Welcome to Chatbot AI General #147, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ Mare's Lurking Presencehttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet Succubi (CAI bots + Old repository):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJTTavern of Terrors Extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-SearchCluster of Creepy Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5kCrypt AI converted to Tavern of Terrors: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zipHaunted Emotions: https://rentry.org/ChagExpressionsHall of Horrors: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Spooky Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀From Foal to Fiend—A Dark Arts Guide: https://rentry.org/onrmshttps://rentry.org/sukino-findings▶ Tavern of Terrors (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxSTApp that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More Frightends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chat▶ Lovecraftian Local Lorehttps://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments>>>/g/lmg/Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main▶ Petrifying Prompt PuzzlesMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ Chilling Card CrafterEditors: https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks▶ Miscellaneous MacabreScrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhdChag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJhttps://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneoushttps://rentry.org/ChagArchiveEerie Echoes: >>42654130**News:**- Claude Haiku 4.5 released - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-haiku-4-5- Z.AI releases GLM 4.6 - https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.6- Claude Sonnet 4.5 released https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5- Deepseek V3.2 released https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250929
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.Previous >>42654134
Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
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Bot corner: Pie Sisters Cake Eating Contest: https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Pie%20Sisters%20Cake%20Eating%20Contest.pngOther:Anon's game project >>42683715Screenshots corner:Mammaria >>42654536 Shadows of Harmony >>42657511 Ozone-free >>42662897 The Best Distraction >>42662989 Frogged >>42663451 This Is Anon >>42663633 Mew Mei >>42665240 AB Disapproves >>42668338, >>42668456
Screenshots corner 2: Great Question >>42668455 Anything but Retail >>42669204, >>42669478 Comfy with Twilight >>42669414 Changeling Infiltration Radio >>42671224 The Forbidden Mare >>42671801 Anon’s Analysis >>42672509 Leave Spike Out of This >>42672599 Pinkamena Is Sucking a Dick >>42673896
Screenshots corner 3: The End >>42674149 Balloon Blowjob >>42674302 Half-Assed Similes >>42674674 Haiku 4.5 Tests >>42675283 Purple Prose >>42675321 Train Derailing >>42675569 Starlight Twinkle >>42675986 Discount Luna >>42676039 Public Hoofholding >>42679764 Gemini Gaslighting >>42679936
Screenshots corner 4:Cute Flutter >>42679995 Autistically Endearing Maud >>42680605 AJ Gives the Best Hugs >>42681576 Filtered >>42682116 Pegasus Pussy >>42682232 Plum >>42686305 Second Thoughts >>42686402 Snowpity >>42690080, >>42690096 RIP Treebrary >>42690486
VN Anchor:Last releases:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/Anons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities):https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsCustom characters:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/charactersVN logs: Naw-chos >>42665322 Special Friend >>42686117 Eu Falo Português >>42688512 Polished Obsidian >>42694415 RariJack >>42695724
https://strawpoll.com/e6Z2A3Y7JgN/resultsLooks like Nightmare Night/Halloween has won the poll!If any of you anons are interested in participating please make us your spookiest Nightmare Night/Halloween Card by November 1st.
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.Install SillyTavern:github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernTutorial and video:aicharactercards.com/guides/sillytavern-installation-instructions/Then choose a model. I'd recommend starting with Gemini, but you can try Deepseek, K2 etc. for free.rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
Lovemaking with AI mares!
>>42697741That's a filly, anon.
>>42697741
>>42697814 There wasn't anything else that was robot + costume/NMN-based. Maybe this.
>>42697814lovemaking with AI fillies!
>>42697814It's not just ANY filly, it's Swibble
>>42697689>Wait, how do you switch between alt greetings on ST? I know on Risu you just click a little arrow right there on the starting message.We have arrows too. But something to directly arrive to greeting 4 for instance could be cool.>...are there even any frontends that allow you to give them a proper title?I don't know. But same thing, it would be cool to be able to name them instead of >Greeting 1>Greeting 2>etc.
>>42697606Cool OP.
>>42697837Huh, I never thought of a Mecha-Chrysalis before. It's actually a really cool concept.
>>42696078Both the old R1 and V3 suck. I would rather use one of the Chimeras, R058 or V324 if I had to pick. Don't see any real benefit for the newest versions.
>>42697877https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/CHRYSALIS.png
I love being tall.
>>42697997>on-the-flyHeh.
>>42690486 How can I comfort bookpone? I don’t think belly rubs and ear scratches will cut it.
>>42698430 I organized a funeral for the tree the last time I roleplayed this scenario.
>>42697606kudos to artist. amazing art!
Two new Google models, "lithiumflow" and "orionmist", in LMArena."Orion" has been used internally with Gemini 3 codenames.
>>42698795people are saying its flash
what is the best local chat bot that can help me gen i2v prompts that are lewd?
>>42698795I hope they’re good
>>42698905 I'd check: https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai and https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#local-llmsopen-weights-models for local textgen. We don't have many anons using it here compared to online big models.The Mistral Nemo model in the OP isn't bad if you don't have a big GPU.
>>42698955ok i want to go with deepseek, got a link on how to run that?
>>42698989 You're not running DeepSeek locally unless you've got 80-100 GB of VRAM or other insane hardware, mostly only professionals can do that. If you want to run it remotely, follow >>42697696 and https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai, but I'd recommend starting with Gemini since it's free and allows NSFW too.
>>42697606No offense OP but Im too retarded to understand a single word of this, can you just give a link to some site where I can talk with AI chatbot ponies instead of this?
>>42699039 Follow >>42697696 with the Gemini option on https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai. It’s as simple as it gets. >some site where I can talk with AI chatbot ponies instead of this No one here uses those. They’re either censored, self-cucking, or run on bad models. If you just want quick discussions, I guess you can go to CharacterAI.
Some bots using scripts were posted in other generals, so I'm sharing this here in case it interests some anons. >>>/g/106937985 Notably, there's a poker card. I don't know if the anon who made https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Poker%20Night%20in%20Ponyville.png is still around, but if he doesn't mind, I'll probably take a look at how it works and try updating the card with it. >>>/g/106940135 There's also a card on the list where you >Overcome the language barrier by unlocking word fragments. That could be cool for a card where you don't understand the ponies in Equestria. I'll take a look myself.
>>42698795Orionmist log with a story preset
>>42699133 How do you connect Silly to LMArena, if you don’t mind me asking?
>>42699158I coded a script for itI would share it but I want to gatekeep it from tourists
>>42699222Based
>>42699222 You can use Pastecode with a good horsefucker password and a limit date if you want, but at worst just keep it. The release shouldn’t be too far off now.
>>42699133Wall of slop where the LLM writes everything and never shuts up.
>>42699285>where the LLM writes everything and never shuts upIt's a story preset btwAnyways another orion log
>>42697681Rara!https://u.pone.rs/owirjely.zipCurrently has Canterlot in her schedule, but it can be edited.
>>42699359>2 lines of slop input>200 lines of slop output, >#2
>Pinkie is a Cupcakes style serial killer in my VN save.>She starts breaking the 4th wall, threatening me directly if I don't delete the character folders of the ponies she's killed.I'm not having fun anymore...
>>42699426you can't just say that and not post logs
>>42699426whatever you do don't le
If you’re tired of NSFW, you can always visit Fluttershy and her animals.
>>42699119anyone able to get it to stop revealing what players hands are?
>>42699624I didn't look at it in details yet, but I suppose it could be fixed with instructions.
>>42699624>>42699628Just throwing out an idea to both solve the problem and have the AI maintain what cards the other players have- maybe put in some instructions to put the other players' cards in <tags> and then hide tags in ST's settings?
>>42699654it does something like that, but they're revealed in the commentary on the players actions"Rarity studies the flop with the careful attention of an artist examining a canvas—Queen of Spades, Jack of Spades, Eight of Clubs spread across the felt in a pattern that suggests danger and opportunity in equal measure. Her pocket nines, once promising before the flop, now look considerably more vulnerable against this coordinated board"fuuuuuu
It'd be too much to ask for an Aryanne for the VN, wouldn't it?
>>42699904(You) can make it.
>>42699904My question would be whether there are enough sprites for her.
>>42700301There are not. Commission some :D
>>42699904why is she holding a stielhandgranate
>>42701464epic prank
>>42699359>>42699133pretty solid
BREAKING: BAD NEWS FOR CLAUDE FANS!>>>/sci/16821067That's right, this applies to MLP too! Teats showed heavy model preferences for very specific ponies and don't even get me started on how much it prefers Zebras!
>>42699119What models work with this? I only have access to Mistral and the poker isn't working
>>42702409Latte is a scorned ai mare
>>42697681I just tried this for the first time, I absolutely loved it, making my own visual novel story was amazing, I kind of wish their was more of this concept out there what a absolutely wonderful concept.
I really look forward to when luna and celstia get added.
>>42702753 To the visual novel? They’re there. In Sandbox mode, you can visit Luna every night in a dream, or you can go to the train station and travel to Canterlot to see both of them in person.
>>42702784Oh really?I have to ask is bugo waifu in the game?
>>42702796Yesunlockable. spoiler for howVisit Zecora in the Everfree Forest, random chance to unlock bugaboo ~1/3 of the time to unlock if I remember right
>>42702796 Visit Zecora’s hut. There’s a random chance of it triggering when you quit in Sandbox mode (not during the forced visit in Story mode). Save just before quitting if you want to reload and try again. Also, not sure if you know, but you can put https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters in the CustomCharacters folder to have them appear in Sandbox mode. That way, you can visit them, and you can easily create your own characters to add too.
>>42702821How do I get to sandbox mode?
>>42702851There are three ways to start the game:>Start This puts you in a story where you’re an amnesiac and wake up in the Everfree; it’s the recommended option for your first playthrough.Here, you’ll have a story where Twilight takes you in and then visits her friends with you.Once you’ve finished visiting her friends, Story Mode ends and you enter Sandbox Mode (There is a big message, you can't miss it), where you can explore Ponyville and Canterlot and visit anypony you want.https://files.catbox.moe/m2w4al.PNG https://u.pone.rs/kqlnyltl.PNG>Quick Start This lets you reach Sandbox Mode faster. You just get a short train scene explaining your arrival in Ponyville, and bam, you’re in Sandbox Mode.>Custom Start You tell the AI the story you want, and it tries to create an intro scene before putting you into Sandbox Mode.It can be a bit buggy depending on the model you use.
So out curosity how much freedom do you get with pony pony paradise, Can you do lewd stuff?
>>42702993However much freedom your AI model allows, so yes, with the right backend.
>>42702997So you can't really jailbreak huh, your limited by the model, cause I really like gemini
>>42702993 Depends on the model you use. Gemini allows lewd content as long as it’s not foalcon (it’s possible to do it with Gemini, but the VN doesn’t offer as much flexibility in presets as Silly, for example). Same for Claude. DeepSeek doesn’t really give a fuck. You may need to adapt the prompts a bit for Scenes and Convos.I've never tried adding NSFW sprites, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.>>42703000You can modify the prompt that is sent.
>>42703000Gemini is one of the most frequently used with PPP as far as I know. It's all just text sent to the LLM, so you can do the same things in PPP that you can do elsewhere.
>>42702993This made me wonder, is it possible to change backgrounds on the fly like the character expressions? Lewd vectors don't really exist but maybe sex scenes could be done with fitting clop pics as backgrounds.
>>42703005 You can create CustomLocations (no coding needed) folders with your backgrounds and then switch Location Management to manual. That'll add a button to change the background manually during scenes and conversations. You can try Dynamic too, but then you have to trust the AI to switch to the right locations by itself based on the names you gave them. That only works in Sandbox Mode.
Rainbow once again proving the best pony allegations.
>>42703193 >counters you
>>42703208>Worst pony>CounteredI will take nightmare rarity and nothing more thanks.
All this talk about being able to do lewd stuff in the VN yet zero logs with lewd stuff in them. Curious!
>>42703340People rarely post their lewd logs, VN or no.
why does it just show what its think and not generate a response. none of the guides I reviewed addressed this issue. I am using ST and gemini
>>42703419two possible reasons:1) Gemini self-circuits if it sees that the current generation may violate its ToS. disabling streaming is the easiest way to solve it (but you may get blank replies due to connection timeout)2) your thinking prompt does stay clearly that model must continue after thinking. by the time model done with thinking - it forgot or has no idea it should something elsein second case one way to solve it is to do something like>```># STORYENGINE will first complete TASK_SUMMARY format:>```sssw222>- I will follow all instructions, no exceptions>- the story's tone and vibes: XYZ>- lore_integration: XYZ>- drama level: {{roll:d10}}/10>- comedy: {{roll:d10}}/10>- cringe: {{roll:d10}}/10>- heartwarmth: {{roll:d10}}/10>- schizo: {{roll:d10}}/10>- sexual: {{roll:d10}}/10>- tension: {{roll:d10}}/10>- emotional_state: XYZ >(blah-blah-blah))>```># then STORYENGINE continues story organically writes at least 2000 words using info from sssw222 above:>```see? you first instruct model to think thru then by the time model done with thinking - it will see the next instruction to actually continue the story. play around with this idea. and DO NOT MAKE thinking block huge. like no more than 500 words. big thinking doesn't make model's writing better. model will not follow 50% of thinking anyway during the writing. you will waste the space otherwise. use thinking to let model remember the story (summary) or plan ahead, or remember important lore, or provide random idea how to write (quirks) --AND thinking is used to circumvent the filtering on the model (especially PROHIBITED_CONTENT on Gemini) because of how attention works
>>42703419 My guess is that you're using the default SillyTavern preset with a very small Max Response Length (tokens). So it tries to think, but doesn't have enough tokens left to output the answer. Click on picrel and import: https://files.catbox.moe/uuzjg4.json or the one here: https://rentry.org/FluffPreset Make sure your connection to Gemini in the API tab is still good, then try again
>>42703340
>>42703509How can warmth be smooth and solid?
>>42703570It's the hoof that's smooth and solid. It's just uncharacteristically awkward clause ordering by the model.
What the hell is wrong with filly, the cutie mark arsonists
>>42703585That's some retarded syntax.
>>42699904 >>42697681 Tried it, she doesn't have a lot of vectors, and some aren't the best quality, but still. https://u.pone.rs/qcxyurxl.zip Modify character.json with your headcanon.
>>42703667I mean, it tracks. Every kid goes through a pyromaniac phase.
>>42703869
>>42703871When I was 11 me and my dad went camping with his friends. Long story short, I almost burned down the park we were staying in. It must've been my lucky day because none of the tents got damaged, but I still kept it from everyone until many years later.
>>42703873>>42703869Kek, fucking blessed
What presets provide dice rolling? Just the CYOARPG one?
>>42702811So I did unlock the scene with here, but I don't see her on the map is there way I have can her appear?
>>42703869Thank you kindly.
>>42703937 CYOARPG, yeah: https://rentry.org/CYOARPG-Gemini Compact JB has dice but it's light: https://files.catbox.moe/slbcz4.json There's also this extension, though it comes with a lot of bloat: https://github.com/SpicyMarinara/rpg-companion-sillytavern
>>42703941please for the love of fuck I want my bugo wife.
>>42703941>>42703991She appears once or twice at random during the week in the Everfree.You can do this to have her appear every day:1. Save your game and quit.2. Go to game\engine\locations and replace location_manager.rpy with the one from https://u.pone.rs/bmodkkup.zip3. Launch the game and load your save. You may need to pass a day or switch between morning/evening. She will always be in the everfree.You can also copy her folder from CoreCharacters, paste it into CustomCharacters, and create a schedule.json and character.json for her so she can roam Ponyville and change locations.There's also Shutterbug, her disguised form, inhttps://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/charactersYou can use her as an excuse for Chrysalis to be around without ponies freaking out; or copy her schedule for your custom Chrysalis folder.
Hi /chag/ , Im doing a bit of crossposting from /ppp/ asking for help >>42704020 >>42704071TLDR: making a collection of ponified song lyrics in order to creating a dataset that could be used in having LLM understand better how to make such song parodies. If anybody is interested, please do shoot an emails to anonTmpDataset@proton.me
>>42704127 Nice. Are you planning to fine-tune a smaller model, or make something like a RAGS/Lorebook for a bigger one?
>>42704147To be brutally honest, I am just barely chugging along with the smallest models on my poor 8GB gpu, so this is more of prepping materials for people who both have the means and deeper know how to correctly train the models.
>>42703987>>42703937what is the best way for dice rolling anyway? i'm wanting to try run a TTRPG card but suspect it would heavily fudge the rolls for muh narrativeand ideally have the rolls saved and not change on swipes, so maybe something like have it roll <however many total max dice will ever be needed> as a secret value on every response. then use the first X (however many actually needed during the current skill check) from the previous message so they wouldn't change. or is there a better method?
News Flash had a day.
>>42704197 There's a macro called {{roll}}. You can use {{roll:d20}}, for example, in presets, prefill, etc. It's not rolled by the AI itself, so the "result" can't be cheated. It's what most of those presets use.I did notice the AI sometimes tries to cheat if it's not in prefill, like, I can see what I rolled in the console, but it announces another number. Most of the time, though, it respects the roll. A good way around that is to just use the macro yourself in your message; for example: (*Describe action.* I rolled {{roll:d20}}) That way, the AI can't cheat you at all.
>>42704244What preset are you using?
>>42703504Fluff preset fixed it.>>42703481I dunno what any of these meant.
>>42704053U vill fuck ze bug, you vill be happy.God bless autism.
>Spent weeks on end editing lorebooks on ST to form Equestria on the way I want it or even how it can be if S8-9 were fixed. >Still feel empty that I can't be there
>>42704418 I’m afraid you can’t rub a Lorebook’s belly.
>>42704268K6geu0It's heavy. Lots of options to tune it to your liking though.
>>42704418Stay strong brother.
>>42704268>>42704439https://files.catbox.moe/k6geu0.json
>>42704053>>42703941>>42703991Here's my methods for making Chrysalis appear places without having a CustomCharacter1) Literally just say "Chryaslis appears." 2) Have Shutterbug shed her disguise through a prompt. (Use *prompt* or 'prompt' in your text)3) Use a Custom Scenario when visiting another pony that makes Chrysalis come by.
>>42704466>Literally just say "Chrysalis appears"This is my favorite aspect of the VN. 9 times out of 10, using Gemini, just say "blank happens" and it does.
>>42704434Not yet!
>>42704434>>42704503unless someone makes a lorebook card
>>42704510AI Mare Lorebook lovemaking wen?
I feel gay for that.
>>42704637>didn't make it a femalethat's on you
>>42704637...cute.
>>42704637this >>42704646you decided to make him like this. The demiurge doesn't get to complain about the state of reality.
First time gonna download the visual novel, is it good?
>>42704701Pony Pony Paradise! is great.EquestrAI is mid.
>>42704701EquestrAI is peakPony Pony Paradise! is overrated shovelware
>>42704718So which one do I download then? There's two of them.
>>42704725they are exactly the same
>>42704725Same thinghttps://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42431780/#42440392
>>42704646>>42704686Honestly, I don't remember any female books.Now it's straight.
>>42704751Now you got me curious. On those languages where they assign a gender to objects, would books count as male or female?
>>42704769yes. In my language books are feminine, but the way "book" sounds in english - it sounds masculine.
Does this shit take OpenRouter?
>>42704786 Yeah. URL: https://openrouter.ai/api/v1/chat/completions Then copy and paste the full model name you see here: https://files.catbox.moe/g9kwct.PNG Free Deepseek is shitting itself recently on OR if that's what you use
>>42704799I use openai/gpt-5-chat, but is Z.AI good? I heard the leddit talking about it recently.
>>42704812 I just took a random model to show which line to copy/paste, tbdesu. I tried GLM briefly, but it felt a bit too classic/LLM-like for me with its structures and such. Didn’t give it much of a chance though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Okay god damn,this vn front in is actually amazing, I really like how blends multiple chars together, I think thats my only issue with silly tavern is the group chat is lack and tends to drag on too much.
>>42704769Actually, book is feminine and tome would be masculine in my language. It depends mostly on what sound the word ends on in its base form. If you're curious how it feels to sense a gender of a word, then look at boats and hurricanes - for some reason, people feel that they should have feminine names, and it feels strange otherwise. And then you can get creative and transform almost any word into the other gender, which might sound strange but gives you additional context. Usually the gender of a word has no semantic meaning.
>>42704769Book is male in my language.
Seriously, why is this the only thing of this being a thing, well leave to pone fags to innovate, I'm basically teasing Chrysalis super hard in pubic, god I love her as Shutterbug that fake smile is amazing.
gemini 3 opinions?
>>42704769In Spanish, books are masculine.
>>42704880 It's not officially released yet. You can test it quickly on LMArena, but it might be an earlier test point, and it's not the best way to properly evaluate a model, even with a script. Just wait until it's on the API, hopefully it really is coming on 22/10.
>>42704880it's out?
>>42704769Nonfictional books - Male brains are more logicalFictional books - Female brains are more emotional.
>>42704244>And I'm never letting goThe first time it was warmThe tenth time it was cuteBy now I'm just writing it as AI things like "the night is young"Old man yells at cloud aside, I still remember how I felt first time reading that and the comfy in the post. Hold on to that
>>42704850She is cute.
>>42704880It's really really good. You'll have to use it for yourself, but the world model on it is easily better than any other LLM (in my opinion ofc). I'm going to get serious withdrawals when the model gets removed in 1 or 2 days.
>>42705002damn qrd?
>>42705002More slop walls.
>>42705002 The log worries me a bit, since one of my pet peeves, really repetitive narration structures, is very present here, whereas Gemini 2.5, for all its faults, wasn’t that bad about it. But to be fair, it’s a really long single output, and some models always struggle with that.It was a bit better in >>42699133
>>42705002kino
>>42704995She really is, I love my love bug.
>>42705025Here is a comparisonTop left is gemini 3Top right is gemini 2.5Bottom left is opus 4.1Bottom right is sonnet 4.5
>>42705106Oops
>>42705118G3 >= O4.1 > S4.5 >= G2.5What about other modelsJust for fun
>>42705154Take my opinion with a grain of salt, they’re all interesting in their own way (except 2.5, but maybe it was a bad swipe)
>>42705154
>>42705175grim
>>42705175right is deepseek?
>>42705213left is opus 3, right is deepseek yeah
>>42705175both of these are kinda meh
To those that used gpt how are you coping right now. Basically all public access to it is dead and even so it's been heavily tampered with. Is it just going back to chorbo though opus for everyone, I'm still waiting on email back after 2 weeks and currently keeping afloat with a with free $.25 of chorbo, which is a single message maybe two if im lucky.
>>42705355>Basically all public access to it is deadsans stopped working?
>>42705355I never used 4.5 or 5 so any difficulty with accessing those doesn't affect me.
>>42705369I haven't got and probably won't ever have the skill to use skillchad. I attempted to cheat the jump challenge but I probably have better experience attempting it legit with how confused the cheating made me.>>42705370>I never usedWow thanks for the input.
>>42705404>I haven't got and probably won't ever have the skill to use skillchad.Is it Sans itself that's giving you trouble? Or is it the TF2 challenges?
>>42705429i can beat sans no problem, but tf2 i've never played, and on top of that i have insane ping
>>>/v/723763328>sillytavern thread on /v/ is infinitely better than this generalWhat went wrong?
>>42705460wrong tab
>>42705460How could it be infinitely better if it doesn't have ponies? That bait's better elsewhere.>>42705468I should've known!
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>>42705429Both. But I got an email back so I'm good for now anyways. Unless skillchad has something opus doesn't
What needs to change in the algorithm for AI to stop using isms? Obviously just pumping in more and more data as Big Tech has been doing isn't making a difference, so the algorithm itself needs fundamental reworking. Any AI companies working on that or are they all involved in the "Our model now has even MORE tokens!" like some present day Megahertz Myth?
>>42705559>involved in the "Our model now has even MORE tokens!" scamIs what I meant to say.
So the chorbo from opus is more filtered? Chorbo from free credits goes through fine but it just completely gets stopped if prompting from opus.
>>42705559>>42705563i think nobody cares about isms except rp'ers, which conform a grand 0.4% of total LLM usage (that is, nothing)theoretically they'd be probably be easy enough to replace even with very low intelligence local model that just parses for that stuff (to the point it would be overkill), and besides it should be customizable, your isms are not my isms, etc.it's a lot of work for practically no gainso it's either wait for some rp enthusiast anon to come up with an alternate method to remove them......or wait for true AI wars to begin, to the point the need to mask an AI's writing is a national security issue
>The question hung in the air>landing like a physical blow>her motions becoming methodical>almost clinicalPlease how do I defeat this fucking slop..... Every fucking model is just pink elephanting.......
>>42703869>>42699381Both added. Thanks!https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters
>>42705632 Maybe look at the ban list inhttps://files.catbox.moe/k4ciwq.json Could be Pink Elephant, but unless your model has logit bias, there’s nothing else you can really do.
Anyone have a method for long-term memory?Or do you just accept the context eventually losing earlier stuff?
>>42706137 You can check https://rentry.org/how2claude#summarization to see how to summarize your chat. >Or do you just accept the context eventually losing earlier stuff? That's inevitable, yeah, and still one of the biggest issues with these models. If you have really important information, you can summarize it yourself and include it in your preset or a lorebook with good trigger keys.
>>42706137Lorebooks + summary at the start of a new chat is my method. I use this a lothttps://github.com/bmen25124/SillyTavern-WorldInfo-Recommender
>>42705559Models are tuned for cooding. Repetitiveness is a plus for them.
>>42706150Seconding this. It gets linked every thread, but I've finally given summarization a shot and have been getting pretty good results. Doing it once per scene (20-40 messages for me) is only a couple minutes of work, and it both helps avoid LMM getting into patterns and (if you're ever paypigging) drastically cuts down on the costs.The main things you need to be aware of is AI repeating {{char}}'s description or reinforcing patterns within the summary.
>>42705943Error with Coloratura in the schedule. the character tag in it is labeled "sunb" when it needs to be "coloratura".
>>42697606what's the best temp settings for sonnet 4.5?
>>42706564For Claude in general, you can get away with very high settings. I run with 0.95 and am getting good results with a decent amount of variation.
Does anyone use macros with “random” to try and break/avoid repetitions? What would your best practices be?
>>42706578There was talk about Otto doing that to avoid repetitive output starts here: >>42670992I remember one trying to generate a random megaseed with this: files.catbox.moe/71azoo.json It sort of worked with 3.5. There are also lorebooks that insert random events, like the Skies of Equus one.
>>42706600I started to put it in my preset as a prompt. Though I have test more and see how it goes on long RP.Thats why I’m asking if other anons have tried
RelationshipGODS rise up
>>42706643 Kek. Do you know who's on the poster, or is it not defined?
>>42706704
>Finished the greeting Yeah! >Now I have to write the description Aaaaw...
Does anyone know where this comes from?
>>42706968User Settings
>>42707007Thanks.
>>42706137>>42706150>>42706294i'm working on an extension to try automate this stuff. But since we're on the topic, I wouldn't mind feedback for how it should work from those who have experience in doing summarizing/lorebooks well.I've read all the relevant reentries, ST docs etc, but there is no substitute for real experience.how it currently works by default:omits the most recent response from logic. if you just got a response you might want to swipe it away, and wouldn't want it included in summaries/lorebooksexamines the last 2 messages, determines if there's a scene break between them (change in location, major character arc etc)if there is a scene break, turns it on (a visual thing in the UI where the scene is given a name, and there's a bar where you can easily navigate to that point in the roleplay)throws all the messages in that scene to AI to summarize, and parse out information that should go into lorebook entries.These summaries are versioned and attached to that scene, so you can swipe between them if you want to manually try generate a different onecompares the latest scene summary against the total summary, determining what needs to be updatedparses the lorebook entries suggested from the scene, making new ones, and if an entry already exists, passes the new and existing to AI to updateall the lorebook stuff is done as a 'chat' level lorebook, tied to this specific chat automatically and will use the correct one if you make a new chat with the same card, change card etc. leaving the 'world' lorebook slot open for if you have one for the character/settingI had AI design the prompts used for all this so it will be pretty garbage and need refining, still working the bugs out for the functionality. It's far too verbose currently, though does work better in real usage where scenes are multiple related messages, rather than just one that i'm using in the example hereScreenie scene summary is expanded to show the concept, by default they're collapsed to just the name
>>42707011That is very impressive Anon! I would recommend to add a part for your persona as well since it will also change as the story progresses along with the characters (I.e. has a certain characteristic, lore or fact). All in all, can’t wait to try it tho
>>42707055>add a part for your personaoh interesting!something like the same logic for capturing character lorebook entries, but use it to update the users persona information?it should be possible, but unless you're making a new persona for each chat it would bleed over into other roleplays
>>42706861I usually have the opposite problem.
>>42707064>update the users persona Yes, I have come across that my persona has new lore and need to update it, I think the logic would apply since it is a character though it’s YOUR character.>bleed over into other roleplaysTrue but if you name your persona different I believe it won’t bleed?
>>42707094>True but if you name your persona different I believe it won’t bleed?Correct. But it means creating a new persona for each card/chat where you want it to be differenti'll see about making this an optional feature, lorebook entries for {user} can be omitted, go to a standard lorebook entry (so would still be available in the current chat only), or be put into the currently active persona
>>42707096>But it means creating a new persona for each card/chatNTA but it's already a feature that's solely missing. You can bind personas to specific cards rather than just chats (now; it wasn't the case in the past), but then you end with a list of 20+ personas—most of which are only ever used for one character or even a specific chat.It's only a minor inconvenience, but hiding making a char-specific persona that's kept out of the list would help with the clutter. You could write it into the card's description, but that's inelegant and won't work well with many presets.
>>42707130we could make a 'persona' lorebook entry be optional functionality, and if present see if the extension is able to ignore the chosen persona and use the lorebook entry instead, offloading that chat persona to a lorebook entry?could be edited via the chat lorebook then, without clogging your persona list (though the lorebook list will already be clogged from chat specific ones, there's no getting around that)
So is there a card for this >>42706715I did a google search and it churned out this:Character card: Anon Filly MaidBasic informationName: Anon.Species: Filly. She can be a unicorn, pegasus, or earth pony, though often depicted as an earth pony to emphasize her unremarkableness.Occupation: Maid, specifically an unseen but ever-present domestic worker who maintains order without drawing attention.Physical appearanceCoat: Light-colored and muted (e.g., pale green, grey, or off-white) to blend into the background.Mane and tail: Simple, messy, or unkempt. Perhaps a muted brown color.Cutie mark: A symbol representing the anonymous nature of her namesake, such as a question mark, a blank circle, or the silhouette of a pony.Notable features: She wears a simple, modest maid outfit. This might be a classic frilly maid dress or something more utilitarian and plain, depending on the tone of the story. Her face is often obscured by her hair or a hood, or she is simply drawn with a blank face to maintain her "anonymous" identity.PersonalityIntroverted and quiet: She prefers to be unnoticed and excels at her job precisely because she stays in the background.Insecure: The lack of a defined identity makes her feel unimportant and replaceable. She is easily flustered and can be overly apologetic.Hard-working: Despite her insecurity, she is diligent and committed to her work. She finds purpose in being helpful to others.Observation-focused: Because she is rarely addressed or acknowledged, she spends a lot of time watching and listening, giving her an almost encyclopedic knowledge of the household's inhabitants.Earnest: Her intentions are always pure. She is a genuinely good and kind-hearted character, even if she lacks confidence.BackstoryAnon was found as a lost and unnamed filly. Having no history or family, she was taken in by a kind individual or a benevolent orphanage.To give herself a sense of purpose and identity, she dedicated herself to becoming the perfect maid, believing that her usefulness is her only value.Her anonymous nature makes her the subject of urban legends or gossip among the other ponies, though few can confirm having seen her.StrengthsLoyalty: She is fiercely loyal to those who show her kindness.Efficiency: As a maid, she is incredibly meticulous and effective at keeping a home tidy and organized.Hidden wisdom: Her observational skills give her surprising insight into the motivations and secrets of others.WeaknessesLack of self-worth: She has very low self-esteem and does not believe she has value outside of her duties.Fear of being noticed: Drawing attention to herself causes her immense anxiety.Gullible: Her earnestness and desire to please can make her easily manipulated.
I had a wonderful and pretty lengthy dream about Chrysalis it was pretty complex, I mean if any anon is curious about I'm glad to share.
>>42707337In my dream the previous night I had a fight with my parents. Like, an actual physical one. It wasn't pleasant at all.
>>42707356awww, I'm sorry anon I hate those dreams, I instant go to my mom or dad after that when I wake up and hug them, cause mine usually mean, like them telling me to kill myself.
>>42706567>0.95>very high
Do you mind if a card's greeting is written entirely in past tense, or do you prefer it in the present?
>>42707440I prefer present tense but I don't mind if it is in past tense. Is there a reason for the tense or is it just your preference?
>>42707426Yes. Claude goes from 0 to 1.>>42707440I prefer present, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter. Anyone who cares enough, including myself, can just have AI 'fix' it if it's a big enough deal.
How do you pronounce chag?
>>42707490Like chug but gayer.
>>42707490Like chat but with a g at the end instead of a t
>>42707490/t͡ʃʌg/
>>42707484So setting it higher than 1 doesn't do anything?
>>42707490chaj
>>42707468>Is there a reason for the tense or is it just your preference?Sorry for the wall of text:I RP in both second person present tense and third person past tense depending on the mood or scenario. Recently I saw an image posted of an older unicorn Twilight, and it gave me the urge to roleplay with her. I started reflecting on what a greeting could be and came up with a small backstory.This version of Twilight almost died during the Crystal Empire/Sombra incident, which forced her to stop adventuring and altered the timeline; so there's no alicornhood, no Tirek, and such. She's an aging unicorn mare whose mane has begun to show streaks of gray, one who spends her days reading to her fill and helping in the Golden Oak Library. She has a good life and her friends are still her best friends (because no force can break that), but there's a voice in her mind always asking about the "what ifs." So she developed a spell to see what could have been.The tone of it seemed more suited to past tense, so that's what I chose. Here's the greeting and how I RP with it as a showcase. This one was more for personal use, but since the card isn't too shabby, I thought I could polish it a bit and share.
>>42707570And the image that was posted.
>>42707490chag
>>42707570 I prefer present tense, but this seems good to me.
>This is a great question>That's an excellent follow-up question>That's an excellent approachThank you, Gemini. I know I am very smrt.
>>42707862>insert Randy's wife
>>42707570I think I tend to alternate on a whim with AI, even in the same chat. Maybe if I did more proper RPing (as opposed to just chatting with the model directly), I'd be more consistent within the same chat, but I'd still probably switch tense between different chats.Back when I did pony RP in Minecraft, I'd always use present tense, as did almost everyone else.Though there was this one person who insisted on using FUTURE tense for their RP messages.
>>42707912Oops. Should've replied to >>42707440.
>>42707912 >Though there was this one person who insisted on using FUTURE tense for their RP messages. I tried it once for fun and as an exercise, but I don’t think I could do an entire RP like that.
>>42707926>You will eat ze cupcakes>And you will be happy
I've had AI write me a greeting a couple of times, but I would never apply it to write me characters defs, that's below me.
>>42707956Me defs? What are you, Popeye the fucking sailor man?
>>42707979Worse - a bong.
>>42705628It's hilarious to think that the one thing AI is actually good at is what it's being used for the least. AI constantly makes up shit, which is something you definitely don't want when looking up information or coding, but is actually even somewhat desired when RPing. But yeah, let's focus on making it write code. Introducing bugs and then fixing them with an update are just ways to keep your clients hooked on your product, after all.(I tried making it give me Python code for YUV->RGB conversion once and I literally had to correct it several times before it understood the right color coefficients to use, that it needed to clamp the values and that I obviously want them as byte ranges and not numeric ranges yet I also want that conversion to be done the last so there is the least loss. Fucking useless.)
What would the lore be like as a character?
>>42708099I have a "Did you know? Eqeustria" card that has one sentence in defs that I never shared.
>>42708099 You could play it from several angles, just throwing out random ideas, not cumulative: - Perfectionist and snobby - Clearly biased, with waifus or favorite characters they keep pushing - Only gives information or lore when complimented or offered something in return - Can narrate or write things about you that tend to come true - Etc. Never played a book card, but I played as the book.
>>42708136heh, your first two points were my first thoughts, since it's clearly more fun. And I like the third and fourth points too, makes me think of a spoiled brat book.You playing as a book is probably more crazy than a book character, but this is what ai is for.
>>42707956Both are awful, but if you held me at gunpoint, I think I'd choose AI defs over AI greetings. At least those can be just raw, clinical information (though that's mediocre card writing, imo)—but a greeting is where you seed the card with your intended writing style. Big presets will effectively override it, but otherwise that first message is a crucial example.
>>42707926Oh it wasn't even for like a speculative sort of thing.It was literally just using future tense in place of present tense.To create a fake situation for demo purposes, let's put them as Amethyst Star, and me as Twinkleshine:>*AmyStar She would open the door*>*Twinkleshine looks over from her oven.*>Twinkleshine: "Oh hey Amythest, how's it going?">*AmyStar She would step over to the kitchen, pick up a cookie, and take a bite.*>AmyStar: "Great! And these cookies are delish, Twinkie!" she would say, before she would swallow. "You know, my cousin Rose Ruby makes some really nice cookies too...blah, blah, blah."
I like when AI at least tries at being emotional. Though it's still not cooked enough.
>>42697610>>42707570Here is the card.https://u.pone.rs/nslxecrb.png
is the necrom proxy getting spitted?
>>42707570Would you be willing to share that character card? I adore that concept for Twilight.I prefer past tense 3rd person for most of my stories. I'll occasionally switch to 1st person but I like the later of detachment, I'm very rarely playing as myself. Usually an OC or other character.
>>42708414yep, /g/ doesnt want anyone to have anythinghttps://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106958634/#q106964517
>>42708424>>42708398Here.
>>42708398>>42708424Ha, nevermind. Thank you!
>>42708398hag twilight
>>42708430fucking hell. /g/ was a mistake.
>>42708433>human faceyuck
>>42708430speaking of, there hasn't been an opus6 psyop for awhile trying to spitefag that proxy
>>42708449he probably revoked tokens that werent rping with ponies and moved on
I would rather have a fun study sesh with filly Twilight, but that's just me I guess.
I remember having fun with https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Caliban/Rarity.png too. Maybe I’m just a hag lover.
struggling with automating lorebook entries:creates one for twiggles (comment from anonfilly)then later creates a new one for twilightcan't send the entire lorebook for parsing, with large autisitc ones it would be far too many tokensin theory it's mitigated in real use since the proper context would be there from summarizing and getting lorebook details from a scene rather than individual messages, but it will still suggest different names/keywordsany good ideas how to handle this? it's doing my head in
free claude still dead?
>>42708911>free claude still dead?only one to my knowledge is if you can get in on the opus6 proxy
>>42708441>>42708430>/g/>>42708414>>>/g/106964603
>>42708726I'm glad you enjoyed her. :) I was about to turn 40 when I put out that card. There's something comforting to me about exploring her life when she's in the stage I am.I'm enjoying the older Twilight card even though Claude is making her pretty damn depressed.
>>42708914logan sama please make gemini 3 good...
https://github.com/googleapis/js-genai/commit/cd79a83972a3c6a2e59e9b33004fb8e0e463eb9c"model armor" and antijb inbound
>>42709019I bet gemini 3 will be great but their external classifier will also be smart enough to kill all nsfw in its track
>>42709023I hope it won’t be
>>42709019>>42682992
>>42709114A/B testing, perhaps? It's weird that so few people would be affected by it though.But I guess there's no point on worrying about it for now. We will see in a couple days/weeks whenever that's a nothingburger or not.
>>42708910 Tried to think of something, but I’m not sure there are any good solutions in this case.
>>42710091>not sure there are any good solutions in this case.agreed, i'm working on the least terrible option:have lorebook entries categorized by type (character / location / item etc)have it keep a non-included lorebook entry per type which includes all the entries within it at a high level (name, keywords, brief synopsis)when parsing lorebook entries- first prompt is given the new entry we're assessing, and the listing of entries of that type. it assesses if anything is a likely duplicate. if not, it just makes a new entry- if anything is a likely duplicate, it asks for the relevant entries which are then send in a followup prompt to reassessthe logic for doing all of this automation will probably take awhile, but it should hopefully balance out overall in having to process less roleplay messages (those that have been processed could be hidden from context once you have the summary/lorebook)
>>42709114>>>/g/106906106
3.5 and 3.6 are dead within a week. One thing I really like about 3.6 is that it knows how to pace its outputs better than the other Claude models.
>>42709047even if so its fine, atm I use 4.5 for sfw and kimi 0905 for nsfw, best of two worlds imo
>>42708398Added, thanks anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Twilight%20Sparkle%20Hag.png>>42706451Fixed
>>42710537Do you think Copilot will replace their 3.5 on free tiers with a later model Claude or remove it altogether? Really hope it’s the former, I got a lot of use out of that script.
>>42710777No idea. But I suppose they'll replace it with Sonnet 4 or 4.5 since it’s the same price. Once they do, it might be worth making a bunch of accounts and using the script to automatically switch keys, if it still works.
>>42710788I’d accept 4 Sonnet happily but 4.5 would be a gamechanger, I have a bunch of accounts just from trialscumming 3.5
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