Honegger editionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>123940119
>>123957023Honegger did a great soundtrack for the best adaptation of Les Misérables (1934) so he has my respect for that
>>123957055https://youtu.be/MeebaH--kZIyes
>>123957023the french are actually really good composers when they’re actually not french, as is the case with honegger and franck.
>>123957085why did you let me know Hurwitz agrees with me? now I am forced to change my mind...
>>123957098fun fact: hurwitz also likes handel, beethoven, mozart, haydn, brahms, wagner, bruckner, mahler, schubert, mendelssohn, debussy, ravel, tchaikovsky, prokofiev, shostakovich, bartok, and stravinsky. hope you don’t like any of those composers.
One does not need to share Wagner’s view of Mendelssohn, who came from a Christianized and highly assimilated family, to see that his argument is substantially correct. . . . A really great creative artist is one who, in freely expressing his own needs, aspirations, and conflicts, articulates those of an entire society. This is made possible by the fact that, through his earliest relationships, mother tongue, upbringing, and all his first experience of life, the cultural heritage on which he has entered at birth is woven into the whole fabric of his personality. He has a thousand roots in it of which he is unaware, nourishing him below the level of consciousness, so that when he speaks for himself he quite unconsciously speaks for others. Now in Wagner’s time it was impossible for a Jewish artist to be in this position. The ghettos of Western Europe had only begun to be opened in the wake of the French Revolution, and their abolition was going on throughout the nineteenth century. The Jewish composers of Wagner’s day were among the very first emancipated Jews, pastless in the society in which they were living and working. They spoke its language with, literally, a foreign accent.
>>123957125so true wagnersister
>>123957125noonecares
>>123957125Sounds about right.
>>123957086French music is more tasteful than German firetruck music
>>123957123well I don't anymore!
I wish I could enjoy the Brandenburg Concertos but they just sound outdated, too much the product of a alien time and peoples.
>>123957160>posts berlioz, satie and ravel in the same breath as “tasteful”LMFAOOOOOOO
>>123957160you mean gay
I would never listen to any of Vagner’s repulsive operas, I only listen to Brahms and french composers.
>>123957227oh I also like to swallow when I suck if that matters
It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine.
>>123957187>>123957184t. coping earlets
>>123957264lmao shut up you like satie
>>123957227I would never listen to opera, I only listen to choral music when I want the sound of the human voice.
>>123957160French music is vulgar and filthy. France is the sewer drain of western Europe, and it ought to be nuked from orbit.
please no more vagner faggotry. that faggot sucked major ass.
>>123957160Where's Rameau?
>>123957363thank you wagnersister
>When it comes to music dramas nobody knows music dramas better than me. I have the best music dramas. The best. But look folks, the French have been definitely overtaking us in the arts. It's terrible. When France sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing cheap entertainment. They're bringing creditors. They're Jews. And some, I assume, are good people. We need to build a wall. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate France. I love France. I have great relationships with the French people. But what they have been doing to our national spirit is just... terrible. Terrible. Sad! Don't worry though, folks. The HRE is going to come back. And it's going to come back greater and stronger than ever before. It's gonna be yuge, believe me. We're going to make Germany great again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq6fWOy070c
>>123957454thank you wagnersister
>>123957396woof woof
>>123957472put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>Two years into her marriage with Gesualdo, Donna Maria began an affair with Fabrizio Carafa, third Duke of Andria and seventh Count of Ruvo. For almost two years, Gesualdo did not have knowledge about this, although the news was spreading and well-known elsewhere. On the night of October 16, 1590, Gesualdo allegedly announced that he was going on a hunting expedition and it is rumored that he arranged with his servants to leave the doors unlocked.[citation needed] When he unexpectedly returned at the Palazzo San Severo in Naples, he smashed down Donna Maria's bedroom door to discover the two lovers in flagrante in bed.[4] Gesualdo then slaughtered them both on the spot.[5] Afterwards, the bodies of his wife and lover, both mutilated and naked, were dragged outside, in front of the palace to be exposed for everyone to see. Later, Carlo Gesualdo fled to his castle at Gesualdo, Campania to be safe from any relatives of the murdered ones swearing vengeance.>The day after the murders, a delegation of Neapolitan officials inspected the room in Gesualdo's apartment where the killings had taken place, and interrogated witnesses. The delegation's report did not lack in gruesome details, including the mutilation of the corpses, and, according to the witnesses, Gesualdo going into the bedroom a second time "because he wasn't certain yet they were dead".[6]>Due to his status as a nobleman, The Gran Corte della Vicaria found that Gesualdo had not committed a crime.[5]>About a year after the gruesome end of his first marriage Gesualdo's father died and he thus became the third Prince of Venosa and eighth Count of Conza.[1][6]
>>123957570>cheat on your husband>get brutally slaughtered>centuries pass>your husband is still infinitely more widely known and beloved than you'll ever bekek
>>123957570yes, very based
>wagnersisters?!
>>123957160>Ah the...French...composers....have always been noted for their excellence
now playing (the Orchestral Suites)start of J.S. Bach: Orchestral Suite No. 2 in B Minor, BWV 1067https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QWSd0XXZME&list=OLAK5uy_lydMRoXoqaA4uE1ra6Cg2NrbFrwg2vNX4&index=11https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lydMRoXoqaA4uE1ra6Cg2NrbFrwg2vNX4
>>123957241>I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post.gets me everytime
>>123957643put your trip back on, groomer germ
He has completely destroyed my mind. What is happening to me? I just stopped Carmen in the first half... an opera I never quit in the middle of the session. I tried changing to Verdi's Macbeth, Mozart's Figaro, Pagliacci, William Tell... it was all for naught, even Beethoven could not save me from this mad course trajectory towards Wagner. Its like nothing else even exists! This is a huge fucking problem, there will come a point when Wagner will cease to have the same power and effect and that will be the day I ruin myself. I need help, guys help me! This is not a joke. How do you survive "music fatigue"?
>>123957181Some people (like myself) enjoy music from other times that sound as such. I like medieval music, for example.
>>123957729>Play a Brandenburg in YT (no picrel)>Sounds weird>Look title to be sure>It says "without tempo markings">Feel uncultured and lost
>>123957990lost about what
>>123958006Why does the concert sounds weird without tempo markings? Its not only the speed that is different, but I cant put my finger on what exactly is off for me.
>>123957879I know that feel, anon. Try Reger and anything else in the hyper-romantic polyphonic idiom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUkoPnSBMfc
>>123957363Based
>>123958178put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>123958335>t.
>>123958178Personally I don't really like Late Romantic harmonies poured into traditional moulds. It seems very arbitrary, like there was no need for them to go together.
Last time I'll bring up my medication, promise, but it's hilarious and interesting to me that classical music sounds best to me in the mornings before I head out to the methadone clinic for my dose, and approximately 12 hours later once the brain fog and such starts to really wear off. Proves that classical music enjoyment really involves the use of higher mental faculties.
>>123958396What medication? Sounds bad for you, even if it's necessary.
>>123958349yes, we know you want to fuck dogs. now put your trip back on, groomer germ. >>123958386the pedophile kraut doesn’t know what form is, he only cares about his nonsensical half-cooked version of schenker
>>123958425Methadone. Side effects seem to include brain fog and emotional numbness. Don't worry, once I get upgraded in the amount of takehome doses they give me, I'll start splitting the dose into two parts a day and that should solve the issues while still giving me all of the benefits, but currently I have to go in every weekday and when you dose there, you have to take it in front of the nurse.But yeah, it's funny because oftentimes at midday I'll try listening to, say, a Tchaikovsky ballet, and I struggle to make it through even 15 minutes some days without wanting to turn it off because it does nothing for me, but try the same work later in the evening once I'm feeling more clearheaded and normal, and I can listen through the entire thing no problem and enjoy every second. Wild. Is what it is.
>>123958386I disagree. In fact, Romantic harmony freed the older forms from excessive constraints. There is no reason why a sonata could not use a highly expanded/modulatory layout. Reger's music is like exploring a gothic labyrinth. It is Faustian art par excellence.
>>123958576put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
So when you guys listen to stuff like Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Boulez, etc., is the enjoyment just aesthetic contemplation and formal appreciation, or you actually get an emotional response to it too?
>>123958606both.
>>123958606the point of western art music is that those two things are one and the same.
>>123958606https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIEZlfq_cgoHard not to come away with an emotional response from this
>>123958607Hmm alright, maybe it'll click for me eventually then, because even the stuff I enjoy seems to be emotional opaque for me currently.>>123958618Well, coming from a deeper interest and understanding of literature, in my experience there's lots of stuff in that art form which is beautiful almost entirely in a formal play space, similar to like how a sequence of chess moves can be beautiful but lacking any emotional resonance, so I thought perhaps the more 'unconventional' stuff in music may be the same way.
>>123958673>there's lots of stuff in that art form which is beautiful almost entirely in a formal play spacewell yes, of course that applies to classical music. a great example is the same max reger that the pedophile kraut is obsessed with, formally and motivically brilliant but utterly repulsive emotionally. on the other hand, the emotions in pieces like the berg violin concerto, lyric suite, or schoenberg’s pierrot lunaire are not emotionally hard to discern, while those pieces are also at the apex of motivic coherence.
>>123958696I have a fever, and the only prescription is more chromatic sludge.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLxBPtMsNychttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FigR4qLfph0
>>123958731didn’t ask, pedophile kraut. put your trip back on and stop fucking dogs.
>>123958672Damn, that's pretty great. Funny enough Leinsdorf's 9th was gonna be the next one I listened to.>>123958696Well said, thanks. Do you think a lot of that kind of music requires some technical music knowledge in order to access its emotional content? If so that might be my issue. There's even a lot of Bartok that I get nothing emotionally from, sadly.
>>123958576I get that, it is interesting, and I prefer Reger to Mahler, but the relation between the latter's harmony and form does seem a lot more 'natural' than in Reger. My ears can't help but hear a kind of disjunction between form and harmony in Reger, as if it's composite rather than a whole.
>>123958566Is methadone a permanent thing, presuming that you're getting off heroine, or does the addiction go away?
>>123958772no, not really. the point of expressionism is that harmony translates to emotion in a direct and visceral manner. >>123958775reger’s output is essentially every criticism levied against brahms but actually true.
>>123958792>reger’s output is essentially every criticism levied against brahms but actually true.I think it was already in Brahms a little bit, but Reger ran with it 1000x.
>>123958787There's a lot I could go on regarding that question but I don't wanna clog up by discussing it here, so I'll just say it depends. When you get fully hooked on opiates, or really any drug, it basically rewires your brain to create that sensation of a mental craving. By tapering off of methadone (taking less and less over a period of a time until you eventually are taking next to nothing, then jumping off), you can indeed heal that damage. However, for some who are more predisposed to substance addiction, they will have inherent brain structures leading to the desire to want to use, and that won't heal as it's their default, so that's where things like going to meetings and such come into play as a way to deal with lifelong cravings. Those kinds of people could instead take methadone for life. I'm probably a lifer, yeah. Fine by me though, has a lot of benefits for me and I don't mind having to take a medication everyday.
now playingstart of Geschwinde, ihr wirbelnden Winde, BWV 201https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOs7Uo51R0&list=OLAK5uy_nAKkKbMRe_Wr9urPOjnlsIZnrBVN4DDGY&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nAKkKbMRe_Wr9urPOjnlsIZnrBVN4DDGY
Man continuo is so boring often. Are there any harpsichordists that do something creative with their playing? I hate it when a piece has continuo and the harpsichordist is just smashing down chords on the bassline and sometimes playing an arpeggio, isnt there more freedom to continuo than that?
So any of you play an instrument? Starting piano lessons as an old man is fun but also the prospects are grim. How much can you advance in your 40s? Anyway any favorite piano pieces to start musical appreciation?
Now listening
>>123958866Interesting, I didn't know much about this subject before so I'm glad to learn more about it. Wish you all the best on the road to sobriety anon!
https://youtu.be/awLkK-9lTBg?si=pL-_EtOKyVRol6Sd*brutally mogged every other mid century composer when he was 80*
>>123959355start with the keyboard suites by Handel and Burgmuller.
>>123957023Anons, what Beethoven piano sonata should I learn? I have played the second movement of No. 8 'Pathetique' but am generally more into Mozart. Maybe No. 19 to get an understanding of his style?
>>12396044429
Classical music is shit, it fails to capture all vibes. It especially lacks in being concise, visceral, and unwilling to break with form even in its most experimental takes. Also classical is much easier to make than pop, prog or any real contemporary genre of modern music, that's why composers have 100s of works while bands like Radiohead put real time and effort. While there's popular music that's equally as lazy, there's also popular music that takes far more into consideration for various reasons like:1. You got a lot less to work with because you have to be concise; adding/removing parts is a much more important decision2. Your instrumentation is atypical relative to concerto, quartet, symphony orchestra setups3. The complexities of mixing, mastering, and production techniques in generalThere is 70 times more work put into pop than amy of your favorite composers do in their careers. You can cope but it is 200% true
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>>123960587why do you suck cocks?
>>123957086>underrating the Notre Dame school
>>123957086Is it true that Karajan's Honegger is the best?
Is Brahms better than Beethoven?
>>123961252Lol haha no, that's practically sacrilege.
>>123961394His fourth symphony is better than all Beethoven symphonies.He is the best chamber music composer of all time.His opuses 116, 117, 118 and 119 are better than Beethoven's piano sonatas.He never composed a bad opera, unlike Beethoven.
>>123961609Everything you said is wrong, you're a fucking idiot.
>>123942262https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBs1HkNTK5s
>>123961252Of course not. Wagner, Brahms and Schubert are the britney spears of 19th century music.
>>123961609Melodically I hate how Brahms rips off Schubert.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hNOcvSOYTM
>>123961609Brahmsfags are intolerable.
>>123961975Dark chocolate confirmed to be reddit food
>>123961975for me it's Bach, Beethoven, and Wagner. They are divine intervention tier.
>vagnercucks already seething
>>123959461Thanks :) Fortunately the methadone works really well on that front so I've been good since I've been on it.
So now that the dust has settled, who has the best set of Scriabin's piano sonatas?
W. A. Mozart - Symphony No.2 in B-flat majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61v2N-LMC5w
>>123959384Josquin is based
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPywgL54xo
>>123961867Examples?
>>123962747Yep, pretty gud
>Patrician: Albums by single composer, same performer>Connoisseur: Albums by single performer, assorted composers>Peasant: Albums by assorted performers and composers>Serf: Spotify "classical music" playlist
>>123963292>Connoisseur: Albums by single performer, assorted composersSometimes the best performance of a piece is coupled with something else, for example Argerich's Rach 3 with Tchai 1, which by itself, is a patrician choice for recordings, so you are incorrect in that regard.
>>123961058i don’t know about the best, but his 2 and 3 are pretty good. >>123963359>slaveslop>patricianLMFAOOOOOOO
what do we think of Berio
>>123961058For the 2nd, probably.For the 3rd he's up there but he loses a few points for burying the piano so much. He's still damn good, but I have a mild preference for Mravinsky's. Which also comes with my favorite MSPC, such a great album
>put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>123964185stop ban evading and put your trip back on, groomer germ
>>123964363woof woof
>>123964390yes, we know you want to fuck dogs, now put your trip back on and stop ban evading, kiddydiddler kraut
>>123964410woof kraut woof kraut woof
>>123964448you can stop repeating the sounds you make while fucking dogs and put your trip back on, boyloving bavarian.
Here you go sisterposterhttps://www.eroticabyclohi.com/faqs/how-to-have-sex-with-a-dog/
>>123958696Pseudo intellectual post
>>123964468i’m sure the pedo kraut already has this entire page memorized by heart.
>>123964487numbskull post
>>123964490It’s for you
>>123964520no thanks, i’m not a german dogfucker.
>>123964535It’s not just for Germans
>>123964566i’m not a pedophile dogfucker either fortunately.
>>123964584Ah you wait till the puppies grow up-very wise
>>123964661not quite, thankfully, it may surprise you to learn that not everyone is into dogfucking like you are.
>>123964683Ah so you fuck them just on the cusp of adulthood- thank you for sharing
>>123964788schizophrenic delusions as usual.
The Bittersweet Symphony https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74&pp=ygUYdGhlIGJpdHRlcnN3ZWV0IHN5bXBob255
Sergei was an aristocrat. Practicing incest further proves it.
>>123964930>this is what passes for aristocracy in slavelandLOL
let's start the day with<-----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv22N23QkPwOne of my favorite symphonies to start welcome any day with, really. The 1st, 3rd, and 4th are all great for that.
>>123962246a mix of Hamelin and Ohlsson.
>>123964972racist
>>123965184only insofar as one can be racist towards vermin.
Even more racist posts
/queen/
>>123957023For me, it's the cello cto
>OH GADZOOKS ZOUNDS IS THAT A GERMAN COMPOSER???????? IS THAT A DEUTSCHENVOLKEN SYMPHONIC COMPOSER OF EPIC GRANDEUR FROM THE COMMON CLASSICAL PERIOD??? OH MY SWEET HECKIN' CRUDDERS THIS IS SZECHUAN SAUCE AND WELTSEELE ON HORSEBACK WITH THE TRUMPETS AND THE PARPING AND THE BOGGY FART NOISES THE GRANDEUR IS SIMPLY INDELIBLE THE EPIC PIANO TINKLING FOLLOWED BY THE GRAND DEUTSCHEN TUBA FART WHAT AN INEFFABLE MUSIC
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>>123965516Heil!
>>123965516Based as fuck.
"The Greatest Recordings EVER" series is where Uncle Dave has gone definitively off the rails. Some of his choices areobvious bait.
>>123965084>OhlssonOh, neat, wasn't familiar with this guy or his Scriabin recordings. Just added them all and will listen to some of it today, thanks! Lewd album cover for this one.
>to hear Brahms's music on an instrument like the Streicher is to realize that the thick textures we associate with his work, the sometimes muddy chords in the bass and the occasionally woolly sonorities, come cleaner and clearer on a lighter, straight-strung piano. Those textures, then, are not a fault of Brahms's piano composition. To be sure, any sensitive pianist can avoid making Brahms sound murky on a modern piano. The point is that the modern pianist must strive to avoid that effect, must work at lightening the dark colors, where Brahms himself, playing his Streicher, did not have to work at itMakes you think
It's good that people are starting to attack the 4 honorary bogbillies (Liszt, Berlioz, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky) and realizing their music is bad. Who knows, it might be a vital stepping stone to leaving the bog.
Dvorak's chamber music is underrated>>123965748well it's Scriabin its gotta be a little lewd
>>123965728such as?not that I disagree with you, I just wanna know what specifically made you realize it
>>123965816because incels are perverts?
>>123965775>Lisztfine. Not great at all, not awful either. Generally, he is just not worth thinking much about.>Berliozcomplete retard. Has like two good works at most.>>123965775>Tchaikovskythird-to-second tier composer. Better than Liszt>Stravinskybest one here. still not great.
>>123965816>Dvorak's chamber music is underratedAgreed. Actually, thinking on that, I might revisit the entirety of his string quartet cycle, been a while. Just gotta find the right recording set.
>>123965039Holy... this is one of the best 3rds I've ever heard. Sinopoli and the Philharmonia Orchestra do a great job of emphasizing the vibrancy of the colorful, kaleidoscopic work. Utterly enchanting.
>>123965827Bartók's MSPC by Saint-Martin-in-the-Fields/Marriner for one
>>123965816>>123966054Anyone familiar with and have any thoughts on pic related?
>>123965728The video where someone told him about the bassoon in Haydn's 93rd was the worstGiving Hurwitz an excuse to talk about shit and farts is like tossing chum to a shark pool
>>123966152Just go with Panocha
>>123966152I'm very happy with the Prague String Quartet's cycle. I remember giving that one a shot and not liking it for some reason.
>>123966203But I've already heard (and really enjoy) that one :( I have a problem of always wanting to try unfamiliar recordings as often as I can.>>123966245Oh? Noted, thank you.
>>123966190>The video where someone told him about the bassoon in Haydn's 93rd was the worstdo tell us
>>123965775>>123965859These composers, especially the most talented among them, Tchaikovsky, will be remembered for centuries as they currently are remembered, loved and cherished by people, musicians, musicologists and alike. Nothing more a man could achieve in his life than being remembered for Pathetique symphony. I will continue to immensely enjoy his first-tier symphonies and ballets and at least an A tier concertos for the rest of my life.
>>123966308>t. Tibla cabbage-eater
>>123966308thank you incestuous boylover
>>123965343I hate these faggots like you wouldn't believe
>>123965343>she will never dress up as Sailor Moon and make fun of my tiny penisits just not fair
>>123966457lol
>>123966446woof boylover woof
>>123966470put your trip back on, pedophile dogfucker kraut
Yuja Wanghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbEtk1kdYx4&ab_channel=sal50811Left hand only lets you keep your right hand free
>>123963383>>123963938Thanks, I've been starting to get into him. Any other Honegger recording recs from anyone ITT would be very welcome.
>put your trip back on, pedophile dogfucker kraut
>>123966485
>>123966506stop dumping pics from your wank stash and put your trip back on, groomer (both dog and child) germ
>>123966544>>123966477be quiet dog or you will end as an asian pianist food
>>123965775>bogbilliesWhat are you talking about? Is this is some zoomer slang? And people have always (wrongly) attacked those composers-if anything they're easier targets for some
>>123966581bogposting is an old /classical/ meme inspired by a specific poster
now playingstart of String Quartet No. 11 in C Major, Op. 61, B. 121https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp8pTBYJuFQ&list=OLAK5uy_mR-XhTjSp4lcIwXg6VKaG91IJxGxePdAA&index=2start of String Quartet No. 8 in E Major, Op. 80, B. 57https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lko6UpaOn2E&list=OLAK5uy_mR-XhTjSp4lcIwXg6VKaG91IJxGxePdAA&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mR-XhTjSp4lcIwXg6VKaG91IJxGxePdAA
>>123965039The final movement of Mahler's 3rd sounds like Bruckner at his very best.
>>123966566stop ban evading pedophile kraut or the gestapo will line you up and execute you for being a dogfucker
>applause after every track>tired pepe.jpg.flac
>>123966760woof ban evading woof
>>123966783i’d be tired from celibatedouche alone>>123966823yes, that’s you, pedophile kraut. stop ban evading.
>>123966830I'm actually gonna try his Schumann in a little bit, read a review on another recording that was praising it. Plus slow Schumann sounds like it could be quite interesting.
>>123966878interesting in the same way that a train derailment is interesting, maybe
>>123966905Schumann's symphonies get old pretty quick, I'll take anything that spices it up. That's why I prefer Bernstein's cycle over Sawallisch's, even though the latter's is pretty much ideal as far as the standard approach goes, as everyone conducts Schumann that way.
>>123966950>Schumann's symphonies get old pretty quickLiteral brainlet moment
Is there anything like Stokowski's recording of Brahms' 4th Symphony for Brahms' 2nd and 3rd? Blisteringly fast, basically.
Best recording of Gaspard de la Nuit? Who's the best Ravel interpreter (no hiss or coughing please, this Argerich recordig is ruined by the shitty audience)
>>123967118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkljhmCNqV8
>>123967150Did you even read my post? Thanks for the effort I guess but I'm not listening to that.
>>123967118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIBOwg8NGmA&list=OLAK5uy_mMwUDohE_pthaI1HcT1GXji76X1_-tDLY&index=1
>>123967176lucas debargue then, jeezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3TnVgTcikA
>>123967197Thank you. Everyone is hyping old, awful recordings of this piece for some reason.
Ravel sucks cock (literally)
>>123967228Cheers!>>123967231Interesting. Does he suck more than you?
>>123967229The more hiss there is to drown out Ravel's music the better; just kidding, hope you enjoy!
>>123967118It's impossible to listen to Classical music without coughing
>>123967265kek
>variations form
>solo piano or solo guitar music>loud breathingThis is unacceptable why do these records even have listeners
>>123965497It do be like that sometimes
>>123967357O_O
>Ravel commented to Arthur Honegger, one of Les Six, "I've written only one masterpiece – Boléro. Unfortunately there's no music in it."WDHMBT?
now playingstart of Mozart: Missa (solemnis) in C minor, K.139 "Waisenhausmesse"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov6Td-OQFP4&list=OLAK5uy_knB81QRh3YMLeCZlwUn78ZqfoWIhhrAOk&index=2start of Mozart: Mass in C, K.257 "Credo"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7A34qlEZd8&list=OLAK5uy_knB81QRh3YMLeCZlwUn78ZqfoWIhhrAOk&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_knB81QRh3YMLeCZlwUn78ZqfoWIhhrAOk
The more choral music I listen to, the more and more I realize just how far ahead Bach was in terms of his genius and composing ability in that genre.
Craft’s assertions have prompted criticism from some scholars.In a chapter in “Discoveries,” Craft writes, “Ravel and Stravinsky were, of all artists, the most successful in concealing their sexuality. The two were time-to-time lovers....” He further states that Stravinsky had affairs with composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov’s eldest son, Andrey, and with the Belgian composer Maurice Delage.
>>123967101walter’s entire mono brahms cycle is blisteringly fast
>>123967409I don't believe this quote is real. In case it is, it's just probably Ravel being overly humble.
Ravel - Alborada del graciosohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bqkq0mmFoY&ab_channel=wocomoMUSIC
I feel like I need annotations to listen to Shostakovich's 15th symphony, so many quotations from other composers and works.
>>123967580ty
The Sorcerer's Apprenticehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_bdguZEI8Q&ab_channel=EuroArtsChannel
Some general questions for /classical/ anons>When did you start listening to classical music?>Are you familiar with the most of standard repertoire/"big" composers?>Do you prefer exploring new pieces or different recordings more nowdays?>How much music theory do you understand?Just curious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9innP474tko&ab_channel=RichardBobo
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 5 in B flat majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=858JzTrwKTc&list=OLAK5uy_kEe5SxKl_SFW26PImoymkS1BSnXVfQrpQ&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kEe5SxKl_SFW26PImoymkS1BSnXVfQrpQ
>>123967847>When did you start listening to classical music?at 12>Are you familiar with the most of standard repertoire/"big" composers?yeah>Do you prefer exploring new pieces or different recordings more nowdays?different recordings>How much music theory do you understand?0 as in zero
>>123967847By my own, roughly 2 years ago. I had heard Mozart and Beethoven before obviously.Far from it, I'm slow.New pieces for now, but I do both.I know all the basics and voice leading rules, currently studying counterpoint, but my knowledge is very limited at the moment.
>>123967847>When did you start listening to classical music?~16/17 but it's been on/off, with some years without since>Are you familiar with the most of standard repertoire/"big" composers?yes>Do you prefer exploring new pieces or different recordings more nowdays?recordings>How much music theory do you understand?Absolute zero. Couldn't tell you what a fugue is, much less identify one.
>>123968117>Couldn't tell you what a fugue isMelody, then another melody 5/4/3 tone above and so forth, it's just interweaving of different melodies that sound good together (harmony).
>>123968181>different melodiesI mean imitative* melodies, but yeah that's the simple definition of a Fugue
>>123968284>>123968181Thanks. How does that differ from what they do in sonatas, symphonies, and other works where they do similar melody->variation stuff? Or is that the same, but it's only singular piano works that are called a Fugue?
>>123968347ChatGPT wrote a better explanation in just a few seconda than I would in few minutes.1. Subject (Main Melody): The fugue starts with a single melody, called the subject. This is the main theme of the piece.2. Imitation in Other Voices: After the first voice finishes playing the subject, another voice enters with the same subject, but usually at a different pitch level (often a 5th higher or lower). This process continues as more voices come in, each one playing the subject.3. Counterpoint: While one voice is introducing the subject, other voices don't stay silent—they continue to play different melodies (called countersubjects or just free counterpoint) that fit well with the subject. These melodies aren't the same, but they harmonize and work together.4. Development: Once all voices have introduced the subject, the composer starts to develop the material by altering the subject, moving it to different keys, or combining it with new melodies. But the subject always remains important.5. Harmony Through Melodies: Instead of using traditional chords, the harmonies in a fugue come from the way the different melodies combine. These melodies sound independent, but they fit together beautifully, creating a rich, layered texture.Aa for Sonatas, they are a completely different form, I'd suggest watching videos to better grasp their structure, or ask GPT
>>123968347>>123968512Here's a nice explanation of the fuguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFt7FAxdaBM
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_CM3DII5qE
Woman laughing with Contrabassoon edition
Schutzhttps://youtu.be/8W-FBE3qDPQ
I'd like to hear more answers to >>123967847 pretty please!
Bach-Malloch Art of Fuguing is not on Rutracker :((Anyone knows where I can find a torrent for it except for private trackers?
>In the interim, I have acquired performances by Barbirolli, Sherchen, Walter, Leinsdorf, Kubelik, and John Philip Solti.>John Philip Soltilol
>>123968512>>123968607thanks
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3QHmaL4bWA&list=OLAK5uy_n3zNXd-RDPlhXbRWfRstaZfc2CKoDmb7Y&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3zNXd-RDPlhXbRWfRstaZfc2CKoDmb7YAlso, favorite recordings for Handel's Samson?
>(in the interview on CD 13, Boulez expresses his disdain for unpitched percussion in general, considering rhythm and timbre alone to be insufficiently communicative compared to pitched instruments, thus explaining the lack of any surviving Boulez compositions for percussion alone).Boulez was a conservative.
>>123967847>When did you start listening to classical music?at 10>Are you familiar with the most of standard repertoire/"big" composers?yes.>Do you prefer exploring new pieces or different recordings more nowdays?different recordings but I do try to keep up with recent events.>How much music theory do you understand?all of it. test me.
What's the most recently composed great symphony?
>>123969900provide T6 of the following set class in its normal form8 0 6 3 1
>>123969941define great.I would choose Rautavaara's 8th (1999).
>>123969988lol I debated using a different word. I just mean good in your opinion, not great as in culturally and artistically significant. And thanks, will check it out.
>>12396998602679V = p3mns2dt2
>>123970045i meant convert the set class to normal form and then provide T6, but close enough.
>>123970108also, its harmonic function is AbV11.
>>123970132that’s not a harmonic function, that’s just a way of spelling the set as a triadic chord.
>>123970146and the prime form of its seven-tone projection is 0124679.
>>123970223what the fuck is a seven tone projection?
>>123970244when you are writing music in a scale, and you want to add more tones later on without changing the character or sonority of the music it is helpful to know about scale projections.example - six tone projection of the major triad:C, D, E, G, G#, Bthis scale contains three major triads:C, E, GE, G#, BG, B, D
>>123970347this has nothing to do with set theory though.
>>123970366it does and anyone who claims to know set theory should be aware of it. The projection of a scale with less than six tones is equivalent to the transposition of the inverse of its complementary scale.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_5_k2e2cXo
>>123970399the prime form of the complementary set is 0 1 2 4 5 7 9, so no, whatever transformation process you’re using is not equivalent.
>>123961252I have been listening to classical since I was a wee lad, but never really paid attention. I like the way it sounds, and the emotions it can evoke. On top of that, I usually stick with the classics...Mozart, Beethoven maybe Chopin or Dvorak if I'm feeling kinky.I turned on Brahms the other night and holy moly. I feel like I've entered a whole new world of classical music. It doesn't just sound good, but for once in my life I feel like I can hear a story in the music, if that makes any sense. It's incredible - it's like he's taking me on a journey rather than just playing pleasant noise. Hats off to him.That's all, needed to tell somebody:)
>>123970434no, it's 0124679:(D, F#, A, C, G) + (A, C#, E, G, D)= DV11 + AV11= C, Db, D, E, F#, G, A= 0 1 2 4 6 7 9check your working, anon.
>>123970523that is not how you derive the complementary set you fucking moron. jesus christ, just when i was starting to think you might actually not be a bullshitting idiot.
>>123970472It's wild to me that people can go so long without having tried certain composers of the higher echelons. It's special in a way too, don't get me wrong, being able to experience Brahms for the first time and, unsurprisingly, loving it, but such a wild approach to things in the age of the internet, where you can go from reading someone's post about how great Brahms is to looking up critical and historical accounts of his genius to searching up his best and most acclaimed works to finding a highly lauded recording of one of them to downloading or streaming that very one in a matter of minutes.
>>123970540I was referring to the seven-tone projection of 80631 in prime form and I even explained how to find it in this post here:>>123970399
>>123970559and i repeat, it has nothing to do with set theory because nothing in set theory implies any sort of significance to fifths or thirds, and it is obviously unrelated to the prime form of the complementary set. you have forcibly mashed together 2 unrelated concepts and are now trying to pass it off as totally relevant to the former.
>>123970576apologies. I'm used to using a unified theory.
>>123970612first time i’ve ever seen you admit to being wrong, pedo kraut. against all odds, you may well be redeemable yet.
>>123970146Explain to the folks what harmonic function is
>>123970636I admitted that you're a close-minded goal post shifting autistic piece of shit, TJ.
>>123965752Yeah, it's one of the reasons I tend to like older pianists playing Brahms' piano works. Those late 19th century / early 20th century pianos all had different and unique sounds by comparison to the homogenous Steinways we all have these days
>>123970663can't be bothered.
>>123970663harmonic function implies that there is some sort of functional harmony (ie. tonic dominant relationships) at play, which is obviously not necessarily the case when discussing set theory. >>123970664so it’s bullshit to point out that your set class derivation that’s totally irrelevant to set theory is in fact not equivalent to the prime form of the complementary set? lmfaoooo
>>123970713yes, I combined set theory with harmonic functions theory. so fucking what? I'm used to looking at things from multiple angles.
>>123970744yeah, except that your combined result is not in fact equivalent to the prime form of the complementary set like you claimed. in other words, you were wrong.
fuck this place. I'm too tired to continue arguing.
>>123970789That's the beauty of 4chan, you can just stop replying, I do it all the time.
>>123970789i accept your concession, i’m glad we both agree for once that you were wrong.
brahms
>>123971316truhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cunuI6DiOqs&list=OLAK5uy_lbRjOVZ6AstREf1JCMP28sL9Ze7HXwfjo&index=9
>>123957023did annerose schmidt ever receive worthy master for her mozart concertos? i dont like the way berlin classics sound...
>>123970669>older pianistsAs in older recordings?
now playingTsar Boris: Overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNGMfPR04_c&list=OLAK5uy_kKKvmpLvavePuB3EmQVf-Y_vsYsgYJKwQ&index=2start of Symphony No. 2 in A Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3qUwtK6lLk&list=OLAK5uy_kKKvmpLvavePuB3EmQVf-Y_vsYsgYJKwQ&index=3The Cedar and the Palmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZhm787Dwbc&list=OLAK5uy_kKKvmpLvavePuB3EmQVf-Y_vsYsgYJKwQ&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKKvmpLvavePuB3EmQVf-Y_vsYsgYJKwQ
>>123972932Do you have a yt radio station or what
>>123972980Nah, just like to share on here, maybe spur some discussion, get a reply that someone else liked it too. The secret is I get a small enjoyment out of seeing how neat and formal the post looks, especially with the album cover because people almost never posted album covers when I started browsing here, but don't tell anyone that.
>>123973023I pay a lot of attention to covers. A good album with a bad cover bothers me. In another thread I talked about making custom covers for live recordings without one, to have something nice (to my tastes) in my collection.
>>123973068Fully agree. Where are those live recordings coming from anyway that they don't have any cover? Like, don't all official releases have a cover of some kind? Are they bootlegs? Or are the covers just some generic boilerplate and you're replacing it with something custom?
>>123972906Older recordings usually, yesThere's also some modern recordings which use older pianos and those sound quite nice for Brahms
>>123973132Well don't tease us, what are they!? I need some variety from Kovacevich and Katchen, great as their Brahms is.
Norman Mahler, Gustav Mailer
Plebs, all of you
Anyone play the traverso?Is there an easy repertoire to play? I was thinking of just playing graded recorder pieces but I'm not sure whether it'd be extremely difficult to transpose
It's taken me a while to finally accept this fact: Brahms' A German Requiem > Beethoven's Missa Solemnis
>>123973285gayest operas ever only behind Verdi
>>123973705they don’t even exist in the same universe lol, the missa solemnis is head and shoulders above basically every other choral work in existence.
>>123973776beethoven faggotry not even once
>>123973779>beethoven faggotryyou mean like literally every composer who was born after beethoven, including and especially brahms?
>>123973799no, I mean like being enough of a faggot to think Beethoven's faggy romantic mass is better than even the average real renaissance mass
>>123973815>he thinks beethoven is a romanticLMFAOalso yes, beethoven absolutely does a better job of text setting than the renaissance masters, and it’s not like his counterpoint is significantly worse either.
>>123973776I figured you'd have it about the German Requiem but not even the same universe? That surprises me. Heads and shoulders above Mass in B minor and St Matthew Passion? No way. Better is fine but not that much better.
>>123973776>>123973848above*, not about
>>123973848the mass in b minor is honestly not very good as far as text setting goes. half of the numbers were not even originally written for the text of the mass, the text was imposed over already existing music after the fact. the music is brilliant in spite of it, but that doesn’t change the fact that a mass written exclusively for the text is going to be superior in text setting than one that isn’t.
can the next thread be a Babbitt edition?thanks in advance.
>>123973873it appears the pedophile kraut really has always been into fucking dogs. if only we saw the signs earlier
>>123973880barking up the wrong tree.
>>123973884fucking the wrong dog? or is there no wrong dog for you?
>>123973858That's a decent argument. For me how I rank and compare choral masterpieces is how the amount of blemishes they have; Missa Solemnis, and St Matthew Passion too, might reach the sublime peaks of music more often than Mass in B minor or German Requiem, but it also has a few dull or at least lesser moments, SMP even more so, whereas Mass in B minor and German Requiem are, to my ears, perfect from beginning to end.
>>123973886not sure what Schenkerianism has to do with /classical/. maybe try >>>/b/ instead?
>>123973918i don’t hear a single dull moment in the missa solemnis; on the other hand i question whether or not the very pretty music bach wrote for the et spiritum sanctum portion of the credo matches the text in any shape or form. likewise with recycling the same chorus for the gratias agimus tibi and the dona nobis pacem. compare this to the missa solemnis, which, like the renaissance masters, recycled 0 music to a fault, even when it would make sense (the qui tollis in the gloria and the corresponding text in the agnus dei). i don’t think the brahms requiem should even be in the same discussion because it’s not a setting of a remotely similar text. it’s honestly more at home in a discussion of sacred cantatas and oratorios over settings of actual liturgical text. >>123973955not sure what fucking dogs while screwing up set theory has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/trash/ instead?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wmvX_RVvjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMJbUSMkj3Y
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VobY-bDmzsQ&list=OLAK5uy_lFiUFtL2WbIb3Vclv82_ypeWB3XqdNIC8&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lFiUFtL2WbIb3Vclv82_ypeWB3XqdNIC8Scriabin's music wasn't quite hitting the spot tonight, so maybe Faure will instead. His Nocturnes would probably be more appropriate for slowly drifting into sleep but been far too long since I last heard his Barcarolles so here we are.
solo harpsichord sucks so bad
>>123975357No, it sounds great.
>>123975380inferior to the piano
>>123975406No, an alternative to the piano. Dynamics isn't always necessity (e.g. a Fugue) in music. If you are soft-ear boomer who can't appreciate music in heavier, louder forms, it is a (You) problem. Harpsichord is one of the best instruments, with the most unique timbre.
>>123975558The piano is objectively a superior instrument for virtually everything but the (very rare) keyboard concerti. You cannot clarify the motivic polyphony of a Bach fugue on a harpsichord, nor can you accentuate the myriad thematic contrasts of a Scarlatti sonata on a harpsichord, whereas the dynamically flexible clavichord presents difficulties of intonation and a volume that is utterly unfit for public performances.
>>123975625>You cannot clarify the motivic polyphony of a Bach fugue on a harpsichordI guess if you're deaf. Goldberg Variations sound the best on Harpsichord, and most fugues sound good both on harpsichord and piano.
>>123973285>Bayer Roundfuckehe
why did annerose boeck play under the pseudonym annerose schmidt? was it an appeal to jewish owners of recording and mastering studios?
schnittke>>>scriabin>>>bach>>>schoenberg,werbern,berg>>mozart>>>>>>>>all else
>>123976488Just awful
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>>123976109How is Schmidt a Jewish name??
>>123977064good question! it happens to be a very common last name for germans who are also jews.
>>123977365Bullshit. Here's some basic facts for you.Schmidt = blacksmith.Blacksmiths historically belonged to guilds.Guilds did not allow Jews to become members.Hence Schmidt is NOT a common name for Jewish people.
>>123977454my father once said to me that some people have better insight into the world because their brains are wired in such a way to help them excel. as he was saying this to me he had looked down upon me with great pity. it has been ten years since that encounter and i have grown a fair bit, enough to know what he was trying to tell me. basically it's important to be humble and humiliate yourself for it's the only way that i am able to grow as a person since i lack the essential qualities of which you have so eloquently demonstrated.
>>123977618Kill yourself
