guys i took this shit and it read me like a book

ALSO it gives you basically a roadmap on how to not fuck your own life up and clocked all my shitty behavior, what the FUCK is going on
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>>24862639
I BUILD WALLS
A FORTRESS STEEP AND MIGHTY
THAT NONE MAY PENETRATE
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>>24859567
>IRA
So essentially I can mimic social situations depending on what is required but am more interested in my own inner autistic world.
>The problem of being everything to everyone
>MFW perfectly accurate description
I've been unemployed for about a year and have felt more content in my apartment than I ever have IRL.
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>>24862410
R seems pretty based here
>t. R

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Im about 100 pages in and while it’s well written and enjoyable this feels like a YA book. I read The Remains of the Day and found it fantastic and so came into this kind of blind, purely off of Ishiguro’s name,

I mean, honestly, this would have been better served by being a comic so far with how visual some of it is.

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What is the quintessential Australian novel?
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>>24859712
The Slap
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The “quintessential Australian novel” would be something boring as fuck because every self-conscious dickhead has been trying to write “national literature” for the past century. It’s so dry. The actual best novel to capture the Australian spirit was probably DH Lawrence’s ‘Kangaroo’ and he wasn’t even in the country for more than a year. So instead I will mention other interesting Australian books. One of them is ‘The Everlasting Secret Family’ by Frank Moorhouse. It is a collection of four different short stories. One of them is about a liberal woman who gets raped by an Aboriginal man. The eponymous story is about a secret society of pederasts in the conservative party.
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>>24859848
They love their prisons. Wonder why sagging your pants didn't become popular there for easy entry.
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>>24859712
That outdoor market at Chatswood is 10 minutes away from me.
Also fuck pigeons, they're disgusting.
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>>24859712
N by John A. Scott. published April, 2014

>“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”
>Hunter S. Thompson
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>>24858854
>lying about drinking lots of alcohol and eating wacky food
15 year old boys would go apeshit for this loser.
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>>24859529
Adventurous for his time sure (ignoring the parts where he’s clearly lying). But it just feels lame looking back on it today. Doing cocaine and drinking to excess isn’t impressive anymore, it’s what the average corporate wage slave does on a weekly basis.
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>>24858467
Rousseau
Russell

Interestingly their names are kind of similar
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>>24859704
"being a wageslave is based, infiltrating a motorcycle gang to do journalism, creating a new type of journo while at it, is onions"
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>>24862206
Can you redpill me on Nietzsche? From the excerpts we read in school and my limited secondhand knowedge, I think of him as a whiny cuckboy constantly seething about Christians and Wagner. What am I missing out on?

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Just found out about Thomas Pynchon's newest novel, Shadow Ticket, inside a Croatian left-wing newspaper of all places
I'm not super into the writer, but I read his other novel, Inherent Vice, back in university as a reader, and it was... incredibly psychedelic
I'm expecting this novel to be no different, how should I prepare, if at all?
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I find the book to be very underwhelming.
It's missing so much of what made his prior works great.
>>24857806
I tend to agree. I think maybe it shouldn't have been published.
>>24857440
It's like Inherent Vice without any of the fun of Inherent Vice.
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I have embarrassed living artists with my ignorant posts. Let us all forgive each other here. We will never be as perfect as we could have been.
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>>24862534
Like everyone else here all you do is embarrass yourself, but no one but you will ever know it was you so it's all completely without social value anyway.
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>>24857389
>Just found out
Fuck off you lying faggot. Either you live under a rock and dont post here often or youre a marketer looking to stoke a discussion.

Stop LARPing and just post the cover with “discuss” next time you insufferable faggot.
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>>24862722
Pretty ironic for you to be calling someone else an insufferable faggot.

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Please tell me something about this fellow: anything worth reading by him ?
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>>24857919
To Kill a Mockingbird.
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his short fiction only
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>>24857926
Breakfast at Tiffany's mogs in cold blood
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>>24857919
I like the guy and while nothing of him I have read has blown me away it was consistently solid but man, I had such high expectations for answered prayers that I ended up just being bummed by it
Why can't none of these fags understand what made proust great?
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>>24857919
Brwakfast at Tiffany’s is legit great. Like 100 pages too.

Books to help me cope with absolutely vile and vicious anti american sentiment? Im seeing it everywhere, their gross protestant and barbaric derived culture with no real sense of ethics and entirely practiced by people so empty minded, dim witted and mindslaved they put the chinese to shame! I know some american wil probably reply "hurr durr cope and seethe" but my general hatred towards the anglosphere is absolute and I feel that if I don't find a way to fix it I will just end up going fucking mad and killing myself. Show me some good american books that aren't ass and are pretty self aware about american nature like some of Melville's works...
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>>24862562
>>24862572
You are exactly the retard they were talking about. Not even the tiniest hint of self-awareness or any kind of thought, just regurgitating stale tropes everyone heard a billion times, like an AI only dumber.
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>>24862595
You invaded and occupied my country for 50 years just to make sure we were exposed to US radio and TV. The explicit, official plan of the US was to flood us and the rest of the world with propaganda to undermine local traditions and the associated issues in favour of a global, secular culture that "doesn't see" religion, race or any person as anything but a unit of potential economic output and consumption.
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>>24862634
Big Sleep
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>>24862622
Yeah that’s nice and all kid but what part of EUROPE gave AMERICA the ideological syphilis did you not fucking understand?
The French view of race and colonialism was always cucked going all the way back into the 1800s. While Anglo-Saxons were taking over half the Earth for the White man with explicit racial supremacist ideology the French were going on about how blood didn’t matter as long as the nons spoke French and had French culture then they could BE French. Or did you think that old propaganda poster made by the nazis came from nowhere? It sure as fuck wasn’t America that did that.
And before you say ‘yeah well that’s just like the French maaan’ what about that the time the wunderbar Germans sent that Jewish nonsense they so lovingly nurtured for centuries over to Russia to deliberately weaken them? Remember that? Wasn’t that funny? It’s particularly fucking relevant to this conversation by the way because it was in turn the Russians who infected America with ideological perversion during the Cold War and spread anti-white -anti-colonialist rhetoric all over the world besides. But I guess thats all our fault too huh?
What ridiculous nonsense. You don’t understand shit. And we haven’t even gotten to the part where life without modern civiiization is barely worth living due to child mortality, disease, toil and boredom and yet post industrial society is also hideously dysgenic as mutational load increases and IQ decreases within the White race. Face it the world is fucked and it’s always going to be a nightmare.
Oh and by the way the correct formula for saving our gene clusters is ‘Ethnoreligions which promote adaptive values’. Particularly the Pagan variety. Atheism leads to low birth rates and ultimately death and Christianity is a universalist mongrel religion. You can’t tell your kids to worship an ethnic Jew and how all Christians are brothers in spirit and expect them to stay White. It’s all so fucking obvious. But apparently I’m one of the last White men on Earth with a brain despite being a Scotch Irish retard but what do I know.
Not goong to tell you retards try to foist the all the blame for the modern world on us though I’ll tell you that much.
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>>24862669
You don’t understand shit. You're not even part of the conversation. This entire rant is like a eurofag parodying stereotypical retarded burgers.

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Is it worth reading nowdays? I'm talking about Harvard Classics, Great Books Reading List and Curriculum, etc. Princeton Classics Department not even require Greek and Latin for students anymore.
Why most college and university reading lists nowdays are 10 books tops? Cambridge recommends I Am Malala, Life Of Pi, Dune, but not Seneca, Plato or Aurelius.
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>>24862551
That's very interesting. Can you provide some example prompts?
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>>24862578
I started learning history like this, right now I'm on the Early Middle Ages. Picrel are the recommendations, this is the prompt:

>First, we focus on the early middle ages, history and philosophy. I want you to make a program that entails reading around 210-250 pages per week combined for a total of 10 weeks. Keep Wickam as central for the history. No trade/pop history books. Again, we don't need to read something cover to cover, instead focus on the correct academic way, so only sections we need. I want you to find the books that fit these criteria if possible by checking Oxford/Cambridge/Harvard/Yale/Stanford/other big universities for their reading recommendations. Again, pick editions that are as long lasting/well made as possible like folio society or loeb. This time, I want you to write a short argument for why you've chosen a specific book, but I don't mean a non-specific argument like "it's the best fit for this slot", I mean actual arguments like "it appears in this and this university's reading list" or "the academic consensus is that is this is the best book regarding this period/event" or "it was published long ago but has retained its qualities" or "it was massively influential on our current understanding of X topic". Don't make up arguments or sources/books, make sure they are all real and well researched.

Bear in mind you have to have whole conversations and not just use single prompts during which conversations you will guide it to the outcome you need. In the next post I'll show you where we refine what exactly the reading program looks like over the course of a week.
When I get to a specific title I haven't heard of I also do sanity checks through quick /lit/ archive, google and r*ddit searches about specific book titles and authors to make sure what the AI is saying about the books is true.
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>>24862340
>the enemy
Kek
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>>24862387
Yes. It will. The classics, reading Plato, Aristotle will sharpen your mind. It beats what we all were force fed for 12 years in state sponsored 'education' centers. I honestly did not know how much I would love to learn
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>>24862708
I had to instruct it to look for hardcovers from reputable publishers and in general books with a high quality comparable to loeb or folio wherever possible because I want longevity for the books I do buy (though I download a bunch because these are expensive and hard to get sometimes).
Picrel is the inside of a single week of reading. The benefit of having an account and having had other conversations with the AI is that it has some semblance of how I operate best, which is why it recommends what it does in this case. I also talked to it about how to take notes in the case of history and philosophy because I like the Cornell method and it helped me refine that for the specifics of this program.
You still have to use good judgement and pick some thing beforehand, I chose Chris Wickham's book as a core for my Early Middle Ages from what I know of it and made it run with that as the spine of the program.
Also, if anyone wants to try this, find video lectures on the subject and go through them rapidly without taking notes and even without paying too much attentions (I did 5 yale lectures in the car in a day when I had to drive a lot) because it gives you an overview and you can orient yourself and know where to 'fit' the knowledge that comes from reading the books later.

You guy's think Raskolnikov's Great Man Theory was correct? I'm guessing people like Napoleon maybe felt bad for killing people to achieve great things, but they were able to simply handle it because they were great
Are you a great man?
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>>24860848
That’s an interesting interpretation and I think you’re right.
Back when I read crime and punishment I never understood why he turned himself in when he’d be totally able to get away with it. I didn’t consider the aspect of isolation, of never being able to share his true self with anybody
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>>24861152
>That individuals can't drop their sense of morality and suddenly become Overmen, rather that an Overman is something moulded from birth. That if you have to ask...
You're too hung up on morality here. People always forget that Nietzsche only fixated on morality because it was the pre-eminent bugbear of his time.
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>>24859792
yes, the theory is correct.
>>24859844
you got it right, it's just that midwits are very loud about their opinions.
Dostoevsky just doesn't like what the theory brings about, so he gives heuristical counter-arguments, but he himself believes the theory to be correct. He's just troubled and doesn't want it to be true.
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>>24859792
The entire novel states this line of thinking is nothing more than a seductive cope. Raskolnikov achieved nothing great by killing. He killed a greedy pawnbroker and her sister who was a decent person. That’s nothing to brag about.
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>>24862689
He achieved nothing great because the killing itself wasn't supposed to be the great thing, it was the means to it. The point is that Raskolnikov couldn't handle such a means, but a "Great Man" could've.

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>Thinks he's a pro at philosophy
>Can't even get past Kant in Socrates Jones
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>Tellers of stories with ink on paper, not that they matter any more, have been either swoopers or bashers. Swoopers write a story quickly, higgledy-piggledy, crinkum-crankum, any which way. Then they go over it again painstakingly, fixing everything that is just plain awful or doesn’t work. Bashers go one sentence at a time, getting it exactly right before they go on to the next one. When they’re done they’re done. I am a basher. Most men are bashers, and most women are swoopers.
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I'm kind of weird because I do tend to write quickly but even my initial work rarely needs much editing after the fact. I'm basically Mozart from Amadeus when Salieri finds out that he doesn't make drafts.
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This old pervert disgusts me
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard anecdotes that Vonnegut would make corrections to his writing as he was being given critiques in real time, so wouldn't that make him a bit if a swooper too?
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>>24861892
Bash, receive critique, bash some more.
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>>24861890
Why don't you take a flying FUCK at a rolling doughnut? Why don't you take a flying fuck at the mooooooooooooon?

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>What type of university did you attend?
>What era?
>What did you learn? How do you feel about your education now?

I did an English Lit degree at the premier university in my country (hah!). The Australian National University. I was told it was the best, hardest to get into, highest ranked, etc. Turns out that just meant the place had more postgrads than undergrounds, was predominantly research oriented and got a shittonne of citations. Doubt it made it better than half the other universities in Aus. Was a helluva place though, beautiful, bright and stimulating.

My era - thank fuck! - was pre-woke. We still had blue hairs screeching but there were approximately zero mentions of critical race theory, gender theory, grievance studies or the like. 20-ish years ago.

My fading memory of the curriculum, in order of importance/volume:
- poets, poems and poetry
- shakespeare, milton, chaucer, donne, wordsworth, blake, probably a few others i'm forgetting
- literary movements (medieval through to modernism with the most time spent on romanticism - weirdly, don't think we did any postmodernism let alone postcolonial)

Another fun fact, we studied a shitload of australian authors, like books of poetry by former anu students, but not a single American work. Oh wait, no, Emily Dickinson was big and T.S. Eliot if you still count him as American. But I only learned about what Americans consider 'the classics' years after - Melville, Hemingway et al. Funny to think how invisible all that was to us back then.


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>>24859520
i hope it is lithuania
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>>24859520
Man. This is exactly what I was picturing. The few posts I've come across about the modern ANU make me think - with horror - that if I was born 15 years later, I might have completely missed out. The old classics/lit degree might be useless in the job market but at least it was a real education, without agenda.

Happy for you getting out, I too live in a small town now and much prefer it.
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>>24852013
bump
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>>24852013
>What type of university did you attend?
Community college in the PNW
>What era?
2020-2023
>What did you learn? How do you feel about your education now?
I got an associate degree in accounting and took a variety of electives afterward. My electives were mainly biology and chemistry. Unfortunately, much of my classes (apart from business/accounting core) were very politically inclined. That experience left me somewhat jaded about education, but I'm glad that I didn't acquire any debt while obtaining my degree. I was able to skip a few "woke" classes by testing out of them via CLEP exams. Saved me quite a bit of time and money.
Colonial American history was a pleasant surprise. It placed a lot of emphasis on women and racial minorities from that time period, but it was accurate and didn't necessarily pander to the political crowd.
Chemistry was another favorite of mine. My professors were incredibly passionate about it. I'm pretty sure teaching is the only thing that has kept my last chem prof from killing himself.
I also liked macroeconomics and excel quite a bit. Two excel classes were required for my degree and I didn't set my expectations too highly, but I learned a lot of useful skills and had a great professor. Macroeconomics was a lot of fun. The graphing assignments were great opportunities for making shitposts.
English was disappointing. I didn't read a single book in any of my courses - just short passages from BuzzFeed and random authors. I don't think the fact that I went to community college had anything to do with how poor humanities education was there. After all, the courses were considered equivalent to those taught at universities here.
I did have one English professor that I liked a lot though. She wasn't a fan of how politically inclined colleges were and made it clear that we were here to learn. My community college had a mandatory staff assembly about CRT in which participants were segregated by race and she was the only person who openly spoke out against it.
I learned the hard way that my accounting classes didn't transfer to any local business schools here and that my associate degree offered zero career advantages. I've been reevaluating my priorities and I don't want to have a useless degree for the rest of my life, so I'm thinking about transferring to an online university and getting a BSBA in finance. For the time being, I'll probably study independently and acquire credit via online courses (eg through Sophia and study.com). I've found independent study to be the most rewarding.
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>>24852013
>>What type of university did you attend?
a semi-prestigious "Liberal Arts" college in New York
>>What era?
2012-2016, the perfect time to to get the fuck outta there
>>What did you learn? How do you feel about your education now?
I graduated with a mathematics degree and then no one ever hired me for anything nor told me why I wasn't getting hired. I took my studies seriously and skimped on socializing (not that I liked most of my peers), and it bit me in the ass. The whole thing left me very bitter. 10-year anniversary is coming up and there's not a single soul there I'd like to see.
I read all day long and wish I'd just done that from the start. To hell with all schools.


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