Previous: >>93749243>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.nethttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/>Thread Question/Prompt:If the Rules Committee is inactive,what is its purpose within the organization?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>93757080There is no point, that's what people have been saying for years now.The formal rules and ban list are for pick up games at stores and other events with randos who don't know each other. The kind of regular playgroup that "self selects" and has meaningful conversations about what they want out of their games is exactly the kind of group that needs RC input the least, but somehow, is also the only group the the RC wants to acknowledge the existence of.
>>93757080>the Rules Committee AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIS THAT A TURN 5 SORIN?SAVE ME GHOST OF SHELDON, THAT'S A 90% POWER CEDH PLAY
>>93757080There is no point to the RC
Whoever mentioned the Nielsen tokens a few days ago thank you, they came in today and are gorgeous. >tqTo keep the format away from wotc
>>93757236Sheldon cemented his place as a based entity by banning Golos
>>93757257Mine came with short hand written thank you note that I have kept to this day
>>93757034I suppose you would use shit like land tax to keep enough lands in your hand. As for what deck it would go in, I don't know. Some kind of boros blink pile that leans into an enchantment theme?
>>93757080>TQ To muddy the decision making process and ensure that people don't have to pay for their actions.
Legendary creatures you would fuck, go.
>>93757394100% Ink EyesOne of the only creatures to have their ass out in the entire game
>>93757448Why don't women dress like this all the time
>>93757394
>>93757458Because they're not rats.
Sars please to do the needful and post the salt calculator site
>>93757394I'm a weeb
>>93757519I still need to build a Child of Alara deck
>>93757528Same.. I'm gonna order the secret lair miku set tomorrow and can only use 4 of those cards in my Mite deck. I've gotta build a new one for the other 2.
>>93757394Only learned of this art today but... Yeah
>>93757541pic related is good in Flubs if you want to build that deck
>>93757565I would've gone with Lord Windgrace before Jedit
>>93757557No idea what flubs means but that's the 2nd card I can't use in my mite deck. I have all other Miku cards in foil, some even double. Also got custom Miku sleeves from dragon shield.Tho.. one isn't.. "Miku".. it's Calne Ca
>>93757607Does anyone have the copypasta
>>93757608this is flubs!
>>93757626Oh, I never looked into those cards. That's bloomwhatever, right?
Gay Bolas
>>93757626But wouldn't she be way better? I have her in my dogmeat.
Bisexual Ugin
Straight Bolas
>>93757080>TQThe RC exists to absorb hate for wotc and to shift the blame for overpowered cards onto a separate loosely affiliated party. Is it Gavin's fault Thoracle exists? Yes, but the conversation around the card now revolves around the legality of it which falls onto the lap of the RC and not a member of wotc.
>>93757607Is this you?
>>93757679In what art is she wearing a party dress?
So I'm brewing Odric, Blood-Cursed and I was wondering how I'd go about maximizing the chance that when I play him I get every possible blood token off of his trigger. Basically how many of each keyword should my deck run to insure that I can have as many of them on the board at any given time after turn 3?
>>93757728Idk how to answer this other than "as many as you can possibly fit"My question is what the heck are you going to do with all those blood tokens though
>>93757697The white moths in >>93757607 form a dress on the corpse
>>93757758use them to burn people or use them as equipment
>>93757763.....anon wants to fuck THAT?
>>93757595Windgrace is a real piece of eye candy too but he's dead isn't he? Are we assuming this is allowed to happen anytime in the timeline through some multiverse hijinks?
>>93757697
>>93757804Huh, I see it now. I definitely didn't see that in the card art.
>>93757728I really hate this kind of ability formatting. Every one of these "keywords matter" cards has a different list, and it's a pain in the ass to remember. Why haven't they officially codified "ability keyword" as an entity like they have for activated abilities and mana abilities? If it's a matter of being able to easily identify them, you can print them in italics or put them in brackets.
>>93757394>no big tiddy one arm eyepatch samuraiWhy live. Oh well, I'll settle for second best.
>>93757257With all these woke things just burning millions for all these companies lately I honestly expect wotc to just quietly start commissioning Terese art again
>>93757886maybe they don't him to give newly reprinted keywords, similar to how he doesn't give ones that have fallen out of use like intimidate or fear>pic doesn't disable shroudkwab
>>93757649How gay?
>>93758079Ugin is currently giving him white mana injections.
Should I go for Tariel or Bladewing as my designated reanimator deck?
>>93758095That's just stax at this point.. that's disgusting
>>93758073>JOTC is now printing anti-ward cardsSo what was the point of ward?
>>93757886Yeah they shoot themselves in the foot but I don't know if there's really a way around it. It means that if they introduce anything new in the future it's not going to be included. The only way I think around this would be if they made evergreen a game term and then they could say something like "the same is true for all evergreen keywords"
>>93758149>JOTC is now printing anti-hexproof cardsSo what was the point of hexproof?
>>93758149Shroud is bad for the feelings because you can't target your own stuff and hexproof is busted, so Ward was supposed to be a nerfed version of Hexproof that opened up more design space. Unfortunately, the design team is full of hacks so they didn't do anything interesting with it and are now saddled with an "also" line of text that complicates anything that is supposed to defeat defensive measures.
>>93758195Watd should be symetrical and it's incredibly dumb that it isnt.
>>93758189I want to build this but mostly because I want to bang vannifar. I don't really like the design though, I already have a few decks that cheat out big creatures...
>>93758195>hexproof is bustedDo retards really not run any board wipes? Wrath of God is like $1 and so is Blasphemous Act.
>>93758277Hexproof is busted because it's exclusively a one sided positive. It's braindead and has no thought required; it's just always good.
>>93758277>Uh actually you SHOULD be forced to wipe the whole board because of one permanent
>>93758277The existence of board wipes doesn't make hexproof worse lol
>>93758299>group hug player wants to hand out free +1/+1 counters>can't target your shit because of hexproof, gives them to Blood Timmy instead>"exclusively a one sided positive"
>>93758186This but unironically
>>93758312Anon, I do not care about group hug. It's a bad achetype piloted excusively by kingmaking faggots.
>>93758312You seem like the same type of person that derides the ideas of group hug in the first place
You can't say a card is OP and needs to be banned while this nigger card exists. Not a single card people bitch about isn't answered by wotc's favorite color saying "nuh uh you don't get to play the game".
>>93758352You realize regular counterspell is pretty bad, right?
>>93758352I'm not afraid of this because I play Red
>>93758371>You realize regular counterspell is pretty bad, right?Not him, but it still gets the job done.
>>93758303I wish this card wasn't a playtest card, I want to build Golgari storm
>>93758371What is bad about it lmao
>>93758371>I-It's badIt should be 4 mana but bluetards seethe at the idea of paying more than 1 mana for the ability to take someone else's turn away from them.
>>93758299>>93758303>>93758309Let me guess you faggots all run blue and are mad you can't counterspell away a board presence because your blue weenies can't match up to a 6/6
>>93758410A counterspell doesn't care about a creature having hexproof though?
>>93758377You're not wrong, it's just been immensely powercrept. Most edh decks dont run it unless they're monoblue.>>93758404>t. Brand new playerIn time you'll learn to play around counterspells. It isnt very difficult but it does require some thought.
>>93758410I run gruul retard, why are you assuming that I'm worried about hexproof on creatures?
>>93758441>J-Just play around itExcept you can't because the bluetard can just use another counterspell because they're so cheap.
>>93758491Dont make excuses. Adapt, improve, and overcome. It's usually the first thing players of real formats learn.
>>93757257It is hard for me to believe anyone cares about Nielsen for any reason but political virtue signaling.
>>93757656Azusa is incredibly mid
>>93758312This general needs counseling for its group hug trauma.
>>93758564Group hug was laughable until bumbleflower came out and now people are seething about it every day, how did she do it bros?
>>93758491>Y-you can't play around counterspellsGit Gud. Simple as.
>>93758564No one is traumatized, every single person who plays it winds up disapointed, or is a liar.
>>93758579People always seethed about grouphug. The type who seeth about it are the same type who seeth about teammates in team based video games. They're the type who should not be playing anything that isn't 1 v 1.
>>93758584>Every single person either shares my view or is lying about itSure they are
>>93758656I dont make the rules, I just report on them. Be mad at your bretheren who've complained about playing group hug since the archetype was invented and people got wise to their dumb scheme. Politics decks have the same problem.
>>93758500>>93758581Then you can "adapt" to me playing black lotus.
>>93758684I'm not mad at anything I'm just pointing out that you're obviously wrong
>>93758684This is known as narcissism.
Wotc put you in charge of the next cycle of magus cards what are you printing?
>>93758371I guess in extremely mana greedy decks that cannot handle having two blue ever
>>93758536What's got mid to do with anything?
>>93758733a legendary magus of the balance for a balance-themed deck
Is the meathook massacre worth it in EDH? I was thinking of running it in my windgrace deck
>>93757394I wanna build a deck for her simply because she's cute
how is Magda a top10 cEDH commander? tried goldfishing her, and while I'm able to reliably pull off the Clock of Omens combo on t4, I can't imagine it winning against any other top 10 deck
>>93758718>>93758729>t. Newfriends who have never seen a group hug deck and have a rabbit fetishThings go in cycles, neither of you have been here long enough to see how it goes. Right now we're at the "wow it's new" phase. Soon people will be at the "well this fucking sucks I'm taking apart this terrible deck" phase. Such is the law, as codified by the gay faggots and the big gay hippo before it, with precident set in this general. Again, I dont make the rules, I just report on them.
>>93758848I've been here longer than you
I want to try and put together a deck around radiate. After looking through scryfall a bit, I am thinking there aren't enough targets that are playable without being radiated.
>>93758834>wombo combo into goldspan dragon to just double your mana for free
>>93758733Magus of the Subgame{1}Legendary Creature - Human GamerFlashHasteWhen Magus of the Subgame enters, players play a Magic subgame, using their libraries as their decks. Each player who doesn’t win the subgame loses 1 life.{1}: You may put a card you own from outside the game into your hand.{T}: Exile Magus of the Subgame, then return it to the battlefield.1/4
>>93758872Still mad this art wasn't used for a legendary
>>93758862Prove it.
>>93758865the magda decks don't even use dragons. you make infinite treasures with clock and a shapeshifter or some Maskwood Nexus jank, then you use magda to tutor Elixir of Immortality and Eriette's Tempting Apple to end the game. it overall feels like an extremely risky deck and I don't understand how this is winning tournaments, especially when you compare her to commanders like Kinnan.
>>93758900No, I dont make the rules, I just report on them.Now fuck off narcissist
>>93757553>livia primaone of the few nu artists that draws good looking women
>>93758745What's mid but a second hand emotion?
>>93758733Magus of HumilityMagus of the Earth (Earthcraft)Magus of the Acid RainMagus of the Void (black finally gets counterspell action)Magus of the Storm World
>>93758914You couldnt even mention one ancient meme? Not a single historical anon? That's just sad.
>>93758733We are long overdue
So the way this card is worded I can pay nothing for x and then just draw as many cards as I want
>>93758976if you can't pay a cost you can't use the ability. Additional Cost, Discard 10, and you have fewer than 10 Cards, you cannot have X be 10 because you cannot pay the "Discard 10 Cards"
>>93758988Sorry anon that's not how it works, I can declare any number for x and the just do what I want
>>93758992retard
>>93758992No.
>>93758911Magda can:>Tutor for her own wincons at instant speed>Gets wincons out in response to spot removal targeting her without having to pass priority>Gets wincons out onto the field without fear of counterspells because putting things on the field are not casting them>Only needs two cards + commander out to generate infinite treasures which as established leads to a win without passing priorityIronically given your analysis, she's very very consistent
>>93758911Remember, cedh tournaments are 4 player afairs. The best or fastest deck doesnt always win; usually it's the deck that draws the least hate. Metas are particularly inbred and people recognize powerful players then conspire against them. This is why you should look at anyone who uses tournament results to build their decks or inform their decisions beyond broad general trends like they are retarded.
>>93758762>>93758733Why not just play what OP posted?
>>93757257You're welcome bro>>93758523I love her art, it's iconic, she seems like a nice person, AND I'm here for the political virtue signaling.
>>93758523Her art is gorgeous and represents a better time for mtg
>>93758976You aren't being clever. Wheel of Potential was broken because it gave you the option to not pay X, but didn't change it's effect if you chose to not pay. It received eratta in order to fix this problem. Channeled Force has no such opt-out clause.
>>93758523First, I do not give a fuck about politics. From an artistic perspective she is very overrated. Her old style was much better than her new style, and coming to the end of her tenure she tended to coast on a few tropes quite a bit. In addition, she's one of like 5 artists people who play mtg would know, and by far the most popular. This is emphasized with the 10ish year slump wotc is in with their love of god awful art direction so nostalgic anons tend to draw to the figures of the past, and Terese is one of the most prominent.All that being said, the guru lands are some of the finest ever printed. Just look at this tasteful anon's nice prints: >>93759035
>>93759074I am being clever actually
>>93759081I guess it's all relative; if that was the best that I could do I would be proud too.
>>93759095I have yet to see you do any better retard kun
>>93759100>Bring up an old argument he lost>"Wow, you're a retard, aren't you?">"You can't do any better"Surely you have enough Ls. Why are you hunting for more?
>>93757394Art chicks fuck wild
>>93759100Any better than what, misreading a card and being a jackass when corrected?
>>93759118Old argument I lost? What on Earth are you babbling about. I'm the one that won. Wheel of potential now works as intended.
>>93759144Sorry but that's the objectively correct reading of the card until it gets eratted
>>93759145It does NOW, but it didn't when printed and the eratta is proof. Let it go.
>>93759151You already tried that schtick this thread. I demand to be entertained you dancing retard clown, do better.
>>93759046>>93759035>>93759076Weird I never see this sort of obsessive worship for other beloved artists. What makes Nielsen so much better than Guay or Mckinnon or any others?
Wait are WOTC Dickriders still upset about the broken wheel card wotc released (probably because they didn't test it like nadu?)
>>93759217Terese has made art for a lot of iconic cards going back to the beginning of magic and has style that even normies can recognize, so lots of people know herGuay, Seb, Richard Kane Ferguson, rk post, Donato Giancola, etc all have their fans, they just aren't as vocal
My tribal decks all measure a 4/10 on the salt scale it's pretty crazy, I thought they were a 3 at best
>>93759337I made a Kiora Sovereign of the Deep deck and its only a 4 despite have like 10 forms of board wipes.
>>93757257link me to where i can get these RIGHT NOW
>>93759441They're on the oma store but I got a foil set on ebay for the same price as the nonfoil from oma.
>>93759441Normally I would tell you to fucking Google but I like nielson sohttps://tnielsen.com/category/tokens-of-spirit/
>>93758976Genuinely good joke, ignore the others
>>93757257I wish Lauren YS did tokens, or, well....anything besides like six cards
Should I paypig for one of the 40k precons? The Necron one's gimmick seems fun.
>>93758976Get your damage for nothin and your cards for free
>>93759467Necrons is the only one that has aged well
>>93757257the only thing keeping me from picking this up is not getting to see all the art beforehand. someone post the 5/3 or goblins pls
>>93759519The goblin is the poster goblin
>>93759528The angel is my favorite
>>93759528>cat soldier just has her vajayjay out on full display HUMINA HUMINA I GOTTA ORDER THESE RIGHT AWAY TO KISS SOME CAT PUSSY
>>93759528some of these suck, the sand warrior is good though, I should pick a few up for my Hazezon deck
>>93759528very meh
>>93757080I’d rather live in a world where the rules committee is a little overzealous on bans and then gives their “lol just rule zero it” mantra when people complain, edh was built on using shitty cards and that should be the default
>>93759659hot guy
>>93759688
>>93757649Not as gay as one of my favorite pet cards, Zephyr ChargeHOW DID THEY GET AWAY WITH DRAWING A FAT HORSE ASS IN A THONG
>>93759604This is a common misconception. It wasnt built on shitty cards, it was built in cards that couldnt be used in other formats, like memory jar and mind's desire.
>want to build bear tribal>have to run THAT card
>>93759810Dont build a boring tribal deck, build something mechanically interesting instead.
>>93759810What card
>>93759821this. Like....uh.....uh.....
>>93759821Can I have both at once?
What would be more fun for a new Commander deck, I already have a mono black, and a Boros deck>Mono Green Hydrasor >Elementals ""tribal""
>>93759759were the elder dragons ever usable in other formats? zoomer here, but it doesn't seem likely that they were
>93740382heres the real sleepy time tea card
>>93759810Ayula is THE reason to build a Bear deck, what's the problem?
>>93759873I like the idea of it but she just seems like a massive removal target that holds up the entire tribe.
>>93759828Depends on the mechanics you like.>>93759829This is fine too.
>>93759884What the hell baby tables are you playing at that she is such a must kill game warping threat?
>>93759873He's talking about the faggy gross Bearscape card with the ugly men on itJust run the Odyssey version
>>93759810take the duskanapill, she's gone from a random meme brew that I only committed to because my brother loved the idea and gifted me cards for it to one of my most enjoyable decks (and the cheapest overall)
>>93759897that version is cheaper anyway
>>93759868Nope. Well, not the OGs at least. Serra Angel was the first real beatstick that was ever printed and the dragons were hilariously uncastable at the time they were printed.
>>93759896It's more that I play with griefers that know that if your deck is built around your commander you can hinder a deck by removing that commander repeatedly
>>93759909Then dont build a shitty tribal deck that relies on your commander, or if you must because the heavens will it, run protection.
>>93759884>>93759909I have a Bear Force One deck. She eats removal fairly often, since I draw attention to myself by beating people with bears, but I run a bunch of one mana protection spells to keep her safe.
>>93759946Ok
>>93759909That's not griefing, that's interacting with the game in a sensible fashion.
>>93760036I dunno, anon, what IS your favorite commander?
>>93760036Bloomburrow pre-conLotr Pre-con
>>93760036>there are literal clown girl commanders that are probably trans if you ask a wotc employeethese questions arent fun anymorethen again, i guess it’s not like the fat pieces of shit who play this game play fat pieces of shit typically (but if they do they’re based)
>>93760036I only say this as a half-joke.
>>93757886They can't give him every keyword in the fucking game and some people would rather use certain keywords over others, it'd actually much better that these type of effects aren't consistent so they aren't boring ans you have a reason to choose one over the other>>93758160That would never happen because anytime they had a shift in philosophy you'd basically be errataing any card that mentions evergreen>>93758073>there are cards that turn off hexproof and indestructible >uuuuuh then WhAt WaS tHe PoInT oF tHoSe EfFeCtS
>>93760036Alesha who smiles at death>canonically trans (but left out of pride month celebration in favor of muh planeswalkers)>from Tarkir to appeal to the homies who loved the 3-set block format >card is from when EDH really started gaining traction>strategy is open-ended enough for inclusion of pet cards>no blue/green, so you can show off that you don’t need no railroading
My local pod is being smart actively keep removing Gishath on ENB or attack declarations. Is this where I shill out for Teferi's Protection?Any Gishath players experience the constant hate of getting your commander removed over and over?
>I LITERALLY CANT STOP HECKIN THINKING ABOUT TRANNYRINOS!!!!Not EDH related >>>/pol/
>Wheel of potential was a mistake>WOTC even admitted it and errata'd it>Some nerd is still in denialHoly fucking shit.
>it's that time of night when the thread goes to shitWell, time to drink gin until I pass out. Have a good night quality anons. The rest of you? I hope you suffer through horribke draws, and may every card you own be pringled beyond repair.
>>93760117I mean I usually threaten them to cry and shit myself if they do so they tend to leave me aloneTry playtesting cards like Not of This World or Glorious Protector before shelling out for Teferi's Protection
>TQalmost everyone knows this but the RC gets paid to NOT ban things and to NOT criticize Wizards' decisionsSheldon Menery was and Josh Lee Kwai is confirmed to be on the WOTC payroll as empoyees or contractors, all of them probably are>>93758920that's another olivia art with wonky anatomyher neck is way too long
>>93760173I should note I'm also lacking the proper ramp like Skyshoud Claim and Three Visits so my deck is lagging behind in speed. But I'll try those our
>>93760081>not mentioning that mardu colors means you can play both unfinity clowns and rakdos circus freaks
>>93760117I play Pantlaza but I know that feel.Heroic Intervention and the white Heroic Intervention from redwall are good, but expensive.Single-target hexproof + indestructible cards like Tamiyo's Safekeeping and Tyvar's Stand are fine. Sometimes you just need to protect one guy. Also works well if you need to use Apex Altisaur to wipe the whole board.I'm a big fan of Collective Resistance because it can be artifact/enchantment removal when you need it or single target protection in a pinch, or you can pump mana into it to get both (and if you're playing dinos you should have tons of mana unless you're a cost-cheating nigger)Parting Gust can also double as either creature removal or a delayed flicker if you need to get Gishath out of a sticky situation (including board wipes), or you can use it to double up an ETB if you're confident in using it for value.Sejiri Shelter can easily replace a basic Plains.imo protection that comes stapled on a more proactive effect (removal usually) is best because you should be packing the mana to cover for its inefficiency, and it'll help you a lot if a faster deck gets off the ground before you.
>>93760204I dunno why I posted Caesar but fuck it, he can hang out with the dino bros.
>>93760123Wheel of Potential autist won.I kneel.
You like green ramp because it's harder to remove landsI like green ramp because it tutors lands out of my deck
>>93760204FALLOUT IS AWESOME
>>93760204These are great protection spells I was looking for thanks. I know Flawless Maneuver is free too and not that expensive
>>93760123I assume it's just tolling or autism. Or a genuine WOTC shill
>>93760505>dhibi
>>93760505...wrong thread lmao
>>93760505>>93760531>>93760525How would you play the card OP posted?
>>93759011>Without passing priorityMagda's ability resolves just like any other triggered ability, you can't get treasures without passing priority.
>>93760531>not just refusing to elaborate on your mis-post and leaving everyone to wonder what the fuck that was aboutNever gonna be a Chad
>>93760505me playing group hug pillow fort fog tribal with zero removal vs dino timmy
>>93760545I wouldn't, it's an un-set card.
Cool cards that care about cards entering exile or cards being played from exile?I've got a handful in my deck since I cast a lot of stuff from exile and although it's not the main theme of my deck, it's one of the most fun ones in there.
>>93760575>I wouldn't, it's an un-set card.I'm still curious about the card.Could you please provide your thoughts on it?
>>93760651Sure, if it were to get functional reprint in a mainline set (which isn't unprecedented) it would make decent combo piece without being too overpowered due to relatively high casting cost..
>>93758976>>93759145>still seething weeks later
>>93757519Oh fucking finally. Now I don't have to look at an ugly baby.
After a lot of thinking, I decided to not build Yuriko for my Dimir deck. There's two in my play group already and I feel like everyone hates her besides me. Now I need help deciding on a different commander for Dimir. Is Marvo based or cringe?
I already kind of love Valgavoth (Duskmourne's Elder Demon) from the story, he's probably the most powerful demon in the entire multiverse so far. I love demons, they're a great fantasy monster archetype, and with Rakdos being completely flanderized i'm glad to see a new big bad taking his place. I just hope his card is fun and unique.
>>93760973Miku, Miku, you can call me Miku.. blue hair, blue tie, hiding in your wifi..
>>93760974I really feel ike you shouldn't need to think a lot to decide not to build Yuriko if your playgroup already has two people playing her. Marvo is weirdly similar to Yuriko when it comes to deckbuilding, same colors and you'll want the same mix of topdeck manipulation mixed with spells that have huge CMCs so you can keep winning clashes and casting stuff for free. The difference is that instead of adding a bunch of ninjas, you're going to add clash cards.Obviously he's nowhere as strong as her, but he can work. I'd invest very heavily on protection though since he's 5cmc and crucial to make the deck actually work
>>93761010I really like ninjas, but the other guys just had her built as soon as she got spoiled and never dropped her. I was honestly think about building it as like a pure Dimir control style build, so the counterspells can double up as protection for him.
>>93761019Ninjas has a problem in EDH where it's a cool tribe but it only really has Yuriko as an option for its commander. She's absurdly strong, and she fixes the main problem with ninjas which is that they're just very low impact creatures in general, which makes it really hard to close out commander games with them. I think the only other real option for a ninja tribal is Goro-Goro and Satoru, since it means you get a 5/5 dragon every time you ninjutsu, but it's very finnicky compared to, you know, just running yuriko
>>93760635FaldornWild-Magic SorcererQuintorius Kand (Planeswalker)Pia Nalaar, Consul of Revival Visions of PhrexiaI'm sure you already know about most of these and Passionate Archaeologist too
>like all the brutal group slug cards in both gruul and rakdos colors>decide to just build a jund group slug deck>zero commanders that even remotely fit the archetypeEven breaking down and looking at faggy partner commanders, only Vial Smasher fits, but he has no worthwhile pairings in the identity.I also considered Thantis (too high on the curve and has worse goad), and Shattergang bros (want a more specialized build). Any suggestions? Surely there's at least one good "everyone gets their asses beat" in fucking Jund.
>>93761048Yeah, that's ultimately why I decided to go with Marvo instead. Yuriko also doesn't play cool things, Marvo will actually play the huge CMC stuff, which I think can be cool.
>>93761019>>93761048Ninjas never work regardless of commander because their entire ability of ninjitsu leads to bullshit people hate. Ninjas will work when they get a new keyword and ninjitsu is forever forgotten. Until then, keep your ninjitsu deck next to your annihilator deck
>>93761141did someone lose to a ninja
>>93761152No. I just have watched a lot of commander shows with ninjitsu commanders and they all play like that. I don't care if you play Ninjas but you were warned people won't play with you.
>>93761152"Ninja"
>>93761166>somehow sneaking in a blightsteel colossus CREEEEEEEED
I bought this cunt for 35 bucks, never played him, never even drew him.. never even discarded or milled or saw him stolen. He's a mystery in my deck.
>>93761172...you did remember to put it in right
>>93760987I just hope they show his big butt
>>93761172I have also these kinds of mystery cards, which I have added and seen them when going through my deck, but never have drawn them or seen them otherwise.
>>93761141>AnnihilatorLet go of your ptsd annihilator is barely a mechanic now that everyone's deck just incidentally shits out treasures/maps/clues/food/blood tokens
>>93761174You are a dumb asshole. I actually had to go and check my deck.. YES, he's in here, right next to elesh norn and elesh norn.>>93761196I have quite a few expensive ones that never saw the light of day
>>93759217it's the geometric shapes and golden ratio charts layered on top of the art for me
Oh yeah, any of you brained anons wanna help me? I wanna put a couple cards in here. https://archidekt.com/decks/8488125/copy_of_corrupted_influence_preconThat's my current Mite deck.I'm gonna get the newest secret lair Miku deck so I wanna add the Thespian Stage, Chord of Calling and the Diabolic tutor.I dunno if those cards are even worth throwing in here but.. I love Miku.Just, tell me if I'm being a retard or if any of those are a good idea. I just think the Thespian Stage is great for copying a few lands I have.
>>93760974Marco is cool but I prefer Yennett for personal reasons. One thing Marvo has for him is that the applicable Myojin's *will* get their counters since its casting from hand.
how has, in my years of running a feather deck, nobody told me to put this card in there, and it was just reprinted
I miss Theros block's Naya Control with Assemble the Legion and W/R removalWhat's the most fun Naya commander?
>>93761320>He didn't know about the Lieges
>>93761320I've run that in Quintorius as soon as Strixhaven released bro... use edhrec
>>93761330Zacama, but I like big dumb idiots
>>93761330Dogmeat, but I like big dumb voltrons
>>93761319Well the black Myojin kind of sucks, but the blue one is kind of ridiculous, especially if you're casting 8 drops for free and quadrupling them.
>>93761320You don't have encyclopedic knowledge of every card in the shadowmoor and lorwyn block? Are you some kind of fucking dweeb?
>>93761330I have Zacama, Ghired (og) and Marath. I think all of them are fun in their own way, but I think Marath is the most fun. Ghired is okay too, but my deck needs tweaking, as it's too ramp heavy and way too little payoffs.
>>93761330Mazzy because you can build her in many different ways
>>93761600I'm shocked marath holds up after so long desu
>>93761606I read that as Martha and wondered what was good about a 4 drop that makes a clue.
What is the oldest deck you own?
>>93761717Jhoira of the Ghitu, the first deck I built. She's not nearly as scary as she was in 2012 but I still like the play pattern and now she's fairly casual by comparison to some of the stuff running around, which is fine by me. Suspend has always been cool and it made me realize that I love haste
>>93761726Got a list?
>>93761729Sorry I don't think so actually. Because I've had it for so long I don't think I've ever thrown it up on moxfield. I could take a picture later if I remember but FYI I did also tone the deck down by removing the mld
>>93761717Unironically 2nd Doctor/Vislor. I take apart decks and only three of my decks have ever really lasted outside of a couple of months. Before that it was my Ghoulcaller Gisa deck as my only deck for years. But, I gave up on that shit. Couldn't ever make it work.
>>93759869Not the same energy.>>93757669Same energy.
>>93760635Bronzebeak Foragers
>>93761856Bolas' gay time tea. Perfect for sex with hats on.
I kind of want to build Kaalia but every Kaalia list basically just turns out the same. She's very cool though, I like the card a lot but my hipster brain can't let go of how overplayed she is.
>>93761606Definitely not the biggest powerhouse of C13, but a good contender. One of my favorite things that happened with the deck not too long ago was me using Marath to ping Ranging Raptors when I had Unbound Flourishing on the field.
>>93761951He's definitely up there. Oloro used to be stronger, but he's fallen off since his eminence just... doesn't fucking matter anymore. And Deveri... Maybe Deveri's still good? The command tax evasion certainly has been power crept to hell and back though.Prossh is still king
>>93761981Derevi and Prossh both are being played. Nekusar also, but people kinda realized that he's not that good. I kinda like Jeleva, but she's also not being played. When it comes to other non-face commanders, all have plummeted, but I guess Gahiji can still be powerful.But yeah, Oloro has probably had it the worst, he was all over the meta at the time and according to my anecdotal evidence, easily the most popular, Derevi being the second.
Do I just build him as group slug artifacts? I don't want to do gay dragons approach shit like edhrec lists.
>>93762022>GahijiSorta interjecting into your conversation, but I'm curious about that thing. Do you think it'd serve well as a kinda jank shit tribal buff commander? I'm tilting away from my Monowhite Sensei Golden-Tail Samurai deck and thinking of making a Naya one so I can use Isao and Iizuka alongside Sensei and some other Bushido nonsense. I don't know if I'd wanna invest in the landbase for another three-color deck, but I'm tempted. There's only like 3 samurai in green with Bushido, so I'd probably mostly use green for ramp.
No one cares but I just want to complain that I was sick of MTG's characters and metaplot of the Weatherlight Saga (that lasted for a whopping 4 years) and welcomed Apocalypse and the breath of fresh air that began with Odyssey. Now it's nearly 2025 and we've been doing the avengers cartoon shit shit for the past 18 FUCKING YEARS. Thank you, that is all.
>>93762273You would like it if it was good. The story is written by hacks, and they barely utilize any of the storytelling avenues available to them.
>>93762273WOTC cares more about representation than actual story. They were doing a good job with Teferi, but then shit the bed again because Teferi can't be what he was, An asshole with godlike powers, massive ego and also an asshole, because that would require some character depth. Somehow, some fucking way, Urza to this day remains Magics best written and flesh out character. Likely because in the past the story was MAGIC and not "MAgic with real world bullshit". Fucking Liliana getting away with genocide and have ZERO actual punishment or remorse. Bitch should have been hunted and killed and if she was actually remorseful she'd accept it or swear off her magic and just become a Whitemage going around fixing bullshit.
>>93757394I have a weakness for the confident archer aesthetic and bnuuys
>>93757728Just use a bunch of cards like Zetalpa. The more keyword soup you can find, the better.
>>93761981Oloro matters not really because the life is significant but because he gets you a life gain trigger each turn
>>93759754Calm down Vaush.We don’t want your fetish to be streamed to the world again. We can’t handle the mental damage.
>>93760117Just get Swiftfoot Boots and/or Lightning Greaves. Make your commander hexproof and you don’t have to worry anymore.
>>93759035>mtg "art" hanging around, unironically
>>93762022Jeleva feels like she has been power crept although I'm not sure exactly by what
>>93761334>he
>>93762271built for BZCcant wait to get my deck in the mailwill need to proxy tokens, but she looks so fucking fun
Beginner magic player here. I'm trying to come up understand wincons using Kruphix as my commander. I have a red-green beatdown deck, but I want to play something less aggressive that uses a combo wincon so I can kinda relax while assembling my pieces.Are the Simic Growth Chamber - Landfall - X infinite combos reliable? Are they fun to play against? Do they play to the strengths of Kruphix as a commander while not costing an arm and a leg?
>>93758186What was the point in printing flying?
>>93758523>political virtue signalingretard. political virtue signaling from trannies and corpo-bootlickers was the exact reason why so many people started to notice her.I don't know what makes a great artist, but I know that her art checks a lot of the old sword and sorcery fantasy boxes, and that alone elevates her above 99% of WotC's slop.
>>93762729>Wotc is now printing anti creature cardsSo what was the point of creatures?
>>93762669Helix Pinnacle and tons of mana generation. If you're worried about your deck being fun to play against, avoid infinites combos like the plague. Pretty much no one enjoys the game suddenly ending out of nowhere because people couldn't hold up mana for instant speed answers a single turn of the game, regardless of what happened before.
when does a deck cross the threshold of "high power" into "cEDH"?my only measurement at this point is the deck's cost>a few hundred dollars max? high power>$1000+? cEDHam I wrong?
>>93762773Do you want to win before turn 3 and built you deck to do that? Then it's cedh, simple as.
>>93762773cEDH is when the person only plays with meta decks and expect everyone to use it as well
>>93762773ceDH is certainly costly but really it's how the deck is built. If your deck aims to win asap with an infinite combo, it's ceDH. If you win through aggro, you are not ceDH, you're just bad at budgeting or blinging out your deck.
>woke up a minute ago feeling like a sickness is coming onIt's over
>>93762773Speed and consistency. That's literally it.
>>93762745Pretty much nobody enjoys infinite combos except for the people who play Cedh. Infinite combos are just a gateway to c edh
>>93762669"Fun to play against" is mostly a meme. Don't use it as a guide or objective for deck construction. It's ill-defined and too variable between players.You've already decided to play, based on your post, a non-interactive U/G combo deck. You're new so that still has the appeal of novelty. Few people with greater experience with the game are interested by the those lines of play and you probably won't be either after a few games. U/G is the safest and easiest way to play non-CEDH. You have access to efficient answers to any problem and generate card and mana advantage with minimal effort.Kruphix is just one of many generic U/G value commanders, thought at least the words "draw a card" aren't in the text box. If you're actually trying to play into the effect of stockpiling mana and cards then this suggestion >>93762745 is accurate.If you want to just combo out pick one of the other legends that say "do thing, draw card" and do the thing until you get to whatever Thoracle or Hullbreaker line or other infinite mana sink you choose like Walking Ballista.
>>93762969>"Fun to play against" is mostly a memeStopped reading there because anything that comes after is probably just bullshit
>>93762969>You've already decided to play, based on your post, a non-interactive U/G combo deck. You're new so that still has the appeal of novelty.Well, I'm a little tired of crazy board states, and trying to guess whether or not some random piece is padding the deck or a key portion of their gameplan.I want to focus on assembling combo pieces while dealing with hate coming my way. I certainly don't want to play "gotcha" if my wincon is an infinite combo - explaining that objective so they know the pieces of disrupt.> If you're actually trying to play into the effect of stockpiling mana and cards then this suggestion >>93762745 is accurate.I would definitely like to do that because mana banking seems like something really novel to build around.
>>93761091I've seen Yurlok as a "no durdling allowed" deck that used a lot of goad. Leans more into a group hug that hurts build.
>>93761172I hate cards like that. I always feel bad about cutting them, but they're the first on the block since they've never performed.
>>93762952But I use several $200 anime versions of $0.20 cards in my deck, that literally makes them 1000x as powerful. Are you saying my $3000 deck isn't cEDH?
>>93762773Imagine the chart of deck quality having an x-axis going from bad to good, and a y-axis going from weak to strong.The x-axis is largely determined by deck construction, things like does the deck have a coherent plan, how robust is that plan, how well can it enact that plan, how well can it respond to threats, can it pivot to an alternate path when its main plan is impeded, how compact is its game plan/how many cards does it need in play to take a swing at winning, and how consistently does the deck perform.The y-axis is mostly about the quality and power of individual cards, like running more efficient/cheaper versions of important effects, running very efficient cards in general, cheap tutors to increase consistency, fast mana to increase speed, running more compressed cards (i.e. cards that can do multiple relevant things depending on need), or do them in better ways, and running individual power cards that can potentially win all on their own.The average EDHrec oops all staples pile would be a bad but strong deck, as it probably runs a shitload of mostly disjointed value pieces and free spells that eventually snowball into one winning 1-2 card combo or another. Such a deck can certainly win with good regularity, but it's still not going to be a well constructed deck.A cEDH deck would be both good and strong, being a very consistent deck, with a robust plan, further strengthened and accelerated by highly efficient and individually powerful cards.Price is only insofar a factor as that strong, compressed, and efficient cards tend to be fairly expensive due to high demans. MDFCs are a good example, even though both sides tend to be individually rather weak or overcosted versions of their respective effects, they still sell for far above curve, because their flexibility counts for a lot.
>>93762979It's true. What players find fun is often nebulous and arbitrary; it's not something you should concern yourself with. Playing magic is fun, trying to conform to the imaginary whims of some hyperbolic autist is absolutely not fun.
>>93762773cEDH is defined more by ethos (and frankly better defined since its aims are unequivocal across players) which informs deck construction.> I am interested in winning as consistently and reliably as possible. My choice of deck and the cards in it is based purely on this principle, modified by my understanding of the game and my consistency with the chosen strategy. When playing it is expected that my opponents are likewise attempting to win the game as consistently and reliably as possible using optimal strategies and lines of play.Due to the cardpool, cEDH decks have homogenized around the most powerful and efficient cards and effects in the game going back over 30 years. Because Magic is fundamentally a resource management game, the best strategies, especially in a multiplayer, free-for-all setting with high life totals, are either to amass and deploy as many resources as fast as possible to find a concise victory condition, or to deny the rapid use of resources and break resource parity over time until an overwhelming advantage is acquired and/or a concise and efficient win is deployed from relative safety. Consider the top decks based on tournament data (TnK, RogSi, Nadu, Sisay, Magda) they all fall on that spectrum.The reason the decks are so expensive is that most of the cards that support that kind of play are still really fucking good when not doing that so they're in high demand from all but the most casual/contrarian of players or are used in other formats as well. Combined with some of them being very old and without reprints the costs skyrocket.The community typically gets around that by not giving a shit about proxies outside of official tournament play.Unfortunately, the tournament formats in the West have also created degenerate play patterns and metagaming concerns but that's another discussion.
>>93763191Just sounds like a good way to get kicked out of most groups desu. If this were competitive magic it's a different story, but EDH is supposed to be fun. If you intentionally play high salt mechanics I wouldn't expect to get invited back
>>93763285See, this is exactly what I mean. Anon arbitrarily decided what's fun and what's not, then tried to guilt trip me into obeying his made up rules with hypotheticals. There's no reason to concern yourself with the whims of crazy people; play what you want.
>>93762631I'd say that Jeleva has still a quite unique ability that it can still be played, and it also functions as a wincon, since she can exile all libraries, which is the main reason why I think she's relatively powerful.
>>93763285You seem to be making a common design misconception. Deck construction that is concerned with being "fun to play against" is building toward a nebulous, poorly defined goal which is usually frustrating and ultimately fruitless.What you described is building something that "is not unfun to play against" which is very different. Avoiding generally established negative play patterns is not difficult and building away from a better defined outcome or game state is actually possible. It's not perfect either but it's a lot easier and more likely to succeed.Most people prefer to win than to lose and find winning more fun than losing. There's no reason to try and design around their fun when it's a binary zero-sum outcome like that. It's better to just avoid things that are generally guaranteed to result in negative game states than try and build positive game states.
>>93763330Good luck finding anyone to play with then LOL, if you can't understand social contracts or understand what other people find enjoyable than frankly no one should play with you. I'm glad that everyone here can safely disregard your opinion
>>93762773I draw the line at whether the deck is running Thassa's, Ad Naus, or Underworld Breach combos and if the deck is running every available piece of fast mana.
>>93757257Could you post some pics ?
>>93763425NTA, but he's right. Worrying about what any amount of random strangers may or may not like is a futile endeavor. Some obvious pitfalls like MLD or stax are easy to avoid, but that's pretty much where it ends. I don't like playing or playing against mill, because I consider it a profoundly boring archetype, and I dislike tribal decks, because they're basically all the same linear game plan. Does that mean mill or tribal decks shouldn't be built? Obviously not.
>>93763013It may be a semantic difference but it doesn't really sound like you want to play combo. But I'm glad the other anon's suggestion seems to have provided some inspiration. Doppelgang is a pretty fun big X spell wincon too. Big mana clone effects in general can be a neat way to end a game without the sense of "gotcha" that a concise combo finisher usually causes and can be more interesting since they're not going to be the same results every game. Rite of Replication, Clone Legion, Saheeli's Artistry.Good luck, whatever you choose to do.
>>93758073No idea how this is just a uncommon. Is powercreep back on the table for the next set?
>>93763425Sure thing scrub anon. I have no way to know your made up rules that you refuse to elaborate on, why should I care? Playing magic is fun, trying to micromanage some passive aggressive autist's arbitrary hypotheticals is not fun. All you can do is guilt trip people who disagree with you, and I seriously doubt you're some authority on the subject given the content of your posts, so why should anyone care about what you think?
>>93763519Maybe I'm just not having fun playing my existing Gruul aggro/beatdown deck more than I want to play combo. And I want to use some of the Green monsters and ramp I already have.
>>93763618EDH and other tabletop games are a litmus test for being a person. If you intentionally go out of your way to do toxic things during the game then there's no reason for anyone to be around you because it's a sliver of understanding into your psyche. I'm not even bothering to read your posts because I know it's just going to be some toxic bullshit
>>93763156>but what if... special collector's art version?in that case, you are a retard who deliberately ignores the reasons behind high costs of cEDH decks and should everyone do a favor and kill yourself before you attempt another reply like the fool that you are.
>>93761141Never before in my many years of MTG i have seen someone malding at ninjutsu of all things, i guess there's a first for everything
>>93757394You posted ithttps://scryfall.com/search?q=type%3Alegendary+type%3Adragon&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc
>>93763837That's only because of Yuriko bullshit
>>93763184>>93763243>I am interested in winning as consistently and reliably as possibleI always thought constructed card games were only about this principle. Why would someone play with a deck that doesn't try to win consistently and reliably? Does that mean a <$100 budget deck can still be cEDH, despite running no expensive staple cards like mana crypt?Just asking because I don't remember ever seeing a cEDH deck under $1000.
>>93763844He said "regardless of commander" though, he's saying that ninjutsu itself is the problem
>>93763856For context, I'm >>93763184>Why would someone play with a deck that doesn't try to win consistently and reliably?Ask group hug players. Though more seriously, you can build your deck with that mindset, and just choose weaker cards, a lengthier win line, or a weaker gimmick. You'll still have a good deck, but it won't necessarily be strong.>Does that mean a <$100 budget deck can still be cEDH, despite running no expensive staple cards like mana crypt?Realistically no, because the cards with sufficient power to break into cEDH-tier deck strength are generally expensive. In theory, RDW used to be a fairly low cost archetype in non-EDH formats that saw pretty reliable success. Rarely in the top tiers, but it proves that on principle a deck can be good, strong, and relatively cheap.
Is she worth having as a backup wincon in an Azorius Superfriends deck?Yes, the deck is turbo cancer, but my lgs is in tryhard season as spergs try to optimize for magiccon
>>93763837Creatures with innate ninjutsu aren't a problem, but it the mechanic can be abused. Have you seriously never seen a Satoru player ninjutsu a Blightsteel colossus into play off an unblockable creature like picrel? Most people when they experience this will archenemy the Satoru player immediately. Kind of the same thing with Yuriko
>>93763887Yes, the one-trick pony of a deck with an extremely telegraphed gameplan does its trick sometimes. Satoru is a deck great at coming in third place, because you nuke someone and then get 2v1d with few defensive options. It's not a particularly good deck.
>>93763703You're just assuming random hypotheticals, calling things toxic, and trying to guilt trip people for playing things you dont like. You're being a crybully and no one should consider your opinions because they're based on your feelings. You wont even discuss the subject or identify what offends you. You are the exact reason people make fun of edh players.
>>93763887>Have you seriously never seen a Satoru player ninjutsu a Blightsteel colossus into play off an unblockable creature like picrel*taps 30yo land*
>>93763914>I always have it!
>>93763856Dont listen to them, they're making up random shit to justify whatever arbitrary point they're trying to prove. Every deck should have a gameplan and you should play every deck with the intention of trying your best. But to answer the long winded nonsense other anons are spoutint, cedh is really simple and consists of three components; you're playing fast mana, you have a gameplan that can win through multiple forms of free interaction (read: not necessarily a combo) and you're playing one of the strongest commanders in the format (read: not necessarily a top tier, but a commander that is an integral part of your gameplan that enables a game winning strategy). You can build a budget cedh deck for about $1000 but there are a few hyper budget options that make big sacrifices but can still win games if left alone.
I feel like "This card is fine because it makes you archenemy" isn't really good reasoning because it directly implies only one person will ever be running a card like that.The same as any card that just "dies to removal". Yes it's nice the card doesn't win the game the moment it resolves. No it's not nice a card singlehandedly forces everyone to play "do you have it" by itself. Especially when "it" starts becoming increasingly-specific outs because of inbuilt protection or recursion.
>>93763947>Dont listen to them, they're making up random shit to justify whatever arbitrary point they're trying to prove>reiterates every point they were makingReading not your strong suit?
>>93763874>you can build your deck with that mindset, and just choose weaker cards, a lengthier win line, or a weaker gimmick. You'll still have a good deck, but it won't necessarily be strong.this explains the difference between cEDH and casual pretty well
>>93763856>I always thought constructed card games were only about this principle. Why would someone play with a deck that doesn't try to win consistently and reliably?In commander, winning in the most optimized way usually means using lots of tutors to find the most efficient combo in your colors / deck archetype, which both makes individual games play out in a similar manner and makes different decks play in a similar manner. Lots of people play commander to see interesting interactions or play with their pet cards, not win with thassa's oracle every single game.
Command Zone at it again with the bad takes>mill is okay because that card you wanted could just as easily have been on the bottom of your deck! You’re just mad because you saw it and now it’s in the graveyard, play recovery!Mill is annoying because you’re dumpstering my deck at bargain prices. If you had to counter or destroy each of those cards as they hit the field it would be a way bigger resource investment for you. And yet somehow, instantly throwing them in the trash AND advancing a win con is cheaper than countering
>>93763950what point are you trying to makesome cards are OP and unfair and should not be played? I mean, sure, we can begin by banning bullshit mechanics like 0 mana cost equip, but then everyone will start to cry
Going to a few LGS's today to hopefully get the last pieces for Xanathar, can't wait
>>93763999>his graveyard isn't his second hand
>what is tempoall players should be forced to play 60 card formats at a competitive level for at least year before espousing any opinions on magic the gathering
>>93764026Is there a better constructed casual format than Commander?
>>93764026This but 40 card formats instead
>>93763995>Lots of people play commander to see interesting interactions or play with their pet cards, not win with thassa's oracle every single gamecasual edh is a such a fine line, I bring one sea monster tribal infinite mana combo with two jank tutors and my deck is already elevated three levels above the table's power level with everyone groaning
>>93763887Yeah that's a satoru problem, not a ninja problem dude. You're saying the mechanic is on par with anihhilator and should be forgotten because satoru exists
>>93763999actual 70iq take
>>93763999Retard trips.Just play a card to counter ever strategy ez
It really isn't that hard to just take whether or not a deck would be fun for others to play against while building. Why do you not get that a majority of people looking to play a casual game are not going to enjoy playing against certain types of decks. It's one thing if you have a bunch of enjoyable decks and then occasionally bring out the infinite combos, stax, land hate, or cedh level garbage occasionally for a game or two but if that's what you're playing most of the time people aren't going to want to play with you
>>93761141Mad about one of the most mild mechanics in the game?
>>93763878Sure, with a Smokestack
>>93763999Mill is fucking garbage in commander and you have 100 fucking cards you can do a bunch of different things with. Most of the time you aren't running a deck that NEEDS a specific card. There are actual things that are insufferable to play against in this format and you seethe over MILL???
>>93764012What is the appeal?
>>93763999The >it could have been any card and that card could have been anywhereIs the most retarded theory brained shit people say. Because it's flat out false. That card couldn't have been any card, and it couldn't have been on the bottom of my deck cause it was right there on top and I milled it. No, your retarded "theoretically" does not matter in the face of explicit reality.
>>93764161I love stealing things and beholders are cool
>>93764125Casual doesn't mean boring pussified games where you're all walking on eggshells cause everyone is afraid to upset your delicate sensibilities.
>>93763939>Yes.
>>93764088>picked up an OG foil of this a few years back>no idea what deck to run it in
>>93764194>not making it so others literally can't play the game or ending the game on turn 3 is walking on eggshellsWhy is the mind of the CEDH fag so warped?
>>93763901And your post is full of exactly what I predicted.Stopped reading there. Sorry buddy but you failed the litmus test. This will be my last reply to you but you should take the L
>>93763947Cedh is retarded, that's all anyone needs to know
>>93764217I don't play cedh :) I just enjoy fun challenges while I'm gaming. You're a fag anon, you have no competitive drive and no backbone. You are a weak worm of a man hoping he can guilt those around him into becoming weaker versions of themselves so your undeserved ego stays intact. Your shitty strawman green text holds absolutely zero weight. Your only chance is to start roiding bitch
>>93764217If you literally can't play the game then that counts as losing the game. It's no less legitimate a wincon than dropping to 0 life. Especially if running a color that isn't typically built to hit face, such as blue.
>>93764194Bro you're FUCKED lol who tf has this opinion
>>93764222People like you make me ashamed to play this game, knowing I will be compared to some pathetic pantywaist whenever it's brought up
>>93763827White woman spotted
>>93764217>>93764236Forgot my pic
Ninjutsu (not commander Ninjutsu) is in my top 5 mechanics of all time. It's the perfect match of flavor and mechanics.
>>93764239You haven't ever been able to make any points without ad hom, you lost this a long time ago. You're a bad person
>>93764238The VAST majority of people who play this game have that opinion. Most people wanna show up and throw down cards and not worry further. Sometimes they get impeded and sometimes they impede on others. That is how any competitive game works. And yes, even in it's casual form magic is a competitive game.
>>93764231>>93764236This is why no one wants to play with you. Take a shower amd go for a walk
>>93764198Only thought would be a Tayam stax deck and use this as a rest in peace that doesn't affect you
>>93764248That's the first reply I've made to you but I have read the chain and it's painfully clear you don't know what adhom means. Every post directly responded to your claims (addressing your argument), they then insulted you (justifiably). In order for an adhom to be present the first part has to have not happened.
>>93764249>The VAST majority of people who play this game have that opinion. This is wrong but you think it's true because it's your opinion
>>93764241*man
>>93764238I've been accused of underselling my "way too strong" deck after winning off a Revel in Riches.
>>93764249>Uhhh actually people like when I make it so they can't play the game!!!! You're retarded. A few years back we had a guy play Urza control and nobody was having fun. Everyone at the shop straight up told him either he has to get a new deck or people weren't going to play with him anymore.
>>93764251I have a regular pod that meets once, sometimes twice a week and I have a few regulars at the LGS who always hold a spot for me if I'm running late.>>93764259I think it's true because I have traveled all over north America and parts of Europe playing in LGS's all over the world with all different types of people. My pool that I'm collecting actual experience and data from is far larger than yours. Actual magic enjoyers love the challenges different boardstates bring, they like the game of figuring out when is the best time to cast things and what the best thing to cast is. Post a single picture of you playing at a table with real people and I will continue this conversation
>>93764256>In order for an adhom to be present the first part has to have not happened.Wrong retard
>>93764251Sounds like projection to me>>93764267Urza control is bullshit because Urza is a retardedly pushed pack seller, not because his strategy itself is bullshit. That's like complaining about RDW in modern right after JotC prints a 5/5 haste for R.
>>93764267That's cool! We have a decently competitive urza deck at my main lgs and we all love playing against it :) sounds like none of you actually enjoy magic and are all deathly low on testosterone
>>93764276>Post a single picture of you playing at a table with real people and I will continue this conversationLooking forward to you not continuing this conversation
>>93764277No... the literal definition of an adhom is ignoring an argument and instead attacking the character of the one making the argument. If you address and respond to the argument you're just insulting the person :)
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>>93764056>Arixmethes infinite mana combogay>Arixmethes counter removal typalbased
>>93764335*tribalsorry, forgot for a second that I'm not a tranny
>>93764427*typalYeah I pretended to be a chud for a second there
>>93764442right on sister!
>>93763999Don't open this image anon
>>93763827Based honestly can't wait to unbox his deck today. Costco was so based selling the deck collection for $160
>>93765392He's a shit card desu but a good (and handsome) boi
