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>>93790682Clown incoming.
>Destroys your plumbing>Destroys your meta
>core mechanics have been given to every other color>main identity of good creatures is irrelevant and every other color creature mogs it>+1/+1 counters is a complete meme>auras are a complete meme>the only time its relevant in any format is to enable some form of lands strategy>green devotion in pioneer, the most green deck in any format, lives and dies on nykthos being legalhow do we save green?
>>93790736Nykthos already keeping that shit archetype alive. Fuck Forests, Fuck ramp and fuck Green.
>>93790736Go back in time and force Wizards to to properly balance creatures and removal
>>93790736give green lands with good abilities. it's dumb that every time they print lands with abilities they do a whole fucking rainbow of them. no, green should get extra utility out of their lands that other colors don't get access to. make them forests too, why not
>>93790766>Goes back in time>Gets hit by Prime Titan into 4 Valakut triggers for 18 damage on Turn 3I'd prefer we not go back on time
>>93790736Reprint crop in standard.
>>93790736>color is good at creatures>powercreep kicks in>every color gets "you must answer me or you lose" creatures for 1-2 mana>color becomes irrelevantthe consequences of powercreep to sell cardboard crack
>>93790817this would be the single fastest way to destroy modern as a format
whats worse: white apologyst or green apologysts?
>>93790736Big Green Nigga 20243GTrample, haste, vigilance, reachWard - Sacrifice an untapped landWhen ~ enters the battlefield or attacks, choose one:• Exile target noncreature, nonland permanent.• Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to target creature you don't control.• Gain 7 life.• Target player shuffles their graveyard into their library.• Create a 3/3 green Elk creature token with reach.5/6
>>93790901>apologyst
>>93790909Pic rel did fucking nothing to any format and you expect that to be any good?
So now that the dust has settled, who's ready for death race set?
>>93790882>>93790817maybe instead you force it to be forest-centric to keep it green-relevant?(G)>Choose one:>Sacrifice a Forest: Search your library for a non-Forest land and place it onto the battlefield. Shuffle your library.>Sacrifice a non-Forest land: Search your library for a Forest and place it onto the battlefield. Shuffle your library.
>>93790959Exactly, we need to power creep it. Lower cost, haste, ward, ETB trigger, more powerful abilities.
>>93790909if this were red, black or blue this creature would be 1 mana
>>93791001If it were black, it would be called Big Black Nigger
>>93791001>>93791010Really putting our ten pound brains to work today, huh?
>>93790736Not only green, but the game in general needs more cards with triple pips and spells that count how many of one particular land type you have.
>>93791134It's tricky to have triple pips if 2-drops end the game
>>93791134>spells that count how many of one particular land type you haveBarely matters anymore since between shocks, surveils, and triomes it feels like most of your lands have basic land types
Kino
Kino!
K-I-N-O
KINO
I FUCKING KNEEL FROM THE KINO OVERLOAD
fuck, the shills woke up again. see ya tomorrow guise
Do collector booster price increase significantly? Was thinking of getting two opening one and keeping the other for resale in a couple years for Bloomburrow.
>>93791319i don't think new mtg holds its price very well at all
>If a triggered ability of a permanent you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.Well it should have been expected, they ran out of conditional trigger option.
If Capcom can redeem Street Fighter after SF5, WotC can surely redeem Magic after FIRE.
>>93791426None of the recent shit does I believe it, but I think bloomburrow is popular enough. The random hasbro ip garbage I didn’t even bother getting booster for.
New cycle of dual land
>>93790736Make Enchantress Great For Once.
>>93791482There has to be a deck these are good in, right? Something that has a really strong opener but then peters out into the mid and late game, maybe?
>>93790736dont commanderfags cry about green all the time because of pic rel?
>>93791493Decks with strong openers want their lands to ENTER untapped when their opponent has 20 life.
>>93791493They'll probably do stuff in Pauper at least.
>>93791439Standard's window would need to be overhauled.Pioneer, Modern, and Legacy (fuck you Vintage is a fake format) would need over 300 cards added to the banlist.Capcom is capable of sometimes realizing people like it when they put the patties on the grill.WotC struggled with this their entire lifespan, and hasn't realized this a single time since 2019.
>>93791439SF6 has the luxury of completely redesigning things with a new foundation. Magic is far more beholden to its past.
>>93791439nice bait
>>93791243I know this is a more expensive flicker, but does red have any ETB triggers that can exploit this?
>>93791569https://scryfall.com/search?q=c%3Dr+f%3As+o%3A%22when+~+enters%22+r%3Eu&unique=cards&as=grid&order=nameyes but they're expensive
>>93791439The issue being that we're still not in the "after FIRE" stage. And we never will be, after the performance of MKM.
>>93791428>there have been 13 of these in the last two years alone.
>>93791569Warstorm Surge or similar ETB enchantment
>>93791230You think this card could be remotely playable in something like Midrange jund or similar?
>>93791482slowpoke.pngSo what's the name of this new cycle? My vote is for lucky lands.
>>93791861Tweenlands, obviously. Even though 13 isn't tween, it sounds suitably insulting which is only proper.
>>93791861Fridaylands
>>9379186113LifeOrLessLandssimply because they are common draftchaff dogshit that no one should bother giving a nickname because they are irrelevant in 95% of situations
>>93791861lowlands
>>93791861They are shit i don't know why they deserve a name
>>93791902
alright, chat helping streamers out during a draft or whatever is simply unfair.
>>93792019You must stream then anon LUL
>>93792019How do they help? Any streamer big enough to care about has a substantial delay to prevent getting sniped.
Alright you cheeky FUCKS.With more and more testing I"m settling into the true Skeletons gameplan: Tested more aggressive, more interactive, more hard-hitting, more value plans against many lists now and have felt things out.It's a tempo deck. Ruthless Aggression era shit. Somewhere between Sligh and Midrange. Focus on speed, with interaction to chop through walls and recursion to brute force our way through everything else.Unfortunately, that means Roots is out. It may still be a viable sideboard option against decks that are trying to grind you out, though. Being able to Scrabble our own creatures to get Plants was fun.The tempo setup means Mournwillow becomes more valuable. Scrabbling Claws gets artifacts into the 'yard. Case is an Enchantment that dumps itself. We have instants and sorceries and creatures, and Fields. We can hit Delirium sometimes, whichi s cool. What matters most though is one word: "Haste"I like the deck. More upgrades to come!Great idea on the Roots. Sad it didn't work out, just felt like a dead card more often than not.
>>93791861Idk I don't think "Thirteen Lands" sounds bad
>>93791902>>93792129The Thirteen Lands of Scooby-Doo!>there are only ten of them
This set deserves a good manland.
>>93791861>>93791947Lowlands is sensible.
>>93791861pedolands, obviously
>>93792216>13 or underbig oof
>>93792216lol>>93792226>13>tooold.jpg
>>93792216KEK I'm stealing this if I ever see one
>>93792216put me in the screencap
>>93791210everytime i ser this card i have the impression it will lead to some combo/loop that will be disgusting... but maybe is just me
>>93792216DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!
>>93792216>13 or less
>>93791861>>93792216Okay so given that they're in the horror set, how about Creepy lands, or CP lands for short
>>93792121No Smuggler's Copter or Mutavault?
>>93792121Feels weird to see a skeleton deck without Skeletal Swarming
>>93792328Mutavault is a top consideration, but we really want fast lands that can reach the colors we need.That said, I could probably drop the Field of Ruins for Mutavaults. Seems like a sound plan, given the Scrabbling and Hearse cover our Crime triggers more than well enough.Good suggestion. Will test.>>93792344>Feels weird to see a skeleton deck without Skeletal SwarmingThe 5 mana is just too slow for maindeck but we absolutely have it in the sideboard. The card is cracked for blowing the fuck out of midrange decks, they just can't compete.
Mournwillow is extremely good.Rot Farm Skeleton mills alongside our spray of artifacts and enchantments mean we easily get Delirium, and that blcok clause really, seriously shits on people who finally think they have some breathing room.Sad to see Roots go as this is another plant in the maindeck, but honestly as far as midrange wincons go I think Swarming just does what Roots is doing far, far better.
>>93792216This. A name WotC wouldn't dare touch but accurate
>>93790736>Green repeatedly steals White mechanics for years on top of insane card draw for simply existing>”Aw jeez bruhz how do we save green?”Remind me again how many mono white cards have been banned in Standard since Dominaria?
>>93792561what white mechanics did green steal?
Dont interact with white schizo.
>>93792607Disenchant became Naturalize like, 20 years ago?
>>93792607Everything White ever did was stolen and done more interestingly by another color
>>93790901You're spellyng
>>93792684man I remember first getting into mtg and everyone who was already into it told me it was the boring and gay color where you play lame humans and gay cats.
>>93792723Now every color is gay humans and lame cats!
>>93792216Supremely based.
>>93791861I immediately went with pastalands because the flavor text all reads like bad creepypasta.
Does /mmg/ have an opinion on this retarded Twitter drama?tl;dr Urza's Saga textless is going for $200+, a store running an event with Saga as the first place prize wants to restrict entry to local players and prevent grinders who have never played there from showing up and winning.
>>93793156>tl;dr Urza's Saga textless is going for $200+, a store running an event with Saga as the first place prize wants to restrict entry to local players and prevent grinders who have never played there from showing up and winning.Good. Fuck stinky grinders who clog your toilets. Keep local culture healthy.
>>93793156>He doesn't think his local players can win if other people show upI would be pissed if I found out my LGS owner was dissing me like that
>Instant speed>Kills nearly everything in the format>Juicy crime loopsI believe I found the perfect piece of removal for Skelebros. It was quite the search.
>>93793320We have a 10-mile race in my city every year. And every year in my lifetime, the winner has been either Kenyan or Ethiopian.
I love this nigga so damn much.
>>93793156It doesn't even seem like they're barring grinders from participating? They're just giving a discount to locals. Certainly not illegal, and imo not immoral. If someone ran an event for just their friends, they wouldn't be obligated to invite strangers. In this case they've effectively opened it up to strangers, just for a fee.
>>93793156>$300 entrance fee before the unspecified discount for local playersWell that's one way to keep out the n'wah
The schizos are having a breakdown about arena again.
>>93793425Where?
>99% of the time Thoughtseize is just used to take removal so they can't stop your combo>The other 1% of the time, it's used to take your Thoughtseizefucking retarded card man
>>93793444Arena general.
>>93793547Oh, well I don't really care what happens there
>>93793354I had a ton of fun with this guy in standard
>>93793483You forgot about the other 1% of the time where it's used to put me down 2 life and make my Death's Shadow a powerful boy
>>93790682This is the actual previous thread you dolt.>>93784026If you're going to make an early thread before we hit bump limit at least get the previous thread right.
>>93791243>Went from Neandertal to rapperYeah, this is Niko
>>93792121I think if you play 12× 2/1 skeles then you can have at least goldfish of 1 drop into 2 1 drops into corpses for 14 damage on turn 3. And the rest of the deck can be dedicated for winning a longer game if that doesn't happen.
>>93791569Resetting Kumano comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVjk5nrb_lIAlright then my boner bros, my marimba aficionados!I think Skeletons is approaching a real, finalized proper testworthy decklist.I underestimated Skeletal Swarming as just a pure Overrun effect, but a few more tests with it in the main and one "I swing for 60 with trample" later, I think a 1-of is in the main deck is comfortable. We can always tutor for it with Case, so we don't need more.A single Tinybones has also made the cut. He's good at grinding, what can I say.Going back and forth between Scrabbling Claws and Deathrite Shaman. Claws has the lead right now as it can Crime even when an opponent's graveyard is empty.Hopefully I can have a full sideboard and primer/matchups report in time for Halloween.
>>93793985>I think if you play 12× 2/1 skeles then you can have at least goldfish of 1 drop into 2 1 drops into corpses for 14 damage on turn 3. And the rest of the deck can be dedicated for winning a longer game if that doesn't happen.I agree in part and am always fiddling with pieces. Moss-Pit is a very tentative slot and Gutterbones might end up settling into the list in the end.If Gutterbones had the "Can't block" restriction instead of ETB tapped, it'd be a no-brainer. But Moss-Pit's kicker dumping out a 6/5 with haste has one many games already. Things are getting tight now, so every inclusion is a sacrifice somewhere else.
-2 Mournwillow+2 GutterbonesYeah, now that you mention it we probably do want a few more 1 drops. Gutterbones sucks that he can never haste out with Corpses of the Lost, but fast curve-outs more often probably make up for that.A 3-mana haster vs a 1-mana 2/1 is similar in terms of speed, the 2/1 winning out slightly.Mournwillow's blocking negation is huge for breaking through, but the benefit of having Demonic Tutor stapled to the ass end of some of your creatures means we can just run one of it and grab it when it is relevant.
Ignore the above list. The thoughts about faster skeles came in while I was posting it, and prompted me to make a few slight adjustments.Moss-Pit is good as a 5-mana haymaker, but we don't need four of them. Those kinds of cards can sit comfortably in the 3-of slot, being found later in the game as needed. And a bit more rejiggering as noted above.Thanks for all the thoughts bros. Still needs a lot of tests, and a real Sideboard, but it's feeling more like a real deck with each update.
the only LGS in my town closed down last weekI'm finally free
>>93794171>Deck just happens to have no double pips.>HEY BRO IT'S JEGANTHA I HEARD YOU'RE HAVING A PARTY, I INVITED MYSELF
what are some fun cards with crazy effects like this i could put in my commander deck for my play group?
>>93794290Looks like you got the wrong address, bud.The leather club's three doors down.>>93786082
>>93794290Wrong general>>93786082
What is a good reasonably priced booster/collector pack with good chances at cards for green/blue? I want to gamble.
>>93794323Fuck you
>>93794290if you don't want to play magic: the gathering as richard garfield intended, you are not welcome on 4chan.
>>93794392With no card restrictions for ante?
>>93794388No thank you.
>>93794407Maybe you and I should settle it right here on the ring if you think you're so tough.
>>93794339modern horizons packs I guess??
>>93794405damn rightI WILL activate bronze tablet and you WILL like it
>>93794441In response I activate Amulet of Quoz
>>93794417I'm a top Lucha wrestler, bad idea hombre.
>>93794457I ante the top card of my library and cast Shahrazad
>>93792607VigilanceTokensStrong low cost creature cardsLifegainArtifact/enchantment exile effects Hexproof/Indestrucible effects AurasGraveyard RecursionAnthems for creatures
>>93794518You forgot>"The list goes on..."
>>93791861Bakerlands
>>93794518>Graveyard Recursionbwo?
>>93794581Regrowth is not Resurrection
>>93791243kys
I hope your rectum is ready.
>>93794586What green cards resurrect creatures? Green only gets creatures that bring themselves back, or stuff that brings lands back. Once in a while you'll get something like moldgraf monstrosity that actually reanimates creatures, but that's specifically for graveyard focused sets where everybody is bringing shit back.
>>93795065There have to be better cards to dink Nemesis with
>>93795065you're thinking too smallthis + discarding a couple or cards should be a one-shot for just 3 mana
>>93795065>>93795093Damn never even considered Nahiri's.Some redundancy too with Boros Reckoner.Response // Resurgance is a juicy 7cmc card to pitch to Wrath.
>>93795065
>>93790909>sunfalls you
>>93791210new time counter artifact one year after "Millenium Calendar"
>>93791467does this shift the Sellsword deck towards more rakdos, or is this guy too much worse than prowess/death trigger flingers?
>>93792216give em a cheekier name like DrakeLands and we're mainstream with puritans none the wiser
>tfw no stinky legacy gf
>>93793336fym "crimeloops"? saccing your own critters doesn't crime
>>93795594wait...forsaken minor repeated sac to kill shelly/anything opp has repeatedly? kinda based ig, but why does skele aggro want removal in the first place?
>yet another set revolving around an extremely parasitic mechanici'm so tired
>>93793156Stanley was involved in a cheating scandal and is pure scum.So of course he goes around looking for shops to try and fuck over.Other than that, there's no drama to be had. If the store wants to ban the worst forms of cheaters, rules lawyers, tantrum throwers, and assholes? Awesome.
>>93795578>ywn huff your legacy gf's stink after she wins a gpWhy even live
>>93795634What are you talking about? There are no parasitic mechanics in this set. Stop using parasitic for mechanics you don't like.
>>93793156this is based. these people are never the type to support a store.
>>93795654>legacy>gp>>93795578It's always the ones with the thick outlines around tired eyes
>>93795718Eerie is parasitic because there's a 90% chance we'll never see another room past this set. But that's okay because Eerie also functions like Constellation
>>93795718Every set has parasitic mechanics nowadays. If WotC invents a new mechanic, designs cards around that mechanic that don't work with non-mechanic cards, and then never touches the mechanic again, the mechanic has taken from the set without giving anything in return. It's parasitic.
>>93795743Eerie isn't parasitic because it functions even if they don't print more room card. Parasitic refers to mechanics like flying and tribal cards that only care about a specific type which require more similar cards to be balanced. Eerie being an ability word makes it more likely to be printed in a future set without the eerie name since every set has enchantments.
>>93795788Fun fact: in casual games, if you're strictly following the rules, you can't enter a dungeon if you don't actually literally own that offical dungeon card. If an opponent has a card that makes other players enter a dungeon (like, for example, an initiative effect) and you're not prepared for that, you're shit out of luck and don't get to dungeon crawl.This is not true for tournament games, however. The additional tournament rules allow dungeons to be represented by anything, like how tokens are.
JOKES ON THEM I WAS ONLY PRETENDING
>>93795788The last true parasitic mechanic was the ability word Corrupted from All Will Be One as it specifically requires poison counters which it can't provide. Most set care about mechanics in the set they debut leading to parasitic design but it is mostly for limited.
>>93795850Are you talking on a discord?
>>93795822>flying is parasitic Is first strike parasitic too?
>>93795847>in casual games>strictly following the rules>you can't enter a dungeon if you don't actually literally own that official dungeon card.It sounds to me like your casual group is completely brain damaged including yourself.
Is running Into the North, Rampant Growth, Sakura Tribe Elder, Cultivate, Flare of Cultivation and Kodama's Reach in every deck I have with any Green overkill? 6 cards seems reasonable for mana fixing.
>>93795891Flying is parasitic in the sense that it requires other flying cards in the same set for it to work as intended and green specifically calls it out by name with reach and its destruction spell. First strike on the other hand works fine as one off due to it only acting as a deal damage first mechanic compared to flying and horsemanship working as an unblockable unless you have another card with the same mechanic.
>>93795949Hurricane doesn't make flying parasitic, flying makes Hurricane parasitic
>>93795822>Parasitic refers to mechanics like flying and tribal cards that only care about a specific type which require more similar cards to be balanced.What? That's not what parasitic means. A parasitic mechanic is something that only really works with cards in a particular set/block and future sets likely won't revisit it, at least not in a reasonable time frame. Energy is one of the most egregious examples. Until MH3, an energy deck was, by necessity, mostly cards from KLD/AER because that's where all the cards that generated and used energy came from.Flying is definitely not a parasitic mechanic, it's a fucking evergreen keyword. Tribal effects can be somewhat parasitic depending on how specific the tribe is. Like, human/merfolk/zombie/goblin/elf/angel/dragon/etc. tribal effects are generally not parasitic because those tribes show up all the time, but something like ninja tribal can be somewhat parasitic since ninjas only show up rarely outside of Kamigawa.What makes Eerie parasitic is the reference to Rooms. They're not gonna print a card with "Eerie" in a set with no Rooms, even if it would still technically function. If you strip out the reference to Rooms, then you've cured the parasitism, but you've also just printed Constellation by another name.
>>93795962Flying is printed on so many green destruction spells because they realized early on how parasitic flying can be. Hurricane isn't really parasitic since it can act as a player damage spell with the damage flying creatures being trinket text.
>>93795949The trick here is that flying and associated effects can and have been printed consistently since introduction. Horsemanship was only printed in one janky set and then on a couple meme cards two decades later. Theoretically, horsemanship could've been made non-parasitic if it got as much continued attention as flying, but it didn't.
>>93796000>>93796012Fun times playing a heavily Shadow-based black deck in casual games during Odyssey block and having new people read Tempest cards and go "what the fuck?!"
>>93795983The exact definition of Parasitic is "It refers to a mechanic or theme that only works with cards from the set it is in." Flying is parasitic in design since it doesn't work without other flying cards to keep balanced but since it is evergreen it can't become parasitic compared to its copy Horesmanship.Eerie isn't parasitic because it will always work with all future sets with the room text being made for limited and just being trinket text in any other set. Ability words are for drafters to quickly see cards the share a mechanic but not a keyword.
>>93796061You're utilizing two different measures of parasitic at once. Going by both definitions, Flying would be parasitic in design, but non-parasitic in practice due to being evergreen. Eerie is non-parasitic in design due to also working with regular enchantments, but parasitic in practice because of the reference to Rooms. You call it "trinket text" but that's exactly why it'll never get printed in a set without Rooms. You'll just get Constellation (with or without the ability word) instead because WotC isn't going to bother with the Room text.
>>93796138This entire conversation is making me wonder how subjective the term is
>>93796153It's not subjective, it's being used incorrectly.
>>93796138For what it matters I agree with your take and it should be the default take that whatever things are in practice should determine be how the word parasitic is used.Cards that referenced Eldrazi were parasitic after ROE until years later when Eldrazi started showing up everywhere at which point Eldrazi ceased to be parasitic. Eldrazi may be parasitic still as much as cards that reference zombies are but holy shit nobody is going to agree with that definition of parasitic. And anybody who does can fuck off.
>>93792109aggressively untrue
>>93793547that is all they do over there. I've considered not making thread anymore, wait for all the schizo to commit suicide, then start again.
>>93796153>a mechanic or theme that only works with cards from the set it is inThat definition is clear. Key examples are energy and arcane. The one guy is trying to extend it to designs that COULD be parasitic if they were relegated to a single set. To his credit, he is kinda speaking to a nuance in the term. That is, the difference between something parasitic largely because the flavor is overly specific to the set and something that's parasitic simply because it got dropped, even if the flavor is broad. I suppose you could also have a third category of something that's parasitic because it's too big and heavy of a mechanic to casually include outside of a dedicated set (e.g. energy).
>>93792216P Diddy Lands
The kino that could've been
>>93791861shadowlands
>>93790736There's no saving it short of starting a whole new game with new cards and having a design philosophy where you absolutely do not have power creep or pie breaks, and you hard limit the max color a deck can be to 3 with explicit and ironclad rules about dual and tri color decks (set amount of creatures, only allied tris, etc).Basically a bunch of shit that would make contemporary magic babies shit and piss their pants, even if it was an offshoot self contained brand that allowed no cross over outside of extremely rare well designed cards.Magic is a 30 year old dumpster fire. Even if you extinguished the flames all you'd be left with is a bunch of soggy garbage. There is no saving it.
>>93792775And everyone loves them now!
this is a really dumb question that got me curious after watching a video showing people cheating in tournaments, if in a game I see the opponent shuffling my deck in a weird way, like the cards are almost visible, feels like he's holding the top cards in place, am I allowed to cut my own deck before drawing or no, after the opponent shuffle the way it is is what I get?
>>93796455"From the Tournament Rules (May 13, 2024—Outlaws of Thunder Junction) 3.10 Card Shuffling Decks must be randomized at the start of every game and whenever an instruction requires it. Randomization is defined as bringing the deck to a state where no player can have any information regarding the order or position of cards in any portion of the deck. Pile shuffling may not be performed other than once each at the beginning of a game to count the cards in the deck. Once the deck is randomized, it must be presented to an opponent. By this action, players state that their decks are legal and randomized. The opponent may then shuffle it additionally. Cards and sleeves must not be in danger of being damaged during this process. If the opponent does not believe the player made a reasonable effort to randomize their deck, the opponent must notify a judge. Players may request to have a judge shuffle their cards rather than the opponent; this request will be honored only at a judge’s discretion."As with most tournament things, if something's fishy, call a judge.
>>93796455>>93796544Judges should be the ones to shuffle decks in top high level play.I'm shocked this still hasn't been implemented.
>>93790736Unlucky lands?
>>93796613It's a liability issue. In older formats the decks are worth thousands of dollars even before you get into foils and rare printings, so you don't want to implement a rule that requires an event employee to regularly handle them. It's dubious that it's okay to have a rule stating that another player gets to handle your cards, and mandating judges to do it is another level of risk that WotC wants to avoid.
>>93796981You have to go under 13, so they're pedolands
>>93797038
>>93796061>if flying was only printed in sets once every five years it would be parasitic>but that isn't the case, so it isn't>but it's somehow parasiticholy retard
>>93796261You don't know how badly I wish they would stop fucking around and just create a universal stocking counter so we could stop dealing with all of these different worthless parasitic counters. Oil counters are the most obvious one that comes to mind. I know they don't want to just use charge counters for everything because they're supposed to be restricted to artifacts, but why the fuck not? It would make it so that there's some actual design/brewing space for shit outside of just being able to proliferate.
>>93797143It's one thing if you create a special type of counter for one card to make the ability more flavorful, but I agree. At the very least, they shouldn't make a set-wide counter/token mechanic unless it's going to be used in more than one set.
>>93797038>>93797070You got me there, bro.
Have there been no previews today yet? That's strange.
>>93791439>>93797376Terry Bogard to be the next legend?https://scryfall.com/card/sld/432/zethi-arcane-blademaster
>>93797387I think if any fighting game got a rep besides Street Fighter it'd be Tekken. Mainsteam audiences just kind of... Know Tekken. Mortal Kombat is big too but probably more overtly incompatible with Magic.
>>93797380They usually start around this hour or about 4 hours from now. They're really slow-rolling them though, it seems. We only got like two people previewing yesterday.
>>93797432>probably more overtly incompatible with Magic.Eh, that hasn't stopped them before.
>>93797443I don't think either is likely, Street Fighter is probably the most we'll see any time soon.
>>93797432I wish for big tiddy one arm eye patch samurai.
>>93797488If anybody'd get a card it'd be the guy who already is playing Magic.
>Overlord of the Boilerbilgeif anyone can translate from moon runes
>>93797559Overlord of the Boilerbilge 4RREnchantment Creature - Avatar HorrorImpending 4 - 2RRWhen this ETB or attacks, deal 4 damage to any targe 5/5
>>93797559>>93797567I suppose this is about as close to FTK we are going to get in Standard so I'll take it.
>>93797592
>>93797567That feels like easily the worst of the ones shown so far, yeah?
>>93797559And as always the black card of the cycle is the best LMAO
>>93797559this one you'd prefer to hardcast pretty often, no?
>>93797612interesting take, since it hasn't been revealed yet
>>93797603Eh, this is a 2-of in most Standard red decks that aren't just a 1 / 2 CMC simulator. Midgame removal or endgame burn, or both.
>>93797627i.e. no standard decks at all
Why the fuck has my wishlist doubled in price overnightWhat happened
>Liliana went to WitherbloomWhere's my GB Lili, Wizards?
>>93797559>>93797567>We have Inferno Titan at home
>>93797559can any red deck play this card nowadays? i mean considering every red deck right now is small creatures that grow and hit the face and also hit when die
>>93797699Just because she went to Witherbloom doesn't mean she had Green. The 2 deans of each of the faculties were mono-colored after all.
>>93797763Gruul ramp is a thing but i'm not sure how it beats multiple sweepers
>>93795578Is that the main girl?
>>93797699I don't want a GB Liliana, but I would like a Liliana card showing her in a schoolgirl uniform.
I want Garruk back.
>>93797822Maro seems to at least openly acknowledge and say he'll be back eventually, but who knows when. Would NOT be surprised if he's the one walker for Lorwyn, having decided "fuck humanity I'm gonna go here". I'm also not 100% sure he's still sparked, as of the Lorwyn 5, we only have 2 yet to be confirmed (Lili and him) and he feels the likeliest to be desparked.
>>93797868Actually wait I suppose Foundations "basically" confirms Liliana is still sparked (and really why wouldn't she be, after Jace and Chandra she was always gonna be the absolute likeliest one).
>>93797885>what few consequences there were from mom are now slowly being undone
>>93797902is Jaya alive yet?
>>93797902>The desparking affected some walkers>That some walkers weren't affected is things being undone>This also implies the desparking was an actual consequence in the first place and not just a thing barely anybody seems to care about in-universe except fucking Niko
>>93797885Why wouldn't she get her spark back Wizards needs to be able to reprint Liliana of the Veil again
>>93797924>backShe never lost it.
>omenpaths could've been used to focus the story around non-planeswalker characters like thalia >instead the story is still focused around planeswalkers except they take omenpaths to other planes instead of planeswalkinglmao
>my opponent has assembled a combo involving a Gideon of the trials and a bunch of enchantments>can't lose emblem and his enchantments have shroud, including one that prevents Gideon from dying>he has no cards in library and can't activate Gideon - literally can't do anything but pass the turn>I have removal spells and endurance, so while I can't kill him, I can prevent myself from decking tooCalled it a draw and moved on to next, but was wondering if in a tournament setting what might've happened? Do one or both of us get penalized for not progressing the board state / stalling? Does he win because the emblem states that I cannot?
>>93798112At some point you will be forced to take a different action
What kind of ridiculous effect is this for three fucking mana?
>4x wrath of god>4x split upimagine trying to play creatures in the year of 2024
>>93798386jesus christ this is obscenewhy would you even print this when you don't print any kind of mana denial anymore?
>>93798124the only option he had was float mana - he couldn't lose but had no library and negative health. I could still pretend to play by sacrificing and killing my own creatures then shuffling them back into deck. If that would've decided the game then I assume I could've technically come out on top then
>>93791210>Tone ... deaf, setting ... imploded, magic ... obliterated.Give me my paladin en vec and hypnotic specter boards this is getting pathetic and I want to leave.
>>93798084>3 WHOLE YEARS ON NEW CAPENNAGet your head examined.
>>93798522you can leave whenever you want, anonyou'll be happier without all this shit anyway
>>93798522Sovl died in 1994
>>93798386it's balanced because Atraxa has Vigilance
>>93798431>choosing to lose to Indestructiblelol? we still have lockdown and sunfall, grandpa
>>93798566I don't mind the magic cannon, but this is clearly a Ninja Turtle with Elf ears
Where the fuck are value boosters? Did wizards cancel them? If not then where are they being sold? I wanted to buy a couple for the meme but I haven't been able to find them at my FLGS or Walmart or anywhere.
>>93798566Yeah nothing says magic like crt monitors. Trying to make an equivalence to rocket launchers to the millennial core liminal horror bullshit watzy is peddling is just retarded.>Now our heroes are trapped in the oh so scary backrooms while a 80s pop song is playing, but where is the noise coming?!
>>93798622Yeah TVs in magic means the game’s gone
>>93798622True. Modern MTGs flavor is being ruined by mindless pandering to genre by marketing executives, and retarded players who grew up on fast talking YouTube cartoons are lapping it up because they have no sense of theme or aesthetic. They are poisoned by irony and memes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4faZknPDhOY
>>93798386I'm glad to have a replacement for Temporary Lockdown after rotation. Now just have to hope they print some threatening sweepers to take over for White Sun's and Sunfall.
>>93798647I'd maybe agree with this if we stayed on Dominaria the whole time instead of world hopping since three modern border was introduced.
Nice un-set jotc
>>93798647Everything is UB now. The age of the hyperreal and meta references is upon us.Continue to consume simulacra slop and ask no questions.
>>93798696great mechanical flavor (she's prepping her jump just like a cheerleader would), and there's plenty of sports, and thus cheerleaders, in the multiverse (Mage Tower comes to mind)
>>93798696Holy shit this card makes no senseSomething must have gone VERY wrong during development>Survivors have names like Winter or Sunset because they don't know what it means anymore>Cheerleading is still a thing btw>"I used to cheat death every day in practice. This is nothing" Did the house swallow you out of nowhere one day? Are you an omenpathwalker? Why are your clothes so clean?This is the real horror of the set. The cognitive dissonance. The nonsensical cards.Absolutely LUDO Maro, *clap* *clap* *clap*
>>93798729not to mention ofc that cheerleaders and college culture is huge in horror movies
>>93798744Anon are you ok?
imagine thinking Split Up is a playable card
>>93798696Modern MTG in a nutshell
>>93798757This is just lamer Ezuri in elfball decks
Why the FUCK didn't I buy Chrome Mox when it was $15
>>93798759or a Standard card, as they say
>>93798744>Did the house swallow you out of nowhere one day?That's pretty much what happens, yeah. Some people might be more recent arrivals.
how come enchantment creatures look just like regular creatures? are they just relying on the frames?
>>93798759With the Llanowar Elves reprint coming in Foundations, I wouldn't be surprised if they print more Elf cards to try to make Elves a thing in Standard and maybe Pioneer. We do still have Leaf-Crowned Visionary for another whole year, remember?
>>93798729Magic: the gathering ... ?
>>93793813thread was at bumplimit, lmao
>>93798777>>93798744the house is able to make doors to other planes and set traps to lure people in. Since the Omenpaths, there's so many people coming in, the house is actively killing people in large numbers now, since it has a constant supply of new people to feed off of.
>>93798767Whoa, that's a nice little pump
>>93798793"There could be joggers around here" - Survivor's Journal
>>93798793I mean, outside of Theros, the visual difference between a regular creature and an enchantment creature is kind of vague.
Sad that BLB didn't have fish or insect synergy.
>>93798839I guess this confirms "when one or more creature Survive,"
They're really trying to make combat tricks viable again, huh.
>>93798839Yeah I was hoping for some spiders, but we're gonna get some spiders in dsk at leat.
>>93798854>no Tramplewhat is this? a combat trick from 2012?
>>93798757I hate elves and Tyvar so much is unreal...
>>93798854>+3>With the fucking amount of shit that goes to face after die>Also now leaves a creature behindThey are crazy and they love RDW...
>>93798803They should put Archdruid in standard again. Until then were stuck with Circle of Dreams Druid, which is a tier below
>>93798861With stuff like heartfire hero that doesn't even matter, those two alone makes it a 5/2 that deals 5 even if it gets blocked. Spending 1 mana for a 2/2 that mills and 1 mana for a lava axe is pretty good.
>>93798865tyvar carried the duskmourn story single-handedly
>>93798854>laughs in cacophony scampwhat the actual fuck
Hell, even if you somehow had a 3/3 blocker turn 1, t1 HH into t2 rage + inside out means a 8/3 trampler that will deal 5 on the swing and 8 more on death, plus it makes a 2/2 after. Absolutely nobody is beating rdw with blockers nowadays.
>>93798854>>93798861Hearthfire+Rage+that new thing is pretty good and that's just a turn 2 play
>>93798920>add another one to the "you must be able to exile creatures" list for control
>>93798696>Smile and optimism GONEI bet watzy has a barista setting in their sleeves.
>>93798854noice>>93798883get rekt by aggro fag
So... Now we can only play white exile removal to defeat red right?
>>93798884Pioneer elves is a ways off unless they print a bunch of missing pieces in Foundations.
Scamp is literally going to $10+Ss this
>a bunch of people complain that combat tricks are bad>wotc makes them good>a bunch of people complain that combat tricks are goodyou get what you fucking deserve
>>93798951It needs Archdruid, two 1 mana dorks, heritage druid, Shaman of the Pack and another finisher at the minimum. That 2/2 elf from Kaldheim that produces a 1/1 whenever an elf etbs is also good, as well as the visionary. Good thing Collected Company and Chord are already Pioneer legal, but yeah, still some ways off
>>93798927but you already have might of the meek. drawing a card is way better than manifesting dread, and a lot of the your HH doesn't even die
>>93798965>you get what you fucking deserveA real magic set would be nice for once.
>>93798777It is a little odd because it means that characters like the cheerleader thus come from a DIFFERENT 80s-adjacent plane than Duskmourn. Diegetically it's a little awkward.
>>93798992>drawing a card is way better than manifesting dreadIt's not
>>93798965The actual problem is that they've way too much synergy. >multiple creatures with a "deals damage equal to its power when it dies" ability>trample/evasion is trivial to access>tons of prowess and super prowess creatures (e.g. SSS)>Burn Together to double (or even triple up) the damage after combat or to get in damage before combat to bypass blockers
>>93799097they've printed way too much synergy*
>>93799064No, that's just a depiction of a survivor from an earlier point in time where there were still cheerleaders because the house had just started to consume the Plane. Not every card art has to depict a contemporary event or person
>>93799097Giant Growth isn't playable unless it gives some crazy payoff. You need those synergies for pump spends to be relevant outside of limited.
>>93799064They very clearly just designed with tropes in mind and everything else was an afterthought. Valgavoth keeps the dwindling survivors around to harness their fear but will kill them, so they're constantly on the move to stay alive. There seemingly aren't any settlements so when would there ever be time for them to hunker down and reproduce? Realistically no one should remember Duskmourne pre-house, or if they do it should be through oblique and misunderstood folklore. It feels like it was written as if the Omenpaths have always existed, but someone seemingly caught the error and made vague reference to the demon being able to open small portals to other worlds, ignoring the obvious issue this presents since, if MoM is anything to go by, the rest of the multiverse is full of serious badasses who would effortlessly fuck up his spooky AI-art monsters. If anything, Duskmourn should look like the multiverse's dumping ground: a haunted house with trinkets from every world and the bones of their former owners.
>>93798744I'm with this guy. Sure, the entire point of this set is that Valgavoth has gotten tired of his herd of natives and is reaching out to other planes for fresh victims. Even so, I resent even the suggestion that one of the planes it's targeting has high schools with cheerleaders and varsity bullshit
>>93799168This makes some semblance of sense but we have no reason to assume as such. Most cards in a set are roughly in the same timeframe.>>93799186Which feels annoying because, like, there's elements of the 80s horror stuff that works. I don't mind the survivors looking like they're from the 80s. They should just... Not look like they're JUST from the 80s. Want a cheerleader? Okay, make her a cheerleader with pom-poms that have knives at the end, make her at least look like somebody who's SURVIVED in this house, not just an 80s-movie cheerleader. The way this setting is built naturally restricts how you can use some 80s-movie tropes, so either don't use them, or implement them in a way that fits. This is neither. Undead Sprinter is a similar issue but because he could've died whenever it's not AS bad.
I attack with cacophony scamp and cast two copies of turn inside out, dome you for 14 and make two 2/2This is a thing that is going to be happening on turn 2 in standard for the next three years ;^)
>>93799214>CheerleaderRakdos cultists, Nayan matca-cheerers, hell Kamigawa probably has sports>JockBasically any culture with a martial tradition practices wrestling: Gruul, Theros, Zhalfir, etc. etc.>NerdLiterally any plane with wizards (so all of them)If they'd really played up the people trapping, you could have had a world that's actually an amalgamation of random survivors who would fit the roles thematically if not literally. The fixation on pushing the 80s as literally as possible sank this plane.
>>93799186>when would there ever be time for them to hunker down and reproduce?They don't reproduce, new survivors are kidnapped. If I remember right, the house fucks with their memories so that they slowly forget their past and eventually start thinking they were Duskmourn natives.>no one should remember Duskmourne pre-house, or if they do it should be through oblique and misunderstood folkloreIsn't this already the case?> the rest of the multiverse is full of serious badasses who would effortlessly fuck up his spooky AI-art monstersI think the difference is that in MoM it was an invasion, people are usually eager to defend their homes. Meanwhile Valgavoth stealing some people is a much smaller scale thing and not everyone will notice or even care.
>>93799252NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
if you play red you are simply bad at magic, no discussion allowed.
>>93799182True, but once you start printing too many payoffs and pumps that play into those payoffs, the strategy becomes more consistent and more powerful. Pumping Cacophony Scamp for a one-shot was cute when it was a relatively fragile plan that relied mostly on the opponent neglecting to block the scamp. It's less cute when there's back ups and it's not so fragile anymore.
>>93799305does kicking archangel of wrath count?
>>93799281>>93798696Cards like this make it look like Valgavoth just happened fucking yesterday. I forgot about the memory alteration, but that seems like another cheap handwave to justify the 80s shit. If Valgavoth harvests negative emotions, why wouldn't he remind them of exactly where they're from so they become more and more desperate for escape?
man i kinda want to play rdw in standard after these spoilers but i really don't want to spend ~$8 on slickshots
>>93799340It's fantasy, at the end of the day everything is handwaving to justify cool shit or something the writer wants. The memory thing could be a side effect of having their emotions eaten, maybe he eats memories as well.
>>93799375>$11+
>>93799375zero reason to not be gruul
>>93799334Well if you play White you're a bad person so
>another red value card
>mc is a grixisfag
>>93799466you won't make me believe that you thought for even half a second that this would be see constructed play
i'm back.
>>93799493He started as monoblack, grixis makes sense as his shard of choice.
>>93799501Too expensive.
>>93799501That's a strong effect but also a big price tag. I'm sure there's some solemnity jank you could run with ETB gain life creatures.
>>93799517Why black Leyline is not a new Leyline?
>>93799538fuck dredge. thats why.
>>93799524Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck....
>>93799517>>93799524Good reprint is good, but kinda lame that every other leyline is proactive while black gets the hoser.
>>93799550See>>93799252
>>93799524I"m sorry, EXCUSE ME!?
>>93799524this... this is not right...
>Black is the only one that doesnt get a new LeylineAre WotC retarded?
>"We did not playtest the final version of Leyline of Resonance"
>>93799554>>93799564>on rate milling for 2 mana>0 mana to cheat the 9/9 into playoh cool so this package just goes into every green graveyard deck forever I thought we were supposed to be different from ygo
>>93799524
>>93799554Dredge bros are we fucking back????
>T1 Scamp>Turn 2 2x Turn Inside Out, copy them both, hit you for 13, Shivan Meteor you in the face, dome you for 26, create 4 2/2s
>>93799554>>93799564>common and uncommonKind of dumb that you can do this even in draft.
>>93799592Oh look, Niko. Everyone was looking forward to Niko showing up again.
>>93799621Good, reanimatorfags were getting uppity after hearse's rotation
>>93799612The last 4 sets have had tons of yugioh inspired mechanics. It's not accidental.
>my face>my soul
>>93799524>Turn 2 kills in Standard>FOR FREElollmao
>>93799632they said in stream thats what they wanted.
>>93799636we've known Niko was in for like 3 months
>>93799621That second ability is actually good, what the fuck
>>93799524How much until this travesty goes the way of the Leyline of Abundance?
>>93799621lol this is even more maindeckable than hearse
>>93799651This would be a great card for midrange if midrange actually existed.
It occurs to me at this moment that Role tokens trigger Eerie, don't they?
>>93799554>>93799564>Draft Ruined by an UNCOMMON bomb>It isn't even a dead card if you draw it early>"We did not playtest the final version of Duskmourn"
>>93799621Hearse got Powercreep lmao what a time we are living.
>>93799621Hate that a card called ghost vacuum will probably be the colorless graveyard hate card of the rotation.
>>93799656it's just as unwelcome
>>93799667Cute
>>93799666yes, they're enchantment auras
Well i think this way of spoilers fucking Confirms the absolute Power Level of this set compared to BLB.
>>93799676I'm sure that won't cause problems
>>93799667the new version of gates?
>>93799631I can't recall a more ridiculous playline in standard ever. It's close to literal channel->fireball.
>>93799667>no river of blood coming out of the elevatorone job
>>93798696American High School set when?
>>93799340>If Valgavoth harvests negative emotions, why wouldn't he remind them of exactly where they're from so they become more and more desperate for escape?Because talentless writers don't care about quality storytelling.
>Double Shivan Meteor your face on turn 2>Also I get four 2/2s>All the 2/2s I got flip into Slickshot ShowoffsTHE FUTURE IS NOW, OLD MAN
>>93799710NO TRANSPHOBES BELOW THIS LINE
>>93799710The "white doesn't get hexproof" anon is not going to be happy about this one.
yep
>>93799710>>93799722Can confirm.I am not happy.Is it really that fucking hard to remember that White grants Indestructible and not Hexproof?
>>93799710Why is it worded that way instead of like pic related?
>>93799734>On the draw>"Heheh, Ihave Pyroclasm, those aggro decks on't know what-">They scamp, leyline, hit you for 26 on turn 2>"-ACK!"
>>93799272I mean, cheerleaders and jocks could easily come from two planes already, Arcavios and Kylem, but she doesn't really fit the aesthetic of either of those.
>>93799524WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING
>>93799734>first standard reprint in 14 yearsneat
>>93799742Because they changed policy to make it "enters" instead of "enters the battlefield".
>>93799735White has granted Hexproof for fucking years and tying keywords to specific colors is generally fucking dumb anyway Get over yourself
>>93799720Wew i really like it
>>93799742Because they are retarded fucking idiots who are trying to "fix" every possible feel bad moment in the entire game, tried to prevent you being able to respond to the ability to kill the creature, but are too retarded to realize you can just respond to the fucking enchantment on the stack still.
>>93799720>enigma jewel>training grounds
>>93799538Because they got it right the first time, I guess. I think Void's the only Leyline from the original five that's always been reprinted every time they do a cycle.
>>93799592>>93799575I LOVE CUMMANDER BROS
>>93799764kicker disenchant version is better
>>93799754Cool we know what the U/W draft archetype is gonna be
>>93799575See, the cultists look perfectly fitting, it's literally just the survivors that don't look fitting.
>>93799592I like the way the Shards work, but it's a shame there's no way to make more without blinking Niko, or using the Planeswalker Niko.
>>93799186read the children of the carnival sidestory. valvagoth allowed multiple safe zones to exist where didn't need to worry about getting murdered and live somewhat normal lives before phyrexia fucked the multiverse and he could start grabbing people from outside
>>93799795Gross and overpowered cash grab.Like literally every card in the set.
>>93799779why this isn't a curse?>>93799795these are kinda bad without shocks
>>93799524Pretty good storm enabler on top of everything else.
I see a lot of fucking bullshit in this set what were they thinking? Letting aside eternal formats this shot will remain in Standard 3 fucking years
>>93799667Note that because of how Rooms work, that just means you need 4 different fully unlocked Rooms to win.
>>93799801>before phyrexia fucked the multiverse and he could start grabbing people from outsideFirst off, Phyrexia built interplanar infrastructure for the impoverished citizens of the multiverse. Do NOT slander their hard work.Second, was Valgavoth supposed to be some cringe ass "Heh, all according to plan!" fedora wearing shithead when the Omenpaths opened to fix his self-sabotaging ways?
>>93799814They knew furries would eat shit up no matter what, horrorchads play real Magic.
I am slowly realizing that the biggest plot hole in Duskmourn is that Valgavoth doesn't have endless breeding vats where he forces survivors to breed with each so that he can survive into the future.How you can write a story that results in a plot hole so ridiculous is beyond me. Good work, guys, up there with the child soldiers and bestiality subthemes of Bloomburrow.
>>93799795well these are just overpowered as fuck
>>93799795These feel really strong if you're just splashing for the second color.
>>93799795new duals cycle
>>93799822No, he literally ensured survivors DIDN'T die out too fast before Omenpaths. He took advantage of their opening because they meant he didn't need to be careful, he could just feed on anything that he had.
>>93799806>these are kinda bad without shocks>Replace a basic>Zero downsidewow, so bad
>>93799845>No, he literally ensured survivors DIDN'T die out too fast before OmenpathsOkay but what was his plan to survive more than, say, two fucking weeks after thirst and hunger start setting in?
Did anybody post this new scarecrow yet.
>>93799844>sacrifice will be put on mtgosweet
DSK is such fucking power crept garbage what the fuck is this some of this shit wouldn't even be acceptable in a fucking Modern Horizons set.
and we are done.good night friends.
>>93799851He feeds them. The 'safe zones' have food that replenishes. Human nature is to continue to survive even when surviving only helps Valgavoth feed, so he takes advantage of that. He doesn't want the survivors to break and become completely devoid of any emotion. He wants them to be sane, but afraid.
>>93799806>why this isn't a curse?According to stream they thought making it a Curse would cut into Innistrad's slice of the pie.
>>93799854>>93799651
>>93799795Am I a joke to you?
>>93799867>He feeds them. The 'safe zones' have food that replenishes. Human nature is to continue to survive even when surviving only helps Valgavoth feed, so he takes advantage of that. He doesn't want the survivors to break and become completely devoid of any emotion. He wants them to be sane, but afraid.So now that the Omenpaths are open, why has this infinitely powerful uber-deity with seemingly unfettered reality warping powers not obliterated the entire multiverse?
>>93799842thanks, I couldn't see the image somehow
>>93799851Val has the House designed to literally spawn food in spots away from the settlements so people have to leave and get it.
>>93799846my bad I red them as>Swamp AND a Mountainthey're very good
>>93799870>According to stream they thought making it a Curse would cut into Innistrad's slice of the pie.>"Wouldn't this cut into another plane's mechanics?">"Uhhh durrrr duhhh uh durrrrr uhhh not if we duhhh not if we call it something else!"THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDS
>>93799881BECAUSE HES BOUND TO THE HOUSETHIS WAS LIKE THE FIRST THING WE LEARNED ABOUT HIMPAY ATTENTION
>>93799881His powers are limited to the House and opening doors to the House in other planes, and even then he can only open them up at random, or in places he's learned of. For all his power, he's still stuck to the House, and can never leave it. Outside of the House, he's "merely" a very powerful demon.
>4 painlands>4 fastlands>4 thran portal>4 verges>3 each basicWE TWO COLOR AGGRO NOW LMAOOOOBOW BEFORE GRUUL FLINGBOW BEFORE RAKDOS LIZARDS
>>93799866>simic will be cancer to play againstno surprises there
>>93799902>BECAUSE HES BOUND TO THE HOUSENo he's not.Just grow the house through the Omenpaths.Like he has already. Like he has literally proven he can do. Like he has proven he can do, as in the entire premise of the entire damn plane.
>>93799910>>93799910>>93799910
>>93799906>His powers are limited to the House and opening doors to the House in other planesOkay so he CAN get it to other planes?So why not just spread the fucking house to those planes? If he can open fucking doors to them, and he can grow the house to literal infinite size without any effort or ability to stop him, WHY THE FUCK NOT JUST GROW THE HOUSE INTO OTHER FUCKING PLANES!?
Valgavoth's Lair should've been a Mythic Room
>>93799866>RW>aggroamazing work
>>93799924>>93799912Apparently he just can't do that, at least not yet. The doors aren't exactly part of the House, so he can't spread from them, is my understanding. Or it simply isn't something he can do cross-plane, as of yet. The implication that he MIGHT be able to with Loot is meant to be the big "oh fuck" thing going on, but who knows.
>>93799881This is Valgavoth's current objective? He has his doors pulling in people from other planes, he's culling the current population of Duskmourn since he's less reliant on them, and he explicitly tells the Wanderer he's going to vore Kamigawa next as punishment for defying him. Duskmourn's story ends with him temporarily wounded so he has to stop to heal, and still readying to expand over the Multiverse.
>>93799866>UW Tempo>UB Control>Rakdos Sacrifice>Gruul Stompy>Orzhov Reanimator>BG Graveyard synergy>>>>>"RW Aggro"Trulytruly visionary stuff'beyond words, simply so creative and brave
>>93799931the meme is "Rakdos is secretly the actually good aggro deck"
>>93799780It's a sidegrade. This one is better if delirium is enabled, Tear Ass is better early, this is better late.
>>93799943>This is Valgavoth's current objective?Why hasn't he done it?>He has his doors pulling in people from other planes, he's culling the current population of Duskmourn since he's less reliant on them, and he explicitly tells the Wanderer he's going to vore Kamigawa next as punishment for defying him.So.... do it?! JUST FUCKING DO IT YOU MORON YOU HAVE LITERAL INFINITE REALITY WARPING POWER, LITERALLY NOBODY CAN STOP YOU JUST FUCKING DO IT YOU IDIOT. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND DO IT, YOU ARE A LITERAL FUCKING UBER-GOD WITH INFINITE UNSTOPPABLE POWER.
>>93799795Wait, we're getting two new cycle of lands in the same set?
>>93799960His power isn't infinite. He can warp the House pretty much freely as-is, but to expand it takes power and time and effort. He gains power from feeding on fear. He's currently stockpiling to try and make his big play. He's not omnipotent. Even in the House he was able to suffer a severe enough wound that he had to flee. He also can't COMPLETELY re-arrange the House on a whim. It takes time to shift and change.
>>93799971BUYPRODUCT
>>93799734From a limited standpoint I like the trend of red getting an uncommon aoe card most sets nowadays
>>93799971>>93799978The 13 life lands aren't even remotely playable.
>>93799975>His power isn't infinite. He can warp the House pretty much freely as-is,Okay so how did they hurt him inside the house.>but to expand it takes power and time and effort.Why did it not take time or effort to expand it over his own plane, then?
>>93799734Incredible it took this long to come back to Standard.
>>93800023>Okay so how did they hurt him inside the house.A surprise attack from a confluence of once-in-a-lifetime events that he literally had no idea was even a thing.
>>93800392I'm tired of>It was a freak occurrence>Villain grabs the idiot ball>Heroes develop new unexplained power that solves the problem and is not elaborated upon
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6611777#paper
>>93799734Monored prowess will run this mainboard since it dodges almost all prowess/valiant creatures that have three toughness after prowess triggers
>>93799575It is just me or the "and" on eerie mechanic makes it completly shit?
