Greatest 20th century composer - Rachmaninoff - edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfkyW_uVBQThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129075119
first for dodecaphonic supremacy
>>129082673>Greatest 20th century composer - RachmaninoffEmpirically irrefutable.
>>129082673>RachmaninoffGOAT, unlike Schoenberg (a hack).
>>129082701>>129082711Approved.>>129082698Disapproved.
Rachmaninoff is the 2nd worst composer of all time
please don't carry over your slapfight cross-thread
>>129082728Only on the opposite day, yes
>>129082701
>>129082698Based>>129082701>>129082711Cringe
>>129082755Priori truth is that Rachmaninoff was the greatest composer of the 20th century.
>>129082728Who's the first one?
>>129082701>>129082711Redpilled>>129082698Bluepilled
>>129082780Dvorak, remember this is only on the opposite day. So Dvorak is the greatest composer.
The fact that Hofmann only ever touched Rachmaninoff, and not the modernists, almost certainly shows the worthlessness of the SVS. You have no ear for nuance, nor depth, so you force yourself to appreciate the perceived, fake nuance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rifauIaq6NI
>>129082780Sibelius, naturally.
Thanks for the cliquespam.
The big 4 of /classical/
>>129083000That was already established, you posted a wrong pic.
>>129083047Cringe. We will throw these mediocre kitschmongers into slavery, and teach them to venerate the German spirit and to worship the German God.
>>129083072
>>129083000>>129083047Anyone who doesn't include Palestrina in the top four is a tourist who doesn't actually know classical music.
listeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raOKQVlPAV4
Critics and academia has never been in such incongruence with the public as in 20th century. It was one of the first signs of decadence and artistic decline. Picrel is what we have come to. From Da Vinci, Friedrich and Monet, to picrel.>>129083298Whatever you say, tard.
>>129083389At least try to make your bait believable
>>129083407Bait should be believableDogma should be defensibleRitual should be repeatableLiturgy should be legibleBelief should be beautifulWhat fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
>>129083439>Sacred Festival Stage PlayMate, he was writing the high school musical of his time. Call me when he writes something other than boring ass opera
>>129083480Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>>129083407>make your ideas more accessible for my midwit brainwashed mind
>>129083493Am I talking to a real person or just ChatGPT
>>129083499Is it truly music if it does not compel you to envision greatness? Is it truly music unless you start undressing yourself and dancing around like a nude mad chimp? Is it music unless it makes you feel sexually violated? Is it music if it does not make you shout and moan in orgasmic pleasure? Ask yourself this...where is the sex that you were promised? Where is the chosen messiah? Where?W.https://youtu.be/9GhGuEW4k5w
Anyway, Boulez.https://youtube.com/watch?v=-ZpNlxoXpQg
>>129083545Is this piece actually good? Like Berg's Piano Sonata? Or is it more like Ives' Concord Sonata?
Im learning clarinet, what are some great compositions that use them that I should learn
continuing the Craig Sheppard Beethoven piano sonatas cycle>Between January 2003 and May 2004 at Seattle’s Meany Theater, Craig Sheppard played Beethoven’s 32 piano sonatas in chronological order over seven recitals.4thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xetI1IKvjQ&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=145thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JNIum0qUVg&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=186thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtqVNUVJWUA&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=20So far I'm liking it more than I thought.
>>129084033no idea on difficulty, i don't play any instrumentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxLlFqIyRZ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V39p4Fbgz_Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHt4PFKiQE0
Great thread so far.Exploring more of Hamelin's music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STLGIapdzoQ&list=OLAK5uy_mXVAXUIV0NgYq_E6qhfqDtRRrrK1ZqPlE&index=17
>>129084074Didn't know about that release, thanks for the shout.
>>129084070thanks, some parts are difficult but for the most part I can follow along
>>129084088Np. I was kind of hoping to find something more than Etudes from him and happened to stumble upon it. From 2023 I believe, so missing it would be understandable. How do you feel about his music? Sometimes I feel like he does wear his influences kinda heavy, like one piece feels very Alkan, the next more Scriabin/Sorabji-esque. Haven't heard alot of Medtner though, which is a bit sad.
>>129084157>Sometimes I feel like he does wear his influences kinda heavy,Yeah most if not all contemporary classical is like that. Cotemporary art in general really, literature included.And I'll have to listen to that recording before I can judge.
>>129084176>ost if not all contemporary classical is like thatI mean to be fair even the past is a bit like that. Sometimes I listen to Beethoven and think "this is literally like 2 steps removed from a Haydn piece".>And I'll have to listen to that recording before I can judge.Fair, I'm still in the middle of it myself, I was mostly speaking about his previous etudes and such.
>>129061561> To the anon who tried some of this set the other day and didn't care for it: the performance of the 4th was great, so I got a lot of faith in Bernstein when it comes to these later Tchaikovsky works, so if you're interested, you should give these a chance too. Shame he didn't record the Manfred Symphony.Just listened. I agree Bernstein's 4th is better than his attempt at 6th but recording quality issues are still there.
>>129084015>The Second Sonata, roughly a half hour in duration, frequently features complex, dense three- and four-part counterpoint. It is extremely demanding of the performer (pianist Yvonne Loriod "is said to have burst into tears when faced with the prospect" of performing it) and much of the piece is characterized by aggressive, violent, highly energetic writing that some writers have seen as a reflection of the composer's desire for a music that "should be collective hysteria and spells, violently of the present time"
Why does he make /classical/ seethe? He's objectively a good composer and nearly every popular musician names him as an influence. Is it jealousy?
>>129084388my god he has a face like a horse. i had never seen a photograph of him before
>>129084388He and Webern are of course the highest quality composers we know of here - their sense of artistic accomplishment unrivaled, of musical merit there can be no doubt, the creative conjurations have to be heard to be believed, in sonic supremacy they undoubted reign supreme. God bless modernism for gifting us these great men.
Webern's great but Cage is hot garbage
>>129084015>Boulez>goodYes, hes as well regarded as Cage and Webern for a reason. Another sonorous superman of the ages.
>>129082673>Greatest 20th century composer - RachmaninoffYou seem to be mistaken, that would be Debussy
>>129084513Both of you meant Medtner, but its ok, at least now we all agree on the truth.
>>129082865Have you already listened through this list and none of them are it?https://www.classicstoday.com/search-results/?search_composer_id=8115&search_composer=DVORAK%2C+ANTONIN&search_worktitle=Symphony+No.+9
>>129084486Both of their musical scores are only worth their weight in toilet paper, from which I would wipe my ass with. Not music.
>>129084388>Why does he make /classical/ seetheHe does? He was what got me into classical
Genuinely very upsetting that so many "great" composers of history wasted their time on tonality bullshit. Even ancient Chinese music from 4th century AD is more advanced than most European classical simply because its 12 tone.
>>1290847074th century BC rather. I assume lots of Greek and Roman musicians also solved the tonality problem but the knowledge was lost and suppressed during the Christian dark ages.
Top 5 baroque composers?
>>129084735Taco BellBachBach JrBach Jr IIHandel
When the Adagio Lamentoso hits, there's nothing quite like it. It becomes a part of you momentarily. Have you ever cried listening to it?
>>129084707>>129084720You are a complete idiot.
>>129084785I have not cried in a while, let alone to a piece of music. The things that have happened in my life in the past made me rather upset, but these days I don't have anything like that. Mostly I am content in general and not prone to negative feelings like I was.
>>129084874I used to be like you, listen long enough and you too will realize what a disaster tonality has been to music.
>>129084931Thank you mere exposure retard.
>>129084931Facts
how did he do it
>>129085080The majority of work is uncomplete, tons of it have sloppy rushed endings where you can tell he intended to do something else but couldn't finish it properly
>>129085080Slop merchantry worthy of Mozart.
Schoenberg and Webern clearly achieved mastery of the atonal language.
Is this really how they composed music back in the 1400s?
>>129085219They were indeed masters of making measured sonorous sounds.
>>129085219Schoenberg was too much of a wimp to push it to its limits. There are way too many traces of romanticism in his work.
>>129084388He himself admitted that he did not have enough talent to write traditional music so he had to rely on gimmicks.
>>129085248True, we prefer music totally separated from human perceptions of music here.
>>129085267Source?
>>129085267>he did not have enough talent to write traditional music so he had to rely on gimmicks.Modernism in a nutshell.
>>129084874I'm afraid that you have fallen for so-called "ragebait"
>>129085268Our perceptions can be flawed/can change. The fact that you think there is some kind of baseline unchanging "human perception" only proves your ignorance
>>129085275>>129085267Nvm I just remembered it >I certainly had no feeling for harmony, and Schoenberg thought that that would make it impossible for me to write music. He said, "You'll come to a wall you won't be able to get through." I said, "Well then, I'll beat my head against that wall." I quite literally began hitting things, and developed a music of percussion that involved noises.-John Cage
>>129085267None of us are listening to John Cage for the traditional music experience
>>129085291>Our perceptions can be flawed/can change.Very true, such as the perception that a prescriptive form of composition divorced from our sense of human musicality has any worth at all.
>>129085287Not particularly, I put in less effort and care to call him an idiot than he put in to type that nonsense up and upload pictures for it.
>>129085337>human musicalityNot a real thing. Bach has clouded your vision with tonal deceit
Wagner and Mahler clearly achieved mastery of the tonal language.
>>129085352>Not a real thing.>Bach created tonalityYou are a complete idiot.
>>129082701no way the greatest composer of the 20th century wrote tonal music
>>129085355>shit all over tonality and pave the way for Schoenberg/SVS>don't even have unique tunings, let alone any care for tonal nuances>tonal masteryLol.Lmao. Verfication not required.
Just accept that Wagner raped your mind and move on.
/metal/ herehave fun with our resident lolcowjust wait a few years until he moves onto his next music phaseremember : no point in arguing with him, everno matter how right you are, he will never admit you are and will constantly try to defend his nonsense, no matter how insanely dumb said nonsense isgood luck my dudes
>>129085401Brahms had gay sex (top) with Wagner and gave him AIDS that Wagner died from.
>>129085413No one asked. Go back to /metal/.
>>129085413He can't be that bad
>>129085459dude got banned from every board known to man for being an overly confrontational spergexcept for reddit, funnily enough
>>129085482No one asked. Go back to /metal/.
>>129076083Is this based on the Passapied from here >>129080585 ?
>>129085489when you go back to plebbit lmao
>>129085520No one asked. Go back to /metal/.
>>129084927I didn't mean crying like a child. Music can sometimes overwhelm me emotionally and make me tear up. The finale of Pathetique does that to me every now and then. Has music never made you tear up? How about films?>happened in my life in the past made me rather upsetUpset, as in, weeping? What about?
>crying to musicEmbarrassing.
Who is his /classical/-equivalent?
>>129085529>Has music never made you tear up? How about films?When I was younger I was probably much more prone to crying over films than others, but as a male you have to learn to stop yourself from that, else you will be punished by the others, even your parents. Eventually the only things that can make you cry are actual tragedies in your life, and once you cry too much over those you become sickly aware of yourself, so too those tears dry up unless you intentionally indulge in them. You become cast in stone.>What about?This is neither soc nor b neither r9k or any other blog board, but obviously in regards to interpersonal relationships and their sour tales, from family, friends, and beyond. I prefer to be alone and stick to detached online communication now.
>>129085604Fucking hell that post was even gayer than a man crying while watching Twilight. HOMO ALERT!
>>129085551>>129085579>>129085646When are you returning to /metal/?
>>129085654Gonna cry some more, crybaby?
>>129085670Go back to /metal/.
>>129085604>as a male you have to learn to stop yourself from that, else you will be punished by the others, even your parents.I get ya. It sucks to have parents like that. There's nothing wrong with tearing up to art. I've never cried in front of others, it can only happen when I'm alone.
>>129085673Yeah dude my dad beat me for crying during that one sad Young Sheldon episode, hate that asshole.
>>129085673To be fair to them, they probably teach their children that way because they know what happens to men who cry in front of others. In a sense it is a self feeding system: because no one else is allowed to, the people who do will be ostracised and mocked by others, so you are forced into the group without much choice. Any interactions with the greater majority will result in the sanding down and erosion of your own self, and this is true in regards for any personality trait you have. Society, civilization, the masses, their goal is to fashion you into a tool for their use, they are more imperialist than any empire is towards other cultures. I had been thinking about these types of things recently, perhaps I will try to be more emotionally involved with what I am listening to in the future. Maybe I am missing some aspects that might otherwise be of more value if I did, who knows.
>>129085789One of the worst attempts at trying to sound deep I have ever witnessed. Actually embarrassing.
>>129085697>>129085811Go back to /metal/.
>129085789 That's a sharp observation. Yes, is it obviously culturally enforced. Some cultures don't have that self feeding system, and men are 'allowed' to cry.>Society, civilization, the masses, their goal is to fashion you into a tool for their useThis is true to some extent I imagine. After all, whatever makes us stronger remains in our biological or cultural DNA. If society needs emotionless, cold and obedient soldiers, then they will strip you of your humanity and mold you into a flesh vassal.>Maybe I am missing some aspects that might otherwise be of more value if I didI can't say for sure, but maybe yeah. I assumed we're all emotionally invested into music, but some of us tend to be more emotional by nature.
Scratch>>129085811This >>129085922 is even gayer
what a bunch of crybaby trannies talking about their feelings and bad childhoods in a fucking classical music general fuck off you homos
>>129085938>>129085961I just laughed out loud. Calm down brothers, accept that some of us are emotional crybabies deep inside.
>>129084785I don't think I cried but I do find it very hard to applaud after it ends. One time I saw it live someone started clapping almost immediately - before the conductor even turned to the audience. Recently I cried during a performance of Alyssa Wang - Swept Away.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9C0DBVr_k>>129085934>>129085922Take mushrooms if you want a way to connect to your emotions. Music becomes incredibly moving.
>Dude when Stockhausen made that Swedish paraplegic fart in the mic and scream "Hulabalugu" that got me right in my feels
Anyway, Ornstein.https://youtu.be/ijhDi-PDfLk
>>129084735Bachvon BiberRameauSchutzBuxtehude
>>129085934Ultimately the need to crush individuality is driven by a war driven societal outlook stemming from a scarcity of resources, a scarcity that never need exist in the first place. We spend 10 times the amount of farm land to feed animals in order to feed us, when we could very easily just use 10x less area to feed ourselves with the food that we feed to animals. It is a fabricated competition, an imaginary issue, and a nonsense game with dreadful results. Watching the war in east Europe could really only be described as tragic comedy, imagine dying because one rich person you'll never meet wants to take over the other rich person you'll never meet. It is the same way as the "housing crisis", it is an intentional design of the system, a new game for the greater majority to fight and destroy each other over.
^Holy fucking shit this guy is a fucking fag
>>129086089Great post. You're right.I would only add that even in such hard conditions, some naturally find their ways to individuality. And the opposite is true as well, the soldiers in Ukraine, most of them at least, weren't forcefully drafted, they chose to fight, instead of "preserving" their individuality they chose the collective good (it should be noted that many psychopaths and/or sociopaths are there for personal gains as well). So culture can only do so much, ultimately it rests on both genetics and chance.
Official Hurwitz:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViakOYUv_MI
>>129086443He sounds more interesting and informative there than he usually does. I feel he puts little effort into his videos nowdays, even if they are still fun to watch.
why are scriabincels like this
/classical/, aka outer /hurwitz/
>ywn have a qt3.14 opera singing gfhttps://youtu.be/lP9V7_fevgQ?si=yD4Wn6g8vu3RjNzX
>>129086421>Great post.And likewise yours. I have personally already decided to flee at any moments notice of any war, I have no interest in whatever fabricated games the majority are playing, any idea that any war is necessary in our current age is one of their many delusions. >weren't forcefully draftedWe ought not forget that many however were carried away in vans, for men the only real safety is to leave the country the second the war breaks out, otherwise you are looked at as another disposable piece of meat to die in a ridiculous fashion. Only women are protected in war. >>129086066This was very nice, I had only really looked at early Ornstein with his tone cluster madness (having heard he softened later on and not much was mentioned about it), but this piece is very enjoyable.
>>129085228horrifying
>>129084785It is extremely powerful
>>129086651Same here. There's a good chance if world war breaks out that my country will be heavily affected. I'm certain we'd be crushed momentarily, but they would draft us anyway. I would rather die at home by my own hands than fight for someone and something I don't owe anything to.Funny how we ended up discussing this after a post about Tchaikovsky 6th's finale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfOb4VqSrQE
*coughs*
>>129086743In a world war, we would all be affected due to the likely nuclear fallout, but even ignoring that, modern war has no glory or honor left to it which might offer something to someone participating in it(if war ever had such qualities to them). Nothing but idle boredom sitting in a hole or crossing fields until a missile (or drone now I suppose) sent from kilometers away smashes you to bits without any possible fore-warning, there is nothing masculine or heroic about it. Its a pathetic death that awaits anyone who bothers with it, only to be romanticized after the fact. >Funny how we ended up discussing this after a post about Tchaikovsky 6th's finale.Very true, its a nice subversion of the usual triumphant ending - in stark contrast to his bombastic and nationalist 1812 Overture.
If a classical composer was a rockstar, they'd be...>Joseph HaydnThe BeatlesBoth are fun but overrated in relation to their contemporaries.>Wolfgang Amadeus MozartMichael JacksonBoth child prodigies that created popular music that was inspirational for a generation. Both have a signature sound and personality and died too young.>Ludwig van Beethoven Kanye WestWest and Beethoven were both inspired by Jackson and Mozart respectfully. They are / were misunderstood artists that bring forth dramatic and important music in their respected genres.>Claude DebussyAnimal CollectiveKnown for their colorful sound that can be both experimental and beautiful to listen to.>Igor Stravinsky Pink FloydStravinsky is the biggest name in modern music whereas Pink Floyd is the biggest in progressive. Both artists experimented with structure, timing and harmonies.>John Cage Captain BeefheartBoth were weirdos that created some very compelling (and occasionally comical) experimental music.I won't elaborate on these:>Frédéric Chopin Radiohead>Pyotr TchaikovskyDavid Bowie>Richard Wagner Godspeed You! Black Emperor>Béla Bartók DJ Shadow>Arnold Schoenberg Swans>Steve Reich Aphex Twin
>>129087181Dreadful post.
>>129087181what are you doing?
>>129087181Worst post ever
>>129086989I can go an entire day without clearing my throat, what the FUCK is going on at these concerts? Mass hysteria induced coughing disease?
>>129087181What compels someone to write something this gay?
The French only lack in the symphony.
>>129087190>>129087195>>129087205>>129087224just hide and report it.
>>129086625Brutal
>>129087230composing a symphony requires a high degree of organization, discipline, and discernment. so it's understandable why they have failed in that area.
>>129087280explain Russia then.
Gave up on writing another symphony. Its a lot harder than it looks
Symphonies are overblown spectacles often with worse writing because of the gimmicks that the orchestra allows for. We prefer solo instrument and chamber here.
>>129087313>Its a lot harder than it looksDoes anyone think it looks easy?
>>129087313melanated post.
>>129087230There are good ones but none that live comfortably in the pantheon
now playingstart of Borodin: Symphony No. 1www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbLyROIWVM&list=OLAK5uy_lmqfUmwDNWqie7MY5LdcDC51xlPR9oJRs&index=1start of Borodin: Symphony No. 2www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXLeEcxS5c&list=OLAK5uy_lmqfUmwDNWqie7MY5LdcDC51xlPR9oJRs&index=5start of Borodin: Symphony No. 3 (Unfinished)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFWkdmz1vkk&list=OLAK5uy_lmqfUmwDNWqie7MY5LdcDC51xlPR9oJRs&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lmqfUmwDNWqie7MY5LdcDC51xlPR9oJRs
>>129087346At first I thought I could just write for one instrument and gradually expand on that, but actually writing for multiple and making it all work together is a whole different feat. This is my fourth unfinished symphony.
>>129087357What, like Chausson, Bizet, Saint-Saens, Roussel, zzzzzzzzzthey do sound nice but in one ear and out the other, y'know?
>>129087381Just listen to Bolero over and over again until you figure out how to use timbre to create the illusion of movement and form without actually having to write anything decent.
The French do have some great string quartets but I wish they had at least one long (9+) SQ cycle to their name. Instead they all have like one, two at most. Too obsessed with the piano I guess.
>>129087394Frank's D minor and Vierne's A minor are quite good. Widor also put in some good work.
>>129087455>Vierne>WidorNot familiar. Thanks, will check them out.
What is that one Ravel song they ripped off for the Zelda theme?
There are so many recordings of Verdi's Requiem it's a little daunting. So tonight, let's go with the K-man (even though he has like 5 different recordings of it!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqg8rdsRVk0&list=OLAK5uy_lPBSw8H-JFT4CMxpUVm431uHd3sTyV5pU&index=9
>>129087522https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUP5EABjG1A
>has his picture taken>looks the opposite way>composes "sonatine">is larger and more impressive than 99% of the regular sonata repertoirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZvf_xDHxHw&list=PLxSrW2AO85tyuby8jobMfkHRSmj2lZkNl&index=6
>>129087579Next time. What are the essential Fricsay recordings anyway? Beethoven 9, that Verdi Requiem, I think he has a famous Beethoven piano concerto recording. Surely he has more?
>>129087587Size isn't the "A all B all"
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Lohengrin, conducted by Wolfgang Sawallisch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NzjBikbdRg&list=OLAK5uy_mJ2GU82vDBxFUyS3E3jhPoAwivJpnZkj8&index=7>When one talks about Lohengrin recordings one usually talks about Kempe's 60's recording, and justly so. There is one recording though that I haven't heard mention, but which in my opinion wins on several fronts from Kempe. This is the Bayreuth 1962 recording with Wolfgang Sawallisch conducting. The overlap between these two consists of Jess Thomas; in both recordings he sings Lohengrin. He is for both sets equally committed to the title role, but for Sawallisch he compensates a slightly less beautiful tone with the excitement of listening to his live performance.
>>129087722>Opera>FagnerNot listening!
>>129087587Halt mein bier:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDn7B35Mqg
I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k
Wagner caused the world wars.
Bach's WTC is an astonishing monument to human achievement, creativity, and spirit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZAhD7cx2kQ&list=OLAK5uy_niuBG3f5wSLexWCEX2nVbTi56vtoD8MDc&index=12
>>129087722Will listen to this tonight.
In terms of contribution to value, what's the split on operas between the music and the plot/characters/themes? Some reviews talk only about the music, yet others will say something like,>I write all that simply to emphasize that Lohengrin is not just some incessantly beautiful romantic tragedy (which it is) but a profound examination of the crossroads in the human psyche after the slow demise of paganism in the West.and it makes me wonder if it's more of a 60/40 split instead of the 90/10 I'd normally think.
Can someone explain to me what differences in sound arise from 19th century fingering with stringed instruments? I see people mention it as something of value to be heard on old recordings but I don't know what they're talking about.
>>129088187and they call it a book of exercises. exercises!
/classical/'s favorite piece of every decade AS DECIDED BY VOTE:1580s: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - Canticum Canticorum1590s: William Byrd - My Ladye Nevells Booke1600s: Claudio Monteverdi - L'Orfeo1610s: Carlo Gesualdo - Tenebrae Responsoria1620s: Samuel Scheidt - Tabulatura Nova1630s: Girolamo Frescobaldi - Fiori Musicali1640s: Giacomo Carissimi - Jephte1650s: Heinrich Schutz - Symphoniae Sacrae III1660s: Francesco Cavalli - Ercole Amante1670s: Jean-Baptiste Lully - Cadmus et Hermione1680s: Henry Purcell - Dido & Aeneas1690s: A. Corelli - Twelve Trio-Sonatas, Op. 41700s: A. Scarlatti - Il Mitridate Eupatore1710s: F. Couperin - Second Livre de Pieces de Clavecin1720s: J. S. Bach - The Well-Tempered Clavier Book I1730s: G. B. Pergolesi - Stabat Mater1740s: C. P. E. Bach - Wurttemberg Sonatas1750s: J. S. Bach - The Art of Fugue1760s: C. W. Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice1770s: Joseph Haydn - String Quartets, Op. 201780s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphony No. 411790s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem1800s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 31810s: Gioachino Rossini - The Barber of Seville1820s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 91830s: Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique1840s: Mikhail Glinka - Ruslan and Lyudmila1850s: Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B Minor1860s: Johannes Brahms - A German Requiem1870s: Richard Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen1880s: Richard Wagner - Parsifal1890s: Giacomo Puccini - La Boheme1900s: Richard Strauss - Elektra1910s: Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 91920s: Arnold Schoenberg - Variations for Orchestra, Op. 311930s: Edgar Varese - Ionisation1940s: Olivier Messiaen - Turangalila Symphony1950s: Iannis Xenakis - Metastaseis1960s: Harry Partch - Delusion of the Fury1970s: Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 11980s: Gérard Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques1990s: Brian Ferneyhough - Terrain2000s: Georges Aperghis - Avis de Tempête2010s: Andrew Norman - Play2020s: William Bland - Piano Sonata No. 17
>>129088327fuck off.
Discographies like Paul Hillier's fascinate me. It's a mix of super early, pre orchestral/pre Bach and modernist choral music. You've got Schutz yet Avro Part, Tallis yet Kurt Weill, Lassus and Cornago (whoever these Renaissance guys are) yet Lopes-Graça and Stochkhausen. Wild. I love it.thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69bAy9vzjCc&list=OLAK5uy_kGwQIn8R_9XcuJ9eJT0SfvoVypdyyaDew&index=2and this (damn this is awesome actually)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92wM0QpDTw&list=OLAK5uy_kYjT2yVDKYkaVA97GNm5SSjxYBVR1GqH0&index=12I guess when you love the sound of the human voice that much, everything else is secondary.
>>129088327Berlioz and Glinka are fine, but really nothing better in the 1830s and 40s than those? And I don't believe there's nothing better in the 1930s than Varese anything lol.These early /classical/ guys really loved their opera, huh.
>>129088327>2020s: William Bland - Piano Sonata No. 17not badhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cic3V0Was>2010s: Andrew Norman - PlayI guess it sounds exactly what I'd except from this type of avant-classicalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzHeWjW0ug0>2000s: Georges Aperghis - Avis de Tempêtegenuinely the worst thing I ever heard. reminds me of stuff like Intersystems and P16.D4 I used to like (or pretend to) when I was an RYMsister but... worsehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOwVBnr4Asois this really the best we have to offer?
>>129088453>is this really the best we have to offer?it's the best urine plebs like you deserve to have trickled upon.
>>129088528Wow, rude much???
>>129088576speak when you're given the permission to.
>>129088327>1900s: Richard Strauss - Elektrasurely Mahler 6?
now playingstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 3 in D major, Op. 18/3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkEjPjkXCfk&list=OLAK5uy_lOIJ_x5nRhM0Z67TtQSLdamYU8IxpMYa8&index=18start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 4 in C minor, Op. 18/4:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IRxKRQAUro&list=OLAK5uy_lOIJ_x5nRhM0Z67TtQSLdamYU8IxpMYa8&index=21https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lOIJ_x5nRhM0Z67TtQSLdamYU8IxpMYa8
>>129088608If I wasn't 5'8 120lbs I'd beat you up
>bardcore>its just 20th century folk music with vaguely medieval sounding instruments
>>129088453>William Bland - Piano Sonata No. 17>not badIts complete shite. I would take any of Hamelin's meme pieces over this. Hell I would take this chopin fused with tranime-ost sonata over it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED0G_Vm9vMAAnd yes, I did just spend 2 hours looking for 2020 piano music, and this was the best I could come up with that wasn't some Greek guy using synth pianos for his compositions (but that was actually the best thing I found).
Also now that I spent 2 hours searching modern music, I can safely say classical is fucking DEAD. Literally all there is are minimalist ost-tier bullshit, dumb atonal faggots still shitting their pants on stage, and then the rest is popslop youtuber core. No joke, this genre is done 100%.>>129089056>>129088453I forgot I also found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsjVZHrGk0k which was at least enjoyable.
>>129089106Replying to myself again, but saying this was enjoyable is very much too strong of a word, in the context of the horrid slop I endured searching through 2020 classical "music", it was enjoyable in comparison.
>>129089106You just don't know where to look, anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1hClYiYoY&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKQAI_rNsVU&list=OLAK5uy_mOIBLudXIaojoaeAkoC_uUwXRx99M8Ayc&index=4
>>129089106The Ratboy Genius guy is unironically a good composerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DR1kjI1uY
>stringed instruments in the baroque period were played with animal gut stringsdamn, thats pretty metal
>>129089214>female composers with female performersHoly not listening!Also in the alternative timeline where I still clicked on these links, I would call them utter kitsch schlock at the level of the Chopin tranime sonata I linked before. Actually probably even worse, maybe. That is of course assuming I clicked on any of these links and gave these females a fair chance given the dire status of modern music, which I would never do.
>>129089262a bullet going through your empty skull would be pretty metal too.
>>129089276Why the aggression, im just sharing an insteresting classical fact I learned
>>129089275I think both and the rest of the recordings they're on are pretty good.
>>129089291My condolences.
who are the best classical guitarists from 1500-1800?
let's get choral with Telemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5kfRIlqtz0&list=OLAK5uy_mb6FqtpCNK0VWn4o1YeE2tN10mCP2FVEU&index=29
Kubelik is such a great conductor. Doesn't do anything overtly special aside from possessing a poetic touch.
>>129088453>avant-classicalThis hipster hole never disappoints
I do admit Lohengrin does sound like a long orchestral lieder which makes it actually listenable
The sine wave is objectively the most pure soundform. Classical music should be played on synths
Life-changinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX0G5mTtaS4&list=OLAK5uy_niNWGvwu5PVLhLMmYqW94or_AcoFo-cx4&index=1Along with Brahms' German Requiem and Verdi's Requiem, *the* choral piece of the romantic era? Perhaps. (Sorry Mendelssohn, but Elijah is just a tad too classically influenced).
Then again...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1azJmI4o_sw&list=OLAK5uy_mB3dlKXtvIGnYZftb27Es3wB3CybODSbU&index=11This is pretty amazing. Fine, we'll call it a top four. Good night.
as above, so below
>>129087403That's actually more difficult than writing a normal symphony.
Callashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-TwMfgaDC8
>>129083047>ScriabinBased
>love is a gypsy child>he has never heard of lawkek
>It was my good fortune to know and spend time with Maria Callas, about whom I have previously written three books. She often amazed me with previously unsuspected areas of interest, but never more so than one day in August 1968. She was in Dallas recovering from a fall in which she had cracked several ribs. I picked her up one day for a doctor's appointment, and as I started the car, the radio came on. A symphony was being played. When I reached over to turn it off, she said, "No, leave it. The Beethoven Eighth is a favorite of mine.>That was a surprise - a soprano, even a Callas, who loved and recognized Beethoven's Eighth! As I drove and she listened, Callas became more and more impatient. "That phrase is wrong. Where's the line going? No! What's he doing there? It doesn't breathe. Oh, this is nonsense." We reached the doctor's office before the record had finished, and she insisted on sitting in the parking lot until the end to find out who the conductor was. After the final chord, the announcer said, "You have just heard a performance of the Eighth Symphony of Beethoven with the Cleveland Orchestra conducted by George Szell.">"Well, she sighed, "you see what we have been reduced to. We are now in a time when a Szell is considered a master. How small he was next to Furtwängler." Reeling in disbelief - not at her verdict, with which I agreed, but from the unvarnished acuteness of it - I stammered, "But how do you know Furtwängler? You never sang with him.">"How do you think?" She stared at me with equal disbelief. "He started his career after the war in Italy. I heard dozens of his concerts there. To me, he was Beethoven."
>sistershitter was SO LOW IQ that he called Callas chads hisster sistersHoly deaf shitter. Infinitely dumber than I thought. Looking at the archives, I would kick his ass again if he ever came back. Little twat.
Callas-approved Beethoven 8. Ultra-giga pleb filter of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyoY7-pbnQ
Classical music died with the last romantics. All your Szells and Goulds and Boulezs are total hacks with zero artistry and extraordinarily low intelligence, and they should never ever be mentioned in these threads. /classical/ should be militant 19th century traditionalist general that strongly opposes anything "new", " ugly" and "modern".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5vFFr6-IWM&list=OLAK5uy_mJanaqu4ViJZdhktHnmfDFtx96Zjnrs0I&index=1
>>129091113Not him. But i’d knock yer fookin’ block off, matje…
>>129091166thank you decadent sister
>>129085219>>129085248>too much of a wimp to push it to its limitsEvery traditional atonal work can be made more atonal by remapping the notes to 13EDO.
>>129091179We don’t get it.>>129091197Yer yellow belly’d pussy.
>>129091113stop posting about your husbando
>Beethoven himself interpreted his own music with a lot of freedom. Beethoven wrote: "my tempi are valid only for the first bars, as feeling and expression must have their own tempo", and "why do they annoy me by asking for my tempi? Either they are good musicians and ought to know how to play my music, or they are bad musicians and in that case my indications would be of no avail".Based.
Favorite Wagner opera?
learning scales from different musical traditions based on different tunings is enlightening.
>Furtwängler's recordings are characterized by an "extraordinary sound wealth ", special emphasis being placed on cellos, double basses, percussion and woodwind instruments.>This fluid beat created slight gaps between the sounds made by the musicians, allowing listeners to distinguish all the instruments in the orchestra, even in tutti sections. Vladimir Ashkenazy once said: "I never heard such beautiful fortissimi as Furtwängler's." According to Yehudi Menuhin, Furtwängler's fluid beat was more difficult but superior than Toscanini's very precise beat(!!!)>Unlike Otto Klemperer, Furtwängler did not try to suppress emotion in performance, instead giving a hyper romantic aspect to his interpretations.Based.
>Noble Sir! I am heartily delighted that you share my own opinion concerning the terms to indicate tempo, which still stem from the barbarous days of music; for, to take only one example, what can be more nonsensical than allegro which simply means merry, how far away we often are from this notion of this tempo, so that the music itself says the opposite of the indication. As far as these four principal tempi are concerned, which incidentally do not possess anywhere near the truth or importance of the four principal winds, we would gladly do without them. But the words that indicate the character of the piece are a different matter. These we cannot abandon, since the tempo is really more the body of a piece, while these terms refer to its very spirit. As far as I am concerned, I have long been thinking of abandoning these nonsensical terms allegro, andante, adagio, presto, and Mälzel’s metronome gives us the best opportunity to do so. I give you my word here and now that I will never use them again in any of my new compositions. Another question is whether by doing so we will further the much needed proliferation of the metronome—I hardly think so. But I have little doubt that we will be decried as tyrants and yet, if the cause itself were really served in the process, it would be better at any rate than to be accused of feudalism. That is why I believe it would be best, especially for our countries, in which music has become a national necessity, and every village schoolmaster must be urged to use the metronome, for Malzel to try to sell a certain number of metronomes by subscription at higher prices, and as soon as his costs have been covered by that number he will be in a position to provide the remaining metronomes for the musical needs of the nation so cheaply that we may surely expect their most widespread use and distribution.
>>129091166>>129091205The little pussycat has to wait some time before he deletes your posts in order to maintain the illusion that he is not a janny.Let us enjoy his impotent seething in the meantime!
>>129091258Parsifal
>>129091258Lohengrin>>129091284Meds
>>129091251Mahler talks about this.>There is desperately little that one can say about tempo or, indeed, about the overall view and structure of a work, as we are dealing here with something living and flowing, something that can never remain the same, not even twice in a row. That is why metronome markings are inadequate and almost worthless, as the tempo must have changed after the second bar if the work is not simply being rattled off, despicably, in the manner of a barrel organ. Far less important than the initial speed, therefore, is the correct relationship between the individual sections.
>>129091205>We don’t get it.Compare Furtwangler's Beethoven 8 >>129091133 to the awful garbage that is Szell's:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFEoZt8Vx_cI mean, if you can't hear why Szell is so bad, there's no helping you. It's evident from the first 15 seconds which conductor is superior, but feel free to pretend otherwise.>>129091320>as we are dealing here with something living and flowing,BASED and CORRECTpilled.
I can't even finish Szell's Beethoven anymore. It sounds like absolute disaster next to Furtwangler's. What made him commit this atrocity? There's not a single phrase that sounds the way it should, metronome probably plays in the background too.
Modern conducting finds its roots in the sense of tempo and advancements in orchestration of Weber, Beethoven and Berlioz, as well as the standards set by Habeneck on the orchestra. But it was first turned into a unified idea, and tradition, under Wagner. The greats of conducting have all issued from the Wagnerian tradition, or out of a discourse with it. Wagner taught Bulow and Richter who spread his ideas to the next generation, Siedl, Nikisch, Mottl, Weingartner, Mahler, Strauss, and so on to Walter, Furtwangler, Bohm etc. Every one of those conductors confirm as such in their own words. His leaps of innovation were of such size that people do not refer to anyone before him, but are still reading his essays to learn the art of conducting. He even laid the basis for Schenkerian analysis in these essays.
>>129091258Meistersinger.
In Meistersinger's harmonies, one hears the echoes of Bach's intricate counterpoint, as if the ghostly specter of the Baroque master had momentarily forsaken the organ in favor of the opera house.Richard Wagner once said of Johann Sebastian Bach’s music: “That made me what I am. My unending melody is predestined in it.” In Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, Wagner demonstrated to post-Tristan sceptics his mastery of traditional musical forms. Sonorous chorales, an overture which Wagner described as 'applied Bach', a fugally-inspired toccata, an unforgettable quintet and counterpoint worthy of Bach all feature in this magnificent score celebrating the marriage of inspiration and tradition.The whole of Die Meistersinger— shaping itself before our very ears — is Wagner's answer to his critics, a song offered them to meet their specifications, filled with all the things they demanded and found wanting in his other work: diatonic structures, counterpoint, singable tunes, ensembles, folk dances worthy of Weber and chorales worthy of Bach.
The differences are even more stark in orchestral music than piano/chamber music, since ther'es so much more room for expression, variety and color. How do I get back to modern recordings after getting blackpilled?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZVM8ID54ho>>129091346Before Wagner, it was Chopin. And before Chopin, it was Beethoven and so on. Have you listened to how Koczalski - a direct descendant of Chopin's school of pianism - plays Chopin vs any modern interpreter? That's exacty the difference between Furtwangler and modern conductors who fail in tempo rubato and pretty much everything else. Wagner didn't invent anything new, but he promoted what was good, he had a good ear.
>>1290883272020s: William BlandYou can say that again
Greatest piece of the 1840's is objectively the 4th ballade. Maybe I could concede to Barcarolle, Polonaise-fantaisie if the argument is strong enough, however it's not negotiable outside of that. It follows, that the geatest piece of the entire 19th century or 2nd millennium is the 4th ballade and there's nothing you can do about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA9NYhAbUYg
>>129091468thank you decadent sister
>>129091490You're fat and incapable of fighting, and much more importantly, incapable of listening and discerning quality from garbage.
>classical thread>posts Russian Romantic eraWhat did xim/xer/they mean by this?
>>129091462>Greatest piece of the 1840'sIs objectively Lohengrin.>geatest piece of the entire 19th century or 2nd millenniumIs the Ring Cycle.
>>129091593Objectively false. Wagner's tricks were handled better by Bruckner and Mahler. All of which can bow down before the true master.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZu5z5u_jM
*sneezes*
>>129091113I do remember that thread. >looking at the archivesoh god so my dumb posts live on forever? ;o
>>129091258
>>129091685Yes, but fortunately our real identities stay undisclosed so we can shitpost with no consequences.
Women like Chopin and his shitty overrated piano piecesInferior Men like Heavy Metal and Patrician musical genres.Ubermenchen like Wagner, and when I say like, I actually mean they are gay for Wagner. These Men are quite rare as they got sexually activated by the SUPERIOR music of Wagner, only a bunch of rare prodigies can accomplish this feat.
>>129091690clean your grotty nails you fucking nigger.
>>129091690>Sausage fingerslmfaooo
>>129091715jannies and glowniggers know who we are though.
>>129091716>overratedThank you reddit.
>>129091728Glowies? Maybe, they can find out at a moment's notice if they wanted to. Jannies? No.
>>129091745mods can see the IP address of each post. this place isn't as anonymous as you think it is.
>>129091655>Wagner's tricks were handled better by Bruckner and Mahler.In all me experience I never seen an intelligent person prefer Mahler to Wagner.
>>129091726I have soft ladylike fingers, not sausage fingers.
>>129091766America is a third world country.
>>129091554what would you call the umbrella of music from the baroque through the romantic era as well as modern music that's born from that tradition? personally I would be okay with calling it all western classical music outside of a musical history discussion
>>129091791Faustian.
>>129091753Mods can't, only admins can, and they'd need to go through some shit to actually know my identity based solely on IP. In many countries we are legally protected against doxxing as well, and it has not happened before as far as I'm aware. So it's not that bad. The worst thing that could happen is another breach where all our IPs would be made public. Even then, it's not THAT terrible lmao
>>129091802toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe. they're all janitors to me.
>>129091840qrd?
Can't stop listening to Callas. Best Callas recordings?
Keep misogynistic bile out of /classical/.
Surely, this must be the best Liebestod?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3pHkzUerc
>>129091840He defeated Hector thoughever so Hector is lower than him.
We don't really need /bleep/ and /metal/ lores here. Please stop posting.
>>129091993Its /mu/ lore and future /classical/ lore once the other general falls, this place is ran by the most incompetent retards and ugliest freaks on planet earth, and they laugh about it together on the janitor/mod discord.
>>129091734nta but tbf chopin and mahler are very popular on reddit. i don't hold this against them but when in glass houses...
>>129091919>>129091965>>129092013not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129092027The female mod posts here, so it has a lot to do with /classical/. Every so often she will come and delete the posts she doesn't like. The only upside to her is that she doesn't ban as frequently as she used to, only if you make fun of her pet Ratthew janitor too much.
>>129092026You'd surely know, redditor.
Wagner has become my only relief in this world. His music speaks to me in ways that I can't even describe. I feel soothed and sated, all my agony and disturbance is emptied in a blank canvas that Wagner created, like a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat around a young boy's shoulders to let him know that the world hadn't ended.https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=rCiBFCBupRbmLKUj&t=396
>>129092057You sound like a paranoid schizophrenic. We really don't need more of your kind around here. Fuck off back to your home general.
When I am in a bad mood, it is enough for me to think of Wagner to find my smile again. The mere idea that such light has pervaded the world consoles me!
>>129092013>future /classical/ lore once the other general fallsDo you think you're in the Lord of the Rings? /classical/ is not Gondor, please stop spamming this nonsense here, no one is interested.
>>129092075>Alexandre Bakyikes
>>129092097you're right. It's actually Rivendell.
>>129092087We can only pray, literally anyone would be better suited for the job. >>129092084>>129092097Thank you ignorant and manipulated masses.
>>1290921494chan is not real life.
>>129092159This, but the complete opposite. It is in fact very apparent that all simulated communities and their structures emulate real life. In the same way that modern stock markets are just an insider's game, so too was this emulated in video games where for instance in games like Runescape they had tiny wealthy groups intentionally buy up and manipulate the prices of things for their benefit, or set up faked gambling fixes to cheat the masses out of their shitty vidya coinsJust like America is ruled over by the worst and most incompetent psychopaths imaginable, so too is 4cuck.org ran by the shittiest and ugliest freaks you could manage to gather together. Ratthew being given janitor status is the exact proof that online communities are the same as real life, only the most stupid, least worthwhile option is picked to rule over you. 4chan is suffering from the same culture decay as the society you participate in around you.
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Cello Sonata in C Major, Op. 119https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmrbClCMvjI&list=OLAK5uy_laAunXN10mQAYzEh8yW51JFP1YwQviyts&index=2start of Rachmaninoff: Cello Sonata in G Minor, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29RmWtktD70&list=OLAK5uy_laAunXN10mQAYzEh8yW51JFP1YwQviyts&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_laAunXN10mQAYzEh8yW51JFP1YwQviyts>The prize here is the Rachmaninoff cello sonata, a warm, hyper-Romantic musical tapestry that gives both the pianist and cellist a major workout. Ma is a superb chamber-music player, as is Ax. Both offer the kind of artistic give-and-take that a great performance of this music requires, while neither weighs the music down with excessive indulgence. The Prokofiev, a very different sort of musical beast, is a much lighter work, but it's done no less well. This is one of Ma's best chamber-music discs. --David HurwitzEssential recording of essential cello masterpieces.
129092245Holy shit, this might be the most embarrassing 4chan post in history.
>>129082673He's not even the best composer from his conservatory class.
>>129084735JS BachTelemannHandelScarlattiRameau
I feel like trying a new set of Rachmaninoff's piano concertos. Anyone familiar with this one (Vondracek/Brauner/Prague)? Came out in 2023, recorded during the Covid lockdown. Also considering Shelley/Thomson/Scottish National Orchestra but that's an older set, and then also thinking about revisiting Wang/Dudamel/Los Angeles. I'll post all three for comparison if anyone wants to give their opinion, Vondracek/Brauner (2023)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jw_nGnSAac&list=OLAK5uy_ncJnmixxXUutBQHxmjARt2JuzaeJXCDog&index=1Shelly/Thomson (1989/1990)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJP-AS-ZDtY&list=OLAK5uy_lgt8NFzmgeW00wiLhhWhNgKrB8HPUQvWM&index=1Wang/Dudamel (2023)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTfYOGqXk5Q&list=OLAK5uy_n20F2oQ9Hh9oEpMB3bpxviCfzOGuWy9rs&index=4
>>129092362Nah I think that was the one where Ratthew posted his license showing that hes 5'8" and 120lbs.
>>129092379true
Ophélie Gaillard's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPmm7ywstY&list=OLAK5uy_msEHafke5L4uJ0hqTOczzOZ5LPDbLjbzQ&index=3
>>129092379Rachmaninoff is the greatest composer of the 20th century, period. Stop the babble.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZU9wGVX7VQ
>>129089487That's all you got out of my post? You know what I mean, anon. Mid-to-late 20th century modern classical. There, happy?
Alexandra Papastefanou's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz5VYG1uSx4&list=OLAK5uy_nXH3mpREsNUcbx3RbNgbutWsNVia5uYdE&index=21Starting each and every day with an hour or so of Bach's music is salubrious for the mind and soul.
>>129084288True, it's probably not a set I'll ever return to. Onwards to another Tchaikovsky set! Actually I think I'll revisit that B*chkov one, I'm on a modern recording kick.And I don't know about you but the Bernstein Tchaikovsky 4th, 5th, and 6th with the VPO are unlistenable. Maybe one day I'll come to like them and their horrifically slow tempo but today is not that day.
>Onwards to another Tchaikovsky set!
>>129092677Yes. This Temirkanov one I'm currently listening to is really good (just shy of great).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmBo3wB0d_s&list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w&index=1
now playing, another modern composer discovered, named Lepo Sumerastart of Sumera: Symphony No. 1www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSsvi4uOwsA&list=OLAK5uy_mDs5amOg6F5D58hiFso5-Br4whxuKqk_U&index=1start of Sumera: Symphony No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cirqcOx37b0&list=OLAK5uy_mDs5amOg6F5D58hiFso5-Br4whxuKqk_U&index=3https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDs5amOg6F5D58hiFso5-Br4whxuKqk_Ureview excerpt from the blog I found out about this recording on,>Whenever I don’t know a composer’s music well before reviewing a disc of it, I always do a lot of homework prior to beginning my write-up. In this way I became acquainted with a fair number of Lepo Sumera’s works over several weeks this past spring. Discovering his sound world has been a joy, and I’ll repeat what I said in June: this First Symphony in particular is a late-20th-century masterpiece and proof that the symphonic tradition was evolving instead of dying. This recording is a sharp testament to the merits of both symphonies included and was a highlight of my reviewing year.Hopefully that other anon who was interested in trying out some contemporary classical sees this and gives this a try along with me. Fingers crossed it's good!
How is Furtwangler's Tchaikovsky? I actually have not listened to it. Knowing how good his Beethoven is, I bet it's wonderful. Not that most of you would know what's good tho
>>129092723Did not know he even had any Tchaikovsky. I personally wouldn't waste my time on it for a few reasons (ex. poor recording quality, skepticism of Furtwangler with Tchaikovsky), but if you're a big Furtwangler fan, go for it. I recently added a Klemperer set that has Tchaikovsky's late symphonies on it that I'm excited to try, so who am I to judge, as it's roughly the equivalent of what you're interested in (though the recording quality is pretty good). But yeah, with so many great Tchaikovsky sets with excellent sound quality, I don't know why you'd bother.
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>>129092745>with so many great Tchaikovsky sets with excellent sound quality, I don't know why you'd bother.With so many excellent quality Beethoven symphonies, none of them are as great as Furtwangler's. Why wouldn't I bother? The bettet question would be, why don't (You) bother? Are you deaf or retarded?
>>129092700Sounds like minimalist schlock. Per norgard will be the last decent composer for the rest of time, classical is dead. >>129092764>Delissio: 6 Pepperoni sonatas
>>129092786The difference is Furtwangler is known for his Beethoven. I do hold the same view in that there are many modern sets of at least equal performance quality and far superior sound quality, so there's little reason to listen to his recordings anymore, but it's at least understandable -- hell, I started with Furtwangler's Beethoven (and Schubert 9th). But when he's not known for the Tchaikovsky, again, I'd only recommend trying it if you're a huge Furtwangler fan, which it's starting to sound like you are.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZIePhTExikhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ebn-H9NfE&list=OLAK5uy_l6myAzTGMv_rz61XVgWlm0nsjTORzCdCQ&index=19Hope you enjoy!
>>129092814>Sounds like minimalist schlockKeep listening.
>>129092825>many modern sets of at least equal performance qualitySuch as? I've listened to quite a few, they're almost as terrible as Szell sometimes. Link the best performance of the 8th symphony and I'll listen in a while.
>>129092825Do not attempt to reason with HISS fiends, who will not listen to anything that doesn't have white noise louder than the instruments, constant crackling, and random volume changes that butcher every theme. Their ideal live concert experience would be having a very loud old tv stuck on the salt and pepper war channel playing in the background throughout the entire thing.
>>129092835>Keep listeningHow many post-African repetitions can you ask a man to tolerate and listen to?
>>129092855There is no 'best', it depends what you like. Barenboim is close to the modern Furtwangler, so I'd suggest his first, as his Beethoven is fantastic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5wCfYfwwh4&list=OLAK5uy_ni8-dQCGVsAYpGKG_t1FYt7MyUIAxfN9k&index=5Then as backup, I'd suggest Blomstedt/Dresdenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od6zQvvZDQ0&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=30And, of course, Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkH_OeZzZU8&list=OLAK5uy_nhN2Yat-dAC08OfZn3tg16DTkXr__iEcE&index=30Hope you enjoy!>>129092875Since they only keep naming Furtwangler and Szell, I think they're less a hiss sister and just a newbie, so I'm happy to try and help them out, their rude, crass behavior notwithstanding.
>>129091791I dont use umbrella terms.
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>>129092902Are you seriously recommending me Karajan? LOL. Are you deafI've heard the other 2. Blomstedt used to be my favorite set. I suppose I'll give Barenboim another try since it's been a while.
>>129092933Take it down a notch and chill, anon. Taste varies from person to person, which is why we have different sets and interpretations at all. Recommending Karajan is a matter of covering my bases. It'd be dereliction if I didn't at least suggest his Beethoven.
>>129092945His Beethoven is not worth recommending to any newcomer, man. He's a first choice in Sibelius, late Bruckner, his Mahler 9, and SVS, maybe, but not in Beethoven.
