The Wall Edition >Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: The Scariest Standard Strategies in Duskmourn:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-scariest-standard-strategies-in-duskmourn>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously:>>94314947>TQNow that it is fully spoiled, what do you think are the strongest cards coming in Foundations?
>>94320168Remember when you could have this kind of lore without shoving 50+ legendary creatures in every set?
>>94320439>TQIt's embarrassing that you need to ask
>>94320496Baaaaaaased
>>94320439Be prepared.
>>94320473It scares normalfags
>>94320473You just need to write books and poems that no one reads.
bros... give it to me straight... will all the Universes Beyond shit turn MTG into a soillennial coonsoomerslop mashup of pop culture refferences? (aka becoming a Fortnite/Lego/Funkopop kind of franchise)
>>94320700>willanon I..
>>94320700yes, foundations is the final send off before MTG is taken back behind the barn and finally put of our misery.
>>94320709STFU
>>94320700I have some hopes for Aetherdrift, but after that... Yes Magic will finally die. You can play with Sephirot and Peter Parker and say yourself you are a guy playing Magic but it will never be Magic again.
Since /ccg/ is dead I guess I have to post this here
>>94320496Do you think playing Omniscience and Progenitus on turn 4 is enough to make Leyline of Mutation worth using?
>>94320733I'm so sorry for your loss
>>94320783even aetherdrift is just another 'mtg characters but in [insert movie trope]' slop
>>94320793Oh, just remembered there is a room that makes your lands tap for any mana.
>>94320793>Leyline>worth usingNo
>>94320793Isn't 5 mana on turn 3 doable in standard now that l.elves are in? If it is then omnimutation might be viable, until people start to run enchant removal in main decks too
>>94320850It will be. Llanowar into Overlord with three lands will let you have WUBRG on turn 3.
>>94320700>bros... give it to me straight... will all the Universes Beyond shit turn MTG into a soillennial coonsoomerslop mashup of pop culture refferences?They were already doing that anon. Were you asleep during the entire period of 2024 and earlier? This is just them being completely mask off now.
>>94320783I will miss iconic mtg characters such as hoodie boy and fire girl (not pictured)
When do you think spoilers for Final Fantasy will start? This will be the 2nd time I will buy something from wotc in the last 10+ years
>>94320786I can only sit back and wonder why Microsoft didn't do it sooner
>>94320920>flavor textHaha, classic Chandra Nalaar!But anyway when can we play with Sephiroth and Spongebob?
>>94320870Theoretically yes, but in practice I don't know if you have the manabase to do it regularly.
>>94320926Part of the problem.
>>94320926Fuck off
>>94320920>>94320941It's rather disingenuous to characterize anyone as caring about pl*neswalkers.
Knowing that Thalia is having regular sex is heartbreaking. Some part of me doesnt care about her anymore. I love my girlfriend. She played our songs together in the car last week and I almost teared up from how strong my feelings were. But it's still not the same as Thalia was. Some part of me can't move on. Because for Thalia I was willing to sacrifice anything. I was DESPERATE to marry her. How do I cope with being with my girlfriend and loving her when I wasn't as willing to commit to her? I didn't even want sex with Thalia, I wanted to commit to her as fast as possible. I wanted to marry her. If I'd been dating Thalia for 3 months I would have married her. I've been with my girlfriend for 15 months now and I plan to marry her eventually but not yet. This is like how every woman came harder for Chad than she ever will for you. And the worst part is thinking maybe I could have had a chance with Thalia at some point. Having my friends tell me that Thalia wasn't really out of my league. Even though she was. And the fact that I desire that despite my attempts to force those feelings away, the fact I even think about her at all, makes me have to question if I truly love my girlfriend, even though I almost cried just listening to the music she picked for me. She is so kind and loving and I let her down in so many ways. I would have died for Thalia. Without question or any expectation of reward. How do you continue on, knowing you'll never exoerience that intensity of feeling again? I love my girlfriend and I'm trying to build a life with her, but I'm hobbled every step of the way knowing how I felt for Thalia.
>been watching cube videos>thinking that might be a fun project>start planning and going through collection >realize at some point even if I get it done our playgroup is so flaky it might rarely or never see play>also at least one guy in the group I wouldn’t trust handing rare cards to or they might “get lost”>lose all motivationfeels bad man
>>94320700>Will it turn into fortniteAnon... Fortnite is already in Mtg
>>94321117...and?
>>94321073Can't remember the last time I cared about anything lore related in this game, planeswalkers being involved or not.
>>94321146I can but the cards had a different frame
>>94320439Quick question about Valkyrie's Call and Curse of Conformity. COC is "Enchant playerNonlegendary creatures enchanted player controls have base power and toughness 3/3 and lose all creature types."Let's say I have Valkyrie's Call on the field, and Curse of Conformity attached to myself. I have some creature, say one that can sacrifice itself like Mogg Fanatic. When the Mogg dies, does it come back as a 4/4 Angel with flying, or a 4/4 typeless creature with flying? Does this give me infinite mogg sacrifices, or do layers fuck this up?
>>94321093print proxies, you retard
>Make less and less PW>Don't ever care about writing the lore>Little by little shoehorn shit not even related to the game>Finally replace actual game content by Crossover with other products that has nothing to do with such game.So what is keeping this game together? The mechanics? The "i like thing" customers?
>>94321228Sunk cost fallacy and a bunch of investors having too much to lose.
>>94321228The Cummander crew and the stupid Modern Whales. Those are the target audience now, old man.
>>94321093you have a guy in your playgroup who you can't trust handling your cards without stealing them?bitch kick him out of your group wtf
>>94321228>So what is keeping this game together? Investors and whales with more money than common sense or taste. It’s not about the game any more, it’s about FOMO and memberberries to milk as much money out of those two groups as possible. Anyone else buying shit is just a cherry on top
>>94321202>creature dies>Valkyrie’s Call returns it to the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter and additional Angel typing>because it’s a creature you control it loses all types, including the one it just gained, and becomes 3/3 with the counter making it a 4/4My interpretation is you’ve got infinitely recurring creatures, but they always come back as essentially a 4/4
>>94321228
>>94321281They gave us every warning but we didn't listen.
>>94321281It feels out of character for Bolas to say "Endgame" I feel like he wouldn't like chess, he strikes me as a RISK sort of guy.While Ugin would like Scrabble.
>>94321228I still like to draft...
>>94320926we should see cards in march/april but I wouldn't expect full blown spoiler season until may, the set releases in june
>>94321117That was such an odd card choice to turn into battle royale
>>94321281the fact that collage is even possible is insulting
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6735885#online>3x pic related>in vintage scamok what am I missing? rad counters don't seem that strong? maybe it's the card advantage angle while pitching to both grief and fow?
Will foundation be a good limited set
>>94321416YesSame role as saurons ransom
>>94321416>maybe it's the card advantage angle while pitching to both grief and fow?I haven't played that list specifically but this would be my best guess, turns out that card is the very first Dimir Instant that draws cards equal to UBX, every other card is either Mono Blue, Mono Black, or a Sorcery.
I just wanna play funny decks in modern but i hate that mh2 cards specifically dunk on them. LET ME PLAY MILL DAMNIT
>>94321416>vintage
>>94321354Especially because there's a VERY obvious card choice for it.
Exangunate is done. Insert "I can fix her" et al here.Not much left for Foundations (Vanguard Seraph, maybe)...we will have to wait and see what Aether Drift brings.
>>94321416>maybe it's the card advantage angle while pitching to both grief and fow?I hate that having more colors is actually an advantage now, they really fow'd up design.
>>94321676>>94321354>>94321117I hate how this is the reason why we won’t get another ToTH reprint for years, and when we do, it’ll be new art where the Phyrexians are obese black queens with white pawns
>>94321569>millprojectile_vomiting.webm
>>94321569what would you say if they made mill viable in mh4?
>>94321830My reaction would be >>94321798This anons reaction to mill. I hate direct to modern cards.
>>94321836ok cool, I was testing if you were a drone who would clap when catered to. just because so many did this with UB
>>94321842All of my decks have gotten cartered to and i hate it. I dont want wizards to build me a deck. I want to build a deck
>>94321685Nice edit.
>>94321676
>>94321866yeah I feel you. that's the design philosophy in wotc today tho. instead of organic meta growth via standard, drones want ready to go decks that compete each other. kinda reminds me how many other tcgs deck construction either revolves around this "hero" card or have cards that refer to very specific other cards, both of these making decks homogenous
>>94321938Its why my biggest desire with magic is modern but without UB or MH. Only in universe standard cards.
>no discount on the marvel bundle unless you go full whale, unlike every other sale beforeThat's right, goyim. Now show me the money.
>>94321983The what? Sorry i cant hear you over the sound of my printer.
i wonder if the main design team at wotc are burned out yet
thank God I only play cube, I can continue to ignore the terrible decisions that WOTC and Hasbro make.
>local mall has a bi-annual "hobby & craft" show, always has tons of comic book, cards, board games, etc vendors, fills the entire mall with vendors and stalls, always hugely popular>every single vendor has Pokemon cards out in force, and for some reason this year old action figures are being pushed HARD and every stall had them both opened and in boxes>the one vendor that had anything MtG had some commander decks and one MH3 bundle which had clearly already been opened and was trying to sell it for $100Damn. Usually there are several people selling MtG singles and stuff but this year there was nothing.
>>94322036There's another pokemon bubble right now and Wizards stream of product releases is bad for smaller retailers, plus with them alienating their most dedicated fans it shouldn't be too surprising that not many mtg people showed up at a hobby and craft show.
>>94322044how the fuck is there another pokemon bubble? everything crashed. nobody is buying.
>>94322025oh how naive of you. you VILL assign damage at the same time it resolves. and you VILL adopt any future rules UB evetually brings
>>94322050There is always another pokemon bubble, doesn't matter how unstable, big, or small it is the game attracts investors due to how big the IP and card sales is compared to actual players.Heck I gave pokemon 3 card trick or treat packs and all the kids loved them on halloween, but I doubt any of them actually know how to play the game.
>>94322050>you will never tackle someone over a 5 booster tin in the local costco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1U480dV7b4hold me lads
>>94322057I don't care about rules changes, I just don't want to equip spider-man with a buster sword.
>>94322082>I just don't want to equip spider-man with a buster sword.ngmi
>>94322082you cube will get FUCKED once wizards erratas a mechanic in it so it works better with spongebob
>>94322173>erratas a mechanicHow many times has that happened outside of Companion?
So apparently MTG artists are being allowed to sell their art for UB stuff now, so that thing Donato went on a whole tirade about was basically just about dealt with.
>>94322080Hasbrobros... Where we failed? Why people is not head over heels for Magic?
>>94322182Phasing was generally overhauled to make it more understandable, and there's been minor tweaks to some mechanics in the past, but nothing as big as Companion in any recent years, no.
>>94322082I want to experience the exquisite pleasure of equipping Spongebob with Masamune to kill Aeris.
>>94322188Surprising that it was even a problem to begin with. Why would you ever want to prevent artists from selling their own work? It's practically free advertising in areas magic might not get traction to begin with.
>>94322207I'm so excited to cast Dr. Octopus while tapping Patrick to Saddle my Chocobo... Standard 2025 will be bonkers LMAO
Lmao
>>94322229Y-yeah
>>94322218IP issues, apparently. And from what people have said, this is more likely an exception and because these were traditionally painted, unlike most UB stuff.
>>94322258You know she's trans, right?
>>94322229Spongebob is a Secret Lair, not a set. Very likely it'll just be some reskins and maybe one unique card.
>>94322182>>94322195and the combat damage I just mentioned? people didn't believe in UB slippery slope so why am I expecting them to believe this
>>94322280Name literally one scenario you encounter regularly where the combat damage assignment change will matter at all.
>>94322279like that makes it any better
>>94322253Same here. Finished my order in under 8 seconds the second we could order and wait time is still over an hour.
>>94322279Oh then is okay anon, all fixed. Now i'm less angry about Final Fantasy and Spiderman polluting all MTG formats.Fuck off.
>>94322297Check again>The line is paused.
>>94322287god dammit it's the same shit as back then. why don't you understand it's the principle that mattersthen people just dismiss these concerns and say "I accept your concession" because they are talking about a different technicality2 more years, just wait and see
An issue already...
>>94322313I noticed you didn't answer the fucking question.
>>94321073I care about the pornographic fanart of female pl*neswalkers, does that count?
>>94322317I did, you just can't read. we are talking about different things, get a grip
>>94322277Pre-OP or post-OP?
>>94322309>Now i'm less angry about Final Fantasy and SpidermanA grown man typed this.
>>94322314>>94322297deserved
>>94322333kek
>>94322309stop making us look bad
Why did the set suck?
>>94322349because it was ravnica with detective hats
>>94322349themerpark set
>>94322349Because they swapped from New Capenna to Ravnica at the last second.
>>94322349The same that happened with OTJ and that will happen with Aetherdrift: Uninspired designs that are shit and just stick to a forced thematic.
Probably the most fun deck Duskmourn added involving this card
>>94322349Lame flavor, dull mechanics
>>94322349Because it's Magic the Gathering
i liked new cappena. i want more of that plane.
>>94322359Why'd they swap it?>>94322368I liked the cards of OTJ, I love westerns.
>>94322349Gimmick set that also had dog shit mechanics. Say what you will about OTJ and DSK but at least those sets were alright from a mechanic standpoint whereas MKM is even terrible from a play perspective too
>>94322349If you could choose between Final Fantasy set, without knowing the actual content, and MKM knowing the content. What would you choose anons?
>>94322377New Capenna was received poorly, Ravnica is one of the most popular planes they have.
>>94322379Wasn't Mark Rosewater behind MKM?
>>94322376oh yeah? name every letter in that plane name correctly
>>94322379I liked DSK. i feel the set was really cool, the introduction of demons as a thing particularly.
>>94322385>New Capenna was received poorlyI heard it was originally supposed to be a cops and robbers themed set and then the devs decided to be pozzed and remove police because ACAB and it ended up ruining the set. Is this true?
>>94322377if you really loved wild west you'd see why thunder junk was not good
>>94322359This has no basis in reality beyond vibes.
>>94322394>the introduction of demons as a thing particularlyDemons always existed in MtG.
>>94322388you mean streets of new capenna? the mafia families were kino.
>>94322384FF hands down
>>94322036the target near my house no longer has a magic section. it's dedicated to lorcana now lol
>>94322386Him and Mark Gottlieb co-led it.
>>94322384>Choose between UB set or MKMI'd rather choose none.
>>94322406Valgavoth no and he is a chad.
>>94322394The demons and glimmers were cool but fuck the survivors with modern technology and aesthetics
>>94322397They did say something about Brokers being more obviously corrupt cops, but then got scared off it because of that stuff, yeah.
>>94322397So, not quite. It was always a crime family thing, but one crime family, the Brokers, were originally gonna be corrupt law enforcement. Then George Floyd happened and they were like "Okay just the optics of having a corrupt police force are gonna be REALLY poor so we're shifting them away", but as a result it meant Capenna didn't feel like the crime was actually crime. They're just the leaders of the plane, there's nothing to do crime AGAINST.
>>94322384Muders at Karlov Manor. Faggots can meme all they want but at least Karlov Manor was Magic. The prostitution of the IP will only lead to the end in the long term, and you all will see it.
>>94322313>it's the principle that mattersSo you’ve got no ground to stand on and you’re just being a whiny faggot for no real reason? Fuck off, retard.
>>94322421I can agree with that. I rather Duskmourn 2 have only monsters, demons, assasins and glimmers, 0 ghostbusters retardation.
>>94322404Vibes are all that matters.
>>94322441Survivors should exist, but they should look like they're actually people in a post-apocalyptic death house, not just... Kinda people who seem like external investigators sent in. More Shrewd Storytellers, basically. I don't even mind the tech, just make it look more ragged.
>>94322440I knew it. just like with UB
>>94322397Yeah, they pussied out of having cops. When the mafia is running everything, it's not really the mafia anymore, it's just the government.
>>94322452>still refuses to elaborateNobody know what you’re even complaining about, thread schizo
>>94322455They half heartedly mentioned some actual government that was supposedly running things, but even the little that we do see are doing criminal stuff.
>>94322349Because it was a shitty joke set, just like every shitty set recently and upcoming (Wild West, Creepy pasta, Nascar, Space, Animals>>94322430>Clue joke set is magic just because it has some names I recognizeFuck off and die>You must wait 15 minutes to make this post
anyone gotten to play with this card? I'm thinking about adding to my cube, its such a unique effect though I have no idea how it will play out in practice.
>>94322314>>94322312Queue is running again. Still hour wait though.
>>94322349Barbie’s Playhouse set of “all your favorite characters are here… BUT DETECTIVES! XD”. The plot kind of sucked and so did most of the mechanicsThat said I fucking love the Case mechanic and I hope it can make a comeback one day. Locked Hot House, Shattered Pact, and Stashed Skeleton have put in work for me
>>94322349Mechanically lame, completely fucks Ravnica as setting, the premise is not even that fun.
>>94322475At this point I'm thinking they just assign website entry by random choice than than any actual queue
>>94322473It been a pretty fun card when I've drafted it either acting as a weird pseudo evasion or letting you loop low cost ETB creatures
>>94322473I have played with him a lot in DC, which sort of feels like a high power cube, but the main reason he's good is being a guaranteed turn 1 play for an aggro deck, although his ability does make blocking awkward for the opponent if the game goes late
>>94322473I've gotten him in draft a few times, and he is always good. Never was able to draft a bunch of ETBs, but even just having your cheap things not die in combat is great.
>>94322475I've done almost every drop since they went to limited print and they've all started at more than an hour wait. This is the first time it's taken more than 30 minutes to actually finish though, even without counting the time it was paused.
>>94322473It was phenomenal in draft with Arabella.
>>94322421>>94322441the expecto patronum shit was gay
>>94322614This one is actually moving, I was stuck in the BG3 queue for about 1hr 30m and by then it was all sold out
>>94322657Ah, I didn't do that one since I never played the game. Right now I'm about 1/4th through the line after queuing seconds after it opened, so it's looking to take at least that long.
>>94320439Is Jace like 40 something now?He looks so fucking old and haggard.
>>94322782planeswalker aging works in mysterious ways
>>94320496This art reminds me how awesome the Godzilla King of the Monsters trailer was and then the whole thing just ending up being dark blurry slop
>>94322782He's 28, born in 4534 while the current story takes place in 4562.Keep in mind he's been under a lot of stress basically his entire life.
>>94322782>>94322818Also he got Completated, had to burn the Oil out of his system via artificially induced immune response and then had to be surgically tended with phoenix feathers to to remove the worst of the fucked up robot parts.Also he is using an illusion to hide the worst of it anyways.
>>94322782They've never been consistent with character designs. But he's also gone through a lot of shit, so it'd make sense for him to look older.
Hey guys I haven't played Magic in literally 20 years or so but want to get back into it. I used a Sliver deck because they look cool. Are Slivers still a relevant thing and if so, what set should I buy for the new ones? And if not, what set should I get to get back into Magic? It looks like Bloomburrow is the most recent one, is that a good place to start?
>>94322873Stay gone.
Goblins will become a very annoying shit in Standard and Pioneer.
>>94322873slivers aren't really that good in any format so I think you should ask for help here>>94312356
>no merfolk support in foundationsIt's not fucking fair, fishbros. We were so close.
>6 drafts 7x0Guys, I'm beginnin' to feel like a Draft God, Draft God
>>94322916Doesn't count I'd you payed gems tbqh
>>94322916>7-0bo1 doesn't count
>put old secret lair into cart 10 min before marvel sale starts>get insta checkout>wait 10 min until secret lair got released>change cart at checkout>checkout 3 min after lair released>watch the melt down on r*dditsee ya later, nerds.
>>94322944what of value would one get from consuming? surely not just for having cardboard that comes from a specific printer so said printer can keep printing more cardboard
>>94322915Genuinely was a little heartbroken especially with how the earliest previewed cards were suggesting things like cat and vamp tribal being a thing
>>94322944how many are ya getting?
>>94322957>consumingI'm scalping these niggers dry. I couldnt care less for cape slop
>>94322973based jewish frog
>>94322973ah I see, based
Pissed off every EDH player in the MtG Discord for a month by pointing out how they're terrible at the game, and how they wouldn't bitch so often about their games if they learned just how hard their opponents were actually sandbagging.
Is Selesnya Company good?I want to invoost in a paper 60 card deck.
>>94323315but you adon't understand. all my decks are jank and my cards need other cards to function at all so I have to vomit everything on the table and one wipe is game over because no single card will be able to rebuild
>>94323349Very competitive Pioneer deck right now.Truth be told i would wait for Foundations is around the corner and though the set is mostly reprints there are some new cards that can impact Pioneer too.
>>94322349Feminists worked on it plus Woman designed its skeleton. Rotten from the core.>>94322782The last 10 years of game happened in like 3 years in universe. Yes wotc writing is shit.
What was the mechanics Coldsnap added?
>>94323354There's a retard in there that insists nobody runs "fast mana" at his table (down to saying Gemstone Caverns is "fast mana") then later admits he had Dockside Extortionist in 8 decks and tries to kingmake if anyone plays interaction against him.These players are legitimately too retarded to have any form of self-awareness which is why it's also so fun to point this out.
>>94323373read it on the wiki you lazy fuck
>>94323383But anon... you are the wiki.
>>94323402Cumulative upkeep was the worst mechanic Coldsnap introduced.
>>94320439can someone redpill on me on whether 3-year rotation is bad or not?
>>94323373Cum. Upkeep?
>>94322873Slivers are fun and playable in Pioneer.
you can jump the SL line using this linkhttps://secretlair.wizards.com/us/payment#/cart
>>94323420anon...
>>94323349yesenduring innocence and aven interrupter were really good additions to the deck, you're allowed to both be more proactive against slower decks and reactive against linear decks, it's just a matter of having the right creatures in hand when you need them
>>94323440Thank you, I'll spend some time reading about them and the Pioneer formant
>>94322450survivor should have required combat
>>94322973I bought Storm and Iron Man.What's the best way to flip this shit? Ebay? CK?
>>94323556I think WotC fucked us over. Everything is still available with nothing low stock.
>>94323373riple (the one you flip the top 4 cards and cast the same spell if you find it there)and the mechanic that you can pay a cost to return a card from the graveyard after a creature dies>>94322944Do people even care for marvel shit nowaldays?>>94322873in pioneer they are tier 2. Everywhere else they are shit (thanks FIRE)
>>94323564Secret lairs are literally print-on-demand you retard
>>94323564just hodl
>>94323572Does he know??
>>94320439>Back to game after hiatus>Planned on buying a couple of the Marvel Secret Lairs cause I needed some of the singles and the cards looked neat>See it goes up today>Cool I'll buy it when I get my paycheck Friday >Chatter is it'll sell out after the first hour because Secret Lairs aren't print to order anymoreLmao fuck this retarded company and its Jewery. I'm sure they'll sell out and make a gorillion dollars but it'll still be a gorrilion and one less than if they'd done print to order.
>>94323588>>Chatter is it'll sell out after the first hour because Secret Lairs aren't print to order anymoreStill hasn't sold out yet
buying the capeshit secret lair is pretty cringe
>>94323600Cool. If it sells out before Friday my point still stands.
I didn't have to wait in line at all for the Marvel slop.
>>94323641Because you were smart and didn't try to buy them right?
>>94322468This is like the only explicitly non-corrupt political figure on Capenna, I think, and I'm not even sure what government they're serving, because what government IS there?
oh no no no
>>94322782He's somewhere around 29-30 now. Vraska is pushing 40. Jace likes 'em older I guess.
>>94323618So is playing mtg in any capacity after the game was turned into a walking advertisement for other ips. Or posting in threads dedicated to it
>>94323661>JUSTShame Lili had to be a cunt
>>94323650He mapped out the distribution routes and broke into the warehouse. As we speak, he is loading the inventory onto a truck and preparing to burn what remains.
>>94323668She got fixed by Greek dick at least.
>>94323641 (me)>I didn't have to wait in line at all for the Marvel slop.Lmao Wizards REALLY cucked the fomo idiots.I used URL tricks and a guest account to order without waiting at all, less than 5 minutes in all for the whole process.I logged into my Wizards account and was hit by the cuck chair.
>>94323658lolThey'll charge $999.99 per booster if they think people will buy it.
>>94323658LMAO fine by me- I'm never buying any if I can't get them at my convenience within reason. Even if I had the money on me (and I do technically since I squirrel away 1/5th of my pay checks in a separate account for savings) I'm not playing that retarded game of spamming check out and trying to buy the damn thing while I'm at work before it sells out.
>>94323705>the promo card for every $200 is sold out everywhereWTF? how much are people actually spending on SL? Are there actually retards who buy every single drop/bundle???
>>94323742Speculators/investors+ whales+ redditors
>>94323742>Are there actually retards who buy every single drop/bundle???They do provide these types of bundles.Still consooming, but just saying.
In a year's time, what's to stop me from picking my stuff up and walking off when my opponent plays a UB card? At an FNM level I mean, playing competitive tournaments is gay and people play FNM for fun.
>>94323444Thanks anon, too bad the Arcane signet ran out before I ordered. I now know better than to wait in the line. Next time for sure I'm doing anything to skip the line since there is no consequence to not do so other than missing out on stuff.
>>94323752u gotta work on popularizing a UW only ruleset and then say "oh yeah i only play mtg commander"
Storm is a qt3.14
>both nig marvel cards are on low stock
>>94321304He dis always spent his spare time reading.
>>94323658>they added more stockcan't make it up
>>94321228i still think the crossovers would be more interesting if they were framed as an actual set and actually, you know, crossed over with the mtg characters and/or settings instead of just being,>member this thing from your favorite X
>>94323765So far if your not going the premodern route then the next best bet is looking to be some form of Pioneer which ignores UB sets
So if we can go by Marvel, Spiderman UB and most likely Final Fantasy UB will sell like hotcakes right?
>>94323800False flag>IT IS OVERI hope you didn't want that cool Jeska's Will, Anon.
>I cast Stor-
>>94323815Like $50 hotcakes.
>>94323809Disagree, I don't think there's anything wrong with applying MtG game mechanics to other settings, and I don't want Storm to meet Chandra.
>>94323844That said, I think a cute one-off crossover comic could be fun, but I wouldn't want the crossovers to actually 'happen'.
>>94323844I have not once heard anyone ever voice a complaint towards the proposal that UB is given its own format separate from the rest of mtg beyond the disgust of it existing in the first place.
>>94322377>Why'd they swap it?He's lying.Ravnica was chosen because it was a city, had an actual law system, and had characters people actually cared about if they died.
>>94321676They're saving that one for Mr. Rogers in a bloodstained sweater
>>94323871Originally, it was gonna be its own plane, but when they were creating the new plane they were like "wait, Ravnica has all the stuff we need anyway". They did apparently touch on Capenna but Capenna was both too recent and not THAT well-received, so.
>>94322377they swapped it in development because capenna was actually supposed to be a cops and robbers plane but they ditched all the cops because cops are bad cuz
>>94323786OG Bolas was so much cooler
>>94323786what the FUCK is he reading
>>94323654The government exist but it is nothing more than a façade to make the populace think they have any control.
>>94323654Wizards really does pussy out and miss golden opportunities for planes in trying to make the multiverse too clean.It's a prohibition america, but without the government that provides much of the tension in that type of setting. Even the gangs just feel like set pieces with an implied constant power struggle between then, when the story isn't even about their fight for power and dominance, heck were are the detectives?Oh and Thunder Junction, It's the wild west, but the natives are literal plants with no culture outside of what the enlightened foreigners gives to them.
>>94323937Exporting native american issues into a plane that can't fucking have them because they aren't the fucking natives is easily the most toothless thing these retards have done
>>94323970it's funny how they can't have native americans be anything in a set because it would be """"offensive"""" but we also had conquistadors vs native south americans in ixalan MULTIPLE times
>Shit Man was the last foil bundle to sell out
>>94323937
>>94323588Next time try not to be poor. MtG is for whales only
Congrats wizards, I actually think you failed the flavor/thematic purpose of this card
>>94324025Yeah it should just let you play any card from your deck. Mind/Mental stuff has always been about card draw and mill not mana costs
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/766239595791810560/hey-mark-i-have-played-against-a-few-ub-decks-and
>>94323750>non-foil bundle just below $200grim
>>94324025>>94324046That was a typo, I was actually trying to write 'nailed'.>Mind/Mental stuff has always been about card draw and mill not mana costsBut it's not mind/mental stuff?
>>94323815The short-term sales mean nothing. MtG is set for the largest player churn since Urza block or Cawblade in 2025. Absolutely no one is going to be able to keep up with this, and UB sets have huge diminishing returns.
>>94324061Thank you Mark. The 7 percent of the population shouldn't dominated the silent majority
>>94324061Longtime player here, can confirm.
>>94324084>Omniscience>1. The quality or state of being omniscient; the quality of knowing everything; -- an attribute peculiar to God>2. The capacity to know everythingit's literally knowing everything, not being all powerful
Did they overprint foil Iron Man, what's taking so long to sell out?He's the normie favorite, right?
>>94324061never, NEVER believe his lies.If he says "sky is blue" you better start assuming is red.
>>94324121The art sucks.
>>94324061I genuinely find it hard to imagine how he's gathering this data.Does Mark personally get analytics data from Amazon tracking if that account ever purchased Magic product before?
>>94323937>Thunder Junction is full of cool cactus people>barely even touched on in the set>focus is entirely on a bunch of nostalgia bait characters playing cowboy dress upSo much wasted potential. At least we got more Desert support
>>94324094thanks for the amazing statistic mark "50% of magic players are female" rosewater
>>94324126Nothing negative comes from believing him. Only idiotic schizos who misinterpret what he says get hurt by his words.
>>94324157I wouldn't doubt him if he said 50% identify as female
>>94324157Did he really say that? He said they put so many minorities on art was because most of the audience was white males.
>>94324126>>94324161The truth is that Mark when it comes to his blog is first and foremost a PR Guy, anything he says will follow the party line wizards wants him to say i'e him saying the opposite like two days before the UB announcement. Any data that he cites will be used in the most biased way possible for the sake of the current direction of the company. When it comes to background trivia or sets and old card design you can trust him because their is no financial risk i giving honest info about non relevant topics.
>>94324157Wouldn't be surprised if it was true. Kitchen table has always been the most popular format, and women love board games and collecting things.
Foil Iron Man is OUTThe entire lair is going to be finished by tonight
>>94324252Its 25% at most even if you include identitys
>>94324228Yeah, when it's about broader company direction you can't really take what he's saying as anything more than the company line. When it's about design ideals or what they're aiming for, that's generally more something you can take as-is (for example, saying that they're working to reduce the number of legends in in-Multiverse sets, which has borne out with Duskmourn at least having the lowest in quite a while). He does also always apply the caveat that he never really gives answers based on non-public info unless he's given a go-ahead to cite some market research, I think.
this draft was mediocre, how should i build this? glimmerlight is usually good but I don't see it helping this deck
>>94324264This game is so cookedIt's literally over
I just wanted to get my girlfriend a gift. I just wanted to make her smile after having such a rough couple of weeks. I have sat in a queue for nearly 4 hours and have just been told that the thing I wanted is completely sold out, and they won't offer me any compensation for my time or even the opportunity to buy something else for her. I am so upset.
>>94324267I think you've severely underestimating how many are in the hobby, they're just not going to tournaments and LGS and the like. If anything is misleading with his statement it'd probably be the word "players", they tend to prefer collecting and looking at art rather than grinding out games. You can look at Bloomburrow for a recent instance of that. Or look at TTRPGs, where there's a bunch of women who are into the roleplaying and storytelling aspect of D&D, basically ignoring the wargame part.
>>94324353maybe this and board in pede against rooms and cancel against control?
We need MTG 2.This can't contnue anymore.
>>94322057What we have now is closer to the (correct) damage on the stack, not sure what you're complaining about
>The portion of the "players" that only collect cards as if they were Funko
>>94324228cut the failed tests and 1 threats around every corner for chandelier and anthropoidbut honestly your deck is pretty, minimal removal and interaction, might even want to splash for white just to run the seized.
Lads, has anybody ever lost money on flipping an SL?>>94324374bro there was a way to not have this happen to you earlier in the thread. Sorry you got goyed (not really).
>>94324094There is a easier way for they to get good data: Make a secret lair with a massive popular franchise and take orders for it for 2 or 3 weeks.If more different people buy it in comparisson to normal SL(by different I mean people who doesn't usually buy SL) then UB is a Success.Using data from retailer sales over universes beyond product that have obviously staples in them is just a retarded take.Taking data from social midia and pools that anyone can vote and cheat to vote more than once is a retarded take.Amazing who even random anons can see the bullshit and how wotc is missmanaged all the time but the higher ups can't.
agree on chandelier it has multiple types for delirium
>>94323668Keep in mind that she is probably under Jace's illusion in this pic, she should be horribly scarred.
>>94324398You need to be very smart, very brave, and very lucky. And most importantly, you need to not be up your own ass.
>>94324414>Lads, has anybody ever lost money on flipping an SL?No but earlier less desirable SL have probably been sold for a markup lower than the overall inflation.
>>94324414>lost money on flipping an SL?There have been some lemons like the fireball one but flops aren't that common
I've made it through the queue, selected payment, confirmed...and products are locked, it sold out. Almost 4 hours wasted on this nonsense and nothing to show for it. Amazing.
>Another slop of subproduct sold outO-V-E-R.
Waited 4 hours just for the drops I wanted to sell out 2 minutes before my turn. I’m livid right now
>>94324450Her scars are mostly on her arms apparently, hence the gloves. Her face is fairly scarred but art doesn't show that, just like it's never showed Jace's apparently numerous scars from Tezzeret's torturing of him.
>>94324477deserved
four hours wait and i got nothing. thanks wizards.
>>94324509>>94324545good
I had just missed entering the queue before my flight took off and then wifi didn’t work on the first half of the flight. Finally got into the queue an hour after launch and all the bundles sold out while still in the queue…
>>94323661Ya'know Jace and Vraska assume humans and Gorgon's are biologically incompatible due to not being able to have a child.But it might just be Vraska's age and her eggs having rotted, but that's probably easier to fix using magic way easier than a species barrier.
This is obviously just the pre-game before offering secret lair subscriptions >sorry goy you missed out this time, now subscribe for 59.99/month plus tip or miss out next time
>>94324542>>94324556>STOP ENJOYING THINGS
Manyuu Hikenchou secret lair when?
I was ready to drop 200 bucks on the non-foil bundle, I'm sure there are countless others who can say the same, how the hell can this make any business sense? They are leaving money on the table while simultaneously pissing off their customers. How is this a rational way to run a business?
>>94324576Ravnicans seem to have extremely long lifespans, Teysa was over 100-something.
>>94324590Yes
>>94324590When the things you enjoy are bad things that are sympomatic buboes of social collapse and corporate recidivism, you need to stop enjoying those things.
>>94324590yes
>>94324610Isn't that due to ghost magic or something?
Yeah this is the last straw. I'm never buying another secret lair.i know a scalper will just buy the one I was going to, but fuck it.
>>94324597future fomo is a helluva drug
>>94324620No, Agrus Kos was also very old, and was said to LOOK old for his age too. Maybe Guild fuckery, I dunno. Gorgons we don't know how long they live, but I think the Sisters of Stone Death were all quite old too.
Dude, fuck Secret Lair and WOTC and all the botters. I added cards to my cart at 9AM, got in queue, waited almost 3 hours, I get to my turn to check out, my cart is empty. Such bs, if whatever I wanted was already sold out, why not say so instead of emptying the WHOLE CART. I have had better times trying to get concert tickets through Ticketmaster.
>>94324623>>94324635>Not 15 seconds apart Nigger, are you on a timer or something for your samefagging?
>>94324597Your $200 is completely meaningless chump change. They'll publish this to their investors as a massive win and bring in a thousand times that from any individual stock market investor that falls for their scam.Magic isn't for magic players, if it ever was.
>>94324635are all you fags new? what did you expect at this point
People are losing it over Marvel cards, that's why the IPs that should have stayed in Secret Lairs are in everything now. A bunch of scalpers are going to have a nice payday, but this is terrible for the long term health of the game and the market.jfc
>>94324648>They'll publish this to their investors as a massive win>Investors - "why did you make something that sold out in less than 5 minutes so limited?"
>>94324597>sell out the limited set because MUST CONSOOM and also scalpers >create mass FOMO amongst everyone that didn’t get to CONSOOM>release non-limited set after >sells gangbusters because all of the plebeians that missed out on the limited set are paying an arm and a leg to not be left behind again>do it all again when sales start to slow down on the non-limited sets It’s pretty simple anon. What part is confusing you?
>>94324659must be the slowpokest post in a while. this has been happening for YEARS now and the company is doing better than ever
>>94324386If the sole argument is there are people that exist that we cant track because they just buy cards online and never go out in public with them then i cant argue it. The only thing i can go by personally is what i see. What i see if women playing through their bf showing them the game and collecting because of that. I think their needs to be an entry point for these people who collect but dont play and for women i would usually assume thats a bf or other male friend.
>>94324614leave your mom's basement dude
>>94324673>release non-limited set afterThey don't do this part
>>94324616Kek
>>94324686Too busy scalping mahvel fren
i waited 3.5 hours in line and when it was finally my turn to checkout i got the notification "You have been disconnected automatically, please login again". after fiddling around with the site for the next 10 minutes trying to refresh, sign in/out and relaunch the browser i finally get to the checkout where 2/3 of the foil lairs that i originally had in my cart are now sold out when i could see them in stock on a second monitor prior to this notification appearing lmao kwab
>>94324590If the enjoyment was all that you wanted you could have just printed out proxies and played with them. You wanted something other than enjoyment.
I was in line and ready to purchase the product but I couldn't complete the checkout. even after several hours I was just sitting there refreshing the page to no awail. shit sucks. fuck this!
Real reddit hours
Adventures in Secret Lair Land >Login to website 30 min before Noon>At Noon exactly Add to Cart>Go to Checkout with item in cart>Wait in line on the same browser page for 3 hours>Finally I'm next in line and get my cart to see, it's Empty! >Look at remaining stock, Sold Out. I have avoided almost every secret lair of the past for similar reasons and cost. This will be my last adventure in Sucker Lair land. Faggot Hasbro. Never again.
I like this new pasta.
Which way yt?
>>94324673>>sells gangbusters because all of the plebeians that missed out on the limited set are paying an arm and a leg to not be left behind againExcept the next SL won't be these specific cards or even this specific IP probably- it'll be some other random shit with some other random IP people won't have as much interest in. It's like if Disney did a limited screening of Avengers 6 Gorillion and I missed seeing it that doesn't make me rush out the door to buy tickets for Frozen 5 the Refrozening.
>>94324731Wakanda forever, homie.
I would really want to know if all those messages about waiting for coonsom the last wotc scam are real or not, because that would explain a lot.
I redeemed all my "Husband Points" so my wife would let me take off work today. I had to make sure I had the time available to buy this new Secret Lair. I waited in queue for four hours, just for WOTC's system to boot me out when I was next in line?? Do they have any idea how long it took to save up those "Husband Points"? I washed dishes every night for a week while my wife went out with her boyfriend! I can't believe Wizards of the Coast would do this to me. What am I supposed to do without my Iron Man Secret Lair?
>>94324752Fuck WotC, my LGS still hasn't got their shit together for Foundations singles so I can actually buy the four or five cards I want from it.
Was logged into my account before the sale started.Soon as it started, added the foil+non foil bundle to my cart and proceeded to checkout. Waited in queue for over 3 hours until it was my turn to checkout. Then, I got a "Your session timed out, log in again" message. When I logged in, my cart was empty and the bundles were all sold out.>Thanks Wizards!!!
>>94324721You only hate it after they dont let you consume? So sad
Quick , how do i poo on all the cards before they ship out?
just like a good goysumerI was in linemissed it still after hours of wait
>>94324808Not to worry they come pre-poo'd
Please let all these cards come pre curled. Lowest quality cardboard possible
4 hours and 40 minutes of waiting starting at 9 PT, kicked back to page unauthenticated with an empty cart
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE
Aight but NEXT time I'll be ready! getting the whole shebang no matter what. gonna pay extro to not miss any of them by buying it all so I don't get this feeling again
>>94324846The Black Panther secret lair had the lowest value.
Overwhelmingly negative experiences I'm seeing here from Anons.My negativity comes from the fact the sale started at 4am local time for me.I don't want to fucking wake up at 4am to buy magic cards. If I did and was as quick as everyone else I'd be potentially waiting until what, 5am before I checkout? >Are you kidding?This is the first and last secret lair I will be attempting to buy. >Go to website as soon as I wake up and everything is sold out. Great, even that was a waste of my time
>>94324852>Mark Rosewater has heard your statementPlayers LOVE UB
this is just making me want the next one more.
I love seeing the site suck ass for UB. Next time they should make consumers suck rosewater before every purchase
Got in at 9:05am PST, waited until 1:50pm PST and everything is sold out. Hasbro and WoTC truly are idiotic and the move from print-to-demand to print-ahead-and-run-out is baffling, leaves profits on the table and leaves costumers angry. This is so shitty.
This is the state of things uh? Sounds like good now to see this product burn little by little, it's what should happen with this model focused on mindless consoomer.
And by that I mean I'll be extra ready to purchase whatever drop is coming up.
Not Magic the Gathering.
>>94324893>>94324863>>94324841>>94324819Are people actually buying this shit??? Womp womp for you if you tried
my wife and I just left and said we are gonna proxy. Wotc isn’t worth giving money to if they are going to make this something difficult to do, let alone line jumpers sneaking in and cheating their way through. I hope wotc cancels all their orders
wait why are you guys trying to buy this shitI thought we all hated universes beyond
WE WANT MORE
>Not Magic the Gathering.
>>94324928it's a pasta>>94324923nufag
>>94324846Magicsistahs… I thought black people loved Magic the Gathering. Why is Black Panther left in the dust?
I love Universes Beyond and any related product.I'm willing to wait 4 hours just to buy something of my favourite IP.
>Final lair is SOLD OUTHope you didn't wait in line Anon
when i'm out of pps i'm uninstalling modo and praying every night that all hasbro employees go to hell
Had a Wolverine set in my cart at 12:01, went to check out and got slammed into a queue. 4.5 hours later I was still in that queue, but everything was sold out. That was it WoTC, that was my last attempt ever to but a secret lair. I was planning on buying an extra life one, but now I'm not even going to do that.
people in treblinka had more fun than magic players
is modo even regulated as gambling, how the fuck are these people not in jail? does anyone audit the code
>>94325024same here
Everything just got Thanos snapped like my hopes and dreams, I just wanted to punch face with wolverine....
>>94325049This is like expecting a bunch of heroine addicts living on a desert island with an infinite supply of product to call in the coast guard
jesus christ arena players have hit a new low and I speak as onemy turn 2:>cast witch's vanity, kill a targetmy turn 3:>vanity creates food token, cast fallaji archaeologist, gets a shifting griftopponents turn 3:>taps out, casts urabrask's forgeare they just bots autopiloting decks by playing highest mana cards available in hand each turn and attacking with everything, or what
>>94325114I've had multiple people try to protect their creature from this using shardmage's rescue. So yeah, autopilot is generous.
I got in the queue at 12 EST exactly, and after 4+ hours of waiting until I got past the queue I have absolutely nothing to speak for it except a full wallet I'm going to spend on a box of Star Wars Unlimited. Gonna proxy the hell out of these cards for a pittance. Thanks Wizards!
this thing is HUUUUUUUGE
>>94325192based hugeposter
>>94325114Maybe he had another forge in hand + pick your poison and no other useful stuff?
>>94325144t1 boros land heartfire herot2 plains optimistic scavenger, hold up shardmages rescue-> plenty of where to run
>>94325114Most players don't read your cards. Play lizards and enjoy all the people who don't read pic related and scoop after blocking your 3/2 with a 1/4.
I sat in queue for five hours only to have an empty cart when reaching the checkout screen. Absolutely abhorrent behavior by the business and development teams.
>>94325264Yeah
>>94325260>Lizard, Mouse, Otter or Raccoonwhy the fuck did they use Batching in literally just the previous set, and then completely ignore it with the fucking mess of tribal synergies for BLB? and every fucking tribal effect has to reference all the 2 color pairs that color is in, so all 5 lands hit 5 different typeswould it kill them to just let each of these effects hit all the critters?
>>94325250Ok, I drop it on scavenger. You going to rescue that?
>>94325343nope I'm going to hit you with my 4/4 heartfire hero and you're down a -x/-x removal spell and even if you have another removal it probably makes you lose 4 life
>>94325342Batching sucks and the less they use it the better
>>94324100>>94324126Would Todd Howard replacing Mark Rosewater improve Magic?
is magic dead yet?
>>943254295 more years
>>94325380I dunno man I think its an improvement
reminder that buying this garbage is why they print itdoing so to resell is not an excuse
>>94325503Anon you you were little Timmy opening up a deckbuilders toolkit to play with his friends with little to no outside context, would you know what an undead is?And then could your realistically justify saying your friends ghost is an undead is if your buddy says his ghost isn't one?
>>94325503What is an Undead?
>>94325114no arena player has ever read their opponents cards. ever.they will either throw removal at the first thing you put out or pilot an uninteractive pile and not care about what you do
>>94325503Batching is a solution for an already overcomplicated card type system. A superior card game would just give all of those creatures an "undead" type to begin with.>>94325559It's a custom card. Little Timmy will never have to deal with this, and WotC batching cards pretty much always have reminder text.
>>94325503Why doesn't it just say "black creature"?
>>94325587Nightstalkers, Nightmares and Thrulls are canonically not undead
>>94325587we don't condone racism here
I didn't even care about the SL but when the URL exploit was noticed, I couldn't help it.Can't wait to flip this shit to fund my actual decks.
>>94325503Batching would need reminder text for that anyway. It's a lost cause when WotC will simultaneously fold certain creature types into others for mechanical efficiency, but then also randomly add new types like Snail or Capybara for no reason.If they were smart, they would have done aspects of this from the start>Creature - Undead Zombie>Creature - Undead Spirit>Creature - Sea Serpent>Creature - Sea KrakenAnd then you could just have 'batches' as another subtype instead.
>>94325342The only cards that reference multiple creature types are the callers and the mono colour lands which is like 10 cards total, they probably didn't feel it was worth doing batching for such a small, specific set of cards
>>94325621Yeah, typelines aren't already crowded enough as they are. We really need more of those fuckers in there.
Is it true Valgavoth's design was made by the the artist of Silent Hill and not that he's only a special guest artist?
>>94325639This is only a problem because some moron decided that creatures should have [race] [job] in their typelines because clearly Angel wasn't descriptive enough, it has to be Angel Warrior!
>>94325666god forbid someone might want to play tribal with a class instead of larping about race wars
>>94325677Why they turn Japanese plane into Cyberpunk shit
>>94325587
>>94325585If there was an Undead type, you could give it to a game's unique types of undeads to clarify what they are. New players might not immediately assume that Phyrexians are undead, for example. A batching system for undead that's made for an Innistrad set might exclude phyrexians, since mentioning them out of context might be confusing for new players, and the reminder text including a bunch of other types of undead would take up extra space on the card. An "undead" type is just a better solution if they want to design cards that care about all types of undead.Take the party mechanic for example. Your party has to consist of a warrior, a rogue, a cleric, and a wizard. You can't swap the wizard out for another magic user, you can't swap out the cleric for a different sort of healer, you can't swap the rogue for a ninja or an assassin or a ranger or a pirate, and you can't swap out the warrior for a soldier or a berserker etc. So now D&D sets can't utilize the party mechanic, except as a gimmick on a few rares, since D&D is supposed to have barbarians and rangers and other classes aside from the basic four, most of which can fill the roles of a melee fighter or a magic user or some other niche. If all cards representing melee fighters shared a "fighter" type, and if all sneaky characters, rangers, ninjas, etc, shared a "rogue" type, then you could have the party mechanic in D&D sets, and you could use older Zendikar cards in party decks as well. You could build a "party" out of any band of creatures that fit the criteria, not just specifically warriors, rogues, clerics, and wizards.
>>94325662No, the designer for Valgavoth was largely John Tedrick, who worked closely with the art director for the set.
>>94325698So you'd need every card to have race, class, batch, maybe supertype, or more? You're just creating new problems. There's no reason to make a ranger a "ranger rogue" or a ninja a "ninja rogue", that's just pushing the problem from the text box to the typeline.
>>94325688People weren't into Japanese Spiritually back in the day and so got confused and block was shit on top of it.This made the setting untouchable by wizards for decades even after fans got over their hang-ups with the flavor and wanted a revisit.Then they were going to make a cyberpunk plane and decided to make Kamigawa into the cyberpunk plane for the people asking without having to risk actually following up Kamigawa.
>>94325639There's more room on typelines than there is in textboxes for >Undead (Shades, Skeletons, Specters, Spirits, Vampires, Wraiths, and Zombies are Undead)And it also helps to avoid cases where more niche types like Graveborn get overlooked, and avoid a batch no longer being encompassing if a new creature type gets introduced.
>>94325732NTA but personally I think the typeline has more space to give in terms of mechanical density
>>94325779Only if they stop translating to german and french
>>94325677Tribal decks were always shit.
>>94325779>creature - zombie undead ninja rogue outlaw partymemberIs this is the world you want? Maybe we also throw human in there, because we have nonhuman zombies.
>>94325599Neither are humans or merfolk, but black is the evil color, and it's a lot less clunky than shoving a dozen creature types into an ability or using batches, which require a dozen words in reminder text anyway.>>94325600If they don't want me to feel that way, they shouldn't act that way
>>94325802oooh you can't call tribal decks shit! *slams table* I play tribal decks! my decks aren't shit! *breaks keyboard* oooooooooooooouuugh! *steam comes out of my ears*
police on patrol, firefighters fighting fires, nurses nursing patients, surgeons operating, military personnel serving, teachers teaching.WotC and Hasbro says "SECRET LAIR DROPS AREN'T FOR YOU!"
i just trophied twice. the pack EV is .90? who the fuck is playing limited? are they insane? the cards are literally worth less than dogshit
>>94325840tbhdesu ninjas should have just been assassins and pirates should have just been rogues. samurai shouldn't have been a class at all, it's a social class not a job. Most shinobi that we know about were also samurai. In a perfect world, Outlaws of Thunder Junction just has rogues tribal, and the outlaw groups include ronin and pirates from other planes that are naturally just rogues anyhow.also zombie elves are retarded. When a human becomes a zombie they lose their humanity, so an elf zombie should lose its elvinity. You could probably make a case for elf spirits though. Elves are magical creatures, so maybe there's something about their souls that makes their elvishness stand out even when they're spirits, or maybe instead of dying all at once, elves slowly fade into spirits near the end of their long lives, or something. "zombie version of X" is just a tacky and boring way to add multiple tribal types onto one creature. Even including the example you posted. Woah, it's like a ninja but also a ZOMBIE??? wooooah time to brew a wubrg zombie apocalypse edh deck with no coherent strategy!!! Now if this wasn't just one random creature, but a whole faction that has both ninjas and necromancers, and consequentially undead ninjas that can take advantage of their appearances to disguise themselves as corpses, then maybe that would be sort of cool, depending on the execution. But no this card is just boring campy bullshit. I would've preferred if it was just a ninja.
i put the Secret Lair Iron Man in my cart when it was still available, waited 2 hours in the digital queue, and it's gone. Sold out. Not in my cart, not available. Great job wotc the scalpers will be very happy. These fags are the worst now.
>>94326008>admitting that you bought the capeshit secret lairLMAOOOO
MTGO dropped the connection and when it restored it had taken Valg P1P1 so I forced Orzhov Reanimator and it was my best deck by far. This game is nonsensical
Line cutters suck in all spaces. I hope it's possible to track these people down and revoke their sale.
>>94325250oh dangim gonna take like 8 damage before i wrath youhow will i ever recover
Wowwwww THANK you PIKACHUGIRLTITS for shuckin’ and jivin’ reaaaaal good for Massa MaRo. Thank god we got tranny coons like you to spook it to the crackas at WOTC. They know WAAAY BETTER THAN YOU ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE GAME GOOD!!! FUCKING TRANNY COON WASTE OF BREATH WHALE SLOP EATING FAGGOT! GOD WHAT A WORLD. SO GLAD YOU CAN LOVINGLY SUCKLE MARO’S CIRCUMCISED COCK WHILE PALESTINE BURNS AND ZIONFAGS RAPE THE WORLD! SO HAPPY FREAKING SPIDER-MAN IS ON MY FREAKING CARDBOARD! YES MASSA GIVE ME MORE SLOP!!!
So is MTG still trash aggro/combo nonsense or should I go back to playing it?
>>94326189you can definitely play control in pioneer but it seems like the only option is azoriousyou can play control in modern but you need a playset of the ring, which everybody agrees is gonna get banned in decemberyou can play beans control in legacy but you need all the legacy blue staples
>>94326230Why would I play some gay nu-mtg faggotry like pioneer?Why would I play some aggro/combo format like modern?Why would I try to get some extremely overpriced cards just to play legacy which is also impacted by the gay combos?
>>94326241I don't know why'd ask then, what did you use to play before?
the secondary market is really a scourge on this game. print shit to order, if you still want fomo make it a limited time order. Hasbro is struggling for money and they do shit like this when they could have made multiple times the amount they did. Wild mismanagement going on over there.
>>94326160To be fair that's not the weirdest tumblr username I've seen.>>94326189This isn't a great time to get invested in the game. I'd only recommend using cockatrice and a draft simulator to simulate drafting old packs, or something. Maybe if you have a friend who's into MTG you could ask if he has a cube put together. There's other card games you could be playing but none of them are particularly popular so if your intention is to find a game that already has a lot of players and events there's basically zero good options. Yugioh has one official format and that format is shit, aggro/combo nonsense as you just described but even moreso, plus all of the current cards are just lame references to random surface-level animes since Yugioh no longer has its own show and is forced to market itself as "that one Japanese card game that autistic weebs play," and Pokemon is for babies. So you could try Flesh and Blood I guess, idk man. There's also a lot of hearthstone-likes.
Nearly 3 hours in the "line" to get Marvel Secret Lairs. See the notice that the Arcane Signet bonus is sold out during wait.Finally hear the musical cue that wait session is over only to get a notice that my session has timed out and all Marvel product is now listed as "Temporarily Unavailable".Maximum butt-hurt.
>>94326266Obviously he's a (rightfully) butthurt magic player larping as a non-magic player.
>>94326271>Yugioh has one official format and that format is shit, aggro/combo nonsense as you just described but even moresoThat's why I don't like Yugioh and the reason I don't like playing the current iteration of MTG. It's too much like Yugioh. Extremely gay. >>94326279>larping as a non-magic player.Absolutely wrong. I'm not larping as a non-magic player.
>>94326274WHY ARE YOU STUPID RETARDS GUZZLING MARVEL SLOP
>>94326305Because he's a mindless subhuman who really should've been aborted by his mother.
I actually just have no words for Wizards right now. Waited in line for two hours, got absolutely nothing. Wanted the promo, wasn’t available when I entered the line at noon.
>>94326379Why did you even go you fucking retard. If you had a brain you'd know better.
>>94326379WHY DO YOU CARE
is izzet delver/terror still playable in pauper
I gave up my lunch break today to wait in line for Captain America. Even when I hit the checkout button less than a second after the clock struck noon, it still took an hour and a half for it and I was seriously concerned I'd get randomly booted during the 25 minutes everything was paused. This was dumb and I'd have bought more if it were printed to demand instead of doing this narrow window rat race.
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