Why don't pro players ever sideboard in spells for of one or two lands in BO3 games where they are ahead 1-0 in an attempt to go greedy?

>>94222233
thats what black needs, more sac support.

>>94222256
because decks tend to run as few lands as possible so if you side them out theres a higher likelihood of non functional hands

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>tq
golgari pile

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>>94222233
>TQ
luv me tokens

>>94222233
Jund sac.
The last fun deck in this shit hole.

I'm loving Duskmourne draft nights at the LGS. It's literally just free shit.

>Pick aggro
>win
It really is that simple.

>TQ
RG initiative against a guy who was playing UWR control, as part of a webcam league. I felt bad because he just conceded in the second game when I put a Trinisphere into play on turn 1 and he didn't have FoW.

>>94222233
Still feels weird to me that a WAR walker is gonna show up in a pseudo-core set

>TQ
Pioneer Angels.
Love that deck.

>>94222433
can I ask you why? not trying to be rude but it feels like such a one-note deck

>>94222438
Strong women with pretty wings

>>94222454
I miss when it was pretty women with strong wings.

>>94222233
>black gets dreadhorde Lilly
>white gets a new shitty Ajani
But white “cares the most about planeswalkers” now, right Nosewater?

>>94222551
What, is that something they said at some point?

>>94222551
>white gets a new shitty Ajani
it's a reprint

>>94222551
White is such an obnoxious thing i rather they have shit for the upcoming three new sets.

>>94222551
>>white gets a new shitty Ajani
are you the retard who was asking for the sand nigger yesterday?

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>>94222233
>TQ
I love him

>>94222588
The whitefag cries out in pain as he wipes your board, floods the battlefield with tokens, and casts grossly flexible removal

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Every day I am baffled by how this company manages to keep any of their products afloat as they continuously demonstrate nothing short of immense incompetence that would sink anything else.

>>94222305
>>94222433
>>94222331
Based formats
>>94222308
>>94222363
>>94222598
Meme "formats"

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So Arena just banned Leyline of Resonance in best of one but left it alone in best of three. Reasoning is

>Leyline of Resonance has made gameplay unfun by making it so there isn't much "playing" involved

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/mtg-arena-banned-and-restricted-announcement-october-22-2024

Shouldn't this reasoning apply to paper magic and best of 3 as well? turn 2 kills aren't healthy for any format.

>>94222685
>Arena
>"Based"
begone

>>94222678
They're bad at literally everything but cardboard (and the literal cardboard is pretty shit too), I've never given a shit about 40k but GW getting other people to make good video games for them seems like such a simple and (comparatively) hard idea to fuck up I'm surprised they haven't tried it.
Or do we count that shitty diablo clone I guess

>>94222687
>Shouldn't this reasoning apply to paper magic and best of 3 as well?
they literally answer this in the announcement
>To be clear, this is an issue unique to MTG Arena and only in Standard Best-of-One Constructed and Alchemy matches. The banning is not based on the general power level or the overall health of the Standard format—far from it.

>>94222687
Na it's different in paper because there's no dailies to do. People are grinding through 50 games in 20 minutes but it doesn't matter as long as they maintain a 33% winrate. So games are actually ending up as less than 1 turn a shocking amount of time because the monored player either sees the nuts in their opener or they concede. Tibalt's Trickery had the same issue.

>>94222678
I know it's a Secret Lair and all that, but why do they not just copy Pokemon cards when they get fancy with designs? Everyone likes those.

>>94222694
What format is "arena" and how do I play?

>>94222726
Alchemy, Explorer, Historic, Brawl, Timeless
Standard is also a joke format but at least you can play that in paper.

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>>94222720
>I know it's a Secret Lair and all that, but why do they not just copy Pokemon cards when they get fancy with designs? Everyone likes those.
They started doing that this set.
On top of the normal showcase frame they're also adding the super-jp showcase frame every set now
and that's before we get to full jp art extra sets like mystical archive

>>94222687
This is peak embarassament.
WotC is stupid enough to don't know what will impact a format hard enough.

>>94222763
And they look a thousand times better than most Secret Lairs.

>>94222769
They don't care. They're just watching metrics. There was probably a huge uptick in games played because of Leyline and at a certain point, the balance tipped into the negative as people got truly fed up of it and stopped playing entirely, so then it got axed.

>>94222754
>cringe
>based
>cringe
>cringe
>cringe
>based
Arena is a shithole but Explorer is based because it's trying to be Pioneer, which is the best format.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”- Oscar Wilde

>>94222678
MtG has a base of undiscerning consumers who will buy virtually anything and everything that WotC puts out, which greatly buffers all of their many mistakes.

>>94222687
Again, arena is a joke game
>>94222787
Pioneer is I suppose an attempt at a format but it's just "old modern but worse", but I suppose that is probably better than actual modern right now.

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>>94222687
They should've just emergency banned this shit already

>>94222803
ANYTHING, except Cummander and Alchemy shit is better than ACTUAL Modern.

The fact they keep that format as competitive just to scam whales and addicts is hilarious and evil.

>>94222835
draft/sealed and edh are the best ways to play the game, sorry
pauper's ok too

>>94222803
>old modern but worse
Basically correct, though the ways it's "worse" are mostly subjective.
Actual Modern is dead and no longer exists. Whatever format it is that's piloting Modern's corpse doesn't have a name, but has stolen one like some sort of archfey horror.

I've never seen non-Leyline Gruul Prowess on Mtg Arena Standard Bo1, is it better than Boros Enchantments?

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>>94222846
since they bothered updating tribal to kindred I have hope that their gimmick for return to lorwyn is bringing back kindred
they had a handful of cards for it in mh3 and they even had like 3 in duskmorn

>>94222561
Yes. The color pie was rewritten for
>Blue gets free vigilance because JOTC
>green cares about artifacts now
>black gets free enchantment removal
>red gets two turn delayed “impulse” draw
>white cares the most about planeswalkers

>>94222863
(half) the reason black didn't get enchantment removal was the deal with the devil enchantments but they stopped printing those a while ago
the erosion of the color pie continues but at least they're still trying to not let blue have everything forever because some scorned idiot at wotc still thinks blue should get hard removal

>>94222675
And yet white can’t win tournaments or ever have a card strong enough to be banned in Standard.
But somehow all of Whites weak cards were designed right alongside all the banned and broken cards from fire design.

>>94222845
>EDH
Magic is not your game faggot. Die.

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>>94222710
Translation: Our rigged shuffler makes it so broken we have to preemptively do damage control.

>>94222863
Well they lied and just gave White more obnoxious board wipes and tokens instead.

>>94222880
I've been playing since 2008 and yes it is. It's a lot better than someone dragging around the corpse of modern or pretending Standard is a format anyone cares about.
Changing packs to the gay "play boosters" fucked up limited but you can at least mostly get around that with cube.

>>94222885
>Well they lied and just gave White more obnoxious board wipes and tokens instead
As I said before, this still has never pushed white strongly enough to win tournaments or a pro tour.
Friendly reminder: no white card banned in standard since Saheeli-Felidar combo.
But I guess it was en vogue for kikes to whine about Wedding Announcement and Emperor.

>>94222879
>the whitefag continues crying out in pain as he plays the most annoying color that isn't Blue

Whitefags know nothing of pain compared to the Green player's anguish.

>>94222880
At least it isn't the rocket tag that you keep trying to pretend is still a game.

>>94222903
>doesn't get his cards stolen by bans
>cries about it

Seriously, what is wrong with white players' brains?

>>94222910
>Once Upon A Time
>Veil of Summer
>Prosperous Inkeeper
>Esika’s Chariot
>Wilderness Reclamation
Is this nigga serious?

>>94222911
>At least it isn't the rocket tag
what are you even talking about

>>94222945
>complains about tokens and boardwipes
>white still can’t win tournaments
Seriously, what is wrong with retards?

>>94222946
>most recent card listed was from early 2021

Thank you for proving my point

>>94222687
Cool, free wildcards and I will keep playing it in first match of bo3.

I'm gonna speed the routine up if you guys don't mind
>>94222961
>white still can’t win tournaments
here are three standard challenge top8s with mono white, all by different players
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6686651#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6686660#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6688120#paper
now you're gonna move the goalpost with
>ok, white wins tournaments BUT it doesn't win as many as other colors so it doesn't matter
or
>there's 2 cards with a single red symbol in the sideboard therefore it's not mono white
and then we are gonna say
>shut the fuck up whiteschizo

>>94222946
>Veil of Summer
>wahhhhh you're not allowed to stop us from countering your spells we want our counterspells to resolve
blue players are such massive faggots oh my God

>>94223078
the funny part is is that all of those cards weren't even played in green decks it was just oko and simic taking a dump on the game for a few years
>b-b-but simic technically includes green chud!!

>>94223066
Nah, those don't count because it didn't result in a white card getting banned

>>94223093
shut the fuck up whiteschizo

Blue is the most punished color.

>>94223087
>blue players were the problem all along
Slowly, I began to hate them

>>94223125
>Slowly
This your first week playing the game?
Anyone who's been playing for more than a few weeks hates blue players.
Even other blue players hate blue players because it means they have to sit through a control mirror as they get a taste of their own medicine as they perpetuate the problem.

>>94223155
True Magic players know the control mirror is the best way to play magic

>>94223164
nah its zoo mirror

>TFW glorious Golgari player watching bluefags get punished for their shitty counter bullshit

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Lol
Lmao

>>94222910
Greenbro its okay come huff copium with me in legacy with lands decks

>>94222859
They might, if they do I wonder if we'll get two tribes of faeries since the Sapling turns the Murmuring Bosk into the Weeping Bosk where a new type of faeries will be born, but it's not elaborated upon much and the writers/wizards probably forgot.

>>94223564
crafted 4 of them like 20 minutes ago lol just in time

>>94223588
I mean they'd still be faeries, there are a LOT of things that are totally different but are under the same creature type.
Plus the aurora happened and to be honest I don't even remember if oona is still alive.
Last we heard from them was they still had racist elves in mom and they had racist elves in lorwyn and shadowmoor both

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>>94223648
We do see a Kithkin in MotM and she seems to have both Shadowmoor + Lorwyn traits, which I take as a soft confirmation of the plane(s?) fusing into one now.
Oona has a stinger at the end of the book where she revives and it's been years in universe so unless that is retconned she's still around, the story also mentions a faction of flightless faeries called Groundlings.
Maybe something like the original Lorwyn block where there are both class and race tribal effects with different factions having an assigned race and class combination.

>>94223674
they retconned the age of kamigawa by a factor of ten and soft retconned some other stuff but we'll see
also I guess ashling is still around but mh sets aren't exactly the most canon

>Makes red leyline
>Releases it in September 27th
>Has to ban it by October 22nd in BO1 because arena is shit
>Not even a whole month
Certified Companion Moment

>>94223674
>a faction of flightless faeries called Groundlings.
That seems like a mistake on a plane where basically everything is a fairy, being 1/1 fliers with insect features is what made faeries distinct.
I guess it could work if they're still small and insectoid and dickish.

>>94223700
It's not a great card but it's more an arena issue than a card issue.
Arena is the worst possible way to play magic, and a non-insignificant part of that is the shartstone playerbase it attracted.

>we lost fast magic
>especially fast magic on MTG Arena
>fast magic is fun
>fast magic is good
>fast magic isn't the problem
>but we're banning leyline because it was too fast, but only too fast for one player
This ban really doesn't bode well. It tells us they're designing all their future sets around BO1 Arena and its dailies system.

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>>94223718
They're building the game around it's most popular formats, so everything is for either Bo1 or Commander.

>>94223718
>This ban really doesn't bode well. It tells us they're designing all their future sets around BO1 Arena and its dailies system.
arena is a forgotten side product at this point
maybe five years ago when they were shilling it to high heaven but that flopped along with their esports shit, not to mention it's banned only on arena (because again, joke game)
if you want any further proof that wotc doesn't even think about arena anymore look at the amount of money they're trying to get out of its players, no one's getting epic poggers $200 secret lairs there or whatever new foil treatment they're come up with
they could milk arena so much more but the fact that they haven't is proof wotc has effectively forgotten it exists, alongside alchemy's overwhelmingly negative reception having it shoved under the rug

>>94223741
>arena is a forgotten side product at this point
You surely don't actually believe that. BO1 Standard and Commander is all they design for now.

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>>94223711

>>94223718
*love fast Magic

>>94223745
Did you respond to the right person? EDH is (most) of what they're shilling for now and you don't have EDH on arena.
But on top of that you don't have any of the actual formats people play, with the closest you can get being a heavily modified standard or baby training wheels pioneer.
They at least added draft some years ago I guess.
Arena is not the future of magic it's the past, it only exists now as a slightly prettier modo.

>>94223711
They printed a bunch of one drops that can just kill you on turn 3.
They then printed the best red pump spell possibly ever.
Then they printed a Leyline that doubles all your buffs so you can kill on t2.
All of these cards were pushed on purpose and they released them at the same time.
They're fucking retarded.

>>94223674
can't believe we still have cute irish midgets

>>94223761
I obviously replied to the right person when I pointed out they only design for both EDH and BO1. You're insane if you think Arena is dying.

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my guesses

>>94223782
I hope not. Pikemaster is fine, but the cultist is ass now that damage doesn't use the stack

>>94223782
If they print that and U/W soldiers makes a come back I might actually quit standard

>>94223802
jumpstart are not standard legal, if not legal already

Give me Sharknado

>>94222787
Brawl is based because you get to bully players who think they can play it like Commander.

>>94223777
>You're insane if you think Arena is dying.
Follow the money anon.
The money's not going to or coming out of Arena.

>>94223164
Only when it's control without blue.

>>94223838
>The money's not going to or coming out of Arena.
retard

>>94223847
>Paper gets some new mega whale product every other week, secret lair and UB shit out the ass, wotc even confirmed they're going to be focusing more on UB shit
>Meanwhile Arena just gets standard sets and lotr
If you wanna play on it fine by me but it is more or less dead in the water unless they do some serious shakeups

>>94223856
Look again.

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>>94223771
Don't forget the cards that let the deck ignore removal.

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>>94223682
Yeah, MH sets are dubious and Ashling doesn't have any evidence wither way to any theories besides having the stats of her Shadowmourn self but that doesn't prove anything.

>>94223708
Yeah, but you can always explore new things with a creature type and the story doesn't have to use Groundlings. The type of Fairy the sapling creates is never elaborated upon and the Groundings are just a minor dissident element so we don't have to get Simic Groundlings/
There are also the establishment fairies who're white and blue, who started to shift to White due to Oona and valuing order funnily enough, despite the fairy herself being Black Blue.

>>94223775
The og Kithkin were quite ugly, but I do like the new art direction, very cute.

>>94223838
They're still pouring money into making Alchememe cards and porting Pioneer proper to the client like come on now.

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>>94223879
>The og Kithkin were quite ugly
apologize to my waifu right now

>>94223771
Don't forget the Thud reprint specifically tweaked so it would trigger Heroic. Oh and also draws a creature card after.

are you guys genuinely retarded. sideboards effortlessly shit on leyline aggro so it's not a problem in bo3. only in bo1. it's that simple.

>>94223974
>just instalose game 1 on turn 2 bro just deal w/ it bro they just instantly win the first game if they go first but who cares?
Why make excuses for it, dicklicker?

>>94223856
You hear about the former Blizzard dev who talked about how the sales from a single WoW mount made the company more money than the entirety of Starcraft 2? It's like that. Just because something has more effort put into it doesn't mean it's more important or that it's more profitable.

>>94223987
yes? did you get a lobotomy or something. a strat that has a great chance of winning the first game and then folds instantly to any sideboarding whatsoever losing the two games after that is literally not a problem, it's the definition of not being a problem.

I doubt banning leyline will do anything. Might just make bo1 decks better desu by cutting the trap card.

>>94224031
>just always have the sideboarded cards in your hand by turn 1 or turn 2
Spoken like a broken arena player.

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>>94223938
Lol, guess i forgot who the real OG kithkin were. But I'm glad they made Kithkin cute again.

On a different note, since we're going back to Tarkir in the same year and Lorwyn and Shadowmoor are merged we might get the tribes as tri color this time. Although there are 8 tribes of Lorwyn, minus changelings, but only 5 shards so that might not work.
Although if they retcon it to make it so all the Treefolk are dead and sideline either the giants or the merfolk I think they could make the remaining colors fit. But I think the same could be said for making them fit in the Tarkir wedges.

>>94224078
would

>>94224039
yes, exactly, that is called "accounting for probability" and is the basis of all deckbuilding

>>94224106
Retard.

>>94224106
Something is so overtuned you just instantaneously lose the first game 90% of the time in the "slow" format and you're saying you should just accept it? It doesn't matter if there is counterplay, faggot, you shouldn't just accept losing game one guaranteed on a coin flip.

>>94224078
How would that work out?
Temur elementals
Abzan kithkin + treefolk
Sultai faeries + elves
Mardu goblins + giants
Jeskai merfolk + giants?
They'd probably just shift some pairs around and add new tribes to make 10.

>>94224164
Most games of magic are guaranteed wins/losses, Why are you even playing this game if you care about games being consistently decided by decisions?

>>94224177
>guy is playing monored and goes first and gets the leyline on the field
>you just lose
>"decisions"
What decision, retard?
The whole problem with the game now is shit like this eliminates decision making. All the aggro/midrange decks have each creature doing 3 things and being a game engine in itself. All the combo/control decks are 100% deterministic and at a certain point it becomes impossible to win against them if they stalled you out that long. This is the most fatalistic card game out there now.

>>94222233
>this Lili will be standard legal until 2029
not gonna lie, I'm starting to like the idea behind foundations

>>94224190
holy reading comprehension

>>94224002
and you're on coping to hell and back if you think arena is secretly wotc's cash cow lmao

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>>94223782
Devil in Foundations stonks rising.

Its amazing how shit this game has become in 4 years.

>>94224224
Let me guess you started playing 4 years ago?
I'm not gonna call this a golden age for magic or anything but it's infinitely better than it was 4 years ago

>>94224227
It's really not. It's about as bad.

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>>94224231
right

>>94224221
>This is a real card
Magic is so gay now

>>94224234
play with fire and get burned

>SAARS TRUST ME ARENA IS SAFE
>BO1 IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY MAGIC SIDEBOARDS ARE ILLEGAL
I thought these retarded niggers scurried off back to the arena general

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>>94224235
magic has only improved in the past few years after shit like this and FAT AND BADASS

>>94224227
XDDDDDDD

>>94224242
Who are you quoting?

>>94224205
https://www.dicebreaker.com/companies/hasbro/news/hasbro-quarter-four-one-billion-dollar-loss-spells-trouble-for-dungeons-and-dragons-magic-the-gathering
I'm not saying Arena is a secret cash cow. I'm saying that appearances can be deceptive. The certainty is that Hasbro has been a sinking ship for a while now, and they've been squeezing WotC for every last penny. They saw a lot of success with BG3 and Monopoly Go and have talked a lot about digital, I have no doubts they're scheming up ways to get more money from Arena. There's zero chance they're abandoning the game, unless maybe it's to focus on some new EDH game.

Reminder that people on 4chan were calling Companion the most broken thing ever before even seeing a companion based on the wording of the mechanic.
Reminder that the weekend Ikoria was playable on MTGO companions already became 50% of the meta in every format that you could play them in.
Reminder that eventually 90% of decks were companion decks with maybe 1 or 2 irrelevant archetypes not using one and some people who refused to play them out of principle, who would often lose
Reminder that even then they refused to say it was a shitty mechanic and said people just needed to adapt and git gud
Reminder that to this day you still see Jegantha crammed into random decks because you lose nothing by having it and Yorion is still so powerful control decks will run 80 cards to use him

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>>94224227
No I been playing since Odyssey.
>>94224234
Yes I see those bans, but its just honestly gotten worse. Like this card.
>Aura that grants +1/+0, and Ward 2, and lifelink
>Also an Oblivion Ring effect.
>only 2 mana, one of which is colorless.
This would've been a rare years ago for what it does and at that price.

>>94224248
Isn't there some faggy looking kid with a pet monster in the new set? You're just so buckbroken by the shittiness of 5 years ago that you're thanking your masters for only making things 4000% shitty now instead of 5000%

>>94224176
Honestly, I'd like to see the Boggarts as being Jeskai or Temur if do Khan wedges. Boggarts are very izzet-like in they're pursuit of new stuff while also being very in tune with nature and community driven. The only unforgivable sin in their society is being selfish, but they're Black/Red originally anyways so I would imagine Mardu would be better fits for them as you say. Grixis might also be nice for Boggarts.
But I think the Elves would be Abzan since they're already in Abzan colors across the block, with them being paired with their only ally of the treefolk.
But I think Jeskai would be Kithkin and Giants, Kithkin while depicted in black cards. Color wise they're actually mostly White and Blue with some Green and Red to the side. Lorwyn giants are White and Red so that be their joining point.
The only odd man out would then be the Merrow who be with the Elementals or Faeries. But honestly I think the faeries work better as Esper since they already have white as a tertiary color. Merrow work best as either Sultai or Bant.
TLDR
>Temur Elementals + Merrow(?)
>Abzan Elves + Treefolk joined at green
>Sultai Faeries + Merrow(?)
>Mardu Golbins + Giants joined at red
>Jeskai Kithkin + Giants Joined at white

>>94224266
>Crying about an aura compared to the reign of simic retardation
>trust me I've been playing since odyssey
right

>>94224269
>It's better now than it was 4 years ago
>N-No it's not, it's just better than it was 4 years ago
god you people are pathetic

>>94224263
>Yorion is still so powerful control decks will run 80 cards to use him
in pioneer it goes in and out of use, currently it's not the preferred build, but it's still pretty funny that it got banned in modern

>>94224276
Yeah, it's still shit though

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>>94224266
Oh no!
Anyway

>>94224273
I mean you are really a dumb mother fucker if you are grabbing the lowest apple on the tree. You don't have to point at simic because everyone has seen how crap its been. Even Nadu got banned in EDH, even the format that rarely bans shit and hadn't for three years.
>>94224287
>shelters your nowhere to run

>>94224295
>You don't have to point at simic because everyone has seen how crap its been. Even Nadu got banned in EDH,
GEE I WONDER WHAT COLOR COMBO NADU IS

>>94224295
Okay if you're plan is to just draw a second one then I can just say
>nowheres your sheltered creature

It's sad that the edh general is apparently less retarded than here now.

>>94224297
Except by only focusing on the egregious examples, like your dumbass is, you miss out on other cards that have severely pushed the game in its power. Like what the fuck do you think the death race set is going to do? Maybe foundations? Its going to have cards that are overly pushed and its not going to stop.

>points to cards in standard from years ago
>nobody cares because those aren't in standard anymore

>>94224309
>They're going to *gasp* PRINT NEW CARDS
yes you dumb nigger glad you finally got that through your head

>>94224317
You call me a dumb nigger but god your such an ESL who has shit reading comprehension by comaprison. Like your dumbass can't read "more overly pushed cards"

>>94224328
And you're the one crying over an o ring with upside instead of 20+ game-warping cards

>>94224317
spic

>>94224329
Its still a gamewarping card you tard. Also crying real funny coming from you who can only pay attention to the rares and mythics but is blinder than a bat to commons and uncommons that are pushed to hell and back.

>>94224337
nigger
>>94224338
I'm looking at cards at an actual player's playpoint, not a bo1 arena retard

>>94224263
>Reminder that people on 4chan are retarded zoomers
Thanks I keep forgetting

>>94224343
I don't even play arena, you tard. I am also looking at its from a player's playpoint.

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>instant speed pump spell that gives +3/+0 for just a single red mana
>also the creature it affects leaves behind a grizzly bear and also will push an unwanted card to the grave.
>its only a common

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>>94224367
They've been trying to make a good red combat trick for years, it's about time.

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According to Maro, one of these "and no, not the most powerful one" will be reprinted in foundations. Which do you think it is? My guess is Meddling Mage.

>>94224376
We already had Monstrous Rage
God remember before Monstrous Rage was printed and everyone thought Mono Red in standard would be a meme for a decade? Better times.

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>>94224405
>lame pikula meddler
>not badass empowered female meddling mage
Yikes this is cringe

>>94224405
desu I really wouldn't be surprised if it was Faerie Mastermind

>>94224405
Terry Soh then

>>94224427
>"I dare nature to defy me."
>hits the wall at 25

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>>94224414
Anon, WOE was 1 year ago. They've been steadily pushing the power up since maybe titan's strength, over a decade ago.

>>94224446
>no Trample
>no permanent stat increase
>no creature left behind after you fling for 13 damage
What were they thinking?

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>>94224367
>>instant speed pump spell that gives +3/+0 for just a single red mana
You must be new here

>>94224343
>I'm looking at cards at an actual player's playpoint

spiccccccccccc

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>>94224479
That it was already enough for people to get 6/6 creatures with double strike and trample.

>>94224234
Would you look at that, years and years of nonwhite Standard bans. Almost as if I know what I’m talking about unlike these head-in-the-sand cowards.

>>94223066
>Arena challenge events, not actual paper metas
Lmao, lol

Also. Mtgo challenge events aren’t fucking tournaments you facetious kike. Literally ANY deck can win a challenge event on mtgo. That doesn’t make it indicative of the actual fucking meta. Go suck another coin roll of shekels.

Also paper tournaments don't count you incorrigible fuckhead. Literally everyone who participates in paper tournaments cheats their shuffles and bribes the judges for favorable rulings. They're not indicative of the fucking meta.

>>94222903
Mono white won worlds 95

>>94224600
Confirmed never played in paper tournament

>>94224549
>>94224584
>so mind broken he mistakes arena for mtgo then has to correct himself in the next post
I'm not even joking anymore you're 100% schizophrenic

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this thing is fucking bullshit

>>94224641
I wish there were more cards that removed counters to punish it

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>>94224641

>>94224367
I share your appreciation for this card's power even if the others just want to shit on you by talking about irrelevant shit from the past. Everyone should be agreeing with you and saying something of note but they're fagging it up.

I'm getting kinda tired of the knowledge flexing that goes on in this game. Just people tisticly taking everything literally and taking statements that should be interpreted generally, like yours, as absolutes, as if you claimed the card was actual Giant Growth when you didn't. It's the same shit that has plagued online discussion of this game everywhere whether it be here, MTGS or Reddit it's the same faggot-ass retardation that should get a person banned repeatedly until they unfuck themselves.

Now that there is a 15 minute wait until posting it's as good fucking time as any other to quit this place. It still smells like fucking Hambly here after all these years and I'm finally tired of thinking it in addition to all the retards from the Arena and custom thread lending their anime-posting their unwelcome retardation here.

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>>94224654
Kudro did nothing wrong. It should be named "Completely Justified Act".

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Surely with a Goldspan 5-8, Mayhem Devil 5-8, and a Lier-esque Flashback effect in red, I can make this old standard combo work in Pioneer?

>>94224654
BUT IT DIES TO COOM BLADE!

>>94224367
I seriously believe this is the card that pushes the Leyline deck too far. You can keep a starting hand with four 1 mana removal spells and have it mean nothing because when you try to use them you just give the opponent two new bodies.

I just came here to say
>Fuck leyline players you get what you deserve
That is all.

>>94224234
To be fair just because they are banning less cards now in general, doesn't mean there aren't cards worthy of banning.
WOTC have just gone full greed mode since their 3 year rotation inception, otherwise we would have seen a shit ton more bans from almost every color.

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Once again I'm looking for feedback, please, on how I can adjust my deadguy ale decks for my LGS meta. I'm intending to play one of them this week and am leaning towards the former because it seems alot simpler to build effectively, and the latter list is very scrappy and I feel like I want to rebuild it from the ground up.

https://moxfield.com/decks/lSLjJDwUwk-6hBgQWcqY_w
https://moxfield.com/decks/eBAuOQKK3Ee7R7afigTRkQ

The people in my local meta play something like
2 Cloudpost
1 Doomsday (Tempo SB) or Delver
1 Painter or BG Midrange
1 Tempo, control or maverick
1 Glimpse Elves or Stiflenought
1 guy who borrows my Ancient Tomb decks

The rest play a wide variety of decks and you can't really pin down what they'll play on any week, and we usually have around 10 people. Combo isn't too popular. I don't really want to run bowmasters but if I need it as a crutch so I don't autolose every game I guess I'll have to.

>>94222710
>The banning is not based on the general power level or the overall health of the Standard format—far from it.
HAVING A TURN 2 WIN BE 20% OF YOUR FORMAT IS NOT GOOD FORMAT HEALTH YOU FUCKING HOMO ERECTUS FUCK

>>94224654
>>94224760
For me, I think it should be named "Smart Decision"

the death of the arena general and its consequences have been a disaster for /mtg/

>>94222331
Most people try to go value town and end up having too few creatures.

>>94224405
Solemn has been reprinted in Core Sets already and can fit in anywhere, maybe that's too obvious.
I'd love him or Meddling Mage.
Or Dark Confidant but there is no way they let him just be an eternal Standard staple.

>>94225146
The death of the arena general is a WotC psyop to increase paper Standard play.

>>94224405
If dubs it's Sylvan Safekeeper

>>94225146
I warned you all. This is what containment threads are for. It's still like a 50/50 on the thread dying when I go to sleep.

You guys can't just blame the Arena general every time we have a shit thread

>>94222331
what's the skill level for LGS draft nights?
I haven't done one for over a decade now but they used to be free as fuck

>>94225290
Oh yes I can.

>>94225323
nta but at my place it's usually 2-3 newer players or boomers who come for the nostalgia, they go 0-X

the rest are autistic nerds who don't say a single word except for pass sweating every single game, noting the whole board state, every single card you played and the amount of hand cards on their notepad

it's still easy to beat them, they all read the same draft guides and try to force the best deck so just draft whatever is the weakest color

>>94224405
The "most powerful one" is Snappy, yeah? So not that.

>>94225238
Bob's kept in check by bowmasters, it'll be fine

>>94225457
In Standard?

>>94225507
I know what I said. We're ALL in on this ride together.

Print Bowmasters into Standard
Let the Galaxy Burn

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Praetors all had some type of metal to their body, yes? So why isn't Vorinclex copper or have copper?

>>94222233
>What was the last deck you played?
jeskai dress down. nulldrifter is a helluva drug

I got two questions:
>What was New Capenna? Was it even a good set?
And:
>What's the story of an Eldrazi raiding Innistrad?

>>94225575
He's all natty

>>94225582
New Capenna was your classic cops and robbers set in the vein of a standard mobster movie, but because of the various BLM protests going on during development they removed the cops. As a result the themes are an unfocused mess, the factions don't have much to differentiate them, and it was focused on bootleggers when the game can't show guns or liquor. The draft format was also abysmal.

Eldrazi raiding Innistrad was slightly more interesting.
>1000 years ago a vampire, a rock autist, and a dragon formed an alliance to fight various threats because they were bored oldwalkers and needed a hobby
>the vamp settled down and founded Innistrad, a hellplane where vampires could eat freely but he also made some angels as game wardens so there'd be a steady supply of humans
>Rock autist's home plane gets eaten by the eldrazi; the dragon doesn't pick up the phone because he's dead (he got better due to time bullshit) and the vampire doesn't pick up the phone because he can't be fucked to help
>Rock Autist weaponizes her autism to summon Emrakul to Innistrad because if her home plane is gonna get fucked then his is too
>Gothic Horror becomes Lovecraftian Horror for a bit
>Tamiyo, calling on her Japanese heritage and affinity for tentacles, traps Emrakul in the moon at Emrakul's behest

>>94224901
And what have we got? Nothing changed in paper. BO1 is not real magic.

>>94225582
There was some decent art I guess, and they printed 3-colour triome lands.
But the draft format was absolutely dominated by a 3-mana 2/1 flier with ETB draw a card, which had a higher winrate that almost all the mythics/rares.
So UW fliers destroyed every other archetype.
Then the next set the best common was another 3-mana 2 power flier with an ETB card advantage, and UW tempo the best archetype.

>>94225575
Something about the method traveling to other planes in canon. It was brought up in the story blurb.

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>>94225582
It was the last time they were able celebrate so many previously supported languages culturally via alt art box toppers
as for every year since that set came out they've canned multiple languages a year, I think we're now down to half the languages that were printed for New Capenna (Bloomburrow was the last printed set for Chinese and Portuguese)

>>94225749
Fuckin sucks the Russian one is impossible to get

What format could I play Altanak, the Thrice-Called?
He can't even be played in pauper so is he just some retarded thing you try to pull off in sealed?

>>94226111
Greasefang in Pioneer is including him now. Randomly instantly winning the game because you happened to dump three specific cards in the graveyard is dumb as fuck.

>>94226111
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6657534#paper

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>>94226111
Something like this but you need 33 lands mininum
Alternatively 4c dredge in Modern. It's very highrolly though.

>>94226111
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/czlzVgnmH0ep6OlFY1urvw

actual results non meme deck

>>94222763
I don't read slop so wtf is a glimmer?

>>94224405
Can't reprint safekeeper because of Shroud.
It's Dark Confidant. That card will hit rock bottom. How the mighty have fallen.

>>94226240
they are enchantment creatures

>>94226240

the opposite of a nightmare, like peoples best qualities manifested as a "good" entity

>>94226240
Something that should be impossible on a plane totally subsumed by a fear demon

>>94224788

mayhem devil is quite awkward as wincon.. you don't really want your grapeshot to be on a creature. If you're in red black it really behooves a storm deck to win with beseech the mirror and that is quite awkward in pioneer. I've made the deck go off in red green with hardened scales, runaway steamkin, questing druid, a xorn or two, and dragonspark reactor to kill. I like reactor, it is efficient and works well even when you bric; you just kill their best huge threatening thing and chunk them and win next turn. crime novelist flew under my radar; will test. season of the bold is bonkers for pioneer treasurestorm; sometimes they're just on a slow draw and you make five treasure, untap and win. sometimes you just already have infinite mana and it does whatever the fuck you want. gold rush interacts well with goldspan dragon and does deck things but I couldn't make it work consistently.

it's gonna be Avalanche Riders
the themes for Foundations are Echo and land destruction

>>94226565
I agree about Mayhem Devil. Skinripper is a better fit because you can drop it after going off instead of before, but it's the same flaw of relying on a creature that can be removed.
Dragonspark Reactor is nice. Dowsing Device seems like it would perform similarly if redundancy is important, though again it relies on creatures to finish.
Green has some nice toys, Gold Rush was one I saw too.
Season of the Bold does look nice. I was turned off by the "tapped" treasures, but I'll reconsider.
Urabrask looks like it does everything the deck wants, but I don't know if that 3-cast restriction would be awkward to play around since I haven't tested it yet.

FUCK OMW AS THE FIRST TIE BREAKER REEEEEEEEE

>>94226782

I couldn't make urabrask do jack shit and I tried petty hard.

Has anyone made a deck from Duskmourn using all those clowns?

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>>94226892
There are only 3 clowns in the set, despise the fact that some of the non-clown creatures look exactly like the ones that are actually clowns

>>94226911
>There are only 3 clowns in the set
I meant those guys with spikes in the Boilerbilges or whatever red is.

>>94226911
>human
Fucking really?
Also why aren't Clowns human?

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Surprised no one has yet to find a deck centered around him yet.

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Why do some of these card set logos have something behind it? Is it for a different version of MtG?

>>94226978
Tree is very much a deck.

>>94226978
what do you mean? he was literally made for rakdos tree, you can execute the combo without relying on the graveyard thanks to him

>>94226984
It's for commander/edh

>>94226391
You can't have fear without hope. If there is absolutely no possibility of your life improving you just don't fucking bother.

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favorite mtg memes?

>>94227121
That doesn't make any sense. You can absolutely feel fear in hopeless situations, and continue to feel fear as you die slowly without any hope of escape.

>>94226978
yeah, as other anons pointed out, it's the new linchpin of the tree of perdition

>>94227138
are sideboard related mechanics kicker too? like companion or learn?

>>94227140
You feel fear because you don't want things to get even worse, meaning that you have hope that they don't. If you have zero expectations for your future and care about absolutely nothing, being attached to nothing and consumed by despair, you just can't feel fear. Fear what? That you'll get tortured? You'd need to care for that, and you don't.
The positive emotions that glimmers come from are needed for fear to make sense as a concept.

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>>94226978
I just accidentally curved him into the ninja planeswalker in Sealed on turn 4 and realized that I could use the planeswalker abilities with him (because Kaito is a creature on your turn).
god Limited is so good.

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new overlord kino just dropped

>>94227223
I think Zur strains your manabase a lot. The payoff is good, though.

>>94227223
I'd rather just play Enigmatic Incarnation

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We're so back.

>>94227370
>believing mark of all jews

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>>94227138
the classic

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>>94227443
there's also the sequel

>>94227464
pretty good never saw that one

>>94227443
>containment zones
oh how times have changed

>>94227464
Kek, who declares a counter spell before they even see what their opponent is casting.

Room is the most simple mechanic they've made in awhile.
>Have enchantment with 2 effects
>You spend mana to use one of the effe to and later unlock the other room to get another enchantment

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I wish that new Storm legend had 1 power, 1 less cost, and double strike. Current one is going to be such a snowflake deck. What will Storm grant storm to? Oh its Seize The Day. Who could've foreseen that coming?

>>94227579
It's commander bait to get people who don't even play magic to the buy the secret lair, it's not meant to be good.

>>94227566
aspiring pro caleb and totally not a strawman

>>94227464
literally me

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Anyone got a deck for Razorkin monsters?

>>94227910
yeah, in Limited

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i...is orcish bowmaster gone yet? Is it ok to come out?

>>94227910
Razorkin aren't their own deck they have cards spread out over a bunch of different strats

>>94227947
>frog centric meta
>doesnt even chump block him

gotta wait for december

>>94227579
>>94227610
Storm is actually pretty masterfully design as almost perfect commander bait, It has just enough Timmy and Jonny to appeal to both crowds of players while also being pretty simple mentality of, "I PLAY [insert any 6+cmc spell] X TIMES NOW!" which commander players love. It's designed to support spell slinger archetypes as well as UB creature ones as well. It can play chaos, big burn, walk machine, mil, etc.
I guarantee you will hear at your lgs multiple people saying they are building Storm® as their commander and their version is completely different* than everyone else because they a running one or two pet cards in the list.

It is designed to be commander crack, and it succeeds on almost every level.

>>94227464
lmao

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LFG!!!

>>94227443
post the updated one where every format other than edh is empty

>>94227910
>cast roaming throne naming clown
>get two(2) gremlins every turn
New brew incoming?
The rakdos sacrifice deck in standard is probably the closest you'll get

>>94228050

Reason enough to buy at least one even if you dont want to play it. Couple years from now you'll probably be able to name your price.

>>94228218
nope, everything that isn't reserved list or super rare one of printings like championship promos goes down in price with time

>>94228233
>Rick/Greymond still at 30$
Popular UB commanders hold their value, even after reprints. Storm also has the advantage of being tied to a popular IP, I have a hard time seeing Storm being bulk anytime soon.

>>94228233

You're just a salty modern refugee, my picks don't miss so my binder has multiplied by X where X is the number of years it has been in play.

>a marvel crossover
>barack panther in the same league as captain america and wolverine
>wolverine doesn't get hardened scales, doesn't get violent outburst because it's banned, doesn't get monstrous rage, doesn't get regenerate
You can't imagine my disgust right now

>>94228412
>doesn't get regenerate
Anon you might be stupid

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TOR has broken 60% meta share in Modern.
Just figured I'd mention it.

>>94228233
>thinking SL drops play by the same rules as everything else
lol

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>Whole set based off a Haunted Mansion
>One of the new mechanics is Rooms
>Don't add a reference to pic related
How

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>>94228501
THERE IS NO ONE RING DECK
IS
NO
ONE
RING
DECK

>>94228552
>room invoke prejudice minus 80
what did they mean by that

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>>94228552
>>One of the new mechanics is Rooms
>>Don't add a reference to pic related

>>94228592
the number add up to 13
thats it

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>>94228501
>Almost hitting Vintage numbers
Cute

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>>94228452
>he listed 3 other card names, but surely when he said "regenerate" he meant the ability and not the card
What a foolish blunder. How ridiculous you look on this niche anonymous imageboard.

>>94228637
memedern will have restricted cards in our lifetime

>>94228680
There is a non-zero chance ToR is restricted in modern rather than banned.

>>94228665
Wolverine has the power to regenerate others? I thought he could only regenerate himself.

>>94228218
I'm buying one for the Villeneuve hips alone.

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I could have saved her...

Is this hobby cheaper than 40k?

>>94228501
Would the percentage be even higher if it was a $5 card?

>>94229003
it's free if you're smart about it

>>94229037
No, it would be 0%.
If TOR was cheap it would have been banned a year ago. The only reason WotC is "Monitoring the Situation" and "There is no One Ring Deck" is due to it's cost and reprint value.

>>94229003
depends if you want to collect cards or are fine with using proxies/counterfeits

>>94229003
Absolutely

>>94229003
a lot of ttgs outside of board games makes me feel kind of stupid for getting in once i'm out. i had fun playing modern but once i stopped i realized i paid ~$1.5k to have about as much fun as i'm having playing ashes reborn or street fighter 6.

>>94229003
Both are free.

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people really charging 50 bucks to tell people to mulligan for force of will

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>>94223700
If we count meme format it's not even the quickest ban, Lutri was banned in EDH before its release.

>>94223771
Remember it's the same company that thought a standard with Oko, Uro, field of the dead, fire of invention and a bunch of other banned cards was totally fine.

>>94229253
(((commander))) isn't Magic the Gathering.

>>94229323
you're an antisemite so your opinions are worthless

>>94229329
(((commander))) isn't even a game, check the op.

>>94229238
Are they now?
>>94229055
>>94229101
>>94229147
Well I want to collect the cards, so how expensive does it get?

>>94229362
mtggoldfish
go to decks, pick the format you're interested in. expect to pay around that much for a deck.

>>94229323
Neither are Arena Bo1 or Alchemy

>>94229380
Yes, none of them should be here.

>>94229371
That's not too bad. Way cheaper than 2k points of Admech

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>>94228767
>Wolverine has the ability to bond adamantium to other people's skeletons? I thought it was only him that had adamantine bonded to his skeleton.
Forgetting a single card out of tens of thousands wasn't actually embarrassing, but coping this hard about it is.

>>94229362
Really depends on what you want to collect, MTG has over 30k cards in various styles and rarity, so your cost range will vary greatly depending on what you want to collect.

why do people pretend to like draft? i go to 2 different lgses and i've never once seen a draft fire except on for a few days after release day

>>94229451
pyramid scheme to keep winning prizes off noobs while simultaneously keeping pack prices low but WoTC looked at their data and realized that yeah, no one actually likes draft

>>94229451
I like playing different decks
not playing duskmourn though I hated what I played of it

>>94229451
sounds like a LGS problem, probably because too many commander players.

MY LGS fires consistently but it does seem like DSK is a bit less popular than the last few sets, but I don't know if that is a summer thing or a set quality thing.

Old player planning to return here, what changed post Theros/Tarkir block? Is standard still the dominant format?

>>94229542
There is no dominant format, Wizards doesn't even print cards for Magic the Gathering anymore, read the op.

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>>94229542

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>>94229542
The game is ruled by Commander and Best of 1 on Arena. Standard might be #3, but it's picking up the scraps that the design team forgets to throw away. Legacy and Modern are rotating formats now, since every Modern Horizons and Universes Beyond set introduces a brand new never before seen level of power creep. Pioneer was created as "Modern lite", but then ignored for over a year while one deck dominated and interest dwindled to nothing. It's better now, but still nowhere near what it should be.

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>>94229542

>>94229491
It's because the Redditors are scared by all the heckin scary centipedes!
But like unironically

>>94229616
Commander isn't Magic the Gathering.

>>94229616
What about LGS games? Been itching for a nerd hobby that lets me go outside, thinking of coming back to my old shop. Never tried Arena

>>94229380
If you play Alchemy or Bo1 you are a subhuman.
If you play Commander you are literal garbage.

>>94229451
Play Boosters and MTGA
Play boosters have completely changed draft and overall caused it to become more bomby due to there just being more rares and mythics being opened.
MTGA because it makes it so much easier for players to draft the set to death the first week after release, get tired or bored of it quickly, so you have a group of players that feel no reason to draft it again, more so in paper.

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>>94229542
>what changed post Theros/Tarkir block?
Somewhere around 2018/2019, Hasbro basically told WotC they wanted them to double their profits. Consequently, power creep exploded, several direct-to-Modern sets have been released, the amount of cards geared towards EDH increased dramatically (pic related), and there was a general increase in the amount of products getting pushed out. Crossovers in the forms of secret lairs (i.e. bundle of ~6 cards with "premium" alt art) and full blown crossover sets (e.g. Assassin's Creed got a direct-to-Modern mini-set).
As a result of power creep and a very clear reluctance to ban new cards before they're out of print, most formats have suffered greatly. Standard has been wildly unhealthy for a while, Modern has been dead for 3 years (hence why these threads are /mtg/ instead of /mmg/ now), Legacy has been generally shitty.
Also there's a newer format Pioneer which has become something vaguely resembling old Modern in terms of power level, but only has cards from RTR onward. And none of the godawful direct-to-Modern bullshit. That said, it's still a dubiously healthy format due to the power creep and weak ban policies.
>Is standard still the dominant format?
No, it's all EDH. Paper is all but dead except EDH. Everything has been sacrificed before the altar of Commander.

>>94229251
The notion of paying money for 'coaching' in Magic is retarded. Whenever I see a youtuber mention this it always sounds like the client plays once in a blue moon and barely engages with it outside watching videos.

>>94229713
>Paper is all but dead
What the fuck?

>>94229760
Nobody wants to pay 1,000 dollars for a deck and any price point less than that is casual commander which isn't even Magic the Gathering.
Paper magic no longer exists.

>>94229760
Commander is the end of Magic. No other TCG can compete with commander's popularity, and commanderfags have already proven they will accept whatever slop WotC injects into the game. Every decision WotC makes about the game is to appease commander players, and it is ALWAYS to the detriment of non-commander formats. Some busted ass shit that was designed around there being 4+ players? Its now rotated Legacy (again). Unsets being made black-bordered? They need to be so I can run my heckin attractions deck in my pod. 50% of the rares in a Standard set being build-around Legends that suck complete cock outside of commander? Commander. LD/MLD/Mana denial no longer viable strategies? Commander players find them unfun. UB is also because of Commander, when WotC realized they could ride the EDH gravytrain and turn every popular character from any IP into a commander.