https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxAUFYOUvs>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>123311714
Strauss wrote his best works in a Neoclassical style. Everything Strauss wrote from 1889 to 1909 is garbage.
>>123345372Which Strauss? Johann or Richard?
>>123345386no one cares about viennese waltz in these threads
>>123345395That's because Johann Strauss the first was better than his son but no one knows this.
>>123345372His best works are for the soprano voice.
>>123345411no one gives a shit about the strauss family period
>>123345413*basso
>>123345478I do.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIhALpqk8uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cinSg17nWfAI'd want this performed at my wedding. Just a fantastic movement with a great festive quality.
>tranime loon thinks anyone will ever marry a troonLMFAO
>>123345533Hah, that's a great internal rhyme.
>>123345506>not getting married to lohengrinI shiggy diggy
>>123345533I'm a straight man, though. Either way, not very /classical/. Maybe try >>>/lgbt/ instead?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhlXVGQd5VU
>>123345649do tranime sisters really think they’re fooling anyone with this?
>>123345664You know that appreciating cute girls means you are interested in women, i.e straight?Your post implies I am a homosexual man pretending to be a woman, logically speaking, this implies there is an interest in men. One I have not displayed at any point in any thread. You seem to be projecting a lot.
>>123345743we know you’re an AGP tranny, tranime sister. no need to stay in your egg, /classical/ is a safe space.
>>123345776ywnbaw, TJ.
>>123345776you are cancer. Total tranny death can't come soon enough.
>>123345776wash your dilator.
>>123345776Trannies don't live in anybody's head rent free. They kick in the door to your head down and shit on the carpet. These fucking people do not leave you, your space, or your thoughts alone. If you try to have a discussion without them, they insist on making it about them. They put themselves everywhere until there is nowhere left to enjoy. I can't even click a YouTube video anymore without some faggot putting on a fake girl voice and trying to act like a cute anime retard. It's painful. It's dishonest and inauthentic. The entire trans movement is dripping with aggressive dishonesty. When you tell me to refer to you as "she/her" you are telling me to see a woman when I look at you. I don't. I see your imitation based on what porn ridden men like you find attractive, but more than this I see male aggression. I see the demand to dominate. I see acts of assertion and imperialist reeducation. You demand that I tell you 2+2=5 and when I refuse you become angry, aggressive and seek my removal or destruction. You are bullies who want to assert yourselves over others but have no field in which you're competitive except in social manipulation. You demand female spaces, you demand female aesthetics, you even demand the female label. You have entered into thievery and barbarism. You are dishonest, inauthentic and aggressive. You are not, will never and can never be a woman. You are the aggressor in every space. Your insistence on being called a woman is your demand to be given the girlfriend you were denied through your roleplaying as that imaginary woman. You are your father's son and that is how you will die.
>>123345776All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>123345776>>123345864>>123345998>>123346006>>123346049>>123346064I dont think he was being serious, man. But pretending sisterjanny is a tranny is funnny so lets do it
>>123346112shut your hole, TJ.
Rachmaninoff Symphony No.2Name a greater symphony, I'll wait.>pro tip: you can't
>dont post a duplicate of a thread that already reached the bump limitReally nigga?
>>123346194you really don't need to immediately make a new thread just because the bump limit was reached. the old thread was still on page 1. just listen to a Wagner opera before making a new thread. when the thread has reached page 7, you can make a new thread.
>>123346165Das lied Von Der erde and Scriabin 3, honestly there's many more but those are the last ones I listened to that were greater
I want to have sex with a robot while Wagner plays.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuvcUazRJZA
>>123346262We make threads instantly after the bump limit all the time you pedantic faggot.
Could Bach's fugues be described as polyphonic ritornellos?
>>123346527Scriabin is an anime composer?
Schubert https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l3HvVXMW7z8cSJWRJl3hxG45bbsfhaOzo
>>123345864>>123345998>>123346006>>123346049>>123346064>>123346133thank you assblasted schizo sister>>123346165how about any symphony not written by a retarded emotionally dishonest slave?
>>123347950thank you malding schizo sister
Janniecheckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJuiU9nKDZQ&list=OLAK5uy_kC0KuzqMB0xFMnqrYBV0JB8qTzPUs3FrY>>123348333stop spamming scholomosister
>>123348370thank you seething schizo wignat sister
>>123345413Like what?>>123346165I'll admit for the emotions it evokes, it's one of the very best for it.
>>123348370I saw that recording yesterday when I was on my Glagolitic Mass binge but wasn't sure if Rattle for Janacek was worth listening to.inb4rattle is never worth listening to
>>123348637i agree, few works evoke disgust more effectively.
>>123347538Very cool, thank you.
What piece would adequately portray the nightmarish hellscape that the autistic sister poster will go through after having to pay back the astronomical amount of karmic debt he's amassed over however many threads he's posted in and is going to continue to post in?
>>123348733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw
>>123348652I dunno about the Mass, but I really liked his Sinfonietta. Granted, the other one I know it's the one by Edward Garder on his Orchestral Works Vol. 1 compilation, and that one is a bit stiff.
>>123348787I'll give it a listen, thanks.
>>123348733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RrLWema4tU
>>123348733no piece would portray a nightmarish hellscape better than revolting bleeding heart virtuoso slaveslop
So I finally listened to the Stein Brucker 6 and yeah, that's the best recording, wow. Also found this really enjoyable read of an effusive review talking about it on Skrowaczewski's 6.
>>123348637Opera arias and songs for soprano, duh.
>>123348857Oh, I thought you/they meant he has some non-opera vocal music for soprano voice that's worth listening to.
>>123348829Hmm... is that review written by someone se know?
>>123348875The Lieder, duh.
>>123348881Haha it's funny when I first came across it last night I had a similar thought, and considered making the same joke when posting it. It really is that good though.
>>123348733If he is jewish, I can picture him sacrificing chickens to this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzdYdk711fw&t=732s
>>123348892O derp, right. I love the four orchestral songs especially but for some reason I always forget about their existence, along with the other lieder.
>>123348370Great listen.
>>123348787How weird. Youtube has Vol. 1 and Vol. 3, but not 2. Something similar happened with Britten Conducts Britten collection, youtube has Vol. 1 to 5, except for Vol. 3.
>>123329862Sorry for the late reply but the I linked the playlist on youtube:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyrS5_ErY3KQ6KAeraqPfQFeTumSPCMjA
>>123349167Erm, I was talking about this one. It includes the Four Seasons and the eight other pieces.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7t9eYku0PY
>>123349297oh my my bad sorry
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUEjRcBASU
trying out a handful recordings of parings of Schubert's 8th and 9th. Szell and Munch were stellar and will probably end up being the best, but still fun to try out others. Next with be either Bohm / BPO or Bernstein / NYP.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSRSdi4xUk&list=OLAK5uy_nJ-63p2gJNefsuB7PORdkz9vsD1KwG92k&index=1
What's everyone else's favorite recording of Schubert's 9th? I remember when I first got into classical loving Furtwangler's but that was years and years ago.
>>123349949Wand, but with NDR
>>123349949Furt's is actually not bad at all. I have a lot of favorites. Szell and Munch are both obvious choices, Leibowitz goes fast and blasts, Maderna is extremely autistic and stubborn, both of Mengelberg's are thrilling. Probably Leibowitz for me overall, though.
>>123350010This one? Added, thanks.>>123350013I've definitely be down to try a faster one after listening to this slower (but still nice) Wand recording. Are you the guy who uploaded your own fixed versions of Mengelberg's Schubert 8 and 9 the other day? I downloaded that, maybe that should be one I listen to next. Just added Leibowitz's with the RPO, thanks.
>>123349949furtwangler's schubert is so fucking contrived and unmelodic>>123350010what a turgid bore
>>123349949https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ein_BOXJuDw
>>123350169do hisstards seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzaQixVGoQgIs any piece of classical music funnier than this?
>>123350183What hiss?
>>123350169Thank you, added that recording, as well as a recording of Johann Strauss II's Waltzes by Knappertsbusch.
>>123350199the hiss that was sloppily low pass filtered out of this shitty mastering of a badly recorded live performance
>>123350189classical music shouldn't be funny
>>123350229Why not should it not explore all of human emotion?
>>123350228So there's no hiss. I accept your concession
>>123350255technologically illiterate retard moment
>>123350277No worries, I forgive you. Do you have those often?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XFdZEM5-5w&list=OLAK5uy_np14qFnMBa_kpCFNHkFmd-AG5WWjryRZ0&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_np14qFnMBa_kpCFNHkFmd-AG5WWjryRZ0
>>123350298you will never be forgiven for being a technologically illiterate out of touch boomer hisstard. no amount of deflection will change the fact that you don't know how noise reduction works.
>>123350332Alright, grandpa. Let's get you to bed
>>123350254boredom is human emotion, i don't need music that bores me to death either. I don't like funny people or people trying to be funny, i don't like music trying to be funny. just a personal preference
why are /classical/ posters so angry? this must be a fermenting circlejerk of at least 5 years
>>123350383stop referring to yourself in third person, geriatric. i don't give a shit how advanced your alzheimers is.
>>123350409it's one guy shitting up the general for 3 years and counting
>>123350409There's many kind, civil, and magnanimous posters here.
>>123350451so true wagnersister, simply true.
>>123350406A boring section might be interesting if used as a contrast for a more exciting section or in a program piece.
>>123350153Yes. I agree. Shallow and pedantic
>>123350559a great description for furtwangler's chore of a conducting style
>>123350559but enough about schlomosister
imagine being this mindbroken by a bunch of desert cultists with gross hair and stupid hats
>>123350409The music itself encourages anger “as the carefully prepared cadence is frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release.”
>>123351290incorrigible drivel written by a musically illiterate feminist
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky's "Serenade in C Major for Strings, Op. 48, TH 48":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6E8-odSOuE&list=OLAK5uy_l7oFNSbzskEHAdvi4gRHgqoGtZvn-zYKY&index=1Barber's "Adagio for Strings, Op. 11":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVgdjVj0dFg&list=OLAK5uy_l7oFNSbzskEHAdvi4gRHgqoGtZvn-zYKY&index=6Elgar's "Introduction & Allegro, Op. 47: Introduction - Moderato":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOfVWvr4iTc&list=OLAK5uy_l7oFNSbzskEHAdvi4gRHgqoGtZvn-zYKY&index=8Elgar's "Introduction & Allegro, Op. 47: Allegro":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncE9uBjaSQo&list=OLAK5uy_l7oFNSbzskEHAdvi4gRHgqoGtZvn-zYKY&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l7oFNSbzskEHAdvi4gRHgqoGtZvn-zYKYCan always count on the combination of Munch and the Boston Symphony Orchestra for a first-rate recording!
>>123345743"appreciating cute girls" means you're gay. Usually, straight man think of girls when they're horny and don't remember they exist the rest of the time.
>>123346165Any Mozart from 25 on.Any Beethoven from 3 on.Half of Haydn.Any Mahler in general.Any Bruckner from 4 on.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwjhioKAC7s
>>123346165>>123352964Hell I can 3 that were just Second Symphonies Ruth Gipp's number 2 Martinu's Number 2 Vaughn Williams number 2
>>123353772Not even the original anon but of all the 2's, only Mahler 2 is better. But I respect your opinion.
>>123353803You know I have gone my entire classical listening career without conciously hearing a single Mahler piece? I should probably rectify that situation.
now playingstart of Bach's "The Art of Fugue, BWV 1080":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_odmMKQoA&list=OLAK5uy_la5zCwtiVp5oNPoJC1p0EkJhjxUiCAxms&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_la5zCwtiVp5oNPoJC1p0EkJhjxUiCAxmsOne thing I really love about the open instrumentation of the Art of Fugue is I can enjoy it in whatever form I'm most into at the time. When I was listening to mostly piano music, it's there; mostly chamber music and string quartets, it's there; and now symphonies and orchestral music, and it's there!>>123353834Hope you try him out and enjoy! I love the first symphony if you're into going chronologically and it's a great way to enjoy and approach Mahler, otherwise the fourth is probably the most conventional and a masterpiece and thus also a great starting point.
>>123348733all of Xenakis orchestral works
>>123353908>XenakisThe most mediocre court musician's least important work is still more artistically valuable than all of Xenakis's entire ouvre.
npDidn't know Vaughan Williams' 8th was dedicated to Barbirolli, that's interesting.
>>123354014Xenakis or Arvo Part?
>>123354169gonorrhea or syphillis?
>>123354257A sneak preview:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWlceolQMGQ
>>123354309ah, i see you prefer the AIDS virus
Xenakishttps://youtu.be/5qQFfqSXpA0
>>123354458A classic shanty
>>123354458first thirty seconds is the THQ sound but not nearly as iconic, how do modernistsisters cope?
Let's post more Xenakishttps://youtu.be/Yu95HFDYkeY
>>123354549This is one of his more accessible workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5771zMOeEThere's actually a strange sensation created here almost like the the drums are chasing you
>>123348733All of Sorabji's works playing at the same time
>>123354608>>123354364
The musical scale is a convention which circumscribes the area of potentiality and permits construction within those limits in its own particular symmetry.IX
>>123354608sounds kino
>>123345354Hello guys. Rate my Wagner ripoffhttps://vocaroo.com/1ltOnW500kbC
>>123354974needs to be slower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYiboNocZq4&list=OLAK5uy_l2pL96owXxJ3wSvyEX9UyPhxmvmWTpJz0&index=4very good karajan
>>123354974vomit inducing>>123355116karajan’s beethoven sucks cock
>>123354974I hear lisztNice
>>123355116Yeah, early Karajan is pretty interesting. Generally the same ideas but he hadn't yet turned the orchestras into homogenous string soup just yet.
>>123348733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_a2pfwKjIY&t=78
>>123358010stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
>>123358037go to Hell.
>>123358072i’m not interested in joining you, chomo germ. you’ll suffer for all those kids you groomed.
>>123358087slanderous and moronic as always, TJ.
>>123358099pedophilic and child molesting as always, kiddydiddler kraut
>>123358195i hate the pedo kraut as much as the next guy, but doxing him seems a bit uncalled for, tranime sister.
>>123358238no, i'm not the pedo kraut, tranime sister.
Xenakis' "music" is almost as bad as Mahler's.
>>123358305i know you're not the tripfag but the more you protest about not liking something the more likely you're hiding something...
>>123358342more like MEHler, lol.
>>123358343>if you think the pedophile groomer tripfag should stop ban evading you actually want to fuck kids!tranime faggots never cease to embarrass themselves
>>123358377wash your dilator, TJ.
>>123358392put your trip back on, retarded pedophile kraut
>>123352946Your idea of a straight man is a insecure homosexual, like you
Best Bach organ trio sonata recordings that play them as actual trio sonatas?Also why are they so much better than Bachs other trio sonatas? Besides the one from the musical offering.
What is the best set of trio sonatas CPE bach wrote?
>>123358455>>123358816Speaking of trio sonatas, is there any actually good source that details the history and evolution to the form of trio sonatas and other baroque sonatas?
>>123359202I'm sure there is. You should look into it.
>>123358455>Bachs other trio sonatasYou mean the sonatas for flute & bc, violin & bc?
>>123359232I did, but i couldnt find shit, hence I ask. All i can find is explanations of sonata form with no info on the baroque sonata
>>123359257No, he also wrote trio sonatas, multiple ones.
>>123359386So just the two then...
>>123359661>they werent written by himWell that explains it.But why the fuck are they still BWV then?
>>123359672anime sexo
MozartXenakisJosquinThat's all I need.
>>123360980sounds like you need help, anon.
>>123360980>XenakisWhy do people like this fucking garbage >"oh it's based off of advan]ced mathematics"Who gives a shit if it's not beautiful?
>>123361093it's based off of mathematics used in a context where it doesn't belong. Music already has its own form of mathematics: harmonic counterpoint and set theory.
>>123359491The hypocrisy is the worst partAlso>Goldberg
>>123361035I know right? Imagine listening to Mozart!
>>123359491>a bunch of gross fat twitter addicts were pedophiles so you are too!holy fuck, tranime faggots really live in another universe>>123360980do RYMteens really
now playinghttps://youtu.be/xe8P71n8nLo?si=esJJHaKPZzuGPHzutime to see if this is as incredible a recording as everyone says>For those who want a quick review, here ya go… buy this CD. Right now. Get overnight shipping so you can get it faster.lol
>>123362456M1 is really a hard one to fuck up, there's probably dozens of fine recordings. I really wonder what would make any recording "incredible" at this point.
>>123359491no one but a pedophile would make this image
>>123362661no one but a pedophile would come up with a leap of logic as insane as trying to use other pedophiles to justify cartoon child pornography.
>>123362565This one is definitely a standout so far. I agree it's a hard one to do poorly, as, to me, it's mostly a lyrical symphony, and most do that part well but only a few recordings get the emotional layer on top of that for me. I also enjoy listening to unconventional, distinctive takes on it.
Sibeliushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0w0t4Qn6LY
>>123362301I didn't hear a denial Molester Sister
These Martinu symphonies are really great, thanks again to whomever recommended this recording to me.
>>123363182retarded pedophile moment
>>123363214A tacit admission of guilt
>>123363183they are not bad, but I have a really hard time keeping them apart, as they all sound kinda similar.
There's a Paganini but is there a Christianini?
I prefer Vaughan Williams concertos to his symphonies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtZMpUxPrQI&list=OLAK5uy_kFsqFeIk_6WqLp0sJ-rQ-lOqjJ34Uwsp8
>>123363262delusional pedophile trying to wish things into existence
>>123363183You're welcom Martinu is super slept on as composer.
>>123363357added that recording thanks
I prefer HIP tempos for Bach but would rather they play them on modern instrumentsSadly the collision of those two worlds seems to never happen
>>123363741coolI liked the first concerto, but the second one is a bit messythe other works are ok too
>>123363747Old meme recording but Cortot is quite zippy for a performance in the modern stylehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6IE5wlfSlM
Arvo Part Silentiumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHJ5qleyzyk
now playingstart of Bruckner's "Mass No. 3 in F Minor, WAB 28":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc03bygPtYk&list=OLAK5uy_khQwxvDOQVyCIHJRH8iWgR4De1xdRkKn4&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khQwxvDOQVyCIHJRH8iWgR4De1xdRkKn4
>>123363851you know, I thought the first three works were by Vaughan, but One and the second concert are by MacMillan, the conductorif anyone is looking for a recording of all concertos, there's this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpUOMWWRWhA&list=OLAK5uy_nvw7MJg_KFB1H0Qo2M-KNaZIc6a6dXtYI
>>123364635this is decent but Bruckner, I think the approach here is a little too light-handed, thin, and agile, more appropriate perhaps for a choral work from the baroque or classical era. I think it ought to sound more romantic, heavier, and slow, so i'm switching to this recording. I'd be interested to have anyone else listen to both (links I posted are both to the same Kyrie movement) and tell me which they prefer.now playingstart of Bruckner's "Mass No. 3 in F Minor, WAB 28":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaEXjuPGAlA&list=OLAK5uy_n0vmx572irdiSvIDytkXwxYEPOeOFA1SQ&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0vmx572irdiSvIDytkXwxYEPOeOFA1SQI like most of Colin Davis' recordings anyhow, and especially his ones of choral works have always been great-to-excellent to my ears.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYmV-zO5bGY&list=OLAK5uy_kRwON072R5-p6MIrXZQYaai_li7l-tt1Q&index=3
>>123364874Light and agile Bruckner was very common amongst its earliest conductors. The era of heavier Bruckner didn't really start until after WW2
now playing, time to begin my Stravinsky obsession?start of Jeu de Cartes, K. 059:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvzKrFsO1c&list=OLAK5uy_n_yai-Aoy2DTpSHTh7_epR9dcKxQyCAXI&index=2start of Orpheus, K. 076:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPBuHkZCdNE&list=OLAK5uy_n_yai-Aoy2DTpSHTh7_epR9dcKxQyCAXI&index=18start of The Soldier's Tale Suite:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfzSsil-3Us&list=OLAK5uy_n_yai-Aoy2DTpSHTh7_epR9dcKxQyCAXI&index=30https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n_yai-Aoy2DTpSHTh7_epR9dcKxQyCAXI>>123367187Interesting, is that closer to how Bruckner intended then? Maybe I should give that Herreweghe Mass 3 recording I also added a listen then, as I assume it's probably also in that vein if that's the case. Are there any available recordings of that style of his symphonies?
>>123367266The questions of Bruckner intentions insofar as conducting is concerned isn't really certain. He was extremely accepting of all interpretations.
>>123345354need some depressing recs
>>123367867Wozzeck
>>123367867https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=aHKD1vG_tA__u-IF
petzoldians, rise upits time for a new petzoldian era
>>123368213yeah, old /classical/ will rise againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsgq9Jj_B04
I really like the word 'perverse' as a derogatory adjective to describe an interpretation on a recording, it's a vivid and devastating criticism.
A regrettable use of time, I can't believe people actually like and even love this recording.
>>123368778I can't believe people like Mahler.
I'm finding myself actually really loving Karajan's Haydn symphonies (and his The Creation recording is first-rate too). Gonna check out Harnoncourt / RCO too but this is stellar. Is it weird to prefer like Haydn's symphonies more than Mozart's?
>>123368810more like MEHler.
>>123368890This just sounds so wonderful:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdR37-_pwfY&list=OLAK5uy_n7otFtEH5lkWNCdeqP08Y7_Sq-HPxSOx4&index=9
in love with Strauss' Ein Heldenleben currently, and I've read rave reviews about this recording, and have been pleased with all the Honeck I've heard thus farstart of Strauss' Symphonic Poem "Ein Heldenleben" Op.40:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raQe_h6YpBE&list=OLAK5uy_kgO23MY-YLmUfuJ_VB29IGzHZ7Y-mVfcE&index=5the recording also contains ostensibly the world premiere of one Michael Rusinek's Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra, here's the start of that:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG08d4_e-n4&list=OLAK5uy_kgO23MY-YLmUfuJ_VB29IGzHZ7Y-mVfcE&index=3and the recording is opened with Verdi's Overture - Opera "La forza del destino"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I75poz8Dhu0&list=OLAK5uy_kgO23MY-YLmUfuJ_VB29IGzHZ7Y-mVfcE&index=1Posting the links to the recording in reverse order of the pieces isn't what I meant to do initially lol, I was only gonna listen to the Strauss piece at first but Verdi's overtures are amazing and it feels like an injustice to just skip over the world premiere of a contemporary composer, so I'm gonna listen to the entire recording start to finish instead. Rusinek could be in this very thread so it'd be very rude to skip over his Concerto! Could be very good, let's see.
poorfag question:so, I want to begin learning the piano, but of course, I don't have money for an acoustic one, so I'll get a digital one instead. However, I also LOVE harpsichord and organ, and wanted to play some little pieces for these instruments.How do I get around this? Should I get a 1001 features keyboard? Does someone know a good digital piano that has at least harpsichord "function"? I think the accordion can simulate an organ pretty well, but I don't know.Money is a problem in this case, but if this can be resolved in less than $5000 I think it can be done. Please help me, anons
>>123368778extraordinarily perverse>>123369083just get an upright piano like a normal person you retard
>>123369083kill yourself.
>>123369083Just from briefly looking you can definitely get an acoustic piano for less than 5k. In fact several thousand less, so you can get the piano and spend the rest on heroin
>>123364734Listening through this, they're quite nice, you really get RVW's beautiful, sentimental trademark sound in a form that tends to have more immediacy in its structure than you get with his symphonies. Really excited to hear what the Bass Tuba Concerto sounds like too!
>>123369166>extraordinarily perverseThat obvious listening to that recording inspired the post right above it, huh. It is though, especially that godforsaken third movement, what the hell even is that
>>123369775it's barbirolli being a disgusting old geriatric angloid grunting and shitting all over the music.
Buxtehudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HniH1SDROHY&list=OLAK5uy_nlaHCTsT89ptAjQ-izKaVx7o2dLdisVYo&index=2
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwCr9cqVvxlZWNQuOxt_hT-rxerOlA_9U&si=w381OSmvhEIVmHHMVarese
>>123323881I've listened to the Karajan II like five times since your reply and I think I completely agree with you, those two are my favorite I'm come across, with most still being enjoyable.
>>123370364I've come across*Fuckin' been making typos in my posts all day.
The more I listen to Stravinsky, the more I think I absolutely love his ideas and themes and overall sound of his works, but his actual compositions and execution fall just a bit flat. Still fine-to-great, I just always find myself feeling "man, I should be enjoying this more than I do," loving his works more in the abstract and only liking them in the details.Or maybe it just hasn't clicked with me yet, I don't know. I just feel really drawn to his works but actually listening to them never lives up to it, I guess. Yes I'm aware I basically said the same thing three times in different ways. I'll keep trying though. Any recommendations for recordings of the Symphony in C and Symphony in Three Movements? Last one I listened to was MTT / SF and it's quite good, was gonna listen to it before or while going to sleep tonight but if anyone has a recording they'd like to recommend I'm all ears.
>>123370425Stravinsky couldn't develop a theme to save his life.
>>123370445I guess that might be where part of the execution falls flat for me. Here and there though, like in Petrushka, there are moments of incredible beauty and genius, but only a glimpse before it fades.
>>123370508Beethoven would be the opposite of Stravinsky. His motives are bland but out of those motives he develops masterpieces.
It seems interesting that given how the classical/art music tradition has always functioned, Stravinsky being contemporary enough to have conducted and recorded his own work isn't the final word of it, as it would be in any other music genre or tradition. I partly bring this up because I've always found it fascinating in itself, and also because I'm gonna give this a try and apparently Strav. hated Karajan's conducting of his music, which in this space is completely normal practice.
>>123370697Stravinsky wasn't the only one. Britten, Josef Suk, John Ireland and Ravel, among others, also have recordings of their own works. There also are conductors from the 19th century that recorded some works, like Thomas Beecham.
>>123370728Maybe it's because I only got into classical as an adult on my own as a casual listener, so it seems a little odd coming from the perspective of other musical traditions. Yes, yes, I know, 'pop standards' were always a thing, but that comes from the same folk/art music historical practice. I mean I get it, just kinda odd is all.
friendly reminder that haydn has a 70 minute long mass with a THIRTY (30) minute long gloria that no one knows anything about
>>123370728I guess the question is, did these composers with recordings of their own works feel they were definitive, or enjoy other interpretations, maybe even think they had surpassed their own?
Bach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e2jR3YwzckProbably the greatest recording ever
now playingstart of Mass in C Major - Missa Sancta Caeciliae (Missa cellensis) , Hob. XXV:5 (Jochum):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FkJnkd5cVQ&list=OLAK5uy_nhujsdv14xzB-7J2jS3tm_nC063NlT7kY&index=2start of Mass In C Major - Missa in tempore belli ("Paukenmesse") , Hob. XXII:9 (Kubelik):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VlOWxUdVNk&list=OLAK5uy_nhujsdv14xzB-7J2jS3tm_nC063NlT7kY&index=18start of Mass In B Flat Major - Missa brevis Sancti Joannis de Deo ("Kleine Orgelmesse") , Hob.XXII:7 (Schrems):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11_ZcEMdqew&list=OLAK5uy_nhujsdv14xzB-7J2jS3tm_nC063NlT7kY&index=25all orchestrated by Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, composed by Haydnhttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nhujsdv14xzB-7J2jS3tm_nC063NlT7kY
>>123370752>it seems a little odd coming from the perspective of other musical traditionsHow?I always thought it was a curiosity because anything before the 1950s feels so far away and removed from today, so the fact that there are records as old as that amuses me.
>>123371094I just meant in the sense of in the musical industry today, in non-classical, if you write and record something, your album/recording is the definitive one, as in we would just keep listening to Stravinsky's recording and that'd be that outside of some covers but those are recognized as novelties. This obviously isn't the case within the classical music tradition.
>>123370763everyone knows about it you retard.
>>123371202>retarded pedophile kraut proceeds to post about the wrong work anywaysLOL, put your stupid fucking trip back on, groomer germ
>>123371180>>123371094To be clear, I think it's awesome there's recordings of Stravinsky conducting his own work. I just mean, probably how I should have worded it, from the perspective of modern day non-classical musical traditions, it's weird *other conductors* are making their own recordings of it when his exists. But of course within the classical tradition, that's how the practice works.
>>123371301because he is a retarded pedophile who just likes spamming excerpts from music theory books he doesn’t understand
now playingstart of Bruckner's "Symphony No. 5 in B-Flat Major, WAB 105:" (Sawallisch):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIm2ybv7vJk&list=OLAK5uy_ncg4K8artQnXcPNA6lm1gAJRd0NhSbO9U&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ncg4K8artQnXcPNA6lm1gAJRd0NhSbO9U
>>123371680Personally, I don't like how diffuse this 5th is
>>123371680i really dislike this 5th too, i don’t see why hurwitz creams his pants over it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g22oKmx8LUMan this sounds weird in retrospect. It's not yet a sonata form concerto but it's also losing that ritornello form of a baroque concerto. It's a really interesting inbetween.Did CPE ever truly start writing in modern sonata form, or was it Haydn that properly made it into what we know it as now?
Best Mozart opera Soprano?
>>123370425It's easy to admire Stravinsky, but it's hard to love him.
>>123370763Mass compositions shouldn't be that long because then they can't be used during actual mass. It's basically senseless. 20 to 25 minutes of music is enough.
>>123373273mass compositions haven’t been used in actual mass since the 18th century, get over it.
>>123372537https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTbzyNNsXoUWhat instrument would be most accurate for his keybiard concertos? I think he did work with fortepianos
i want all mozart classic in a single zip high quality do anyone know where I can find it?
>>123373436https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=v9zgevzXvTMuBNeK
>>123373443you retarded shit
post your top 5 composers
>>123373355Most of CPE's works should be played on a foretpiano or a modern piano. Some people play his earliest stuff on a harpsichord though.He was a huge proponent of the fortepiano and he wrote quite a bit on how to play it
>>123374752erm ummKhachaturianNielsenTchaikovsky BrahmsRavel
>>123375061RTH
>>123373467https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=v9zgevzXvTMuBNeK
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pp2dWEYRzKY&list=PLC82C02554EEEB986&index=3&pp=iAQB8AUBBetter than classical. You may not like it but Nancarrow surpasses them all
>>123375171It's modern classical though
>>123375207not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead, tranime RYMteen
>>123375218Post a better classical composition with as much complexity, pro tip you cannot
>>123375278not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead, tranime RYMteen
>>123375171>>123375218>>123375283These aren't classical either, they reek of spam to me
>>123375301not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead, whiny faggot
>>123375278complexity ≠ quality
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZLG8KtjbFI
>>123374752NiggIvesGriegGonoudEriksenRachmaninoff
>>123375460Just because it's old, doesn't make it good either.https://youtube.com/watch?v=coXTFN8hbOo&pp=ygUeTW90b2kgU2FrdXJhYmEgc3RhbmRpbmcgb24gZW5k
>>123374752MOZART BACHBRAHMSJANACEKSTOCKHAUSEN
>>123374752MozartBachHaydnBeethovenWagner
>>123375207nothing underage-anime-girl posters enjoy can be classified as classical
>When I am already lying in bed, I hear him talking volubly and loudly; I get up and go into his room. “I was talking to you,” he says, and embraces me tenderly and long. “Once in 5,000 years it succeeds!” “I was talking about Undine, the being who longed for a soul.” He goes to the piano, plays the mournful theme “Rheingold, Rheingold,” continues with “False and base all those who dwell up above.” “Extraordinary that I saw this so clearly at that time!” — And as he is lying in bed, he says, “I teel loving toward them, these subservient creatures of the deep with all their yearning.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQIGvGiJmA
>>123376729Under the seaUnder the seaDarling it's betterDown where it's wetterTake it from meUp on the shore they work all dayOut in the sun they slave awayWhile we devotin'Full time to floatin'Under the sea
>>123376067Better RYM than a p/r/edittor like yourself, Pedophile TrannyJanny
>>123374752RachmaninoffChopinBrahmsSchumannBeethoven
>>123375823Pretty gay post anon. America is about freedom, freedom and freedom not wanting daddy dictator to come dominate you. You need to be worthy of the freedom true
>>123375720Grieg recs please?Also favorite Rach piece(s)? For me it's the 2nd symphony(and concertos obviously...)
>>123376857>America is about freedom, freedom and freedom not wanting daddy dictator to come dominate youYeah because you like having hundreds if not thousands of bureaucrats (or as I call them little dictators) dominating you. A thousands cocks are always better than a single cock, least on paper.
>>12337672If there is anything to learn from Rhinemaidens is that I am all in for public women nudity. Let their bodies be exposed bare for the perverts to glare at!
>>123376958>A thousands cocks are always better than a single cock, least on paper.Kek you said it, fag
>>123377023t. alberich
now playingstart of Khachaturian's "Gayane Suites 1-3" (Anichanov):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VI-wH_v-dY&list=OLAK5uy_ntS5qk6-nAVkYtFnxOtRmQDHjaWxusqPk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntS5qk6-nAVkYtFnxOtRmQDHjaWxusqPk
>>123371804>>123371812Harnoncourt's recording is probably my current favorite.
>>123376923>Grieg recs pleaseHolberg suiteLyric pieces
Now Playing - Strauss: Hornkonzerte No. 1 & 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aD1ipZuBrI&list=OLAK5uy_nPLW47aH6x_cmAbFDRUpJ71L7ddHfOSC8&index=3
>>123374752ByrdSweelinckSchützHasseC. H. Graun
>>123376782no one asked, obsessed concern troll>>123375901>>123376857>>123376958>>123377065not /classical/, try >>>/pol/ instead
Probably a silly blogpost but upped by medication dose via the doctor and one of the side effects appears to be improving my attention span, so now I'm finally able to listen to music with complete focus and my undivided attention; basically, without having to, say, do some mindless internet browsing while having the music on. So many details and compositional design I was never able to notice before, it's great.
>>123377856Don't care, I gave you my opinion unprompted and you'll like it sex offender janny.
>>123377023All those perverts with their degenerate naked lady fetish
>>123378132no one asked, obsessed concern troll
>listen to symphony>movement evokes emotions of triumph, happiness, optimism>read about work online afterward>movement was satirical/ironic/sardonicmakes me feel like an idiot everytime
>>123378168You were answered none the less.
>>123378191What piece(s) did this happen for ?
>>123374862Any good fortepiano recordings of his concertos? The only good piano anything recording I can find of his works is the Hännsler collection with the laughably horrid covers. I actually like the trevor pinnock recording for the bigger orchestra. Is there any recording that has fortepiano + decent size orchestra?
>>123378314I think you'll struggle to find one with forty pianos in it
>>123378307It's happened a few times, like with Shostakovich 5 (I believe) in the past, but for this occurrence:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Qlk4mrSWQ&list=OLAK5uy_lxcakOljvDdRQ7qjl0t7Wulyfap1W7pxY&index=2
>>123378284no one asked, obsessed concern troll>>123378368i've never read anything about the second movement of the 10th being sarcastic.
>>123378368shostakovich is fucking gay anyways
>>123378656just like Mehler
>>123378632The exact wording was 'forced happiness,' so I was trying to cover any form of insincerity:>Cast in five movements the Tenth Symphony, even in the state it was left by Mahler, emerges with an extraordinary sense of structural balance. More so than that of the Ninth. Two Adagios frame two Scherzos, which themselves frame a strange, tiny, achingly descriptive intermezzo marked "Purgatorio" at the very centre. We walk with death-haunted nostalgia in the first movement. Then through rather forced happiness in the second movement. On to Purgatorial unease in the third and tragic bitterness in the Fourth movement. At last we arrive at a series of "death knell" drum strokes ushering in the remarkable last movement. Here the work's darker elements are reviewed and explored until terror from the first movement is recalled before serenity and heart's ease is won at last.https://www.musicweb-international.com/Mahler/Mahler10.htmThis a great site and resource I've been perusing lately, though I'm sure you're already aware of all this stuff so it's probably not as interesting for you.
>>123378722>Tony DugganI read his Mahler stuff back when I was first starting classical. I did think much of what he had to say was insightful back then, but he's very guilty of projection of pseudo-biographical elements onto Mahler's music.
>>123378722seems like projection to me. mahler did write very personal comments into the score, but they mostly apply to the 3rd, 4th and 5th movements. nothing he actually wrote about the 2nd implies that it is forced or farcical in any way.
>>123378722also, musicweb are one of the flagbearers for the boomer hisstard school of conducting; for mahler, they're part of the reason genuine dogshit conductors like horenstein and barbirolli have the reputation among talkclassical boomers that they have today. the only reviews of theirs that i think are worth referencing are ralph moore's opera surveys. https://musicwebinternational.com/ralph-moores-surveys/
>>123378932>>123378997It's funny you guys say that because the paragraphs continues, after a quote from Cooke:>So the Tenth Symphony gives us a further chapter in the autobiographical "novel" in music that was Mahler' life's work. What is being mapped in this work is Mahler's own state of mind. Especially under the pressure in 1910 from his tempestuous marriage which, at that particular time, was under the greatest strain of its short life. Exclamations of his torments litter the score's pages.lolI'm still not the best at emotionally or thematically analyzing classical/art music yet, so admittedly at the present I kinda just take whatever I read from whomever regarding that as a more qualified and therefore accurate reading than whatever thoughts I may have on the matter, if I have any at all besides 'this sounds good' lol.>>123379080I'll keep that in mind. Part of the reason I listened to the Barbirolli M5 yesterday was because his page on that work included it and praised it to the high heavens, so figured it was time I finally tried it. About half of the recordings he suggests are legitimately good though, or at least align with my tastes, and again as I said above, similar to that other anon's experience, I'm currently finding his analysis and takes on the works themselves very insightful.
>>123379080Maybe it's just very, very slow so I should let it sit for a while but I can't get any of those links to load, sadly.
>>123379080>>123379210Any of the .pdf ones*
>>123379127i'm not saying that all the recordings duggan recommends are bad, but he's especially fond of some particular stinkers for who knows what reason. i wouldn't take his word at face value.
Skrowaczewski's Bruckner 5 is just right, so good. I think his cycle might be my favorite.
>>123379080I like their picks for opera recordings because they give options between old/mono/live/stereo.
>>123379315yes, that's exactly what i just posted.
>>123379080Moore is OK. He's a bit too much of a Karajan simp (to the point of recommending him in his laughably awful Missa Solemnis recording), but he at least has a half decent grasp of historical context for opera, which is quite important in that genre. A lot of these guys were old Amazon reviewers that transitioned to other platforms after Amazon became a pretty hostile place for user reviews.
>>123379356yeah, i don't think moore is the gold standard of opera recommendations, but he generally gives good recommendations more often than not; certainly more often than duggan and his horenstein worship.
>>123379399A lot of old British critics have fond memories of Horenstein because he was "the guy" that made Mahler popular in Britain. He had a slew of concerts in the late 50s / early 60s, did interviews with Cooke, etc. Duggan was British, and he was a former Gramophone critic as well.Horenstein was not a bad conductor, but his approach to music, i.e. a generally rigid, "structural" approach to tempo, was basically the antithesis of good Mahler conducting.
Horenstein https://youtu.be/Gv690IezMCs?si=7E-I0nHDH_0IZ9C5
>>123379462why is it that so much unwarranted reverence of bad conducting stems from the british and gramophone? truly an irredeemable bunch. >>123379661an idiot talking about music he doesn’t understand
>>123379696It's actually a fairly interesting talk for historical context. I especially like his comments on Bartok as a Hungarian Webern personality wise (basically calling him autistic)
>>123379696Tranny Janny's awful opinons are not needed
>>123379707i don't see why webern holds the trademark to autism (nevermind an autistic communist pedophile)
>>123379734no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123379754No reply needed TJ
>>123379797no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123369083How are you poor if you can splash out 5k on a piano?>>123379804>replies anyway
>>123379820no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
from the heart! np
>>123379829I've heard others say the same Granny Tranny
>>123379852more like a fart from bernstein's loose asshole
>>123379859no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123379869Really? Interesting
>>123379874no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123379862Give in to the conducting prowess of the Maestro. But in seriousness, I find I like his recordings more often than not, and often times his are among the best if not the best, so about time I gave his Beethoven a try starting with the Missa, the symphonies soon to follow.
>>123379880Thank you Tranny Janny
>>123379891when are bernstein’s recordings the best? certainly not in beethoven or mahler. >>123379902no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123379909Schumann
>>123379933sawallisch is better.
>>123379909Brahms, Janny tranny
>>123379951no one believes this, not even you, obsessed angloid concern troll
new>>123379965>>123379965>>123379965
>>123379960Didn't ask Trannis Jannis
>>123380016no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380028>still responding with nonsense in a dead thread
>>123380062no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380071>spamming tranny janitor
>>123380119no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380130Ok TY TJ
>>123380158no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380171Thank You Tranjan
>>123380216no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380230My point exactly TrannyJanny
no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380245no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
Thank u TJ
>>123380301no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380316Thank you trannyjanny
>>123380341no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380358thank you trannyjanny
>>123380399no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380443A welcome response tranjan
>>123380465no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380471An intriguing post trannyjanny
>>123380655no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380659An important point TJ
>>123380782no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123380862An excellent response tj
>>123381157no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
>>123381510Thank you Janny
>>123382001no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll
