Mozart edition>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious Thread: >>123397369
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALQaCDRmums
Bartok 5th string quartet, performed by the Vegh Quartethttps://youtu.be/2XmMaXefnb4?si=9xGhiIsJvFXgye66
>>123438350they’re called the vague quartet because that’s what their intonation is
Nobody asked.
yes, nobody asked to hear the vague quartet
>>123438368It's actually the Végh Quartet not the vague quartet that's a common misconception
>>123438410Well, common amongst those with mental illness.
>>123438410a common misconception given the theme of their quartet is vague intonation>>123438419the lady doth protest too much
>>123438438The shoe fits
Starting the thread Reich https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plL2VDAoThU
>>123438465afraid not, i’m a size 8 or 9 depending on brand.
>>123438563but enough about you
Okay continuing with the question about Beethoven from the previous thread, what is your favorite recording of the SQs by the following composers:Mozart Schubert Bartok ShostakovichSchoenberg
>>123438721it took me 3 years to realize that the juilliard quartet actually has a stereo cycle of their schoenberg quartets, this entire time i assumed they only had their 50s mono recordings. that’s probably the best cycle of schoenberg’s quartets.
Weberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBd7PCicus
>>123437979>I have a different favorite for each:Holy based.
>>123440115more like wholly retarded
I keep falling asleep today because of the medication I'm taking (and will probably be taking tomorrow) so I'm finding it impossible to listen to any work of any real length, ie symphonies. So, aside from Wagner, who has the best overtures or set of symphonic/tome poems or whatever kind of collection of short orchestral works? I just put on a Weber one by Sawallisch right now. Mendelssohn? Berlioz? Dvorak?
>>123440158you keep ignoring beethoven’s overtures and frankly it’s your loss
>>123440186It's sincerely impressive how you can always tell when it's me posting. And while I didn't listen to that Markevitch recording all the way through that you posted, I've heard most of the ones on it at various times before and I did listen to Consecration of the House from it like you suggested!
>>123440133there is no single group of musicians that can do justice to all of Beethoven's output, even if we drive up the qualifiers to more specific chunks of his output, like the late quartets.
>>123438289What's the best "music for someone who's looking for more music like Wagner, but can't quite find any"?
>>123440323Strauss' tone poems, both the short and long ones, always seemed quite similar to me, assuming you're talking mostly about the solely orchestral music and not the operas themselves. But you Wagnersisters are a weird bunch so who knows.
>>123440301quite laughable
>>123440385i accept your concession
>>123440391i don’t accept your laughable folly, i laugh at it
>>123440301Sisteranon might disagree but I think it's dope you have a different favorite for each one. You probably have 32 different favorite pianists/recordings for his piano sonatas too, huh? That'd be neat.
>>123440442there are obvious chunks of sonatas that were written at a similar time/at the same time, for which there is absolutely no reason why the same pianist could not play the entire set straight, for example op. 109-111
>>123440442i'm not the original poster, nor do i have the same favorites, but i agree with the concept of having different choices for each quartet; their sound worlds are different enough and the works are too vast for any one artist to do justice to all of them interpretatively, it's the same with his symphonies and, as you suggest, his sonatas.not saying you have to have a different performer for every work, but i find that's more often the case for my tastes in these works. >You probably have 32 different favorite pianists/recordings for his piano sonatas too, huh?not a different performer for each one, but i have a list of favorits for every single sonata, of which there are a few duplicates but overall there's a large variety
>>123440489only an idiot who forgets that the late quartets were all written in the same 2 year span and as a result have an extremely consistent approach to voice leading, melodic expressivity and formal construction would believe this. the only thing different about their “sound world” is their surface level emotional content; what a shallow presumption.
>>123440517quite laughable
>>123440524yes, but that’s enough about you.
>>123440517Right, I get the argument of your side of it, and it makes sense, especially when comparing the nature of string quartets/pianists and those works and how they're approached in comparison to, say, having a different favorite recording and orchestra/conductor preference for each symphony, but I get where >>123440489 is coming from too and I just think it's cool. The only realm where it'd cross the line for me is if someone had a different favorite for, say, each one of Chopin's 24 Preludes or something, lol. Also cool but just nuts.
>>123440561it’s not really cool, it’s just neurotic and micromanaging, which certainly explains the musical tastes of the people who practice this behavior.
i'll grant that the guy who spends every waking moment in this general, responding to each and every single post with inane bullshit, is likely an authority on neuroticism.
>>123440603didn’t i say that it was quite enough about you?
Thoughts on historical tempos for Beethoven?
>>123440867the only historical tempos for beethoven are his metronome markings, which should be taken seriously.
>>123440890got any recording recommendations that follow his tempo markings?
>>123440910of what? for the symphonies, leibowitz and scherchem are the most faithful that don’t resort to disgusting orchestral practices.
>>123440890>which should be taken seriously.Disgusting interpretation.
>>123441164romantiturds never cease to embarrass themselves
>>123440867metronome markings are factual but it's important to remember Beethoven followed double beat in his time so they're actually way slower
>>123441233very funny, but let’s not try to mislead the genuinely uninformed now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCJ0-xAodukthis is how Beethoven was meant to be played
>>123441250meant to be played by children, yes
>>123440517>only thing different about their “sound world” is their surface level emotional content; what a shallow presumption.>YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE VARYING EMOTIONS IN MUSIC THAT'S SO SHALLOW NOO *sips sóy*
>>123441430who are you quoting?
I cant listen to anything else ever again after Götterdämmerung all other music just sucks now. Wagner was to talented my life is destroyed cause now everything sounds like dogshit in comparison. Even regular things in life suck cause nothing can compare to the emotions I felt during the entire piece.What do I do now bros??
>>123441685>What do I do now bros?Ride into the flames
>writes many great pieces>teach many great students >be an absolute god in orchestration >only gets remembered for bolero arguably his worst piece Why is it like this bros?
>>123441685Gotterdammerung is the worst opera of Wagner's mature period. Listen to Parsifal or Siegfried instead.
on 2.0 mg of clonazepam right now.post music that represents my GABA receptors being destroyed for life.
>>123438721>MozartHagen, Mosaiques>SchubertBusch, Budapest, Alban Berg>BartokTakacs, Végh, early Juilliard recording>ShostakovichHagen, Fitzwilliam, Beethoven>SchoenbergJuilliard, Lasalle, Arditti
i think we can all agree that leck mich im arsch is peak western music
>>123442681get off the stage
>>123438289The GOAT guitaristhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNSDAMH1cQ&list=PL63_u4gJzGxugbZrDvOAq8kj544TofnSQ&index=5
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGUFBqwWa7E
>>123438721>MozartABQ [Telarc]>SchubertBrandis Quartett>BartokTokyo String Quartet [DG]>ShostakovichQuator Danel [Fuga Libera], Pacifica Quartet>Schoenbergnone
Wagner drove me insane.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Die zauberfloete
>>123438289Best filmed version of each Wagner opera?
hissbros... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpLu0dbTnRU
>>123443850https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS3nKdLlf5Y&list=PLIWRcSDvoVFpgrIiu6mO7KlANTg91EGP0
Was Curt Cibain better than Bach? Could Bach have written Smells Like Teen Spirit?
Kreislerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ITrPGD-LQ
>I was 8 years old>I loved Bach so much>I'd play Contrapunctus 11 every day>one day I go to a party>they have a piano>they're playing smash mouth>turn that shit off and begin to play the well tempered clavier>suddenly this ugly fat brogre neckbearrd starts yelling at me>he looks pissed off, red face>"why the fuck did you turn all star off to play your Farquaad shit fuck you Shrek is love Shrek is life">he rambles on for an hour, making no sense>he finally stops>I look him straight in the eye>"Shrek is dreck">he gasps>the pungent smell of onions begins to fill the room>smash mouth turns back on>suddenly Shrek bursts in through the wall>"What did ya say about me, laddeh?"> I call him dreck again>his face is seething with rage>he pulls down his trousers and prepares to rape me with his massive eshrekt shrock>I laugh at his puny shrock, and begin to improvise a six voice ricercar on "all star">Shrek turns all pale and starts to speak French like the green faggot he is>suddenly the master himself, JS Bach, appears from thin air>he looks Shrek straight in the eye, and says>"fugue you">suddenly JS Bach pulls out his mighty pipe organ and impale shrek's face>I can see his bloody eyeballs being forced out of their sockets>Bach roars a mighty five voice roar>I can hear Bach's fugue climaxing as the theme is heard simultaneously in normal and inverted motion>Bach's JS cock explodes with semen, and I can see rivers of cum flowing out of shrek's mouth, ears, and eye sockets>bits of brain are floating about>JS Bach laughs, and says>"now it's time for rectus">he puts down shrek's limp, mutilated corpse and walks up behind me>I bend over, prepared for the fuguing at hand>Bach drives his cocktrapunctus into my asshole>he modulates to major, minor, and even modal keys>my screams of pleasure can barely be heard>at the final cadence, I black out>I wake up alone to the smell of coffee>Bach is love, Bach is life
>>123443054that alban berg set of schubert quartets is such a snooze honestly
Is this a mistake?https://youtu.be/zQn4Qfy_Bek?t=100
There's a very short list of pianists I like, but I do enjoy:Kissin Yuja Wang
>>123446041>KissinI enjoy his interviews
>>123445897Do people listen to any of Schubert's quartets besides the last three (and a half)?
>>123446041Kissin' Yuja's Wang
>>123446208no lol, even schubert himself said that all his quartets prior to the C minor quartettsatz weren't serious works.
Give me starter charts. Im a metal fag who listened to St. John Passion and I want more
>>123446355stick to >>>/mu/ lil guy
>>123446355Brahms, Johannes – The Four SymphoniesRespighi, Ottorino – Pines, Birds, Fountains of RomeSchubert, Franz – Symphonies 8 & 9Saint-Saens, Camille – Symphony 3Bruckner, Anton – Symphony 4Berwald, Franz – Symphony 2Paganini, Niccolo – 24 CapricesAnner Bylsma and Lambert Orkis – Sonatas by Brahms and Schumann
>>123446420incomprehensibly random selection
>>123446424Do you listen to metal?
>>123446464no, but that has little to do with how all those selections have no relation to the st john passion.
Dittersdorfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH8-pmYPvoc&list=OLAK5uy_mH3eUUjUzRw9TTudJkVx66AlLU5hRyMIY&index=3
>>123446355Josquin - Missa Pange LinguaMonteverdi - OrfeoJ. S. Bach - Cantata BWV 140J. S. Bach - Well-Tempered Clavier bk. 1Haydn - String Quartets op. 76Mozart - Clarinet QuintetMozart - The Magic FluteBeethoven - Symphony no. 3Beethoven - Piano Sonata "Hammerklavier" op.106Schubert - String Quintet
>>123446583the idea of a fried dopamine receptor metalbabby trying to sit through josquin and wondering if he’s getting trolled is extraordinarily funny actually
>>123446355Bruckner Masses, Haydn The Creation, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_5lFodigw0&list=OLAK5uy_mQ4bfP_FytRi2sACNaL6TTT9NJHn3tEKg&index=14amazing performance, they really were much more exciting in a live setting
>>123446299"They were just pranks bro"
>>123446605If he can sit through a Bach passion... why would a 25 minute mass with crystal clear polyphony be a major problem? Because a capella?
>>123446208No
>>123446401Less than useless s*sterposter
Levine's Mahler 5 is one of my favorite all-time recordings. Listening to that into his 6th, which I've never tried, so should be fun! Oh, hmm apparently the box set 6th is a recording he made with the LSO, whereas he has another with the Boston Symphony Orchestra. Anyone heard both? I'm listening to the box set LSO because I have it downloaded but have had the Boston recording added to my YouTube Music for sometime it appears. Guess we'll have to try them both!start of the 5th:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOfR_CElld4&list=OLAK5uy_m1urRyXcuhaIoDj2gQ-v7HV3AbJ1fj7Kk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m1urRyXcuhaIoDj2gQ-v7HV3AbJ1fj7Kk
>>123446355mahler symphonies
>>123446790one of my favorite all-time recordings of the 5th*
>b-but he was a pederast!!
>>123446840Who
>>123446355Ask Hector. Ban incoming
>>123446780Thank you melanated sister
>>123446856the sister poster
>>123442965https://youtu.be/V1WaInjHUT0?si=AdMJ1WXC7CS_8i8c
>>123446872>Whether behind the scenes, in front of the mic, building empires, or shaking things up in the boardroom, our melanated sisters played a major role in moving music forward in the 2010s.
>>123446767no, just juvenilia>>123446768bach’s choral music still has some aspects of it that would appeal to a neophyte; the sheer mass of sound (especially in traditional interpretations with large orchestras and choirs), the dramatic elements of the arias, etc. a renaissance mass has none of these; it is pure polyphony, a concept alien to the average tourist. you think he will have any idea what he’s listening to?>>123446780>>123446882not /classical/, try >>>/b/ instead>>123446790i absolutely abhor this recording
>>123442965do they really not come back?
>>123446867He died
>>123446926thank goodness your approval matters little
>>123446981Did he really?
>>123446985thank goodness you matter little, obsessed concern troll
>>123446964Yes, he's exaggerating
>>123446926>>123446985Rival s*sterposters?
>>123447062It was only a matter of time.
My favorite Parsifalhttps://youtu.be/UciWj8CZWNY?si=Apdaa_S1QM3qPTNv
>>123447135It's very good. Certainly the best choir.
the sister spammer turned simply into the rudeposter (alternatively the whineposter). What's the next step of his life cycle?
>>123447238Crashing this plane....
>>123447135for me it's Kubelik
>>123447238becoming the petzoldposter
>>123447238seeking mental help i hope
If I could keep only 5 Parsifals, they would beKnappertsbusch 62KegelKarajan 80BoulezBarenboim
>>123447238Thank you based schizo sister
Chopin Beethoven Debussy Glass
>>123447478but beethoven isn’t a talentless hack
>>123447238Chopping their balls off so they can sing like an eunuch for the local choir. (what churches did to singers with youthful voice, lmao.)
>>123447478>Chopingreat>Beethoven GOAT tier>Debussygreat>Glassgarbage (not music)
>>123447552sounds more like the fate of the obsessed concern troll tranny if you ask me
>>123447478goodgreatgoodlol
>>123447577Because the Sis poster had already chopped their balls off >obsessed concern troll tranny Literally who?
>>123447331what's with 4chan and autists spamming unfunny shit?
>>123447779literally you, obsessed concern tranny
>>123446926>i absolutely abhor this recordingo lol really? Do you like any of Levine's Mahler?
>>123447857It's the nature of this general
>>123447894Let's not resort to name calling
>>123448039not really, and i’ve tried way more of his cycle than i really should’ve>>123448223if you insist, obsessed concern tranny>>123448271great question wignat sister
>>123448271Beethoven
>>123448271Webern unironically
>>123448271Wagner
"psychedelic" pieces?
>>123448668Symphonie Fantastique
>>123448337What, exactly, of Beethoven?>>123448407Webern composed atonal music, meaning he was spiritually jewish>>123448593Yeah I already know
>>123448704>Webern composed atonal music, meaning he was spiritually jewishIt is now known that Webern was using music to shuttle Werner Heisenberg's discoveries in atomic energy to German spy Klaus Fuchs working on the Manhattan atom bomb project in New Mexico. Due to the secret nature of the project, which was still underway after the invasion of Berlin, Army officials at the time were unable to describe the true reason for Webern's murder.Hans Scherbius, a Nazi party official who worked with Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, admitted at age eighty-seven that the Nazis secretly were behind the twelve-tone technique of composition, which was officially reviled to give it the outlaw status it needed to remain outside of the larger public purview."These pieces were nothing more than cipher for encoding messages," he chuckled during an interview on his balcony in Buenos Aires. "It was only because it was 'naughty' and difficult that elite audiences accepted it, even championed it."
>>123448797As an example, Scherbius showed Associated Press reporters the score of Webern's Opus 30 "Variations for Orchestra" overlaid with a cardboard template. The notes formed a mathematical grid that deciphered into German a comparison between the neutron release cross-sections of uranium isotopes 235 and 238.Schonberg responded with a collection of songs for soprano and woodwinds that encrypted the chemical makeup of the polonium-beryllium initiator at the core of the Trinity explosion.And in Japan, Toru Takemitsu took time out from his own neo-romanticism to transmit data via music of his nation's progress with the atom."The most curious thing about it," says composer Philip Glass in New York City, "is that musicians continued to write twelve-tone music after the war, even though they had no idea why it was really invented. Indeed, there are guys who are churning out serialism to this day."Unlike the diatonic music, which is based on scales that have been agreed upon by listeners throughout the world for all of history, twelve-tone music treats each note of the chromatic scale with equal importance, and contains a built-in mathematical refusal to form chords that are pleasing by traditional standards. Known also as serialism, the style has never been accepted outside of an elite cadre of musicians, who believe it is the only fresh and valid direction for post-Wagnerian classical music to go."Even if this is really true," states conductor Pierre Boulez, a composer who continues to utilize serial techniques, "the music has been vindicated by music critics for decades now. I see no reason to suddenly invalidate an art form just because of some funny business at its inception."
>>123448797>>123448875lmao that's some good shit
>>123448167every board in general you mean
>>123448875>says composer Philip Glassstopped there.
>>123449092How does anyone genuinely like Glass? It's barely even music
>>123449181At uni I once acted as a trip minder for some acquaintances who got high and watched Koyaanisqatsi at which point I understood the target demographic for Philip Glass.
minimalism in general is not music
Composers with autism:BartokMahlerMartinuBrucknerRameauWho am I missing?
What does /classical/ think of Early Music Sources?
>>123450278hideous henley shirt
>>123450332not /classical/, try >>>/fa/ instead
>>123450369i’m sure /fa/ approves of people wearing underwear as tshirts, maybe not on emaciated soiboys though.
We need to test the IQ of everyone on this general, we really do.
>>123446790Levine's 5th has probably the best strings and percussion that I've heard in Mahler 5
>>123450650too bad everything else about it sucks
>>123450656stop being gay
>>123450617Philip Glass appreciators(not fans) have very high IQs-you need to it fully savour the art.
>>123450617https://mensa.dk/iqtest/you first
>>123450691maybe if levine did he wouldn’t have a permanent reputation of sex offender
Beethoven>Bach>Mozart
>>123438721Mozart - trashSchubert - trashBartok - TakacksShostakovich - trashSchoenberg - trash
>>123450858who hurt you
>>123450942How can you like Bartok but not Shostakovich?
>>123450971thankfully not levine
>>123450882In terms of aura? I agree
>>123451007NTA but I love Shostakovich's but don't (yet) like Bartok's
now playingstart of Dvorak's "Symphony No. 7 in D Minor, Op. 70, B. 141":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRWmkd1wZA&list=OLAK5uy_mY7HZQ2ZmyGJqPP9W_SYC4Ot-K7vKbo_8&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mY7HZQ2ZmyGJqPP9W_SYC4Ot-K7vKbo_8Can't believe I hadn't heard of the Suite in A major ('American Suite') before, so I'm especially excited for that. Added a couple other recordings of it too because I just love everything Dvorak.
clASSical
>>123450882literal opposite
>>123438721Mozart - Kuijken easily. Though for the quintets they have competiton with Ensemble Villa Musica.Schubert - Diogenes QuartetBartok - not familiar enough to have a favorite cycleShostakovich - Borodin QuartetSchoenberg - Schoenberg QuartetAdditionally my favorite Beethoven cycles are Hagen and Guarneri
favorite composers of chamber music?
Carmen vs Parsifalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnYbs_9bnPE
>>123455693no one cares about wagner
>>123450278No one? This guy produces much higher quality content than Wim, yet he is never discussed here.
>>123456601buddy, nobody discusses classical music here
>>123447552>>123447552>theirHere is your dilator 2000 sister
Takacs is so bad at Beethoven. Rym-core garbage.
>>123457755Why?
>>123458040It's sterile
>>123457755>>123458076translation: their playing is technically impeccable and their interpretation is thoroughly thought out to a degree where i can’t really make any real criticisms, so i’m going to make up some bullshit that props up my poorly intoned dogshit favorite quartet that’s unable to play a tutti in unison
>>123458156You have bad taste
>>123458347what a shock, more non-arguments! definitely didn't see that coming.
>>123458372You're just wrong and i'm merely presenting the truth
>>123458417>WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAAAAAHHah, i see. how astute. anything else, crybaby?
>>123458426No
>>123458450good. glad you figured out your place so quickly.
>>123458482I am poopy man I wear diaper
>>123458500hey, that's your words, not mine.
>>123440952thanks for the recs Leibowitz's Ninth was a great recording>>123441233I know wim is an idiot so you can't trick me.
>>123438289https://youtu.be/ymNrgH1xSNo?si=-fLhN9PpZuGlEh9OHow can anyone dislike this? This shit slaps
slap bop fire banger no cap fr fr on god sheeeeeeeesh
>>123457755I wouldn't call them bad but they're kind of boring. Sight read Beethoven.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zPx6XoCnA
>>123459014The little guy is tuckered out and needs a nap
>>123454297Thanks, added the ones I wasn't familiar with. As well as a bunch off of other people's posters. I do love Borodin for Shosty. Probably listen to those Kuijken Mozart first.
>there are people RIGHT NOW who believe that Brahms is superior to Wagner
>>123459157this poster has never looked at a single page of sheet music from any of beethoven's quartets. >>123459206yes, those would be people, as opposed to wagnerites which are not.
>>123459267Wagnerites are übermensch.
I've come to realize, and this is probably the reason I used to like just about every recording of it I heard, that most conductors can do a good first movement of Mahler 6 -- the difficult part comes in doing the rest well, especially the final ~30min movement.
>>123459386did you type this post out and fill in the captcha with the tab closed, wagnersister?
>>123459206Don't get me wrong, I like Wagner, but Brahms is leagues ahead of him.
https://discord.gg/BYqUQthNserver for composers, shitposters and songwriters
>>123459670good afternoon discord groomer sister
>>123459670Is this where the sister poster grooms children to molest?
>>123459776it’s actually home to the pedophile kraut
https://youtu.be/8dupyQFfL4Y?si=ocAEJPp9RsV_yeYTEARLY Stockhausen, thoughts????
>>123459787Oh I see you use a different discord to groom children
>>123459820you wish i used discord, obsessed concern troll
>>123459826I wish you didn’t molest children
>>123459267>>123459636Even Jews know Wagner is superior to Brahms.>At that time I thought that Brahms and Wagner had musically not much more in common than all musicians have. Today, they appear to me musically almost like brothers. I think Wagner to be the greater genius. He tried to solve new problems, to express grandiose visions. Yet, Brahms's untheatrical and less pretentious work is closer to me.
>>123459851why would i do that? i’m not a pedophile, nor a kraut. sounds like you’re getting your wires crossed, obsessed concern troll.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGrt79su1g
>>123459967How should I know? I don’t care to fathom the minds of pedos presumably the reason is you’re sexually attracted to then
Wagner was twice the composer that Brahms could ever be.
>>123459992good thing i’m not a pedo then. try harder, obsessed concern troll. >>123459996and twice the woman, too!
>>123459944If Jews like him that’s a strike against Wagner. It’s well known that Brahms is superior
>>123460002I’m not interested in your many lies I wouldn’t expect a pedo to admit it
Brahms was simply jealous of Wagner.
people don't think critically that's why they like wagner
>>123460023the burden of proof is on you, little guy. i’m sure you can do better than that, obsessed concern troll. >>123460026i don’t see why he would be, he wasn’t gender dysphoric after all.
Brahms did nothing new and only reciprocated tropes popularised by Beethoven a century later, it's no coincidence Brahms's first symphony was nicknamed 'Beethoven's 10th', and if he'd had even a single gram of originality in his entire body it wouldn't have been. Brahms is an entirely uninspired composer who only wrote music that was already familiar to himself, never once did he listen with an unbiased ear to the ground breaking work of his contemporaries. Marcel Duchamp said art stopped being art after a number of years because the cultural context it was created in is lost, and it loses the violent response truly great works of art elicit, if he was right then what Brahms wrote wasn't even art at the exact moment of creation; there's nothing interesting in writing stale music that sounds like it was written a century earlier.Brahms was writing for pathetic conservatism, small mindedness and "I-don't-know-much-about-music-but-I-know-what-I-like", middle-of-the-road, kitsch crap.
>>123460063so true wagnersister, so true.
>>123460040Not interested in excuses
>>123460011Most Jews preferred Brahms, even in his own day, because of their predilection for abstraction and objectivity in determining the value of music (just think of Hanslick and Schenker), which in itself tends toward conservative musical tastes, and because Brahms was a philosemite while Wagner was an antisemite. But the actually talented Jews like Schnabel, Mahler, Newman, etc. all recognsie Wagner as greater.
>>123460069not interested in your lack of proof, obsessed concern troll
>>123442681based Siegfried appreciator
>>123460063>Marcel Duchamp said art stopped being art after a number of years because the cultural context it was created in is lostThat sounds like obviously nonsense to me. I don’t see why art requires a violent response. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this
>>123460094your head requires a violent response
>>123460089A tediously predictable response. I’m not interested in more, stop trying to derail the thread with your off topic posts and bizarre nicknames
>>123460078>everyone that prefers brahms over wagner is a jew, except for the jews that prefer wagner over brahms, then it's ok because they're "talented"is this what estradiol does to your prefrontal cortex?
>>123460122a tediously predictable response. i'm not interested in your lack of proof, stop trying to derail the thread with your obsessed concern trolling.
>All I can say of him [Brahms] is that he's a rather puny little dwarf with a narrow chest. Good Lord, if a breath from the lungs of Richard Wagner whistled about his ears he would scarce be able to keep his feet. But I don't mean to hurt his feelings.- From a letter by Mahler to his wife in 1904
>>123460145which mahler symphony is your favorite?
>>123460132>no U Grow up
>>123460170>more obsessed concern trollinggrow up.
>>123460123>>everyone that prefers brahms over wagner is a jew, except for the jews that prefer wagner over brahmsWas this meant to sound illogical?
>>123460194>being a jew is a problem unless you prefer wagner, then it's ok because they're "talented"roflmao
>>123460162Das Lied von der Erde
>>123460194I guess strictly speaking it isn’t a contradiction but it does come across as rather ridiculous
>>123460216favorite recording?
>>123460232Klemperer
Walt Disney is thawed and puts together a team to make a new Fantasia.Which pieces should go in?
>>123460268I throw in what images accompany them since that’s the really interesting part
>>123460268it’ll be nothing but wagner opera excerpts set to dilation instructional videos done by star wars and marvel characters.
>>123460294*I’d
>>123460209>being something with negative qualities is bad, except when those negative qualities are not attached or are mollifiedUgh, yes? Again, not exactly illogical.
>>123460298What a fucking shit answer
>>123460323>except when those negative qualities are not attached or are mollifiedtl;dr being jewish is ok if you’re a wagnertranny LMFAO>>123460330don’t blame me, blame kathleen kennedy.
>>123460268Start with another Bach orchestration. Elgar's take on BWV 537 would really give artists something to work with.For the fugue, abstract, firework-esque imagery would be excellenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FP8Jf2gFrM
>>123460340>being jewish isn't bad if it doesn't restraint your ability to comprehend the truthYes.
>brahmscuck coping
>>123460352certified AGPbrain moment
>>123460268Pictures at an Exhibition- the images would write themselves The Dvorak one about the Water Goblin - likewise the images are obvious
>>123460385animating a tone poem with an existing plot is possibly the laziest route you could take for a fantasia style movie.
>>123460268Xenakis - PersepolisStockhausen - HymnenVarese - Poeme ElectroniqueSchaeffer - Cinq Études de bruits
>>123460407That’s what they did for a night on bald mountain and the sorcerers apprentice - more or less
>the RYMtranny actually wants a cartoon movie for children to include a 3 hour long collection of random electronic bloops and national anthem sampleswhat do you guys think is the cause for this brainrot
>>123460438yeah, and the results alternate between fucking lazy (the aforementioned) and fucking stupid (rite of spring set to dinosaurs; really?)
>>123460268Music for children you say? Well, anything by Johannes Brahms.
>>123460456At that point it sounds like you just don’t like the film
>>123460456Sorcerer's Apprentice is great, fucking idiot.
Damn, MTT's Das Lied von der Erde isn't on YouTube. Has anyone heard it and know if it's worth taking the time to download and listen to? I feel like trying a new one today. Maybe I'll listen to Sanderling's or Mehta's.
>>123460613fucking boring, more like>>123460630what is it with gay guys and the tenor/baritone version of DLvDE?
>>123460613I don’t think I’ve ever seen that poster make a positive comment about any classical music
>>123460672that may be because you don't think at all
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c7ZLmfIjT4&list=OLAK5uy_nk7MZk7cQe9UQUNEugcbL1--LzTgywnPo&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nk7MZk7cQe9UQUNEugcbL1--LzTgywnPo
>>123438289Was Stockhausen a white supremacist?
>>123460753>I heard the piece Aphex Twin of Richard James carefully: I think it would be very helpful if he listens to my work Song Of The Youth, which is electronic music, and a young boy’s voice singing with himself. Because he would then immediately stop with all these post-African repetitions, and he would look for changing tempi and changing rhythms, and he would not allow to repeat any rhythm if it were varied to some extent and if it did not have a direction in its sequence of variations.Probably
>>123460993Oh come on it’s the Emperor has no clothes not the Emperor has a green loincloth
>>123461111so true wignat sister, so true
now playing, gonna give Sibelius one (or two) more trystart of Sibelius' "Symphony No. 3 in C Major, Op. 52":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpIv7ZgOBE4&list=OLAK5uy_lFcxXFzV8tVNEhV0WN8ouvUJxj8YiRqLg&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lFcxXFzV8tVNEhV0WN8ouvUJxj8YiRqLg
>>123461111is he actually Jewish?
>>123461126You don’t need to reply to every post
>>123460726Also this was a great Shostakovich 6, highly recommended.
>>123460993ebin
>>123461138the wignat sister would certainly like to believe so>>123461144so true wignat sister, so true
>>123461007He was raped by Wagner.
>>123461172so true wagnersister, so true>>123461178excellent question wignat sister
>>123461189Kek he admits to being raped by Wagner
>>123461206so true wagnersister, so true
>>123457755I mostly dislike their tone. They play in that hyper aggressive HIP style where it sounds like they're slashing at their instruments.
>>123461155not a denial, then
>>123461229Lol
>>123457755>>123461246I just find them boring personally.
>>123461246>having a discernible attack to your notes is HIP>literally every conductor from toscanini to szell to reiner to munch is HIPwtf i love HIP now>>123461248so true wignatsister, so true
>>123457755>>123461265>>123461246it's simply too soulless for Beethoven
>>123461067You want children to see a penis? You think that's appropriate for children's entertainment? A naked man's penis, that's your idea of what children should be looking at, you sick fuck?
Fauréhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTz7tSW8QW0&list=OLAK5uy_nemuusA64GcOED0THJazx-XvyyM3M0eqw
>>123461178Schoenburg wasn't even the king of 12 tone Scott Bradley was.
>>123461285still not as soulless as the sussy gay quartet
>>123461286Absolutely yes, that’s the whole point of the story
>>123461283There's discernable attacks and then there's the way that Takacs plays it. They play it like they play their Bartok. Szell doesn't do that with Beethoven and neither did Toscanini. You're confusing pointed rhythmic articulation with phrasing.
>>123461286it's just a penis it's a normal thing
>>123461283Kek
>>123459386These threads are cancer, and are filled with Mahler fans.>>123460955I'm with him kinda, i'm getting real tired of post-african repetitions.
>>123461326That’s what I said but did the (((judge))) listen? No
>>123461320>They play it like they play their Bartok. they play everything like that. it's part of their sound, much like how bad intonation is part of the vegh quartet's sound. >Szell doesn't do that with Beethoven and neither did Toscanini. by that logic, neither do HIP groups, because quite frankly no other group has that sound to their string playing. didn't stop you from trying to claim it was HIP though.
This recording takes the dynamics to the point where some passages are barely audible and you have to strain to hear them and then as you're straining and your ears are completely open and unprotected you get hit with the frying pan. It's like being abused with music. An anxiety inducing recording. Tried listening to it numerous times, now I'm either donating it to the library or perhaps simply throwing it as far away from my person as I can without damaging my rotator cuff.
>>123461359>didn't stop you from trying to claim it was HIP though.That kind of phrasing originated with HIP groups
Looking forward to the Iannis Xenakis edition
>>123461368>noooooooo they're TOO dynamicjust say you prefer your beethoven played by and for geriatrics and be done with it, no need to invent buzzwords like "soulless" to explain it. >>123461387it really didn't. there isn't a single HIP group on the planet that sounds remotely similar to takacs.
>>123461398You need to listen to more recordings lol
>>123461407i'll bet money i have more recordings of the beethoven quartets on my hard drive right now than you've ever heard of in your life.
Korngoldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlHZJWRNx5k&list=OLAK5uy_l7kcrZ8Nmi7Nj_zhPhF5F9Z9CGpUYzUbI>>123461138I jest, but he turns very aggressive when called scholomosister
>>123461368They remind me of Currentzis in that way, really annoying. They do the same thing where they draw a lot of attention to themselves with their super duper pianissimo which roars itself to a loud climax in a "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" type way. It's very irritating.
>>123461430>i hate dynamics i want everything to sound the same!the kind of bullshit hisstards will invent to shit on any recording post WWII is kinda impressive sometimes
>>123461455>my only concept of dynamics is going from 0 to 11, nothing in betweenYou do you, bro
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>>123461368>This recording takes the dynamics to the point where some passages are barely audible and you have to strain to hear them and then as you're straining and your ears are completely open and unprotected you get hit with the frying panthat's one of the few good things about it.
>>123461473>>123461368Why tf are you complaining about harsh dynamics in Beethoven? If you look at his music you'll often see changes with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Maybe try listening to Schubert or Haydn if you want subtler dynamics. This is a bit nonsensical to complain about in Beethoven.
