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First for RIP falcon 9
>>16281941Is their solution to hinge heat shielding to just "skip it for now, do it later lmao"
>>16281947The whole heat shield is getting replaced.It's not the ablative underlay.Also the solution is moving the flap leeward which V2 does.
>>16281947Best part is no part, they just gonna rawdog it. Fuck the heatshield nigga.
>>16281941Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually
>>16281941>dented tin can
>>16281979It just werks
BASED SPEHS
>>16281992Genuinely ugly piece of shit, single engines protruding, very disrespectful.
Not enough launches. Here's one by accident.
/sfg/ has died. Though I think right now its because F9 is grounded and we are waiting on Starship plus >>>/pol/ happenings pull attention.
>>16282100Shows how much of the general are nasty crossboarders. It's has actually been quite comfy since old mate did the needful, a little like the old days.
>>16282100You also forgot the fact that it's the weekend. It should be more lively later today.
>>16282096sauce?
The fag from NSF intentionally soifaced
>>16282122What a disgusting mass of gelatin
>>16282122This guy now has to be turned into a wojak.
>>16282124Send the fatoid SS to round him up and send to fat camp, give him a donut a week if he cuts his hair and keeps clean shaven.>>16282126No that's what he wants. DO NOT
>>16282127>fat camp where they do nothing all day long>not a forced labor camp where you extract energy from their fat asses until they die
>>16282129We can extract oils from the blubber to light our lamps
>>16282096So they actually fill the tanks? I thought it just draws it directly from the ground
>>16282129Nah they can be made productive and healthy members of society again. You just gotta send them to fat fuck concentration camp while everyone else kills nestle and coca cola executives. Fatoids will come back looking alright and be unable to indulge in processed foods again so will stay fairly healthy.As you can see in the diagram, the proposal is that they spend enough time in there not eating that they get thin enough to escape through the human sized bars, they can get out quicker by hopping on the stairmasters. Look, how about we replace the stairmasters with static bicycles that generate power as a compromise?
>>16282133Can legally be done with liposuction
FAT HATE IS OFF TOPIC THIS IS THE SCIENCE BOARD>>>/pol/
>>16282141Fat hate is absolutely on topic on every single board when I'm forced to look at these repulsive ogres in the replies. I'm sending the crane to your location fatoid, time to slim down by force.
>lose two planes filled with hundreds of passengers on a brand new aircraft type>fight tooth and nail to avoid grounding the fleet even as most countries already ground that shit>vs>one unmanned upper stage of the most reliable vehicle known to date releases its satellites too low, leading to it and its payload eventually burning up without further incident>GROUND. EVERY. THING.I hate the FAA. Just ground crew dragons and let the customers decide on everything else. Why the fuck ground the entire fleet for this absolute nothing burger. You can investigate while the fleet is flying. With fucking passenger planes full of hundreds of people they historically let everything fly until at least two have fucked up. What is this.
>>16281959Just have an ablative upper stage and do a virtual landing.We can just 3D print the virtual astronauts on the ground after. Continuation of consciousness can be solved at a later date.
>>16282144Fat hate is one of the many symptoms of oldspace mass autism. Starship will be the true enabler of equality in space.
>>16282157Yeah it's fucked. I get grounding crew dragons (even though they have abort system but fine whatever, rather not have another challenger even though they seem determined to let boeing kill their test pilots), but grounding the rest of the launches, the huge majority of which are internal starlink launches, is fucked. Maybe have an advisory notice for commercial launches until the problem is identified and let the customers decide, like you say. So we are waiting on who the fuck knows how long for this shit to be resolved for Falon 9 and another who the fuck knows how long for a fresh starship FAA permit since the mission profile is changing to include booster capture.If this continues I genuinely think the chinks might catch up. They have all the moles inside aerospace thanks to DEI and a zero fucks given gogogogo policy for launches and development.Someone was saying earlier about Elon needing to play the bribe game, he really does. These delays are unacceptable for the cost of paying off some political fuckheads, he is potentially risking the future of our entire species because he believes in honest business in a corrupt as fuck nation for some absolutely retarded reason.
>>16282178imagine grounding all container ships when one gets stuck in a canal
>>16282141put the soda down, piggy
>Saarliner falling apart in orbit>Falcon 9 groundedHello president man. OK we save the fat man and witch, you lift sanctions da?
>>16281896>>16281898>>16281926Is it so unbelievable nowadays? It's happened, or at least gotten close to zero. An example: there are records of the dire financial straits of british governors in africa who felt they had to return any gifts from the locals with a gift of perceived equal value out of their own pocket rather than owe them any administrative favours. Corruption can be made extinct, and mostly was amongst european powers and some others.
>>16282178>pay the bribesPay the danegeld, get the dane.they'll come back for more, others will want a cut.
guys, after everything that happened, i believe in God now. and I believe God wants us to go to space. through a new prophet Donald Trump, the regulatory state will mwlt away. The FAA will be no more, a they are one of the innumerable federal agencies not functioning. you're fired. and the EPA too. A new dawn will soon be upon us, and suns will rise on our new worlds
>>16282127>No that's what he wants. DO NOTI'm sorry, but it had to be done.
>>16282184>they'll come back for more, others will want a cutOnce you are of a sufficient size, it doesn't matter because you have more than enough cash to pay off petty beauracrats and you dont need to anyway. Important people are paid off with a one off bribe promise of some useless management roles thats basically getting paid to exist, smaller but still very important peons are paid off and they guard their money/position jealously and do not let their lessers get a cut until they dicksuck their way to the near top. Please pay attention to corporate America my man. SpaceX could be running completely delay free for the cost of maybe 50-100m dollars on the absolute outside, more like 10-20m realistically. We live in a truly capitalist society where everything from corn and dirt to the highest politicians have a price and yet Elon is not playing the game. It's fucking embarrassing.
>>16282194dumb wojakposter
>>16279147>mass drivers>on venus>which has a gravity almost as strong as earth>and even with all the CO2 precipitated out an atmosphere 9 times as dense as earth>using mass drivers to fling 80 earth atmospheres worth of CO2 into spaceIt's not happening.
>>16282215Yeah it's not happening. Need giant fleets of sci fi tier giga nigga cloud scoops with fusion drives unless you want to be stuck cloud city cucking it forever.
>>16282237Thats even more retarded than the solar shade idea. At least solar shades aren't sci-fi.
BRING THEM HOME
>>16282195Hiring these useless bureaucrats would fuck up the management structure and slow things down
Spacex should move to china
>>16282195Kill all danes
>>16282215I mean all of that is far enough in the future that you can just handwave some magical exponentially self replicating factories until the entire surface is transformed into a machine working for the sole purpose of creating a second Earth. There's no physics reason why not, but it's too far in the future to be thread relevant
>>16282243They don't go into useful or decicive positions m8, it's just a glorified retirement.
>>16282250No, that doesn't work because mass drivers don't work on venus, the gravity is too high and the atmosphere too thick even after getting all the CO2 out that you cannot use mass drivers to get anything to space.Mass drivers are for low gravity airless worlds like the moon, they don't work on planets with high gravity and dense atmosphere, they don't even work on earth. Why do you think we use rockets rather than mass drivers?
i would genuinely feel more freedom in a small habitat on mars than in the most luxurious private resort on earth. there is something about earth being a completely occupied space not only in the literal sense but also in the sense that its overburdened by societies histories systems etc. i feel suffocating on earth even when visiting the most beautiful places but the mere thought of being on mars makes me breath fully. i dont know how to explain it
>>16282263We're talking very far in the future. You could also just turn the carbon into bricks and build mountains out of them, Venus is pretty flat due to being melted all the time.
>>16282286>You could also just turn the carbon into bricks and build mountains out of themOn venus? What use is that? You can't warm the planet up again cause your ginormous mountain of CO2 will turn back into a gas and you'll be back at square one.
>>16282288I didn't say freeze it
>>16282180Don't even get me started on safety standards in the shipping industry. Most ships sailing at any given time are barely overseen, poorly staffed, ancient pieces of fucking shit with god knows how many design flaws. But nobody gives a shit about a few dozen filipinos being swallowed by Poseidon every few weeks so nothing gets addressed.
>>16282291I look forward to the day that spaceflight will be as ubiquitous and lax as this
>>16282183It only exists in pockets, but not as wholes of society. Elon is that pocket of space. So are some of your examples. These exists throughout all of history in all of human society. But ultimately the overall society is filled with not just honest people but also dishonest people, maybe not so evil as rather lapses in their ethical standards and habitual formations.
hello does someone know how the FAA investigation is progressing?
>>16282305dont worry about it
>>16282291A ship of pajeets took out an american bridge but no one gives a shit it seems. No pause from that
>>16282310I assume the hands have been greased then
>>162823052 more months + environmental reviewElon endorsing trump might mean and extra 3 months delay just to be cute
>>16282314I wonder if that was timing or an attempt to bury Falcon 9 news
>>16282314Extra few months at minimum. Stupid cunt won't just boeingmaxx to pay off all the faggots because he's le ebin defender of classical liberalism. Von Braun would throw Elon into the V-2 slave production crew with the lazy kikes if he could see this fucking total lack of political awareness.
>>16282290The issue with this is converting all the CO2 to pure carbon would also release a lot of oxygen, which with as much CO2 there was thats gonna be a pretty significant fraction of venus's previous atmosphere, of which is now gonna be almost entirely oxygen.Everyone in this thread should know the problem with majority oxygen atmosphere.
>>16282326could you get the surface cold enough with sunshades to condense the nitrogen? then presumably you could use gay mass drivers to export CO2
>>16282326Could you just grind up the entire crust into a powder and let it rust?
>>16282338as far as I can tell that shit's already oxidized
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8CwVe3ztY>Starship Flight 5 Test Campaign Ramps Up! | Starbase Update
>>16282347It was a good video. NSF generally makes great stuff but their livestreams other than the 24/7 one are unbearably awkward and shillfilled
>>16282349yeah, though the quality of videos is variable
>>16282345Looks like we need to get hydrogen from somewhere
>>16282335I don't think that would help much, venus's gravity is still too high and theres still trace gases you can't get out, while it'd be left with an atmosphere about current day mars thinness thats still quite a lot for a mass driver to get through.
>>16282335Actually you might wanna do this anyway, mass drivers on venus is stupid but you still wanna get rid of some of venus's nitrogen, it has 2.8 bar of it which causes mild narcosis. However mars has basically no nitrogen which is a problem for having an earth like biosphere.You could fix both these problems by taking nitrogen from venus and sending it to mars. The high gravity of venus does present a problem however.
hey /sfg/ could you recommend me books about Venusian geology and books about how our understanding of Venus as a place and depictions of the planet have evolved over time
>>16282367I don't think we know enough about the surface of venus to write an entire book about venus geology.
eta on ift-5?
>>16282367>Venus Geology, Geochemistry, and Geophysics: Research Results from the Soviet UnionThis is probably what you want for geology. >The Planet Venus by Ellen Mary ClerkeIs probably what you want for history of thought although it's from 1895
>>16282379Two weeks
>>16282367Venus was a star that moved, then a planet, then a planet with jungles, then a barren hellscape inferno scoured by acidic winds at a pressure comparable to the ocean at significant depth Magellan and Venus Express provided much of what we know about the surface. I'd start with their papers.
>>16282379Middle of August
booster 12 static fire today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x7YjQAs4Vg
Didn't see there posted in the last threadNew hold-down clamp prototype spotted at the McGregor test site
>>16282428Seeing how they replace some or most of the clamp's parts every launch, they must be testing something that can survive or avoid the blast.
>>16282410
>>16282389>Venus was a star that moved, then a planet, then a planet with jungles, then a barren hellscape inferno scoured by acidic winds at a pressure comparable to the ocean at significant depthwow thanks, so helpful. If only it came with citations and examples and was more than a sentence long.>>16282380Thanks, I’ll check these out.
>>16282431>part count reduction
>>16282446Pay him research funding if you want a paper from him faggot
>>16282441almost looks like WDR?
Why arent you fucknuts paying attention to the static fire.
>>16282450I said I wanted book recommendations dipshit. Not for him to summarize it himself.
>>16282431massively simplified
>>16282452I've seen like 30 static fires at this point. Remember that time they did two in a row on the same day and anon was SURE they wouldn't?Good times.
static fire, looked pretty long duration
KABOOM!!
Longest one I can think of
missed it because I was reading an article about Starships future capabilities lmaooo
Yeah filthy crossboarders didnt even attend the static fire. Filthy scum arent here for anything but their fantasy of going to space (they never will).
>>16282478tsmt
>>16282478are the crossboarders in the room with us right now?
>>16282478I posted the link but didn't watch it lmaoits not like a static fire is some unprecedent wierd thing anymore
>>16282478These are becoming like Falcon 9 static fires to me
Static fire, looks like the NSF stream dropped for a bit making it a bit choppy
>>16282479SEX0
>>16282187why did he let the bullet hit the "hero" fire figher
>>16282478let's call them what they really areanti anime posters
>>16282493Would you consider rocketgirlposting and anti-anime posting one in the same? I dont think so but lets hear it
>>16282504Anime posting* not anti
>>16282273Imagine being a surveyor on Mars. You live in your rover for months on end, weaving from one point of interest to the next across an area the size of Australia. You perform basic maintenance, collect samples, and file your reports back to Earth. The rover drives itself while you sleep, though you take over when the terrain gets rough.
https://x.com/northropgrumman/status/1812813332564377641Cygnus NG-20 has departed the station
>>16282524
>>16282524Cock and balls
>>16282524Ooh it's garbage day for the ISS
>>16282521Unfortunately it's cheaper for the person driving the rover to be on Earth like we've already done so that's how they'll do it. Hell we'll probably see a Starship load of semi autonomous helicopter drones (10,000 or so) sent to survey the entire planet fairly soon here. Like, before human landing
Does anyone know why this Cygnus has a box stuck to its side? Is it an experiment or just old hardware that they don't want to throw overboard like that battery pack that they crashed into Florida?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqu29lkU3tU>SpaceX Booster 12 Static Fire - SOUND ON
>>16282492no such thing as a free lunch
>>16282524>>16282525When are they gonna make this a crew vehicle?
>>16282536>10kg drone responsible for an area the size of Hawaii Is this realistic? Is that an actual plan anyone has?
>>16282314is that for Falcon or SS?
>>16282546Whenever the first gateway modules launch so tentatively… 2027?
>>16282524Why are they departing over a desert? Political message?
Reminder that we have a sisterthread>>16281899>>16281899>>16281899
>>16282555Nobody cares not spaceflight fuck off
Angry has now moved from flat earther to EDSer
>>16282575Ayy truther* not flerfer
>>16282536>>16282550Just send flying drones to mars instead. Send in 100 of them. Each of them having the capability to recharge via solar panel (and be able to clean itself for maintenance). And each one having enough battery backup as well. If each of them can go ~1 mile distance per day, recharge, land, clean, send data back to station via wifi/starlink/etc. It would be able to mapout the entire mars area in few months all on its own.
>>16282575The guy is a retard. The answer to single point of failure like F9 isn't other companies. Its to get Starship online asap.
>>16282585Is it finally time for Ares?
>>16282593Not a plane, a quad copter drone that weighs less than 10 kg each.
>>16282575He isn't seething he's just saying what happened lol. SpaceX has a monopoly and now the entire launch market is waiting on the FAA.
>>16282595Aw. It's never time for Ares :(
>>16282585Why just 100? We'll be able to send 100 tons to Mars shortly. Why not send a fleet capable of taking a sample every square kilometer? Find where the metal and water is, map out a 50 year infrastructure plan before anyone even sets foot there
Methane+oxygen monoprop when?>If Tannenbaum’s mixtures were bad, that proposed at a monopropellant conference in October 1957 by an optimist from Air Products, Inc., was enough to raise the hair on the head of anybody in the propellant business. He suggested that a mixture of liquid oxygen and liquid methane would be an extra high-energy monopropellant, and had even worked out the phase diagrams of the system.* How he avoided suicide (the first rule in handling liquid oxygen is that you never, never let it come in contact with a potential fuel) is an interesting question, particularly as JPL later demonstrated that you could make the mixture detonate merely by shining a bright light on it. Nevertheless, ten years later I read an article seriously proposing an oxygen-methane monopropellant! Apparently junior engineers are allergic to the history of their own business
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1812698861636620295>Recently, Lightyear Exploration (Jiangsu) Space Technology Co., Ltd. successfully trial-produced the first wooden skin fairing in Taicang.>The fairing has a diameter of 1.6 meters and a height of 5 meters. It is made of flame-retardant plywood wood skin, thin steel plate welded skeleton for vehicles, etc. The structural weight, carrying capacity, wave permeability and other indicators are better than composite products, and the manufacturing cost of the fairing is reduced to the level of general industrial structural products.>Lightyear Exploration adheres to the entrepreneurial concept of developing high-end aerospace structural products in a new positive direction with industrial materials, processes and equipment. It has taken the lead in developing products such as stainless steel expansion storage tanks and wooden skin fairings in China, as well as the inter-stage, inter-box, and tail structures derived from the fairing column technology. The products cover all the main structures of the rocket, accounting for about 60% of the total weight of the rocket structure, accounting for about 30% of the total cost of current rocket manufacturing, which can save hundreds of millions of yuan in manufacturing costs for a medium- and large-scale rocket similar to Falcon-9.
>>16282129The stairmasters generate electricity
>>16282478filthy crossboarder here that didn't watch the static fireI'd probably shit my pants riding in a rocket. I just want to vicariously think about astronauts in a big comfy space ship like sci fi shows desu
>>16282586>>16282575Nothing is stopping another company from building their own rocket to compete with Falcon 9, many companies have tried. No one has come close to SpaceX yet, and that is down to the vision and competency of SpaceX engineers. They continue to improve their products, rather than resting on their laurels. If the market has not given them a competitor, then they chose to out compete their past accomplishments.There are other rockets, but with their cadence, and cost, they really are not a redundancy to F9.
https://x.com/WLR_2678/status/1812889105400803599>Long March 12 simulator on its strongback in transport at Hainan Commercial Launch Site. The rocket will be the first to debut from HICAL pads, currently scheduled to be next month.
>>16282612>cheap lightweight bioplastic with an established supply chain and endlessly specific toolsIt's a wonder more rockets aren't made from wood
>>16282623>engineersThere have always been engineers, SpaceX is unique in the management structure. Though I guess the unique part is that those managers are also engineers
>>16282536A human has the advantage of instantaneous control - rovers today move extremely deliberately because they're waiting for orders from Earth, and Earth is waiting for feedback on how their last meter of travel went. This might get better with AI self-driving. But a human driver can also get out and swing a hammer.>>16282585As for helicopter drones: the atmosphere on Mars is incredibly thin, making it very hard to generate lift. That's why it needs a 350W motor and takes a full day to get enough charge for 90s of flight. That's also why it's "instruments" are basically the bare minimum needed to function: a basic camera, an altimeter and an accelerometer.The lift issue is a problem that gets worse as you scale it up. The only advantages of the helicopter approach are 1) taking pictures from above (better done by a high-res satellite) and 2) it lets you travel marginally more quickly than our current incredibly-slow Earth-operated rovers. I think Ingenuity was impressive for demonstrating a completely new capability, but it's a dead end technology. Shovels are the future.
>>16282655You'd need to do the math for supporting a person in a rover vs beaming instructions to it from earth. If you go by precedent it ranges from $3mil/day to $15mil/hour. That instantaneous control would need to be worth a whole lot.
>>16282645>SpaceX is unique in the management structure.>I guess the unique part is that those managers are also engineersevery engineering company should be like this, always.
>>16282661Counterpoint - how much money has nasa wasted on MSR?
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1812922275035029887SF
>>16282690doesn't have the wierd double thunk-thunk sounds in the end anymore
>>16282703
>>16282687You could have a remotely driven rover deliver to an occupied base instead of a different planet and save a lot of money. I'm just expecting the time value of the astronauts to be too high to justify any surface operations that can be done remotely over a longer timeline. Even construction or earth moving equipment in the occupied base might be operated remotely most of the time. It also increases your machine time to 24.6 hours per day without each machine taking up the entire workday of three astronauts. It's just a realistic financial forcing function
>>16282668>t. Never had a scientist or engineer turn into a managerThere's functionally no overlap between management and science/engineering. While they aren't mutually exclusive skills, one does not imply competence on the other. Granted, general management rarely commutes an understanding of scientific or engineering projects. The best managers of scientists in my experience are ones who started off in the sciences then did a full pivot in their career.
>>16282703Unrelated but are those gridfins really just driven by belts on the "Tesla derived" electric motors?No wonder they shutter in flight
instead of space based solar power how about using something similar to shoot waste heat away?
>>16282712>are those gridfins really just driven by belts on the "Tesla derived" electric motors?They do look like belts in that photo, but they are metal actuator arms.
>>16282718>ablative cooling the Earth I'm pretty sure that would generate more heat than leaves. You'd just spin the mirrors around or put them on the ground if you wanted to go that route. If you wanted the actual cheapest option you'd just blast sulfur into the stratosphere
>>16282718You mean a radiator?
>>16282596Market had a decade to adapt.
>>16282727I'm not, and he's not, suggesting that there is anything morally wrong with a deserving monopoly, which SpaceX certainly is. But a government agency has just grounded them which is a problem
>>16282722IFT-4 @ T+6:15...6:32 you can see that actuator working
>>16282726thats just passive radiation, im talking about a beam of heat being shot into the ether
Is shartliner still stuck in space?
A cave has just been confirmed on Lunar.What are the scientific implications of using it as a habitable base?
>>16282760*Moona
>>16282760>>16282767It's Selene.
>>16282708That's all well and good until a remote rover breaks down miles away from the base, then the time wasted fixing the problem far outweighs the money saved.Plus any astronaut worth their salt would tell you to piss off if you expected them to travel for over a year to mars then be a desk jockey instead of exploring themselves.
>>16282642>bioplasticAnisotropic carbohydrate foam
>>16282769seloona
>>16282730Unless there's something seriously wrong (which seems incredible unlikely) I can't see them being grounded for longer than a month, stop worrying so much.
>>16282756Yeah, just like Ariane 6 2nd stage and Falcon 9 2nd stage
>>16282782Didn't falcon 9's 2nd stage already come back down with the starlinks?
>>16282760Putting an early Moon base into a cave hasgot to be the most stupid idea mission planners have ever come up with. "Hello, yes, I'd like to build a Moon surface base please, but could I make it as inaccessible as possible? Also I'd love it if there were billions of tonnes of potentially unstable rock directly overhead, thanks!"Just to protect astronauts from radiation and micrometeorites as effectively as several meters of dirt piled on top of a module. I think the cave idea is actually due to fear of digging on the Moon. Digging could lead to resource prospecting and mining, which could lead to industrial production, which could lead to colonization!
>>16282786If they could prove the cave was stable then it could be useful, but building a base 135m (at best) under the surface is retarded.
>>16282771Repair would be a rare function that's either made cheaper or is otherwise impossible without a human present. An astronaut wouldn't do anything at a desk because it's cheaper to hire someone at a desk on Earth. Vehicle operation would be no different.
They should just make starship single use since they can keep popping them out one after another
Poop in Starship toilet
>>16282122JESUS that hair is greasy. I wash mine literally once a week and it never gets that bad.
>>16282796Use the rock pile to build caveman buildings.
>>16282638Can't they come up with a different name for their completely unrelated rocket families for once?
>>16282813It's a government rocket, they literally can't.
https://x.com/eager_space/status/1812953069443006483https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yC86I0rL0o>Starship Booster Droneship Catch?
>>16282819Why not call them Chang or Dragon or something?
>>16282813Who wants to be the guy who tries to forward the idea that they have a better name than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March
Think about how many outer moon probes could have been funded with this money...
>>16282822>Why not call them Chang That's how it's called in Chinese, Chang Zheng.>>16282831That's peanuts compared to money wasted on welfare.
>>16282431not as cool
>>16282813The original DF-5 derived design got the "Chang Zheng" designation and the next thirteen rocket designs that China produced over the next fourty years were all direct modifications of that original pattern so they were just CZ-#A. It's a bit like if America had gotten into space launch with a design derived from the LGM-25C Titan II and then just kept upgrading and modifying that instead of looking at anything different so by the time we hit the EELV era all big government rockets are just called "Titans" as a matter of tradition. >>16282822China's commercial space sector is great for non-Long March names. Tianlong, Kinetica, Nebula, Kuaizhou, Ceres, Hyperbola, Zhuque, Gravity...
>>16282813Other names don't have Heavenly Mandate of Glorious Communist Party.
Booster barge landing never ever...
>>16282854Good. Fuck the droneships those inefficient hunks of shit.
>>16282431what causes it to actuate on the new design?
>>16282854>1 launch every 10 daysThat ain't happening for the next few years. The license modification they're currently applying for would allow them for 25 launches per year, which gives us 1 launch every 14,6 days.Moreover, 8 hours for refurbishment and processing of Starship? That has to be a joke. At best, it's an aspirational goal of SpaceX, in reality it's going to take 2-4 months (or more) and get shorter as they acquire experience.
>>16282862They have experience though. F9 is down to like two days
>>16282864Sir...
>>16282864lol
>>16282862What matters is the throughput of boosters, not how long it takes the same booster to fly twice. I still don’t think 8 hours is happening any time soon, but with several launchpads they can probably start doing nearly back to back launches by next year.
>>16282864F9 is down to 27 days with the same booster
>>16282521that has been my exact dream job on mars. to explore and chart all those endless lands that werent touched by life in billions of year...
>>16282326>the problem with majority oxygen atmosphereYou get urfers?
>>16282760You know what they say. If life gives you a vertical cave on another world, you tunnel an S bend at the bottom and start filling it with piss.
>>16282854The point of barges is to eek out some payload mass, with Starship's margins it's completely pointless because the time wasted and the boat maintenance is not worth the fuel savings. Maybe in the future we'll have massive payloads that require it
>>16282866But... But Elon said two days recently
>>16282893Two days to prep for launch, maybe.
>>16282889easier to just expend a booster in that case instead of building a whole droneship infrastructurethe massive payloads would have to be something that are very common and just high enough to need that extra payload, but not so high that expendable was the way to godoesn't really make sensepayloads are designed for rockets
Apollo 11 stack photo from the NASA archives. Shame it wasn't in higher res.
>>16282711you know you can be a non-specialized engineer and hate the field, right? many people are like that. general engineering education would still be useful towards interpreting requirements from and to clients. managers these days are mostly a bunch of nepo retards, business retards and other brainlets that come from completely different careers.
falconbros...
>>16282975what does the chinkscript say
>>16282994elon musk is next
>>16282994>我爱北京天安门>I love Tiananmen Square in Beijing
>>16282975i wanna fuck both of them
>>16282994wuzzap beijing
BO Blue Goon Lander
>>16282661(AYRT)My presumption is you have a manned Mars base anyway, so you're looking at the marginal cost of life support in a rover vs at a base, not the absolute cost. The choice would be between manned vs remotely operated surveyors, and there are definitely pros and cons for each.
>>16283021No one is doing surveys from earth with a half hour delay on every control input for sure. Aerial surveys aren't happening because of the weight of the equipment you need for a serious survey, ground penetrating radar, core drilling and sampling machines, analysis equipment, chem lab, etc... You basically need a manned rover if you want to get serious about mapping resources for extraction. The kind of stuff you could do with an aerial survey like terrain mapping can be done with SAR satellites.
R8 my space launch system /sfg/.
>>16283028How is this saving any fuel
>>16283029The launch is the hardest part, the fuel for the booster can come from other sources from space or mining operations on the moon.
>>16283033It's going to be a long time before methane and oxygen produced on the moon or from asteroids is cheaper than tanker starships.
https://europeanspaceflight.com/themis-reusable-booster-demonstrator-hop-tests-delayed-once-again/>The initial hop tests of the ArianeGroup-developed, ESA-funded Themis reusable booster demonstrator have slipped once again. The first is now expected no earlier than 2025.>In a May 2024 presentation given at the International Civil Aviation Organization offices in Paris, the Swedish Space Corporation (SSC) announced that initial Themis hop tests would only begin next year. SSC is in charge of the operation of Esrange Space Centre in Sweden, where these initial tests of an integrated Themis demonstrator will begin. Once ArianeGroup moves onto higher altitude flights, the testing will be moved to the Guiana Space Centre.
>>16282431How does it hold down/let go without moving back?Captcha: R0G4S
>>16283036This is reminding me that I wanted to look into the economics of atmo-scoop LOX vs tanker launches.
>>16283026>No one is doing surveys from earth with a half hour delay on every control input for sureThis is literally the only thing happening right now.
>>16283033>resources anywhere but Earth Why is /sfg/ so fucking stupid? We have this argument every week
>>16283041Aaaaah whyIs ArianeGroup management intentionally slowing them down or what? They were actually really quick with the initial tank tests, kind of feels like they should've been able to hop a long time ago even at Yuro speeds.
>>16283054Those aren't real surveys mate. Those rovers cover a mere handful of kilometres in their lifetime because they cant risk their bajillion dollar toy car getting stuck on a rock. They dynamically model a replica rover in a sandpit back here for fucks sake. We still know basically nothing about Mars because of this.
>>16283041>european spaceflight is double oldspaceI for one am shocked.
BRIBE BROSWE ARE BACKPALMS GETTING GREASEDTRUMP GETTING ELECTEDSMOOTH SAILING
>>16283055shhdon't tell them how much refinery equipment weighsbut especially don't tell them how important rapid passivation via oxide layer formation is to most manufacturing, because i want to laugh when every single metal bearing they try to make via ISRU rapidly contact welds itself during operation
>>16283065I don't think they will be manufacturing anything in a vacuum.
>>16283064Elon better actually get some deregulation in return for all the Republican cocksucking he's doing because otherwise he's just gonna look kinda gay without anything to show for it
>>16283073lol
>>16283064Does Trump's platform even have any space stuff
>>16283064zoobrin thrashing his home office in demented rage
>>16283076just the environmentalism and get out of the wayism for federal agencies as official policy
>>16283076Apparently, he's the reason why Artemis was originally targeting 2024 so I'd imagine that he would pressure NASA to beat China to the moon.
>>16283064If its actually true, I'm happy to see Elon actually throwing his metaphorical weight around. He could stand to drop some of the literal weight still.
>>16283065Oh no, you might have to blast some parts with the oxygen hose
China presented new dates for the next plobesTianwen 2: asteroid sample return, launch 2025Tianwen 3: Mars sample return, launch 2028Tianwen 4: Jupiter/Uranus mission, launch 2029
>>16283084>Mars sample returnImagine they go and pick up some of the American sample tubes KEK
>>16283064Tesla stock increased like 30% overnight btw
>>16283084Tianwen 4 will be 2 plobes in 1, the main one will reach jupiter in 2035, while its "sub-plobe" will get to uranus in 2045
>>16283060All caused by the mass constraint, not how it's controlled.
>>16283083you can actually treat the surface with different materials and get different effects, it doesn't need to be an oxide passive layer
is this a Linda Ham reference?
>>16283095or maybe he was alluding to the shartliner debacle
>>16283076from the actual platform:>Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space>Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.
>>16282975>>16283005Reminder the statue of liberty was supposed to have visible nipples and they took it from you
>>16283064Thank you Mr. Musk
>>16283064Has Elon been reading the threads wtf
>>16283064He almost assuredly is not going to do this. Elon always says this shit, and never does it. Think about all of the public promises of money he's made over just the last few years alone, and then he welched on pretty much all of them. The man will not spend money on shit unless he is certain he will own what he is spending said money on. That and legal battles are about the only two places where Elon frivolously burns cash.
>>16282599The NRO should send a few old spooky sats to mars in star ship so we can
>>16283113This has actually been considered. The Roman Space Telescope was one of two uncompleted KH-11s that was signed over to NASA. No decision has been made about what to do with the other one, but absurdly detailed Mars mapping has come up in discussions.
>>16283064why doesn't he spend that money on starship instead???
>>16283117Because the beauracray delays are costing far more than the bribe money. Starship is probably 12-18 months behind where it should be.
>>16283119bureaucracy delays have been a few months at most and a lot of that could've been avoided by starting processes earlier and not being a retard
>>16282612Good find anon
>>16283113>>16283116Wonder if a MEV could bring a Kh-11 back online?
>>16283122>I go to 4chan.org in order to defend federal regulatory agencies from criticism
>>16282248TDD
>>16282311
>>16283122Kys
>>16283116>Using a KH-11 to photograph MarsAwesome if they can get it there
>>16283122Gerstenmaier said to the senate subcommittee on space last year that FAA/regulators were slowing them down and helping China
Isnt stage 2 fully perishable? who do we need to fire at the FAA (or remove some other more permanent way) to neuter them for good?
>>16283234Any anomaly at all requires an investigation, since the FAA treats spacecraft the same as it does aircraftI wonder if the NTSB will get involved if something ever happens on a Dragon
(you) suddenly find yourself in possession of $500m tax free dollars. What space problem are you solving?
>>16283245I'm building a comm sat, putting it in Mars orbit, and charging people to use it
>>16283243NTSB through a hissy fit wanting to slow down another FAA spaceflight investigation
i just ate a bowl of hot shit
https://mainenginecutoff.com/podcast/279?share=trueNew episode today
Are we really not getting a starliner update this month?????
>>16283254redwire is painfully boring
>>16283255Everything is under control and they are definitely not stranded. It's also funny because of Falcon 9s grounding they would have to call fucking putin to rescue them KEK imagine the humiliation.
>>16283270I fucking hope that happens. That would be the perfect ammo for Musk to use against the FAA.
>>16283137The real reason why Jared's Hubble rescue mission got shot down
>>16282157>>16282178What if we remove the government?
>>16283325You can't.
>>16282311It is what it is.
>>16283325High risk investment for very low chance reward. Best to keep carrying on and growing then hoping you can use your position to salvage something from the fiat currency collapse ashes.
>>16283325seasteading brother we're bringing the meme back
https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1813105457533493611
>>16282839Yeah but Titan sounds cool.
>>16283377Look at that retarded boomekTruly the worst generation
>>16283209Doest help MEV is made by Northrup Grumman not OEM Lockheed
>>16283377>But what about the alleged schrodingers microbes that we can spend a century or more demanding ever intensive searches and deeper drilling programs to prove that they don't exist before we can relax planetary protection rules?>Heh checkmate muskratsUnironically my biggest fear and why asteroids may be a better choice despite the disadvantages compared to Mars.
>>16283381>>16283250Why do people like this exist?
>>16283381I kind of have a soft spot for shintoism/animism/whatever you want to call it too. Didn't stop japo man clearing out any potential resource spots in the land of the rising sun. Just got to make sure you aren't mining from some very obviously prominent or unique geological feature. With any luck the kami will strike this faggot down for being an affront to their worshippers.
>>16283122Anon stop making sense, nobody understands it here.
Second segment is being mounted
>>16283422https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
>>16283073The VP is a big Silicon Valley VC guy. He's one of Peter Thiel's protoge. Thiel and Musk go way back to Paypal/X days. The funding it towards an "American PAC" led by Palintir. The CEO of Palintir has defended Musk publicly on TV from trashy woke accusations. They also have some ties to SpaceX as well. So its all good ticket.
>>16283073I have a sneaking suspicion that this isn't about getting deregulations but rather getting republicans on board with electric cars.Leftists already will get EVs to save the planet but rightists need convincing and the CEO becoming a right wing culture warrior might sway many of them.
>government agencies and NGOs will try to stop SpaceX from launching anymore rockets
>>16283414Reddit comment.>>16283122>a few months at most They once stopped launches for three months deciding whether or not they can make a decision. This is the same organization that let the 737 max fly. There's no defense
>>16283428its both and more
>>16283428The American "left" is the one currently hating EVs ATM, it's why BYD is under 100% tarrifs. No one in the US has any principles regarding EVs. They don't care about adoption, they don't care about prices, infastructure is a joke and they aren't willing to help the one company that actually has anything resembling an EV supply chain.EVs in the US are just a boondoggle for legacy automakers, they rather not or at the very least just see opportunities for more money, either in selling overpriced smartphones on wheels or asking for bailouts.Unless the Elon money is really good I don't see things changing in the US.
You space freaks are the bane of humanity. You should stop making this gey thread. You can't even populate Mars, it's impossible with your level of thinking and tech. Try the Moon or Pluto.
>>16283471>Unless the Elon money is really goodTesla has 3 times the net income of Ford and about 50% more than GM. In fact Tesla makes slightly more than both combined. The elon money is indeed really good.
>>16283478Kiss my cheek
idgaf about the environment in mars but I worry about astronauts carrying potentially dangerous microbes from mars back to earth. I hope they manage to survey the whole planet for life with robots.I mean, remember when >we thought there was no water in mars, and then suddenly discovered that there is water there? that was only a few years ago...>>16283473>Plutohow would you populate pluto? you'd need a source of constant energy, otherwise you'd freeze to death in, like, 2 seconds
>>16283501>how would you populate pluto?2 ways, obvious one is nuclear but a less obvious option is burning fuel present there. Pluto is so cold oxygen and methane freezes. You could mine solid blocks of those and burn them to make energy.
I also said moon. Come onnnn freaks stop digging humanity's grave.
>>16283501>I worry about astronauts carrying potentially dangerous microbes from mars back to earthJust quarantine the astronauts in a trailer for 2 weeks like they did for apollo.
>>16283504B*rkun schizo
>>16283501Colonize mars and than quarantine Earth once Mars reach a certain population. Illegal aliens from Earth should be banned so that stability of mars colony isnt jeopardized
>>16283524merit based immigration policywagmi
>>16283527You need both merit based (productivity) and needs based (compassion). People will want to escape earth and want to seek freedom from slavery on Earth.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813216678966403327
>>16281941intergalactic communication sisters.... chat gpt says its over.
>>16283537the colored ports are somehow very kino
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813219981674619275
>>16283542Cool
>>16283424the basic tower structure is probably going to be built very quickly, but idk about the OLM and steel plate or flame trench
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1MnxnDRobEYGO
>>16283538>intergalactic communication is currently impossible for a species that only occupies a single planetWow, that's crazy.
>>16283542That’s insane>>16283549Do they need an olm to attempt a catch from that tower? My gut says no.
>>16283471EVs are an economic inevitability, the government just needs to get out of the way
>>16283550
>>16283501>dangerous microbes from marsFor a variety of reasons, anything that did manage to evolve on Mars would be hopelessly outmatched by Earth microbes, including an immune system
>>16283552That tower isn't going to be nearly ready for IFT-5, even just for catching. They are going to risk the old junk OLM and tower first.
>>16283471You wrote all that, but you had to abbreviate 'at the moment'. Man, redditers are so fucking stupid
>>16283556I want to fuck her so badly.
>>16283538chatgpt is so smart. did you just find out about it?
>>16283575She's all yours bud. I wanna fug jessie
>>16283471BYD is under tarrifs because we remember what happened to the solar industry when China was allowed to flood it with below manufacturing cost product.
https://x.com/SausseImages/status/1813190513966649665>The core stage has done something resembling a three point turn and is on its way to get loaded on the Pegasus barge.Artemis II has left the factory
>>16283604>because we remember what happened to the solar industry when China was allowed to flood it with below manufacturing cost product.People got more solar panels and western companies threw a hissy fit?
>>16283606What in God's name could two hundred people be doing there
>>16283613getting paid.
>>16283609China heavily subsidized its solar industry in an effort to destroy competition, Europe is being Europe and allowing China to do the same to their auto industry
>>16283609Are you mentally challenged? We are not dealing with some European country here who could be reasonably expected to continue trade and not use it as a lever, but the fucking CCP. A sworn adversary.I'll put it this way so you can get it Chang. Why does China not dissolve all of its rocket companies if they can buy launches cheaper from SpaceX?
>>16283609Yeah. The right option for the US would've been to subsidize solar as much as China was, but they didn't. Same for EVs. Now they're just blocking. I don't know why our government is so incapable of progress, and failing that, at least getting out of the way.>>16283615For what?
>>16283604>below manufacturing cost product.Amerilards still can't believe the chinese can make things in china cheaper than americans can make things in america.You should take the words of chinas space chief to heart and humbly learn from competitors rather than putting your thumb on the scale.
>>16283619>For what?For their contributions the human spaceflight, the artemis program, and the sls rocket. Can’t you see the work they’re putting in in that picture?
>>16283624No
>>16283615>>16283619looks like they're scanning each others QR code paddels
>>16283620Yes China can make things cheaper due to their wage slave labor and disregard for environmental protection, but that is a seperate issue than them dumping product below their manufacturing costs.
>>16283613>>16283628Is it some sort of weird community day?
Reminder, Trump presidency = deregulation of business and space industry. Which = more launches, more rocket building, etc
>>16283636When SpaceX launched without FAA approval that one time, trump said "good for him."
>>16283631I'd like to see even a shred of evidence BYD loses money on their cars.
>tfw can't see Venus in the sky where I livefeelsbadman
>>16283641Why would a company lose money when backed by a state? We aren't talking about the free market here. There is a state interest in exporting the cheapest cars
>>16283631Its not wage slave labor, the expenses in Chinese factory is pretty high now. The BYD operates at a slim profit margin right now and is instead trying to grow their business. Most of the cost reduction is due to automation.
>>16283648So in less words you have no evidence?
>>16283651https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/chinas-massive-subsidies-for-green-technologies/
>>16283654This does not show BYD sell cars at a loss anymore than american EV subsidies show tesla sells cars at a loss.
>>16283604>BYD is under tarrifs because we remember what happened to the solar industrybullshit, they are under tariffs because they are chinese and are growing really fucking fast. same for huawei.the american ruling classes don't like competition, period.
>>16283137the reason they fail is that they run out of propellant and burn up IIRC
>>16283620Literally half the cost is subsidized by the CCP.
If Sauron was posting on 4chan: > my red eye hurts so bad > i need a dump truck of visine> then crazy midgets steal my fav bling > to throw it in a volcano > mfw
>>16283631I find this shit really funny. AMERICA made china the worlds factory. the whole world benefited from the cheap slave labor, and then, one day, suddenly americans conveniently realize that and somehow china becomes bad... just when they are about to surpass you.anglos are all a bunch of brainwashed hypocrites.
>>16283399?
>>16283645>tfw a cloudfront just moved over the sun
>moderate
>>16283682What’s this from?
>>16283654>Direct subsidies amounted to approximately EUR 220 million in 2020, rising to EUR 2.1 billion in 2022>In terms of business revenues, direct subsidies increased from 1.1 percent in 2020 to 3.5 percent in 2022.let's compare to tesla:https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html>Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support>The figure compiled by The Times comprises a variety of government incentives, including grants, tax breaks, factory construction, discounted loans and environmental credits that Tesla can sell. It also includes tax credits and rebates to buyers of solar panels and electric cars.and this article is dated>May 30, 2015from https://qz.com/elon-musks-spacex-and-tesla-get-far-more-government-mon-1850332884>Published April 13, 2023>SpaceX is, after all, primarily a government contractor, racking up $15.3 billion in awarded contracts since 2003, according to US government records.>[Tesla] received a $465 million preferential loan from the US Department of Energy in 2010, which it paid off in 2013.>Through 2020, the company benefited significantly from tax credits given to consumers who buy electric cars, which have reduced the cost of Tesla vehicles by $4,000 to $7,500. One attempt to track all these subsidies, including state and local incentives to support manufacturing facilities, estimates the total benefits at nearly $3 billion.>BYD receives significantly more purchase premiums for electric cars in China compared to other domestic manufacturers like GAC or foreign companies producing locally, such as Tesla or VW's joint ventures. >purchase premiums... in China... compared to... foreign companies producing locallyWOW!>BYD benefits from subsidies to battery producersBYD *IS* a battery producer
>>16283665Thats quite in contradiction to the source the other anon posted which shows BYD cars are only subsidized by 3.5%.
>>16283708>each of those engines cost more to refurbish than the cost of an entire StarshipI fucking hate this orange shit with every fiber of my being
Spaceflight?
>>16283713Like Vulcan and Ariane 6 it's a creature intended for another time. Twenty years ago it could have been something important.
>>16283676Was referring to the regulatory busy bodies at NSTB.Like who wakes up an think I'm going to make travel unaffordable for the masses?
>>16283703https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1813245873373040933
>>16283682>>16283729This contract would have cost 5-10 billion if not for SpaceX
>>16283243yeah but the FAA doesn't ground aircraft for every anomaly
>>16283729>The contract, with a total value of $843,256,689.85How do they even come up with such a number?
>>16283737They really should, maybe boeing would've killed less people if they did.
>>16283738>>16283729>>16283682Source doc
>>16283729>>16283734Thanks. Thought this was about HLS but still neat
>>16283738>85¢NASA determined that Elon may drink 1(one) diet coke during the deorbit. It took a team of 8 engineers with 34 managers around 6 months to come up with the 85¢ figure
>>16282245they literally can't
>>16283729Is the deorbit vehicle going to be a dragon or a starship?
>>16283760Dragon XL
>>16283762launch on FH extended fairing, fully expended
>starship bumps into ISS>it deorbits
>>16283665And that's some how bad?>oh no Americans get super cheap solar to become more energy independent>best ban them
>>16283641BYD doesn't lose money because they are subsidized by the Chinese government, that is why they are able to export their shitboxes for such low prices
>>16283771>dependent on foreign manufacturing>independentanon I have questions
>>16283729>higher than 680 millionWe pay taxes, they work for us, and they won't tell us the bid?
>>16283772You guys have yet to provide a shred of evidence of this.The only source posted shows a tiny subsidy of 3.5%, not even close to enough to make BYD cars as expensive as Teslas.
>>16283705>BYD isn't predatorily subsidized by the Chinese government because...the US government offers tax inventives to purchase EVWhat amazing logic.
>>16283234Only Starlinks are fully demisable I think, at least proven to be so.
>>16283784The citation above explicitly states the 3.5% is not all the subsidies BYD recieves.
>>16283786>noo tax cuts are NOT subsidiesWhat amazing logic.
>>16283774Solar panels aren't complex you could spin up a factory in a few years and that entire time Americans could millions, same goes for EVs.And most important of all neither of those are strategic resources or products.
>>16283791You should read it again, it says the other subsidies are consumer side, which people outside china don't get, and batteries which just makes an input slightly cheaper and probably doesn't go above the subsidy for BYD. Even if you say the subsidized batteries double the functional subsidy on BYDs then thats still only 7%, BYDs are still a lot more than 7% cheaper than Teslas.
>>16283811
>>16283776They would have told if they won
>>16283813the inside looks way too dusty
>SpaceX submitted a public safety determination request to the FAA on July 15. If approved, it would allow SpaceX to resume Falcon 9 launches while the SpaceX-led investigation continues regarding the upper stage anomaly that occurred during the Starlink 9-3 mission.
>>16283842Easy enough. I knew this would be done before end of July. Polaris is back on fellas
Is Starship the first vehicle to survive reentry without a backshell? Like Dragon and Orion and Shuttle all have TPS outside the heatshield on the back of the craft
>>16283819I'm going to land my starship in that dusty hole, if you catch my drift.
>>16283862You should be thrown in an icy Titan river
>Payload bay in V.2 starship smaller by 2 rings to make way for 300 more tonnes of prop.Huh...
>>16283858it's the first to use hot structure backshell
>>16283867You will never be SSTO.
>>16283871I dont want to be you subhuman
>>16283869Its being extended too you worthless rat
>>16283876There's no sign of an extended payload fairing yet.
>>16283813oh fuck yeah that looks like a great place to build a rotor city>>16283877no shit, first things first
Events to look out for in the next few weeks:>Rolling the booster back to the Build Site for final setup and adding Hotstage Ring.>Bringing booster back to the launch site and onto the launch mount.>Painting the launch mount>Stacking Starship on Booster.>Full Wet Dress Rehearsal where they fuel both stages.>Destack to install Flight Termination System (self destruct button). (5 days before launch)>Final stack.we just entered the first item on the listhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCCjgHkXXkwe're ~3 weeks away from launch
>>16283891>just 1.5 two weeks awayI'm so stoked
>>16283891That lines up with elon’s timeline. impressive, he’s not usually good at those.
SpaceX HQ moving out of California. Tesla and shitter next.
>>16283743Christ how much did the Northrup Grumman solution cost!One benefit of SpaceX lowballing the bid is now congress can claim its to expensive to dispose of the ISS to keep the pork flowing.
>>16283923probably just the senior staff and such. aint no way they're moving all their operations to starbase. spacex in los angeles is a large facility with a ton of talented employees. you just aint getting them to move and there's not enough talent in the rio grande valley.
>>16283923Hell yeah.
>>16283926>eight hundred million dollars for a clamp and a rocket engine>lowballing
>>16283923https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813293676334129401
>>16283926SpaceX's proposal is based off of a lot of preexisting hardware that they already build in-house. NG's proposal would have been subcontracted out the ass and based around new designs and new gear that would have had to go through an extended testing and qualification campaign. That's where the price difference comes from.
https://x.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1813292416151011432
>>16283923>tesla is nexttesla already moved to austin awhile ago. neuralink and xitter will probably move to austin though.
>>16283928The ones that don't move are insufficiently dedicated to the cause. And where SpaceX goes, talent will appear. They're able to demand, and receive, the best of the best from anywhere in the US.
>>16283928HQ means the admins, manufacturing won't probably move (yet)Tesla still has a engineering HQ and multiple factories in California even after moving the headquarter to texas
>>16283941neuralink already has operations in austin
>>16283923What's the law? I wasn't paying attention.
>>16283923He announced X will move in the next tweet
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813295846710206811
>more white flight from commieforna to texas. Callifornia needs another good all sumer long riot with rooftop koreans, that will fix things.
>>16283949neuralink announcement in 5...4...3...2..
wouldnt it make more sense for spacex hq to be located in houston instead of starbase?
>>16283947>schools start trooning out kids and hiding it from their parents>normal people go "wtf that's evil">towns and states start passing laws against said evilNewsom just signed a law banning those local laws in California. The net effect will be more irreversibly mutilated children. This is a very personal issue for Elon.
>>16283949>>16283940>>16283938inb4 POLITICS ISNT SPACEFLIGHT RELATEDSpaceX move to Texas was in the works due to the shitty politics of california.
>>16283928>400k square feetIt's genuinely not that big
>>16283958No. Keeping management next to the factory is something smart companies do. Even Boeing did that when they were competent. Xeeter is going to Austin because it's set up for large techbro companies.
>>16283958Nah. There's still a port nearby, and it keeps all of SpaceX close together. If they move the Falcon production line, I wonder if they'll start shipping those to the Cape by boat rather than driving them down I-10.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813298968073498744
>>16283975Falcon 9 Block 6, 1m bigger in diameter because they don't have to fit them on a truck anymore
>>16283965California taking the L one after another. Now all of Musk's companies are out of California.
>>16283965>POLITICS ISNT SPACEFLIGHT RELATEDi hate this since spaceflight has been political since inception. so much of the industry is at the whims of politicians, governments, and geopolitical strategy.
>>16283966Moving to a new location is probably needed anyway. I remember hearing somewhere that Elon was planning to have another increased Falcon 9 flight rate goal for 2025, but the Hawthorne facility is the original Falcon 9 plant from back in the early 2010s when they were talking about launching ~40 expendable vehicles per year. Even if all they're doing these days in building MVacs and 2nd stages getting 200 launches out of something living in the shell of the old set up might just not be possible.
>>16283990and if he needs quick access to his plane, BRO has plenty of room
>>16283941>Austin becomes even gayerGreat. You do know they have things like drag queen story hour for kids there as well
>>16283998Elon fired 90% of the twitter employees. Whats left are those that want to work on something
>>16283928it says headquarters in the tweet and in the post you replied toplease read carefully
>>16283949isn't Austin just the San Francisco [derogatory] of Texas?
>>16283984ironically with Elon spaceflight is the *LEAST* political it has ever been, outside of hobby projects
>>16284008"of Texas" is highly load bearing because most of the SF nonsense is passed through Sacramento (because the Bay is multiple cities+counties)
>>16284008SF is 11/10 in terms of leftism. It leads the charge. Austin is 7/10
what do i do if i really wanna study space related stuff and work in aerospace but im insanely bad at math.. i can comprehend most of the stuff in physics but my brain starts frying the second i see any math or calculations. im thinking about majoring in tech management but idk im really struggling with making a choice. should i struggle my way into stem?
>>16283938How will this impact falcon’s return to flight?
>>16284023FAA may issue retaliatory ban on F9 since its headquartered in commiefornia
>>16284021Are you a POC, if so, just go for a DEI hire.
>>16284016With all the tech companies moving there it will culturally be SF in 10 years then physically in another 5 with all the drugs and homeless.
>>16284033Companies are now throwing away the DEI mandates because they see the pendulum swinging back
>>16284035They have a 10 year buffer. Thats better than -1 year buffer. Also Tech companies will instead hire people locally for 90% of the stuff. Just like they did at Starbase. Local talents will prop up the companies while outsourcing few talents from other states.
Won't be surprised if Elon runs for governor of Texas after Abbott retires.
>>16284053he's too important to waste time in politics
https://x.com/DutchSatellites/status/1813313626620445127Hit piece coming again
>>16284072her entire grift is writing spacex hit pieces, what an annoying insufferable person. reminds me of those obsessed fangirls who write hateful comments all day about celebs that they dont like.
>>16284094spacex is incorporated in texas too I think, neuralink has a facility there, tesla is building a lithium refinery there, the boring company has a factory on the other side of the spacex starlink factory so not just tunnels
>>16284065Lol I looked at this for about 10 seconds before seeing it and I lol'd
Scottmanley cant help but show his Musk derangement syndrome again lol
Did you guys see that twitter post??Crazy stuff... Thoughts?
>>16284122Space news happens. Not my fault if you have a personal issue with space news discussions
>>16284068that will be his retirement, when he's too fat to walk around his factories
>>16284053Nah, he's going to Mars by then
>>16284065imagine getting stuck upside down à la Nutty Putty in a cave on the Moon. A fear future Lunar speleologists will have to deal with.
>https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/1e4xstx/musk_says_spacex_to_move_headquarters_to_texas/when did the official subreddit become so hostile towards elon?
>>16284132>reddit leftoid tranniesThere's your answer. Also its cause mods not banning crossboard posters.
>>16283923CPS is going to take away Elon's kids
>>16284065Kek
>>16284132>>16284135Also only people that still use the reddit tranny site are leftoid trannies
>>16284113https://x.com/DJSnM/status/1813319189299634477lel, he is right to some extent though, not everyone will want to move
>>16283949>Im tired of lib-induced druggies on the street…>…so we’re moving to AustinUhhhh is Musk possibly retarded?? Don’t come here
>>16284146i thought hullo was smart? do people create the content for his videos and he just reads a script? its super unlikely that 90% of the hawthorne jobs are moving.
>>16284146Just the headquarters is moving. The factory in California probably wont be expanding and will only shrink over the years as Falcon9 and Dragon are retired and moved to Florida for refurb/etc. I think SpaceX even stopped production of Crew Dragon entirely afaik.
>>16284147are you retarded? he has been living in austin for years now
>>16284149Its just his MDS tribal/animal instinct reacting.
>>16284152>>16284147He lives in Starbase.
>>16284150yes it will gradually be discontinued, but F9 is still going to be flying for quite a while so the factory will stay aroundon the other hand Tesla did expand operations in California after moving headquarters to Texas, they added an "engineering HQ" and a megapack factory and the Fremont factory is still working and I doubt its going anywhere
>>16284072This miss-piggy-ass whore needs to shut the fuck up or go slander a different industry
>>16284157wrong, he sleeps at starbase sometimes, he lives in austin with shivon zillis
>>16284122Buttmad?
Considering the new office building at Starbase that will be ready in a few months, and the fact that F9 will very soon be obsolete, the move out of California isn't even that surprising. For Xitter it makes sense, it will be easier for him to just stay in Texas and shorten his travel time between the factories/offices.
>>16284167Do we have any bikini snaps of her? Or overwatch cosplays?
>>16283713>refurbishand then they're going right into the ocean
>>16284130Tight-squeeze caving in a spacesuit sounds like one of the most retarded possible things you could do. It's like the aforementioned, but also cave diving, but also if your wetsuit gets a puncture you die. I'm sure people will do it. I do however HOPE that most lunar cavers would be exploring smaller passages with drones that can either deploy a tether or signal repeaters.
>>16284150the lefties REEEing seem to think moving your HQ means moving your entire operation rather than an address on paperwork
>>16284213It actually will mean that because they're relocating to places they already have people working instead of a PO Box in Delaware
https://x.com/TheSpaceGal/status/1813243878130262255This is so cute and EPIC!
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1RDGlyeMDlNJL?t=mSGd2mqY2ViIkS55j74wiQ&s=09Ellie livestream on SpaceX move
>>16284228>I’ll become one of the first ~100 women in space and the first female astronaut from West Virginia.why are women like this. men dont say im the first guy from east texas under the age of 40 and 1/8th apache on my mom's side to go into space.
>>16284233even more pathetic considering she legally isnt an astronaut
https://www.reddit.com/r/EagerSpace/We now have a subreddit to ask the Eager beaver questions
uh...guys?
>>16284237we're so fucking back
>>16284228>>16284233Is there a reason why BO space tourists make such a huge show of the fact that they are gonna be "le astronauts guyz"? SpaceX passengers seem comparatively stoic.
>>16284241BO - touristsSpaceX - astronauts
>>16284241Built different
>>16284241
>>16284237Nothing to worry about, told you
>>16284194You know I'm seething
>>16283903It's the second or third one, he's bound to get it right eventually if he moves it often enough.
>>16284241How come when Stephany instagram takes a cruise she blogs the whole time but when Jose blue-collar spends 6 months on an oil rig you barely hear about it?
BRILLIANT PEBBLES
nay, spinlaunched pebbles
>>16284146Not really, if you won't move then you aren't a driven engineer who believes in the goal anyway.
>>16284279timeline is accelerating
>>16283891Exactly as I predicted immediately after OFT4
When the fuck is DFW getting some love, Elon?
>>16284294I'm not saying its some big problem that some will stay, I'm just saying some will choose to stay in california
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1813304805496061979
>>16284319i get having a manufacturing site out in the sticks, but moving twitter there too? wtf
>>16284324If you can literally run your business from anywhere, why not?(The problem is you are A) going to rapidly price the locals out of their own homes and B) become the biggest employer in town, rapidly decreasing the appeal of moving there.)
>>16284324might have something to do with some new business line perhapsno idea what it might be thoughsome integration with starlink?
>>16284324getting some fresh country air will be good for those computer nerds
https://x.com/astroforge/status/1813297379749306710
>>16284343>job requirements: put your children on hormone pills
>>16284343>asteroid mining
>>16284343>we're hiringbullshit
you Musk loving faggots are so retarded and childish lmaohow the fuck did you guys even find this thread?
>>16284132Is this accurate?
>>16284349>ostensibly interested in space flight>hates the only guy in the entire world who is actually innovating in space f lightYou stick out like a sore thumb.
>>16284349Spacex = spaceflightMusk = spacexErgo, spaceflight = muskYou = faggot
>>16284351Not really
>>16284353>>16284356>Musk internet defense force in charge of attacking their beloved leaderAND THEY DO IT FOR FREE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAlmao @ ur lyfe
>>16284351>higher taxes=better education Your mind on leftoid politics
>>16284328Bastrop is like half an hour out of Austin. And if someone commutes from Austin, they'll be going opposite of rush hour traffic. Calicucks brains would asplode at not crawling down a highway twice a day.
>>16284360>no argument w.r.t spaceflight, only more EDS rantingshocking
>>16284347>assteroid mining
>>16284360>*attacking people in defense of their beloved leaderfixed>>16284364>argumentI don't read any in pro of the guy. he's fucking retarded. he only shoots himself in the foot every time he opens his fucking mouth lmao
>>16284367>>I don't read any in pro of the guy.SpaceX is the most innovative and advanced spaceflight organization in the entire world.(You ignored this the first time and you will ignore it again.)
>>16284370so they copied russian rockets and added computers to stabilize them. I doubt musk himself wrote a single line of code or did any calculations for that...most probably, the glowies behind him told him to invest on it
Why are you guys replying. Retarded general is too easy to bait.
>>16284374confirmed for knowing nothing about space flight
who is kerbal space program here?
>EDS in /sfg/No one who actually likes space dislikes Elon Musk
>>16284378I just bought it recently but I'm ass at it.
>>16283923Someone needs to take this man's kids away, imagine thinking this is a bad thing
>>16284385noice mate you will get better at it at a fast rate once you learn the basics, I am currently playing with mods which makes the game like 20x harder than the vanilla experience.
he was baiting, but picrel basically destroys any criticism whatsoever towards spacex/musk, literally no argument left.
>>16284343I am hiring (cute 18yo girls with no experience)
>>16284393This graph feels cruel. The pop-out box is like spitting on someone and kicking them in the ribs after knocking them down.
>>16284349Repent now
>>16284361SAT math scores>California 536>texas 481
>>16284393it's obvious but if he mentions SL at all it's painfully obvious bait
>>16284403SAT checks if you have a pulse, that's all it's good for
>>16284393but... no... this can't be... but the hyperloop... no... I'm sorry for baiting everyone. I'll just go...
>>16284393anon... if millenials has as much power or money and knowledge as this fag or the owners or administrators of other space companies, they would create vastly better technologies.seriously, this guy is not as brilliant as you think he is. he's a great business owner, though, i'll give you thatbut enough about Musk. why the fuck would you defend him for free? do you think you'll be given tickets to mars or some shit for defending him? how sad can you fags get?
>>16284393This...Wow
>>16284411Elon could literally kill my father, rape my sister and mother, drown my dog. He could dwstroy my career and burn my home to the ground. Fuck and impregnate my girlfriend (if I had one). All while I watch in horror, but still I would support him at the end of the day. Anything that gets us closer to Mars and I mean it. I dont think anyone here can really comprehend perfect devotion
>>16284403>SAT scoresLmao, also more niggers in texas
>>16284411>You're not critical enough of musk! Anyone could do it! Anyone! He's not special!Then do it yourself, faggot. There are entire INDUSTRIES dedicated to throwing money at solutions, and they've thrown hundreds of millions of dollars at dozens of new startups trying to do what SpaceX has done. Maybe two stand a snowball's chance in hell of actually surviving, and SpaceX's execution exceeds them all, in spite of the constant employee churn that more often than not results in SpaceX alumni staffing these other startups. And yet they are not SpaceX. The only difference is Elon Musk, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you stop sounding like a deranged moron.
>>16284413I can't believe you would just stand there and not help Elon.
>>16284416>niggers in texasJust as many in CaliforniaAlso what ever metric you use California will come out better
>>16284420>Also what ever metric you use California will come out betterIt loses on:percentage California by land areanumber of faggots per 1000 populationcases of AIDS per yearpercentage of sidewalk surface area covered in human fecespercentage of sidewalk surface area covered by homelessetc
for me Elon is currently the most important individual of our time, he is our bridge to the future.
>>16284421>subject was specifically about education>retard brings up unrelated things
>>16284441>thinks universal quantification is specificokay buddy
>>16284420californians move to texas, not the other way around
>>16284016>It leads the charge. That would be Berkeley. SF is definitely leftist, but the immigrants and techies balance it out somewhat. All the dumb ice cream hairs are renting crappy apartments, defending nigs, and eating avocado toast in the east bay
>>16284441nta but Texas has some great engineering schools, wtf are you on
>>16284324He said Xeeter is moving to Austin. This would be Elon's personal jannysary goonsquad.
>>16283028This is just a two stage reusable rocket except it relies upon an entire deep space mining and logistics network that has been scaled up to enable a relevant launch system. In what way would this be an improvement over Starship?
https://spacenews.com/nasa-space-technology-head-leaves-the-agency/>Vogel’s departure was a surprise for many in the industry. He had been spearheading a technology shortfall analysis, seeking input from inside and outside NASA on a list of 187 topics where current technologies fall short of NASA needs. The purpose of the analysis was to prioritize which areas should receive future investment. Doing so, he said in a speech in April, was designed to maximize the value of the “level of effort” funding the directorate receives.>Vogel was scheduled to provide an update on that effort at the ASCEND conference at the end of the month in Las Vegas. It’s unclear what the status and future plans for that assessment are. This is deeply sus, some politicking going on again behind the scenes like with forcing Lueders out of any Artemis role
>>16284531it forces people to build space mining infrastructure
Does anyone have that Wernher image with "man will go wherever he wants and do well when he gets there" on it?
>>16283065ceramic bearings are more common than you think>>16284537intriguing
>>16284540No, because people will be able to just take Starship.
The choice is Clear - Elon Musk
>>16284419Help him...rape?
>>16284537After what's his face got caught leaking stuff to Boeing I would not be surprised if this was a JPL-related ethics failure. Any links between Vogel and JPL?
>>16284546It's such a great quote
>>16284566>fire all of naser>nationalize space eggs
What do you guys think?
>>16284588
>>16284588refer to >>16284591just ain't natural to be inside a man
lmao
>>16284588i kinda get it because rockets are phallic, but ships are girls so idk
>>16284603Faggin newsom rekt. That was early trump days anyway, he likes Elon now. SpaceX going to get their red tape teleported behind and bisected anime style aafter him donating big bux to trump pac.
>>16284605>he likes Elon now>nowHe always liked him
>>16284605Technically, in 2016 Tesla was doing really bad, losing tons of cash. They only started to make profit in the last few years. And SpaceX had just landed a booster for the first time, had not sent any people up, Starlink was still a pipe dream, and were really rockets to nowhere(ISS). So Trump is right speaking about 2016 when Musk came on his econ council, but then pussied out because the media was screaming about muh climate Paris accords.
Meeting Michael G. Whitaker tomorrow. When I shake his hand I'm gonna slip him three hundred bucks. Hopefully it's enough to get Falcon 9 going.
>>16284637You do this one thing for me: When you see him and you lean in, I want you to smell him. I want you to take a large whiff of him and report back to me. I will be online all day tomorrow waiting for your report. Good luck and thank you
>>16284638Based aroma chad
>>16284605I thought this was when elon said he preferred ron desantis to trump, so it wasnt that long ago
Now that Europa clipper could possibly be delayed for a year what do we do.
>>16284603Musk is saying kneeling is fine if you eventually rise? Amazing comeback.
>>16284648explain
>>16282528starliner isn't leaving yet
>>16284649Musk feuded with Trump and backed DeSantis. Now he is kissing the ring. There is no comeback no matter how shit Newsom is.
>>16284654>There is no comeback no matter how shit Newsom is.What do you mean no comeback? Trump won't work with Elon anymore?
>>16283923>more cali subhumans flooding Texasfantastic
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>>16284578perfect thanks
