Walton editionhttps://youtu.be/Qg1tCLDHOCY?list=OLAK5uy_lUoZKeuhOgaahAsW-NQHn-VO2CFOrA73wThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh (embed)Previous thread: >>124031124
/classical/'s favorite piece of every decade AS DECIDED BY VOTE:1580s: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - Canticum Canticorum1590s: William Byrd - My Ladye Nevells Booke1600s: Claudio Monteverdi - L'Orfeo1610s: Carlo Gesualdo - Tenebrae Responsoria1620s: Samuel Scheidt - Tabulatura Nova1630s: Girolamo Frescobaldi - Fiori Musicali1640s: Giacomo Carissimi - Jephte1650s: Heinrich Schutz - Symphoniae Sacrae III1660s: Francesco Cavalli - Ercole Amante1670s: Jean-Baptiste Lully - Cadmus et Hermione1680s: Henry Purcell - Dido & Aeneas1690s: A. Corelli - Twelve Trio-Sonatas, Op. 41700s: A. Scarlatti - Il Mitridate Eupatore1710s: F. Couperin - Second Livre de Pieces de Clavecin1720s: J. S. Bach - The Well-Tempered Clavier Book I1730s: G. B. Pergolesi - Stabat Mater1740s: C. P. E. Bach - Wurttemberg Sonatas1750s: J. S. Bach - The Art of Fugue1760s: C. W. Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice1770s: Joseph Haydn - String Quartets, Op. 201780s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphony No. 411790s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem1800s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 31810s: Gioachino Rossini - The Barber of Seville1820s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 91830s: Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique1840s: Mikhail Glinka - Ruslan and Lyudmila1850s: Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B Minor1860s: Johannes Brahms - A German Requiem1870s: Richard Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen1880s: Richard Wagner - Parsifal1890s: Giacomo Puccini - La Boheme1900s: Richard Strauss - Elektra1910s: Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 91920s: Alban Berg - Wozzeck1930s: Edgard Varese - Ionisation1940s: Olivier Messiaen - Turangalila Symphony1950s: Pierre Boulez - Le Marteau Sans Maître1960s: Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte1970s: Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 11980s: Gérard Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques1990s: Brian Ferneyhough - Terrain2000s: Georges Aperghis - Avis de Tempête2010s: Andrew Norman - Play2020s: William Bland - Piano Sonata No. 17
Thoughts on Bruckner's 9th completions?
>>124046154for the most part awful except the most recent SPCM revision, which still has not been recorded aside from a livestream from some shitty fourth rate amateur orchestra.
>>124046141Music seems to stop existing after the 1940s.
Does anyone remember the Vagner meme
>>124046154i feel like i could turn the second movement of this into a rap beat fr fr, be a legit banger
Going to Don Giovanni this monthDon't spoil it please!!!lol
>>124046275Nice! Who's performing?
"Every phrase, line, and chord, and beat went over and over the way you'd exactly expect it would--trite, tiresome awnings of platitudes, all a nice mixture of Grieg, Wagner and Tchaikovsky" - Charles Ives on Sibelius"I found [the Second Symphony] vulgar, self-indulgent, and provincial beyond all description. I realize that there are sincere Sibelius-lovers in the world, though I must say I've never met one among educated professional musicians." - Virgil Thomson on Sibelius"If Sibelius is good, then the standards of musical quality as richness of relationships, articulation, unity in manifoldness, diversity in oneness, which perennate from Bach to Schoenberg, are obsolete." - Adorno on Sibelius"Later, the composer, theorist and conductor René Leibowitz went so far as to describe Sibelius as "the worst composer in the world" in the title of a 1955 pamphlet."
>>124046322they were all right
What's the best work written in D minor? Bach Partita for Violin no. 2? Brahms Piano Concerto no. 1? Mozart's Requiem?
>>124046349Oh, forgot to link to help anyone:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Compositions_in_D_minor
On July 1, 1907, Marcel Proust organized a short concert to follow a festive dinner at the Ritz in Paris. The program, with its interweaving of Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and protomodern strands, exemplifies the impeccable taste of one of the most musically attuned writers in literary history:Fauré: Violin Sonata No. 1Beethoven: Andante [unspecified]Schumann: “Des Abends”Chopin: Prélude [unspecified]Wagner: “Meistersinger” PreludeChabrier: “Idylle”Couperin: “Les Barricades mystérieuses”Fauré: Nocturne [unspecified]Wagner: Liebestod from “Tristan”Fauré: Berceuse
>>124046349I am just listening to Liszt's Beethoven 9 and I was JUST thinking about it being in D minor, before I saw this post, what a coincidence lol.And of course it is Beethoven's 9th.
>>124046381>Chopin: Prélude [unspecified]so much for good taste.
>>124046322sibelius looked like that????
>>124046385Oh derp, don't know how I forgot about that one lol, yeah it's gotta be that>>124046381Faure and Proust go hand-in-hand, makes sense.
>>124046381I really liked all the little musical references in In Search of Lost Time.
So now that the dust has settled, what's the best or your favorite recording of Faure's Requiem?
>>124046284Not anglo, but he's a local guy and apparently with a lot of accolades.Wish it was the Magic Flute or Requiem but it's the dry season for operas here at this time.
>>124046427definitely not that one.
>>124046455Ah, very cool. Hope you enjoy.
What is the ice cream of /classical/ music?
>>124046459The problem is it's a work that doesn't seem to have been recorded by many traditional conductors, only choral gurus, and even then for the former you've only got, what, Jarvi and Dutoit? So once you've resigned yourself to listening to a recording from a choral specialist, Herreweghe is actually quite good. I mean there's Shaw and Cleobury and Andrew Davis, but Herreweghe can sometimes match their level.
>>124046459>>124046494Actually just saw Giulini has a recording. Interesting.
>>124046494Is that Herreweghe the one with the harmonium? That was a cute recording.
>>124046494it's a choral guru work, what do you expect? i'd take shaw or davis or herreweghe any day of the week.
>>124046518Even on Thursday?
>>124046518*i'd take shaw or davis over herreweghe any day of the week.>>124046528it seems so.
>>124046518Speaking of Davis, I just saw Colin Davis has a recording too. Gonna try that one. Got high hopes.>>124046514That's the one!
>>124046465Thanks. It's grown on me lately so I should.
>>124046349art of fugue
>>124046322Karajan-the most successful conductor of all time, was a Sibelius fan. Meanwhile you quotes two Jews and two literal who's
>>124046381Looks like one of the Chuckle Brothers>>124046735* quoted
>>124046735Karajan was the worst conductor of all time and the fact he was successful only proves this
Philip Glass Etude nO. 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eY3l7G5yjY&list=PLvkMXWdp6UNMd6-Zu8sHdasrqiplLQD8y&index=2&ab_channel=LaviniaMeijer-Topic
>>124046794>Karajan was the worst conductor of all timelollmao even
>>124046811>memespeakproved me right
>>124046794Cope
>>124046829with what, exactly?
>>124046848Karajan's superiority-cream rises to the top
Are Liszt's transcriptions of 9th and Tannhäuser harder than Rachmaninoff's 3rd?Just curious, which is more daunting for the pianist to perform?
>>124046876why would I be "coping" with that unless I'm a rival conductor or something? I just know he is shit so I say it like it is.
>>124046955Cope
>>124046989>>124046848
Glass Etude 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtjlIMEV5no&list=PLvkMXWdp6UNMd6-Zu8sHdasrqiplLQD8y&index=4&ab_channel=LaviniaMeijer-Topic
>>124047006>>124046989
>>124047017>>124046848
>>124046794>>124047033>Karajan was the most successful that just PROVES he was badThis is, as we say pure cope and fallacy. Especially since you'd probably say that Beethoven and Mozart's popularity is evidence of their quality.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BdGd7sgsKE&list=OLAK5uy_n0dr8I2K83M_0sMnTJXvSmRN6XiGaw49s&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0dr8I2K83M_0sMnTJXvSmRN6XiGaw49s
leave it to the wignat sisters to bat for the closest thing there was to a classical music industrial complex embodied in a single person.
Fantaisie Impromptu
>>124047126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swQY-xxIA4&list=OLAK5uy_n_WnH5fvPJswhjFp6qQffeicytwlGYBeA&index=1
>>124047154Fantastic recording. Karajan is the Beethoven of conductors.
Turinahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WspPjWOUNlU&list=OLAK5uy_krCPkrNsqJL83_bNnKEqI2ubaYL9xxqsw>>124047126leave it to shlomosister to ban evade
>>124047181Damn this sounds good, just grabbed a few different recordings of it. Saw one by the>Amigo String Quartetlol
It's a shame few people appreciate Philip Glasses' Etudes-they're astounding
>>124047141https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOzduEd8xygyes
>Yes, it is. It is very strange, but with our race and in our latitude, rhythmic control is the most difficult thing for a musician to achieve. There is hardly a musician among us who can play the same note five times without minor variations. Part of the fault is that rhythm is never taught correctly to young musicians. For the Negro or African, it comes naturally - this sense of rhythm. As for myself, I can tolerate wrong notes, but I cannot stand unstable rhythm. Perhaps I was born in Africa in another existence. Once in Vienna after we had finished a recording session, I surprised everyone by telling them I was going to hear a Louis Armstrong concert. When they asked why? I told them that to go to a concert and know that for two hours the music would not get faster or slower was a great joy to me.
>>124047205You should try the rest of the album, js bretty good.>Amigo String QuartetThey only have one recording, how odd.
>>124047077Beethoven and Mozart's evidence of quality certainly isn't their popularity. And even then, they're old enough that popularity is more relevant than with Karajan, who still has boomers cheering for him.
>>124047228But no rubato? Lack of pedalling? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgraaEKFLs
>>124047351No one asked tranny janny
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVwSCzdyzYA&list=OLAK5uy_nwfkXM5-qFA8ZOLmN0WGOUC6VT7UILzEI&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwfkXM5-qFA8ZOLmN0WGOUC6VT7UILzEI
>>124047351>LMFAOBest Triple Concerto you've ever heard?
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>>124047461Thank you for all of the wonderful music :)
>>124047393no one asked, obsessed wignat scizo>>124047420perhaps an even funnier lineup than the infamous karajan/richter/rostropovich/oistrakh recording. leave it to the meme man and the piss label to cook up absolutely absurd ideas for recordings.
>>124047461Gold label
>>124047461piss label
>>124047518>piss labelYet another case of an american being jealous of german culture. Deutsche Grammophon stands high above all.>inb4 "actually i'm not american by passport lol!"
>>124047564I'm not American at all I have been to the US twice in my life.
>>124047582You're not fooling anyone.
>>124047491>No u Great reply as always
>>124047599>if you know English then you're Americanare you, by any chance, retarded?
>>124047564Barenboim plays Soishart Piano Sonata 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrSsfYiI-_0&ab_channel=DanielFahimi
this is a naxos general tho
>>124047631I was replying to sisterjanny.
Karajan's Bach (:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5vYQXQtmj4&list=OLAK5uy_lydMRoXoqaA4uE1ra6Cg2NrbFrwg2vNX4&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QWSd0XXZME&list=OLAK5uy_lydMRoXoqaA4uE1ra6Cg2NrbFrwg2vNX4&index=11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7nnH1KHgbU&list=OLAK5uy_l3v0QJBRt8zLGx2ps2KsZhUd9RdlwlmSw&index=12
>>124046114W is for Walton
>>124044287no. It's either F# or C and the scale can be spelt as F#I11b5+b7 or CI11b5+b7.
>>124047701Crap
>>124047731>This is the shitftfy
>>124047614thanks wignat schizo>>124047644LOL what an embarrassing idiot. also not american btw. >>124047730no one asked, pedo kraut
>>124047730kys
true
>>124047808Indie Rock is my favorite composer
>>124047730E is the lowest note, therefore it's the bass
>>124047808Palestrina, outside of his countrapuntal skills and contribution, is a total joke.
>>124047763No one asked you trannyjanny
>>124047808Britten should be lower considering that he made a Death in Venice's opera.
>>124047859more or less true, yeah
>>124047878no one asked you wignat schizo>>124047808franck being on the same level as webern and cage is so fucking funny, like in what universe is this inaccessible or difficult to understand? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLH8kz2HBI0literally the only reason he's ranked so low is because he's obscure in today's repertoire due to a lack of exposure, which exposes this list for what it is—a circlejerk based on obscurity rather than any real musical qualities.
>>124047855not the fundamental bass/root though, which is what I asked for.
>>124047948no one asked, groomer germ
>we want the x-files audience
After listening to Grumiaux and Ferras a lot in the Berg VC, I think Ferras is still my overall choice. I just prefer his fiddling. The production values and orchestral finesse are on the side of the Grumiaux for sure, but Ferras is just so attuned to the emotional turmoil and romantic fingering (those portamenti!) that this work really benefits from. Grumiaux can come off as a bit genial and straight in some areas. Both are great recordings, though.
Peter Maxwell Davies: Eight Songs for a Mad Kinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8mod9wAtMM&list=PL5pa3kdRzhtMDigUpUZxqc1hTTVEeXNLx&ab_channel=TheWelleszCompany
>>124048001I did
favourite contemporary concert pianists?
>>124048024lol. post your worst covers.
>>124048024
>>124048025still haven't found the time to go through either recordings, but i probably will this weekend. they seem like very strong alternatives to the rather mediocre levine mutter. >>124048046you are indeed no one, yes.
>>124047381correct playing but boring sound
listenin to st matthew passionthis dude is singing so high its like a womanjust not naturalcant listen to this shidd knowing its a man
>>124048025Krasner/Webern is still the best onehttps://youtu.be/yjVTClpoDk4
>>124048094https://files.catbox.moe/tu246c.mp3
>>124048118webern's conducting may be good, but krasner's playing sucks and the orchestra is underrehearsed too.
We return to the Gould standard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yngstFiha3I&ab_channel=GlennGould
>>124048162i thought he hated mozart
>>124048172Gould was an autistic edge lord. don't take anything he said seriously.
I was watching a documentary on Wagner and they were speaking about how his music has a certain effect on people. There were these instances where people had lost their minds and killed themselves out of sheer Dionysian pleasure.
>>124048217it's the meth of music.
I like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-uss3ROo6Q
>>124048217Yeah, it did irreparable damage to Shlomosister.
>>124048172He thought that later Mozart had increasingly formulaic moments, but he didn't hate Mozart
K457-As Good as Gould https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SiVzBMkXYU&ab_channel=MiguelFontesMeira
Why are concertos rarely talked about as much as other forms of the canon? I don't ever see concertos being held in as high a regard as symphonies or operas
>>124048331sounds like a parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf5FnN5uu3I
>>124048331>>124048363>Listening to Mozart's piano sonatasLiterally his weakest piano repertoire
>>124048118I'm an old meme recording enthusiast and this has just never caught on with me. I think the most interesting thing about it is Webern's approach to tempo rubato which is extremely romantic and gives us a pretty good idea what his style may have been like overall. It also smashes the stereotype that these guys were all super serious modernists.
too bad Webern was shot by some retarded amerimutt
>>124048422That based solider must have heard Webern's work
>>124048445that soldier felt so guilty he killed himself
>>124048422
Dohnányihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3JJEa7OA98
>>124048422our hero
>>124048719>>124048445retarded
is there any legitimacy to HIPsters' claims or are traditional recordings as historically valid as HIP recordings?
>>124048780Define the claims. There are many HIP claims. Some of it authentic, some of it not.
>>124048808is the average HIP recording of someone playing continuo on a mozart piano concerto with vibrato-less strings closer to how it sounded at mozarts time or less than a traditional recording of that same work?
>>124046373I remember clicking this years ago and "Lick My Love Pump" by Spinal Tap was here
>>124048826The HIPsters generally have incorrect ideas on vibrato. I've written about that at length here:https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122753967/#122768283tl;dr there was less vibrato, but never no vibrato, and generally speaking there was more portamento in string playing, which is almost completely ignored in the modern HIP aesthetic.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWorjgYrmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2SvMeyeOgQ
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuHj_0P2qV4
best Bach cantatas?
Very based.
>>124049215too vague.
>>124049135BWV 4,12,18,21,30,36,41,46,49,51,54,56,61,62,71,76,78,80,82,84,94,106,114,127,131,134,137,140,147,150,154,163,169,170,174,181,188,198,202 and secular cantatas
weaponized autism:>>124049333
>>124049215very vague intonation
>>124049135I asked this question once before and took a pic of the reply.
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SLZbDH_RGIrevival harpsichords are weird
>>124049492It sounds like the music that plays on loop at the King's castle of an early 90s RPG
now playingstart of Fauré: Piano Quintet No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 89https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qu74-7oNlA&list=OLAK5uy_l7tFAW4QoA-aIvtd8Stjf1z4N_ibdKAKM&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l7tFAW4QoA-aIvtd8Stjf1z4N_ibdKAKM
I DON'T LIKE TO LISTEN TO ELGAR, TOO MUCH, ONLY As a treat, and this Symphony in E-Flat IS a treat!!! It is REEELY BIG! ZAs mr. Sullivan would say, (L.OL.L.) Having last week reviewedc my Sitkovetsky CD of the violin concerto, with Menuhin< I'm still in a trance, and I seem to hear Sir Edward in almost everything I am listening to today, so, what the heck, let's give this dusted off copy of Slatkin's RCA reading from March of 1989. And, wow, there he is again, in all his over the top glory! Thed first movement is marked 'Allegro vivace e nobilmente" and it lasts an epic 17:15 The phrases that openmany of Elgar's big themes sound like the conclusions of others, perhaps heard earlier. Seem like a quirk of his, anyone else hear that??? Please comment----thank you. This is proud, majestic, heart on one's sleeve music, Victorian, regalopulent and full throated, the Brass are embellished by those British Horns, the chirpping, hyperactive winds and those velveteen and lush strings, I suspect the "Wagner 64" we've heard of but not that much heard FROM. I like Elgar, but I LOVE Bruckner and not even he consistantly produces such treasure of string tone as does Sir Eddie, and that's saying something for me! Thje big opening , almost a march and MUCH<MUCH too short, settles down to some development work as Slatkin goes to work on the details. And, here's the thing, these little items in the musci, never get covered by the orchestra, as Mr. Slatkin's attention to detail is persistant and precise. I need more English Slatkin in my library, as he has a way with both Elgar and Vaughan Williams, few, if any other American conductors have. For a totally overwhelming September 11tyh tribute, check out, if still available, the "Adagio for Strings, London Phil. on youtube. It will pin you back in your seat. Just be sure youy've a hankie nearby. WOW.
>>124049603My only other Elgar #2 is Solti's double Decker from London with the Philharmonic coming in at 51:22 and Slatkin crossing the line at a grander 54:49, or 2:27 longer, and it shows. Slatkin's Larghetto is in azt 15:11 Solti's at 15:30, so this is negligable. But, the inner rapture of the American maestro tells a different story as this gorgeous and heartfelt movement bathes us in sunlit warmth. The "Enigma Variations" style steps right out of the texture and embraces us like an old friend, dripping with nostalgia and affection. much of this mazn's material is somewhat auto-biographical and lacks any pretentiousness or equivocation, but embraces sincerity and virtue. Within his closest circle of friends,. his candor could , at times, be disarming. No doubt, Sir Edward took his title, knighted as he was, rather seriously, and, come to think of it, so did Solti .The third movement is a rarther brief "Rondo' of a sfvelt 7:40, and, if this symphony has a weak leg, it would be this one. Still, it is a minor quibble, and poses no tangible risk.
>>124049568https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDd8cKZqWcmaybe
Any other recordings from Kempe worth checking out? His Strauss is revelatory. Surely he brought those same heights of bliss to other music?
>>124049860didn't he recorded a bunch of wagner? also his beethoven cycle
>>124049931Good shouts.
>>124049860i think his lohengrin is highly regarded
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4cxXNOIsAw
Great music for better times
>the time has come to declare Bach the greatest modernizer of European music, the key agent in inscribing music into the Newtonian scientific-formalized universe. Prior to Bach’s time, music was perceived within the Renaissance horizon of harmonia mundi: its harmonies were conceived as part of the global harmony of the universe, expressed in the harmony of celestial spheres, of (Pythagorean) mathematics, of society as a social organism, of the human body―all these levels harmoniously reflected in each other. Around Bach’s time, a totally different paradigm started to emerge: that of a “well-tempered” scale, in which musical sounds are to be arranged following an order not grounded in any higher cosmic harmony, but which has an (ultimately arbitrary) rational structure. (True, Bach was obsessed with the Pythagorean mysticism of numbers and their secret meanings, but the status of this obsession is exactly the same as that of Newton’s obscurantist Gnostic fantasies which comprise more than two thirds of his written work: a reaction to the true breakthrough, an inability to assume all its consequences.) This was Bach’s true fidelity (in the Badiouian sense): to draw all the consequences from this de-cosmologization of music. All the talk about Bach’s deep spirituality, about how his oeuvre is dedicated to God, should not deceive us here: in his musical practice, he was a radical materialist (in the modern formalized-mathematized sense), exploring the immanent possibilities of the new musical formalism. It is the “Italian” re-assertion of emotional melody (pursued also by his composer-son who, in taking this line, committed a kind of parricide and was for a short while even more popular than his father) which marked the expressive-idealist reaction to Bach’s materialist breakthrough.
Anyone know of any low quality / lo-fidelity classical recordings played on old or out of tune instruments?
>>124050697Materialism and idealism coexist in art making, its a false dichotomy. An artist must be materialist because art is material: the pigments of a painting are grounded in its material properties. But the materia is used as a mean to an end.
>>124050763That's... that's not what 'materialist' means there, anon.
>>124050758Like any hobbyist recorded with a phone that you can find in Youtube?
>>124050778No, like with a warm 4 track sound
>>124050758https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doezrM_mBHo&list=OLAK5uy_nMxs6ey6ndafOtCJSvBmRq_b2rHOhRhME
>>124050697Oh but they made a distinction between music of the spheres, vocal music, and instrumental (lowest) music the whole time
Many composers have come from or been associated with the Alpine regions of Europe, and yet off the top of my head I can think of only Beethoven, Bruckner, and Reger who resemble the characteristically brachycephalised Alpinid. Almost every great composer appears more mesocephalic.
>>124050776I know the meaning. I try to argue that the basis for Bach materialism are his contributions as a musician which must be judged as such. His intrinsic mathematics and formalism could be considered far from the divine ideal prevailing at his time, but also interpreted as a search for divine laws in nature.
>>124050697https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/gmqbo9/what_do_you_think_of_philosopher_slavoj_žižeks/?rdt=45956
>>124050854Yes it's a Zizek quote.
>>124050822>characteristically brachycephalised>>124050822>Almost every great composer appears more mesocephalic.
>>124050859I posted that because the first reply is excellent and was too long to post here
>>124050853>but also interpreted as a search for divine laws in nature.Laws within music as its own delineated field.>>124050874Ah.
>>124050867if you do know what he's talking about it makes even less sense why someone would think about this or even point it out
>>124050874>>124050854Yeah Zizek does have the habit of painting with too broad of strokes and using interpretation as more of a tool of creation than the means of getting at any sort of real truth, resulting in grotesque distortions of the subject, but I find it often results in interesting ways of thinking and perspectives.
>>124050822I also subscribe to the Alpine master race theory
Bruckner's 4th: Bohm, Jochum, or Karajan... hmm
now playingstart of Dvořák: String Quintet No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97, B. 180https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc&si=0hgu0LiE2izjYLsBstart of Dvořák: String Quartet No. 14 in A-Flat Major, Op. 105, B. 193https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hIiDA9j1yQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc
>>124051454whooops, first link should bestart of Dvořák: String Quintet No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97, B. 180https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKVVxhrIoxI&list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc&index=2
The image used in this Youtube upload of Solti's recording of Bach's St Matthew Passion is too funny. Is this the emotion Bach evokes? Am I the pleb?
>>124051584No, not Bach, not the piece, not St Matthew.
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>>124051584uh I guess a good portion of the piece is sad but I wouldn't think of that type of sadnessmaybe it's supposed to draw a parallel between the child with their dead parent(?) and us as children of God with the death of the Saviour?
>Bruno Walter meet Straussrather amusing, I thought Strauss was a contemporary of Wager
Let's all only post YouTube links like a bunch of dumb corraled faggots.
>>124051724Yeah Strauss lived long enough to see Citizen Kane. Looking up the DOBs and deaths of a few composers, I'm more surprised Mahler died only 14 years after Brahms, at which point he was 37! Figured there'd be less overlap. Strauss was only born 4 years after Mahler but since lived so much longer it feels different.>>124051737I mean there's a balance.
>>124051737corraled?
>>124049931Alright, here we go!
>>124051815I think the most surprising one for me was Leopold Stokowski, since he lived from 1880 to 1977.
>>124051815Sibelius was a contemporary of Rossini and Bruce Springsteen.
>>124052251>Bruce Springsteen was born less than a century after Rossini died>about 20 years less than century eventime is weird as fuck
>>124052462At that point just give me the exact number of years mate. So 80 years after.
>>124052251I could be wrong, but to me to be one's contemporary, especially in this context, means to be active in one's primary pursuits or occupations at the same time. So I wouldn't consider Sibelius contemporary with either.
Dvorak's Stabat Mater is one of the all-time great choral works, and someday it will be commonly considered as such.
Listening to Handel’s violin sonatas https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNu8FwaEl2w2ru9BARCyOsC9g-lMlIxqm&si=RyewXZ0MDTfTNNXShttps://open.spotify.com/album/0YwR5lBXdik8pPGrr4uC42?si=tYNOaIViS96yy21YEoS9rg
>>124052673Funny, I didn't know he had violin sonatas until I came upon one a couple hours ago. Added this recording, thanks.
Which recording would Mozart have preferred? Would he enjoy either?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIjtyZ0czxcOrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7A8bjkVXC8
>>124048883What you think of period instrument performance?
>>124052695It’s important to disclose that some of the sonatas in the recording were probably not intended for the violin (HWV 358, 375) or even written by him (HWV 370, HWV 372, and HWV 375).
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nMsyIniZfk&list=OLAK5uy_n5vbXAH7XF7Ot7ooKGAy5Swga-NOYI6iM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f40A8RRx9Y0&list=OLAK5uy_n5vbXAH7XF7Ot7ooKGAy5Swga-NOYI6iM&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfuvlaN3cxc&list=OLAK5uy_n5vbXAH7XF7Ot7ooKGAy5Swga-NOYI6iM&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTQmztjK_2g&list=OLAK5uy_n5vbXAH7XF7Ot7ooKGAy5Swga-NOYI6iM&index=8
>>124052845At once?
>>124052867knock yourself out.
I like Tchaikovsky, fuck you niggashttps://youtu.be/i5ijpRrg9A0Still one of the most wonderful piano concertos to me.
Want this three recent albumsOne
>>124053010Two
>>124053020And three
>>124052981sounds like a you problem
>>124052981If I wanted to listen to gay shit I'd listen to indie.
>>124052981Still love Tchaikovsky, and used to love his piano concertos but can't really listen to them anymore. Maybe someday.
>>124053010>>124053020>>124053028They look neat.
>>124053089Tchaikovsky sounds like watching a sunset while leaning my head on someones shoulder. Indie sounds like anal sexThese two are not the same level of fag
>>124053420yes the second one is just gay and the first one is FAGGY and gay
>>124053420thank you incestuous boylover
>>124053426>likes romantic period music>doesnt like romance
>>124053462as it turns out, straight people don’t tend to be interested in homosexual romance.
now playingMacbeth, Op.23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwgN7lmDZ-s&list=OLAK5uy_kYGIbNyOMPeAZQ0C9zDE40NJBuwyynvfw&index=2start of Alpine Symphony, Op. 64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCKf0y4p9aA&list=OLAK5uy_kYGIbNyOMPeAZQ0C9zDE40NJBuwyynvfw&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kYGIbNyOMPeAZQ0C9zDE40NJBuwyynvfw>Strauss' Eine Alpensifonie (Alpine Symphony), Op.64, is quite differently interpreted by Marek Janowski and the Pittsburgh Symphony than it usually is (hybrid SACD 5186 339). He emphasizes the musical materials rather than their verbal descriptions. By not giving in to the work's programmatic aspects, he concentrates instead on the motivic structure, which contains some very beautiful moments. Needless to say, the Alpine Symphony contains some of Strauss' most brilliant and colorful orchestration, virtuosically played by the orchestra. The disc also contains Strauss' Macbeth. Although written around the same time as his brilliant "Don Juan," its materials and working out are far heavier and less distinctive. It is also well played, but Janowski does not seem to like it very much. Weak as the piece is, others have made more of it. -- Turok's Choice, Paul Turok, November 2009
>>124053440Np
>>124053363>but can't really listen to them anymore.Lol so pretentious.
>>124053514...I'm not saying they suck, I just don't currently enjoy them. You don't get tired of certain works from time-to-time?
Reminder that the one and onlyGLENN GOULDOULDwas chosen to play the Well-Tempered Clavier for the Voyager Golden Record, which was then sent to space.Thousands of years from now our species will be extinct, but the best pianist of all time will still represent our human SOUL to future alien civilizations.GOULD WILL OUTLAST RICHTER, SCHIFF AND EVERYONE ELSEGOULD IS ETERNALPRAISE GOULD
>>124053528Yes, I don't listen to same music over and over, except I don't make statements like "oh oh I can't listen to them anymore! i think i grew up! maybe someday bruh!"
>>124053577too bad he sucks cock>>124053514>>124053595so much asspain over someone not wanting to listen to faggot music lol
>>124053595>>124053514Fagkovsky is shit
>>124053595Good lord. Don't reply to my posts ever again.
>>124053577Ah, so we'll have him to blame for the aliens' decision to invade and enslave us all.
>>124053706
There's nothing greater than Tchaikovsky.
>>124053795at least, not when it comes to gay sex
>>124053795If you're gay, maybe
>>124053795He's pretty great.
>>124053842at gay sex, certainly
>>124053795Based
>>124053878on gay sex?
Annerose Schmidt + Kurt Masur's piano concerto recording are absolutely phenomenal and I shall keep repeating that facthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EetAjhyZuLcAs good as complete sets of recordings go. It just sounds colorful and lively. Fantastic mastering, great conducting, lovely playing.
>>124053909Definitely one of my favorites now.
>>124053821You have it, I bet?
So sick of these "random thing photographed in high quality close-up" album covers in recent releases. Nice recordings though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrNMJU0e-kE&list=OLAK5uy_lGkJFgHUUNdpEGTBN2SgPWXSYL8HtENLU&index=14
>>124053944keep your day job, gambling’s obviously not your thing.
>>124053795truer words have never been spoken.
>>124053979please stay on topic shlomosister
>>124053979Oh, don't be shy.
>>124053989please stop ban evading obsessed wignat schizo>>124053990sorry, not interested in poophole sex, maybe try >>>/lgbt/ instead
>>124053909where do you even find her complete set? no where is it in any of the places i looked. also, that recording is rather fast, but no matter, i'd still like to explore it not using youtube.https://files.catbox.moe/v3hxbs.mp3
>>124053960What is your favorite genre of /classical/ cover art?>performer's face while constipated>random painting vaguely from the period but off by a generation>composers face>pretentious modern art piece that looks vaguely satanic>photograph of completely random shit
>>124054017you are the one ban evading shlomosister and stop weaponizing reports
>>124054017You've been ban avoiding ever since you got banned for rage spamming Tchaikovsky thread.
>>124054023
>>124054030>random painting vaguely from the period but off by a generationProbably the best.>pretentious modern art piece that looks vaguely satanicGood if it's satanic, bad if it's pretentious.>photograph of completely random shit>composers faceCould be decent depends on the design.
>>124054048here's the post that got you banned shlomosister https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/124046114/#124047351
>>124053577indeed. Carl Sagan had a good taste for music.now playing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jld7gud8
>>124054023Its on soulseek when the right dude is online, I personally got a vinyl as well
>>124054030pic related. the energetic futurist style fits the music perfectly.
>>124053759>take me to your Glenn Gould CDs.
>>124054090hyperion seem very fond of the “painting that’s vaguely related by period” approach and it usually works really well. honestly, of all the classical labels owned by monstrous megacorporations they might be the best in terms of artist roster and recording quality at the moment.
>>124054068Yep. Among many other spam exmaples such as https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122347670/#122357465>>124054076There's a limit at which your posts just get deleted. You get banned for repeatedly spamming. You just evade.
>>124054057So true modernister
>>124054103agreed.
>>124054106breaking news: ban from june 14th is no longer active, schizo sisters in shambles.
>>124054030Karajan posing as a popstar.Asian artist posing as a Kpop idol.
>>124054030>>pretentious modern art piece that looks vaguely satanicDont get these. These look like shit and just mske me not listen to those recordings nor any other by the performer
>>124054123You continued posting the very next thread.
>>124054118How is paintings from period "modern" when I don't even listen to modernists? So true low IQ sister
>>124054128>Asian artist posing as a Kpop idolwhat about a “young” conductor/virtuoso posing as a teenage heartthrob?>>124054137sounds like i was unimpeded by a lack of a ban then! thank the merciful jannies for being so generous as to clean up obsessed concern tranny spam without banning. case closed, thanks for playing.
>>124054163>sounds likeNo, not really. But thanks ban evading fag.
>>124054163>thank the merciful jannies for being so generous as to clean up obsessed concern tranny spamIndeedhttps://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/124031124/#124035901
>>124054205>you can’t prove the contrary.Enough proof has been posted. But here's another, you simply stopped replying with the same copy-pasted 'thank you' replies once you got banned, but then you evaded the next day.
>>124054148Satanism is inherently modernist
>>124054213Incorrect. Heathens were called Satanists and devil worshippers as back as medieval periods. And Satanism is preferable to christcuckery either way.
>>124054205>and you can’t prove the contraryhttps://desuarchive.org/mu/search/text/wignat%20schizo/
>>124054234yes, that would be you, wignat sister. any questions?
>>124054233Cope&seethe.
now playingstart of Beethoven: 11 Bagatelles, Op. 119https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKbWscg7-fc&list=OLAK5uy_m51gt85fbHuUnp1Xcyd_jpYvmYtwA3NYI&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m51gt85fbHuUnp1Xcyd_jpYvmYtwA3NYI>>124054090>>124054103Another Hyperion one.
>>124054244about what, your mental illness?
>>124054242why are you ban evading?
Confession: love Brahms but I don't really care for op. 117-119, they're only okay (to me). 116 is solid I guess.
>>124054251speaking of the late bagatelles, i’m still on the lookout for exceptional recordings of them. it seems like barely anyone bothers with them, and the few who do are doing it as part of complete cycles. no one seems to care enough about these pieces to make it a part of their specialized repertoire. >>124054254simple answer: i’m not. anything else?
>>124054270>i’m still on the lookout for exceptional recordings of themMe too, which is why I'm giving this one a try. I do quite love them, hopefully this one is it.
>>124054275i’ve heard a bunch of osborne’s late beethoven and, while none of it is bad, none of it is very good either. i’d be shocked if this were any different. at the moment i have kempff for op. 126 and serkin for op. 119, but frankly i think they can be done better.
Tchaikovsky was the connoisseur of melodies. I expect that he imagined castles, paintings and nature during his compositions. Listening to a Tchaikovsky piece makes you transition into a different gender. https://youtu.be/2Sb8WCPjPDs?t=122 This gay emotional surge that is brought by such a sublime piece of art. How can our generation even compare to such excellency? Just look at the state of current art, be it paintings or music, it is all degenerate and godless.It is better to just kill yourself than remain in such a stagnant and sterile world.
>>124054360He was still a Christian. He had desires but fought them best he could. I think he is really disrespected by all sides of the argument honestly speaking.
>>124054373yeah, he really resisted temptation by trying to fuck his nephew in the ass
>>124054228>t.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx_EhMM2S5Y
>>124054084i hope to find it...she had been featured in legend of the galactic heroes multiple times
>>124055530Found that out while looking for her concerto recordings. Weird to see that I already heard her somewhere without realizing. I found her recordings because (iirc) Horst Kunze did the sound engineering on that one and I love the sound of the recordings he works on. He also did the Kegel Beethoven recordings which I also love.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m-UuhFgEiw
>>124054030old naxos
>>124055797Man, the other day I saw a Naxos recording with a last minute unfinished cover. A shame I don't remember which one it was.
>>124055985It came to me once I submitted that post, lol.
>>124053462>likes romantic period musicwhere did you get that from?
Sistershitter BTFO.
having him around is more preferable than having you around
>>124055996>not actual artwork
>>124056198>t. chews on dogshit
>>124056144>>124056251Have sex
Honegger https://youtu.be/DvOuDe4uHR4?si=XShawkGx5OJk5ep3
>>124056268Kill yourself.
New thread: >>124056626
>>124056216It says that, but it shows like that on every platform.
>>124056875yeah
>>124056654>deleted???
>>124057031they started making fun of his shitty british composer so he got embarrassed and deleted the thread
>>124057049nah, the thread was 40 minutes old already
>>124057049Lmao
these threads would be a whole lot better if they were put into an historical perspective. instead, thread after thread, a blackout on its past (classical) to rewrite its history (classical) has been the undertaking of a select few change-agents. it is therefore my notion that the OP should contain anime or some mention of it otherwise we run the risk of forgetting the beginning of classical music, and that risk runs great; for, if the change-agents have their way, classical will continue to be perverted and sickened upon by malign interests whose goal is the destruction of beauty and grace itself.
>>124057176>the beginning of classical musicWhich is?
these threads would be a whole lot better if we discussed composers, pieces, recordings and topics i like
>>124056654>>124057031Early.
>>124057301The thread was at 311 when the other was made but the sister posts were just deleted.
>>124057332>sister posts were just deleted.Based. Sistershitter rots in hell.
>>124052771That depends entirely on the performer. I don't subscribe to HIP wholesale as a concept, but they have some great performers within their umbrella. Usually the best HIPsters are the ones that just so happen to be playing on historical instruments and don't follow the stereotypical aesthetic associated with the movement 100%. I'm thinking of performers like Staier, Ross, Levin, Leonhardt, von Asperen, Hengelbrock, Lutz, some Harnoncourt, Bruggen, Mosaiques Quartet, Vox Luminis, etcUsually the worst HIPsters are the English ones, such as Hogwood, Gardiner, Norrington, etc., whose recordings tend to be lightweight, anemic, lacking in precision and rhythmic detail, not to mention ridiculously treble heavy to the point of nausea. However, they were English and, as such, the British hegemony promoted them in the press and solidified their reputations. A similar thing happened with Simon Rattle.
>>124057049No, it was pruned by a mod, don't ask me why
>>124057554>>124057301I don't need to ask, homo.
>>124057007How dare they call Parsifal muck??
>>124054030>composers face>pretentious modern art piece that looks vaguely satanicdef these two + black and white picture of performer (hopefully not looking at the fucking camera or posing to look cool)
>>124057225de Machaut
I love Tchaikovsky's and Dvorak's Serenades for Strings.
>>124057886Recording rec?
>>124057997Karajan if you want in-your-face romanticism, which does work well, but I just finished listening to this one, it's a bit more serene. So either/or.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72IDmIFuKNg&list=OLAK5uy_mi0wB2LauzEfkUWPhrQDgncNfqGHzUDzQ&index=1
>>124057997>>124058013For comparison:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lSwwXNmdkY&list=OLAK5uy_ni-paiapX4ORyb9e9uvjmbQr9_s47oK2A&index=1I'd probably take the Karajan if I could only have one.
So we all agree Archduke Trio is the greatest piano trio ever, ye?
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