Rachmaninoff edition.This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>124234833
Rachmaninoff is supremehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wW6VH8zuJE&list=PLs1oeJCZ4VmBELNhnlUoD1LJZkAtNUcRe&index=10&pp=iAQB8AUB
>>124247387true and honest, garbageman>>124247401i think boomers are just mentally retarded >>124247400>>124247428thanks for the garbage, garbageman
>>124247450Utterly false I must admit.
>>124247453totally true, garbageman
>>124247479Impressively incorrect.
>>124247505completely correct, obsessed garbageman
>>124247532Evidently false, sis.
>>124247541actually irrefutably correct, obsessed garbageman
>>124247548Entirely, honestly untrue, sis.
Can the mods just ban this spamming shitposter? Ideally permanently
>>124247571yeah mods please ban the guy posting fucking R*ssian music
>Felix Mendelssohn is credited with staging the first public performance of Johann Sebastian Bach’s St. Matthew Passion since Bach’s timethat's pretty interestingwouldn't have expected a jew to do that (not that I got anything against them I actually like jews and I think israel is cool actually)
No mods ban the sister poster who has a spamming tantrum when people post Classical music he doesn't like
>>124247571>an appeal for authority
>>124247633I don't think he grew up religious and he got baptised as a Christian.
>>124247638Correct.
Are there any good classical pieces or composers from the continent of Africa?
>>124247633game recognizes game
>>124247638To be fair, he only 'spams' when people continually engage, essentially spamming back.
>>124247745>an agreement to an appeal for authority
>>124247797 You're basically saying don't engage them or just agree with them- that's letting one autist unilaterally dictate the content of a general
Klemperer's Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRWCRtW-L6I&list=OLAK5uy_kC_jdEwUF_P8KfkGuSEhg8CpyTcjMc-Pg&index=6
>>124247815>themwow, so inclusive
>>124247815I engage in arguments and discussions with them all the time, and so long as the things I'm saying are substantive, then so are their replies. If I say "I like thing" without anything more, what do I expect them to reply with but "I don't like thing" in response?
>>124247842remember how you adopted a word i had used last thread while using it and spelling it incorrectly? here's a similar example in that you've opted to adopt adopt anons inclusive approach (because he's a fag) by using them to describe sister instead of refering to him as a he as you had done in the post prior to anon's response. it means you lack intelligence. him in the post prior (he).
So I was able to find this string orchestra arrangement of Bartok's 3rd string quartet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGBEzEaAJ8&list=OLAK5uy_ld39ZdvbMEKxtsOcfrCYAG0jWXF-1u6FI&index=1along with this companion booklet:https://www.clevelandorchestra.com/globalassets/recordings/bartok/tco-011_bartok_digital_book.pdf
>>124247912Get. Help.Not only was that not me in the previous thread, my changing to 'them' wasn't even a conscious thing, and I generally prefer using 'them' anyhow.
>>124247948a lot of your posts tend to feel as if an unconscious person was behind them, so it makes sense for you to not know what words you're using when you use them.
>>124247998Decent insult, I'll give you props for that. Maybe I just don't view everything and plan all of my actions through the lens of a culture war or whatever you wanna call your nonsense.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbdvqUyX9SY
African composers?
>>124248049Do you have a favorite for the Keyboard Partitas?
>>124248055Vedernikov, Ross, Newman
>>124248071Thanks! Gonna finish listening through the Carl Seemann recordings and then I'll venture into those ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKzz30QXajI&list=OLAK5uy_kp1c-F6CKEsYihNK8uJdVFISUnI_Sc1aE&index=27
>>124248013it's not a culture war, it's political. a whole movement is involved in reshaping the body politik to be centered more around identity. and it's that which i rage against, in particular anyone who uses them or they to refer to a singular person. moreover, sister is obviously a guy and anyone with a brain could have figured that out by interrogating his posts.
>>124247912NTA but using "them" to refer to someone is fine. It's not a trans thing nor should it be seen as one. Frankly I don't know if the sisterposter is male.
>>124248087Show me those interrogation logs and I'll gladly start calling them a 'he/him.' Until then, nah -- and it has nothing to do with taking sides in that culture/political war and respecting identity or whatever the fuck; the simple fact of the matter is, one uses 'they/them' when they don't know, like on an anonymous imageboard.
fug dozens of other recordings of I've heard and enjoyed since the last time I listened to Klemperer's Mahler 2, and finishing it up right now, his is still the best.
>>124248087You know in Old Norse there's actually male and female they and them (as well as gender neutral)?
>>124247567completely true and honest, obsessed garbageman>>124247571>>124247638>>124247745>>124247815lol completely and utterly mindbroken>>124247912>>124247998>>124248087thank you schizo /pol/ tourist
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJ4BrOzmJc
>>124248180-_-cute I guess
>>124248126it might have been okay to use it before identity politics, but once things become co-opted it's high time for people to take individual responsibility by divesting from those things. in fact, i'd argue that it is required if you wish to remain an individual as opposed to a collaborator of an organization.>>124248133>more unconscious babble
>>124248192thanks schizo /pol/ tourist
>>124248192>>more unconscious babbleHey! :(
>>124248178
This handsome crab spider is a lovely bright green. Green was Mendelssohn's favourite colour.https://youtu.be/hq0eoKU6sB4
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z00TDWqzmew
>>124248192That sounds like something an identity politics type would say just the inverse. I don't use it in the way do, that's good enough for me
>>124248249In their mind, you're either a slave to the J's or an enlightened schizo with agency like them.
>>124248221thank you tranime pedophile
Is it true?>Why is Mendelssohn regarded as sentimental and second-rank? Because his reputation was wrecked by Wagner, who had his own ambitions for German culture, writes Tom Servicehttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/may/05/felix-mendelssohn-richard-wagner-classical-music>inb4 the guardian
124248266Quality poster
now playingstart of Lekeu: Violin Sonata in G Major, V. 64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4jPGGknJ1g&list=OLAK5uy_nIg7_7YIgoYZhfo2PkyOEEbfqWRFxM8nA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIg7_7YIgoYZhfo2PkyOEEbfqWRFxM8nAI like how the cover just sneaks in the included Lekeu sonata like that. I haven't heard it before or even of the composer. What's cool is I've been looking for violin or cello sonatas with longer runtimes like this one seems to be, so should be a good listen.
>>124248310He died from eating a contaminated sorbet
>>124248274Also interested in this question for the historical perspective. From my own, I'd say one only needs to listen to Mendelssohn's music to see why he falls short of true greatness, and I quite like his work.
>>124248264i'm not sure why you brought jews up. perhaps you're using them as a straw man to make things more simple than they actually are.
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj-nEw3sSWM
>>124248353You fell into my trap, schizo-anon, I was referring to Jocks. Nice to see where your mind went though, you have been exposed™.
>>124248345An appropriate way to go for such a delicate soul, so far as I can tell from his music. This violin sonata is nice, I'm definitely gonna be on the lookout for more by him.
>>124248380i understand the gacha, but at the same time it ignores the follow-up sentence of my post. moreover, your original post makes no sense.
>>124248406It was a joke, because there's no use in attempting to earnestly engage with you beyond what I've already said.
>>124248420that's understandable. not many people want to know things beyond what they already know.
let's revisit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wnn1UM_7EA&list=OLAK5uy_kK7wslZjmnSxnFOEcx5Zh0j4sJWIZFl08&index=1
Tartinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuOd0ppOpqc
>>124248380You say that but there was book posted on /pol/(I can't find it right now) about how Scotland is home to the real Israelites. The Stone of Scone is meant to be Jacob's Pillow-although I'm not sure who'd choose a stone for a pillow
>>124248440I feel like the 5th due to its idiosyncratic sound and structure, followed by the 8th because of its sheer scale, are the hardest Bruckner symphonies to do well.
>>124247400https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFsx8EPZ4pk
>>124246906Was he delivering this letter?
20 years of schoolin and they put you on the hammerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ihI7Ijry8&ab_channel=HorstBerbel
>>124248052Beethoven
mozart - platobach - aristotlebeethoven - hegelwagner - schopenhauerschoenberg - heideggerschubert - kierkegaard
>>124248830I disagree on most but only have the energy to ask about one: why not Bruckner as Heidegger?
time to see if I enjoy Rachmaninoff's Piano Concertos once againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGYrqxg3M8g&list=OLAK5uy_k5IHXbzw4Z6lbtM1HKMT02914dSgSJ35s&index=2
>shaves once>dies
>>124248883Scriabin is a fucking retard, or rather was. Let me explain. This guy said he was God. OK, whatever. I guess it was in a Theosophic-Hindu kind of way where it's not preposterous to say you are God, or the universe. Nobody cares. This motherfucker was totally ahead of the game harmony-wise. He stretched that motherfucker like nobody else at that time. But he derived all motifs from his disgusting Mystic chord which sounds like ass. Listening to the same disgusting fourths, tritones, and chromatic lines gets boring REALLY quick. But that's not the worst of it. Absolutely not. The worst thing is, this motherfucker was so retarded, so stuck in the 19th century, that he still wrote sonata form. OK, you say, nothing too crazy about that, but hear me out. This motherfucker not only wrote in sonata form, but he did it in the worst possible way. Every single phrase, every single idea, every single narrative he tried to convey in his fart-smelly music, it all succumbed to formalism. This guy was so retarded he was a grade A formalist. Let me explain. From his first opus to his last, this fucking retard used recurring, and I mean over and over and over again, small-scale formal structures in the form of periods. This motherfucker couldn't convey a single shitty idea that he had without using these lazy and fucking boring two four-bar or two eight-bar (and similar) phrases, which he regularly repeated. This is the most infuriating and lazy shit to do in the early 20th century. What the fuck? And this is supposed to be good? Even Wagner of all people had debunked that shit DECADES ago. And this stupid motherfucker used his diarrhea-inducing disgusting harmony and succumbed it to shitty and extremely lazy formalism. Oh and because he wasn't lame enough, he was a fucking symbolist. Yeah cool this motif is about ass farting and that motif is about mother fucking, but dude its meaning is like hidden or whatever, who cares, this is just lame. Scriabin is a fucking retard.
>>124248932based
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7uM4-SuagE
>>124248865These sound great. Maybe it's time I revisit some of Nezet-Seguin's recordings.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK_roz1kldc
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isZrCEglnxM
Is Johannes Kreidler the best living composer or just the most handsome?
now playingstart of Berg: Violin Concerto "To the Memory of an Angel"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQeP7GH9ZEk&list=OLAK5uy_kyX4gpyZw1Z0qs9zrG2J1eUw64wY0vl_8&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kyX4gpyZw1Z0qs9zrG2J1eUw64wY0vl_8
>Mahler's Ninth has been a very lucky symphony on record. It seems to bring out the best in all conductors and orchestras. Off the top of my head I can only think of one recording I have heard that I would advise people never to hear (and even that one isn't without some interest to Mahler obsessives like me.) That isn't to say every recording is beyond criticism, far from it. Leaving aside personal preferences, it seems that every recording I have heard is of a uniform standard of excellence I don't think can be found in other Mahler symphony recordings. Is the work "conductor proof", perhaps? No, not in the last analysis, but it certainly comes closer than the others if the many differing interpretations that are available is any evidence.I agree.
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mSVON13FE
Handel vs Scarlatti.https://youtu.be/kgwLkns0_8U?si=Ozua_n57cjA_Mnci
>>124250567Now that's some exciting harpsichord
>>124250424what's the bad recording
>>124248830who's Mainlander
>>124251054He doesn't specify in the review, so you'd have to go through his others I guess to find out, I'm not sure.
been listening to Smetana's Ma Vlast the past few nights when going to sleephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcwYfpTl9eo&list=OLAK5uy_kLnU22Kb8tzOEQzy3jKTkAn7rzrbi_UzI&index=1
>>124251095Mahler.
>>124251641more like MEHler.
I think my favorite memory of Rachmaninoff was I was chilling in my car waiting for the stroke of midnight to hit up gamestop on black friday and I listened to Rach 2nd piano concerto with the heater going in my car because nobody else was lined up and then people started lining up so I got in line and we waited and then they opened the store and when I got to the cashier they didn't even have what I came for they probably set it aside for themselves Still a good piece
>>124251054Most certainly he's talking about Norrington's recording, Hurwitz was so mad at that performance that he jumped over his usual format and wrote up a brief essay on it lolhttps://www.classicstoday.com/features/ClassicToday-NorringtonMahlerNinth.pdf
>>124251719Norrington has a Mahler 9!? I gotta check that out.
>>124251754more like Mehler.
>>124251756Well if Norrington conducted it, then it would be!
literal schizophrenia:>>124246974
>>124251852don’t forget that it’s also literal pedophilia!
>>124251852I don't have any idea what they're saying but seems neat to me
>>124251915only because you don’t have the music theory skills to comprehend how it’s all bullshit
>>124247652The fallacy is called appeal to authority, and isn't what just happened.
>>124247799>>>>124251961
L. Janáček – Sonata I. X. 1905 "From the Street" (Berman)https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1bikxc0tALk
Shostakovich Prelude and Fugue in A Major on guitars https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AEjcU12qJWw&pp=ygUac2hvc3Rha292aWNoIGEgbWFqb3IgZnVndWU%3DThe prelude and fugue really compliment each other beautifully here
>>124248830Bach is Thomas Aquinas
>>124252054sickening stuff>>124252060i don’t know how accurate it is to compare the single most important lutheran in all of music to a catholic scholar
>>124252120Even tranny jannies would have to concede it’s utterly beautiful music
>>124252139*utterly repulsive music
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzY-PgD9wNg&list=OLAK5uy_lSrbq0Vfix2Sq6690e5bkzkqJxyqZ8K9o&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSrbq0Vfix2Sq6690e5bkzkqJxyqZ8K9o>To put it plainly, this is the finest recording of Rachmaninoff's complete Preludes I have ever heard. Alexis Weissenberg has the amazing technique and the expansive temperament to make each of these pieces a memorable experience. In these very colorful performances, he gives us very authentic- sounding Rachmaninoff with all the qualities I want to hear in the music. I may prefer some individual performances by Rachmaninoff himself or by Sviatoslav Richter, but neither recorded anything like the complete series. With the former contents of two entire LPs on this mid-priced set, this is an outstanding bargain. --Leslie GerberOutside of a couple select pieces, I've generally found Rachmaninoff's Preludes to be rather bland and vacuous. Hopefully this recording changes my mind.
Superb performance of Mozart's 40th Symphony by Sawallischhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FpE7EUmzK0&list=OLAK5uy_k6AGS207XwkJDhZtM6ZJjWP0qSoAF5ef8&index=6
>>124252252Neat, added the rest of the recording, thanks.
>>124252252Wolfgang plays Wolfgang
>>124252214Apparently Rach said “Many, many times I wish I had never written it,” about that piece cause people wanted him to play it so much Really good ending to that performance, great stuff
>>124252376The Op. 3: No.2? That explains why it's the start of so many Rachmaninoff piano recordings! That's a great quote.
>>124248830you are profoundly retarded.
>>124252703an insult to music.
>>124248178Quite false sis>>124252376>>124252389He would also play improvise the prelude when he got bored of performing it as it became his most frequently requested encores, and thought it overshadowed his other works
>>124252214>I've generally found Rachmaninoff to be rather bland and vacuousfixed>>124252376perhaps he should have never written anything at all>>124252829actually true, obsessed garbageman
>>124252865Rather untrue sis.
let's try<-----Schoenberg: Pelleas und Melisande, Op. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vhsPSZbnQ&list=OLAK5uy_k20rpurkS-Rg1CZjB32_mHGr9qwan6SS8&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k20rpurkS-Rg1CZjB32_mHGr9qwan6SS8
finally starting to like Bartok's string quartets :)Which is your favorite? So far mine is the 5thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdCXD43AVho
>>124252873totally correct, obsesssed garbageman>>124252904the 3rd or 4th depending on mood
>>124252912Obviously falsified sis.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwGv0T3Az2lKdMri0D2M7mv1H0DwzxW6F
>>124252926totally true and thanks for the garbage, garbageman
>>124252926Have you tried Scherbakov's or Tatiana Nikolayeva's recordings of that? The latter was chosen as the work's first performer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVcnD7yQG9s&list=OLAK5uy_kvWJfX7U-sDsb8mH2jhjvaK8T3Da45hrY&index=1
>>124252938legendarily shit recording
>>124252952>Supposedly at an International Bach Competition (which Shostakovich was adjudicating and from which he would return to the Soviet Union, inspired by Nikolayeva to write his monumental 24 Preludes & Fugues for her), the final phase of the competition consisted of playing one of the fugues from the Art of the Fugue. When the panel asked Nikolayeva which one she intended to play, she responded, "Which would you like?" Needless to say, she won.
>>124252957needless to say, i don’t care.
>>124252972tr*nlsation: okay that's a pretty cool anecdote.
>>124252975translation: i don’t give a shit, garbageman
Favorite/recommended recordings of Schumann's String Quartets? I added pic (Zehetmair Quartett) and Doric String Quartet's. Check out the editorial review excerpt on this one:>Having established himself as a soloist by the time he was 40, Austrian violinist Thomas Zehetmair defeated the midlife crisis by finding new fields to conquer. He branched out into conducting and, in 1997, formed a string quartet, which has already performed widely in Europe and America and released two CDs; this is the second. (The first featured works by Bartók and Karl Amadeus Hartmann.) Zehetmair's reputation was always based not only on his wide-ranging, adventurous repertoire, and unbridled temperament, but also on his idiosyncratic style and interpretive eccentricities, and he brings all these qualities to his quartet playing. He has chosen partners who are very good players and presumably kindred spirits, but they all pursue other activities as well and, moreover, do not live in the same city. Thus, their rehearsal time is limited, and they say they make the most of it by rehearsing, performing, and recording entirely from memory. Indeed, their intonation and ensemble are excellent, but this is not--or at least not yet--a unified quartet. The personalities have not merged, the tone lacks homogeneity, the balance is poor, the texture muddy, important details are lost. Instead of letting their solos emerge from a seamlessly woven tapestry of lines, the players tend to be too assertive or too subdued. Zehetmair's influence is clear in the tonal and musical excesses. Though he himself can produce a sweet, floating tone, the sound is predominantly rough and scratchy; tempi are erratic, often hectic, rhythms unsteady, dynamics exaggerated. --Edith EislerWhat a story and review lol. Anyway, open to any suggestions.
>>124252933Untrue so far.>>124252938I'll try that one.
>>124253041The album cover is her with Shosty, so you know it's good!
>>124253025Most indie album cover I've ever seen for a classical release; I like it.
It's really hard sometimes to get my brain over wanting a piano to sound like it does in old video games like Castlevania or Parasite eve.
bach: art of fughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua4q2DqO9wE&list=OLAK5uy_k90XIC7-fPLSDEaeBmv_bUUd5X1od3prE&index=7
>>124253167>art of fugg:DDDDDD
>>124253167beedhoven: biano zonadaz:DDD
>>124252703Good melody writer
>>124253402never post here again.
bachmaninoff - bartita for violin in B :DDDDDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcPi4l57Cew
>>124247400testing
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhLnFwGaT0
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0QsSCPoa0w
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbRjRMNtKc
>>124253465ebin :-DD
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K32B1aoklAA
>>124251961>>124251969no, in this instance, anon is clearly appealing for an authority figure, not to an authority figure. english must not be your first language, that, or you're operating on rotary processes instead of relying on the faculties of your brain. the latter is common in non-individuals, robots, mechanicals, collaborators of larger organizations, etc.
>>124253465bardog: virzd biano gonjerdo :DDDDDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqQ_NnHwg4
How are the orchestral parts for a mass written? What's the form or rules or guidelines for its structure?
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=e1MndKrey-w
now playingstart of Bartók: Cantata Profana, BB.100, Sz. 94 - The Nine Splendid Stagshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4OGCPpemM&list=OLAK5uy_k6IauaUWOFujJezni0PeppDdEaNz3qgmo&index=2start of Bartók: The Wooden Prince, Sz. 60 (Op. 13)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4cDeSbqobY&list=OLAK5uy_k6IauaUWOFujJezni0PeppDdEaNz3qgmo&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6IauaUWOFujJezni0PeppDdEaNz3qgm
>>124253511>most replayed part is at the end when she stands up and you can see her ass
>>124253041actually completely factchecked and verified.
>>124253554what a doltish question.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rAB3yCwFw&t=5055
>>124253688>wanking to wangmany such cases.
>>124251641Mahler is Spinoza
>>124248830>schoenberg - heideggerHe is Wittgenstein.
>>124254029more like Spiloser.
>>124254078more like Shittgenstein.
what a gay piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi1oQ5hYJVk
I miss him bros
>>124254227Hindemith was a fucking retard.
>>124254255T. Salieri
>>124254107Wittgenstein raped your mind.
>>124254312Wittgenstein's ladder cannot reach my mind.
>Music came to a full stop with Brahms; and even in Brahms I can begin to hear the noise of machinery.
>>124254487>a Jew says something retarded.more news at 5.
Wittgenstein and Schoenberg are the "final priests" of modern thought and expression. Once you have reached them, there is no further insight to uncover. This is the endpoint—the final frontier of understanding. You might try to philosophize your way out like Russell or wrestle with it like Adorno, but regardless of the approach, all roads lead to the same inevitable destination.
>>124254514You'd be shitting yourself in a cave in Africa without Jews.
>>124253704Obviously not.
>>124254736ok, Shlomo.
I'm finally listening to Klemperer's famous Brahms cycle. The first movement of the 2nd symphony (my fav) is disappointingly slow (thank G-d there's no exposition repeat), but the other movements are just fine. The slow movement is as beautifully played as any and the finale solidly working toward resolution.
>>124255177>G-dOpinion discarded.
>>124255228lmao, why are antisemites so easy to bait?
>>124255236so true upvoted haha very cool
>>124255236You must have loads of karma on reddit
what's the equivalent of gay sex in classical music?
>>124255552Antisemitism is mid as fuck.
>>124255586>What, When, Who, Why, Where, Wagner. The answer to all your questions.
>>124253502He didn't say that.
>>124253502He said that.
hi sisters it's me again may i get the following thankshttps://www.discogs.com/release/25625587-Ralph-Vaughan-Williams-The-New-Collectors-Editionhttps://www.discogs.com/release/23524385-Vaughan-Williams-London-Philharmonic-Orchestra-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Sir-Adrian-Boult-The-Compl
>Beethoven's 9th final movement with AirPods Pro 2 with Noise Cancellation and Fixed Spatial Stereo and Lossless file format
Anyone got this recording in FLAC?https://youtu.be/_r50IndkULoI am quite fond of it and I'd like to be able to listen to it without youtube's compression
https://youtu.be/VDbEEIKcx34He won, kneel right now
Simple question - what's the most beautiful piece of music ever written?hard mode (optional) - justify your answer w/ out sounding like a twat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhLnFwGaT0>Reason?When I recall the day that I listened to The Pilgrim's Chorus/Finale of Tannhäuser, it sends chills down my spine. Just the prelude itself aroused my cock up to 90* perpendicular, I tore my clothes off and ran naked to the streets shouting "JUST FUCKING RAPE ME ALREADY GOD". This is what listening to Wagner for the first time did to me. Wagner was not just making ordinary music for ordinary people, he was sound-raping his listeners and fucking their brains out until they attained nirvana or musical pleasure.Just listen to it yourself.... you are in for an experience.
>>124256466meant for >>124256443
>>124256443https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjlocepj0o
Does a fortepiano take up less space than a grand?
What is the best recording of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata?
>>124256701a baby grand is like half the size of a concert grand, so I guess it depends. but idk exactly how big fortepianos were. can you even still get them? was thee a standard size?
>>124256718https://youtu.be/Mdb6ViEMTDM
>>124256443Mozart clarinet quintet
>>124256718https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSDUG4rtQFo>>124256753Awful.
>>124256443Beethoven's String Quartet No. 14
>>124254805definitely so, garbageman
>>124257030no thanks i prefer non-jewish performers
>>124256443Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No.2, for its lush melodies, almost merging piano and orchestra into one, honest to the listener all the way through by delivering exactly what listener wants to hear, huge climaxes and generally a comprehensible form and structure (not that Mozart or Brahms concertos lack it, but it's just as good).>>124257050Apparently not.
>>124257135He said without sounding like a twat.Just kidding, the setup was right there, I couldn't help myself.
>>124257152Did I sound like a twat in my response to the question?
>>124257160No, I just couldn't help myself but to make the easy joke.
>>124257135LMFAOOOOOO the garbageman thinks that rach has good form, what a joke
>>124257165Yeah you secretly inb4'd sistershitter.
>>124257030You just think so because you're jewish. Winters is obviously the ideal
>>124257058They're everywhere man, you gotta learn to perform yourself
>>124257168I do think so, not sure about the garbageman, is he with us in the room right now sis?
>>124257160>>124257173thanks garbagetwat>>124257189yeah, you’re in the room with us you stinky indian
>>124257186Are you suggesting that beethoven's 14th hasn't been performed by a non-jewish pianist?
>>124257058https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsRg3h99uXQ&list=OLAK5uy_lDJRRyhU6eMKEnXv3kpJqH4Kxo4SPCDSs&index=14Happy?
>>124257199He must be in the room with us anon. You may find him at the mirror, try it.
>>124257218no mirrors necessary, the rank stench of curry and shit is enough to lead me to you, garbagetwat
>>124248932another russkike obliterated
>>124257228I am not you (thankfully) so I don't smell like indian.
>Shostakovich's Trio No. 2 is a grim masterpiece, a disguised tribute to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust written during World War II and actually using Jewish folk themes. The Cello Sonata was written a decade earlier, but it has its own dark political shadows of Stalinism. So don't buy this disc for fun and games. deleted from my hard drive for obvious reasonsNot really but it does epitomize the main issue I have with listening to a lot of Shostakovich these days -- why would I wanna intentionally make myself depressed and anxious by listening to it? It lacks the cathartic element which generally justifies this kind of music.
>>124257317>I don’t smell like indianeven when you try to deflect, you give yourself away with your barely functional english. you really can’t fool anyone like this, indian garbagetwat.>>124257322you also forgot the part where the music sounds bad
>>124257322>you also forgot the part where the music sounds badNot to make any judgments but that kinda goes hand-in-hand, no? If it sounded better, if it were beautiful, it would be (somewhat, at least) life-affirming, ala Mahler 6. Which isn't to say "Shostakovich intentionally made it sound bad," however there is something to that to achieve the effect and tone he wanted."After Auschwitz, poetry is no longer possible" and all that.
>>124257356>barely functionalAverage amerimutt thinkinging there's only one country outside the US. LOL.>>124257322>why would I wanna intentionally make myself depressed Why would you want to make yourself happy with music? Same applies to all emotions.Shosta doesn't put me in depressed mood, I just enjoy the thrill.
There are so many things which are impossible to explain! Why should certain chords in music make me think of the brown and golden tints of autumn foliage? Why should the Mass of Sainte Cécile bend my thoughts wandering among caverns whose walls blaze with ragged masses of virgin silver?
>>124257399average indian garbagetwat thinking he’s fooling anyone with his broken english by whining about americans LOL>>124257386>Shostakovich intentionally made it sound badapparently so, “boo hoo i’m so heckin depressed that my music is supposed to sound like shit” seems like the excuse you’re giving. >"After Auschwitz, poetry is no longer possible" and all that.cry me a fucking river, jesus christ. insufferably whiny.
>>124257399>Why would you want to make yourself happy with music? Same applies to all emotions.-_-Anon, you're a smart guy; why do I enjoy experiencing pleasure from music and art? I think it's self-evident.>>124257442If you stopped seeing red for just a moment, you'd see what I said was somewhat agreeing with you, and the Adorno quite was in reference to how Shostakovich must have felt considering the quote I posted referencing J's in WW2. Calm the fuck down.
>>124257442You're a mutt of indian variety, your gaslighting doesn't work.>>124257409What is the Mystic chord supposed to make me think of?
>>124257409Music is the most mysterious of all the arts, certainly.
>>124257215no thanks i prefer hiss in my recordings https://files.catbox.moe/kv3y16.mp3
>>124257476i’m vehemently against the whole “wow the heckin world wars and the holocaust means we can’t write good music anymore” shtick, we’re going on a century of progressively and exponentially more “modern” and inaccessible music and virtually none of it is any good. maybe we should get over the fucking hitler booboo as a society and start writing listenable music again. >>124257493>n-no YOU’RE the indian SAAAAAARi’m not the one who’s struggling to put together basic sentences, indian garbagetwat. it’s time for you to shit in the street.
>>124257476>why do I enjoy experiencing pleasure from music and art?Pleasure comes in different shapes. There's something appealing about dark, unsettling music too. Do you derive pleasure only from happy music..? >>124257545>YOU’RE the indianCorrect, you are.
>>124257580don’t you have a cow’s asshole to eat out of, garbagejeet?
>>124257600Nah, I'll just eat beef and drink milk (neither of which you can tolerate)
>>124257545Yes, I fully agree. >>124257580Of course, but it's still required to be beautiful and on some level life-affirming, like the example I mentioned, Mahler 6. A lot of Shostakovich's music (not all) is devoid of this entirely -- it's completely bleak, completely hopeless, completely lugubrious. Intentionally so, certainly. I'm sure it's beautiful to some but it isn't to me is all I'm saying.
>>124257624sounds like someone’s overcompensating, garbagejeet.
>>124257632>it's still required to be beautiful and on some level life-affirmingRequired by your standards. Also beautiful is subjective, "harsh" and "soft" would be the correct criteria imo. And Shosta isn't completely atonal so it's hard to be too harsh. It's not always pleasant to listen to and needs its own mood, as does most of the music (for me), so maybe we have that in common.>>124257640Incoherent babble.
>>124257730>tonal music can’t be dissonant and harshLOL, indian excellence everybody
>>124257730You haven't noticed how I'm always careful to not say "Shostakovich is bad" but rather "I personally don't care for it?" ;)But of course, I agree. Again, I'm not saying I dislike all of his music, when he goes for joy and beauty and vigor he can be quite good -- cello concerto no. 1, piano quintet, most of his string quartets, some of his symphonies, his preludes/fugues, and so on. I'm specifically complaining about and critiquing the absolutely bleak and desolate stuff, like the Piano Trio no. 2.In any case to each their own, I just felt like bringing it up because I was considering giving it a listen and I came across that quote which perfectly illustrated my issues.
>>124256701get with the times grandpahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAaNOGcTU6Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py48Qkv8c2Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8fuRUYZKEk
>>124257775>You haven't noticedIt's not like I would be offended lol. Better be honest than appealing.>I just felt like bringing it up Yes and it's interesting to hear different thoughts, thay's what makes this place useable, as opposed to reddit echochamber where sistershitter is from.>>124257748Excellent strawman sis
>>124257848>as opposed to reddit echochamberspeaking of foul stinky indians
>>124257855Don't you miss your home, sis? Go collect your karma lmfao.
>>124257870you seem to know a lot more about it than i do, ESL garbagejeet.
Mozart really does all sound the same.Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge is just plain ugly.Wagner’s operas are much better with cuts.No one cares about the first three movements of Berlioz’ Symphonie fantastique.Schoenberg’s music never sounds more attractive, no matter how many times you listen to it.Schumann’s orchestration definitely needs improvement.Bruckner couldn’t write a symphonic allegro to save his life.Liszt is trash.The so-called “happy” ending of Shostakovich’s Fifth is perfectly sincere.It’s a good thing that “only” about 200 Bach cantatas survive.
>>124257878Yeah, it is better to know your enemy, redditsister.
>>124257887i kneel...sir... j-just don't rape me okay?
Is there a composer who shares the Gothic aesthetic of Rachmaninov without being bad?
>>124257901since you seem to know so much about reddit, why don’t you tell us about it, garbagejeet?
>>124257887God rejoiced when this man was born.
>>124257887/clASSiscal/ sisters how are we responding?
>>124257870sister used lmfao exactly 1 hour before you and now you're using it. you know, in my experience, people who adopt and use acronyms or words that other people use after having communicated with them usually indicates a lack of sentience. it wouldn't be the first time that you've showcased this character trait today, this unknowing.
>>124257887Wait, I watched that exact Hurwitz video like 2 days ago. lol.There was also a talk about Bach's lost cantatas that could be discovered in some barn lol. >Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge is just plain ugly.Exactly what makes it good.>>124257961>without being bad?Yeah, he's called Sergei too, except it's Rachmaninoff .>>124257987Tell you about your own home? I'd rather not.
>>124257961Scriabin, Mahler, Berg
>>124257887
>>124258011pills time>>124258014>noooo SAAAR, reddit is actually YOUR home even though i know everything about itlol, indian excellence everyone
>>124257887basedit's kind of wild how people cope and seethe, even talking to wannabe music producer anons they have such a narrow view of music like they'll reject songs that objectively have quality and popularity behind them
>>124257887This post destroyed everything. Just stop guys. Stop posting. It is fucking over, Classical needs to die.
>>124258029So does /classical/ kneel to fat jewish critic? >>124258011I quite frankly don't even care what he said, nor what you think. But thanks for the hilarious autistic post.>>124258053You have to go back.
>>124258076>I quite frankly don't even carethat much is obvious
>>124258076go back to /classical/? but i’m already here. maybe you should return to reddit instead?
>>124257887brought to you by a fat gay jew who takes pleasure in having male genitalia in and around his orifices
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nK9YG9QJmqThkFKB4LlJI-ya6tQoEyTJIIs this the best Mozart/Brahms Clarinet Quintet recording?>>124258087Well, looking at his posts last 3 threads it's nothing but "nuh uh, no u, yes, indian, garbage" so yes, it's hard to care what he actually puts in the post. His presence however is uneeded and brings redditness to this place.>>124258110You bave to go back.
>>124258170>baveLOL, indian excellence everyone
>>124258179You still have to go back.
>>124258205go back to /classical/? but i’m already here. maybe you should return to reddit instead, illiterate garbagejeet?
>>124258229you bave to go back sis :DDD
>>124258170It's pretty good yeah. I think they are works of which there are lots of great recordings. Try this one:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_noiUJkg0LAgukRm6r2orwOQxe9IfM1ajI
>>124258239thank you garbagejeet
>>124258258Very nice thx.>>124258264Not sure what you're still doing here. Maybe go back sis?
>>124258300go back to /classical/? but i’m already here. maybe you should return to reddit instead, illiterate garbagejeet?
>>124258304You're from plebbit so please go back sis
>>124258300Can't ever go wrong with Karl Leister, and the Amadeus Quartet has some of the very best recordings of Brahms' chamber music and, if I remember correctly, great Mozart too.
>>124258313go back to /classical/? but i’m already here. maybe you should return to reddit instead, illiterate garbagejeet?>>124258334based chad schumann
>>124258368You have to go back sissy
>>124258387go back to /classical/? but i’m already here. maybe you should return to reddit instead, illiterate garbagejeet?
>>124258398No, back to plebbit where you belong.
>>124258405never used reddit, sounds like you know a thing or two about it though.
>>124258425You're not fooling anyone plebbitsis.
Bruckner's 6th is a really uneven work, and easily the weakest of 3-9.
>>124258442no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet. >>124258445i find 3 and 4 significantly weaker than 6.
>>124258465Still not fooling anyone plebbitsis.
>>124258476no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet.
>>124258465I love the 3rd more than most so I'm sure most agree with you on that one.
>>124258480Again, not fooling anyone plebbitsis.
Puccini (arrangement)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0RXoIuieZ8
>>124258465Also on that note I think I'm gonna finally do a close listen of the 1st and 2nd (Karajan). My Bruckner addiction is at its apex and I've already listened to 3-9 in the past two days, some already twice!
>>124258495no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet.>>124258513karajan’s 1 and 2 are awful. horst stein has a good 2 and frankly i’m not sure about the 1st.
>>1242584458 > 5 > 7 > 6 > 9 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
>>124258524Before I go out in search of the best recordings of them, I feel it'd be fitting to start out with them with one of the big two: either Karajan or Jochum. And I've grown a bit tired of Jochum's dry sound in recent times.>>124258544Wild -- 8 and 7 have to be the top two -- but I respect it.
>>124258524Not fooling anyone this time plebbitsis.>>124258544Will the 8th play during the apocalypse?
>>124258567Bruckner 8 Now!
>>124258556i’d rather jochum than karajan in that case, karajan has literally no idea what he’s doing in bruckner aside from 7, 8 and 9. >>124258567no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet.
Magnardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1m115aWO-0&list=OLAK5uy_l9huXvVnEVWOuU85biUs3oRuy1KzMS66M
>>124258316>>124258300>Very nice thx.I'm relistening to the recording myself right now and goddamn is it marvelous. Glad you enjoy! For anyone else:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaHgVQLiz-c&list=OLAK5uy_noiUJkg0LAgukRm6r2orwOQxe9IfM1ajI&index=1
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMTyc_NFLrEvt_EAEdN17Su8SOUPG58mE>>124258594Frankly still not fooling anyone plebbitsis.
>>124258613no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet.
>>124258613Posting the regular embedded youtube link on the first track of the playlist/piece is probably most convenient for sharing here IMO.And I liked that recording the first time I heard it but since then I've turned against it, far too austere and dry for my tastes. I want more lushness, more romance, more passion, a series of rhythmic tidal waves of sound. That's just me, though.>>124258594I remember you saying that. I can't even *think* about listening to Karajan's 5th without seeing in my mind something you once said: "his 5th is borderline offensive." lol. Jerk!
Does this count as Western Art Music?https://youtu.be/pE13sOHUVbk?si=sJCG_0kslsRa_5w-
>>124258594>karajan has literally no idea what he’s doing in bruckner aside fromsister your sentence here is poorly written. may i suggest something else? instead of adding a caveat after letting readers know your opinion of karajan's bruckner, could you not have stated that karajan only knows what he's doing on 7, 8, and 9? that way you save anon time while still making your opinion known on karajan's bruckner.>karajan has literally no idea what he’s doing in bruckner aside from 7, 8 and 9. >karajan only knows what he's doing on 7, 8, and 9do you see the difference?
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>>124258732There are no sisters here, only brothers.
>>124258732O_O
>>124258609Haven't listened to it yet but I'll do so later!>>124258695So what's your prefered recording? This one was highest rated on classicstoday, and I'm not familiar with anything else atm.>>124258643Still not fooled plebbitsis.
>>124258695it’s just the truth. karajan is the last person who should be tackling a work as immensely contrapuntal as the 5th>>124258732pills time
>>124258784no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet.
>>124258798I still have to be fooled, plebbitsis.
>>124258813that’s because there’s no fooling necessary, it’s simple facts that you know more about reddit than i do, garbagejeet.
>>124258784>So what's your prefered recording? This one was highest rated on classicstoday, and I'm not familiar with anything else atm.There are many great ones, all with their own distinct tone, phrasings, subtleties, and overall approach, but the king of them all is this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGi-5aG4gNw&list=OLAK5uy_nNzO5WAbAtr3wRTx3ZbJ5v4FmgF0j1n8E&index=1There are more other anons here and I can recommend. This one, however, is the one to start with and hold dearest to your heart and soul.
New, get in>>124258844>>124258844>>124258844>>124258844
>>124258851Based
fairly new to classical, was Mozart really the greatest musical genius of all time? was there ever a more natural genius?
>>124258906Yes.
>>124258906While I don't know about 'the greatest,' he's certainly up there. For 'natural genius,' certainly him or Bach.
>>124258906>was Mozart really the greatest musical genius of all time?Yes.>was there ever a more natural genius?Mendelssohn was a greater child prodigy, but taking all works into consideration, no.
>>124258906>was Mozart really the greatest musical genius of all time?Yes.>was there ever a more natural genius?Mendelssohn is up there.
