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they call it long march because it takes a long march from the test stand
RULORandom Unscheduled Lift Off
>>16262494new and strange editing technique
don't let us die /sfg/... at least ask elon for a lift for us...
>>16262499Nobody cares shut up
Clear watching the post launch conference and doing her thing providing EN translations again. Thank you Clear!Clear is also suffering from a twitchy eye today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tf-2im7OCY
when is clear interviewing elon
>>16262282>I want a credible explanation for this extreme drift the H3 loves doingThis island, H2 did them as well.
>>16262509isn't it a terrible choice for an island launch site if they can't launch straight south?
>>16262511Florida launches also require a dog leg for polar orbits.
Elon should forcefeed clear English lessons and have her host the official streams
Don't be so negative about the Chinese fireworks, that rocket has enthusiasm, it can't wait to fly.
>>16262517and KSC doesn't have to deal with the inconvenience of being on an island, a real one where you can't just drive in over a bridge. the only good reason to pick an island off your mainland's coast is so you can launch to whatever inclination you want.
>>16262529>the only good reason to pick an island off your mainland's coast is so you can launch to whatever inclination you want.Actually the best reason you would pick an island is so you can have unlimited launch cadence without the populace sneeding about starships blowing out their windows every hour. Unfortunately tanegashima has like 20k people on it.
Successful H3 launch is successful
>>16262490Why does the middle of the rocket start smoking as its falling? Proton did this too
>>16262581I think a lot of it is just the smoke and partially burnt fuel getting sucked up into the low pressure area behind the falling rocket.The lower half of the booster is also where the fuel tank is, so if there are any leaks or ruptures the fire is going to be very fuel-rich, making it dark and sooty.
>>16262490We dont normaly see these kinds of leaks of china fucking up because of the great chinese firewall. CCP is going to crack down hard now.
>>16262490unironically a successful test
>>16262613Part of these kinds of tests is looking if their is damage to the engines and structure after the test. Cant do that now.
>>16262610The firewall is easy to circumvent for anyone even a little tech savvy. Really viral shit like this doesn't even need to breach it since it can spread enough on their own platforms before it is stamped out. The consequences of hurting national feelings is the bigger problem than the lack of easy access to outside media platforms.
>>16262610CCP isnt going to do shit lol. You're a fucking retard
>>16262581Not built to spec of free falling while tumbling, so cracks and leaks are to be expected.
>>16262628Educate yourself, wumao.
>>16262581>>16262610>Rocketry With Chinese Characteristics
>>16262631HA you can eat my shit
>>16262490"Once rocket go up,Who care where come down?That not my department,"Says Wengchang von Blaun!
It's okay when SpaceX blows up a rocket
>>16262719depends how they blow up, for some reason this seems to be too difficult to understand
>>16262719SpaceX doesnt drops it's boosters on american homes.
>>16262723if they did you'd defend it
>>16262728if it was on your house then yes
>>16262610Ah yes, barely missing a village with a hydrazine stink bomb. I see nothing has changed, very implessive
>>16262498>1546080630878.jpg<new
Can’t really explain why but my thought process is:>proton rocket flips and blows upI point and laugh at the incompetency>china drops boosters on populated areas and lets a static fire rocket looseI shrug and say it’s fine. A little crazy, but fine
>>16262719It's always okay to blow up a rocket if it's kino.
>>16262581>If engine is pointing up you are having a bad problem and you will not be going to space today
>>16262793XD
SPEHS
>>16262719I’m ok with china blowing up this one too.
LISTEN TO ME, THE ASTRONAUTS AREN'T STRANDEDthey are just having an undefined extension (months, years, who knows) to their trip
>>16262490whoah what happened there
Hi it's me Tim Dodd the everyday astronaut welcome back to Starbase
>>16262868thats insane
>>16262590>I think a lot of it is just the smoke and partially burnt fuel getting sucked up into the low pressure area behind the falling rocket.This. You can see dust getting stuck like this behind cars.
>>16262494It's named after the Long March, which had 32 days.
>>16262728I would
>>16262859I'm not homeless, I'm merely housing-challenged.
>>16262869yeah>>16262880person experiencing homelessness (not made up)
which beverage is Elon Musk enjoying?
>>16262866s̶t̶a̶t̶i̶c̶ dynamic fire
>>16262882estrogen
>>16262882nectar of the gods (diet coke)
>>16262900Tooth-solvent trash
>>16262882Rum-coke on ice it seems, with a bit of lime.
So it's monday. Still no starliner update? Really getting that noggin joggin nasa
>>16262882RP-1
>>16262902You are weak
>>16262517West Palm beach is about 35 miles east of KSC, launching straight south would go over (highly populated) land
JAXA slides on future reusability
>>16262925this shit is like 4 years old and you’re only posting it becuase you saw it on twitter
>>16262928yes and?
>>16262929so my point is this general has become “hey look at what the twitter algorithm showed me. I love spitter rofl!”
>>16262910nta but I always prefered the coke with sugar, not the fake diet coke.
I've been growing portobello shroomies for awhile now for the purpose of hydrazine extraction. does anyone on here know a good source of nitrogen tetroxide?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1807816199608406172
>>16262728hell yeah I would
>>16262931Yes and? If you got something else relevant, post. Seeting about spitter for no reason other than to seethe is counterproductive
>>16262973what, if anything, do we make of this tweet?
>>16262923>West Palm beach is about 35 miles east of KSCIt's in the Atlantic Ocean?
>>16262979!!
>>16262982latitude genius
>>16262879>>16262976> muskrats are slavish as ccp bugsno surprise there
>>16262989Elon could literally kill my father, rape my sister and mother, drown my dog. He could dwstroy my career and burn my home to the ground. Fuck and impregnate my girlfriend (if I had one). All while I watch in horror, but still I would support him at the end of the day. Anything that gets us closer to Mars and I mean it. I dont think anyone here can really comprehend perfect devotion
Today I learned that Brazil has a landscape resembling that of Titan. Except on Titan the dunes are made of water and the water is made of liquid methane.
>>16262985>ESL still doesn't know the meaning of the word "east"
>>16262998That's just begging for a rainforest
>>16263005why. Its right next to a real rainforest anyway.
>>16262991>Fuck and impregnate my girlfriendelon only does artificial insemination, he never had sex (but you're still a cuck)
>>16263007why are all his children male
>>16263007Lmfao if you actually believe this. Holy crap if you ACTUALLY believe this ahahaha
>>16263009I think he actually had a bio girl recently>>16263010it’s true and it’s disgusting cody
>>16263014>i never saw him have sex>therefore he never diddude, he fucks every cute intern that walks in the door. it is what it is
>>16263006Forest biome > desert biome
If elon never had sex in his life, then why does everybody think elon cucked johhny depp?
>>16263019left one is hotter.
>>16263019I'm just watching the second part of the Starbase tour and Elon seems very awkward.
>>16263019Apparently he took a poop in Depp's bed and had a threesome with those two girls (Amber was married). She was ultimately banished to Spain and name changed to Martha Jane Cannary
>>16263017That’s degenerate
>>16263031Honestly that's what I've been doing. They always fall for it, they think I'm in love with them
>>16263017and yet never had a child through normal means, curious
>>16263034Your sentence makes zero sense.
>>16263032>that's what I've been doinghow do you do it
>>16263025First time watching him talk?He is always akward.
>>16263038Just be confident (or fake confident) the first few times you meet them. Make them laugh, act like you own the place.
>>16263025he's the King of Spergs
How to cope with the fact that Starship launches look mundane?
>>16263061I think I like Starship better than Saturn V. Hard to make myself admit this, but I suppose it’s the natural order of things. Technology is supposed to get better and better and SS-SH represents the next step up from Saturn V.Space Launch System can guzzle a dick it isn’t even close
>>16263069I agree; nostalgia about the old way of doing things stops you from looking at the way new things are better, and obsolete machinery should not have capabilities you wish you still had.
Post Starship kino
>>16263019also made amber heard wear a cosplay costume and posted it on x lmaoI think the post is deleted now thoughhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1701772977061392643>She did dress up as Mercy. It was awesome.
>finally go to space and board the ISS>it reeks like SHITCan you really blame him for becoming disillusioned?
https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1807838335546568764>Aftermath. The drop zone of the of SpacePioneer/Tianbing’s Tianlong 3.
>>16263081Cant be as bad as MIR. That place had new lifeforms growing behind the panels.
At least the first flight was aesthetic
https://x.com/stormhqwx/status/1807830274794729579Isn’t this the party boat that would always float by during the hop campaign?
>>16263097I was pretty sure that boat was a local operation
>>16263097Different ship iirc, pretty sure it's a charter out of Port Isabel
>>16263082not terrible, truth be told
>>16262494Usually, rockets are supposed to do thatAnyway, different company, different rockets
>>16263081>ISS smells like shit>Axiom space uses ISS to kick off new space station>gets infected with shit smell
>>16263081>>16263115damn I remember this. blame the american astronaunt for that.
>>16263081they just need to roll down a window every once in a while, let the place air out.
>>16262723No, they just drop Dragon trunks and Falcon COPVs on farms and camping sites. Apparently, designing them such that they would reliably burn up on reentry or drop into the ocean was just too much effort.Also an ISS battery was recently dropped on a house in Floridahttps://spacenews.com/nasa-and-spacex-studying-ways-to-mitigate-dragon-trunk-debris/https://www.space.com/spacex-rocket-debris-found-washington-farm
>>16262499They didn't survive the launch. NASA trying to figure out how to fake their return.
>>16262610We see these literally every time they happen
>>16263119>>16263124If you read the articles you would find out that most of the time they burn up in return but sometimes pieces survive and they are looking in to it so it will always burn up in the future. They admit there is a problem, and they are trying to fix it, this is not only spaceX, but nasa who wants to adress the problem. You can find these articles on google with no problem. Now compare that to CCP china that has been dropping it's stages for half a century now on rural china and doesnt seem to give a fuck, knowingly dropping hypergolic stages on them. The most recent test with the rocket that ripped itself from the platform and went up, china claimed the onboard computer shut down and the rocket was nowhere close to civilisation, meanwhile we know both of those are massive lies. We see the engine blow up, not a shutdown, and from the several vidoes and from maps we can see how close the towns where. All fucking lies by the CCP. I know you wumao's are going to turn this in to a "see its okay if spaceX/the US does it" hypocrit thing, but that's bullshit. I'm sick and fucking tired about you wumao's always trying to pull a whataboutism, it's so cheap and pathetic.
>>16263134No we dont.
>>16263141>sometimes pieces surviveHence why I added "reliably">they are trying to fix it>Now compare that to CCP china that has been dropping it's stages for half a century now on rural china Xichang is the biggest source of the problem and it had its first launch in 1990. They're also slowly working to fix the issue - the fix is Wenchang - so I guess they're excused too.
>>16263134>>16263142We can't know
>>16262719>>16263124>but what aboutPutting aside that SpaceX's fuckup doesn't excuse your government's malicious disregard for human life.An inert structural member that has unintentionally survived re-entry isn't the same as knowingly and repeatedly raining nitric acid on your own populace chang. Bottled cancer raining from the sky every time you launch isn't a "oops it happened again teehee" contingency, it's the default outcome your space agency expects and your government doesn't give a solitary fuck it happens.
>nsf thinks tower 2 will be fully stacked by mid augustthat's fast
>>16263152China has been testing&launching rockets from deep inside china since the start of the cold war, and the first stages had to go somewhere all those decades.What you are saying is bullshit. And the only way to "fix" it is to have the stages do a controled landing like falcon 9, but i dont see the chinese pulling that off as good as spaceX did. >>16263155Yeah that happens in a communist hellhole that has complete control over the media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpc8Kcg8lNE>SpaceX Gears Up for First Super Heavy Booster Catch! | Starbase Update
>>16263163Remember just few days after IFT-4 launch when Musk said he was going to catch at next attempt?People then predicted it would take 6months - 1+ years to build the second tower. And thus if IFT-5 fails to catch, SpaceX would be set back by 1+ years because of lack of towers. Horse shits
>>16263174it will take a year to build the second tower, stacking the tower doesnt mean its finished. they still need to add the wench, elevator, launch stand, etc.
>>16263179-t boeing engineer
>>16263163that is based on the big crane config and some paperwork given to the FAA (I guess its so high it might be a flight hazard?)pic from >>16263169
>>16263186heights of the configs
>>16263141>china claimedSpace Pioneer claimed>We see the engine blow up, not a shutdownWhile SP is certainly trying to put a positive spin on things, this is not necessarily technically a lie. The computer was probably programmed to immediately shut the engines down if it detected anything wrong with any part of the propulsion system.>the rocket was nowhere close to civilisationThe sentence SP used was 火箭跌落在距离试车台西南1.5公里的深山中,箭体跌落山中后解体。本次试验地点远离巩义市区. Google Translate translates this as>The rocket fell into a deep mountain 1.5 kilometers southwest of the test platform, and the rocket body disintegrated after falling into the mountain. The test site is far away from the urban area of Gongyi"Far away" is relative. Although, translating just 远离, it apparently just means "away" or "removed", with no "far" in it by itself, that's something Google Translate added. I have no idea what the exact connotations are of 远离 in terms of magnitude. Again, it seems SP is trying to put a positive spin on things without technically lying.https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/6K2mdDWviOlk30oU-JH90Q
>>16263160They're exactly the same thing. Both are cases of not bothering with the effort to go the extra mile to reduce risk to the public down to zero. The only difference one can argue about is in the degree of risk.
>>16263164I don't think Taiyuan and Jiuquan have nearly the same level of population density in the drop zones>complete control over the media.Evidently, either the control is not complete, or they do not care about exercising control on this matter, because otherwise we wouldn't be seeing any of this at all
>>16263190First, we only have their word that it even had a shutdown computer, second, if it had one, it did jack shit by the looks of it. Third, they where very lucky it went the way it did, because on the opposite side of the launchsite the towns where a lot closer.
>>16263203>I don't think Taiyuan and Jiuquan have nearly the same level of population density in the drop zones>It's okay because less people live there. And we know the CCP is trying to crack down hard on VPN's in china, because all these leaks usually find their way over the great chinese firewall via VPN's.
can they make ship 12m while keeping booster 9m?
>>16263207>It's okay because less people live there.Yes, at a certain level it is. Vessels go to every part of the high seas, even east of New Zealand, yet it's still considered an acceptably safe place to crash space junk. There is no place that is entirely and always void of people. Actually, the South China Sea might be a more dangerous place to drop stages than the Gobi wastes around of Jiuquan.
>>16263223what would be the point?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1807632775664771336
>>16263204I don't know what you mean by "shutdown computer". I don't think there needs to be a special computer for that.The computer shutting the engines down in case of a malfunction being detected would be an entirely normal and sensible way to prepare a test like this. It's a very reasonable to think that the computer would have been programmed in such a manner.>if it had one, it did jack shit by the looks of it.What do you base this assessment on? To me it looks like the engines performed normally, until some kind of malfunction caused a kerosene leak (black smoke) at which point the engines began to wind down. This wind-down may have been due to the malfunction itself, or it may have been due to the computer detecting the malfunction and shutting the engines down.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dU9uWN3fYQIt certainly didn't run out of propellant, as we could see from the explosion on impact.>they where very lucky it went the way it didCertainly
>>16263207>all these leaks usually find their way over the great chinese firewall via VPN'sThey're apparently not doing much to censor such "leaks". I could find such news and videos on Weibo with a simple search.https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E5%A4%A9%E5%85%B5%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80%E5%B7%A9%E4%B9%89https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%81%AB%E7%AE%AD%E5%9D%A0%E8%90%BD%20%E8%B4%B5%E5%B7%9E
>>16263073>drone gets shaken by shockwave at 0:36kino
>>16263250Somebody click that link because trust weibo even less then tiktok.
>>16263230more engines and easier landing on moon
I have been wondering for a while now, could we use lasers and sails to propel satellites and avoid orbit decay, hence, keeping them for longer? Or is the added mass of the sail + the cost of(probably a gigawatt) a laser too expensive to work?
>>16263260think about what causes orbital decay and think about what effect a sail would have on that.
>>16263260Of you want a satellite orbit to last forever just put it in a higher orbitSail+laser is for interstellar flybys
>>16263077how did he pressure her into wearing such a silly costume? Bribes?
>>16263082Looks like they decimated the whole extant population of Ginkgo Biloba
>>16263270this is just another spaceflight "challenge" that gets solved by doing away with mass autism. launch a 10 ton air filtration system. launch big ass replacement filters for it every 6 months. smell gone never to return.
>>16263160>unintentionallyThat's an interesting way of saying they considered it too expensive or cumbersome to design it in such a way that it would certainly burn up or fall in the ocean. It's not like they paused launching to redesign Dragon after this happened; it has happened several times. So they've clearly very intentionally decided to accept this risk.It's not like CASC is intentionally aiming at villages when they launch either
>>16263267https://youtu.be/m37G-06ibAU?si=K6KGCpt1y8XQ5b3w
>>16263257I mean why would you make them different diameters? thats retarded
>>16263270>NASA just announced a partnership to put an Indian in the ISSoh no no no no no
>>16263278just fly up some plants and shit.
>>16263270there’s no smell on the ISS if you just remove atmosphere
>>16263285An IVA-only station… unique!
>>16263079keynote
>>16263285What if we had open-vacuum space stations of sorts. Instead of trying to keep everything hermetically closed everyone just wears a durable space suit and is permanently inside a spacesuit.
>>16263285do submarines smell as bad as the ISS? surely submarine atmosphere keeping tech can be adapted to space.
>>16263292I’ll piggyback with an even dumber question: why did they even bother pressurizing the CSM/LM during apollo? Couldn’t they have just been a vacuum capsule with IVA suits?My guess is that we do these things (give astronauts pressurized vehicles and stations) because we realize the need for human comforts, to a degree. You wouldn’t want to go do a 365ish day stint on the ISS and be in the same IVA suit the whole time.
>>16263298Well also submarines routinely surface and probably have their entire interior airmass renewed pretty often. I think the record for a submarine submersion is only like 200-300 days.The ISS has 20 years of recycled air
>>16263304>The ISS has 20 years of recycled airwhat if we calculate in all the air capsule that dock bring in?
>>16263309Hmm yeah I don’t know the logistics of it but I’m sure they actually bring up air (chiefly oxygen) from time to time. I guess when I said ‘recycled air’ I didn’t literally mean it has the exact same air as fuel 1999 or whatever lol. Just that it’s very stale, moldy, smelly air that has to be recycled for long periods
>>16263292What is the point of 365/24/7 manned space stations anyway
>>16263270just send up a tank of O2 and N2 every couple months wtf
>>16263316clearly not to do animal reproduction experiments in space
>>16263267Most of the time girls will just do whatever you tell them.
>>16263316to collect 30 years of experimental samples (that get destroyed because of some female astronaunt shitting in space anyway)
>>16263270Also the freefall means you have blobs of water lurking out of sight acting as breeding grounds for bacteria.
>>16263316We do these things not because they are easy but because humans have autism and america has lots of money and can afford to front the bill for robotic space exploration of the solar system, expensive telescopes, and humans to new frontiers that are more likely than not going to be huge money-making plots of real estate in the future, and even throwing billions-trillion at space it is still but a teeny tiny % of our overall piggybank
>>16263329this is the actual JFK quote btw
>>16263270I'm sure the ISS crew is enjoying the visit by the Boeing crew with only one pair of underwear for over a month now.
>>16263328how do we round up these blobs of water.
>>16263335Spin the ISS
>>16263341Ackshually it's already spinning so the same side of the ISS points down at Earth at all times.
>>16263341AAAAAAHHH!! THE SPINCELS ARE BACK I'M GOING INSAAANE!!
https://x.com/Firefly_Space/status/1807886185261359356>Happy launch day y'all! Alpha FLTA-005 now stands ready to fly 8 NASA CubeSats. Weather is green and the team is on track for liftoff from SLD 30 at 9:03 pm PDT. Livestream with @Nasaspaceflight will begin at T-30 minutes to launch. Get notified here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6nYZEVsMc0
>>16263190Cope all you want but it's a hilariously blatant lie. The computer shut down the engines after they started failing (high in the air) when it should have as soon as it broke free.
https://x.com/BigTechAlert/status/1807813744321257912
>>16263316So somebody has a first seat view of earth hitting the fan.
>>16263391sudo make rocket
>>16263316Law of the sea applies to space If US/international astronauts left then Russia could claim salvage rights
>>16263234In reality, Mechazilla's arms bounce around like a motherfucker when you close them quickly, so they don't get tight enough for the rails to slide under the holding points. I hope they try the catch for IFT5 but those arms are not nearly stable enough based on the recent tests
>>16263425ISS is remote controlled. I think they can only do that if the station has lost all connection to earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSiDTgB-NXY>Will Starship Get Bigger ? Propellant tank sizes and rocket diametersnew eager vid
>>16263436Eagers last video about why Starship is late was easily his best. People don't have a good grasp on just how much of a performance hit full reuse is.
>>16263433yeah, musk talked about this in the estrogenaut's vid, the arms are too long, it takes too much power to swing them and too much break power to slow them down. They need to be shorter to have more control. That's why the new towers arms will be a lot shorter. But that means they really need to pin down superheavy coming down to bullseye.
>>16263057Those engines relighting after separation
>>16263069The thing looks like the freight train equivalent of a rocket. It's so fantastically industrial.
I believe space planes are the future and not rockets
https://x.com/heospace/status/1807882620606599314>HEO captured images of the Resurs-P1 satellite in-orbit prior to the debris creation event. We’re seeing that Resurs-P1, P2, and P3 show anomalies around the deployment state of the solar arrays, which could explain what happened. We will be conducting more imaging missions.
>>16263439>People don't have a good grasp on just how much of a performance hit full reuse is.Probably more so on the stated margins that SpaceX was working with. On that SpaceX never clearly said how bad raptor one was or just how heavy starship really was.
>>16263368Is it a lie? They didn't specify exactly when the computer shut down the engines
>>16263473so it was an accident
>>16263484>16mLiterally suggested by nobody, at any point, ever.
>>16263487suggested by ELON MUSK YOU GAS LIGHTING FAAG!!!!
>>16263490source?
>>16263480Probably. It could have gotten winged by a piece of uncatalogued debris, but old derelict satellites have the bad habit of exploding more that most people realize.
>>16263493thought so faglmao
>thinks Starship will ever be above 9mdelusional
>>16263495Not like they're limited by the size of US roads for it, so why the fuck not.
>>16263497Because felon husk is a scam artist
>>16263495you're rightthe 12m next generation megaheavy will be named something different
EAGER SHITSKIN>inb4 source
>>16263436>video about starship>starts blabbering on about falcon 9 for almost 10 minutes
>>16263495Your dreams are small.
>>16263487>>16263495Newfagshttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1166856662336102401?lang=en
>>16263507You may want to check your eyes, it seems you're having trouble noticing the difference between 6 and 8.
>>16263471I believe that I will get a girlfriend one day.
>>16263495
>>16263507I'm not going to make an account faggot
>>16263436
18m implies propellant of 9200+ t (compared to the 1200t starship has now)
>>16263544>per m2what why, what’s wrong with comparing to volume
>>16263471You think so? I’m not so convinced but maybe you have some insight I don’t.
>>16263548assuming uniform wall thickness and cylindrical tanks, a given volume implies some specific area when you minimize the area with respect to volumeand the area is what tells you how much tank weight (roughly) you have to carry
>>16263544Do you really need a 17 minute video to say that the square-cube law grows a wet mass a lot faster than its dry mass, and that's good because mass ratios are important?
>>16263555no, but it summarized the video pretty welland the conclusion was also something I've been saying here beforeyes, a bigger diameter might be better, but they would have to re-do all of the infrastructure so it doesn't make sense in the short term
>>16263083https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/ames-science/ames-space-biosciences/multi-drug-resistant-bacteria-found-on-iss-mutating-to-become-functionally-distinct/
>>16263422>sudo make rocket*10 missed calls from Blue Origin*
>>16263471Somebody has to crack the engine issue. Space planes don't seem feasible without an engine that can do air-breathing sub/super/hypersonic flight and THEN switch to onboard oxidizer. Multiple engine types start eating the mass budget fast, and spaceplanes have a crappy budget.
>>16263553Yeah but the surface area of, say, a cube tank and a sphere tank could be wildly different while containing the same volume of fuel, no?Your mass will be wildly different if you assume surface area is directly correlated with tank mass
>>16263574Nobody's making cube or sphere rockets. You want to? Go nuts.
>>16263577
>>16263583And how did that go?
>>16263565God I fucking hope the Brits continue funding Reaction Engines. Not even a spaceplanefag but SABRE seems interesting if they could actually make it work.
>>16263604The precooler is very impressive and definitely a significant hurdle that they got past.Unfortunately, these engines have like four or five more hurdles of equal or greater difficulty.
>>16263607shotwell_fairing_refrigerator_story.txt
The New Glenn test article is currently free standing at LC-36
>>16263611can't wait to watch BO finally make it into orbit after 25 years
>>16263612I can't wait for it to become overshadowed by a fully reusable vehicle, starship
>>16263611new glenn is real, you've seen it down at lc-36
>>16263082It's lucky that it fell down in that little ravine. Most of the blast was deflected up. It it had hit a hillside facing the town, the over pressure would have broken a lot more windows than it did.
>>16263611Blue Origin seems to be very successful at making test articles
>>16263613The nice thing about New Glenn is that it's almost a superheavy lift rocket as it is right now. It's got plenty of payload capacity making the second stage reusable and still be the second largest commercial rocket in the world.
>>16263620>it's almost a superheavy lift rocket as it is right nowI don't think a paper rocket with an untested first stage test article counts as a superheavy lift rocket.
>>16263622I wouldn't call it a paper rocket. It's not operational yet, but it's pretty far from just being a powerpoint presentation
>>16263267> pressureLMAO
>>16263121The cost of allowing one fucking bitch where they don't belong: $30 billions wasted.
>>16263270>ssnffffffffffffff
https://x.com/sqm18astro/status/1807305066665419143>Asteroid 2024 MK [22:24~22:38JST]>Miraculously, it was clear in Tokyo too, so I was able to take some photos! It was so fast that you could see it moving at 1 second intervals. The width is about three full moons.We had an asteroid make a close flyby last night. 2024 MK didn't come exceptionally close, only 290,000 km, so it was inside lunar orbit but not near enough to be inside geostationary. That said, it was around 150-250m across so you could spot it with a fairly small telescope.
>>16263267>pressureHave you never heard of these women called cosplayers?
>>16262719blowing up a rocket on a farm in Texas, with clearly defined safety and evacuation zones and the rocket under active control: okayblowing up a rocket in a swamp in Texas, with clearly defined safety and evacuation zones and the rocket under active control: okayblowing up a rocket over the ocean off the coast of Florida, with clearly defined safety and evacuation zones and the rocket under active control: okaya rocket that escaped the test stand several hundred meters from a populated area with no active guidance or control suffering an in-flight failure that cut its flight short falling halfway between the test stand and a populated area: very much not okay
>>16263628September 29th of this year, and that’s a pretty hard deadline as it’s a NASA payload going to MarsI’m going to pound sand when it actually works and BO gets hardware in Mars orbit before SpaceX
>>16263668whats with this meme? lets get kim jongun and xi on it.
T-60:00If anyone is around in California, Nevada, or western Arizona you should have clear skies and a good chance to see something
>>16263675Here's the flight timeline so you can line up what you can expect to see when the rocket is visible
I support exploding rockets anywhere and everywhere so long as it advances spaceflight. Who cares about some e*rthers?Bonus points for kinography.
>>16263637She's pretty. I bet she's nice.
>>16262866rocket escaped the test stand and almost hit a city>>16262973yeah>>16263227everything on the ocean is mobile, and you can just publish a "don't be here" notice before launching so everybody has a chance to not be there when you do
>>16263681she actually is pretty nice
>>16263471stupid frogposter
WHO IS THAT QT???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28SCSyMUKMw
>>16263676>>16263675Dope.
>>16263199There is such a thing as an acceptable level of risk. The two are not equivalent.
"rocket" finna blow up
WHERE IS CLEAR???
>>16263668wow that's insane
>>16263285Biology requiring atmosphere is a temporary hurdle
>>16262991wtf i don't remember making this based post
>>16263723the answer is yes there are theoretical ways to remove atmosphere resistance in the direct path of a rocket
>>16263705opened the stream with one minute to launch
pathetic
megafail
HOLD
>>16263729Well I'm glad I wasn't watching for longer
Fuck this shit
hurr durr space is hard guys
>watch spacex stream>identical to the last 100>watch other rocket stream>rocket doesn't launch
just blow it up at this point, why is the stream still on? stop wasting everyones time
>>16263728Could the principal of supercavitation be applied to an object soaring through the lower atmosphere?
>>16263728>in the direct path of a rocketwhy stop there?
>rocket is called firefly>it doesn't glow in the dark with bioluminescence
>>16263742We don't need to remove the whole thing, just a tunnel between surface and LEO, temporarily.
>>16263743>rocket is call firefly>no fire>not flying
>>16263743>Firefly>no fire>doesn't fly
>>16263748fuck you that was my joke
So now no twilight laumch? I'm kms?
>>16263750puny minds in the same rut
>>16263745>We don't need to remove the whole thingWeak earther mindset
>keep your eyes on the rocket I guess but it's vandenbergkek
???????
>>16263737Theye so boring. The rocket never launches, Elon just goes on and on about bitcoins
fucking beta cucks
>Safing operations
what, another hold?!
firefly should just pivot away from rockets
helium problems, figures
What the fuck helium bitch
spacex doesnt use helium. be more like spacex and less like boeing.
Please understand, helium is extremely difficult to work with
It's not that easy in heliumery
>>16263263Well, you only have to deploy it when you want to push it back, also, would drag be that impactful? Aerodynamics don't seem that important when designing a satellite.
Are any of these chud literature? I don't want to waste time downloading something I'll just have to delete.
>>16263853Not spaceflight fuck off
>>16263853manchester and junger are very based. american caesar is one of my favorite books ever. hayek is a dreadful writer and anyone who recommends him has never actually read him.
>beryl has become a category 5 hurricaneapocalypse coming
>>16263912For the Yucatan. The forecast is for it to weaken to a tropical storm after making landfall and reentering the gulf.
>>16263912fixed that for you anon
>>16263918hurricanes usually slow down and chill in the gulf for a couple of days before heading towards land
>>16263853I've only read Masters of Doom, a very, very long time ago. Golden days of Id and Carmack going on to do Armadillo. Comfy. There's a memorable bit where Carmack teaches himself to card count, wins 20k, and gets kicked out. The Berger book kind of reminded me of it in style.Also, I just searched and apparently the audiobook is narrated by Wil Wheaton lol.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1808010887120240952
www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/7/1/us-wants-boeing-to-plead-guilty-to-fraud-over-fatal-crashes-lawyers-sayUS wants Boeing to plead guilty to fraud over fatal crashes, lawyers say Boeing said to have until end of the coming week to accept or reject prosecutors’ offer.
>>16264024Economy|AviationUS wants Boeing to plead guilty to fraud over fatal crashes, lawyers sayBoeing said to have until end of the coming week to accept or reject prosecutors’ offer.BoeingThe US Justice Department contends that Boeing violated an agreement intended to resolve a 2021 charge of conspiracy to defraud the US government [Ted S Warren/AP]Published On 1 Jul 20241 Jul 2024The United States Justice Department is pushing Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud in connection with two deadly plane crashes involving its 737 Max jetliners, according to several people who heard federal prosecutors detail a proposed offer Sunday.Boeing will have until the end of the coming week to accept or reject the offer, which includes the giant aerospace company agreeing to an independent monitor who would oversee its compliance with anti-fraud laws, they said.Keep readinglist of 4 itemslist 1 of 4Far right wins in first round of French electionslist 2 of 4What are the big issues that will decide the UK election?list 3 of 4Indonesian migrant worker band in Taiwan puts ‘system of slavery’ on noticelist 4 of 4Canada’s WestJet cancels most flights as mechanics strikeend of listThe case stems from the department’s determination that Boeing violated an agreement that was intended to resolve a 2021 charge of conspiracy to defraud the US government.Prosecutors alleged at the time that Boeing misled regulators who approved the 737 Max and set pilot-training requirements to fly the plane. The company blamed two relatively low-level employees for the fraud.The Justice Department told relatives of some of the 346 people who died in the 2018 and 2019 crashes about the plea offer during a video meeting.The family members, who want Boeing to face a criminal trial and pay a $24.8bn fine, reacted angrily. One said prosecutors were gaslighting the families; another shouted at them for several minutes when given a chance to speak.
>>16264025>>16264024>Boeing prosecutor found dead in suspected suicide
>>16264028Man it's stressful being around boeing litigation, I should look into that.
>>16264025>The family members, who want Boeing to face a criminal trial and pay a $24.8bn fineIsn't this excessive.
>>16264035maybe but so is SLS getting $23 billion
How long will the current launch bubble last? Surely they can't keep launching rockets like every day?
>>16264105even when starlink is 'done', they have 45000 sats or whatever, they'll still need to launch at about the same rate to maintain the constellation
>>16264108starlink is going to look tame and unambitious compared to what's coming once starship is flying 100x a year too
https://x.com/SpoxSpace/status/1807869202243457483
>>16262779The not so static fire and the proton should be in the same category, both very stupid mistakes.Dropping boosters on villages is just crazy though.
>>16264162yeah man that's insane
>>16262779for me proton's so funny because i've done the same thing in kerbal many times setting the control point upside down and it looks exactly the same when it happens
>>16264138>ERECFUCC
>>16264138reminder that SpaceX is doing twice the launches they were contracted for because Starmaligner keeps getting delayed
>>16264108they'll do refreshes/redesigns of the sats as well so there will always be an incentive to launch. really a great market even more so with how absolute dogshit all ISPs are (though mine is good so might be some west coast luck there)
>>16264105>>16264108When starlink is 'done' and launch cadence dips they'll rake in pallets of cash from starlink subscriptions without the ongoing expense of launches. The global commercial launch market collapsing because SpaceX launched everything is very bad, the starlink launch backlog collapsing because SpaceX launched all of them will open the cash floodgates.
https://www.nbd.com.cn/articles/2024-07-01/3449671.html"“我们发动机太好了,性能太强了。”上述工作人员说。他还表示,火箭(意外)升空后,公司主动关机让火箭掉下来,“这是我们先设置好,它必须关机,都是有预案的”。"Our engines are too good, the performances are too strong." The said staff member said. He also said that after the rocket (accidentally) lifted off, the company took the initiative to shut down the engine to let the rocket fall, "This is what we set up first, it must be shut down, all pre-planned."Unbelievably based chink.
>>16264228So he’s either telling the truth and this is based or he’s lying, becuase hullo manlet claims the engines exploded and that’s the only thing that stopped this stage from becoming a rapid unscheduled ICBM lol
>>16264229The test was supposed to last 30 seconds, they did send the order to shut it down after 30 seconds, sadly it exploded after only 15-20 seconds :(
>>16263689>everything on the ocean is mobile, and you can just publish a "don't be here" noticeYou can do the equivalent actions on land, if you care to, because people are mobile. Static objects like houses can be insured or paid compensation for
Why is BO slower than ULA?
>>16264242because Blue Origin’s mascot (the very essence of the ethos of the company) is a turtle—whilst ULA’s is a rocket with big lips
>>16264247Every company needs a mascot. What is SpaceX’s?
>>16263711What is the acceptable risk exactly? How do you weigh the risk against the economic/military/scientific need to launch? How do you balance the risk of launching inland versus the military need to keep your launch sites protected?Have you calculated the risk and benefit posed by SpaceX launches and concluded whether the risk vs benefit is acceptable? Big chunks falling on things like camping grounds suggests the risk might not have been that low. Dragon is mostly a vanity project anyway, and the benefit of launch is quite low, compared to for example observation, navigation and communication satellites that are critical military/economic national infrastructure, so the threshold of what is acceptable risk should be far lower for Dragon.Unlike CASCs large and mostly empty aluminium balloons, Dragon chunks and COPVs are hard to see, fall with high terminal velocity, and arrive with no advance warning
>>16264242The external customer probably had first dibs on the first batches of flight engines
>>16264249Jessiehttps://youtu.be/NLyrHGAXsRo
>>16264249goate 3:)
>>16264249Flap-chan.
>@FCC to @ITUradiocomms: It's not 'practicable for LEO constellations to deny coverage to selected geographic areas.Based FCC
>>16263853>chudStop being a little kid, you're a grown adult ffs
>>16264271>practicable
>>16264249>he doesn't know
>>16263190No, 远离 does mean far removed. 远 is far and 离 is separate.t. not using google translate
>>16264277Yes, that is correct English pajeet
>>16263471Mental illnesses are common in the United States. It is estimated that more than one in five U.S. adults live with a mental illness.
>>16263495It's true that starship won't double in width, but only because the larger class of vehicles will have a different name.
>>16263574The graph assumes the existing starship geometry with different diameters. It's like you didn't even look at it.
>>16264271What does that mean.
>>16263270>Astronauts do not have access to fresh air via a window Source?
>>16263565It's a retarded idea. With just some napkin math you can see that getting enough intake airflow to match the oxygen flow rate of a rocket requires impractically high air flow at the intake (gaseous air has extremely low density and is 80% not oxygen).Once you have accelerated to a speed where might have enough incoming air for the gay air breathing engine to be beneficial, you'll already be running out of atmosphere.
>>16263724I know it's not my post, because I couldn't just stand there and not help Elon.
>>16263748>>16263746kek, bretty gud
>>16263853You have to read the Gallic War. One man changed the history of the world because he wanted to and murdered and enslaved millions of French while doing it. Caesar was based beyond belief. It's not surprising that people worshipped him.Just the fact that it's autobiographical and from a significant historical figure makes it interesting. You won't find anything better to read.
>>16264328>One man changed the history of the world because he wanted toSounds familiar. Remember this is on Elon's reading list.>murdered and enslaved millions of French while doingI believe in you, Elon.
>>16264302It means Starlink still can send signal to unauthorized country like Iran or North Korea.
Mockup of Russian Start-1M rocket capable of launching 500kg payload to LEO. First launch planned for 2026
>>16264249
>>16264331he has spiritually mogged millions of French by embarrassing Arianespace
>>16264336Any particularly good reason an orbital launch vehicle needs to be launched from a mobile platform? This feels like an icbm with plausible deniability.
Russian space station time table was signed by head of Roscosmos:2027 first science-energy module launched2027-2030 additional 4 modules launched to form station's core2031-2033 launch of 2 additional modulesSoyuz-5 joined project of Russia and Kazakhstan first launch planned 3rd quarter 2025. New signed contract between Kazakhstan and Russia include at least 2 launches every year from 2028 to 2039Amur-spg reusable rocket development continues. New engine created for this rocket tests will start in October this yearWork on super heavy rocket frozen in 2018 will continue based on data gathered from Soyuz-5 launches
>>16264348I can't really think of anything, if it's not an icbm then it's gotta be something related to the military.
>>16264351>soyuz 5 flying in a yearI'll believe it when I see it
>>16264357You can say that for everything in this "time table"
>>16264371Well sure but all that other stuff requires soyuz 5
About Soyuz-5 in a recent interview >Currently, the components of the first flight launch vehicle are being manufactured. The first stage engine has already been manufactured and delivered to us, part of the sets of on-board equipment, tanks and rocket compartments are being manufactured. Most of the elements for the assembly and welding of tanks have been manufactured.>We plan to deliver the rocket to the cosmodrome in the third quarter of next year. The first launch of the launch vehicle is scheduled for the end of 2025. We hope that by this time the ground infrastructure will be ready.
>>16264334Except there really are a few ways that it can try. First of all, it has to know where it is in orbit, so it can know when it's getting near "bad" places, and have a good idea when to stop forwarding data. And then it has to relay data, so in a part of the world where there are no ground stations, there's nowhere to get internets from unless you have the frickin' lasers set up.
>>16264378What kind of engine does soyuz 5 use?
>>16264381RD-171MVBasically the RD-170 without as much gimbal and more thrust.
https://x.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1808146819727204735
>>16264393https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1808157976911364355
>>16264394Wrong, it's aliens
Fuel: oxygen-kerosene
>>16264302It means the radiation pattern of a beamformed phase array does not have holes in it and it is not very high gain. If you want to deny coverage to an area crossed by the wave then you have to design an effective phase-shift key because otherwise physics says your broadcast is going everywhere and there is nothing you can do about it. This is something the ITU knows, which is why they work to deconflict frequencies rather than coverage areas.
>>16264348All the major players are running through the cold war first strike/second strike playbook but for space instead of nukes. There's a space arms race but they aren't going to admit it.
>>16264398>named after gluskoIn what way?
>>16264348Generally you want to build a rocket inside, but to launch, the rocket must be outside. There are a few ways around this: The building can open or otherwise move. This has its own problems but has been done.Alternatively the rocket can be transported to the launch site and lifted onto a stationary launch platform. This requires cranes that either have to survive launch or leave the area prior to launch.The mobile launcher is a 3rd option, that makes different compromises. It essentially moves the loading onto the launch platform into your assembly building. You end up leaving different equipment at the launch site, and depending on how you design your mobile launch platform, it could be moved by a separate system that then departs before launch or under its own power and has to ride out launch.Each option has pros and cons. And each has its own analog in the missile world.
>>16264421In its name
total bird death>>>/gif/27471428
>>16264348>>16264353Kind of a stretch but you could integrate it in a clean and climate controlled hangar and then drive it out arbitrarily close to the equator. Sealaunch thought the benefit outweighs the trouble of towing the fat bitch to sea. I imagine driving on public roads to be quite cheaper and faster.
>>16264421that's literally the name"Scientific Production Association Energomash named after V. P. Glushko"the whole thing is the actual nameRussian institutions get off on having long namesthe longer the names, the smarter the people working there
>>16264416please explain your analogywhat is the first strike?what is the second strike?how does the first strike prevent the second strike?if your answer to all three is "space" I kill you
There's no way to sugar coat this. A category 5 hurricane is going to directly strike Starbase soon.
>>16264444what a retard lmaooo
>>16264460nothing ever happens
>>16264459First strike: ASATSecond strike: Rapid response satellite replenishment (either on orbit spares or easily launchable replacements) and more ASATRussia and the US also appear to be going for mission kill (lasers, paint, EMP) and China is going for disruption (ground station compromise / satellite compromise). I seem to recall a very odd Chinese Army graphic indicating one second-strike response is actually to launch cheap suborbital sats for temporary battlefield use.
>>16264444California Condors are well known to be among the most retarded birds. Literally went extinct in the wild in 1987. They were reintroduced in the Grand Canyon and Mexico, and their population has been gradually climbing. Still critically endangered, current population 561 (up from 27 in 1987, before conservation efforts)
>>16264249>Every company needs a mascot. What is SpaceX’s?
>>16264348astra didn't launch from a truck but they basically sold the pentagon on how they could launch from anywhere on three days' notice. being able to launch from places where you can evade detection is useful for a lot of things besides ICBMs.
>>16264398>>16264443>>16264458This has "Repeat the line." energy
>>16264557Is that what he does after every transporter mission?
>>16264563On those occasions he feasts on faeces.
>nearly half of all humans will develop myopia in their lifetime because they stay inside too muchpeople in space colonies are going to go fucking blind. we're going to need less pods and more large open areas.
It's over
>>16264569Been Cat 5 since last evening
>>16264393>martian imperial dreadnought uses its gravity lance to vaporize an e*rther warship, colorized 2250
>>16264569Hopefully it dumps so much freshwater
>>16264569This is why we need to remove the atmosphere.
>>16264569we're talking cat 6 levels herehttps://arstechnica.com/science/2024/07/yes-you-should-be-a-little-freaked-out-about-hurricane-beryl/
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1808195520793661628
>>16264568Make Andalite dome-ships that carry a whole forest across the stars.
>>16264590the comments are awful even for ars, avoid
>>16264569It just became a Cat 4 again after you posted that.
>>16264590shoulda never banned sulfur dioxide emmissions
>>16264606>>16264606>>16264606Stage
>>16264590
Staging>>16264607>>16264607>>16264607>>16264607
>>16264348because it is a "swords-to-plowshares" launch system. START rockets are based on the Topol mobile ICBMs, going back decades.
>>16264598about to read them now, anything I should be aware of?
>>16264597Macross colony ships would be better.
>>16264564
