HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT - editionprevious >>16468293
7 days until Flight 6https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-6
thats not elon
>>16470826
>You honestly think that the per-hour production (aka productivity) of workers scales linearly past 40 hours per week? Most of SpaceX's engineers are young so perhaps they don't peak until 45 or 50 hours per week, but after that it falls off rapidly. The total production probably maximizes at 55 hours / week for the younger engineers and closer to 30 hours for anyone over 50. The only advantage to having your employees stay beyond that point is to establish a pressure-loaded corporate ethos.lol euros
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/russia-fine-i-guess-we-should-have-a-grasshopper-rocket-project-too/
those greedy corpo suit bastards trying to turn me into a slave so they can lose money...why won't they just pay me a full salary to work 25 hours a weekand take 3 months a year vacationsplus all the muslim holidays
>>16470834
>>16470836those landing legs are huge!
>>16470825>tfw Starship testing rate is about to go crazy
>>16470840call me when they do a full orbit + landing of the 2nd stage sir
>>16470836I'll give them points for skipping ahead to methane engines.
>>16470842Okay post your number.
How big would a planet have to be (in Earth masses) for leaving it with chemical rockets to be impossible?
https://spacenews.com/expending-expendables-more-launch-companies-betting-their-future-reusability/>“I don’t think reusability per se will equal survival,” said Giulio Ranzo, chief executive of Italian launch vehicle company Avio, at the Satellite Innovation conference. His company makes the Vega C, a small solid-fuel rocket, with no plans to incorporate reusability.
>>16470847you would just have to add more stages
>>16470847it would never be impossible, just add more stages
>>16470852What if you run into material strength limits of stacking heavy stages.
>>16470855just make the rocket fatter
>>16470849does his company plan to incorporate a third launch?
>>16470849>He argued that a key factor driving reusability is the high launch cadence it enables. For SpaceX, he noted, this is critical because of its large customer base in the U.S. government and its own Starlink constellation. “If you live in a part of the world with no such anchor customer, I don’t know what you are going to do that cadence,” he said.To be fair to him, even for nations that do have that capacity, it's hard to begin to figure out where you should start with such unprecedented capabilities, but they don't seem to be trying.
>>16470821He can't keep getting away with it because he's the best that's one man embarrasses NASA on a daily basis a institution that's almost 100 years old NASA should be disbanded immediately
>>16470868*He can Voice to text f**** me over on The daily
>>16470865If equador could put 2000 tons a year into LEO, they could launch their own global constellation + tourism space station + earth observation satsYou don't need any particular regional customer, since anything in orbit is necessarily global
>>16470865The cadence is delivered by a resounding vision for the future. Starlink exists because Musk needed to figure out a way to make huge gobs of money to pay for Mars, which was going to basically be a money sink on the company's balance books for the next 2 decades. No investor is willing to part with their cash if the selling point is: "if you give me money, you won't see anything back for another 30 years and we're just going to set it on fire for R&D the entire time."Every country that has an aerospace launcher and is looking at reusability needs to come up with some vision that defines them in the future, and then build their launcher around that, with secondary goals focused on low earth orbit delivery, station delivery, or something else along the way. Otherwise, you might as well not build anything, and just pay SpaceX money to launch your stuff--because your impetus to succeed is a void, and that makes you geopolitically not worth much.
>>16470825only a half two weeks left.
>>16470872Correct: which means there's no business reason for Avio to exist.
>>16470834they're not going to do shit.staple of the soviet union's successor state has been to promise shit that they don't have the capacity or knowhow to do anymore.god it's gotta be miserable to be one of the few remaining old-ass engineers working in russia, knowing that a gutted educational system means that younger generations will never be able to replace the work that you do.
>>16470875>Using "Drumpf" like anyone cares, as if it's supposed to matterI give it 10 to 1 odds that you get angry about dead-naming.
>>16470849your rocket is too small to benefit from reuseability anyways so it doesn't matter, you're fucked anyway.
>>16470875>man whom established the USSF doesnt care about space
>>16470810It doesn't matter if the government isn't unfairly influenced by a given company. If they lose their competitive edge than another company will pop up to replace them.
>>16470875
>>16470880the cost of solids is in their fuel anyways, so reuse is a waste of time
>>16470865i've noticed this is a weird cope that other launch orgs use all the time.No, re-using your rocket is cheaper, PERIOD.and that cadence? it follows naturally as a result of your product being significantly cheaper.more people are able to build and then launch satellites on your rockets when the entry price isn't ridiculously high.it's a self-defeating mindset, your cadence is low because you're too expensive.
>>16470875He cares about aesthetics and legacy, and guess what that means. If speeding up Mars means that Elon gives Trump credit where it isn't due, he'll do it
>>16470877>a gutted educational systemdon't forget their ukranian meat grinder
Forgive me if this is a retarded question but why is there talk of catching the ship with the tower when we've already seen it land on its feet? Is it safer/less likely to explode?
>>16470888re-using solids is a waste of time, period. shuttle should've taught everyone that by now.
>>16470892>boys who would have been rocket scientists are instead blown up by a $300 droneI hate war so much I can't stand it. It makes me so angry it's unreal >>16470895Saves mass and time. You're catching it with the same arms that will place it on top of the booster.
>>16470890They don't actually particularly care about the industry particulars or the future of it all, they just want to keep their little industrial niche open for business.
>>16470895- you don't have to carry a tower to space and back like you do legs- you don't have to pick it up and move it before you can launch it again
>>16470895so far the landing legs they used on the short hop tests were temporary one-use designs, they had crush cores and were destroyed after every launch.they're eventually going to have to come up with a permanent design for moon and mars landings, but for earth landings you might as well use the cool catching mechanism because otherwise you're adding needless mass onto your vehicle.even the landing legs they will use might only be optimized for dealing with mars gravity, which is mass-wise cheaper than lugging around heavy duty landing legs built for earth.
>>16470883>If they lose their competitive edge than another company will pop up to replace them.If a company gains a monopoly it will always have unfair advantages. It is already ontop and to displace them doesnt just require being better, you have to be much much better and get lots of outside support.SpaceX only survived in the early days because the government was unfair to oldspace on the COTS program. If we look at it objectively, oldspace rockets already existed and falcon 9 was a paper rocket. If thegovernment didn't foster new space companies then ULA would be the only game in town still, despite being worse than even China.
>>16470897>>16470900>>16470901Makes sense thanks
>https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1855988318158344467More HaoLong pics
>>16470892i have a friend in russia and he tells me you have to either be really poor or really fucking dumb/indoctrinated to be sent into the meatgrinder. a large amount of the important, educated population with engineering/other skills already fucked off and left the moment they announced partial mobilization (those that had the money anyway, the ones that didn't including him, are saving up as quickly as possible to gtfo).as you can understand this has further gutted their high-skill workforce and is why i see literally no chance of russia building their own re-useable booster anywhere in the next 30 years (if it's even still around in it's current form, that is.)
>>16470909okay pigger shill. oinklenskyy will sign a capitulation this year under the orders of trump. will you still whine and squeal then?
>>16470912Not spaceflight. No one else reply to this
>>16470909>>16470877>>16470892this has got to be the most hilarious western cope i have ever seen.
>>16470912is this supposed to be bait? i voted for trump.look you can believe me or not, but are you seriously surprised that a country that was already doing poorly before a massive war killing untold numbers of their child-producing population is doing worse now?
>>16470915Quit seething, let's have a discussion. You think they'll have a reusable booster?
>>16470915>>16470912>russia is mentioned in a less than positive light>instant damage controllol, tell me how they're going to build their reuseable rocket when it took them almost 20 years to get angara operational, mr. tourist?
>>16470917who is doing worse? Russia or the ukraine?Western forces have spent BILLIONS to stop Russia and they have learnt that nothing can stop her.>>16470919It's already in development and will be ready soon. By the time the operation is done there will be an explosion in industrial power and capital investment to the space sector. Russia will dominate and rival that of the US. Together with China we will take a base on the Moon. The plan is no joke and it will be built next decade. All the while the International Station will be replaced by a superior station in polar orbit of indipendent Russian design.
>>16470921Russia can do iteasily based on prior designs. You forget that Russia had the most sucessful launches of any country in the world. Angara was slow to development due to poor funding.
>2 more weeks to kyiv
>>16470922>All the while the International Station will be replaced by a superior station in polar orbit of indipendent Russian design.I want to believe
>48 hr ATOTwo can play at that game mr. Pigger.
>>16470921not almost, exactly 20 years, actually.the operational non-test launches before 2024 all failed at orbital insertion.
>>16470922>Russia will dominate and rival that of the US>the International Station will be replaced by a superior station in polar orbit of indipendent Russian design>Together with China we will take a base on the MoonNone of this seems realistic. >>16470925Which side is called piggers? And why? I'm not involved in this at all
>>16470833It's been said if your work is doing what you love you don't work a day in your life
>>16470928>>16470931https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orbital_Service_Station#:~:text=A%20new%20space%20station%2C%20named,Earth%2C%20especially%20the%20Arctic%20region.
>>16470922i never mentioned oinkraine you retarded fucking nigger, i was talking about russia, i don't care about your slapfight or that you're not willing to admit it's a hasbeen shithole.
>>16470925>NO STOP POINTING IT OUTlol, you're mad.
>>16470931>None of this seems realistic.so no argument from the CIA shill as always.
I do not care about two indistinguishable slav countries bickering. Talk about spaceflight.
why are russia's defenders so insecure? why do they immediately start comparing themselves so irrelevant countries like ukraine when the reality of their post-soviet decay is brought up?
>>16470937What mental illness do you have where you think someone hanging out in an autistic interest 4chan general is a CIA agent>>16470933Yeah, I remember when it was announced. How realistic is this actually happening though?
>>16470922>a superior station in polar orbit of indipendent Russian design.Was that before or after Rogozin begged the Chinese to change Tiangongs inclination
>>16470937is this post bait? you don't seriously think CIA agents are arguing with you about roscosmos' ability to build something they've never been able to build, right?
>>16470933>planned>planned>planneddo you not understand that this is why people are making fun of you?
>>16470909>>16470928The other elephant problem for Russia is that they continue to be in denial that they no longer have the resources of USSR since the break-up. Even without any brain drains, they still aren't an empire anymore. They just can't afford to make entirely new rockets, even if they have smart enough engineers.So they continue to limp along on 50yo Soyuz designs.
>>16470943post-soviet shitholes have this almost religious view on the CIA that they are a deity that can do anything anywhere.basically anything that goes wrong in one of these places or anyone who disagrees with them is the CIA magically pulling the strings.i don't doubt the CIA has done lots of shady shit but they're incompetent as hell especially now with all the DEI nonsense, they could never pull off 90% of the shit these people claim they did.
>>16470950i already had my doubts of russia pulling off first-stage reuse before this conflict, now with their further braindrain and economic decay i don't see a chance in hell of them building anything new, another independent module in space is the best we might see from them.
>>16470875Go back to xitter, troon
>>16470940Hitler was right about slavs, truly a race of subhumans.
>>16470947you do realise what a plan is right?it is a plan to impliment action. maybe you are used to certain other organizations lying, but when Russia says it will do something it generally does it.
>>16470953>pointing out the obvious is xittertrooningi know you're a very indoctrinated normalfag who takes politicians words at face value but this general voted for trump because he's simply a better alternative to the decay of kamala and he'll at worst leave spaceflight the fuck alone instead of trying to destroy it like democrats would.did...were you under the impression that this place was another MAGA rally or something? did you feel in good company?elon and trump is a good partnership because elon gets is companies not disrupted and trump gets to be the president who brought the glory of spessflight back to america.
Has anyone got tips on learning maths and physics from scratch?
>>16470896using solids in the first place is a waste of time and retarded
>>16470926okay and now some funding is magically going to happen? that plan is from 2020 and they still haven't built the hopper vehicleSpaceX built F9 hopper 15 years ago
>>16470959No it doesn't lmao.
>>16470922>Russia will dominate and rival that of the US. Together with China we will take a base on the MoonlmaoChina might very well start doing a moon base, Russia won't be a part of it (see what happened with Tiangong for instance)
>>16470959>when russia says it will do something it generally does itPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>16470961>does the guy who founded Space Force and Artemis care about spaceuh... yes
>>16470963it's a good idea if you want to use it as a stealth subsidy to your missile industry
>>16470966america sent dogs to bite Russian heels. And yet Russia is still standing.Try again.
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1856002262201503949>Thank you to all those who have served, including the 1,600+ men and women at SpaceX>Happy Veterans Day!
>>16470959Oh please, 90% of the time Russia does anything, they're doing it for appearances alone and fake how much effort is actually going into it to everyone.
>>16470974>america sent dogs.no, i believe russia attacked a smaller version of itself and hit a brick wall, causing massive derangement in the people that kowtowed it as the based white saviour of the white race (it's browner than the US).i mean, if that was america "sending dogs" then russia was pretty fucking stupid as to fall for the bait.
>>16470974Greece is still standing too. It's just an irrelevant shithole like yours.
>>16470974this place isn't a hugbox for slavs, talk about actual rockets that actually exist and are actually being built rather than this potemkin nonsense nex time.
>>16470984>>16470983>>16470981Take it to another board, holy shit you faggots shut the fuck up already god damn you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFuqyR97BFI&ab_channel=NASASpaceflightKoreasat 6A launching in 25 minutes
>>16470980Every sucking vet dick this day
>>16470951Fascinating, thank you
>>16470983I'm not going to educate you on the illegal maidan coup or any of the brazen provocations that followed to train a country of 30 million to hate and attack Russia. Just rest assured in that and know that, back to the point, Russia is still standing and will journey into space stronger like never before, never forgetting the westen attacks.
>>16470993>Take it to another board, holy shit you faggots shut the fuck up already god damn you.I'm talking about how much effort Russia is putting into spaceflight. Cope.
>>16470997>illegal maidan coupi heard about this over and over again from you people but never any proof, lol.what actually happened was ukrainians were promised more intergration with western economies, were denied that, rioted, their sitting president panicked and shot a bunch of rioters, causing more anger and more rioting, then fled the scene to russia.nobody forced him to gtfo, lol, he never came back and they decided "well i guess we need new leadership now".>hate and attack russiado you seriously expect anyone to believe this?>all that cope afterwardslook i know you have some weird obsession with this country, maybe you live there, but understand that most other people are not as delusional about the level of decay and corruption in either of these countries as you are.
>>16471005The Russians have a lot of misplaced belief that people love and respect them and that all the bad things happening to them are either The Way Things Are or because someone else cheated them. Their national psyche is incapable of serious introspection without crawling to alcoholism or suicide (or both).
>>16471010it's sad because they unironically could rebuild the glory days with their population and resources if they were more self-critical and stopped coping about everything going wrong being the CIA foiling them.
>>16470928Could Soyuz be used to send Progress to a polar inclination? Thinking how they would go about resupplying that thing
>>16470997>just trust me brothat doesn't work in non-shitholes slavanon.where's the hardware for your rockets, seriously, show me the prototype landing legs russia is working on.oh, you can't? it's sekrit dokumints? well nobody cares then.
koreasat launch in 5 mins
>>16471011I don't understand why the don't just replicate the Chinese miracle now that China is the one exporting jobs. They could've reindustrialized taking advantage of China the same way China took advantage of us. Why would they send their boys to die to capture farmland when they could've sent them to work? War in the modern era is a fucking retarded endeavor
Décollage!
>observation
stage sep
>>16470997I get banned for several days because i said bezos should have done more asskissing like musk did with trump, and this retard the mods leave alone.
>>16471019china doesn't have the same culture of stealing and mafia state that took hold of russia after the collapse of the USSR.it's no joke that it's pretty much a mafia with a gas station, and any part of the economy that threatens that mafia or doesn't pay tithes gets nuked.for instance you'd never get a spacex in russia, if a commercial company started finding success, roscosmos would likely send hitmen to prevent themselves from becoming even slightly less relevant.then on top of that there's just stealing at every level, everyone steals from every budget and eachother.this is the muck preventing them from revitalizing themselves.they have enough people, they have (some) infrastructure and aren't starting from zero, they have the space, they have the resources, what they lack is the introspection necessary to stop being self-pitying bitches and get their act together.
>>16471030>china doesn't have the same culture of stealing and mafia stateWhy do you talk about things you have no understanding of.
>>16470998>>16471005>>16471010>>16471011Off-topic trash, clean it up janny
>>16471033Announcing reports, clean it up janny
>>16471032china has *some* culture of stealing but it's not nearly as bad as russia or even the soviet union, which was bad but significantly better than modern-day russia.corruption in china/the west simply takes on less destructive forms than in post-soviet states, it's still there, it's just not as inhibiting to technological and industrial progress as russia's form.
kino landing burn shot
LANDED
LANDING succesful!holy shit can you believe it?
>>16470964here is their hopper prototype
>>16471040Koo!
That was a very soft landing.
>>16471040kek
>>16470865>>16470849Why are Italians so lazy? I'm half Italoan but my family has been in America for generations. I work with a Italian kid and he has terrible work ethic. I visited Sicily and they even close the fucking cemetery for siesta. Like wtf?
>>16471045who are you talking to?
>>16471035Anon, you literally cant do shit in china without first bribing every goverment worker&local party official involved. The fuck are you talking about?
>>16471045Who the hell are you talking to
>>16470875Yes, he unironically does. More than any president we have ever seen. More than, Kennedy, more than Bush
The SpaceX announcer this time has such a soothing and pleasant voice wow
>>16471048China>give every member of the city council a gold bar>drop rocket stage on village Russia>attempt to start a rocket business >executed by your state competition
>>16471048sure but they still get shit done despite it, russia doesn't. that's what i was trying to point out.in china (and to some degree western countries) money during the making of the project, and the budget is just inflated.in russia, the entire budget gets stolen and usually half the hardware that somehow manages to make it out the other end gets stolen as well.the end product is simply fucked up by russia's form of corruption.
>>16471055*money is stolen during the making of the project.
>>16470886>homosexual>when most trannies are "transbian" or identify as lesbianslol, /pol/chuds be clueless
>>16470900>>you don't have to carry a tower to space and back like you do legs>what is HLS
>>16471013There is no reason to think it couldn't from either of Plesetsk or Vostochny.
>>16471061Something not carrying 100+ tons of cargo into LEO.
>>16471030>china doesn't have a culture of stealing and mafia state
>>16471033we're talking about the implications that societal decay and corruption have on rocket technology, in the same way the US election affects spaceflight, this does as well, so it's on topic and you need to keep your little howler shut.
>music with some random interspersed speakingHate this shit so much, these are the worst tracks SpaceX plays
https://commoninja.site/sfgOnly eight contestants left! Big one: Mars v Earth.
>>16471069china's only got bad recently, they were doing pretty damn well under deng.
>>16471072nobody cares faggot neck yourself
>>16471070No, (you) are gay.
>>16471076the election was spaceflight related and so was this, so you're wrong and you're gay instead actually.
>>16471061>what is HLSsomething that doesn't come back to urf, and only lands in a place with no tower
>>16471074Deng was a piece of shit too, but at least he wasnt constantly starting shit with the west.
>>16471080that's the point, he was smart enough to let rich countries outsource their industry to them. the current chinese administration is basically doing everything they can to undo this economic miracle.
buh bye
kino lightning storm below
>>16471083Off to serve the glorious nation of Best Korea
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXMasterrace/comments/1gorneo/starship_flight_6_just_a_week_away/
>>164711002 more weeks
>>16471046>Lazy Italians Sicilians and Neapolitans are not Italian
>Spaceplane developer Reaction Engines goes bankrupt>The company, founded in 1989Imagine working your entire careerand never flying anything you ever made
>>16471079>a place with no towerFor now.
>>16471113This is why people are working for SpaceX as indentured servants
>>16471113Brit here, reaction engines was obviousy a scam. There is no space industry in the UK, reaction engines never got any contracts for space related stuff, Skylon was just a retarded meme. They were grifting contracts off the Ministry of Defence promising to develope the Skylon engine for use in supersonic fighter jets. After 30 years of getting grifted the government finally realised and pulled the plug. As far as I know reaction engines never even got as far as testing one of their engines kek.
>>16471122just have an impossible design and coast by on minimum funding for your whole career
>>16471126Is this a X-37B copycat?
>>16471126Impressive!
>>16471129>https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1855875068913734045No, its closest Western analog would be the Dream Chaser
>>16471135You mean it's a Chinese analogue of American and Soviet lifting body spacecraft like Dreamchaser.
>>16471139Of a completely pointless and mass inefficient capsule design
>>16471141You are correct the mini 'space planes' are a less efficient design than capsules, one has to decide if their advantages are worth the tradeoff when persuing development of a spacecraft.
>>16471048>that big shit stain trail in the skyu sure that wasn't india
>>16471141fuck mass efficiency
>>16471107They are more Italian than Italians themselves
>>16471166sar
i will erupt with mountains of cum when starship launches again in a week.
>>16471171That's physically impossible
>>16471172re-using rockets was considered physically impossible yet here we are.it's quite simple, i erupt the mountain of cum, and quickly use an array blowdryers to dry and harden the outer layer of cum before it tries to find equilibrium and collapses.your can't do mindset is unwelcome here.
>>16471173noone considered it physically impossiblerocket companies were run by grifters and boomers who don't do anything until they are written a check to do it
>>16471173>starship has no payload >strap payload to anon instead>launch starship>anon sees starship launch>Anon erupts Mountains of cum>this is enough delta V to launch anon and the payload into orbit>starship can now launch payload (indirectly)
>>16470940it's very sad, honestly. Russia lost half their space fleet when they invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022 (Dnepr, Zenit, Rokot, and Sea Launch the first time, and then Antares, Soyuz-ST, and Vega upper stage the second time, not to mention losing all their commercial contracts like OneWeb and collaborations like ExoMars) They had a big chunk of their aerospace industry.Kind of amazing they can keep going with the ISS. I wonder how tense it gets up there as things transpire down the well.
>>16471141Kino efficiency out weights that
the video from USDV will be incredible
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elon-musk-weighing-trump-staffing-decisions-sources/story?id=115730434Musk is going to run the country because Trump is a moron. Not the worst outcome desu
>>16471186Good God I hope SpaceX does the stream and not NASA. I scream at the screen during the NASA streams>SpaceX has great cameras, stop cutting to a black woman talking!!!!!
>>16470821Genuine question becwuse I can’t find info on it. Have they attempted to light a fire on Mars? I mean a traditional fire not using any weird fuels that don’t necessarily require oxygen. Have they tried to send a rover or robot with specialized tools that could either scrape some magnesium and flint onto fire start material (like for camping) or like the classic dowel spinning into firewood to make heat and friction? Or any other method which should only work on earth?Asking because they found a field of pure sulfur on that big red nigguh the other day. And it got me thinking about shit and then I wondered thisThis isn’t my home board pls no bully
>>16471203no. sorry.
>>16471201and putin controls musk
>>16471206israel controls putin
garbage threadfuck you
>>16471201I love Elon and voted Trump so I say with no malice, Elon is autistic and Trump is socially feminine so if Elon is overstaying his welcome by doing this then he'll have no idea all the way up until Trump says>alright get this retard out of hereand they have a falling out a month before he even gets into office
>>16471209Delete this postNow
fuck you
Fuck little rocket girls in the butt. Make them cry!
>>16471212I'm not being a doomer, I'm being a concerned spaceflight fan
>>16471215>>16471209concern troll.
>>16471207and trump controls israel.the whole thing is an ouroboros
Lee Zeldin will be running the EPA. He's been a solid Congressman like Bridenstine was, and is the second New York Representative to get an admin job after Elise Stefanik (UNAmb). Lee Zeldin is also Jewish so posting "the Jews did this" about environmental delays is now accurate.
I'll say it's just as likely that these two workaholics known for aggressively firing people who both enjoy tweeting and diet cokes are basically a match made in heaven and their teamwork ushers America into a new age of prosperity and secures the conditions needed for a Mars city through to self sufficiency. Would love to know how things are on the inside right now. >>16471222My concern isn't trolling just because it spread to you lol. That's how normal communication works
The FAA will be abolished completely. The final block to progress, gone
>>16471209This is probably a very likely outcome. I doubt those two will work together very well. Hopefully Trump just puts Elon in charge of stuff that they don't cross paths on then it'll probably work out just fine.
>>16471230>jewish cabinet picksNotFucking AgainPlease
>>16470974>Russian heels.
>>16470849>"We're going out of business anyway. Why go to the trouble of making reusable hardware? That sounds difficult. If you'll excuse me, it's time for my second nap of the afternoon."Most self aware euro
>>16470870They couldn't build anything worth launching into space even if they had the launch capacity. If you're talking about other countries launching from Ecuador that's a different story.
>>16470875I wish Trump cared as much about space as the president who established the space force and started the artemis program. I hear that guy also talks to Elon regularly.
>>16471209All Elon needs to do is name the first moon landing Starship after Trump. And make sure it doesn't blow up.
>>16471252That happens more than one month from now
>>16470962Read textbooks and do the exercises (this is the important part)
>>16471258That is the part that is so trivial that is left for the reader
>>16471260grim
>>16471040That's a falcon 9, dingus.
Hello, /sfg/. I am a white, 6'2", blue-eyed, blond-haired British male. I am going to be the first person to set foot on Callisto. My first words as I claim this new world will be "Christ is king". Mark my words.
>>16470962nigga, use the fucking internet, why does this question gets asked 99999 times every single day on this board?
>>16471260What the fuck
>>16471262Sorry, our fact checkers have found this to be false
>>16471262There will be no place for r*ligion in the solar system, it'll be just a thing from the past.
>>16471203There's not enough oxygen to start a fire.Fires normally need to produce enough heat to stay warm enough to keep burning or they go out, and you probably couldn't do that with the amount of atmospheric oxygen there (basically none).
>>16471271It is just another to be reminded that Mars's atmosphere is 1% of Earth's. Meaning that Mars is basically an asteroid pretending to be a planet.
F-9 launch>Starlin 6-69>https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1856085347358388704
>>16471263There's a pool of a million fatherless zoomers on this site, and when they realize their life is fucked up and shitty they get manic and make a list of stuff they should do. (exclusively nebulous stuff like learn physics or purchase a drop shipping program, nothing productive like getting a driver's license)Where do you learn about these things? Your authority figure? Your friends? Those are the same thing. Four chan (formerly four channel (formerly four chan)). There's a science board, right? I saw a screenshot of some posts from there in a youtube video, I'll ask there
>>16470962Ask grok. But really, use ai assistant.
>>16471261flacon* 9
>>16471265On slow boards it's easy to predict your own post number
>>16471276>they get manic and make a list of stuff they should do.yeah, I sometimes get the feeling that it's just anons with ADHD who get quite excited about learning advanced stuff, but they never go through it and end up procrastinating. Think of like those people who download hundreds of PDFs "just in case" and they never read them lol.
>>16471270
>>16471230i trust Elon to clean out all the horrible bureaucrats there.
>>16471285
>>16471291Damn that's me. Recently purchased a 16tb hard drive
>>16471291I feel attacked
>>16471289kek, but in all seriousness, I don't know why they are so obsessed with religion in here. The fact that plebbit is full with pretentious teen atheists doesn't mean that 4chan has to go and do the complete total opposite just for the sake of being contrarian.
>>16471230>>16471290also theres this. he seems fine.
>>16471040>FLACON 9kek
>>16471209its not going to happen, stop bringing this gay leftist fantasy up every thread
>>16471297yes it does lolwelcome to 4chan
>>16471297Secular, de facto atheist societies don't reproduce. I'm an unbeliever myself but facts must be faced.
>>16471293Have one where you're a chad with a gf
>>16471309literally me (in my deluded and warped imagination)
>>16471214BASEDASED
Ares I + Orion to LEO, dock with fully refilled Starship HLS, go to the Moon
>>16471316Unironically a better idea than SLS block 1b
>>16471321who cares?
>>16471262Miles. go back to shitposting on twitter
>>16471316>>16471318hindsight is 20/20 and constellation was prohibitively expensive. I think had anyone known there would be commercial super heavy lift vehicles they would have kept ares I online, but in the Obama era the idea of even a “heavy lift commercial rocket” was comical, much less a super heavy lift on par with Saturn V
>>16471316launch the SLS+Orion on top of a Starship superheavy first stage.go to mars or some shit
>>16471297Space is a clearly Christian environment
>>16471318What is unironic is that it would be cheaper to pay to develop a modified Falcon Heavy to deliver an Orion to LEO than it would be to procure a single SLS.
>>16471322my portfolio
>>16471322The Tesla shorters like CSS who lost a lot of money.
>>16471262I just imagined Armstrong saying "Christ is king" and HOLY SHIT it was so cringe.
>>16471309PSA: you can just read PDFs right awaychanged my fucking life
>>16471201https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856073530137526564
>>16470836https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856073111956762853
>>16471332I just imagined Aldrin taking communion on the moon and the Apollo 8 crew reading from Genesis and HOLY SHIT it was so cringe>https://files.catbox.moe/m71t9n.ogg
>>16471337Depends on what your needs are. A 10 ton reusable could cover 95% of Russia's launch needs for the foreseeable future
>>16471215>>16471209Go be an insufferable faggot somewhere else
https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1856091979115049385I wonder if this is some kind of power play from Trump as well or if they genuinely like each otherat face value they share many of the same values and goals at least (that most people do in fact)
>>16471234Damn they do have a lot in common when you put it like that
>>16471334>>16471349Don't lose focus ElonEyes on the prize ElonDon't fuck this up ElonEyes on Mars Elon
>>16471254I dont know about this new sideboob reveal brosI bet removing all those attachment points if this works though makes a decent weight savings
Cool hat.
>>16471322Elon can liquify tesla to fund spacex or his other companies that aid mars colonization, and tesla R&D is helpful for spaceflight and roboticsBasically you need to pay the fuck attention before getting hostile poorfag
>>16471355If he doesn't slay the government, he isn't getting to mars. He needs to clear this side quest. SpaceX can take care of itself for a while.
>>16471332https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading
>>16471348Explain why it's unlikely
>>16471360>Elon can liquify tesla to fund spacexConsidering the vast amount of profit that Starlink will bring, I'd say this is now just a backup plan.
>>16471360You don't liquidate stocks like that, that's for poors. You just take out massive giga nigga loans with the stocks as collateral.
/sfg/ said Starship orbital refuelling is a non-event, but Reddit is saying it's going to be a challenging task and has a lot of problems that can't immediately be solved.
>>16471161Ok, eggplant.
>>16471371They will do it first time. Now go away.
>>16471371Stuff already gets refilled in orbit, I don't understand the challenges involved in scaling up. Just bigger pipes or more time. I think it's just been memed to death by detractors so they think it's bigger than it is
is urinating in zero g challenging?because thats fluid transfer
>>16471375Yes. Also not cryogenic.
>>16471375It is, yeah. NASA hadn't really solved urethral impaction until the late 90s
>>16471373>>16471374I'm hearing that pumping fuel in microgravity is impossible.
>>16471376temperature literally makes no difference to anything...a fluid is a fluid
>>16471374As far as I know all of the fuel transfers that have been done before used hypergolic propellants, so there's a lot of work with cooling systems and boiloff that's never been done before in space. Pushing the propellant from Progress into Zvezda is probably a pressure driven system and that's not practical at the scale Starship is working at. The problems all have solutions that people have put a lot of thought into but no one has actually built something that works with those ideas.
>>16471379Just spin enough to generate like 0.05g, it's that easy >>16471382Changes your materials options. Fuck I hate valves
>>16471384They are already dealing with cryogenics in fueling the rockets, why would there be any concern in space where boiloff is now 1% of what it was on earth
>>16471388boiloff is 100% of what it was in earth actually jackass..
thoughts on this?https://www.raillynews.com/2024/11/almanya-uzay-ucagi-testlerinde-onemli-asama-kaydetti/
>>16471392?You are literally vacuum insulated perfectly on all sides in a vacuum
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1855835855690338645>Liftoff at 04:03UTC on November 11, Kinetica-1 Y5 launched 15 satellites from Jiuquan. This is the first time Kinetica-1 is equipped with D3.35m fairings.https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1855954695547941348>FPV drone photography is getting popular in shooting launch videos
>>16471396https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1855836228219990098>This is also the first time that Kinetica-1 launches for a foreign customer with an Omani IRSS-1/OL-1 remote sensing satellite. The other 14 are Shiyan-26-A/B/C, Jilin-1-GF05B, Jilin-1-PT02A03, Yunyao-1-31~36, Xiguang-1-04/05 and Tianyan-24
>>16471396holy kino
>>16471394there is this little thing called the SUN!
>>16471355I wonder how Elon got by all these years without hearing this from you.
>>16471379>gently accelerate both ships>now you're not in microgravity anymorenow leave, you fucking retard
>>16471396amazing drone shots. western launch suppliers could never
>>16471396>expendable dronengmi
>>16471371NASA propaganda that people have started to believe not based in any technical problems but just due to Shelby being against orbital depots so much that people started self-censoring around the word and concept of orbital propellant depotand now people mistake this taboo with the technical problem as being difficult
>>16471393she's cute but I already have a foxgirl wife
Why is starship fuel transfer depicted back to back when that makes the least sense in mspaint?I don't see how you would get all the fuel from the tanker to the depot. Also the center of gravity is off and constantly changes.Inline you can get all the fuel and the center of gravity is consistent, but shit is in the way. But the tanker can deploy a boom like aircraft. Or the nose can open and a seam in the TPS is accepted. Space shuttle had landing gear and a hatch down covered by TPS didn't it? So this might be trivial. A tanker isn't a crewed vehicle anyway.
>>16471333but then I couldn't collect as many
>>16471417forgot the tanker needs header tanks but i dont think it changes much
>>16471417Probably because that's where the QD panel is on starship and there are already fluid lines present to fill and drain the tanks.The depot might have a QD-like contraption that's shoved into the tanker starship's panel. There's no reason to put the ships under acceleration using raptors, RCS will suffice, and in that case why couldn't the acceleration be laterally through the axis joining the two ships. The depot variant won't have a heat shield, you have all the room to build propellant settling thrusters with as wide a nozzle as you want opening out of its side.Just open the valves, thrust and let """gravity""" carry the propellants into the depot. No need for pumps or spinning.
>>16471421or you justboil off your fuel a little bit, pressurize the tank, and push the fuel to the other vehicle
>>16471375pee it's easy because it's pressure-fedpooping is what's hard, because it needs gravity to help it come out
>>16471423Propellants still need to be settled for that to work or you're pushing mostly gas and small blobs of propellant into the other ship. You can help it along with a pressure difference, sure, but you can't get away from needing acceleration
GET THE FUCK IN HERE!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFQUq_5xRshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFQUq_5xRshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFQUq_5xRshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFQUq_5xRshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFQUq_5xRs
>>16471417>why does SpaceX depict fuel transfer in the orientation they aee going to perform itThink about it harder and look at the changes on the V2 ships that accommodate it.
>>16471432>Blunderf00tShan't. Go cry for more EU funding, fag.
>>16471421Oh i'm retarded thanks
>>16471417Eager had a video on this a few weeks back, basically boils down to either>Using ullage thrust to settle the propellant Or>Cryogenically cooling the recieving tank to vastly lower the tank pressure compared to the refilling ship.
Elon Morsk
>>16471426a slight rotation is all you need for thatin any direction
Elonicvs Muskutoos
>>16471432This is just sad now. He's sitting in a Croatian shack with a dead end job and a youtube channel genuinely trying to convince his followers that he's smarter than a man with several successful technology companies and the ear of the leader of the free world.
So why arent in ice Europan colonies planned? Would the ice not block that hostile radiation belt that seems to be the main issue of trying to live there? And at that point you would also have a limitless source of water. Im sure you could also find a cave on the surface somewhere or atleast an easy place to burrow deep into the ice. If you have limitless water, you have limitless oxygen as well? Would be a good environment for hydroponics, aquaculture, etc. What am I missing here?
>>16471424>Currently, fecal waste is not processed for water recovery, but NASA is studying this capability.Imagine drinking water extracted from your and your coworkers' poop
>>16471462Id rather not. Give the shit to the plants they need water too, thanks. I can stand reclaimed piss but not reclaimed shit.
>>16471432it's just sad at this point
>>16471462ok, I'm imagining it. now what?
>>16471461>So why arent in ice Europan colonies planned?When are you morons going to realize that ice moons don't have metals and therefore they are useless?
800 years from now, the Martians take their first steps outside completely unaided by a pressure suit. Carbon Dioxide PPM is too high to breathe, but the air blows with a soft breeze.
>>16471469I dont take opinions from spaceplane loving nigs
Explain why you dont support aquaponics.
>>16471474Also aquaponics is not hydroponics for newfigs
>>16471472I HATE HATE HATE TERRAFORMINGLEAVE MY SERENE DESOLATION ALONE
>>16471474I do though.Martians will have lots of healthy tasty fish
https://youtu.be/QxphA7uzKTA
>>16471379It is. But Elon always proves us wrong so I give up
ITS TIPPING OVER
>>16471461>under Europa's iceWhat sort of forces do you imagine are squeezing out those geysers? Pinned under the thinnest ice you'd experience pressures similar to the average ocean floor on Earth. When we start colonizing our oceans we can revisit. >>16471469You'll hit rock eventually.
>>16471476>using machines to replicate a small ecosystem for food instead of just using machines to make food
>>16471488>You'll hit rock eventually.Its too far down. Even with lower gravity the pressures at those depths rule exploitation out.
Anyone kind of concerned that /g/ went to having 1-2 elon threads up any any time to fucking zero every time I've looked for the passed few days? I hope OP is doing ok
>>16471503I don't care about what the trannies and commies at /g/ are doing.
>>16471503Fuck off back to >>>/g/ retard we dont want your kind here
>>16471508>we they/them
>>16471510Why are you telling me your pronouns, multiboarding nigger? Do you think I care or something?
So wen ship catch? They need at minimum the second tower right? Unless they hustle superheavy off while starship runs a bunch a bunch or orbits?
>>16471510how much amss savings are they getting from the trimmed tiles?
>>16471514Grams are being counted because both vehicles are still pig FUCKING FAT. We boomerspace now.
>>16471488Explain. Mines on Earth go deeper than they would with a colony and you can still work just fine in there.
>>16471514maybe a ton at most, but removing tiles at the midway point enables them to add catch hardware on later ships
>>16471499I see it as a technology problem not a physics problem. No aspect of this is even close to solved and we certainly won't see it, but who knows.>>16471516Underwater?
>>1647151430 tons to LEO -> 30.5 tons
Starship catch is retarded, just use legs
>>16471518I said underice. Do you need me to say in ice instead?? I literally mentioned surface level caves too.
>>16471512>me>IWhere did your other personalities go? Why is this one lonely?
>>16471523Oh woops, yeah I see. How active is that ice?
Breeding my wife is retarded just use ivf
>>16471528a woman cannot get pregnant if she doesnt reach orgasm
>>16471530Why lie when you know from experience thats not true?
>muh joos!!>>>/pol/
dead gemeral. RIP /SFG/
>>16471596>no typing for 20 minutes>dead>doesnt use /sfg/ specific imageask me how I know youre a retarded zoomer from /pol/
we're doing a IFT-1 rewatch in the 'cord
wtf
>>16471598Back to the sharty you wojak spamming nigger
>>16471599When is he due?
>>16471599Elon Musk Heavy FT v 1.2
>>16471599Martian chestburster about to break its way out. Very sad to see him go.
>>16471599could be worse
>>16471599>>16471603>disrupts the woman industry by having the babies himselfbased
>>16471612best woman is no woman
>they unironically believe musk isnt fat
who cares nigga
i care
space fat general
>>16471617We have the robots under development, secret artificial womb project making excellent progress. Soon women will be rendered obsolete!- x
I am scared guys. Imagine what Elon would do if he was truly cornered, and couldn't get to Mars. If someone or something more powerful than him stood in his way. What wouldn't he do?
>>16471646kek>>16471648he should have his own nuclear weapons, so that he could hold the whole world hostage
>>16471462why would I need to imagine it?
>>16471477If you want to live in a shithole stay on EarthI hear California is pretty bad
>>16471648More powerful than POTUS? Nothing to worry about this term.
>>16471659Elon aint getting us to Mars in 4 years, so now what?
>>16471666Checked and balancepilled
>>16471504>>16471513They will extend the tower catch Starship above the booster.
>>16471675>more jew picksIt's over isn't it. Nothing ever happens.
>>16471678its a jew obsessed /pol/ack what can you expect with election season. choices so far have been great, hopeful for nasa administrator pick to be good
>>16471492What if we skip the machines altogether and just use a large ecosystem?
>>16471072Only two rounds left: Earth v Jupiter and Evropa vs Mimas. I'm surprised Mimas made it so far. Unfortunately Marsfags lost this time. Vote now!
>>16471522The mass margins are extremely slim as it is
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1856137907716661484
>>16471743>>>/n/
>>16471396I hate the FAA>I hate the FAAI hate the FAA>I hate the FAAI hate the FAA>I hate the FAAI hate the FAA>I hate the FAAI hate the FAA
>>16471745I bet hes gooning in that tent
https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1856023732600426920Story about liquid oxygen
>>16471668
>>16471599chat is this real?
Monday the 18th.Partly Cloudy.24% precipitation.
>>16471754back to discord>>16471756ermmm that was 19% yesterday
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856229511148241198
>Musk went on a warpath against the sitting president so he could launch his Mars rocket unimpeded
>>16471452Healthy young man goes to Prague, gets pumped with massive amounts of cheap beer, doesn't feel good and changes - ALCOHOLISM. Many such cases!
>>16471752This fotograf is doctored
>>16471762source?
>>16471766haha so funny man
>>16471759it was a self defense situation
>>16471768https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Ui8BdIYRk
>>16471768Understandable, have a nice day elon. Make sure to liquidate a bunch of them while you have the chance.
heres your titan pic, now cancel dragonfly immediatly.
Russia keeps burning money on fake project that will never fly.The nuclear tug is designed for deep space exploration. According to calculations, Zeus can deliver cargo weighing up to 10 tons to the Moon or Mars. For comparison, modern technologies allow vehicles weighing up to 2 tons to be thrown onto the Red Planet.Due to the characteristics of the engines, the nuclear tug slowly picks up speed, and then slowly slows down. Therefore, it will take a lot of time for him to travel short distances. For example, Zeus will reach the Moon in 200 days, but at long distances a nuclear tug will give odds to anyone. For example, it will reach Jupiter in a year and a half.
people still pay attention to russian spaceflight?
>>16471777Despite their retardation in spaceflight, russian nuclear industry is both huge and competent. I'm sure they could make the engine, but the rest of that giant craft? lol lmao even
>>16471778You better pay attention. Russia will start to create hopper for Amur-spg reusable rocket in the next year. Most likely will be 3rd nation with reusable rocket. Has many scientific projects and plans for superheavy rocket and interplanetary expansion
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/there-are-some-things-the-crew-8-astronauts-arent-ready-to-talk-about/what happened? some mental health problem?
>>16471794>One of the most famous incidents involving hospitalized astronauts was in 1975, before the passage of the HIPAA medical privacy law, when NASA astronauts Thomas Stafford, Deke Slayton, and Vance Brand stayed at a military hospital in Hawaii nearly two weeks after inhaling toxic propellant fumes that accidentally entered their spacecraft's internal cabin as it descended under parachutes. They were returning to Earth at the end of the Apollo-Soyuz mission, in which they docked their Apollo command module to a Soviet Soyuz spacecraft in orbit.
>>16471794Space madness...scary
>>16471794>"grabbing her legs and using her as an end effector"Hot
>>16471794they prolly shit their pants or something gross like that and they just dont want to talk about it to anyone except their doctors.
>>16471820it sounds like the zerog fluid in their brains caused a woman to go space crazy and the doctors dont want to admit it is normal female behavior
Anime rocket girls get fucked in the ass by me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMfLYCnvWV4>It's GO Time! Flight 6 is So Close | Starbase Update
>>16471826Kys
>>16471821fact checked true and real
>>16471794>have some minor medical issue following long duration 0g excursion>released from hospital after one night, doctors saying you are fine>ELON MUSK IS PUTTING ASTRONAUTS IN DANGER (implied)you really, absolutely and truly don't hate "journalists" as much as you should
>>16471830 you just proved your gay
>>16471838I thought NASA started that by saying SpaceX needs to focus more on astronaut safety. This was right after the Crew8 retrieval
>>16471781>russian nuclear industry>competent
>>16471842Yeah, ok, the gen1 plant built on day 0 of nuke tech that failed due to commie retardation and would have been still safe if the operational parameters weren't redacted by commie apparatchik government fuckheads. versus Russians providing great reactors for any kind of use to nations everywhere over the globe for the last 30 years with 0 issues. They know their glowing rocks. Kill yourself /k/ike.
>>16471843gb2>>>/pol/
>>16471846after you go back /k/
Im raping cats. hallejuhah im rapen cats
>>>/wsg/5732155
>>16471843It's Russian state policy to fund euro "green" anti-nuclear groups so they can sell more oil & gas.
>>1647184zased
>>16471851erm, maybe don't be fucking retarded then????
>>16471851>get fooled by dumb fuck basic psyops and remove your already paid for nuclear grid>noooooooooooo how could they do this to usjej, cant make this stuff up
>>16471209>overstaying his welcomeYou are saying it like Donny is just being a nice guy and doesn't owe Elon anything.
>>16471851>>16471858Aren't nuclear plants overrated anyway? In France energy is subsidized.
>>16471867Owe? What's the transaction? Under what court of law will it be enforced? Elon was important when trying to get elected, and now he's elected. Now Elon needs him. It might be like I said here >>16471234 that they're a match made in heaven and they're best friends for the rest of their days though
>>16471849there are probably a bunch of bureaucrats that have done shit that is straight up illegalthey need to be prosecuted, not just fired
>>16471870>Under what court of law will it be enforced?Idk, how do rich people usually control/influence politicians they support?
>>16471826Fucking a girl in the ass is straighter than fucking her pussy. If someone thinks sex is about the girl enjoying it then theyre gay.
funko pops arrived
>>16470847I think 2g surface gravity means you need a Saturn V to reach orbit
>>16471826this anon fucks
>>16471799https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGfWrJR5Ck
>>16471838>the only reason for pissing away billions with ISS is to learn about humans and spaceflight>we won't tell you what happened
>>16471884how much did you spend?
>>16471937>we didn't learn anything and we didn't update any equipment to modern standards from the decades of experience :)thanks nasa
Does Elon Musk remind anyone else of Kyplanet?
>>16471937CO2 poisoning is bad even in space, thats itno refunds
>>16471941Kyplanet is actually Elon Musks shitposting account with an AI voice
>>16471821Women have a biological imperative to drill holes in spacecraft. There's nothing "irrational" or "crazy" about it.
>>16471939Like $30 all in. These are children's toys still in production. The "collectable packaging" is now at the bottom of my trash can
>>16471944lmao
>>16471944is it related to guys digging holes in beach sand?
>>16471944More like Russian "engineers" have a tendency to cover over their fuckups with cheap epoxy.Remember that famous Proton launch? That had its gyros hammered in with a mallet upside down because they're only supposed to fit in one way.
>>16471404just do it at night, duh
>>16471452absolut krunning-duger
https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1856338097648071118https://fireflyspace.com/news/firefly-aerospace-closes-oversubscribed-175-million-series-d-capital-raise-with-new-lead-investor/
>>16471794he came back inside with some kind of large spider-like creature attached to his face but thankfully it dropped off overnight during the hospital stay. The crew member has been released into the general population and is reportedly in good health.
>>16471754i dont know
>>16471884wish they stocked those in the stores near me.
>>16471957these people should thank mr Musk for the free money they are getting
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856346403729027381
>>16471975thats crazy
>>16471977Yeah.
How is this allowed? https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1856345400208203910
>>16471975Fuck I'm late and gay
spacex is launching every single day now and literally noone is building payloads to take advantage of that launch rateother than starlink
>>16471995It takes time to build up and build lots of satellites and that takes money that people outside the Department of Defense don't have yet.
>>16471995I'm waiting on Starship to become operational before building my satellite and sending it into space
>>16472003u better get started, 2026 it'll be operational
SIXTH FLIGHT IN SIXTH DAYS ON THE 3X6 DAY OF THE MONTH
>>16471975>>16471989Do you think spacex can hit 140 launches this year? I thought for sure no after the falcon grounding, but if this rate holds they will.>>16471995No one makes enough money off satellites to afford one launch per week, except starlink of course. But 20 different entities launching 2 to 5 times a year is more than enough to sustain any reusable launcher.
>>16471995shows the market doesnt exist yet for this amount of payload volume.
>>16471995I AM the payload.
>>16472011? They could build a new ISS in a month
>>16471884Hey I remember you asking about these, I'm glad you got 'em anon.
>>16471777watch out how the usual "skeptics" won't debunk this, and will instead focus on felon musk as always lmao
>>16471961They're all on Amazon
>>16471995The whole industry is waiting for Starship (or still hasn't reacted to F9). We'll likely look back on this as a weird dead spot
>>16472004Alright off to home depot then
>>16472014That was some other guy, I just bought them after reading that conversation
>>16472022If Starship is a flat rate to LEO you could unironically make a satellite that's 99% purchased from home depot by mass
Does anyone have the updated version of this graph for Q3 2024? SpaceX was on track to reach +90% of all Earth payload to orbit this year, aka launching an order of magnitude more than the rest of the world combined. Surely they must have done it already.
>>16472023Mattel should hire me for marketing, I've already sold over three toys for them.
>>16472025The year of the mcmaster-carrsat is nigh
>>16472025you'll spend more on government permits than you did building the satellite
>>16471575haha, your type is so ridiculously easy to manipulate.did you forget that he's a jew himself?they will say literally anything to get as wide a range of resentful morons like you on their side.captcha: BASEDDR2
>>16472033Thats an 8 character captcha liar
>>16472026This is the company that makes them, and unfortunately it looks like there hasn't been an update since Q1https://brycetech.com/briefing
https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1856366622048694648>Block 2 flight layout! #FFSC #sendit
>>16472041That is a really messy engine.
>>16472041>>16472043Raptor 1 energy
>>16472044Pictured: Raptor 1. Stoke is doing a lot to help the case that Elon Musk's biggest contribution is pushing the engineers to work harder and make better products.
>>16472026It's going to be 99% of all mass to orbit once Starship starts production flights. And once the Martian colonization fleet is deployed the rest of the world will literally be less than measurement error.
>>16472047starship will be launching daily and NASA/US military will still be launching billion dollar GTO satellites on the F9
>>16471783>russia willno, russia claims they willtreating anything russians say with skepticism like we do leftists is probably a wise choice right now.
>>16472031This is quite literately true. Every small shop business tinkerer sources so many raw materials from there.Although they generally do not provide the valid quality and proof of source certificates of testing all regulated industries require, and all that expensive shit, it really doesn't matter when the satellite is hobby-tier cheap. All that certification is only needed in medical devices, critical military, and other safety related shit where there could be BIG lawsuits resulting from lack of verified paper tails. McMaster-Carr was specifically banned as a source in assemblies from our suppliers, a frequently made mistake. Truth is, a lot of that shit comes from China, India, and other shitty places that cant be trusted, but for a bag of screws, fuck it man
>>16472036are you new?
>>16472041>>16472046interesting to me is that raptor is much more horizontally compact, even raptor 1's powerhead fits inside it's own nozzle diameter, stoke's engine does not.
>>16472056Raptor is optimized for packing to squeeze as many engines underneath Superheavy as they can. It doesn't look like Stoke is making any such effort, making for a lot more wire and tube spaghetti and a far lower packing density.
>>16472058seems strange that it's so important to the eventual TWR of your rocket yet this metric of packing density is often ignored when comparing 1st stage engines.you can fit 3 whole raptors inside the nozzle diameter of a single F1 engine. raptor's greatest strength is it's thrust per square meter, not it's thrust to weight ratio.
>>16472060I agree, and the only reasonable explanation I have on Stoke's part is that they've got a breadboard engine, instead of a representative one.
>>16472013you still dont understand what I said. there is no money to afford a new ISS. nobody can afford to put up satellites at this rate. also im pretty sure F9 is too small to put up most ISS modules.
>>16472041Somehow still less of an engine-rat’s nest than BE-4
>>16471995What other payloads are you thinking of? Since they are the only launch provider that can provide such a launch rate, what guarantees would you have from SpaceX that your megaproject would get fair priority from them? You'd also have to pay a nice premium for your project compared to SpaceX doing its launches internally.
>>16472060thrust per square meter is only relevant if you are a real space company intending to actually launch stuff, glancing at their 2nd stage design, I highly doubt they are one
>>16472071I'm bullish on stoke. What's wrong with the second stage?
>>16472074to spiky :(pseudo aerospiky that is.
>neither SpaceX nor Tesla make their own batteriesfraud moment
>>16472074LH2, some sorta aerospike nonsense, regeneratively cooled reentry vehicle, micro launch vehicle leaves nothing left for any margins, certainly can't go beyond LEO
>>16472078Why would spacex make batteries? They’re a rocket company.Why would you bring up tesla? This is the space thread.
>>16472078you talking about this?https://www.techopedia.com/news/lg-inks-deal-to-supply-spacexs-starship-rocket-batteries>LG Energy Solution has reportedly struck a deal to provide the cylindrical lithium-ion cells that will help power SpaceX’s next-generation Starship rockets.
>>16472081>They’re a rocket companyThey're an ISP albeit
>>16472082Ye
>>16472083Why would an ISP make batteries?
>>16472078Tesla does, but they haven't really scaled it yet and right now they buy most of the cells from third parties
>https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/russia-fine-i-guess-we-should-have-a-grasshopper-rocket-project-too/>to have a reusable first stage and methane-fueled enginesThe rocket's name is amur-lng, so it seems like there is a certain focus on straight using their gas deposits. The only thing is that according to this page>http://www.braeunig.us/space/index.htmThe oxydizer would be oxygen, and for a ratio of 2.77, it should deliver around 300 s of Isp, which is actually a bit higher than the oxygen/kerosene mix spaceX uses for the same thing and even has a lower mixture ratio.Is this purely an economical decision out of Russia or is oxygen/methane a better mix? Or maybe they are not using oxygen as the oxydizer(is there anything else to properly oxydize methane)?
>>16472080Now that reusability has been proven I think it's worth exploring different methods of reentry. Anyway yeah the thing is downright tiny, it's a smallsat launcher at best. It isn't going beyond LEO. The main market Lapsa talks about all the time is space station resupply.
>>16471884nice buttplug and dildo collection
>>16471959Love a happy ending, Blessed.
>>16472078The LG batteries seem to be a continuation of partnership. LG is must what be powering F9 or starlink currently and SpaceX is happy with results.>>16472091Tesla for all intents and purposes make their own batteries. It's just an extremely close relationship with OEMs.Panasonic produces batteries in the gigafactory for example. It's panasonic doing all the legwork in the final chemistry and manufacturing processes but it's Tesla footing the bill for the factory and investment.It's an odd relationship and I don't understand why Tesla necessarily needs LG or Panasonic when they have such a huge R&D team themselves and control so much of how the batteries are designed anyway.
>>16472078Tesla basically owns LG and Panasonic's battery divisions at this point, Panasonic even shares production space at Giga Nevada
>>16472107>>16472109Interesting.
>>16472111get back to work Elon
Elon Musk@elonmusk·2hBecoming multiplanetary will greatly increase the lifespan of our civilization and it is the critical next step to becoming multistellar
>>16472116Based kardashev scale worshipper
Multistellar is a gay meme. Focus on colonizing our system first
>>16472116There is an argument to be made that going interstellar is dangerous and unnecessary, as distance will cause cultural/genetic drift and your offspring can come back and kick your ass. And indeed with full utilization of the solar system humanity can support immense populations for over 2 billion years
>>16472119Colonizing our system is a gay meme. Focus on colonizing Earth firstMEGA
>>16472120>your offspring can come back and kick your assI'm still holding out hope that the previous civilization comes back to do this soon.
>>16472120or a billion times more resource using populations for 2 years
>>16472112!!
>>16472122>What the fuck happened to Venus?
Tethered flying ship colonies on venus when
>>16472120if theyre human and they win, good?
>>16472120How many more dead star systems could you twist into a form that serves humanity, for the cost of an interstellar war? It is not likely
>>16472126Never. No flooooating cities either. Why? NO METALS, that's why.
>>16472120If we can do it, someone else can do it, and probably did it first. If the survival of humanity and the biosphere of Earth is a priority, we need a lot more than one star.
>>16472095they're not going to build this at all, it's a concept that will never actually be built, you'll see a half-assed mockup at best.
>>16472129>how many more factories could you build to serve humanity, for the cost of a single world war? It is not likely
Starship of the future
>>16472130tons of metal on venus surface, same as every other planetJust need to keep electronics cooled which is a trivial issue
>>16472134why is she stupid?
>>16472133Although I do concur, it still fascinates me the idea of changing the rocket fuel when the tried and tested design seems to use something different.
>>16472136How do you keep electronics cool on venus?
>>16472138i mean, i agree, it's just that talking about amur feels like fantasizing about the effectiveness of some battletech mech design and it's technical details when it's completely fictional.unless russia somehow unfucks itself in the next 5 years and steals more german scientists through a time portal i don't see them building this, let alone at scale, as others have pointed out they've had enough trouble getting angara working as is.
>>16472139magic
>>16472137because it's cute!
>>16472139just plug the refrigerator in. make sure your inverter can handle the startup surge of the compressor motor, wouldn't want to blow a fuse all the way out there.
>>16472149Aho!
It's super weird that the brain works fine in space
>>16472149fair point, cats are absolute fucking morons and they're cute as well.
>>16472149>retardedyikes, that's hecking problematic ableist bigoted language, and is just totally gross honestly, do better shitlord
>>16472150How do you keep the refrigerator from melting?
>>16472156stop making fun of me, i say this unironically and it's not fun to joke about that stop it.
>>16472157another refrigerator, obviously.
>>16472160Why not just put venus in a fridge at that point?
please stop posting all these anime girls. my pp hard
>>16472161that's the logical endpoint.just stuff the entire planet in a Miele refridgerator.
>>16472161but then the atmosphere freezes out and I can't have retarded floating cities
>>16472162the artist for >>16472155 is namako daibakuhatsu also known as takorin
>>16472139Cool Venus.
>>16472166flood the atmosphere with silicate particles before freezing it, turning the entire atmosphere into a frozen aerogel that can keep suspending your floating city.now you can have your memeballoons and access to the surface, best of both worlds.
Ten years ago today.
>>16472157use a special space refrigerator, but this idea has merit >>16472160. The Matroyshkooler concept is currently in the theoretical stage of development
>>16472139you pump cool water down from the habitat, it boils, goes back up on its own, etc
>>16472134This is true though. The world wars were a lesson we had to learn, but we learned it. Innovation and industrialization is the way forward, and capturing more farmland is as antiquated as the musket. Also, the people that inhabit the stars will be the descendants of Mars. The elon of Epsilon Eridani would not make the same decisions as the chancellor of Germany
>>16472178fuckfuckfuck
>>16472179The problem is people can become so disconnected both genetically and ideologically that they would think nothing of hitting your shit with planet killers or building grey goo or other horrific shit. Its safer to just build tall in one solar system.
The people voted for major government reform
>>16472160This is basically how we cool things down to cryogenic temperatures now is it not? 2 or so heat pumps in series. If it can go from 70f to -350f no reason it can’t go from venus temps to just cool enough for your electronics to function.
How long until we get an anime where LITERALLY ME gets stuck on Mars with half a dozen cute girls?
>>16471794got preggers from space sex and had an abortion
>>16472183>grey goo
>>16472191When we've reach the point of interstellar colonization then all sorts of wacky shit can happen. Thinking otherwise is cope.
>>16472135why dont theymake the end more bulbous? surely that would reduce peak heating on the nose as well as give more payload space.
>>16472185That sounds like cap. The majorities in senate and house look to be slim.
>>16472192le magic disassembler nanobots ain't happening
>>16472199Fine then relativistic missiles or rocks. There is little benefit to leaving the solar system.
>>16472199is this art a meme or something?
>>16472201>There is little benefit to leaving the solar system.Fine, you can stay behind like a loser if that's what (you) want.
>MUH INTERSTELLLARRRRR!!!!!>MUH SHUUTTTLLLEEEEE!!!!>MUH REELLLAATTIIVITYYYYY!!!!
>>16472201>relativistic missiles or rocksthey only damage planets, which no one important will live on anyway
>>16472206What do you think makes oneill cylinders unmissileable?
Bring back cool non-goofy IVA suits looking at you SpaceX/Boing
>>16472211>using a RKV to destroy a few habitats out of a swarm of millions if you insist but store up on sunblock for the response
>>16472214pic unrelated, I assume?spacex suits are the sleekest iva suits have ever looked but your 4chan contrarianism and hatred for marvel movies has blinded you to this fact.
>>16472041What's the name of the vehicle this is meant for?
>>16470959>but when Russia says it will do something it generally does itanon, please, stop, my sides can't take any more of this
>>16471868France exports the power their nuclear plants generate and this is with basically no upkeep performed on them for 20 years (which as you can imagine has had a lot of negative impacts)
>>16472223Nova I guess
>>16472227Stfu
>>16472230why?
>>16472107I think it's a patent issue as the battery companies had so many already filed
>>16472227No you stop
>>16472227I have a distinct feeling that the full pic is sexual.what is the source?
>>16472120The "other" that comes back isn't any more an "other" than the "you" that stays. They both have the same relationship to you, the individual poster. You have just arbitrarily chosen one to identify with because it's in the same location as you.
>>16472183The point though is that we live in a 3d universe, so if you assume a linear rate per star system of base>colony>civilization then we'll expand through the galaxy at a cubic rate. By the time the earth is in danger there will be a cylinder civilization spanning the Pleiades, using the unformed planetary matter and energy from their 17 blue suns to support a quadrillion people. Who cares what happens to Earth after that?
>>16472259>we won't be attacked because they can just expand outwardswhat a naive assumption. Why bother building new colonies when you can conquer existing ones?
>>16472259Its just the old adage keep your friends close and enemies closer, when if your colonists from 200 years ago suddenly decide you are evil and shoot rocks at you there isn't much you can do to prevent it or see it coming.
>>16472239Youre spamming
>>16471951Kek cope and seethe
>another rocket blows up due to incompetence>XAXAXA west pig is cocking and setting now!
>>16472262Because it's cheaper and easier and less destructive. There's a reason Elon is looking on to Mars instead of back towards South Africa. These will be a people whose ancestors embarked towards an uncertain frontier across several generations. Why would they look back? >>16472265There is no reason to do that though. You don't just randomly ape out about some people 61725568183108 miles away.
>>16472270Remember Nauka and its metal shavings, then when it finally launched it started boosting the station uncontrollably?Russia has a major brain drain problem and no matter how much you reply with "cope and seethe" that won't change.
>>16472280Reminder that their "proof" was a greentext.Kremlinbots are grasping at straws.
>>16472178more? this is too hot
>>16472266that's not me, you're delusional.
>>16472270>retard sees something that angers him>c-cope and seethelol
>>16472107>Panasonic produces batteries in the gigafactory for exampleThat's only for the Nevada factory. The Texas 4680 cells are all made by tesla
>>16472287namako daibakuhatsu on gelbooru
Propellant
/sfg/ is horny
/sfg/ - Space Fucking General
>>16472296the propellant is stored in the balls?
>>16472295>futa>oversized breastslaaaaaaame
>>16472270just because leftists keep trying to use russia as a scapegoat for some of their own fuckups doesn't suddenly stop it from being a decayed shithole, anon, you don't have to defend them like some contrarian retard. literally the only rocket they've got functional at a good cadence and reliability is the one that they've kept upgrading and launching since 1950, innovation or new industry might as well be their fucking cryptonite, 90's absolutely destroyed what was left of their fractured successor state and this new bullshit they got themselves into pretty much undid all the progress they made since.
>>16472295>>16472297>>16472305>>16472301kyssssss
yeah most of his stuff isn't for me either, but there's some real gems in there.
>>16472280Problems like that are more due to lack of funding than any loss of institutional skill. Things like Nauka and Orel aren't seen as priorities in Moscow so they get the same kind of under-funding Starliner got, just without the chance of making up the difference on a cost-plus budget (and some of what they do get is stolen because no one above cares to keep an eye on things) which produces to a lot of the same technical issues that Beoing's been dragged for lately. That's not to say that the Russia space sector isn't suffering from brain drain, it's just that the lack of official patronage means that younger engineering talent is choosing to work in other fields that will pay them better. Russia's new drone systems and theater ballistic missiles are showing the exact opposite of memetic Russian technical incompetence.
>>16472307french kyss rocket girls.
>>16472301im fully erect for her
>>16472310>russia's new drone systemsnothing noteworthy here, they just had to shoot one of their big "stealth" drones down a little while ago because it was malfunctioning.>theater ballistic missilesthe only one of note you could mention here is khinzal and even that one's been intercepted multiple times, it's just the 2nd stage of a conventional ballistic missile strapped to a jet, literally nothing new about it. not a bad weapon just again, not a good example of the innovation you're claiming.russia can produce 90's-2000's era stuff in small numbers in most technological fields (i don't mean military in particular, rocketry as well). their institutional rot and brain drain play a much bigger role in their lack of advancements than you claim in my opinion
>>16472310>under-funding Starliner gotStopped reading right there.
>>16472310this feels like all the exact same excuses that europeans bring up all the time, stop it.
>>16472315I'd like to "catch" starship with my "launch tower"
Throw all rocket gooners underneath IFT-6
>>16472320What did you mean by this?
>>16472325>looking up under booster-chan's skirtthat's EXACTLY what they want
>>16472310Roscosmos would actually be able to do the things they say they want to with a quarter the funding that Starliner got.
>>16472325my body is ready
>>16472328Sex. I meant sex. That was an euphemism for sex. With rocketgirls. Sex. I want to fuck rockets. Using sex. Are we clear?
>>16472316That's the thing. They're not producing missiles in small numbers. They're churning out so many Iskanders right now they can afford to fire them off against relatively low value targets. Those sectors of their economy aren't showing any signs of the rot that everyone in the west assumes has to be there just because it's Russian. I wouldn't put Russia at the forefront of technical innovation but Russian braindrain is a meme that doesn't match the facts on the ground. >>16472319It's a similar set of problems. Both Russia and Europe have difficulty getting good talent into the space industry because it's an objectively terrible career choice, but they get enough to have a core of capable and dedicated engineers that aren't geriatric Soviet relics. Then Europe smothers it's programs under unlimited bureaucracy while the Russians have their budget stolen by omnipresent corruption.
>>16472335eh? sex with clear?
>>16472336>They're churning out so many Iskanders right now they can afford to fire them off against relatively low value targetsWhich is why they are importing ammunition from Iran, North Korea and China now.
spess
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1856424581948682324
>>16472337https://youtu.be/QaYLecBZ-OA?t=1494the way she sperged out when the rocket was caught was so cute. Musk should impregnate her already to give birth to the next generation of space autists
>>16472343
>>16472345
>>16472243zigger>>16472250no and the artist deleted themself
>>16472346
>>16472348>themselftranny? many such cases
>>16472306I've always said that post-90s Moscow is merely Weekend at Berniesing the corpse of the Soviet space program
>>16472344This. A trillion times THIS
>>16472352no I just don't remember who the fuck drew it
>>16472346Why are they allowed to do this with impunity? ULA would never risk this
>>16472354Did you forget the part where if it were not for SpaceX we would still be riding Soyuz because boing are a failed company and that the chances of that happening and America being an embarrassment were pretty high. Russia is backwards but damn if we do not try to self sabotage and meet them.
>>16472358its a banana for scale? get it? hahahahahaha
>>16472336they're not, that's fanfiction, iskander attacks slowed to a crawl like 2 months after this hotness started, haven't seen a change since.
>>16472359yeah I sure am glad that Elon exposed the lie and put the corpse to rest and now we can finally exterminate them
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1856434580972286127>GS-1 meets GS-2 >We’ve mated #NewGlenn’s first and second stages.its happening
>>16472365https://x.com/davill/status/1856436665788854463>So great to see! Another photo here of #NewGlenn’s two BE-3U engines right before integration. In the vacuum of space, the BE-3U’s nozzles release hydrogen-rich steam at speeds of roughly 10,000 mph. These vacuum nozzles are a big, 114.5 inches long.
>>16471072Someone break the tie between Earth and Jupiter!
>>16472360where do they come up with this stuff
>>16472344>sheanon...
Why do autists obsess over this ball of farts?
>>16472369>he suffers from TDSI'm so sorry for your family and friends
>>16471759People keep underestimating autism because it's usually stymied by the fact that any given autist has fairly few resources at their disposal. Elon, however, is autistic with the total wealth of a mid-size country. This is a fun chart to compare him against:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealthHe's on track to be richer than Vietnam or the Philippines by the end of the 2020s on a middle-of-the-road projection. Not long after that he could leave his native South Africa in the dust and thus be wealthier than any single country in all of Africa. By the end of the 2030s he may very well qualify to be in the top 20 if he were a country. He could individually command greater resources than Mexico, Brazil, or Russia.
>>16472365>tactical blur on the fore dome and what I assume is a vent shaftall right, keep your secrets
>>16472370you wouldnt get it.it has everything, unlimited hydrocarbon reserves. a THICC atmosphere, tidal heating from Saturn and abundant metalic deposits, probably more than Earth even.All in all, Titan is a real dynamo
>>16472370elon is the only autist you need to care about and he doesn't give a single shit about that useless pissball
>>16472365>>16472366New Glenn will never see high cadence. Starship is going to rapidly climb to 99.9+% yearly upmass before NG has even launched ten times, and Bezos will finally see the light of day. He'll yield to sentiment as he sees his elderly years approaching, and re-configure BO to payload, habitation, and colony support technology in order to complement Spacex rather than compete with it.
I think the metaltard is stupid and needs to understand that most structures and products will be made of imported Urf materials and not ISRU made.
>>16472360>zoomers too young to know PBJT
>>16472384you know on a related note, I met a zoomer who didnt know about Achmed the dead terrorist. didnt get a "silence, I kill you!" reference. that was the shitthe world is changing
>>16472386stop reminding me anon
>>16472365>>16472366Why did they go with fins instead of grid fins? What are the advantages?
>>16471777You do realize that NASA and any other Space agency also do those things. Just look at Havoc, or Project Orion or your favourite failed project of choice.
>>16472386>silence, I kill you!I have a shirt with that and the skullI didn't even think it meant anything until my uncle commented on itkind odd that it managed to get all the way to eastern europe...
>>16472383I don't give a rats ass about Titan and even I know that ISRU is the only way to go for serious colony endeavors. The Moon and hopefully one day Mercury will be manufacturing powerhouses. Airless and lifeless worlds home to totally unfettered industry, with easy orbital transfers to the rest of the solar system.
>>16472395Eewwww its a slavshit
>>16472394yes, everyone knows that. The difference is that Russians do ONLY that. Memeprojects are the easiest way to embezzle money after all.
JPL layoffs btw lol lmao
>>16472391less fine control but better authority at high pitch angle. new glenn will have multiple times the cross range of falcon 9 or starship due to its strakes
>>16472397might be even worse. he may be, may God forgive me for uttering this word, a hungarian
>>16472402no I'm not a slav(e) and by god not a hungarian. I'm suffering every day because my tiny irrelevant country will never do anything of note in space and I'm too retarded to become musk 2.0
>>16471371dock, ullage thrusters, pump fuel. it's LITERALLY that easy>but reddit saysThey are morons.
>>16472406moldova?
>>16472406Why are you so cryptic? Just say where you're from. No normal person says "I'm from Northwest Europe" or "South Asia", they just mention their country.
>>16472399Wow thats a lot of people doing nothing over at JPL
>>16472399Trump effect
>>16472366
>>16472377>abundant metalic depositslink evidence of this
>>16472413>drumpf cut these jobs at jpl 8v&oe hes not even in office yetYou shills are so transparent. Cant wait for artemis funding to increase and you all will cry when NASA stays woke.
>>16472409>>16472410I'm not being cryptic, my shithole(Lithuania) is just too irrelevant to mention and most Americans probably don't even know where it is.Our greatest space related achievement is launching some retarded 1kg satellite a decade ago. I can only hope that Musk succeeds and launch prices become so cheap that we can start making probes or something.
>>16472386I'm 30 I don't get that reference
>>16472365I'm already betting it's gonna fail and they will have to spend another 2-3 years rebuilding and figuring out the failure points.
>>16472424you dont remember the west in the 2000s then
>>16472427NOPE THEY INTEND ORBIT + REUSE ON FIRST LAUNCH :)slowandsteady
>>16472365>>16472366>hotfire the booster with the second stage attachedBlue will be extra fucked if something goes wrong.
>>16472304of course
>>16472343Will flap burn-through roast the banana???
>>16472416It's in the "resources" channel on the discord.
>>16472458all I see are guides on diy estrogen. You're talking about the /sfg/ discord right?
>>16472419what in the actual fuck
>>16472419Rope now
So? Earth or Jupiter? 1.5 hours left...
>>16472472>>16472475what was it? i missed : (
>>16472478link me, I had it open in another tab but it 404d
>>16472481I missed it too, but these anons:>>16472472>>16472475pretending to be offended, but absolutely saved it
Why did that even get deleted it was tame as fuck. Jannies are truly tranny faggots.
>>16472486>>16472481Learn to use the archives stupid newfag tourists
>>16472483You too
Please use "crewed" instead of "manned" otherwise you're a bigot.
>>16472493No.
>>16472491dont need the slow ass archive. found it in the previous thread>>16472493I say both
>>16472493“personed”
Manned.BC. AD.Christ is king.Seethe and cope, kikes.
>>16472493>you're a bigot.
>>16472497>>>/pol/
>>16472497Musk is an atheist...
Its just the space shuttle you faggots, its relevant to this thread
>>16472383>most structures and products will be made of imported Urf materialsThis is only realistic for a base.
>>16472399Preparing for Elon lmao
>>16472478why do tranny jannies delete anything mentioning t*ump but allow this ip grabber?
>>16472501Kys
>>16472370They're so afraid of vacuum or vacuum-adjacent atmospheres that they go all-in on Titan's thick yet freezing cold climate.
>>16472424I think it's a Team America thing
>>16472501fuck off Noa
What faggot voted for Earth again. Please don't let them draw.
>>16472531>Earth: Sol system: >:|>Earth: Alpha Centauri: :0
>>16472531you know that the vast majority of anons in this general are from earth, right?
>They are subtardedhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856349507337716202
>>16472531Earth is great you nignog
>>16472538You're right, I wish we had 2 or 3 more in this system.
>>16472537Total journo death
>>16472497Computer piloted, but the computer is an anthropomorphized female who has to be naked to pilot the spacecraft because
>>16472497based... so based...
>>16472365yuge
>>16472500So what? If you remove one religion, another one will take its place.
>>16472554>Coordinates locked in, charting a course to the galactic leyline
>>16472058>>16472060>>16472056>>16472046>>16472041Stoke is aiming to be a medium launcher company, somewhere in the 80% Falcon 9 niche for a much lower operating cost, not compete with SpaceX, as that's empirically impossible to overcome. Their only real competition in the market are Rocket Lab, who're behind on reusability and methalOx and Relativity, who are behind on reusability and methalOx as well. Technically there's Firefly, but I don't recall them working on a medium to medium-heavy lift vehicle and Stoke is a combination of ex-SpaceX and ex-BlOrgin. They seem to have the capital to take it a little bit slower, because all their competition is going to be slow too. My best guess is that they're making the assumption that as SpaceX moves into Starship territory, and focus the majority of their resources on the Moon and Mars, that will create a significant vacuum in the LEO space as Falcon 9 is staggered retired. As long as they can beat RocketLab and Relativity to the market with their FFSC architecture, they win, and thus don't have as much a threat to optimize.Lastly, and most importantly, they have the benefit of hiding in SpaceX's shadow, as the biggest player will take all the heat in the market and with Elon becoming a Trump admin attache for all things aerospace and electrification (primarily), they also can bank on policy changes that gives them MUCH more flexibility in what they do next.
>>16472116>>16472120>humanity moves towards Pushing Ice timeline>mfw
>>16472567delet this before the canadarm fags see
>>16472574Grappler-variant Starship when Elong
>>16472570Stokes rocket will only be a small lift vehicle with second stage reuse.
>>16472135why aren't round tipped rockets a thing? I guess its not aerodynamic but it should hold pressure the best. Maybe tanker/depot starship could be the first because the payload is fuel?
>>16472570It will be very interesting to see if the stoke design proves to be better than tiles. they are dealing with hydrogen on the second stage which will naturallyincease consts, but they dont have to replace tiles so maybe its worth it.
>>16471599you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
>>16472570>>16472593I see it as a human rated astronaut shuttle eventually. Its a perfect size for that, not for mass cargo, and once it can land reliably, it can land anywhere, because of the legs. No more ocean drops, with gay parachutes, finally. It can land quite far from its launch site too, anywhere with a parking lot should be able to host a landing, doesn't have to be where it launches from.
>>16472538e*rth is and forever will be the only planet with inhabitants who will try to claw you back down the gravity well like the crabs they are
>>16472570>Not competingIf SpaceX gets their costs low enough, all launch segments are competing with SpaceX.
>>16472600crab mentality is the great filter
>>16472600Nah, Martians will be saying 'Why go to Tau Ceti when we haven't developed Argyre fully!?' in due course
>>16472413>JPL has supposed to have had roughly 5,000 employees since 2000 or so. They also had some layoffs in what, february?
>>16472615>just deciding how many employees an organization should haveI hate the government so much it's unreal >>16472612Martians will exclusively be the blood of people who didn't think that. The Mars Exodus will be the single greatest instance of eugenics the species has ever seen, and it'll be done on accident. The very second Mars has the industrial capacity to spare for the next big leap, they'll begin working towards it
Unironic Venusfags, Mercuryfags and Neptunefags explain yourselves.
>>16472621Venus is cool and deserves a lot more dedicated geology, geochem, and geophysics missions.The Neptune system is cool and needs a dedicated mission. At the very least Triton is fascinating.Mercury is GAY and will be mined to the core God willing.
Reminder the Great Elon Musk will cut the regulations and inefficiencies at FAA and FCC. Total spacex /Starlink domination
>>16472621I don't know about the other two but Mercury is based. Unlimited energy, unlimited resources, easy transport to anywhere else but almost unapproachable. Ideal techno-theocracy site.
>>16472621moving terminator society on Mercury sounds cool
>>16472621>MercuryfagsLots of rock, lots of solar power. Go deep enough and it's a reasonable temperature. If it's possible to live comfortably on Mars then it's possible to survive on Mercury, and build while you're there. A solar satellite constellation stellaser could be useful for the first stage of an interstellar vessel, a method of removing unpleasant atmospheres, or a way of getting enormous amounts of energy to the outer solar system. >Venusfags1g is hard to ignore. While it would be a project comparable in time and scope to a cathedral, there are ways to nudge Venus towards a slightly more pleasant state. Mars is great, but Venus could be a paradise. >Neptune Very cold. If you can get power there you can use it as a heat sink for a server the size of a planet. This post has been brought to you by Isaac Arthur™"wormholes might be useful here">>16472624Oh you meant like probes
Nobody is ready
>>16472625>Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to head new government department>Elon Musk and former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy have been tasked with leading a new Department of Government Efficiency by Donald Trump>"Together, these two wonderful Americans will pave the way for my Administration to dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure Federal Agencies - Essential to the 'Save America' Movement," Trump said in a statement.DOGE is officially a thing now.
>>16472632>it's realHoly fuck I'm cumming
>>16472634Does anyone have a source that isn't a repost of this jpeg, either from Trump's social media accounts or something else that is actually run by his team?
>>16472631>"wormholes might be useful here"Open one 1km off the surface of Mars with the other end 1km off the surface of Venus and just leave it open for a bit. Two birds one wormhole.
>>16472493>you're a bigotYes
Congratulations to JPL on the mass savings!
>>16472638This is the context of the quote. Maybe 2 minutes into his terraforming Mars video.
>>16472632My body has been ready
>>16472632>>16472633>shitposts are correcting the wrong's of the earthI'm in tears
>>16472641kek
>>16472632based timeline
>>16472644/sfg/ is the most powerful general, our shitposts shape national policy.
>>16472632Hilarious that this was memed into existence by money and pure willpower. Elon plays real life factorio/civ sometimes.Even funnier if this is what kills SLS
>>16472632yep, it's realhttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-will-lead-department-government-efficiency-2024-11-13/https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-says-elon-musk-will-lead-department-government-efficiency-vivek-rcna179899https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-new-department-of-government-efficiency/
>>16472636No, but Musk and Vivek are both treating it as real.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856481898685423705>Something wrong with this chart, but I can’t quite figure it out
>>16472652>still sucks
>>16472632This is fake as shit no source link = no grounds in reality
>>16472139just remove the atmosphere
>>16472632next edition should be The Great Elon Musk
>>16472656https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856502787930050927
>>16472632the Great Elon Musk
>>16472652kek
>>16472659Kys its krystal
>>16472632Im still skeptical and meaningful change can be made to the beast system, but I heard that jeet talk about how it could be done and it seems like there is a lot of legal framework ready to go to rip shit apart. Let's see what happens. The tears of a million fired parasites will be a beautiful sight if it happens.
>>16472656its already been confirmed by the major news agencies
>>16472658>>16472660We're well on track to "Elon" actually becoming a political official title on Mars. Wernher received some kind of prophetic vision.
>>16472651>>16472656Anons, I...https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/12/trump-appoints-elon-musk-government-efficiency-departmenthttps://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-department-of-government-efficiency-trump/index.htmlhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-lead-trumps-department-government-efficiencyhttps://thehill.com/policy/4987402-trump-musk-advisory-group-spending/
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856346403729027381Rocket launches go BRRRRRRRRRRR. 50 days to go
BROS IF ELON ACTUALLY LANDS SHIT ON MARS IN TRUMPS TERM HE CAN GET GOOD WILL TO GET THE GO AHEAD FOR A SPACEX RULED MARS COLONY
>>16472664Vivek is (probably) a CIA asset, so I assume he's there to safeguard glowie funding sources while Elon goes nuts on everything else.
>>16472671is there anything, besides billions of dollars, really stopping anyone from just, yknow, having a colony on mars?
>>16472632>Their work will conclude no later than July 4, 2026A bit too quick for a supposed downsizing in this scale. I know it's for symbolic reasons but I have doubts.
>>16472671>trumps final act is to sign into law land titles on Mars for specific goals met like how they did it with the transcontinental railwayMAKEITSO
>>16472632THE GREATELONMUSK
>>16472652huhguess electrons found some small sat constellation customers
>>16472671>SPACEX RULED COLONYkeep dreaming, the US and other countries will want their part. Musk has to keep acting as a good boy for a couple more decades, and once the Martian Republic becomes self-sufficient, glass the shit out of urf.
>>16472671Get a friendly FAA/Fish and Wild Life and some other beurocrats and we can get this done. Mars 2026 cargo mission can actually happen since SpaceX is really close already. All they need now is in orbit refueling and Starship "feature complete" as is. There can be more optimizations like better engines, better refuel, better landing ship/catching booster, better precision, more reliability, but those are extras. Once refueling is done, they can launch to Mars if congress directs NASA to get a Mars 2026 mission for Starship as experimental procurement for $250 million dollar project.
>>16472632Uhm... SLS bros?
>>16472632plover bros, I don't feel so good...
>>16472668I firmly believe this anon.
>>16472689>can launch to Mars if congress directs NASA to get a Mars 2026 missionthat's not even necessary, starlink alone could pay for this mission. as long as there is no federal agency blocking their way, then they will do it.
>>16472689How the hell is Starship going to slow down enough to land on Mars? One long suicide burn? Previous landers have relied on parachutes and airbags, and skycranes as of late.
>>16472694>that's not even necessaryYeah, but Trump would want NASA in on it, if only as an observer entity and claim "American government". A quick and cheap $250m to launch cargo to Mars and test out the viability "study" contract could be signed where NASA learns from SpaceX. Just like how some of the Airforce contract is studying how Starship system can do point 2 point.
>>16472689The current tiles are not up to the job of mars re entry and some dumb cunt fired a whole bunch of the really good tile lab guys who were always massively undersupplied and with shit lab gear to boot, crazy for their importance to starship.t. Knower
>>16472695Martian starship will be a completely different vehicle from the earth one. it will require gigantic header tanks. will probably look like a hammer head shark
>>16472695There's still enough atmosphere to use it for braking
>>16472695Bruh.... Have you just come out of a 8 year coma? How do you not know how Starship slows down? Starship uses atmosphere to slow down, the heatshield protects the ship from heating up as the atmospheric particles hit the ship as it slowdown. Then the bellyflop happens where they reduce the speed from couple thousand of kph to terminal velocity ~1000 kph on mars and ~350 kph on earth. And then finally they do the landing burns on the last 1000 kph.
FYI they also need a whole new path of tile technology. What is being used at the moment cannot be made to work. Funnily enough blue origin has made strides in this field.
guys i think davenport is showing early signs of EDS
this is now canon
>>16472699I don't think there is, based on thousands of landings in KSP>>16472701>How do you not know how Starship slows down?Nobody has tried to slow down a Starship at Mars, that's how.
>>16472705I read this as actually pretty neutral and innocuous
>>16472632>The Great Elon MuskKNEEL
>>16472701>Starship uses atmosphere to slow down,>Atmosphere>MarsNobody tell him, this is funny
>>16472709i am still kneeling from the 6th but i will continue to kneel.
>>16472707>Nobody has tried to slow down a Starship at Mars, that's how.Hello? This is basic inference. Physics is same regardless of whether its on Mars or Earth. Its the reason why Starship is in talks of landing on the Moon, even though Starship hasn't been to the orbit, or landed on the Moon. The physics is well understood.
>>16472715I'm sure there won't be any issue the very first time trying to land a skyscraper-sized vehicle on a planet that's eaten a third of the spacecraft ever sent to it. It'll be fine.
>>16472716Irrelevant. If there's one problem, send the next batch in.
>>16472716holly shit youre actually retarded this is incredible
>>16472716Concerned troll
>>16472707Mars is only 36% of Earth's gravity, this means that the ship is an SSTO on the red planet. Though the atmosphere only has 1% of the density, this does mean that its reentry profile will be much longer on its descent, giving it the maximum amount of time to aerobrake until it enters a proper belly flop maneuver. At point which, 3 sea level raptors would ignite and due to the gravity differences, would actually radically slow down the ship quickly until it cuts back down to 1 engine. And again due to the gravity differences, that single engine can actually burn for much longer because it doesn't have to fight nearly 3x the gravity difference during landing. This gives it the most amount of flexibility during landing to ensure that it touches down without any issue.
>>16472722See, this is a proper response. Thank you anon, you are well informed and I respect you for sharing your knowledge.>>16472717You're probably the most correct, always leave room for unforeseen errors.>>16472721>>16472719You are fags.
>>16472716you must be trolling, but for any other anon worried about it: the plan would be to stagger the ships so that they arrive weeks/days apart. Once one of them (attempts to) lands, they would collect all the possible data, adjust software and landing profile, and then try again until you run out of starships in that launch window. Unless they realize that they require a major hardware change, they will most probably get a good model, and will be confident for a manned trip in the next window (or the next one after that, just in case).
>>16472725>Staggered launchThats very possible and probably a good cautionary strategy. In flight software update would be something.
>>16472725that is a hilarious mental image. imagine being a starship watching mars get closer, and you just keep getting successive software updates at the same cadence that you watched your sister ships launch months ago
the end of an era
>>16472729>staff from its DEI office would be absorbed into another human resources team They're still around, not so visible now though.
>>16472725>>you must be trolling>lays out strategy to mitigate very potential loss of vehicles in order to gather dataWhy would it be trolling? This is by your own admission a legitimate concern worth strategizing around.>>16472733Keyword "Bridge"
>>16472729Boeing MIGHT continue existing
>>16472725>major hardware changeThis is the big IF here. Such a scenario would basically all but confirm that their plans will be delayed by 26 months, so that they can try again with the updated vehicle in the next window. They will at least get valuable data with the first batch, so that's something.>>16472728Software engineers over at spacex would be in a race against the clock to review and update everything they can. If they aren't fast enough, they could lose the entire vehicle, and potentially delaying everything by 2 years. Talk about pressure.>>16472735It seemed like concern trolling at first glance. Anyways, have a rare Zubrin anon :)
>>16472026>5 Starship launches is more than that entire graph
>>16472746He's so young, but I can see the old man that I recognize in that face. I wish I had more than 2 photos of my father when he was a boy.
>>16472711yeah dumbass, terminal velocity is several times higher than Earth but you can capture a reasonable amount of dv
>>16472632>Great Elon Musk>GEMApartheid Gemerald
>>16472632so is doge an NGO?
EVERYONE has FAA horror stories. God just imagine the shit that can be done with those fuckers gone. Elon LITERALLY just got appointed to do exactly that. And people were saying that Trump and Musk would be infighting by the end of the week.
We’re going to win so much you may even get tired of winninghttps://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1856522880143745133
>>16472747Holy shit.
Bridenstack bros…https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1856522880143745133?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ
>>16472760Holy shit. (x2)
>>1647276050/50 bros I kneel
>>16472758It's going to be real nice lording over the anons who spent the last 4 years angrily shouting down any implication that the FAA might be intentionally slowing things down. Fucking told 'em so.>>16472760>>16472762webm-related needs a "you died" edit
>>16472760>>16472762
>>16472760This one is up to the senate, which has its share of piece of shit republican cocksucking rino traitors. I'm not optimistic on this.
>>16472758I said maybe!!!! I wasn't concern trolling, I was starting a discussion!!! That's what we're here for!! Discussion!
>>16472760HAHAHAHAHAH we gaaaan
>>164727602024 was a 50/50 from every known pollster and look which way it went. im betting it goes our way again, its fucking time for that shit rocket to die. IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER, cancel SLS and give ALL that money to Starship, clear everything out of the way of SpaceX and let them go to fucking work.
>SLS getting cancelledI await for the explosive seething from that spaceguy5 fuckwit who "works" there. He might just kill himself. The future is going to be amazing bros.
>>16472760I WILL CUM. I WILL BLAST ALL OVER MY KEYBOARD. I CANT HANDLE THIS COCK TEASING. FUCK
>>16472632>>16472760
>>16472774ok but also give funding to trident, they didnt deserve to lose discovery 15/16 to some faggy venus missions
>>16472760gateway and orion next, pls elon mustard
>>16472760So… what can bring Orion to cislunar orbit? Is an expendable new Glenn enough?
>>16472760OMG. What was thought to be impossible is now probable. In just a week. If Elon can pull this off he deserve to be called the Great.
>>16472783What if you put Orion on Falcon Heavy?>inb4 "they'll never crew-rate FH"Right right but let's say they do for the sake of argument. Does it fulfil the requirements?
>>16472760>>16472632I'm gonna cum
my pp hard. next edition must be cancel sls edition
Hype aside, DOGE is the most promising aspect of Trump's second term. If he and his administration can pull this off, it'd be great.
what the FUCK is happening bros
>>16472760Why even get Orion to the Moon? Send 'em up in a Dragon and rendezvous with HLS in LEO.
>>16472760>There are other ways to get Orion to the Moon.Such as?
>>16472782Gateway difficult because international partners, that will be tough. But Orion could well be on the block after independent investigators look at all the fucking issues with it. I believe Orion takes senate to cancel though, which is an issue. It's very possible we are just going to end up with an all-starship architecture that just goes and does its thing while gateway languishes in pork barrel multinational hell.
>>16472791This is the start of the "you might get tired of winning" phase
>>16472791we lucked out and got the best time line.
>>16472793an elongated falcon heavy>why does it have to be orion thoughexactly
>>16472793Expendable starship.
It would be nice if they unfucked this.
expendable fuck you
>>16472806Trump wants his photo op moment, no way he'll let this get fucked up.
>>16472806ENTERTHE UNFUCKENING
SOON
>>16472760Here we goI still hope A2 flies as planned tho, if only to get daytime SLS launch video.>>16472793Expendable starship with a small 3rd stage, or a refueled "trans lunar injection stage"
>>16472819>Expendable starship with a small 3rd stagepls no, don't even think about wasting time and resources on that.
new slosshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZTdBddKsI
next stage>>16472823>>16472823>>16472823>>16472823>>16472823
>>16472825>.Meh, stage with the SLS rumors, it's big.
>>16472729Just getting shuffled around and renamed
