Haydn Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYvjr86_aJYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdw9wac4qlU>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious Thread: >>123379965
Favorite recording(s) of The Creation? Been really liking Kubelik's lately, might try Jochum's with the same orchestra tonight.
Is that 'warmer' sound present in some recordings more than others a result of just production and recording methods and choices and tools, or actually something that's created and amplified by the orchestra performance?
>>123397560>>123397833Neat thanks. Chailly's recordings, at least the ones embedded in my memory, always seem to characteristically have no warmth at all, so I constantly wondered "it doesn't make sense he just has the most expensive production everytime" lol.
>>123397945that’s because of the tone of the orchestra (both the concertgebouw and the gewandhaus are kind of lean sounding orchestras) is not warm, and because modern digital recording has never been known for its warmth of tone.
>>123398053Ah, well good to know it's at least partially an artistic choice. Not that I necessarily prefer one way or the other, but it certainly adds character and another aesthetic dimension knowing it's a deliberate choice and not merely an artifact of the production of the times.
>>123398171Lots and lots of posts were deleted, which your post just made me notice the other post actually went back under the bump limit because of the deletions so is back to getting bumped to the top of the board on the front page!? Good lord...
>>123398193the schizophrenic tranime pedophile is ban evading over and over to spam more posts that get him banned over and over. rangeban cant come soon enough.
lol, the pedophile is still going
>>123398327Ain't me, man. I was about to have breakfast and coffee. No clue whats going on, can someone give qrd?
>grabs popcorn.
>>123398362no worries, we know you’re a different tranime pedophile. >>123398367>>123398379>>123398403we get it, you jerk off to cartoon child porn. >>123398411stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
>>123398362kek you're a fine poster but I can't help but laugh you thought he was referring to you, but I guess you missed the whole context of the thing.
>>123398441easily disproven by the fact that you incessantly defend pedophile cartoons
>>123398379Who cares, though? This has jack shit to do with Classical. It's just seething about countries I don't care about and shitting up the thread because you think another shitposting retard might be Chinese. Taiwanese are the asian poles I swear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4oPkiOwq28
>>123398362And just the same ol' sisteranon getting someone so butthurt they try to out last word them, except this schizo thinks sisteranon is Chinese, hence the basis of his current 'attacks.'
>>123398436Well, I tend to be the only one with that nickname.
>>123398465Next time I want to do a full listen through of Bach's cantatas I should do it with Rilling's set, so nice and lovely. Only other times I've come close to that was with Suzuki's and Richter's.
>>123398484>>123398491You're in a classical thread
>>123398465you don’t understand, tranime avatarpedo. he’s willing to say anything and everything to hide the fact that he’s a kiddy diddler who whacks it to pedophile cartoons. >>123398484point proven
>>123398523cool, i don’t care and you’re still a pedophile lol
>>123398498I like that he performs 3 part arias like Trio Sonatas with a singer. I see them performed in every way but that in other collections.
>>123398545I didnt need to see that
>>123398545ok, and? you’re still a pedophile.
>>123398573i don’t see how this has any relation to you being a tranny pedophile, or classical music for the matter.
now playingstart of Bruckner's "Symphony No. 8 in C minor":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5E2NZTyFWs&list=OLAK5uy_msw7Vmohttcrg28IXpTNL7XjnDL_w4WAE&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_msw7Vmohttcrg28IXpTNL7XjnDL_w4WAEMaybe I just have poor memory when it comes to Bruckner's symphonies, but I feel more than any other composer's music, recordings by different conductor's aka distinct interpretations really change the sound of the work. Sometimes I'll listen to one recording of a symphony, and then another a couple days later and I'll think "wait this is really the same one I listened to the other day?" Or I'm just not paying attention to the editions being performed, lol.
>>123398573"I didnt need to see that" means "that's horrid, stop posting images like that", not " i dont care about cats dying" you fucking downie
>>123398601funny, that’s how normal people feel about pedophiles like you!
>>123398631i’m not japanese though?
>sisterjanny refuses to delete the posts as soon as they appear, lest it outs him as a jannyHope you get a -1 pay reduction, so you need to pay to remain a janny
>>123398644lolol
>>123398643what does this have to do with you being a pedophile?>>123398644trust me, i wish i was a tranny janny right about now. i don’t know where the lazy faggot who was deleting all his posts half an hour ago went.>>123398655sure, the chinese can be pedophiles with the japanese and you. i don’t care.
>Jannies when someone spams the thread for hours in response to one spamming it for years:|>Jannies when someone posts a new thread 1 post before bump limit>:^<
actually switching to thisI see Eschenbach also has one from a 2005 live performance with the LPO, hmm. One of the Amazon reviews said they sound pretty close to the same approach, and although they say the LPO does slightly better, Hurwitz gave this Houston one a 10 / 10 so I suppose I'll go with this one for now.
>>123398711i haven’t heard this brand of schizophrenia before, tell me more about it.
>>123398730Well you do have a very bot like nature to your posts
>>123398744it comes with the repetition, although you frankly don’t need chatgpt to accomplish something that simple.
>>123398744I think the point was more it was a bizarre post to choose to make that claim about
>>123398769sounds like something a pedophile porn addict would complain about
>>123398810Thats how I know you're ESL. "Sissy" as a term has been co opted by faggots for ages
>>123398810no need for pay, i make fun of pedophiles pro bono.
>>123398846I am not the chink, just budged im to say that. Either way arent there other sites for you asians to argue?
>>123398898i honestly don’t know why he started this china tangent, i always associated “lil bro” with zoomers more than any race.
Finally, it's getting deleted.Relevant Corohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei0Ic29r5Lg
>>123398933Very nice. Have you heard his Mass in B minor? I might listen to that tonight as I try and get tired and fall asleep.
>>123398933>>123398999Jesus there seems to be three different versions/recordings, one with CBS, one with hanssler, and one with Profil. I guess I'll pick the hanssler one since that's the one his cantatas are on too, so probably the best bet.
>>123398999Yes, but it's not that special to me. My favorite Mass in B Minor recordings are Richter and Rifkin.
Any late baroque/early classical sonatas for basso continuo that are in sonata form?
>>123399543Curious about this too
>>123399543It really depends on how strictly you cling to sonata form 'rules', which was a 19th-century invention anyway.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urLmzJVT4qc&list=OLAK5uy_kx8ImTJRnEMNMlXKV0viuLXVThfU5uiWI&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kx8ImTJRnEMNMlXKV0viuLXVThfU5uiWI
>>123399663Sonata form in the way Mozart would have written it
npAs a Nietzsche fanatic, this Langgaard piece is not bad. Hopefully the Strauss Alpine Symphony is good, I have faith in this conductor and orchestra duo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uVurN7T_iM&list=OLAK5uy_k49JN3Wnnczm3eORAPspzGFv8OHPqEjXY&index=1
>>123399894>As a Nietzsche fanaticHow is that working out for you? ;)
>>123399894>As a Nietzsche fanaticAs in the "Wagner is garbage" type, or the "Wagner and Nietzsche were going in the same direction" type?
>>123399894>>123400010according to Spengler, Nietzsche rejected Wagnerian philosophy in favor of Darwinism. It is a common misconception to place both Nietzsche and Wagner into the same bucket since both Wagner and Schopenhauer believe the denial of the will to life is good whereas Nietzsche believes the opposite (survival of the fittest, will to power, etc.). PS: Nietzsche was a failed artist and for this reason his opinions relating to it should be discarded.
In Wagner’s essays (Art and Revolution, The Artwork of the Future) he coins the term ‘Gesamtkunstwerk’ meaning all-encompassing art form or synthesis of the arts. He sought to unify all works of art via the theatre. Does this mean then that Wagner would’ve became a filmmaker if he lived today?
>>123400557yes, most likely. Wagner was the James Cameron of the late 19th century.
>>123400465
Favourite live performances?https://youtu.be/zY4w4_W30aQ?t=2690
>>123400465Not entirely correct. Spengler claims Wagner was an apostle of Darwinism before ever reading Darwin, and that this was the Wagner that Nietzsche followed. Also, Wagner never completely embraced Schopenhauer's denial of the will, as he initially transformed it into an affirmation in Tristan und Isolde, and always preserved a sense of the value of the will-to-life with his heroic characters. Did Wagner reject the Ring and Tristan? No, he was a multifaceted artist, and the ascetic Parsifal just represents one aspect of his personality. It is wrong to lump Wagner into the same bucket as Nietzsche as it is to lump him in with Schopenhauer; he is transitional and belongs to both.
what the fuck happened?autism overdose?
>>123402693>what the fuck happened?Wagner.
https://vocaroo.com/1iEZ69N11xOWhttps://vocaroo.com/199HS903Ky5Hhttps://vocaroo.com/19uH7ALASdLH
>>123402731That was a long, long time ago...
Wagner.... he is trying to control my mind..
Hassehttps://youtu.be/ZaudeHLcebc?si=U8bWRNyPKCJlAS_H
>>123402907Everything leading up to this point was Wagner's fault. You can say that Wagner created this timeline. He planted thoughts inside the mind of Hitler who then messed the functioning of the world. The British could have kept everything under control with their proper application of sword and order. Rhodesia, India, China... everything is a shithole now... with the fall of the British came the fall of the world. If the Germans never messed around, the British Empire would be alive and well right now.
>>123403672>t.>https://vocaroo.com/1iEZ69N11xOW
>>123403723not clicking on your virus, pedophile kraut. put your trip back on.
>>123403734>t. https://vocaroo.com/19uH7ALASdLH
>>123400557>>123400607No, you are retarded. Theatre and cinema are worlds apart, and cinema isn't even an artform.
>>123403747not clicking on your virus, groomer germ. put your trip back on.
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>>123403771Can you substantiate that?
>>123403860>>Beethoven’s fart>>Beethoven’s fart>>Beethoven’s fart, Beethoven’s fart, Beethoven’s fart>>Beethoven’s fart, Beethoven’s fart, Beethoven’s fart>>Beethoven’s fart, Beethoven’s fart, Beethoven’s fart, fart, sniiifffffff>>Beethoven’s sniiifffffff
dis nigga wagner luks reall fukkin classyou kno wt im sayin fuk em nikkas up
>>123403782>>123403734lmao get a load of this retarded newfag. he thinks vocaroo is a virus. go back to plebbit, chuddie.
Tearin' up the placeI'm a rich nigga, got Chanel on my waistRun up on me playin', I'ma aim it at ya faceAnd that go for anybody, anyway, ayyI'm a rich Blood, by the wayAnd I'm havin' swag, Rollie old like a tape (woop!)Fish scale, yeah, I got these bitches on the baitDon't wanna talk, man, no'n to say, I need some spaceWoop, woop, woop! My new car geeked upI just paid the cop, now I'm runnin' out o' court (ooh)Panoramic top, I'ma put it on the rocks (ooh)Crawl, walk and hop, got all o' these bitches shocked (ayy, hey!)Hey! Stone molly whiter than my socks (on)I don't wanna talk if it ain't 'bout guap (chrome)Clone a young nigga and still flop (woop!)I got pints by the two, no Pac
>>123403927i think you're projecting. also off-topic posting is a bannable offense. discuss some classical music, retard.
>>123403942it’s just good practice when dealing with a known child groomer. why take unnecessary risks and unknowingly click on a virus or some CP he pulled from his stash? >>123403958no one asked, obsessed angloid concern troll>>123403860>>123403888https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=knRIrsKlhAhccTex
/classical/ has become a psychiatric hospital
>>123404237always was. only the most insufferable midwits actually listen to classical to the point where they feel the need to discuss it with other people.
Anyway!!
Eclectic as fuck
>>123404272It wasn't always this bad
>>123401687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyFoWYNrBvo
>>123405341 I should check this out.
>>123401687Knappertsbusch '62 Parsifal
>>123405359It's not boring, that's for sure. Quite tuneful too.
What's your guy's favorite video recording of Wagner's Ring Cycle?
let's try...very fast first movement at 15:52, hot damn!
>>123405522Boulez's is the only good one, despite the meme production.>>123405560It's actually a pretty decent 4th but Sunhae Im ruins it. God awful singing.
>>123405577>It's actually a pretty decent 4th but Sunhae Im ruins it. God awful singing.spoilers! but ah damn we'll see. I've heard the 5th is his worst of the bunch so far (but still good) so saving that one for last.
Rachmaninoff.
now playing, Martinu's Symphony no. 6 "Fantaisies Symphoniques":first movement on a playlist:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO1ljb9SlMQ&list=OLAK5uy_lHBzSQfkpXtAWKW3QpoERaQLy_IhgfYQE&index=19Which is supposed to be his best, certainly is his most notable and acclaimed
>>123399894btw if you're a fan of Wagner and/or Strauss you'll def like this. From what I read, Langgaard's two biggest influences on his music are Strauss and Nielsen, a potent combination for sure.
>>123406280Didn't Langgaard resent Nielsen and his prominence in Danish music? Pretty sure this was written to parody Nielsen:https://youtu.be/ASBXuz1zvRg
>>123406373Possibly, that's the first and only thing I've ever listened to by Langgaard and I hadn't heard of him before finding that recording, so I can't really say, I was going off of the Amazon review on that recording which delves into Langgaard's piece quite a bit.> Both Richard Strauss, whose Alpine Symphony, written in 1915, was a musical gloss on Nietzsche's work, following the similar Also Sprach Zarathustra of 1898, and Rued Langgaard, whose opera Antichrist was written in 1920-21, built their works on the idea of a more elemental life force, though Langgaard's own connection to the Antichrist was as much a musical attraction to Richard Strauss and Carl Nielsen as it was a philosophical one to Nietzsche.[...]>Both works are completely, ravishingly, beautiful, and ravishingly played by the great Seattle Symphony under Thomas Dausgaard. Elemental life forces are as well portrayed by the great orchestral works of Richard Strauss as they are by anyone or anything. Meanwhile, Rued Langgaard's strikingly original music, forged between his twin influences of Strauss and Nielsen, creates music of enormous power and beauty.Certainly could be incorrect, or both true.
going through another unfamiliar Brahms cycle, always exciting! Especially because I'm a big fan of a handful of other Sanderling recordings I've heard.start of Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgvKCGfAMLk&list=OLAK5uy_lEytaufbaOIVwKom2sJFzv9Meia6JPOOs&index=2start of Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 73:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn23dBnA9vg&list=OLAK5uy_lEytaufbaOIVwKom2sJFzv9Meia6JPOOs&index=7start of Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG5SqB5vR5o&list=OLAK5uy_lEytaufbaOIVwKom2sJFzv9Meia6JPOOs&index=12start of Symphony No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 98:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v48ou3FeDjk&list=OLAK5uy_lEytaufbaOIVwKom2sJFzv9Meia6JPOOs&index=14
On that note, favorite/recommended/best recordings of Brahms' Haydn Variations? I've never been a fan of it before and always kinda brushed it off and put it aside because I'm not really into the variations form in general, but I wanna give it a serious listen this time around.
>>123407033i like monteux
>>123407151ty. gonna try this one first but that later/next time. the recording i saw also includes some actual Haydn symphonies so that's dope
Now listening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV4VCxp1xsQ
No blacks allowed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2uZ1q2AvRoI can swear I know this soundtrack is a rearrangement of a classical one, but can't find it.
>>123407972https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=_20B-vTlihIBhavC
>>123407995bed.NOW.
>>123408080https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=_20B-vTlihIBhavC
Now listening to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYi4JgQA2I
Aquarium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFpZ5MZ7kk
>A good, if not remarkable performance. My problem is with the recording. Yes, I know Telarc has always been highly regarded, and the recording is very clean sounding. But it's got that typical modern digital sound; flat and two-dimensional. The more remastered analog recordings I hear from that golden era of 1955-1965 (Mercury, RCA, Decca), the more I realize just how lifeless and flat modern digital recordings are. It's a shame, really.sounds familiar!
>>123409201real as fuck, he gets it. fuck modern digital recordings.
>>123409323People just lost valuable institutional knowledge in the production side of the industry or what happened? Do these modern day producers believe it does in fact sound better this way?
>>123409357old analog gear was designed back when objective approaches to audio equipment design did not exist. engineers essentially had to rely on their ears to tell them what sounded best instead of aiming for the best possible paper specifications. now that audio science has dissected everything you could ever wish to know about frequency response and SND ratios down to a science, none of these lazy bastards give enough of a shit to sit down and really think about whether or not the amplifier/A/D converter/preamp/whatever they’re designing even sounds good to begin with. for the supposed audiophile labels like channel classics or reference recordings, modern day audiophiles are all deaf boomers that prioritize “detail” over pretty much everything else, even at the expense of dynamics or liveliness or timbral correctness, so the labels accommodate their target market.
>>123409395Damn, makes sense, thanks for the answer.
>>123409414for a lot of audiophile oriented labels like the above or BIS or telarc or tacet or what have you, they often list the equipment used in the recording in the liner notes of the release. most of the time, they’re using some RME dogshit A/D that castrates pretty much anything you put through it, and they’re monitoring it on some laser bright etched B&W 800 series bullshit or something similarly bright and stiff. it’s a fucking disaster; the major labels under UMG/WMG/SMG probably use the cheapest focusrite shit they could buy in bulk for cost cutting measures.
>>123397452Karajan, HengelbrockKarajan is a bit stodgy but has the best singers by farHengelbrock is more idiomatic but is also HIP. Tastefully so though
The more I listen to Haydn the more I realize how much of a genius he was. I dunno why I slept on him for so long
>>123409982the literal founding father of the entire classical era was a genius? ain’t no way
>>123410056i don’t know, maybe we should try talking about classical music
>>123409468Damn you guys pay that much attention to the details, huh? I suppose I get it.>>123409494I do really like Karajan's. I'll check out Hengelbrock, thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kha18Lruiuw&list=OLAK5uy_mMVm1I2rSNZpJDd6busbyrQYxtG4hXZ4M117 year old singing i kneel...
tonight's plan: Solti's Strauss set into his Mahler 8 to punctuate the night with a heavenly exclamation point :)
>>123397369What is some early classical that would make me feel like I'm in a medieval anime?
>>123411191https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=IjIuRnfx3kKabJ2b
>>123411191https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8loZ48iYUWQ
>>123409395You sound like a Steve Hoffman forums boomer lol
>>123412514steve hoffman boomers wouldn't know good sound if it smacked them over the head.
>>123410591solti is gay as hell
>>123412846I know that's why I said you sound like them
Why is Brunnhilde's awakening never played as an excerpt from the Ring?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoYkK6T-lGk
>>123414504it is though.
>>123414515Link? All I see is the usual like Entrance of the Gods, Wintersturme, Magic Fire, Dawn and Rhine Journey, Siegfried's Death, etc. Sometimes rarer stuff like Siegfried forging the sword, but never Brunnhilde's awakening.
>>123411214Beethoven's 5th sounds bad enough with regular instruments there's no need for this
Was Wagner into BBC?
>>123414654The BBC was into Wagner:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPBxXaGnCgU
What's your favourite recording of the 9th?https://youtu.be/yh3NvJjRsek?si=FHumWKFUm6ubHGX9
Anyone else think that Ysaÿe invokes the anime feeling at times? III. Danse des Ombres sounds very anime to my ear. Was he the proto-anime OST?
>>123415315https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhlTTo6ecccforgot link. Also the player is Japanese so that might be part of why it sounds so anime.
>>123411191They didn’t have anime in the Middle Ages
>>123415319sato (violin) is all over inside and out around and about over and again the netherlands bach society
>>123414042I love Solti but his Strauss isn't the best imo. Still love that Mahler 8 of his though.
Is this the best recording of Bartok's violin sonatas?
>Bernstein only performed one Bruckner symphony in his career - the>Ninth, though he performed that frequently, and recorded it twice (once>with New York and once, later, with Vienna Phil). He did not care for the>other Bruckner symphonies. I had the privilege of working with Bernstein>over a period of about ten years, and touring with him and the New York>Philharmonic in Japan in 1979. One night after a concert, and after he>had signed autographs, I asked him why he didn't do other Bruckner besides>the Ninth - particularly the Eighth, which I thought would be magnificent>in his hands. He made a face and told me that it was a terrible piece -->too long, too many "false climaxes", etc. I argued with him, and he>proceeded to drag me over to a piano (this was about 11:00PM or so), and>play through the entire symphony (though he didn't take the Scherzo>repeat), commenting along the way on what he found wrong with it. What I>find most remarkable about this, if you think about it, is that he didn't>like this piece, never conducted it, yet knew it well enough to pull it>out of his head and play through all of it at the piano, not having been>prepared to do so at all! He was one of a kindinteresting story i came across while deciding to listen to Bernstein's Bruckner 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq7g_NRKHU0&t=3971sMy eyes were truly blind, British opera is vastly superior to anything.
>>123417850bernstein was undoubtedly a great pianist and an excellent musician, he was just a fucking dogshit interpreter and also a gay pedophile jew.
>>123417939stop being homophobic chud
Liszt travels to Wagner's castle, where he observes a secret ritual portraying a devilish Jew raping several blonde-haired Germanic nymphs. Wagner then appears with Cosima, dressed in Superman outfits, and sings how "the flowering youth of Germany was raped by 'the beast'" and that a "new messiah" will soon arrive to drive out the beast. At the conclusion of the song, Cosima marches the audience, composed entirely of children, out with a Nazi salute as they chant that they "will be the master race".
>>123417957>To all we know about Leonard Bernstein, add this: Not only did the “West Side Story” composer kiss everyone on the lips, but he used his tongue, too — even on his daughter.>“It was a kind of litmus test he liked to spring on people,” writes Jamie Bernstein, the most vocal and (one suspects) most French-kissed of the late maestro’s three children. “My dismay was tempered by knowing he did it to so many others. The intrusion of Daddy’s tongue was an occasion less for revulsion and more for weary eye-rolling.”
>>123417990Liszt confronts Wagner, who is unaware of what Liszt has seen, and inquires about his ambitions. Wagner confesses that he has been building a mechanical Viking Siegfried to rid the country of Jews. When Wagner awakens Siegfried with his music, the creature turns out to be crass and slow-witted. Liszt sneaks holy water into Wagner's drink, but the water has no effect. Wagner then reveals himself to Liszt as a vampire and threatens to steal his music so that Wagner's Viking can live. Liszt rushes to the piano and plays music, exorcising Wagner and bringing him to near death. Cosima, witnessing Wagner's moribund state, imprisons Liszt and then resurrects Wagner in a Nazi ceremony as a Frankenstein-Hitler wielding a machine-gun guitar. Trapped, Liszt observes as Cosima leads the Wagner-Hitler to gun down the town's Jews, after which she kills Liszt by stabbing a needle through the heart of a voodoo doll made in his likeness.
>>123418016In heaven, Liszt is reunited with the women he has romanced in his life and Cosima, but it never is explained how she got there after killing Liszt, who regret their behaviour toward him and each other and finally live in harmony. In the final episode, Liszt and the women decide to fly to Earth in a spaceship to destroy Wagner-Hitler who has now ravaged Berlin in a fiery machine-gun frenzy. Once Wagner-Hitler is destroyed, Liszt sings that he has found "peace at last".
>>123417990Is that Lisztomania with Roger Daltery?
>>123417850I went with this one
Holsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPsn2jNGZsw
Bernstein was at his best as a lecturer. His talks on music and his charisma were a gateway for many young Americans into the classical world. We don't really have anyone that can do that these days
>>123418127what, you don’t think michael tilson “negative charisma” thomas is a good replacement?
>>123418207What part of no response necessary don’t you understand?
np
>>123418236what part of start talking about classical music don’t you understand?
>>123418254Also is there some sort of connection between Mahler and Klimt? I see his art used as album covers for Mahler recordings a ton. I suppose I can see the similarities in their art, and of course the same first name and being contemporaries, but did they know each other or something?
>>123418269there’s a famous mural of beethoven by klimt in the beethoven frieze in vienna that was accused of uncannily resembling mahler.
>>123418269They all wanted to f*ck Alma (Kokoschka most of all)
>>123418016Yeah I gotta watch this at some point
So Uncle Dave has nominated Bernstein's Vienna Mahler 6 for "best recording ever" of said work. I have it on disc. Shall I or shall I? (I think Mahler 6 is rather disgusting by the way.)
>>123418299Neat, I wasn't familiar with that piece, it is lovely, always been a fan of Klimt's art, and again I can definitely see the parallels between their artistic styles and even themes. So Mahler would be the knight? I guess I can see the resemblance.>>123418302lol>>123418387Every day is a good day to listen to M*hler, of course you should listen to it! It's an incredible recording as well.
>>123418408the knight is supposed to be beethoven, but more than a handful of people have complained that it looks a lot more like mahler.
>To console himself after the loss of his lover, Kokoschka commissioned the Munich doll maker Hermine Moos to create a life-size doll of Alma’s likeness in July 1918. The doll was designed according to Kokoschka’s own descriptions. Although the result was a bitter disappointment to him, he used this fetish doll in several paintings and drawings
>>123418454O_O>Although the result was a bitter disappointment to himPoor guy.
>>123418454Sounds like Bloodborne
Was fin de siecle Vienna decadent or what?
>>123418494I'm not familiar with that culture.
>>123418432By the way, which of Chailly's two Mahler 6's do you prefer? I feel like listening to one (or maybe the Eschenbach one, which is great too and deserves a closer re-listen at some point), and can't decide. If the Gewandhaus, do you think all of those recordings are superior to his Concertbouw cycle?
>>123418550i haven’t heard the gewandhaus one, those DVDs are too much of a pain to seek out in audio file formats
>>123418577Oh, you didn't download the ones uploaded by one of the other knowledgeable anons a month or so ago when I first began inquiring about it?>>122767204Hopefully that link to the post works. When you go to extract them though make sure you rename all of the files to the same name and it'll unpack them all three, else only the first one will.
>>123418506It’s a method of transmission for certain pathogens. Ask the sister Janny for more info
>>123418609nah, those catbox links are dead.
>>123418676Luckily I still have them! Uploading rq, one min
>>123418676>>123418577here you go:https://litter.catbox.moe/c5yxsh.001https://litter.catbox.moe/4h8oq0.002https://litter.catbox.moe/9c0b1d.003And again, make sure you rename them all to 'mahler' or something of all the same name in order to get it to properly extract the entire files, else it'll only extract the first one which'll just be the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th, iirc. And I agree with this comment made by the original uploader in that other post I linked:>Personally, I think the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th in this cycle are up there with the best.aka, the 8th is very weak (fortunately Chailly has an exceptional 8th on his original Concertgebouw cycle), and the 1st and 2nd are just decent, nothing special. All in my opinion, of course. Enjoy!
>>123418850And I personally used 7zip to extract them all, but whatever works for you.
>>123418850downloaded, thanks. i'll give them all a listen.
>>123418879Happy to help! And thanks to the original guy who uploaded them because I had the same issue regarding being able to download and listen to them solely as audio files.
>>123418889just realized the gewandhaus 6th does andante scherzo which immediately makes me dislike it. modern day mahler practice is in such shambles.
>>123418931I was *literally* about to comment the exact same thing haha, the last time I heard it I wasn't as familiar with all of the symphonies as I am now so I didn't notice or didn't care, but was just now reading some reviews on it and was surprised to see and now realize that it uses that order. Maybe I'll listen to the RCO 6th myself, though I also wanna listen to the 5th today after the Honeck recording I played last night left me rather unsatiated, so for that one I'm definitely gonna use the Gewandhaus.
>>123418982the gewandhaus 5th is definitely better than the concertgebouw 5th, but that’s not saying much since the concertgebouw 5th was just meh.
we cultivated this.
>>123418995Yeah the Concertgebouw 5th wasn't really good but was interesting solely because of its idiosyncratic approach and playing at many points, which is why I always intended on re-listening to it at some point before I heard the Gewandhaus 5th. Another one I heard recently for the first time that I really wanna re-listen to is Barshai's 5th, that one was incredible.
>>123419149barshai’s 5th has a great interpretation, but something about the recording quality has always rubbed me the wrong way. i always end up defaulting back to schwarz even if the playing is sloppy.
>>123418931Oh no he does what the composer wanted him to do lmaoooo
>>123419784composers are not immune to making bad decisions about their music
>>123419829Agreed. We can say that Mahler's music in general is one big bad decision
>>123419910further proof that andate-scherzo tards are nothing more than musical puritans who have no interest in what actually sounds best in practice
If Hitler were still alive would he have enjoyed Mahler?
>>123419954Hitler only liked good music, so no.
>>123419954he banned mahler’s music in his lifetime, so probably not, though i’ve heard a rumor that he was fond of mahler the conductor when he was young (keep in mind this was before the first world war)
>>123419244It's funny you say that about the Barshai and mention the Schwarz because that's how I feel about the Schwarz one! Haha. Which is especially weird because I'm generally find with older recordings with flawed or even subpar sound quality but something about the Schwarz one has made me unable to really enjoy it, idk what it is. I actually tried again recently when I saw it on that Tony Duggan survey I posted about the other day and same thing, just couldn't get it into it. Maybe I'll give it another go soon.But yeah would love to hear what you end up thinking about the rest of the Gewandhaus cycle, the 9th I found sublime the last time I listened to it, even better than the RCO 9th, absolutely another one that requires another re-listen from me before I solidify that opinion though.The 7th is very good but I'm still on the quest to find one I'm truly satisfied with. Neumann's, also Gewandhaus funnily enough, comes to the closest for me because it does the best job at bringing out the work's musical and melodic qualities, instead of focusing too much on its atmospheric and similar aspects, especially as I truly think it contains some of the most beautiful music Mahler ever wrote, it just has to be played right to really bring it to life! But again the one at this Chailly set is indeed very good, and maybe I'll give that another listen today too. Gonna be a 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th day perhaps!
>>123419968easily disproven by the fact that his favorite conductor was furtwangler
>>123419829And? It’s their decision to make
>>123419976you’ve probably been listening to the modern everest remastering of the schwarz 5th which is absolutely abysmal. a small label called omega did a transfer of the 5th to CD in the 90s which sounds much better, it’s the one on this video. https://youtu.be/W8Sken8ly3o?si=I4RYqAhKu8ajI7ed
>>123419989and it’s the performer’s decision if they agree and want to follow with said revisions. thankfully the vast majority of conductors have been lucid enough to disagree.
>>123419978Nah it was Germany in general and all the music critics of the day
>>123419968Hitler's favirite composer was Lehar
>>123420008yes, germans are not immune to dogshit taste, as evidenced by their predilection towards literally eating shit.
>>123419992Outside of just hearing it and being able to tell, which I have no doubts you can, how do you know it is that version? What sucks is YouTube Music actually has two versions on their streaming service and uploaded on their main site under a designated official channel, but, and this is something they do a lot, it's actually just two uploads of the same one for both -_-
>>123420008And most performing artists in general. Furtwangler is the most widely respected conductor in all of history
>>123420070because there’s only 2 versions of the schwarz 5th in circulation; if it’s not one, it’s the other. >>123420073respected by retards, yeah.
>>123420163Name your top 10 performers. At least one of them will have had great things to say about Furtwangler
>>123420234i like performers because of their music, not because i think they have intelligent opinions.
>>123420019Thanks but I’ll take the opinion of the most respected critics of their day over some shitposting autist on 4 Chan
>>123420559the most respected critics of the 2020s are currently still worshipping abbado, thielemann, and rattle, so i expect you to kowtow to their recordings from now on.
Why are there (relatively) a lot of left handed electric guitarists, but very very few left handed violinists and other bow instrument players?Are guitarists attention whores? Maybe orchestras and teachers aren't accompanying to a classical player wanting to learn left handed? Something else?
>>123420765guitar music is easy enough for lefty simpletons to grasp, classical music isn’t.
>>123420559And who are the critics in question?
>>123420944Just read his wiki page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_FurtwänglerThe consensus on him is certainly not that he was a ‘dogshit’ conductor
Guitars, Classical https://youtube.com/watch?v=E2uO_Nak9Jg
gonna watch my local orchestra do the Mass in B Minor hope it's good the soloist at least seem to be.
>>123420014I thought it was Bruckner
I never got what was so special about Furtwangler. He frequently seems to take extremely sluggish tempos in andantes and that bothers me.
>>123421034the consensus on klaus makela and gustavo dudamel is that they’re wunderkinder. why aren’t you worshipping them?>>123421353you don’t get it, taking every piece at funereal tempos with an orchestra that’s unable to play a tutti in unison is profound. 2deep4u
>>123421353His style was one of heavy contrasts, taking slow parts slower than most other conductors, but taking the fast parts faster. It is important to remember, though, that these are just generalizations. There are many different recordings where Furtwängler went against his reputation and actually conducting significantly faster than anyone else during his day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMWNvRk93yoThere's plenty to dislike about Furtwängler, but I think much of it comes from a period in which he was well past his prime. He did the majority of his recordings after WWII, and the European orchestras he worked with at the time were in notoriously bad shape. After the 1950s, when his hearing and health had deteriorated significantly (by 1954 he was practically deaf), his conducting had lost some of his characteristic intensity and drive. A good comparison is his studio Tristan and the live excerpts from 1947; they sound like two different conductors entirely, with the latter recording being considerably more exciting. I am an admirer of Furtwängler when his vision and the orchestra come together, but you have to more carefully curate his output.
>>123421509I'm not worshipping either. You're free to dislike him, he's just objectively not considered a dogshit conductor
>>123421597i don’t care about objectivity, i care about how furtwangler sounds to me, and he sounds like shit.
What composers tried to kill themselves?
>>123418454The doll in question
>>123421761He liked 'em hairy. I can respect that.
Webern's early Piano Quintet is pretty great. Like some weird mishmash of Mahler and Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTNED4IHYxc
>>123421826the romantic phase of the second viennese school is all like that, i like it quite a lot actually.
>>123421816Maybe he was a furry?
>>123421826I dig it, thanks for sharing.>Like some weird mishmash of Mahler and BrahmsThat's the dream.
>>123421595What are the best recordings from him?
Stockhausen conducting Mozarthttps://youtu.be/Ye0j0d_uexo
>>123422881>BrucknerSymphony 5 (1942, BP)Symphony 6 (1943, BP. First movement missing)Symphony 9 (1944, BP. Pretty dreadful sound quality)>BrahmsSymphony 1 (1951, NDR. Not to my tastes but very well executed in its way)Symphony 2 (1944, WP)Symphony 4 (1948, BP. The one on Audite.)>BeethovenSymphony 3 (1944, WP. Again, not to my tastes, but well executed)Symphony 5 (1943, BP. The 1947 one is good too, but has sloppier playing)>WagnerDer Ring (1937 Covent Garden excerpts. 1950, La Scala)Tristan (1947, Acts 2 and 3 excerpts)>MozartDon Giovanni (1950 or 1953 are both good. 1950 has based Gobbi)>BartokViolin Concerto 2 (1953, Philharmonia with Menuhin)Some may object to his Beethoven 9th not being on here, but I pretty much don't like his interpretation of the 9th at all.
post your spotify playlist! or just regular playlist if you don't use spotify
>>123424478https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW8OtgOOEAc&list=PLlB4jgoex9gaCBFMiPlPyrWzdq2o50xq5
>>123423905Not that other anon but neat, thanks.
now playingstart of Bruckner's "Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major, WAB 104 'Romantic'" (Honeck / Pittsburgh):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfAb-pDLcDQ&list=OLAK5uy_m6QbPXGlwqZFd-YOHWEVHz59jJnSSljRk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m6QbPXGlwqZFd-YOHWEVHz59jJnSSljRk
>>123418127Jeffrey Swann and Stefan Mickisch are better music lecturers.
>>123427417very silly cover, i’m supposed to believe honeck is strolling around the countryside in a fine worsted business suit? ridiculous
which composers do you guys think went to heaven, and which ones went to hell?
>we want the skyrim audience https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kivNZORP_ppnmCHleAJT6iZsURKQ-Ik-0
>>123430415Might just be a park...
>>123430779what is he doing, having a business meeting with naxos of america at schenley park? absurd, put on some tweeds and flannels if you want to wear tailoring casually outdoors asshole.
>>123430850Are you okay?
>>123430889i’m not okay with the standards of dress displayed by classical musicians today.
>>123430415I actually did not care for the recording very much, sadly.
>>123431197that’s a good thing, it means you don’t have to look at the goofy ass cover any more than necessary
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9TmZP6bzLs&list=OLAK5uy_m02sZN_enmU2YgDIwlcanQgLovhdzaL1w&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m02sZN_enmU2YgDIwlcanQgLovhdzaL1w>>123431203lmao
Would Mahler have liked Hitler?
Scriabin https://youtu.be/HsvwR8aO08I?si=rwxeSo0sDN7zuPFJ
Suzuki's recording of Bach's Magnificat really kind of sucks.
>>123431514Good to know. Shaw's is still far and away my favorite of it. Still pissed there's no recording of his of SJP or SMP.
Philip Glass went to India in 1966 after working with sitar player Ravi Shankar in Paris. He’d become transfixed by the repetitions of Indian music, and destroyed his old serialist and traditional western scores. In India, he met Tibetan refugees and, later, the Dalai Lama and began his lifelong support for their independence. The effects of the trip came out most in his politics, but it eventually led to his 1979 Gandhi opera Satyagraha.
>>123431535Awful recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1vzh4lledUTruly forward looking. More like an early Beethoven or late Haydn piece than anything else, CPE was so far ahead of his time. No wonder Mozart called him his daddy
>>123431997Wow, that explains a lot of things!
>>123431997good morning saar
>>123432348What, Shaw's? Oh :( Which ones are your favorite?
>>123431997Has anyone who isn't retarded integrated ideas from Indian music into Western classical
Would von karajan be considered meterosexual? He was pretty hot even at old age desu , could just be repressed homosexual as well
>>123433042Philip Glass
>>123433104They asked non retarded, that guy should've sticked to being a plumber
>>123433076not what metrosexual means>>123433104is retarded
Philip Glass Metamorphosis: Onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l9Lr9loHG4
>>123433076I genuinely wonder if he could truly love anyone but himself... but then maybe that is not so exceptional
Steve Reich Electric Counterpoint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plL2VDAoThU
>>123433432karajan only really loved 2 things: himself and his porsches
>>123433546I read pic rel years ago. HvK comes across as extremely shallow, almost like he has no personality at all. There is an interesting passage however where HvK and Vaughan visit Berchtesgaden and the conductor seems almost lost in reverie about Nazi Germany and what once was ...
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVocWX1Yt38
>>123433905>Rummel Blessed Jesus Here We StandWhat a strange name for a song
>>123433940https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f662jGV70iU
>>123407972Anyone?
>>123435202https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=_20B-vTlihIBhavC
>>123435202>video unavailable
>>123435202I did listen but it didn't sound familiar and I can't find any mention of it being based on a theme from classical music on a cursory search.
>>123435487thanks. maybe it's just my subconsciousness.
What's your favorite piano recording, /classical/? And why?
>>123436471something by edwin fischer probably
>>123437124His WTC is still the GOAT
>>123436471https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9QCRkljVIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6pXF1Djn8c&list=OLAK5uy_k-AFS10oBO2jcdgi7vd-49wW1aIb6rgJ0&index=1
>>123436471Just picking one is difficult so I'll choose a boxset
>>123437124>>123437228do hisstards seriously
>>123437265more like a slopset
>>123437286
>>123436471First one that comes to mind:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugd8WvlwS2c
>>123437388the average hisstard is a seagull? explains a lot.
Okay... What's everyone's favorite recording of the late quartets??
>>123437596takacs, takacs, takacs
>>123437596Whose late quartets?
>>123437691the only ones that truly matter
>>123437691Beethoven obviously
>>123437596suske
>>123437738sussy gay quartet
>>123437596Alban Berg
>>123437809like the juilliard quartet but for people who wanted a german approach to stiffness and dullness.
>>123437817You will never find peace.
>>123437828i already have. have you?
>>123437846I find that hard to believe.
>>123437872thank goodness your approval matters little
>>123437715Mozart then
>>123437596I have a different favorite for each:12: Doric13: Guarneri (and I always include their Grosse Fuge before the finale as well)14: Prazak15: Talich16: Hagen
>>123437979>(and I always include their Grosse Fuge before the finale as well)behold, the worst possible solution for playing op. 130
>>123437715Schubert's are pretty good, I'll give you that.
>>123438045>>123437954his quintets are better. >>123438045pretty good, but rightfully overshadowed by the string quintet.
>>123437596
>>123438115literally irredeemable; not even deaf boomers like this one
>>123438138Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
>>123437596busch, hollywood and budapest
>>123438140delusional>>123438149holy fucking hisstrranny
>>123438149based
>>123438157jesus christ have sex urgently
>>123438165jesus christ dilate urgently hisster sister
>>123438149Good choices but would add Lener as well
>>123438187so true hisster sister, so true
>>123437596ARTEMIS
New bread >>123438289>>123438289>>123438289
>>123438019good thing I your approval of it matters little
>>123438518>good thing i ... matter littleagreed, you really do!
