Welcome to /2eg/, a thread dedicated to all things 2nd Edition D&D related - including settings, lore, modules, and derived systems (Alternity, Buck Rogers XXVc, For Gold and Glory, Hackmaster, Myth and Magic, and more).Since 2e draws heavily from earlier editions, older modules are welcome too. Other media derived from AD&D (such as Infinity Engine video games) also has a home here.It's what you play, not how you play it. RAW or homebrew, as long as your table is having fun, there's no wrong way to play.There's a surprisingly complete 2e fan wiki for rules stuff, it's excellent for quick reference:https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_2nd_Edition_Wikiad&d 2e archiveaHR0cHM6Ly93ZWIuYXJjaGl2ZS5vcmcvd2ViLzIwMjUwMjA0MTczNzUwL2h0dHBzOi8vdGhlLWV5ZS5ldS9wdWJsaWMvQm9va3MvcnBnLnJlbS51ei9EdW5nZW9ucyUyMCYlMjBEcmFnb25zL0FEJkQlMjAybmQlMjBFZGl0aW9uLw==Remember to keep things civil.Thread Question - why the 2e hate?
>>97816620>That post was made before this thread wasBullshit. Picrel.>I'm more than one person.Sure, fishfag. Sure.
>>97816095There's another retard in here who cannot into high numbers, so I win.
>>97817776lol okay, i guess
>>97807123>a different tone, some stuff removed because of the satanic panic, and some rule clean ups.There's small, distinct mechanical differences as well, gold for XP being the biggest and most important one.Still, the difference in tone is enough to make it separate. Same way that, say, 3.5 and d20 modern are different games even if you could use them both in the same campaign.
>>97816306fishfag didn't actually make this thread. I was unironically asking why 2e seemed to get so much hate in the osr thread (granted i didn't have all the context). And i am happy with the answers im getting to the question and how calm the thread actually is. That boomer thread getting highjacked was sad
I have found most systems for armor and defense unsatisfying.I find pure damage negation doesn't represent that armor doesn't just reflect but also reduces a lot of damage too, a hammer to the helmet won't just plink off its going to have some significant concussive effect, if less than against an unhelmeted head. But on the other end, armor as pure static damage reduction often doesn't illustrate the other end, that many attacks SHOULD simply be negated, a knife thrown at a breastplate won't just deal less damage, it will ping off harmlessly.And Barbarians of Lemuria, Specifically the Mythic version, I believe addresses both those concerns for me.This is done by a. health and damage being kept rather conservative and relatively equal, not becoming exponential as levels go up and b. armor being a die you roll for damage reduction rather than a static number. The range of damage that armor protects just so happens to align with the damage most weapons can do. damage being 1-6 + strength and armor protecting 0-5 damage. meaning that a low roll on most attacks and a high roll on most armor saves will have the armor totally negate attacks, while a high attack roll and a low armor roll will totally bypass armor, and a medium attack roll and a medium armor roll will deal reduced damage.This is all modified by the fact that 2 handed weapons you roll 2d6 and pick the highest damage, medium weapons you roll straight 1d6 and light weapons you roll 2d6 pick the lowest. And armor ranged from light reducing d6-3 damage (0-3 damage), medium reducing d6-2 damage (0-4 damage), and heavy reducing d6-1 damage (0-5 damage). This means a dagger has the potential to deal as much damage as a great axe if situation permits (like dagger to the eye slit), but is less likely too, and that light armor could fully protect you from a glancing blow like heavy armor, but is also less likely too.
>>97817261prowlers and paragons
>>97817394>durability acts somewhat like "temporary hit points"I liked that idea. That there is a collection of points that refrersh between engagements, and might be ignored by certain armor piercing/circumventing things high a high draw weight arbelest or a dagger to the armpit.
Static damage reduction is about right for how armor functions. Add in specific armor penetrating effects and you're good.
>>97817766you know that most armors dont cover every possible spot on the body and that no armors recieves tensions/ aka damage the same and from all angles in every location so obviously the amount of damage potentially absorbed from the armor ranges. a part of the armmo's dr should be fixed damage reduction and the rest based on a roll
>>97817766Depends. Proper plate armor typically negates all damage a hand held weapon could reasonably deal to it (yes also hammers, pole arms etc.) unless you hit a weakpoint, like going through an eye slit, between the plates in joints etc. Then there is almost not protection anymore. So having armor reducing the chance to hit is more like it.
Last second save editionPrevious >>97744170>Basics Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/GWjTU9Uv>Anon's Locals Survival Guidehttps://pastebin.com/xXp5jShL>Fanmade PC simhttps://pastebin.com/u6aKrBSg>Official Mobile sim (Release Date TBA)https://www.digimon-alysion.com/en/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97817546To quote the announcement>or token cards printed using the official downloads from this siteOf course there's still a problem with all the tokens that don't have official downloads, but you don't have to give Bandai or any sellers any more of your money. Just a print shop or library.Of course this whole post is pointless because YUGIOH PLAYERS CAN'T READ
>>97817573His point is that he wants Bandai to do official, printed releases of the various tokens with good pricing and without excessive scarcity. Reading comprehension is important, Sky Strikerbro.
>>97816156when they settle into the meta hybrid decks are not that bad but when they are cutting edge they are insufferable >>97815630yeah i have queued into this psychopathic pile a few times . I thought it was a yuuki waifu fag at first desu. Knowing it is from china makes sense their lack of emapthy makes for some impressive decks>>97816438lykamon whence >>97817020strong
>>97817612One of the worst parts about playing against hybrids is how often a security check helps them by getting a tamer they can use.
>>97817901hybrid tamers having alternate rules for summoning sickness would help for this
>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, SAGA, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97789298>be game>be so good you have a dedicated community >your owner ceases supporting you>community takes your rules and keeps them going, providing support and updates completely off if their own back>community's makes new supplements>new fleets>new ships>some time later an anally aggravated zoomer shrilly claims this means your a bad game because "hurr durr no official support"
>>97817808Zoomer are so strange, they hate corpos, but demand corpo only updates and support.Hate new slop, but refuse to engage in anything that isn't new.They are truly the most retarded generation and boomer exist. Both generation suck at technology and love sucking authoritarians cocks as long is their flavor of cock.
>>97813771>>97817186I don't want my dollars to be spent on genital mutilation.
>>97817873I got bad news for you anon. If your country is in the UN, your tax money will end helping some form of genital mutilation.
>>97764225>TQXwing If only they had started with the 2nd ed. model but without the Sephardic card thing and it wasn't given to fucks who tanked it on purpose
A thread for discussing the Star Wars franchise and its various media and tabletop games.Spectres minis edition>Adepticon roadmaps:https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2026-roadmap-star-wars-legion/https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2026-roadmap-star-wars-shatterpoint/Previous: >>97615500Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing, Armada, and Legion>https://pastebin.com/9puqx1zeStar Wars Roleplaying Games (d6/d20/FFG)>https://pastebin.com/iUriRfaAComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97816226Too many upgrades desuI'm pretty sure you could squeeze in more shore squads if you dropped:>LTAs from mortars>Mission objective from the strike squads>scopes from the shores>Duck and cover, environmental gear and emergency transponders from scouts>recon intel from deaths
>>97816267The only other empire player that runs a lot of tanks loans them off me so I'll try and stay safe their.>>97816349I mainly added upgrades because i couldn't add anything else, but i'll try and see if i can cut enough to fit in another mortar team.
>>97816358If you drop what he proposed you have 32 points. . .
>>97813482Except it isn't a private makret variant. It's a canon clone variant. Because Filoni's design team sucks balls.
You have a terminal illness, which SW character do you want to inform you?
Trying Too Hard Edition>Previous>>97788480>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldersComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97816957Thats why you just highlight text and control + s now youre censoring like a real NWO pencil pusher. Though nta i find it really funny how the Sabbat like constantly jerk off themselves for being the destroyers of the Antedilluvians they pretty much exclusively just make noise and do nothing rather than hunting down the actual threats to the world like the Camarilla Inner Circle, the Antedilluvians, or even Methuselahs who are all insane threats to their world view and life style instead just feeding like parasites on a carcass and attacking weak cammie cities or wartorn regions/3rd world nations
If the VtM to VtR2e conversion anon is aroundI couldn't find any mention of vampire fangs dealing lethal damage to other vampires in the text. Considering they are lethal in Requiem and Aggravated in V20, I'd imagine they stay lethal in the coversion, but without mention one could imagine this means they do bashing, as per the "only if it says lethal to vampires" ruleMeanwhile, level 2 Protean Claws say they do lethal, while level 4 specifies Lethal to vampires, so I imagine it's intentional that level 2 only does bashing to vampires.
>>97817011The Protean thing is intentional and a direct port from Requiem, 2 dots say the claws are "mundane" weapons, whereas 4 dot claws are specified to still deal lethal to vampires. Will add an "even to vampires" to the section on bites.
>>97816823Never, the union will make sure of that. and that's a good thing. Ivory Tower and Media Control are working overtime to sanitize this mess. Everyone was involved, even the Mad Convention. Why do you think Stephen Hawking was there?.
>>97817518Whatever this is, it beats getting asked trivia[/spoiler] for the 1st in the captcha. Anyway shame it's slow around here on holidays. The whole idea about the technocracy getting involved with epstein island? Nu-Wolf would never do that but honestly it's quite a fun bit for a campaign
With how much the board is overly critical of D&D, I figured it would be interesting to find out what system /tg/ likes running?
>>97815839>>97817644Lastly I wish there was more incentive to actually make specific spells, like picking a set of action+modifier and giving it a flavor. signature spell isnt nearly enough. I do think spontaneous casting is fun too but I think itd be nice to have more concrete spells for characters, and yes I've seen systems that make you pay xp for spells and I hate them. It was one of my big issues with the force trees in star wars. Sure you certainly were getting an equivalent result for XP spent to the rest of the party but it felt like if you focused them that you were ignoring your skills and talents which reasonably should still be advancing as well.
>>97815348If you have to exclude the wealth of resources for D&D to prop up other games, then they're just not as easy to get into as D&D. Simple.
>>97815114You conceded awfully quick, did you realize you had no ground to stand on with your overgeneralizing statements?
>>97814470That's a lie, but go off man. You guys have an unexplainable vendetta against a game that you don't understand, despite it being so easy to get into.
>>97817857>Literally cannot describe their argument in any amount of detail>i AcCePt YoUr CoNcEsSiOnYou NPCs are all the fuckin' same.
How hard is it to create an interesting campaign without backstory? After reading the classic Sword and sorcery stories, I wanted to do something that didn't rely on backstory and was completely focused on the present. But how do you make it interesting?
>>97817618I like games that gloss over or ignore past events, because I like to get to the gameplay as soon as possible and play the game for the time agreed.But, if the game itself sucks, I won't be interested no matter what. I need gameplay that engages me; plenty of character options to choose from, plenty of ways to synergize with my own character's kit and those of the other party members. Plenty of varied enemy types and behaviors to encourage different combat tactics.If it's something like D&D or PbtA, where I need permission instead of being able to choose, I won't like it.
>>97817673>>97817677Yeah, but I have a feeling that someone will definitely complain that the story is too flat and boring.
>>97817618in medias res is a thing you know>>97817742>Your commander is dead, the only way your division can get supplies is through a guarded pass>The commander is ruthless but honorable>goUnless you consider something as barebones and scene setting as this backstory, IDK how that is flat and boring. You dont need some long monologue, just where you are, what your immediate goal is, and the major characters in play.
>>97817742Don't make the story too flat and boring. Alternatively, know your group and run the kind of game you have in mind for people who'd be interested in it. I don't know what kind of an answer beyond "have interesting shit in it" are you looking for here. That's all there is to it. If you can't think of interesting shit that doesn't depend of backstory established beforehand, you probably shouldn't run a game without backstory. If you can think of interesting shit, why do you think your players would find it boring?
>>97817618Make interesting places for the players to explore. Make interesting characters for the players to interact with and talk to. Make interesting monsters/combat encounters to fight. Give the players room to fill out their own characters. Leave gaps and let the players fill them. the story will emerge on it's own.
Any suggestions for systems built for urban fantasy settings? I know there's World of Darkness but I'm looking for something that is more combat focused and less story telling. Monster of the Week has been suggested to me but I'm just not a big fan of PBTA, the systems just don't feel like a game to me as bullshit as that sounds.
Hate to say it, but pic related is probably your best bet if you want something that is combat focused. It's just a shame that it's by Tom Lancer.
>>97815373MotW is alright if you want to run something looser, but combat is rule of cool and lots of handwaving. You could do an alright Hellboy-style campaign with it, but you only get back what you put into a pbta system, meaning if you aren't feeling it, you won't have a good time.Unknown Armies is more about fucked up magic and Delta Green is more about being off-the-books agents killing Lovecraft monsters. It's actually pretty hard to find some urban fantasy games that aren't also pbta though. You might have to grab a generic system like Basic Roleplay (same system used by CoC and Delta Green) and fashion something to your liking.>>97816551It's not good at any of the things that OP requested, though.
>>97815373Call of Cthulhu using the Pulp expansion could work. Characters are much more competent and survivable, and able to do more fantastic things, and there are rules for playing psychics or mystics.
>>97816551>Tom LancerIs that a short of Tom Bloom, the woke cancer and author of Lancer?
>>97815373What about Fate and Jojo? They both have their RPGs
A thread for everything Dragons. What is the best kind of Dragons for a game. Just the standard, firebreathing scally Dragon? Or is it better for a game to give your players variety?
>>97809581>Warhammer has a wide variety of dragons.BEHOLD, THE VOID DRAGON!
>>97809146thousand sons has wyverns in lore
>>97815414Because it is the common thing. And thats just a common cultural exchange. Happend within Europe too. So did China with Korea and Japan.But Yamata no Orochi is an interesting dragon. Thanks for that info.
>>97705547I found the writing to be lackluster. It reads like a Disney Channel original series with simpleton characters and villains too comically villainous to be taken very seriously. I like dragons, but I wasn't willing to go past the first book. Things may improve after that, but I don't feel like I'm missing out.
>>97812205>>97812672>>97813749Other dragons are a given. I was thinking more in terms of empires, civilizations. Masses of creatures that can exist as long as dragons and rival them in power in their own way, not necessarily being significantly supernatural.Guess I'm trying to write a huge adult dragon as I would an adventurer: what kind of rivals, challenges and quests can he face without it being a straightforward high power magical creature or heroic character. As well as not escalating into all out war with armies.Like giants are pretty good for that. Fae or high power magical creatures seem too wild, momentary challenges.Sentient gryphons or harpy civs perhaps?
Out of Season Snow Storm EditionHere is a thread to discuss trading card games other than the big three.>Build Divide>Force of Will>Final Fantasy TCG>DBZ CCG>Wixoss>Keyforge>Gundam>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)>Digimon>Flesh and Blood>Gate Ruler>Battle SpiritsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97817747Apparently, you can't spell Ascent without A Scent.
>>97817522You could have different piles for rarity and each time you open a container you draw from tbe general pile. High value loot can get vacuumed up if you let it.You could even do loot boosters, where you open it with a friend and shuffle it in to the loot piles without knowing what's in it
should I buy a box of warlord
>>97817476It's a shame because the game was fun it just wasn't supported properly, and it launched like within a month of One Piece.Also the card frames looked like shit what were they thinking
>>97817764Its funny how no matter what TCGThe players fucking smell
Knight Panther edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97817383>>97817399holy fvckin kino
>>97817383>BonereaperThat's a nicely painted one, but ngl the bonereaper aesthetic has to be one of the worst things GW has come up with. It feels like lazy cad drafting to make skeleton models less spindly & easier to cast, but on top of that it flies in the face of what made skellymans cool which was reusing the bones of what were clearly once monsters & humans- when they're morphed & warped into specific shapes that clearly were never a part of an actual skeletal structure they might as well be made of metal at that point.
>>97817399>Luthor von Drakenborg, fed up and tired of completely dominating Blood Bowl, chooses to wage war with his ancestral bladeWell, the Old World is fucked.
Bros I love Warhammer Fantasy so much
>>97817850A single Cathayan peasant would solo everything in this art btw
What's the appeal of evil women?
>>97817593oops, dropped the dork
>>97816784Maybe.
>>97817603>tfw you will never be her Duck
>>97817630Do you think she sometimes absent mindedly rubs against Transmogrants she's working on?Because that's someone you can be for her...
>>97815288Oh that explains the room temperature takes I end expose to. Fucking algorithm insist on showing me this thing even though I keep blocking its content.
How the fuck are the Lord of the Rings wargame minis still getting made? Those movies were 20 years ago.
>>97805226The movies were that good (still not as good as the books) and the game was great for 20 years, and is till pretty good.>>97810744One day I'll sit down and make an effortpost about how 90% of the complaints about 40k and AOS stem from the fact that neither are true wargames but not today. I do wish this was talked about more.
>>97811706That game has some of the best LOTR art. And some of the worst, particularly in the later sets.
>>97805321stopped watching them after the vtuber shit. Vince Venturella is on thin fucking ice for having that one annoying fuck in his thumbnail
>>97811922>(still not as good as the books)After having heard that Tolkien wrote the hobby as a sort of bedime story for his son, I got the audiobooks and had a great time painting fantasy stuff with them for background. LOTR really was made to be told, not just read.
>>97805321You can't be that hard on them if you remember that they started playing the game in like 2017 (after it was ruined). They never got to experience GOOD 40k. >>97809693>They're MTG fans who pivoted for views.That makes SO much fucking sense. Their severe "old bad new good" skew with everything from sculpts to balance changes / wanting even faster rules update churn than the absurd speed we currently have speaks to a MTG mindset of "fix the current fucked meta with the new set!" of every CCG out there.
Thread #012 Degenerate EditionWelcome to /schreck/ where you can rp your VTM character! For all questions concerning the World of Darkness, please consult the WoDg and CoDg thread>>97733980Previous Thread>>97621954Brief rules>We have no story teller, we are acephali>Threads are v20 based, although the night is long and full of whispers, lies, and half-truths. Decide your own canon but all will not believe you>all nicktuku will be diablerized on sight>all OOC discussion should be spoileredTHREAD QUESTIONComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97809672Need to find him a teacher at some point.>>97814457Give people an escape and they'll often surprise you.>>97814951>You do realize if we ever meet in person I obligated to smack you one for blaspheming the Dark Father, right?Everyone gets one for free, it is your due. But at this point between the Tzim Dharma I've internalized and the gods I've seen? The only thing the Dark Father ever did worthy of my respect was leave.
How do I POLITELY invite a Nosferatu to leave the sewer underneath my place without angering them, using another Nosferatu, or making an enemy out of the rest of their Clan?
>>97817128Like you were using that sewer
>>97817237Most of the kine walking through my place won't either, however somebody is going to reach for the surface to feed and eavesdrop at some point in time.
>>97817128fetching? probably not but i am comfy in them. that is all that matters.and ey, we do what we gotta do. >>97817391>>97817128if this is a 'reasonable' extension of a haven you gotta demarcate that shit and KEEP it. paper law don't extend far downotherwise, just ask without being weird. if it matters to your neighbours they'll ask for a favour. give it. its a lot easier to work with mutuals than bad neighbours
