Chopin's heart edition.This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>124375848
>“I recognize now that the characteristic fabric of my music (always of course in the closest association with the poetic design), that my friends now regard as so new and so significant, owes its construction above all to the extreme sensitivity that guides me in the direction of mediating and providing an intimate bond between all the different moments of transition that separate the extremes of mood. I should now like to call my most delicate and profound art the art of transition”
>>124387432lmfao
now playingstart of Mozart: String Quintet in C Major, K. 515https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPi2Ot468u4&list=OLAK5uy_mcnwiBc8eFZ0lodJs983u0CT4mTKbsL3I&index=9for those who like their Mozart on the romantic side
>>124387863fucking horrifying
Any non-dissonant atonal composers?
>>124388564Berg and Dallapiccola, sort of.
>>124387372Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5BXTBGrMPY
>>124388564any non-virgin anime posters?
now playingstart of J.S. Bach: Suite for Solo Cello No. 2 in D Minor, BWV 1008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHFBAzWxrLA&list=OLAK5uy_miLA2EPBEs3ILYFcXv-aV8e0bwrZyipIM&index=7
>>124388836nope
I'm gonna listen to it all!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dyys37ESfU&list=OLAK5uy_ly56ltQTLdK_ESfJ3CYc10b8yQZxSGQ3Q&index=11
>>124388564Depends on your defintion of atonal but Muczynski and Persichetti come to mind. Some Scriabin, Messiaen, and Sorabji might work too.
>>124388920thanks faggot pajeet
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb28oCiHpX8
Jochum, Klemperer, Karajan, SoltiAny other non-HIP sets of Haydn's symphonies I ought to check out based on my tastes or do I have all I need? I know Harnoncourt's is highly acclaimed but I'm very hit-and-miss with his recordings, more often miss, I just don't like his style outside of a few exceptions.
>>124389006>all this record label exec fodder>no dorati, no szellembarrassing
Just discovered Scherchen's recordings of Bach's choral music, anyone familiar with these? Listening to odd parts of the Mass in B minor and the combination of the recording quality and the venue acoustics gives it this really nice ethereal, bellowing echo:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZg0BRf-kSY&list=OLAK5uy_lseXIgpKV1jBfIMjRh8hHg9IaHC7-PbUU&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCh44ziMO1Q&list=OLAK5uy_lseXIgpKV1jBfIMjRh8hHg9IaHC7-PbUU&index=17His opening chorus is nearly 15 minutes long!
>>124388564atonality doesn't exist.The terms 12-tone and dodecaphonic more accurately describe what you are referring to.
>>124389212https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s-coTlGgBU
>>124389504put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
What is THE most dramatic sounding music of all time (that isn't Carmina Burana)?
>>124390009https://youtu.be/n0jHq0WVeIA?t=689
>>124390009https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0
>>124390009something by Brian probably.
I don't care for the Brandenburg Concertos
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgF198aT4lY
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E-_xwkSHqM
now playingstart of Elgar: Violin Sonata in E Minor, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u-shgvmMto&list=OLAK5uy_kJ3pK2wJLgT2za6NCKu1yzX3u8Rxz740s&index=2start of Vaughan Williams: Violin Sonata in A Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ps9AX4W8_8&list=OLAK5uy_kJ3pK2wJLgT2za6NCKu1yzX3u8Rxz740s&index=4
>>124390081>not titling it "Beethoven's 5th Bowel Movement"
Herreweghe's Mozart choral recordings are so good, especially this Requiem:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3uWUmZVmiA&list=OLAK5uy_kqSh6Vhh-JQiTIbve1H60f0s3i2pt9b2w&index=9I love the grand, large-scale, traditional approach too. To me I view the two kinds of interpretations as two different works entirely, so enjoy them on their own terms without comparison, and with that, Herreweghe's is lovely.
>>124389078That's why I was asking for others! Will check out Dorati's, thanks. Szell's is nice but not one I return to.
>>124392271lol, lmao, rofl even
>>124392312If you ignore comparing it to the other kind of style of performance and listen to it on its own terms, I genuinely think it's impossible to not like it. It's superb, gorgeous choral singing, what's not to enjoy? Scherier's, Karajan's, Abbado's, or whoever's you like more in totality will still be there.
>>124392353>If you ignore comparing it to the other kind of style of performance and listen to it on its own termsit still sounds like shit, because it sounds like shit period. get a grip dude.
>>124392520>get a grip dude.Okay now what do I do
>>124389504can anything be spelt as a chord? how is it done?
>>124392656stop trying to excuse bad recordings of mozart
>>124392663schizophrenia
>>124392663he's just spelling random bullshit as chords, nothing he writes follows any sort of conventional harmonic spelling.
>>124388825Obviously you were not.
>>124392701so he's a jazz musician I presume.
>>124392703i was, and i'm still referring to you, illiterate jeet. please try harder to keep up, saar.
>>124392720he's not, he's just a musically illiterate schizophrenic who thinks he knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't.
>>124392740you seem upset, TJ.
>>124392760put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>124392790wrong tripcode, TJ. guess again.
>>124392797we know you changed your tripcode to ban evade, groomer germ.
>124392827
>>124392830keep copping out, ban evading pedophile kraut
janet baker!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlU0WYPm1UI&list=OLAK5uy_ny8Ihat6_WB5XVxAE9j_-0L655tBfUGsE&index=5
Karajan's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nunKdw3xM6o&list=OLAK5uy_nOBrQxnLdMUHLGZ1rQOPuari4cM2hF1Fk&index=1
>>124393252simply horrifying
>>124393264>It's doubtful that Bach ever heard these seminal Concertos performed in this fashion with such huge forces, but it's equally doubtful that he would not have rejoiced if he did. Karajan's powerfully broad, borderline Romantic interpretation is stunning and the Berlin Philharmonic sound absolutely gorgeous under his direction. As one of Deutsche Gramophone's earliest digital recordings, the sound is also remarkably spacious and well-detailed complimenting the performance beautifully. Got the original instrument blues? Here's the cure!good night
>>124393274typical amazon review slop
Is robert levin correct about Mozart's concertos requiring the pianist to improvise over the non-written parts?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAledWLQ5Q
>>124393820no. if improvisation is permitted why not play some blues licks over a major triad? after all, it's just an improvisation.
>>124393835Classical improvisation, he meant. Retard
>>124393826in the right hands 12-tone music can be beautiful and otherworldly in its harmonies and progressions. The best dodecaphonic composers are always just extreme romantics.
>>124393863define classical then.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQmXU-XMCIs
>>124387432That is a confirmed Wagner quote. I don't understand why people say its a Marquis De Sade quote?
>>124393892Classical improv - The improvisational style as taught in the period?
>>124393945yes. I'm sure Jews like you and Levin are experts on it.
>>124393948o_o
>>124393948I mean, we have enough written works that have improvisational characters to get a decent idea of what it sounded like
A schmaltzy waltzy morning to you, classicalsisters!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDDw1kjXWpg
>>124394005>sisternigger
>>124394005Fun stuff. Thanks for the reminder to finally go through J. Strauss' music.
>>124392722Yeah, no, you were not insomniac.
The Apex. The zenith. The ultimate pièce de résistance. Humanity's Opus.The raw POWER of a Nazi in Berlin conducting Strauss inspired by Nietzsche. Humanity will never attain this again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exveTEjJa5E&list=PLNitVGYNCIxGtrM7gJtDOtAT2wgCA8dfc
Improvisation is the peak of artistic expression. A great pianist (or any instrumentalist, musician, even composer) will always be able to improvise and write a fantasia or an impromptu. Furthermore it should be a requirement to improvise on a recital, an 'improvisational duel' should be a thing in classical music. Except, of course, within the boundries of classical/romantic styles.Improvisations in Mozart's concerto recordings would add immense colors and depth, the problem seems to be close-minded NPCs.
now playingstart of Haydn: Piano Sonata in G Minor, Hob.XVI: 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ruKPCmWNEI&list=OLAK5uy_nj0T-WQ-3VWEuSVgtiTCd2x-TVqnw0Cys&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZTsXAMDBwwWhat is thist type of pianoforte called? Really like the percussive sound
I finally understand what people mean when they say Bach's music encompasses unending multitudes, the full spectrum of thought and emotion.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1lbBkslxbYWhere did they take the horn lines from in this recording? Every other I've heard uses only a string orchestra
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_e7oP-h87Y
>>124388809Do people really listen to piano roll recordings? Why?
>>124394472https://mymodernmet.com/robert-levin-mozart-pianoforte/
>>124394472https://issuu.com/academy-of-ancient-music/docs/mozart
>>124394967>>124394995Thanks dudes
>>124394771why not?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsdHzKqtbXEhttps://youtu.be/SxDLznHiuxk?t=22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzQrBZzXWpMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGBK6EtkRU
>>124395028https://interlude.hk/tangentenflugel-mozarts-favorite-keyboard-instrument/
>>124388836me
ok frends give me the best recordings for some beginner tier symphonies
>>124395115They're inferior to actual recordings
>>124388836Nobody here is a virgin cause Wagner took our virginities and minds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9FzgsF2T-s
>>124395392who careshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGBK6EtkRU
>>124393820improvisation was quite common back in those days and expected of concert pianistswhen Beethoven wrote his VC he did so knowing that Franz Clement was a great improvisor and fully expected him to do so in his concertgenerally speaking in modern performances i would keep the improvisation to the cadenzas but in the classical era it wasn't uncommon for it to happen outside of that and they often had entire segments of a concert dedication to improvisation
>>124395381Start with Bach
>>124395481any particular symphonies I should start with
>>124395513https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAJdik6_HI
>>124395513First off: Start with the Baroque period.Generally you need to understand the forms utilized in order to have any beyond surface-level appreciation, luckily I can at least spoonfeed you four common forms you can sink your teeth into quite easily and can get you into listening Baroque music like Bach, Vivaldi and Handel#1 RitornelloThis one is commonly found in Baroque concertos and is quite simple to follow: A melody is introduced in the beginning of the movement that keeps getting repeated, in-between each repetition you have the solo instruments playing a solo over the chord progression of the melody.Examples:https://youtu.be/lQLjP7x3Dughttps://youtu.be/ybwSoY5BuwYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfH3Gfkgzm8https://youtu.be/yHSstJusbWI2# Binary FormThe simplest one of the period, this has two sections: An A-section that repeats once, and then a B-section that repeats once (Note that the performer might also choose to not repeat the sections sometimes). That is it. It is quite simple but quite effective. You will be hearing this one a lot when listening to Baroque music. Most often found in suites (sometimes called Partitas), where all movements besides the prelude will be some type of binary form piece.Examples:Basically every movement in these pieces after their respective preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMkmQlfOJDkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJpbCLZpk8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0cont
>>1243958423# The FugueOne of the most important of the period and one of the hardest forms to write, luckily it is not too difficult to listen to if you pay attention. The fugue has it's history in Gregorian chant, and therefore is written as if it were a vocal composition utilizing different "voices" which are slotted into each vocal voice range.A fugue begins with an exposition, this is the most important part for you to pay attention to: A single voice will introduce the subject (i.e main melody) of the fugue, this subject will then be repeated in another voice with the previous voice providing counterpoint (Different melodies that are meant to harmonize the main melody while also standing on their own). This repeats until every voice has played the melody once. After this, it is not too dissimilar from a ritornello (at least in the case of Bach), with the main melody returning in different voices. There will also often be counter-subjects present that also return, but this depends on the fugue.You will see the fugue almost everywhere in Baroque music (Note that most fugues are accompanied by a prelude, as noted in most titles. The prelude in the examples I give and 99% of the time is melodically disconnected from the fugue and mainly serves as a free form movement. Still, attention is warranted as they are as important as the fugue in terms of the overall expierence.)Examples:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbox4oi6HjAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfnkz1cFp8ghttps://youtu.be/BoXCHmLqh9k4# Theme and VariationsYou will find this one in almost all periods of classical music and therefore also the Baroque period. In it's early usage mainly used for church hymn melodies, it provides a main theme with a simple harmonization that then gets variations placed upon it based on that original theme.Examples:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF-2aJY6dpohttps://youtu.be/qnCqOKE9N4Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYfKWyeichEHappy listening, anon!
>>124395513>>124395849Also don't start with symphonies. Start with listening to keyboard concertos from the baroque, then move to the piano concertos of CPE Bach, then Haydn, then Mozart. And then listen to his last 4 symphonies. Then you get the full artistic road that turned Ritornello into the sonata form we recognize it as now.
>>124395842>2# Binary FormQuick addition to this, if a baroque dance has a "I-II" added to the end, it means it's two binary form pieces, but the B section of the second piece will generally be the A section of the first. Effectively making it ABCA
pedophiles:schumannwagner (confirmed)mozartbach (confirmed)brucknerbartokmahlerbeethovenbrahmshadynschubertdebussyberliozbrittentchaikovskygombertcease your enjoyment of pedophile music
>>124396102
>>124396102Literally none of these are pedos. Saint-Saens probably was though, unfortunately.
>>124393826while I find it hard to believe someone who spams anime in unrelated discussions is not a virgin, I find it utterly IMPOSSIBLE to believe someone who posts the same generic-faced, bug-eyed and underage-looking anime girl as though they're in love with them (who need I remind you is a FICTIONAL character) is not a virgin. Unless they were abused I guess (which, granted, would explain a lot).The style of anime you post is simply tailor-made for lonely otaku men. People who watch anime and AREN'T that way watch other types of shows, and certainly don't have folders with multiple images of any given character saved for later use.
>>124396675maho was born on 02 november 1989. she isn't underage...
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGBK6EtkRU
>>124392663To actually answer your question: yesTo do this, just look at the notes and try to associate them with known chords. If only 3 or 4 notes seem to fit, then you can use those to define the chord and categorize the others as extensions. You may find that many chords are ambiguous, but that's OK.
>>124395381just to make it simple, here's the conductor-recording for each composerBeethoven (specifically 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9): Karajan and SzellBrahms (1-4): Abbado, Klemperer, JochumTchaikovsky (4, 5, 6): Muti, Jansons, KarajanRachmaninoff (2, 3 -- 1 if you really like the other two): Ashkenazy, SlatkinSchubert (5, 8, 9): Szell, Munch, Bohm, Schumann (2, 3, 4): Sawallisch, BernsteinHaydn (London symphonies): Jochum -- also Klemperer's favorite symphonies setMendelssohn (3, 4, 5): Karajan, Dohnanyinot necessarily the best for all but all safe, good, highly acclaimed picks that you can't go wrong with to start
>>124396548>Literally none of these are pedosI think it's been documented that Gombert got into some trouble.
>>124395381>>124396943oh, forgot:Mozart's Late Symphonies: Szell, Klemperer, Walter, Levine
How should one go about finding the best recording of a given composition?I could just look for every recording in existence and listen to them all and try to decide which is best, but that would be very time consuming and I might not even be able to make the right choice (i.e. the kind of choice I would make if my ability to appreciate and understand classical music were deeper).Does anyone here know of a method that beats looking up the composition on youtube and clicking whatever slop has the most views?
>>124397037>How should one go about finding the best recording of a given compositionAsk any place BUT /classical/
>>124396675>I find it utterly IMPOSSIBLE to believe someone who posts the same generic-faced, bug-eyed and underage-looking anime girlBut she's the oldest in the cast of her own series
>>124397042the only one being rude is the one forcing us to see that generic modern anime artstyle whenever he posts
>>124397037Asking here, reading reviews, reading surveys (compiled lists of best recordings, generally written by a music critic), favorite/reference recordings named by a music critic, and then getting familiar with conductors and ensembles and musicians which will help you develop an initial guiding filter (ie avoiding those from conductors/musician's whose style you hate, and giving priority to trying or at least looking up those from ones you click with and really like)
>>124397055Only to you
>>124397055maho sexooo, you're a fag
now playingstart of Schumann: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpJCmni--7c&list=OLAK5uy_n71eCcblPt2XENzr3orZZiLs9wli79ab8&index=14
>>124397067>readThis confuses the zoomer
>>124395381sorry, forgot but gotta make sure I mention them because I think they're excellent symphonies for introducing someone to and getting hooked on classical musicDvorak (7, 8, 9): Kubelik, Kertesz, Karajan, Szell
>>124397067Thank you for the advice!Where can I find "surveys"? Who are some good music critics to listen to for someone who wants to "understand" classical music and find recordings that strike a good balance between "authenticity" and "timelessness"?
>>124397117I (the one who asked) was born in 2003 and recently finished a book that is over 1000 pages long.
>>124397152>Where can I find "surveys"?Just by googling it and the results will come up (examples: Mahler - https://www.musicweb-international.com/Mahler/index.html, Bruckner - https://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2005/feb05/bruckner_symphonies_pwjq.htm OR https://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2020/May/Bruckner_symphonies_revisited.pdf, or just googling "best recordings beethoven 3" and picking a reputable site, etc) but surveys can get really in-depth and I'd only recommend them once you have some familiarity and really want to start exploring a multitude of recordings for a specific work. Do the other stuff I suggested first; also, a popular music review site is classicstoday, and at the bottom of every review, the writer for the review will list their personal 'reference recordings' for the workexample: let's say you search up 'Gustav Mahler,' 'symphony no. 5' and pull up this review - https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-14881/at the bottom you'll see the reviewer's four favorite recordings. that reviewer actually also has a youtube video where he posts relevant information to what you're looking for but I never watch them myself, I prefer reading over watching youtube videos but you might find them handy
>>124397084I have sex with existing women, you virgin. You literally can't have sex with your Maho girl, you are in no place to talk about others' sexuality.
>>124397152whatever you do don't listen to anyone who suggests classicstoday. for my recommendation i suggest you to use the archive where thousands of recommendations throughout time and space have been shared by anon. https://desuarchive.org/mu/ never read surveys that is unless your wish is to become just like this person >>124397257 >>124396943 >>124397018 (embarrassing)
>>124395481Worst advice ever.>>124395513Don't start with Bach. I started with Bach and almost gave up on classical music altogether. Of course each experience differs, but I feel like it's a common experience. You have plenty of time to go back to Bach. Start with Romantic music, Chopin, Brahms, Wagner (overtures) etc. this is a good list for symphonies too >>124396943Don't be overwhelmed and listen to whatever you like, not what you're "expected" to like.
Listening to Babi Yar after the devastating manifestation of antisemitism in Amsterdam...... I just wish the music was a little bit better.
>>124397369Or, y'know, both, as well as the other avenues I suggested. No one source should be taken as gospel nor the sole method of finding recordings to try, as they all have their benefits and cons.
>mfw hans rosbaud casually makes the best figaro on record
>>124397152Hurwitz and classicstoday is literally all you need, ignore the trolls and have fun with his videos about any classical-related topic imaginable, he's friendly and welcoming guy that is trying to be as reasonable and objective as possible.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAjIX596BriH_zrQze2Baqz0RwtqxR5SS>inb4 le shill
>>124397537shut up daveFO1 looking nigga
>Bernstein had plenty of juice to pump
How can you not like Uncle Dave? He's a sweet elderly gay man with a wicked sense of humor.
Sometimes I enjoy listening to Hurwitz babble for hours more than listening to music.>Classical Music's Ten Dirtiest Secrets>Music Chat: The Dumbest Lecture I Ever AttendedIs this jewish trickery, bros? Wagner for this feel?
>>124397618Intellectual brainrot
>>124397492OK, I couldn't finish it. I had to turn it off.Still against antisemitism though.
>>124393826no one believes you, tranime avatarfaggot>>124393883stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
>>124397042most virgin post ever made in /classical/
>>124396548Britten and Tchaikovksy both were pedos
>>124397792Proof?
bump >>124384947
>>124397818tchaikovsky tried to fuck his nephew, it is known. as for britten:>Mackerras worked closely with Benjamin Britten for a time until 1958, when, during rehearsals for the first performance of Britten's opera Noye's Fludde, he made comments about Britten liking the company of prepubescent boys, and Britten subsequently stopped speaking to him.
>>124397840rutracker?
>>124397750>no one believes you, tranime avatarfaggotI do
>>124397844>tried to fuck his nephew, it is known.His nephew was an adult. Nor did he try to "fuck" him.>he made comments about Non-proof.
>>124397858i've only been able to find 3-4. someone on redacted had stated that he had no. 5 & 6 but it was never uploaded. the later versions have applied a slight but noticeable noise reduction.
>>124397892you are no one, after all>>124397961thank you pedophile apologist
Throughout his adult life, Britten had a particular rapport with children and enjoyed close friendships with several boys, particularly those in their early teens.[n 12] The first such friendship was with Piers Dunkerley, 13 years old in 1934 when Britten was aged 20. [...] Carpenter and Bridcut conclude that he held any sexual impulses under firm control and kept the relationships affectionate – including bed-sharing, kissing and nude bathing – but strictly platonic.
>>124398001>you are no one, after allI am 90% of this thread lol. The vast majority of posts are you and me samefagging. If we had post counts still, this thread wouldn't have more than 5 posters.
favorite Bach fugues?I love No. 19 from WTC Book I, No. 9 from Book II, the Dona Nobis Pacem from the B Minor Mass and BWV 543 (A Minor for organ) the most so far.
>>124398001Thank you insomniac copist
>>124398153>No. 9 from Book IIThat's the E major, right? Absolutely terrific.
>>124398215yes that's the one. love at first hearing for sure.
>>124398153BWV 872https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFQHiHkmgRsBWV 577https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGBK6EtkRU
>>124398153I like the fugues where Bach makes use of highly chromatic themes. For example, ricecar 3 or ricecar 6.Another thing he does is write double fugues where the first subject is diatonic, and the second one is chromatic. Then he combines them. For example, BWV 887, BWV 904 and BWV 540
any classical concerts in 2025 worth traveling to in Europe??
>>124398023what a fucking freak>>124398054thank you nobody>>124398162thanks pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124398153D Major from WTC II>>124398428No one asked insomniac copiumist
>>124398452not interested, pedophile apologist pajeet
is there a particular symphonic cycle recording of mahler you guys recommend? or should i look for individual recordings of each symphony?
>>124398494No one asked, insomniac copiumist.>>124398630Kubelik for cycle or see:https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/123663438/#123681567
>>124398729>https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/123663438/#123681567thanks a lot!
>>124398729not interested, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124398760Didn't remember asking insomniac copiumist
Any decent recording rec for Brahm's Wiegenlied (Brahm's Lullaby)?I'm finding that the simpler a piece is the harder it is to find a decent interpretation, probably because of just how many get made.
>>124399084not interested, pedophile apologist pajeet>>124399188just find a big set of brahms lieder by a famous singer, chances are it’ll be good.
>>124399232Didn't ask, insomniac copiumist.
>>124399188https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmgZbkot5lo
>>124399321not interested, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124398425Nutcracker in bolshoi theater ig
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVkQNGohQ_I
should people that don't like classical or find it "boring" be surgically deafened?discuss
>>124397514I'm surprised to see someone else bring it up except me. It is a damn fine Figaro, yeah.
>>124398425Chailly performing the new version of Bruckner 9 completion I guess
>>124401011:o
First time listening to picrel. Hope its good.
>>124403019>MTTdon't set your expectations so high
>>124403019Hope you enjoy! It's an exciting listen.
who's got the classical recommendation chart
>>124399694Didn't ask, insomniac copiumist.>>124403995We don't make charts herehttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAjIX596BriH_zrQze2Baqz0RwtqxR5SS
>>124404429not interested, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124404484Don't remember asking insomniac copiumist.
>>124404608not interested in what you remember, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124404707Don't recall asking insomniac copiumist
Why do hip recordings generally sound so unrefined?
now playingstart of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 4 in F Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQdrFbnI5cU&list=OLAK5uy_llthStTjKDayda3ECOuIggQpvKruMxWHc&index=2start of Symphony No. 5 in D Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5LYAIE9CS0&list=OLAK5uy_llthStTjKDayda3ECOuIggQpvKruMxWHc&index=5
>>124404884not interested in what you recall, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124405097Don't recollect asking insomniac copiumist
>>124404950because instrumentation has improved since the 18th century. HIP posters are among the lowest IQ posters in these threads.
Telemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibHKAZQ7m-AGrieghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M9SkaoSmkk
>>124405160*highestImperfection is good
>>124405097>>124405110Jesus fucking christ. I’m not a regular here, I’m someone recently getting into classical who came here to see what the discussion is like and half the thread is just these two fucking imbeciles with their identical back and forth. Please just shut the fuck up. You are contributing nothing.
>>124405645it's mostly TJ: >>124392760just ignore him.
>>124405645It is severe autism of these 2
Who was a better orchestrator Brahms or Wagner?
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSxlHPn8kBI
>>124406199Name something good that Brahms wrote beside the Requiem. Even then its not as if that Requiem is the greatest one out there (if it was he would have earned my respect). Brahms was the slop of the Romantics.
>>1244062564th symphony alone is as good as the entirety of Der Ring cycle.
>Vagner>good
War of the Romantics is not over yet, is it?
>>124403234Who is better? Dont say "anyone but MTT".
>>124403300I did like it. Deserves more listenings.
>>124397735
>>124406461Markevitch
the Vagner meme
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilzxV4kFF7I
>>124406601VAGner
>hate HIP generally>love fortepiano recordingsWhy is this?
>>124406945Time to become a conductor or rich patron so you can integrate the latter into non-HIP for your ideal performance.
>>124406980I mean, doesnt one guy already do that?
>>124406945Didn't Karl Richter using historical instruments with his non-HIP style?
>>124406490is anons virtue signal so funny that you had to post dumb blonde with cow makeup laughing?
>>124407591>describing a may-mayThese spergs are a laughing gas riot
>>124407656was my question about your post so funny as to elicit an obnoxious celebrity laughing?
A morning for Haydn
>>124407694Quartet no. 1? People listen to these earlier ones? I've only heard the six in Op. 76.
>>124407694>>124407706er, I meant to add Op. 20 after 'Quartet no. 1'
does anon have opinion on kubelik remaster of dvorak symphonies by tower records in 2018? https://www.discogs.com/release/28747762-Antonin-Dvorak-Rafael-Kubelik-Berliner-Philharmonic-Orchestra-9-Symphonies
>>124407706Yes. Everything from opus 20 to 77 is worth hearing.
>>124406199The audacity to compare a filth like Brahms with the great Wagner. Absolutely ridiculous. On one hand you have this grifter, this sham, this phony fake businessman masquerading as a musician and on the other you have Wagner - the artist that sold the world, the man who enriched life, who brought grace and hope to this rotten abyss. Preposterous.https://youtu.be/kJSLxJ2wA_Y?si=2sCz0R-kWN4zPX-4&t=126
>>124408153Am I the only one who gets an eargasm at this sequence between 2:05 and 2:20? Such a slow and beautiful sequence! And how it rises! Especially at 3:26.
What is the classical music piece/work of which you have the most versions?
>>124406945Fortepianos are nice. Actually most pianos before the advent of the Steinway menace are nice. There was an extremely wide palette of piano colors and tones back before the Steinway concert sound became the norm.Erard pianos are fantastic for Brahms' piano music for example, which can sometimes sound far too dark on modern pianos.https://youtu.be/abHLBTyWSokAnd have you ever seen Janissary pedals? Some old fortepianos used to be equipped from them for extra percussive effects.https://youtu.be/JuhSAbQPk7EThey're a bit rare but some pianists have used them to great effect. I love it in Staier's Schubert Piano Trio:https://youtu.be/TygwelIKADA>>124408507In my collection it would appear that I have 7 performances of Beethoven's Op. 111I'm greedy with this piece I guess. Lots of favorites.
Listen to Harris Symphony 3. The great American symphony tbqh.
>>124405110not interested in what you recollect, pedophile apologist pajeet>>124405675put your trip back on, pedophile kraut >>124392790>>124406536very based>>124407478unless you consider the harpsichord to be a “historical instrument”, no. >>124408663what’s your favorite op. 111? this is a subject of endless debate in my friend group because it’s one of the few pieces we collective hold in exalted regard.
Puccini https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udYIgbzOOUw&list=OLAK5uy_kLzXF2PaV1YgatGgihSC_cMEh-0GLgOws>>124408507Probably The Planets by Holst>Karajan with the Vienna Philharmonic >Boult with the London Symphony Orchestra >Mehta with the LA Philharmonic >Ozawa with the Boston Symphony Orchestra >Dutoit with the Montreal Symphony Orchestra The second place must be either Nielsen's 4th Symphony or Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker.
does anon have experience in extracting sacd iso files?
>>124408851from SACDs themselves? you need a specific bluray player or a hacked fat PS3 in order to do that. if you’re just looking to extract .dsf files from .iso files, there’s a free program by sonore called ISO2DSD, look it up.
>>124408762It's hard to say a favorite, that's why I have so many. I guess Richter's is my closest to ideal, but even still I wouldn't want to be without my other performances.Richter 1963 LeipzigYudina (very nutty in the 2nd movement)SchnabelLevyA. Fischer (EMI)NatPolliniThose are the ones that earned a place in my permanent collection.
>>124408851I use SACD extract. Look up the gui version since it's a console program.
>>124408507I'd guess Bruckner 7.
Is there a good Rigoletto that is complete?
Well, I think Rite of spring is pretty crappy music. "But noone had done anything quite like this before", you say. Well, duh!?Stravinsky made some fine music, like Petrushka and Firebird. And that's just the problem, I think. If he only made crappy music like Rite of spring, noone would ever take him seriously. But since he has proven that he can write genuine music, people tend to judge his nonsense stuff through a completely different perspective. "We know this guy can compose music. Then there must be some hidden meaning or symbolic preferences with this piece also." Perhaps he had a deadline...The whole thing reminds me of that episode in Sweden back in the 1960's, when paintings drawn by a monkey at a zoo, were shown to some art critics. The critics (not having been told the species of the artist) were overwhelmed. "This artist is a genious", they said. And when they found out that the artist was in fact a monkey... well, I wish I could have been there to see their faces.If you still think this is genious stuff, I would recommend reading a great book by a Danish author. It's called "The emperor's new clothes".
>>124408762Don't recapture asking insomniac copiumist
>>124408677Hadn't heard of this before, will check it out later today, thanks!
>>124408677not interested for obvious reasons
>>124408677Kamala?
>>124408997see, your taste and mine line up more or less the same, but meanwhile my friends are trying to convince me of the merits of pogorelich taking the arietta’s theme so slow that he has to ignore the l’istesso tempo markings in the second and third variations. it’s so silly.>>124409244not interested in what you recapture, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124409242that monkey experiment is such bullshit. Of course the exact same work of art made by a human and a monkey is gonna have two different "weights" artistically. The critics said nothing wrong.
>>124409577if you need context to determine whether a work of art is good to begin with, your head may be too far up your ass. although that section is obviously bait meant to imply that the rite of spring could have been written by a monkey, which it obviously couldn't have. it's a tremendously complex piece of music even if it doesn't follow the traditional standards of thematic development.
>>124409628>if you need context to determine whether a work of art is good to begin with, your head may be too far up your assidiotic statement. Context changes everything. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum and is made exclusively for humans who measure the value of everything in the universe dependant on context.
>>124409723i measure the value of a piece of music based on the context of whether it sounds good to me. your pretentious ass measures the value of a piece of music based on how hard you've decided to huff your farts that day. we are not the same.
>>124409723>Context changes everything.lol no
>>124408663I like how warm fortepianos sound compared to the colder sound of the steinway.
>>124409233https://youtu.be/P6sz5b2w9Zc?si=8bIfJdeoj3YDhjUu&t=287I am searching long and hard to find this particular "Rigoletto".... I mean just look at that Baritone voice... Orgasm. I can never find the actual recording though, it is never the same voice.
now playingstart of J.S. Bach: Goldberg Variations, BWV 988https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mAMnWoqqj8&list=OLAK5uy_nTifzdP-Ntm_cDvzJpTQ9IbQeSRNXZMUc&index=1
none of you pirate music right?
>>124410515
if you can't imagine music in your head, you might as well give up being a composer.if you can, however, you don't need to listen to any kind of music since you can imagine any and all timbres at any and all pitches. therefore, there is no reason to jot musical notes down for anyone else to enjoy what you enjoy unless you're feeling really generous for no apparent reason or just want to attentionwhore.by the process of deduction, all composers are either Buddha-like figures of benevolence or attentionwhores.
Larssonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUePOSlsrbI&list=OLAK5uy_n0Vp12ex0ZBNGbVlapsGkjgmWdE0jaboA
>>124407808i got it from rutracker. maybe i did something wrong because it sounds awful compared to the 1999 dg master (463158) and pic rel (2011). i also tried dg's 2018 anthology of kubelik (4799959). it appears to contain a reissue of the dvorak 1999 edition, with minor adjustments, such as cutting the dead air at the beginning of symphony 5.
>>124410515there are better renditions you knowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beb9LkvkjTk
going through the Guarneri Quartet cycle of Beethoven's String Quartetsstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 13 in B-Flat Major, Op. 130https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7AgRXSLYhw&list=OLAK5uy_m9Be3tRYHTALACrgKsjR2leZ4pnqO49m0&index=62
>>124411137As opposed to listening to unofficial YT channels?
>>124411137Only stuff that isn't on YouTube Music, which I pay for, and I desperately wish to listen to. Thankfully, that isn't a whole lot.
now playing start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 14 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 142https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQAecrbt6Ac&list=OLAK5uy_mRR48toKz_iho44JS6vOpUxvIt8b5EPek&index=55start of String Quartet No. 15 in E-Flat Minor, Op. 144https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcc8Wb88_k&list=OLAK5uy_mRR48toKz_iho44JS6vOpUxvIt8b5EPek&index=58>"[The Beethoven Quartet's] view of this cycle carries special authority. Collectors who were lucky enough to get the old Melodiya LPs from the 1950s and 1960s, and who still treasure them, will welcome their reappearance ... no other group was closer to Shostakovich's mind." - PENGUIN GUIDE TO COMPACT DISCS>A priceless treasury of the complete string quartets of Shostakovich recorded in the early 1960s by the legendary Beethoven String Quartet, with a bonus of the Two Pieces played by the Comitas Quartet. Although Shostakovich had been acquainted with the members of the Beethoven Quartet since 1925, their professional relationship blossomed in 1938. In this year, the composer attended the Beethoven Quartet's extremely successful Moscow premiere performance of his first string quartet. Shostakovich would go on to dedicate many of his works to the Quartet as a whole or as individuals. Quartets number three and five were dedicated to the quartet, while quartets number eleven through fourteen honored specific members of the Quartet. The Beethoven String Quartet premiered all but two of the fifteen Shostakovich quartets.
I just don't understand why Furtwangler's Wagner has such abysmally terrible audio quality. I'm listening to Karajan's Falstaff from 1956, just 2 years after the final FW, and it sounds essentially modern. I know Karajan was really autistic about using the best possible recording technology, but it really does make me wonder.
>>124413110bad performances deserve bad production quality
>>124409392Enjoy, it's a great piece.
Having only been to a long list of Rock and related genre live shows, do they sell merch at classical performances? Be nice to get like a T-shirt or button of the conductor, composer, and/or representation of the piece :D
https://litter.catbox.moe/jljrqe.flac furtwangler sounds like THAT?
>>124414408yeah, it's chopin' time t-shirts and bottled soloist sweat
>>124414569One time at a Neon Trees concert in Vegas, the drummer threw one of his drumsticks into the crowd which one of my cousins caught! Be dope to see the conductor do that with their baton or string musicians with their bow :D
After having not listened to it in a while and exploring many other sets recently, mostly modern ones, Fournier's Bach Cello Suite, my old favorite, now sounds way too slow. Sad.His Prelude on the No. 5, BWV 1011, for example, is ~7 minutes! Queryras' 2007 release, which might be my new favorite but gotta spend more time with it, is at 6:04, Queryras' 2024 release is at 5:31, and Heinrich Schiff's is at 5:07! Way too fast.For those interested in comparing:Fournier:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-IpgKNymw&list=OLAK5uy_l35RwudITVkBimU6OAYMxzrFv-stYD1j0&index=25Schiff:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNfq1850vV4&list=OLAK5uy_lDRnmWF-BNunZvW4VNIiIMFcxQWCOY6FY&index=25Queryras 2007:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzUZQjX8LVo&list=OLAK5uy_lbQozCiqv2d7IZ1TwGe50k_2mCJx9mfOE&index=25Queryras' 2023 Sessions (but released in 2024):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5yXfRe5eE&list=OLAK5uy_m1g2HAfPpniWQR8EzDDJZcflTE0jtiOp4&index=25Interested in others' thoughts. Fournier is one of my all-time favorite cellists and I count many of his recordings of repertoire pieces as among my favorites, so it'd be sad not to eventually come back around to it, but the Queryras 2007 is just perfect. To me now, anyway.
>>124414408Years ago a bought a CD from the performer of a classical guitar concert. Nice memorabilia.
Never heard of Froberger before. Lets try it.
>>124414824Very cool. And exactly, always nice to have something like that to summon up remembrance of things past, of great experiences and memories.
>>124414794Proof that musicians don't always get better conceptions of the pieces they perform and improve their performances as time goes on.
>>124414794https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFG1s3JckTYlet the cello sing damn it, if you like faster tempos do it on guitar or harpsichordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaAMZ5JgmeYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kD7g0DEOjc
>>124415018Well the Schiff one is too fast for me, great as his overall sound is.>8:22damn! That sounds great but I can hardly recognize it haha. Gonna have to add that set of recordings to my backlog, it really does sound nice.
now playingstart of Debussy: 12 Etudes, L.136https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gap9ZE_FX1Q&list=OLAK5uy_mwE-hDHydXtCQbyikox3mlG-xWMra2Rvs&index=1>Debussy's Études are really the only set that deserves to be put beside Chopin's. What makes them so special? Like his, they are truly "practice pieces," systematically exploring various aspects of keyboard technique. But at the same time, they are poetic works of art, full of fantasy, charm, and musical invention. Uchida's recording is almost universally regarded as the finest version of these works to appear in modern times. Her playing combines effortless virtuosity with pianistic precision, keeping the music's artistic and pedagogical tendencies in a state of exquisite tension. This disc also established Uchida's claim to be recognized as one of the most interesting and talented pianists now active. You need to hear it. --David HurwitzI usually avoid Uchida but this seems to be the recording to have for these works so gonna give it a listen.
>>124409441Pogorelich is someone I should listen to more before making a definitive statement on but so far much of what I have heard is originality for the sake of it without much benefit. >>124410282The best fortepianos sound wonderfully mellow, yeah. https://youtu.be/VITu6_UXMEQ>>124413110Which performances are you referring to? His 1952 Tristan and 1954 Walkure sound sonically fine to my ears. His 1950 and 1953 Rings are airchecks.
christ almighty
>>124415886his op. 111 is genuinely eccentric for the sake of it, to the point of ignoring the score’s directions. no idea what they see it in, frankly.
>>124411381they're usually both.
>>124416022stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
when you are humming a fugue and the second voice comes do you continue humming the first voice or repeat the subject along with the second voice?
A stunning symphony completed in 1947 by American Shapero. Listen to it. a genuine masterpiece. Some hints if Beethoven 5 and 7 in it.
>>124416325I quite like that album cover.
>>124416351Yea, it looks like something by Mondrian but I can't say it is for sure.
>124416272>(you)
>>124416272>not continuing with multiphonics
>>124415979wtf
i have the best taste in the world
>>124415979geriatric bruckner performance must fucking die
what are your favourite choral pieces?
>>124418766BWV 34
I have to confess my sins. I only listen to specific movements from symphonies because honestly most of them suck
>>124417550>>124417784Cmon dudes that shit's not long. Even fucking braindead attention span rotten zoomers are still able to listen to 2 hour albums like Swans' To Be Kind. And Bruckner's at least good.
>>124418873Retard
>>124408663>>124415886Thoughts on Robert Levin's Fortepiano recordings?
>>124418873Genius
>>124419083bullet point green text lgbtq sister calling anon dudesbullet point two albums made today, such as swans wathever, are created from multiple interests, including corporate interests. their product uses modern technologies and techniques which are designed to be catchy and addictive.bullet point three swans who?...caresbullet point four bullet point two is incomparable that means not comparable with classical compositions made by composers who lived in their mom's basements
>>124418766BWV 229
>>124419083Anon, I appreciate your sincerity and fighting the good fight, but the point of the post was that the runtime for the pictured recording is outrageously long for Bruckner 9, and thus outrageously slow.
>>124418766my pantheon is probably:Brahms' German RequiemMahler's 8th SymphonyDvorak's Stabat MaterBeethoven's Missa SolemnisBach's Mass in B minorMozart's Great MassBerlioz's RequiemProkofiev's October CantataHaydn's The CreationI'm probably missing something obvious, just woke upOh and then a lot of short stuff too, like Brahms' Nanie and Schicksalslied and similar orchestral choral pieces, his choral songs and motets, Bach's motets and canatas, etc.
For me, it's Terry Riley.
so brave
>>124409441Not interested in what you're interested insomniac>>124419744>Terry RileyNo one cares.
>>124419842no one cared until i put on the mask. it was then that they began to revere me treating me like some kind of savior. i realized in that moment quicker than when my mom would bring home fried okra, for you see i love fried okra, that they needed me and my abilities if only as a vehicle for their hope, something to invest a super-organic desire into just to get through the hardships of the day.
Tchaikovsky Wagner>Bayreuth has left me with unpleasant recollections, although many things happened there that were flattering to my artistic pride. It turned out that I am not at all so unknown in Germany and other foreign lands as I had thought. The unpleasant recollections have to do with the fact that there was an incredible bustle all the time. Finally, on Thursday [17 August 1876 [N.S.]] everything was over, and with the last notes of Götterdämmerung I felt as if I had been released from captivity. Perhaps the Nibelungen is a very great work, but what I do know for sure is that never before has there been anything as boring and tedious as this spun-out yarn. An accumulation of the most complicated and refined harmonies, the colourlessness of everything that is sung on the stage, endlessly long dialogues, the pitch darkness in the theatre, the absence of anything interesting and poetic in the plot — all this exhausts one's nerves to the utmost degree. So this is what Wagner's opera reform is striving after? Composers in the past sought to delight people with their music; now what they do instead is to torment and exhaust them. Of course, there are wondrous details, but everything taken together is frightfully boring!!!
>>124419910Vagner annihilated
Robert Levin's performance of WTC is the most fun to me when going for a full listen. I like the philosophy of playing each prelude and fugue on the instrument that works the best.
WTC reads as world trade center for me
My kids play a Roblox game about napoleonic wars. As a result, one of them (9 yo) is constructing old weapons using folded paper. The other one (5 yo) is obsessed with the game music: Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Vivaldi.
>>124419910Based Tchaikovsky telling it like it is.
Most kantian composer?
>>124419910Based, he destroyed that tranny composer.
>>124419083doesn’t matter, the performance is too fucking slow and therefore must die.
>>124419842not interested in what you’re interested IN, pedophile apologist pajeet
>>124419910trannies versus faggots, let them fight
what is the best recording of mozart's horn concerti
>>124420351Not interested in what you're interested IN insomniac
>>124420364as far as i know, dennis brain is still the undisputed king of those pieces, but i'm pretty sure all his stuff is in mono (and also unfortunately with karajan as accompanist)>>124420365not interested in what you’re interested IN, pedophile apologist pajeet
New bread>>124420490>>124420490>>124420490>>124420490
>>124420494Not quite interested in what you're interested IN insomniac
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