Icebreaker: what are your favourite commentaries/secondary sources for understanding Plato?Robin Waterfield's The First Philosophers is something I find myself going back to every time a really get into a dialogue. Even though Plato is never really the focus of the book at any point, its really good for contextualising his philosophy alongside what had gone before. Not only does it help one distinguish what might be original ideas from mere developments or rearticulations of already existing ones, but its also useful for clarifying some of the more esoteric references. Take Phaedo for instance, the dialogue ends with the hemlock working its way through Socrates: >[the man administering Socrates the poison] felt it himself and said that when the cold reached his heart he would be goneAccording to Philolaus:>there are four sources of a rational creature - brain, heart, navel and genitals […] Head for thought, heart for soul…Therefore, there implication by Plato here is that Socrates' soul left his body at the point the cold reached his heartPrevious Thread: >>24705276 Recent Plato-related threads: >>24746113 (Will studying Plato give me wisdom on the nature of the soul?)>>24745236 (Academic consensus on Plato's metaphysics/epistemology?)>>24732342 (how does the physical world relate to the world of Forms?)>>24728045 (why did Medieval Christians prefer Aristotle over Plato?)
Any good modern translations of Plato's work? I've been trying to read The Allegory of the Cave but I can't even get past the first 10 pages. The writing is too archaic and convulted. I have to read every sentence multiple times to figure out what it means.
>>24784383which translation are you reading? Also, have you read any other parts of The Republic?
>>24772592QRD on the mysteries? Is this where they were partaking in a psychedelic mystery religion?
guys, I made a Plato reading server!https://discord.gg/PXtbdq5j
>>24784383Either download a few and compare them or just go with Loeb.>understand the allegory of the cave Start reading from the chapter right before the allegory. I think the allegory was at the start of chapter 6 so start with 5.
Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Previous:>>24753638 (Cross-thread)>Thread Question:You are thrown into the world of the last book you read. Where are you, what are you doing and what are your plans?
>>24784484How is it an insult? Cameron writes all of his movies, and he's written some other people's movies too
>>24781556what's wrong with wish fulfillment?
>>24779834>Fans favorite character>Carry 5 books on his own>Die as turbo VirginWhat sandersoy mean by this?
>>24785245He's Jesus.Imagine, ten years later Shallan is a single mom, completely broken after the news of Adolin cheating with Maya. She's working in a brothel, weaving physical illusions for clients.Kaladin returns and saves her from the pits of depravity. Very Jesus-like.
>>24785245>dieslmaoAlso careful with spoilers anon. There are a few stormlight readers in here
Which epic poems have you read, anons? And what do you think of the epic? Can epic poetry be written in the modern period? Think ‘A’, Cantos, Paterson, and Omeros.
>>24783956what meter/rhyme?
>>24785187Why? What are some good Arabic epics?
>>24785302Nibelungenstrophe with strong dadaistic admixtures, to ideally span the three great European ages
>>24785343nibelungenstrophe in latin? you're mad!
My tier list of those I've read:1. Iliad2. Paradise Lost3. Argonautica4. Odyssey5. Beowulf6. Death of Arthur7. Faerie Queene8. Aeneid
Satanic panic edition. Old >>24736100
What else would I like if I liked Aickman's brand of subtle horror more than the "woahh it has like a million eyes and a billion teeth and omfg I'm going cuhrayzeee!" brand of horror that is popular nowadays?
>>24784679For older, M.R. James, for newer, Reggie Oliver. You could also check out Walter de la Mare for another older author, but I found his prose dry and difficult to get through.
>>24784679Dark Gods by T.E.D. KleinDark Companions by Ramsey CampbellSongs of a Dead Dreamer by Thomas Ligotti
>>24776932It's not racist in content but in essence. "Evil aliens invading" and "ancestral curses" are just niggers invading and niggers passing on their shit genetics.
I finished Vampire Hunter D vol 2 Raiser of Gales. It was alright. I think I liked the first one more. This was set in a small rural town in the Frontier again but didn't go as much into the world as history as vol 1.I will move on now to Demon Deathchase, it is the one the Bloodlust movie is based on. After I probably will stop the series there and move to some other works after it.
Why do we never mention the library and always talk about pirating? It's like a legal form of pirating and you can watch cool movies too with Kanopy.It it a psyop to destroy trust in communities and make posters scared to leave the house?
>>24784124She’s sexy
>>24784714Yes
>>24784714literally my first thought when i saw this thread
>>24784124picrel. It's all hyperprogressive goyslop.Maybe when I was 20 I could still take some value from the self-help slop, but now I can lowkey write those books better myself if I needed to.All I want is for a section of the library to be reserved for 100+ year old books with actual meaning and weight to them, over the head of booktok girlies that read contemporary fiction.>>24784173>>24784527these anons get it
>>24784714>Expanding the childrens section
Are difficult books more fulfilling?
Heart of Darkness is only difficult to get through because of the egregious racism.
>>24780364Quentin
>>24780348I literally finished Finnegans Wake an hour ago. It is amazing, I'd likely never recommend it to anyone irl. It was captivating but I don't know if fulfilling is what I'd call it.I also found The Divine Comedy more difficult.
>>24784419oh noooo not the heckin "racism"
>>24780548You don't need to understand every single reference or allusion to appreciate a literary work
>used to play a lot of video games>got bored and stopped>used to watch a lot of movies>got bored and stopped>used to listen to a lot of music>got bored and stopped>used to read a lot of booms>got bored and stoppedWhat now?
>>24784293Have you tried Ashwagandha
>>24784293Ur just traumatized u fuckin faggot — go get EMDR and shit
>>24783367I believe in Nietzsche’s dictum that the only way to enjoy life is by risking it. Have you tried speeding?
>>24784453Target Language
>>24783367Agreed with vidya. Was never into movies or music to begin with.I liked anime for a bit, but that is completely exhausted too now.Actually stoked to return to books and serious reading.
What are some of the funniest /lit/ related things you've seen?
>>24784579I mean this German is typing in English and so should be using English format of quotation marks.
>>24784906English speakers should be using nordic runes instead of the Latin alphabet.
>>24784924germanics aren't ready to hear this but nordic runes are actually just degenerated latin script
>>24784579My diary, desu
>>24785330Does anyone seriously doubt this? Even Latin is from Greek, which is from Phoenician, which is from Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Delphic charioteer edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24732139>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24784537Winging it with Italian. Plus I’ll probably read Italian by the nature method since it worked so well for Latin.>So maybe I start with one of those basic textbooks and work my way up? IDKIf you want to read for comprehension and sight read quickly LLPSI pars i familia romana is your best bet.But yes overall Latin is lexically similar enough to English that direct vocab work is overrated IMO
Idk how to choose a language bros. I think I am too old!! Couldn't find any books on Latin or old English or Greek in any book store or library.
>>24784869yeah I guess you are out of options then sucks to be you better luck next life
>>24784174I have already done that with Parmenides and Sappho. Longus is the first complete book I am attempting.
>>24784869Study French until you can fluently read 90% of French literature then pick either Latin or Ancient Greek
Unemployement: The book
>HEY GUYS HERES MY OPINION ABOUT A BOOK THAT I NEVER READ>NO IM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE BOOK AT ALL IM JUST GONNA SHIT OUT STALE BAIT INSTEAD LOLOLOLPeople like you should never have been taught to read.
i am unemployed and just began readings sections of philosophy of spirit
>google phenomenology of spirit pdf >read the first paragraph of A. Consciousness No wonder Schopenhauer hated this guy.
>>24784047Jesus this really is just mystifying guru crap. It's like Heidegger but with no essence.
>>24784047>>24784358My god, hegel pseuds are beyond parody. Gullible
Schizophrenic or enlightened?
>>24783356Thats adhd. Schizo would be reading some book on a broad topic like pic related and then extrapolating points from it that are never explicitly said in the book the very clearly implied throughout.
>>24783533I imagine you look like this
>>24783656nta but I look like that
>>24783383100% agreed.My stack is currently 1 fiction, 1 non-fiction, 1 theology.I should add some short stories or poetry to the mix.
>>24783423old Bill level: you have two books open on the screen side by side, and you read one line from each in turn.
What are the best books about the life, times, and work of this handsome man?
moby dick and then read wiki article
Bump
>unemployed, nearly broke>countless titles sitting on stack>BOUGHT BOOKS AGAIN
>>24785289Why? Are you retarded? Are you aware that you can get free books online or at a library?
>>24785306>Are you retarded?Yes
>>24785289Many such cases!
Forget the Nobel Prize. When does this video of Houellebecq come out?
why isn't anyone capturing this growing market?
>>24784136The real question is what normalfags are going to do when they get replaced by AI and can no longer wage slave for money.
as a neet/hikkimori i self study poetry in my massive down time. I thought about using being a neet as my gimmick, ill be the neet poet. Like a modern day bukoswski who never leaves his house and doesnt get laid. A new age melancholy and mundane american version of phillip larkin.but then i remeber i suck at poetry and im lazy so i just go back to sleeping or watching anime
>>24784687That's me
>>24784190Get in the cage, wagie
>>24785308Different anon, but all this laughing at people with jobs and praising people gaming the welfare system is sick. And welfare, in the US at least, is peanuts so you'll still be a fucking loser living off your parents even if you manage to get benefits. What you're supposed to do is get a job and half ass it like the rest of us.