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>>94411544lol primaris are gay, just like the fangoys
Lore "marines are super duper ultra powerful and better than humans" fags fear Vauban>Vauban raised his sword in salute and, without warning, leapt towards Honsou, thrusting with his energised blade.>Honsou swayed aside and swept his sword round, slashing the blade towards Vauban. He ducked and spun away, slashing high with his sword.>Honsou deflected the sweep and stepped back, his sword raised before him. Vauban recovered his balance and advanced towards Honsou. He lunged again and Honsou expertly blocked the thrust, rolling his wrists and slashing at Vauban's head. But he had read the move on Honsou's eyes and the castellan dodged the blow.>Wary now, the pair circled each other, their defences alert for any sudden moves.>Honsou attacked, a flashing whirlwind of steel, forcing Vauban backwards step by step. Vauban parried a vicious slash aimed at his chest, launching a lightning riposte at his foe. The blade scraped a deep furrow in Honsou's armour, but slid clear before drawing blood. >Honsou retreated and Vauban followed with a grin of anticipation, launching himself at Honsou with fresh vigour. Honsou was a powerful warrior, but Prestre Vauban had been a student of swordplay his entire life and each attack drew fresh blood from his adversary.>He hammered his enemy's defences again and again, forcing him slowly backwards until Honsou stumbled and lost his footing.>Vauban spun left and struck out at Honsou's sword arm. Honsou was quick, bringing his block up just in time to intercept the blow, and their weapons met in a coruscating halo of sparks. Vauban roared as Honsou's blade snapped and his own smashed home. The Iron Warrior grunted in pain as his arm was severed just above the elbow.>Honsou retreated, stumbling as blood sprayed from the stump of his arm.>Seizing the opportunity, Vauban leapt in the deliver the deathblow, but, at the last second, realised Honsou had lured him into the attack.Bro had to lose an arm to beat an unaugmented human lol
40k end times soon
>>94411568>40k end times soonOnly if you hold your breath until it happens. If you don't it won't come true, anon.
>>94411544>TQSorry, as of the 4th Tyrannic War all Marines are Tyrannic War vets now;^)
Data slate when? Didn't they say December? Right after WCW then?
Anyone knows if the UM upgrades from 30K would fit well in Primaris? I like the Roman angle and there's not enough if that on the 40K models.
>>94411609Now is not December.
In grimdark future there is only anglo food
>>94411609>Data slate when? Didn't they say December? Right after WCW then?The earlier the better. My iron hands list has been unusable for more than 6th months now.
>>94410398Valrak says there's gonna be a launch box shown:- Codex with DKOK Art- Artillery piece- Mounted DKOK officer- 10 Death Riders- 5 man Special Weapon squad with cyclopsI just want my unit rules to stay relevant for another 20 years
>>94411555
>>94411568>40k end times soonSays nervous man for the 8th time this year.
>>94411544The last thread's TQ made me realize there's no Jack Garland character in 40k.
>>94411656IFUCKINGLOVEHORSEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
>>94411706calm down, girl
>>94411706
>>94411651Ironhands Ironstorm is like the one usable list
>>94411697I think everyone who's out to kill chaos loves navel gazing and deepestlore blabbing to be a proper Garland
>>94411773Malum Caedo?
>>94411719>replaying bloodborne right nowbest fucking game ever
Imagine someone like Tyberos or Asterion becoming primaris. What would they even wear?
>>94411554>started after primaris were a thing
>>94411754You sure about that champ?
>>94411851Tacticus Armor
>>94411568You're like seven years too late. It already happened.
>>94411866Asterion as big as a custodes and Tyberos is so big his armor is made from the parts of a dreadnought.
>>94411906>Asterion asAsterion is as*
>>94411906Tacticus MkXL, Invictor Class Warsuit
Looking at my primaris I was thinking about how weirdly big they look. I don't have any guardsmen to compare them to though. After a couple of months of painting marines I'm also kind of getting tired of them being on my table and want to do something else, like landscape.
>coomer Tau'va and cultist-chan by mossa
>>94411555In space marine 2, Varius or whatever his name is the sergeant guy gets blown up by a normal ass bomb trap set by a chaos guardsman/cultist. SM aren't meant to be invincible, just really good shock troopers.
>>94411924I keep wondering how many dead marines are really dead and not suspended animation.
>>94411919I think Guardsmen are in proper scale with them, both old and new. It was old Marines that were undersized. Sisters, Custodes, and Eldar are a tad wonky but it's hard to say for certain.
>>94411853>only newfags hate the new modelsLmao cope. By all means, convince yourself that you like models you don't actually like. I cant build an army out of the few primaris units I like, and I won't field retarded looking meta-slop as the loyalists do.Too bad, because I planned to do a loyal army eventually, but then primaris started to come out.
>>94411851>>94411906Sounds like a good excuse to shit out another 70 dollar special model like Gulliman.
>>94411851oh no! slightly above average marines, whatever shall we do when they become slightly above average primaris!
Centurions aren't good looking models but I like them.>>94411936I like the storm speeder, but it's just a sized up land speeder anyway kek.>impulsor>repulsor>pulsorsorI do not need these.
>>94411944Yeah the vehicles were the biggest turn off to me too, I like the ww1 treaded aesthetic of days past. Luckily I can field the rhino and land raider chassis to my hearts content as a csm player.
>>94411906I still haven't read any source that show their heights aren't grossly overstated by fans. And for being supposedly made from dread bits Tyberos sure looks exactly like every single Terminator.
>>94411979Maybe they meant Tactical Dreadnought armor. AKA terminators
>>94411961>spikes on the underside of the track skirtOh I hate that.
>>94411991In my head I can imagine the dark mechanicum adept who is so dedicated to being edgy that he attaches new spikes after they break off in every single battle, and that amuses me.
>>94411991Bless the Angels of the Chaos Gods for they plow the land as they go.
>>94411998>>94412014>be chaos land raider>try to go over rough terrain>spikes get lodged in some rock>lifted off the ground>tranks can grip anything >stuck
>>94411943I wish I had gotten some minotaurs
Do red corsairs do a "deathwatch" thing and keep their old heraldry or do they usually go full black and black red and fully switch
>>94411961>I like the ww1 treaded aesthetic of days past. Luckily I can field the rhinoThe rhino is pretty much an M113. Not exactly WWI-core.
>>94412043You forgot>beseech the dark gods to get you unstuck while shouting curses and applying the dark ministrations of machine bashing
>>94412055>daemons appear inside, start ripping out wires and attacking everyone
>>94412052In old white dwarfs I remember the red corsairs being the exact colors of the renegade marine's original chapter but with a red X over the heraldry on the pauldrons.
>>94412059Sounds like it's working as intended, praise the dark gods.
>>94411979>I still haven't read any source that show their heights aren't grossly overstated by fans.Firstborn are 8ft tall, Tyberos and Asterion being giants are at least 9ft tall.
>>94412052it's chaos, do whatever you want
>>94412067>Firstborn are 8ft tall7ft tallprimaris and custodes are 8ft tall
>>94412052Do whatever you think is cool.
>>94411555>you mean the propaganda fed to peasants by the emperium and whales/children by GW isnt true?!
>>94412078>7ft tallOld, obsolete boomerlore.Firstborn are 8ft tall, primaris are 9-10ft tall.
>>94411924>In space marine 2, Varius or whatever his name is the sergeant guy gets blown up by a normal ass bomb trapIt's a not a normal ass bomb trap if it can kill a marine.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>94412093Magnus is the tallest superhuman bar maybe big emps (in their average forms, as bith were quite malleable) and he's 10 ft.
>>94412093Source?
I think something broke inside space marine fanboys when Custodes became an army. The superiority complex inside them just doubled down and got extra defensive.
>>94412103I am coming. The Dark Eldar refresh can feel it.
trying to figure out a kitbash for a dark angels judiciar, these prices are too wild for me. 1 or 2?
>>94412116>crowdsourcing your daydream
>>944121161 is better as is, 2 is.more customizable of you have the extra bits to throw in there.
>>94412099>a normal bomb can kill a marine>it was a normal bomb set up by some pissed off dirt farmer>this kills the marine and lorelets
>magnusHe's a daemon and before that a psyker who could change his physical size, a trick that Emperor knew as well.>>94412108https://x.com/warhammer/status/1501974626171240452
>>94411979For Tyberos, from Carcharodons: Outer Dark:>It stood apart from its brethren, alone, a dozen paces behind them. Even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes the figure was a giant, standing a head above the rest. It was clad in Terminator armour, and for a moment Otte’s analytics glitched, informing him he was looking at a graven statue. A slight shift in the giant’s stance discounted that possibility – dust cascaded from the cliff-like plates of its immense armour and its huge, wickedly barbed gauntlets. Every inch of the warrior was clad and armed with the most hallowed and rare pieces of wargear Otte had ever set his optics upon. It made the other Space Marines standing in his shadow seem like children.
>>94411924Space Marine 2 also has pair of intercessors lead by a primaris lieutenant kill a lord of change when they were in the warpAnd it has a dreadnought kill a helldrake with a building
>>94412093>Old, obsoleteno, that's the correct and current loreprimaris are explicitly 8ft tall and explicitly one head taller than firstborn, and sculpted to match that in scale
>>94412126>>it was a normal bomb set up by some pissed off dirt farmerIt was a bomb made by a tzeentch cultists who have direct help from the TSons while also being so infested in the planetary system that there are cult members in the govermental bodies as well.It was not just a "regular bomb".
>>94412078Custodes taller than Primaris.
>>944121328' tall primaris confirmed.
>>94412132That's a Primaris, slowpoke. Firstborn are 7'0.
>>94411924>gets blown up by a normal ass bomb trap set by a chaos guardsman/cultist. SM aren't meant to be invincible, just really good shock troopers.It was a meltabomb, which alongside krak grenades are anti-tank weapons that are cheap and easy enough to mass produce to the point even starving guardsman can wear them.What a lot of retarded secondaries don't understand is that "Marines are incredibly powerful super soldiers and Custodes are EVEN BIGGERER BETTERER SUPER DUPER SUPER SOLDIERS!!!" is only within the context of fucking INFANTRY. There's some very simple premises that bolter porn retards utterly fail to hold in their head and which results in them seething every time their favorite Power Armor faction sees even the smallest losses. 1. Marines ride in Rhinos as transports because they're faster and tougher than even Marine Power Armor2. Rhinos are ubiquitous AdMech vehicles in wide service across the Imperium 3. Rhinos are frequently flattened or exploded to smithereens by weapons like meltaguns, lascannons, missile launchers, krak grenades, melta bombs, and even overcharged plasma, let alone the real heavy duty shit like Knight mounted Inferno Lances or D-Cannons4. Therefore, all of the above that destroy the transport a space marine is riding in will also turn a space marine struck with one into chunky salsa.Same with Custodes and Land Raiders. Custards still ride in Land Raiders, anything that can vaporize one can also turn banana jannies into melted butter. As well, since they're infantry, anything that completely bypassed armor entirely is still effective and can kill them: this includes the infamous tantrum-inducing incident where a bunch of jannies got their brains melted by clowns using Neuro Disruptors. It doesn't matter how thick your Auramite armor is if you still have a squishy meat paste grey matter brain inside your skull, and Custards are all psychically neutered so they can't even Jimmy Neutron brain-blast to save themselves
>>94412145No, on average they aren't, they're only consistently taller than firstborn, not primaris, and the models agree on that.
>>94412140>no, that's the correct and current loreNope.>>94412132
>>94412156that's a primaris, the post is mentioning the height of a primaris, which is 8 feet.
Do dark angel successors have access to terminator armor or are they exclusive to deathwing?
>>94412146>>94412148Doesn't say anything about a primaris.It's just a "space marine".>but mk10 armorMk10 is the new default, mk7 no longer exists in high numbers.
>>94412135So about as big as a Primaris before those existed? Yeah, he's big, but that (admittedly cool) picture with the mantis warrior is very exaggerated, as is his general perception.
>>94412161Nope, doesn't primaris anywhere.It's just a space marine.
>>94412165>Doesn't say anything about a primaris.because primaris are the new standard, and the 7' tall marinelets are old and obsolete and incompatible with mkX armour.
>>94412165>Primaris is the new default, Firstborn no longer exists in high numbers.FTFY
>>94412154LolLmao
>>94412167>is very exaggeratedIt's accurate.Manlet marines are short, tyberos is a giant.
>>94412172>doesn't primaris anywhere.it does primaris everywhere, terard.
>>94412165>Doesn't say anything about a primarisare you retarded or just being purposefully disingenuous?Primaris marines are taller than non-primaris, even Firstborn who cross the Rubicon have their entire skeletons painfully melt down and regrown larger; the in-universe size disparity is part of the justification for why firstborn can't use any of Cawl's new toys
>>94412173>because primaris are the new standardThey aren't.Primaris are still new within the Imperium, the indomitus crusade is less than 20 years old, firstborn are still the standard.
>>94412136They don't kill it, they fend it off, and in the next part of the fight the LoC quickly owns them and would have killed them on the spot if not for Calgar fighting it (it was wearing Calgar down as well) and Titus breaking the stupid mcguffin.> dreadnought kill a heldrake with a buildingThat was based.
>>94412179Anon, "one head taller" means you're about shoulder-level to the other dude. That Mantis Warrior on the pic could give Tyberos a standing BJ, he's fucking waist-level.
>>94412186The tweet only says "space marines", there it never mentions "primaris".Space marines are 8ft tall on average.Firstborn are space marines and 8ft tall. Primaris are a head taller than firstborn, so 9-10ft tall.
>>94412178Did Custodes get Prismarisized too or ar those marines just (lower case M) manlets? Both Custodes and Primwris are supposed to be 8 feet-ish.
>>94412189GW retconned the century+ time skip down to a couple decades but still continue as of that's how much time has actually passed in all official media, Primaris are definitely the new standard and literally every named marine is now a primaris
>>94412191Tyberos isn't just 1 head taller, he's so big that he makes other marines around him look like children.>>94412135Tyberos is a giant.
>>94412189>They aren't.They are, marinelets no longer exist in high numbers and the increasing lethality of the galaxy forced the remaining ones to take geneseed reassignment surgery and make geneseed replacement therapy obligatory for all chapters since the start of the indomitus crusade.
>>94412189That retcon was so fucking stupid it almost defied belief> should we give the players a big chunk of time in which to forge their own stories and background for their dudes?> nah fuck that BUY OUR SPECIAL CHARACTERS NEVER CONVERT A MODEL ONLY CARE AVOUT OUR STORY NEVER MAKE YOUR OWN!!!!!!Literally the attitude that has killed GW mainline games
>>94412189Not since Cawl just fixed the issues with the Rubicon and every Firstborn got the surgery at first chance.
>>94412197Custodes were always taller than primaris.
>>94412201Doesn't matter and you're shifting goalposts.Primaris are not the standard "space marines" at all, it is still firstborn, and firstborn are 8ft tall due to this.
>>94412202can you read >standing one head tallerthat's it, he was 8ft tall in a sea of 7ft tall manlet marines.
>>94412202Did you not read your own fucking post?>Even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes the figure was a giant, standing a head above the rest
>>94412132>transhumanxisters, our time has come
>>94412209This just means all firstborn are 9ft tall gigachads like primaris then.
>>94412165>>94412172Ok, so where does it say Primaris are 9-10 feet then? Because if you can't find it, all space marines (primaris included) are 8 feet.
>>94412212No, Primaris are absolutely the new standard. There were less than a million marines in the entire galaxy before Cawl vomited out multiple entire legions' worth of Primaris AND started converting every single existing Firstborn into Primaris. The median space marine is a Primaris. The only sizeable population of firstborn left are Chaos
>>94412210custodes were never taller than primaris and they were never female.the wh+ episode is negative canon.
>>94412217>>94412219>you didn't read the postNiggers did you read the post yourself?>It made the other Space Marines standing in his shadow seem like children.Also you forget marines are bigger in everyway, marine being 1 head taller is gonna be a lot more than just 1 foot as well due to basic proportions.
>>94412210One head taller than Heresy-era marines, which are as tall as 40K Firstborn. Primaris are one head taller than Firstborn. Ergo, Primaris are the same size as Custodes.
>>94412227>D-doesn't countI accept your concession.
>>94412225Primaris Marines are 8 feet tall, as GW officially stated.Primaris Marines are taller than Manletsmanlets are 7 feet tall.
>>94412226>No, Primaris are absolutely the new standard.Modelwise.Lorewise no.Still primaris are still not the standard at all, the indomitus crusade is less than 2 decades old, the firstborn are still the standard at large in the galaxy.
>>94412212Show me ONE instance where Firstborn outnumber Primaris, if they are even present at all.
>>94412143>A bomb made from shitter pipe and cow manure cobbled together by half retard peasants with feathers up their asses>not a regular bomb, a shit bomb that would make a gsc laugh.
>>94412230>One head taller than Heresy-era marinesPrimaris you mean >>94412178
>>94412235>Primaris Marines are 8 feet tall, as GW officially stated.Space Marines* are 8 feet tall, as GW officially stated.Manlets are 6ft tall.
>>94412228HOW BIG YOU THINK THIS MANTIS WARRIOR'S HEAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOU FUCKING IMBECILE>>94411851
>>94412228>due to basic proportions.space marine heads aren't significantly biggerwhat the hell do you think a marine proportions even are?
>>94411863>le table with no axis labels face
>>94412242>Show me ONE instance where Firstborn outnumber PrimarisFor the last 10 000 years ever since M31 until M41.
Why doesn’t GW release different physical versions of codices and the BRB? Seems like a decent way to make more money and would help with figuring out if a book is good or bad or not; at least in the past anyway.
>>94412217A Space Shark terminator's head. "The rest" were terminators of the Space Sharks.
>>94412253>HOW BIG YOU THINK THIS MANTIS WARRIOR'S HEAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOU FUCKING IMBECILEMantis warrior is a manlet.Tyberos is a giant.It's simple.>>94412259They are, humans, even space marines, grow proportionally.Marine heads are too big to be put on normal human models. 1 unhelmeted marine head is significantly bigger than a helmeted SoB head.
>marines need to set up heavy bolters before going full auto>sargeant Harker can full auto that butch on the moveCatachads must be at least 12 feet tall
>>94412241>Still primaris are still not the standard at allThey are. Try reading the Ultimate Guide and telling me different.
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>>94412273Catachans are only around 8ft tall.They are just space marines lite version.
>>94412262And right now? No evidence for your claim?
>>94412228>tyberos's head is big, so him being a head taller means the other marines reach his waist so you think tyberos has the proportions of a funkopop?
>>94412227Serious question: why do you still come here and obsess over a game that you clearly hate and disagree with?>MUH NEGATIVE CANONbro, this is embarrassing, you're like CWC ranting about Sonic's arms not being blue. Stop getting attached to corporate IPs and read some actual books or something, there's no worry about PRIMARIS MARTIANS showing up in A Princess of Mars
>>94412276>muh ultimate guideThis isn't some faggoty sonic game.Primaris are not the standard at all, the indomitus crusade is less than 20 years old and the dark side of the rift is still mainly and only inhabited by firstborn marines.
>>94412233>>doesn't count>I acceptwe are in agreement then
>>94412124i definitely have a bunch of spare bits once my pre-ordered battleforce comes in. leaning towards 1 still, but you're not wrong.>>94412122kys
>>94412253That's Terminator armor vs non-terminator though.custard armor is equivalent to terminator but body conforming because they're so big
>>94412283In the original image Tyberos' head is clearly bigger than the mantis warriors' head.I think you should calm down, we can continue this conversation after you've calmed down.
>>94412271>They are, humans, even space marines, grow proportionally.are you proportioned like a baby in real life or just on the internet?
>>94412277Yeah so you're the kind of retard that takes winrates from <10 players seriously
>>94412280Then why can he hip fire the heavy bolter, but heavy intercessors can't? Checkmate.
>>94412287>but muh marketing teamMarketing team is full secondary fags who know nothing about the lore.Trusting them in anything is peak retard and shows that you have room temperature IQ.
>In all likelihood, they would run out of ammunition before the Imperials would run out of lives.Are all IG tactics just drowning the enemy in bodies? How does that work against orks and nids?
>>94412302Stop samefagging Ben, you pedophile.
>>94412291I like 1 better on account of the pose, for what that's worth.
>>94412302Adult human heads are still larger than baby heads.I know you're desperate for any "gotcha" over this height autism because you're a 6' manlet, but please do learn to read.
>>94412286>Primaris are not the standard at allBreh...
>>94412313>How does that work against orks and nids?artillery, just as God and Napoleon intended
>>94412313Well the Orks would start chopping instead of shooting.All Orks know that shooting is just so that you can have some fun before you start chopping, anyway.
>>94412308Because he is a named character, aka a mary sue.>>94412302Edgecoc, this is getting embarrassing.
>>94412284>Serious question: why do you still come here and obsess over a game that you clearly hate and disagree with?But I love the game, it's specifically why I don't want it to bend the knee to the demands of people like you who want to change it because they don't like it as it is.So you should answer the question: why do you defend the retcon?
>>94412319>oh no some random words in an imageDoesn't matter at all.Lore goes over everything and the indomitus crusade is still less 20 years old and the dark side of the Rift is inhabited by firstborn marines.
>>94412307There were 43 space marine players last weekend
>>94412319NOOOOOOOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT IT'S NEGATIVE CANONIT WAS REAL IN MY MINDMY SPECIFIC HEADCANON IDEA OF WHAT WARHAMMER IS LIKE IS MORE ACCURATE THAN GAMES WORKSHOP'S!THEY'RE WRONG! THE WHOLE WORLD IS WRONG!IF IT'S FROM 7TH ONWARD IT'S NULORE IGNORE, IF IT'S FROM 6TH AND EARLIER IT'S IRRELEVANT AND NONCANON I AM JOHN WARHAMMER AND HIS 40,000 HAMMERS!!!!!!
>>94412335and those 43 were divided across all the detachments, yes? You dropped on your head as a baby?
>>94412330NTA, but because I don't think the retcon changes anything meaningful and female super humans is a niche that didn't exist yet, save for Sisters (both of them), who are barely augmented. It doesn't take anything away, only adds to it.
>>94412313IG use primarily early-mid 20th century tactics, with the most successful regiments usually floating around the Vietnam area. They generally lack the infrastructure, equipment and training to perform what we'd consider advanced strategies in the modern day and are significantly beneath other more tactical factions in the setting but aren't completely retarded about it.They also combine this with superior numbers to attempt to overwhelm superior enemies, usually at a major cost to life, which is where the drowning in bodies idea comes from - you don't have to be tactically inept to use a massive numbers advantage, though they are quite bad at keeping casualties low.Against Orkz and 'Nids they enjoy the rarity of having superior strategy and try to outmanoeuvre them as often as possible, with more focus on defensive warfare where they can use the environment and infrastructure to their advantage.
>>94412330>why do you defend the retcon?Because I don't mind the retcon, just like I don't mind Vashtorr."Oh nooo, GW added women to my imaginary soldier faction oh nooo".If something like plastic toysoldiers having women in them makes you feel emasculated or you feel that is a jab at your masculinity, you need to recheck priorities.
>>94412301You mean the fanart where the mantis warrior's head close to tyberos isn't in view? or do you want to compare it to a head that's farther away? you don't need to misunderstand perspective just because you don't understand proportions either.the model and official art doesn't make his head particularly bigger, btw.
>>94412343Do you or do you not believe Ironstorm is the only strong space marine detachment?
I've just found out that the Wave Serpent and Falcon are in fact two seperate kits? I could barely tell them apart and aways figured they come in one box.I'm a cheapskate and want to magnitize the model so I can have either one, which one would be easier to kitbash, adding the neccessary bits to fit the part? I figure the wave serpent since its got that big back bit.
>>94412333>dark side of the Rift is inhabited by firstborn marines.They all died out and got replaced by Primaris. You didn't read the Devastation of Baal?
>>94412330>why do you defend the retcon?The actual retcon was making custards into 40k Stormcast which you stupid faggots love. I don't care about Big E's gilded homunculi having tits or not because I think they're all equally garbage and the people whining about how their "favorite" faction was "ruined" can suck start a 12-gauge. You'll play your girl boss army and like it, faggot.
>this kills the autistIt's hilarious how badly you can upset people by just adding +1 to a couple of random numbers.
>>94412287Since you provide nothing to prove your point, I'll give you another one.>They tower over mortal men; each has the statuesque physique of an ancient hero, close to nine feet in height even without his scarlet-crested helm>Codex: Adeptus Custodes (7th Edition)
>>94412302You should save fewer pictures of naked little boys on your devices.
>>94412318how bigger do you think a marine head is going to be compared to an adult human's head exactly?
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>>94412340Uh oh, manlet meltie.
>>94412358These lines seem to be at completely arbitrary points on the models
>>94412362NOOOOOOO BLACK LIBRARY DOESN'T COUNT AND CODEXES ALSO DON'T COUNT
>>94412362Does this mean Custodes minis are actually under scaled in 40k?
>>94412351Not the anon you were speaking to, just hate you fuckwits hanging on the word of the retard that runs meta monday>omg there was a rapid change in the winrate of this specific detachment this week! what could it mean??It means the 3 guys playing it don't lead to consistent results week to week. Christ.
>>94412313It depends on the world that sent them and the resources available at the time. That’s just a meme for IG.
>>94412310>>but muh marketing team
>>94412376They were created by FW in the first-born era. Sure their minis are taller than manlets but not any taller than primaris.
>>94412333>Lore goes over everything and the indomitus crusade is still less 20 years oldGuilliman made it a priority to get the Primaris out there. Something like 98% of all existing chapters have embraced the Primaris, and there are many new pure Primaris chapters.
>>94412344>>94412346>>94412357>I don't hate the setting, I just don't care about it and I am spiteful towards youtypical
>>94412376>Does this mean Custodes minis are actually under scaled in 40k?that's always been the case. the janny and SoS models are from 2016 with the Burning of Prospero box, which with GW's production pipeline means they were likely sculpted in 2015 or earlier, that's why they have such squat proportions, because they're made with the old scale in mind. I'm pretty sure the new Leviathan terminators utterly mog them in size when even "regular" custards are TEQ
>>94412384To be fair the enemies that tend to mop Guard like Marines, Tau and Eldar have plenty of excuses to make modern tactics look primitive so it's technically correct that Guard can still be using relatively modern strategies by our standards and still be deeply primitive Human wave tier in terms of the setting.It's just really difficult for authors to portray superhuman or super-tech assisted tactics without either making it extremely vague, feel like asspulls or actually be basic for us.
>>94412344>save for Sisterswho are now sidelined even further the sister of silence was literally sidelined in her own episode
>>944124007th edition Custodes are not "the setting"you don't actually like 40k, you like Stormcast with Bolters, and I dislike that about you. The Schadenfreude at your meltdown over a retcon to something that was already a retarded retcon is decent consolation.
>>94412367Apologies, I meant any Proppa Ork.
>>94412344>It doesn't take anything awayFeminism is always a negative.
>>94412314>>94412327>>94412364That's some seriously concerning projection there.Let me guess, slaanesh fan?
Are sons of Antaeus chimeric? I mean, they're supposedly more or less as durable as modern day DG, which should be pretty hard even for normal DG loyalists, but chimeric SMs seem to usually be better than their parent chapters.
>>94412416>this part of the setting is not THE setting>but if you don't like my politics driven retcon that damages other parts of the setting YOU don't like the whole setting
>>94412418You think Alexander the Great having a harem of chiseled herculean and amazonian bodyguard-cum-courtesans who he sculpts into the most mentally and physically ideal human beings possible is feminism?
>>94412439You can't have a meltdown over the retcon to janny Stormcast having women when the only reason you liked them to begin with was an even bigger and more lore-raping retcon.The retcon giveth, the retcon taketh away
>>94412436No, chimeric geneseed doesn't actually exist nor do loyalist chapters made with traitor geneseed.Any suggestion of the opposite is headcanon.
>>94412442Yes.Alexander's real companions were men for a reason.
>>94411544>shitmaris OPThe faggotry is off the charts
>>94412400I'm >>94412346It is not spite, I'm just mocking you.
>>94412452Nigger the guy who made the Minotaurs confirmed they are loyalist iron warriors
>>94412464But enough about you.
>>94412452Minotaurs are loyalist Iron Warriors.
>>94412458Yeah, cuz he was Greek....
>>94412319This is going to age like milk when in a few years GW updates intercessors with heavy/special weapons and finally retires tactical manlets
>>94412446>have a meltdownprojection>when the only reason you liked them to begin withstrawman>The retcon giveth, the retcon taketh awaymissing the point: retcons happen, what distinguishes a good retcon from a bad retcon is the reason why it happens and whether it adds to the setting or not.retconning custodes to have women was unnecessary, something done exclusively due to some writer's personal politics, and actively breaks the thematic duality between the all-male custodes and the all-female sisters of silence.even in the one instance of their appearance together the sister of silence was made less of a character in what should have been her spotlight and area of expertise (episode about the tithe of psykers and the interaction with the black ships) in order to give more screentime to the introduction of the female custodes.
>>94412480>Minotaurs are loyalist Iron WarriorsThey inherited perty's desperate need for head pats and daddy's approval, but actually get it as the High Lords' hunting dogs and are living their best life getting to do all the war crimes they want while still being told what food little special boys they are.Perty's biggest problem was being a shitty Tsundere.
>>94412352Magnetising it will be a cunt.The differences are the turrent (small on wave serpent, big and manned on falcon), longer rear end on wave serpent and the 8 vanes on the wave serpent's front.It's because the wave serpent and fire prism are both the falcon kit with an extra sprue.
>>94412475>OP is a fag> n-nuh uh!Literally lmao
>>94411544Original marines were men with a boost. Like primaris are to firstborn now, instead of immortal bulletproof 30k exaggerations.
>>94412474>>94412480And he also said that was his perspective, not what they guys who actually own the IP posit as being official. Same with the Shadow Wolves being loyal Luna Wolves an author created for his wife.
>>94412474the guy who made the Minotaurs confirmed he has a headcanonfeel free to post anything that's actually canonical
>>94412416current Custodes go back to late 3th edition and 2004's Visions of Heresy. But you don't know it because you're just a hipster faggot
>>94412482>GreekMacedonian :^)
>>94411943Is the guy on the right a marine?
>>94412488I just know they going to give them a stupid name. Like intercessor tatical. And then intercessor devastator when it comes to devastator manlets.
>>94412495>what distinguishes a good retcon from a bad retcon is the reason why it happens and whether it adds to the setting or not.Okay, so we agree that retconning custards into BIGGERERER marines leaving the Palace to shill 30k models and sell Prospero Burns to mainline 40k players was bad, but that making them homunculi with an even mix of men and women was a good retcon since it differentiates them further from space marines and confirms Big E's not completely gay
>>94412416>7thand 8th and 9th, and 6th, and 5th and 4th and 3rd
American hours always suck
>>94412510Fun fact, they're called "Intercessors" because they're in the middle between the heavy Gravis and lighter vanguard variants.
>>94412140I have read few mentions how oldmarine height isn't that different from normal humans. Basically making dwarfmarines something like 180-90cm
>>94412515>since it differentiates them further from space marines and confirms Big E's not completely gaythey were already different and the emperor had the sisters of silence already you cannot bring up a single reason why the retcon is a positive one
>>94412495>what distinguishes a good retcon from a bad retcon is the reason why it happens and whether it adds to the setting or notBut it LITERALLY DID add something. It added female post-humans, at the expense of nothing else. There is no negatuve aspect attavhed to their creations, it didn't change how anything was before and it does not invalidade the version of Custodes you prefer. It's the most nothingburger retcon in the history of GeeDubs.
>>94412534>emperor had the sisters of silence alreadywho are a Dune reference to Fishspeakers/Siona Atreides and busy manning the Black Ships, not being Iskandar's warrior-poet-philosopher-jerkoff buddies
>>94412534>you cannot bring up a single reason why the retcon is a positive oneIt introduced female post-humans, which didn't really exist before.
>>94412542>There is no negatuve aspect attavhed to their creations,The negative to him is girls have cooties and now he can't masturbate to banana faggots without worrying one of them might have a vagina Sisters wear boob-plate so homos know not to get horny even with the helmet on.
>>94412452Honsou is literally an iron warrior with chimeric geneseed.
>>94412550>It introduced female post-humans, which didn't really exist before.Assassins.
>>94412545the sisters of silence acted as the other armed force of the emperor, you cannot just pretend they don't count.
>>94412558Fine, then. Of the Big Dude™ variety.
>>94412482The whole "ancient greece was a gay utopia" thing was a myth that was made by a guy who basically going:>"Hmm... Hercules holding his mace near his dick in this vase's artwork clearly implies he has an a hard-on for his enemy."For an entire book.
>>94412521Then why does it get better when london gets rangebanned?
>>94412542>at the expense of nothing elseat the expense of sisters of silence
>>94412564Being big is antithetical to being a woman.
>>94412426Says the guy posting pictures of naked boys. Seek help.
Isn't "chimeric geneseed" just referring to a warband/chapter having different geneseed but it's not literally a hybrid?
>>94412550how is that a positive addition? the female custodes isn't going to look different or act different or interact differently compared to a male custodes?why is a female character inherently positive?
>>94412302Having this picture really isn’t something you should be showing off to people.
>entire thread so far is just lore garbageI sleep
>>94412569Oh, they no longer exist? Someone should inform the dudes that made that Tithes episode.
>>94412052Red corsair deathwatch sounds cool do it anyway
>>94412575>>94412586>the first thing I think about when looking at a schematic of human proportions is pedophilia>I don't have a problem, you have a problem
>>94412592>complain about thread content>do nothing to change it
>>94412573I'm sorry anon, but you either have The Gay or is horribly insecure near women. Do amazons make you feel inadequate? Do they make you mutter unnder your breath about how they aren't feminine?>>94412580It gives more creative freedom to players and may lead to new models (official or otherwise) down the line. They're not something I'm interested in, but they don't hurt my enjoyment of the game in any way and can make someone happy, so they're fine.
>>94412542femstodes go against 20 years of Custodes lore and how they're a byzantine Sacred Band of Thebes/Alexander Companions to the Emperor.It destroys the themes of their relationship with the Sisters of Silence and the fact that posthumans are 100% a bad thing in this setting beyond all the in and out of universe propaganda. How SoS and SoB are fully human beings compared to the stunted child soldiers of the Custodes/Astartes.It's a fuck up driven by ADB's ego and the same misguided bullshit that produced The Last Jedi.
>>94412502>uhm the original creator's, who created the very subject 5he conversation is over, doesn't matter because... well it just doesn't!Ok, fag.
>>94412052I literally had no idea they weren't arnm rebranded Astral Claws. If you think you can make them look nice whichever way I say go for it.
>>94411544Drukhari newbie here about the Combat Patrol Archon. So after seeing how tragic the bit situation is, I've got a couple options. Give the Archon the Kabalite blast pistol and give him something else. I could buy the Scourge box for the blast pistol bit, from amazon this is like 34. I mean I like them and would use them later, but yeah. The other thing is giving the Archon a right hand option from one of the Kabalites hanging on the Raider. It's a small blade, so he would have no visible pistols, and then I could say he had any pistol right? For the Archon head, I could use an incubi head instead, which *kinda* looks like the Archon with Soul Trap head, but I dunno if that'll look good.
>>94412612>I'm sorry anon, but you either have The Gay or is horribly insecure near women.I think you're projecting. You've clearly never been able to actually look at many, because if you had you'd note they're pretty small.
>>94412149>Burden by Gábor Izsóf>the spell was broken when a half-naked Catachan slapped two anti-tank mines onto the traitor marine's spiked backplate. Both warriors disappeared in a blinding flash as the shaped melta charges detonated. For a split second the rotten soul lingered on, clinging to reality, until something far viler uncoiled from the warp and snatched its rightful prey.Penal legionnaires are the answer to marines. 70 penal conscripts to 3 chaos marines and a squad of traitor guard.
>>94412593>Oh, they no longer exist?So it would seem, considering all the clamouring related to the absolute NEED of a female superhuman warrior in the emperor's own armed forces from alleged fans of the setting.>inb4 they're not superhuman because their superpower isn't being 8' tall>inb4 they're not superhuman because they don't wear marine-like power armour, but if you disagree with me then you're a chud who only likes custodes because they've been made into biggerer marines>inb4 it was important to make it clear that the emperor's bodyguards aren't marines which is why sisters of silence aren't enough and we need to make the marine-like custodes into women now
>>94412569>at the expense of sisters of silenceThey've had a single 5 man kit from Prospero Burns for the last decade, not to mention that banana faggot players openly revolt every time they're asked to run them in list building.If you actually cared about SoS you would be advocating for the 30k approach where they're their own army separate from custards, not wanting them to continue rotting in obscurity as a single box in the Custodes Codex. This is like saying adding new Rubrics is "at the expense" of Tzaangors.
>>94412621That's the way shit happens when you write for a large IP. He can believe anything he wants and I personally think his view is cool, but it's James calling the shots on what's official.You don't have to care about what's official, and that's fine
>>94412612>It gives more creative freedom to players and may lead to new models (official or otherwise) down the line.How? the armours aren't going to be different, nor are the helmets or the personal characterisation or any of the possible interactions they could have with other characters.and you always had the freedom of swapping a custodian head with a female head
>>94412580>the female custodes isn't going to look different or act different or interact differently compared to a male custodes?do you think men and women are exactly the same and identical in every way?this is like saying female Inquisitors are pointless since they'll just be carbon copies of men. Amberly Vail would not be improved with a penis you fucking homo
>>94412631>Drukhari newbie hereLmao retard. Go get a refund then pick a real faction.
>>94412622>I literally had no idea they weren't arnm rebranded Astral ClawsWhat does that even mean
>>94412656I read Path of the Dark Eldar and I enjoy them.
>>94412634I've met hot women that were small, hot women my size and hot women bigger than me. Their size is not any indicative of their attractiveness and femininity, or rather it's not what determines it.
>>94412645>Option 1A full "Talons of the Emperor" codex with both getting equal attention and respect as they were originally envisioned in Visions of Heresy. Lots of units like in 30k>Option 2"lol, fuck the muties! I want big muscle mommies that make chuds seethe and marines to obey their every whim!"GW chose #2 and that's why they get hate for it.
>>94412652>the armours aren't going to be different, nor are the helmets or the personal characterisation or any of the possible interactions they could have with other charactersSource? They aren't different right now, but that can always change. Custodes minis are now outdated, scale-wise and there's nothing keeping james from through in a few female-looking torsos in their nect update, like they do with Eldar.
>>94412639Sisters of Silence are literally not superhuman, they're baseline Blanks in form-fitting vratine power armor. They aren't remade at a molecular level like custodes, and they don't have gene-seed which wouldn't even work on a Blank to begin with. Do you think Olympic athletes are superhuman just because they work out a lot? They're as "superhuman" as an Inquisitor or Rogue Trader with access to the fanciest tech and toys in the imperium is, they're still regular humans
>>94412659Those books are almost 10 years old and have been overwritten by the Ynnari plotline.
Post /thatguy/ stories>pickup game last weekend>haven't played guard in a while, should be interesting>dude plays super sweaty, almost rage quits after I blow up two of his tanks>I lose the game by a few points>later realize he was playing all his units wrong>he said his bullgryns had a 2+ save (can't be better than 3+ with an order)>he said his basilisk slows down anything it hits (only works on infantry)>he said his manticore rerolls wounds (only rerolls hits against units with 5+ models)>overwatched with indirect (target has to be visible)>using strats in incorrect sequenceNever playing him again if I can help it
>>94412658I though Red Corsairs were just the Astral Claws chapter, but red. Didn't know they had marines from different backgrounds.
For how long is this seething about femstodes going to go on?
>>94412673Still cool. I also like Malus Darkblade and those are almost 2 decades old.
>>94412670>nothing keeping james from throwing*Autocorrect
Anyone try the pro acryl fluorescent paints? Are they good?
Hey guys, looking for the Cauldron of War rules from White Dwarf 506. Already checked the mega and gofile with no luck, anyone happen to have it? Thanks!
>>94412677When will they be removed and a formal apology issued?
>>94412613>femstodes go against 20 years of Custodes lore and how they're a byzantine Sacred Band of Thebes/Alexander Companions to the Emperor.Old lore doesn't matter and be never has for GW.And again this is nothing new for GW they change shit at a whim because they want to.>It destroys the themes of their relationship with the Sisters of SilenceRelationship that doesn't exist because custodes genuinely don't give a shit about normie humans, let alone the fact that they barely work together anyway.Custodes fight alongside custodes, sos fight alongside each other and always have.>and the fact that posthumans are 100% a bad thingThis has never been a thing and it is yet again you pulling headcanon shit out of your ass.
>>94412677As long as you keep asking this question + 1000 years and a day.
>>94412676It's the entire shtick of red corsairs
>>94412604You are the one who has the picture. You don’t need that picture to explain your point.
Been reading this book and im really sad what happened to the Humie Prisoner, he was my favorite character. pretty much all my favorite characters got shafted, still a very fun audibleAny books you bois been readin'? What did you think of Warboss
>>94412695I don't read this embarrassing garbage
>>94412648Doesn't matter.What original creator says goes over and supersedes eveything else.
>>94412675Inform the next person he plays a game with that he's a dirty cheating, faggot piece of shit.
>>94412613>It destroys the themes of their relationship with the Sisters of SilenceThat being? Custodes do security and intelligence shit, SoS handle warp shit and psykers. That hasn't changed.
>>94412695Will Mike Brooks be killed by the right wing death squads?
>>94412663>A full "Talons of the Emperor" codex with both getting equal attention and respectThis was never on the table. Custard players do not give a shit about SoS. I am one of the few fucking retards who actually liked the pure Anathema Psykana Detachments and Warlord Traits and Relics in 9th, and since I'm a Dune fanboy I'd love for them to get their own codex, but that's the absolute minority opinion. 30k has them as separate armies and I vastly prefer that implementation since it means janny players stop seething about a Prosecutor tax for the backfield objective. Prosecutors, Witchseekers, Vigilators, and the Centura are literally all made from the exact same 5-man sprue just with different arms. The idea that they would get """"equal attention"""" in 40k is nonsensical. Banana faggots DO NOT care about SoS
>>94412645>They've had a single 5 man kit from Prospero Burns for the last decadeThey should have way more, I agree, but instead now GW will have to update the perfectly serviceable custodian kits to downgrade them and remove some bits to make room for female heads which nobody will use because everyone wants the helmets anyway.>not to mention that banana faggot players openly revolt every time they're asked to run them in list buildingThey're faggots for that and multiple other reasons, we agree on that too, but if the sisters were more viable rulewise the faggots wouldn't bat an eye to play them, just how they say nothing when it comes with any eyesore of a model or loadout faggots like them will field, it's not about looks or lore.>where they're their own army separate from custardsthey have to share a codex because by canon they're linked and because the game shouldn't have a dozen different codex for every imperial subfactionso either they share a codex as talons of the emperor or they share a codex as imperial agents, in both cases they should share a codex and have rules to be played both autonomously and with synergy>This is like saying adding new Rubrics is "at the expense" of Tzaangors.it technically is and it shows especially well when you just flip it transitively: a new unit of tzaangors would absolutely be at the expense of a potential new unit of rubrics and TSfags already hate tzaangors for this reason even if they "hogged" the 40k release schedule with just one sprue
>>94412675And then he clapped
>>94412677Female custodes are great.
>>94412691I was not aware. Thought their shtick was going Chaos after losing the Badab War.
>>94412675You don’t leave 4chan often enough to play.
>>94412695>I want a comic book-tier story but in a format that wastes more time to readWhy are people like this
>>94412707>Expecting right wing chuds to do anything even slightly physicalonly online
>>94412654>do you think men and women are exactly the same and identical in every way?in what way would a female custodes be different to a male custodes? they both have the same transhuman proportions, wear the same armour, have the same roles, received the same indoctrination and are equally castrated in anything concerning sexuality.in what way would they be actually different?
>>94412663Option 3: throw them both in the Agents codex, where they belong.
>>94412685>>94412688So you plan to bitch about it for the rest of your life.
>>94412670>Custodes minis are now outdated, scale-wiseNo, they aren't.
>>94412302I told your church via the enquiry page about this. God doesn’t love pedos.
>>94412698>>94412707>>94412720Why so mean? I just wanted to talk about a cool WH book I read, I thought it was neat. Have you read any cool WH books recently at least that you liked?
>>94412723Are you telling me Orangeler isn't going to throw faggots into camps?
>>94412717I deliberately catch 3-day bans every Friday so that I have time to play on the weekend
>>94412735You should read literally anything else
>>94412671supernatural powers make them superhumans, especially when they use those supernatural powers to fight in a superhuman fashion for what concerns, which they absolutely do.refer to >>94412639>>inb4 they're not superhuman because their superpower isn't being 8' tall
>>94412686>Old loreBullshit. This has been a change driven by ADB's becoming Head of Narrative at GW. That's why the codex barery had changes besides 2 tacked in stories and a change of pronouns, but there's no new minis.It's not even out of wanting to sell Custodes to women. It's about making a retarded culture war point.>Relationship that doesn't exist Shut the fuck up, lorelet. GW literally build their relationship over several 30k and 40k books and even got limited edition minis of the main characters.>This has never been a thingIt's one of the core themes of the HH and many 40k books, retard. Go back to masturbate to muscle mommie pics and fuck off.
>>94412727And beyond. I intend to live long enough to create a vengeful AI ghost that will post about this until the end of time.
>>94412710>they have to share a codex because by canon they're linkedNo they don't. If the four Traitor Legions can have a different codex than CSM, and GSC can have a different codex than Tyranids, and every single Imperium army isn't one Codex but instead you have Marines/Guard/Sisters/AdMech/etc, then nothing stops you from having a separate Sisters and Custodes faction, especially since there was literally a 10,000 year period where the jannies never once left the Palace while SoS are dispersed across the entire Imperium. Most of the Vigils in Imperium Nihilus likely haven't even gotten the memo that G-man is back.
>>94412670>Source?Warhammer+ tithe episode
>>94412724>in what way would a female custodes be different to a male custodes? tDo you think amberly vail should have a penis because male and female Inquisitors are identical?
>>94412735I'll liaten if you wanna talk.
>>94411554>>94411936post your models with timestamp
>>94412745Ben, you gotta let this go. You’ve been making this post for a literal decade.
>>94412744>supernatural powers make them superhumanstheir "supernatural power" is that supernatural powers stop working in their presence. They don't even wear an Animus Speculum to explode people's heads like a Culexus.
>>94412104magnus is 16 foot tall retard
>>94412631>Drukhari newbieWe can tell. >that wall of textNobody knows what Deldar weapons look like anyways. Do whatever you want.
>>94412686>older lore doesn't matter>newer lore doesn't matter>that lore doesn't actually exist because I say so>the only thing that matters is that my personal politics are reflected in this dystopian setting and that you bend the knee to it
>>94412705>That being?Technically soulless but human women vs. actually soulless meat robots without free will, for example.Read the fucking books, ffs>>94412709>Custard players do not give a shit about SoS.Because their rules are shit, they lack mini variety, and custodes players are usually waacfags. If they had good rules and more minis they'll be more popular.All what you said reinforces my argument.
>>94412104vulkan is the second tallest other than the emperor without psychic fuckerymagnus is the tallest
>>94412751>No they don't.Yes, they do.
>>94412778But Sanguinius was the most handsome and had wings.
>>94412725>Option 3: throw them both in the Agents codex, where they belong.That's another discussion, and I somewhat agree. Just like Deatchwatch, Custodes/SoS should not be deploying whole armies (unless the shit has hit the fan at Terra or something like it did in Watchers of the Throne)
>>94412677for me, it's when you can post an official model and not coomer artwork
>>94412783he was also shortthe shortest were alpharius/omegon followed by angron and sanguinius
>>94412695I fuckin loved this book. The narrator does so well with Ork voices, and I even liked the guard section where the tanks go out and fight the Kult of Speed.My favorite scene was the Speedboss talking to one of his ladz about which mek they should use to get the humie door open. Just such a fun interaction and the voices the narrator did really sold the scene.I'm now listening to Da Big Dakka. It's been really fun so far, and I've even enjoyed the dark Eldar bits despite not liking elves.
>>94412769That's post-Demon Princification. Pre Heresy the artwork points to around 10'0.
>>94412800you're a retard, pre-daemon he stands almost eye level with the emperor's projected height which is 16+ feet tall
>>94412757>because male and female Inquisitors are identical?they aren't, unlike custodes who wear the same bulky armour, have the same identical role, have the same indoctrination since early childhood and have the same lack of anything remotely close to a sexualityif all inquisitors wore the same armour, were asexual and had the same identical role and personality then it would be an apt question
>>94412783Also the best hair.
How hard is it to find people to play kill team with? Is it a popular game? More or less popular than Necromunda?
>>94412745>That's why the codex barery had changes besides 2 tacked in stories and a change of pronouns, but there's no new minis.nigger there's no new minis because custard paypigs have been buying the same 2016 box set repackaged in different ways for almost a decade. The custard range is so old they're scaled to firstborn size, and half their shit is Forge World vehicles."They didn't add new minis so the new codex doesn't count" is retarded, with that logic every single DE codex since 5th edition doesn't count. And we all know they're gonna release a fucking single overpriced character model at some point that'll have a female head, when that happens will the goalposts move to "Well, EVERY guard sprue doesn't have copy+pasted female Stormcast heads, so it's still not canon!"Imperial Guard having both integrated and monosex regiments has been established forever, yet a lot of the old kits don't have any woman heads or torsos. That doesn't mean female Catachans who are LITERALLY just Vasquez from Aliens don't exist, of course they do. Cain's been leading men and women Valhallans since 2003, there's no plastic kit for them since GW would rather sell 1000000000 Cadians instead
>>94411555Does literally nobody here know who Honsou is? he's a scrapyard astartes made by fabius and only a warsmith. No shit a superb human melee specialist dunked him.
>>94412771>the only thing that matters is that my personal politics are reflected in this dystopian setting and that you bend the knee to itAnd this is the truth behind all the lies, fake good intentions, and gaslighting. Femstodes only exist to have "women" that can force men to shut up and obey them. It comes from the same mid-2010s bullshit that gave us the retarded female admiral in The Last Jedi, or the cringe girl power scene from Avengers Endgame.I've usually defended ADB against all the bs said about him and his books, but "chuds" are unironically right in this case.
>>94412768No, in lore it goes way beyond that.Pit a sister of silence against an equally trained normal human in the same gear and the sister of silence will tear that gal to shreds because they actually weaponise their null powers, it's not exclusively against psykers even if that's the extent the granularity of tabletop unfortunately allows
>>94412808Does this dude look almost 5 meters tall to you?I swear everything related to the Heresy gets cursed with an inflation fetish.
>5th edition5 Marines fire 5 Bolters at a squad of MEQ, no cover, short range10 shots6.66 hits3.33 wounds2.22 saved(3+)Average of 1.11 MEQ killed>5th Edition5 Marines fire 5 Bolters at a squad of MEQ, no cover, long range5 shots3.3 hits1.66 wounds1.11 saved (3+)Average of 0.55 MEQ killed>10th edition5 Intercessors fire 5 bolt rifles at a squad of MEQ, no cover10 shots6.66 hits3.33 wounds1.66 saved (3+ with AP-1)1.66 Damage on a 2w Marine>10th edition5 stationary Intercessors fire 5 Bolt Rifles at a squad of MEQ, no cover.10 shots8.33 hits4.16 wounds2.08 saved (3+ with AP-1)2.08 damage on a 2W marine>Both profiles struggle to kill a single marine when using the 'weaker' profile but manage to kill a single marine when using the 'bonus' profile for fulfiling a condition on the weaponwhy do people pretend that there's been a massive shift in the efficacy of bolters vs MEQthey've always been kind of shitty
>>94412834Forgot picture.
>>94412846the emperor is 6foot tall lorelethe projects an image of himself at any size he pleases
>>94412808>the emperor's projected height which is 16+ feet tallno, it isn't
>>94412858retard >>94412851
Hey guys, I'm writing a ruleset for 40k.I have no idea how to cost units appropriately. Any advice?
>effective glow effect is all about contrast>So you want to paint the color surrounding the glow as dark as possible, and the glow as "bright" as possible>But if you want to make it a realistic osl you need to have the light "scatter" onto the surrounding areas of the glow - aka drybrush or highlight slightly darker colors of the glow onto the surrounding surfaces>This in turn makes the surrounding surfaces less dark (because the colors of the light wont be as dark as the default colors of the surface areas) >This in turn lowers the contrast and mutes the glow effectHow do I rectify this painting connundrum? Do I want there to be a sort of transitionary gradient between the glow and the surrounding area, or do I want the glow and the surface to be in harsh contrast of colors?
>>94412861You say the projected image is 16+This is the projected image and it is not 16+You're the retard for picking a picture where the emperor has to be depicted from so far in order to make the pyramid fit
>>94412858>>94412846I like the girl with pigtails powerstancing. Very cute.
I have exactly 135 points spare - what do you think the best usecase is?>Hellblaster squad + a utility enhancement>Another predator>Gundread
>>94412837Probably nostalgia. I made the same point yesterday. Boltguns were always kind of weak against other marines.
>>94412846That janny is also only about as tall relative to the SoS as a regular man is to a woman, he's only a few heads taller than her in armor despite SoS having baseline human woman height. That artwork is from 2004 before all the retarded Ork-ificiation of the Imperium and 30k where DA BIGGER WUN WINZ
>>94412877Depends on a couple things. What detachment, the rest of your list, etcI like the ballistus dread, especially over 5 hellblasters
>>94412862Like a fan-edition? Those are always bad.If younwant to homebrew for your group try to match price adjustments with win-rates within your own group of people interest in playing it.
>>94412827You're just reinforcing my argument. As you said, IG had female soldiers since the start despite rarely geting minis. But big faction retcons feature new miniatures (nuCrons or Deldar in 5th). So why not femstodes? Because it's not a change driven by business or marketing. It's 100% bs forced in despite making no sense because somebody, somewhere (probalby ADB) wanted to earn DEI points and brag about making chuds seethe. And without giving a fuck about other authors like Chris Wraigh, who just got a huge part of his Custodes series invalidated
>>94412874he can pick his height at willyou fucking braindead mongoloid
>>94412790Short kings are in.
>>94412883I don't think the average man is a few heads taller than the average women, but I've had enough height discussions for the rest of the year.
>>94412877Are these models you already own?I'd nominate a Storm Speeder in there. It's able to speed its way onto objectives or just physically block movement of other units.
>>94412862assign an arbitrary cost in point to a unit you arbitrarily consider a benchmarkthen compare a second unit to this benchmark: how many models would it need for the matchup to be equal? then distribute the points as neededdon't forget to take into account range and speedit gets trickier when it comes with 'extremist' units such as ones that have rules that act as force multipliers for another ot multiple units or that involves a hard-counter (for a example a melee unit will be infinitely outperformed by a ranged unit that's also faster)for that you cannot stop at mere number crunching and need to do trial and error to assess what would be the meta in the scenarios winconditions, scenery placement, army building and moreit's not easy and it's not fast
>>94412883>retarded Ork-ificiation of the Imperium and 30k where DA BIGGER WUN WINZThat anon was right. Marines really do wish they were Orks, it all makes sense now.
>>94412905then you agree the projected image is not 16+
>>94412883>setting where majority of combat is in melee>wtf bigger taller people do better in melee combat???
>>94412922in your image yesin any other depiction he's much taller, malcador, a normal 6' human, can be seen next to him on the throne and he's less than half his height while sitting
>>94412908the average woman is 5'3. There's a bigger height difference between my fucking parents than there is that image, she comes up to his chest, that dude isn't fucking nine feet tall in any universe, he's like 6'4
>>94412892Sorta. We're taking 9ths core rules and adding a few things like USRs, leading units, and AVs. Worth noting that AVs are the same value all around, and we're integrating the way you'd wound vehicles in 30k with a less punishing damage table.The biggest overhaul are the codexes. Using 10ths detachment system, and we're writing datasheets. Most resemble 8th or 10th with minor changes. For example, the intercessor squad has wargear options, so you can run tac marines using this datasheet.>>94412916That's what I figured, I was thinking of using the basic intercessor squad as a benchmark and going from there. I've got a couple friends interested in playtesting, and I'm working with other people on these rules. I'm hoping I can start playtesting by the end of the year
>>94412946
>>94412785Considering that the only femstodes so far are 2 minor characters of a faction that is not space marines and that much more important characters that are space marines and have existed for much longer still have no models, you're going to be seething at the pics musclegirl cosplaying as giant bananas for a very long time...
>>94412759I really liked it! I think it perfectly captures the Orks and Human resistance along with another race. Only part I didn’t like was the death of a character a I really liked even if it makes sense and matches the grimdark atmosphere, he didn’t deserve that. Fuck commissar’s, I fucking hate commissar’s
Taking the time to cut and reglue the "wings" on power packs on my chaos renegades because it doesn't make sense for non-traitor legion marines to have Anvilus-pattern backpacks
>>94412953>unbreakable iron willliterally nobody says thismarines are genuinely weaker-willed than regular human men and women are. A full 50% of them drank the kool-aid and joined chaos, nobody else is that fucking retarded and failure prone. A McDonald's ice cream machine is more reliable than space marines are. I wouldn't trust a goddamn garbage bag with a 50% failure rate, let alone galactic superhuman soldiers.
>>94412534He never will be able to because he’s a faggot.
>>94412944girlyman uses the emperor's swordthat sword is bigger than a SoBthe emperor dwarfed that swordthe emperor isn't 10 feet tall no matter how much you cope
>>94412890>>94412909Sorry, yes. My Detachment is Ironstorm, vanilla2 Techmarines (Adept, Augry Web)Jump Chaplain5 Intercessors10 Assault Intercessors with jump packs2 squads of 3 inceptors2 squads of 5 scouts1 squad of 5 infiltratorsGlad ReaperPred AnnihilatorVindicatorRedemptor x2I've got 135 to play around with, and the cheap Ballistus seems tempting
>>94412663GW did the right choice because people don't give a shit about muties.Only muties I give a shit about it ogryns and other abhumans in the guard.
Don't know much about 40k lore. Is the anti-xeno sentiment something the emperor himself established pre-heresy or is it something that came post-fall? Was there a bad interaction that was a catalyst for it are is the Imperium just a fire first study later type of faction?
>>94412971Yes, "female representation" is great and all, but those disgusting homo gays do not deserve it, right?
>>94412957Nah, remember Minka Lesk or Severina Raine? GW are good at shitting out garbage feminist character models for wokepoints.
>>94412488>when in a few years GW updates intercessors with heavy/special weaponsWill literally never happen copelet.Within the next 5 years, wargear options will have been fully phased out for all non-character Space Marine units.Within 10 years this will be true for every faction in the game.
>>94412991emperor established it because when he expanded into the rest of the sol system after retaking terra he saw xenos raiders attacking every human planet and station thereemperor famously had the crusade against the orks as well as shitting on a successful human-xenos co-op mini empire
>>94412745>Shut the fuck up, lorelet. GW literally build their relationship over several 30k and 40k booksThey didn't and it only exists in one BL book, and BL doesn't matter.>It's one of the core themes of the HH and many 40k booksIt is not. HH core theme is that Emperor was retarded but his sons and humanity were even more retarded.
>>94412997>Within 10 years this will be true for every faction in the game.good
>>94412985okay, well by that logic Catachans are 8 feet tall since they're the same size as marines
>>94413014>20 year old heroic sculpts are the same as modern normalized sculptsI accept your concession
>>94412826Kill Team is currently way more popular than Necromunda.
>>94412944Average height difference is 5 inches, anon. The exact figures vary, but in the US female average is 5'4 and male is 5'9 and that same rough proportions is true in shorter and taller places. Two full heads is a bit less than 2 feet of difference. For your 5'3 woman the average male would need to be atbeye level with fucking Shaq and Brian Shaw
>>94412772>Because their rules are shitThis is not an argument.People don't care about SoS because they are boring "how can we put SoB in HH" idea that no one asked for and what GW has incessantly tries to shove down everyone's throats.
>>94413025SoS predate the entire HH game system retard
>>94412831This pic (much like the story of that episode) lacks a lot of context. Long story short they really can't afford to pull a Black Templars on Shiva.
>>94412795Yeah it was really funny which isn’t surprising given it’s ork theme
>>94412991>Is the anti-xeno sentiment something the emperor himself established pre-heresyyes, it was a core mandate of the imperium since before they conquered Terra. And it wasn't limited to xenos, near-human offshoots and other human societies that had chenged themselves too much were also seen as enemies to be destroyed (like the aquatic humans living in a sea moon mentioned in the HH). The genetic purity of the baseline human was made a big deal after so many mutations going on.Note that the Sol system itself before the Great Crusade had several xeno colonies that preyed on humans, so the Emperor had not to make a huge effort to sell the idea. The galaxy was also plagued by ork and deldar raids.
>>94412963>Only part I didn’t like was the death of a character a I really liked even if it makes sense and matches the grimdark atmosphere, he didn’t deserve that.What happened?
>>94413023That SoS comes up to the custard's chest even while both are fully armored. He's not nine feet tall (because that image is from 2004, pre jannies being Stormcast nonsense)
>>94412997Normie Intercessors are literally the only baseline troops without options. Even gravis intercessors get heavy bolters. Nevermind guardsmen or eldar guardians
>>94413007>BL doesn't matter.Delusional moron. BL is the reason modern Custodes/SoS exist, and femstodes are a literal creation of ADB
>>94413063the reason SoS exist is because of GW plagiarizing Dune.you're right about ADB though, and he's now HEAD OF NARRATIVE at GW so lol lmao kek enjoy
>>94413047That dude does still look augmented, but reasonably so. I believe the intended scale at that time was something like>marines are on average a head taller than normalfags>custodes are on average a head taller than marines>primarchs are on average a head taller than custodes>emps is a head taller than average primarchThat custodes seems within the reasonable expectation of on average being 2 heads taller than a baseline human, accounting for the individual variance between those specifics custards and sisters on the pic.
>>94412757Inquisitors are by their nature, and by the lore, always extremely individualistic in every way possible. Not to mention the fact that there has never been in anything in lore that only a single sex can be an inquisitor.
>>94412986Given the choices, I think I'd prefer the ballistus dread.
>>94412759Give 40k botes
>>94413042Obvious spoilers My favorite character in the book was this guard Captain survivor who was captured by the Orks. Sorta cowardly but he was depressed and heroic enough in this really enduring way, his goal to be to get back to his army to deliver his intel. Through thick and thin he managed to escape the Orks (even if it was blood axe generals plan for him to lead them to where they wanted to go, my other favorite) and get down to the sewers of the hive. After surviving another massive battle he managed to crawl his way to a Commissar happy and hopeful, and delivers his important intel which if listened to could have helped the humans. The Commissar ignored him completely and executed him for retarded corruption for some reason. It harkens back to something the captain said at first, that he should have killed himself for the capture, and it matches the imperiums whole mood so I can’t be too mad. Still it really fucking sucks I liked him a lot.
Out of all retcons I don't believe one changed as little and caused more butthurt than the femstodes one. Necrons being completely revised in almost every way imaginable didn't cause a fraction of this uproar.
>>94413068>the reason SoS exist is because of GW plagiarizing Dune.oh no, anyway>lol lmao kek enjoyand here's finally the truth behind the pretensions of justice and progress, just short sighted pettyness
>>94413115So TF2 MvM in space?
>>94413115That's just /40Kg/
>>94413084>Give 40k boteswe could have them but instead the dark mechanicus, unburdened from regulation, tradition, morality, and dogma spent ten thousand years doing nothing but shoving daemons up the tailpipe of rhinos and ended up being out-invented by the mainstream Mechanicus and Cawl anyways despite progress and innovation being four letter words to them. Ten thousand years and the mother fuckers can't even figure out fucking magnets to make a railgun. Embarrassing. The fucking Tau will have blueberry shipgirls before any humans figure that shit out
>>94413119hell ya
Happy monday, /40kg/
>>944131005th+ Necrons were an improvent. It gave them a lot of cool characters and the old version of necrons still exist in the crazy xenocidal dynasties. It was also a proper full mini range refresh and reimagining when there was very little written about the faction.Femstodes break 20 years of Custodes/SoS lore for nothing, not even to sell new minis, just to pander to terminally online culture warriors and earn DEI points in a performance review.
>>94413100It moved NOTHING narrative wise. "Remember that one story where a custode did a thing? Yeah that was a woman." They're all helmeted ubersoldiers it doesn't matter if it's a pussy haver or a penis packer.
>>94413115that's just darktide
>>94413106>pretensions of justice and progressADB is the kind of faggot unironically advocating for "justice and progress" and more representation in 40k. The kind of person who makes fun of him is not advocating for justice and progress, they're just happy that two awful idiots (custards fangays, and the guy who posts his abaddon fanfiction on fucking reddit) are stuck with each other.
>>94413088Kinda hacky, but Comissars make bad calls all the time. In the Gaunt's Ghosts series the titular character seems to execute or spare people based solely on his mood that particular day, or some unrelated event that doesn't really have anything to do with whether the target deserves it or not.It's frustrating, but I think it drives home that Comissars are at the end of the day regular dudes put in positions they may be completely unsuited for, and how politicking has a much greater weight than competence in the Imperial command structure.
>>94413141Then why does it upset you so much?
>>94413036I'm always a fan of the more fun and goofy parts of 40k. There's so much doom and gloom that seeing some lovable characters amongst the untold millions is a treat.Also, the whole part about hive wretches worshipping eldar as the emperor because they have no clue what the imperium's main guys actually look like was pretty funny. Reminded me of the worship of the Silver Skulls chapter from the infinite and divine.
>>94413138>Femstodes break 20 years of Custodes/SoS loreSoS are irrelevant to the process that created custodes, idk why you keep trying to shoehorn them into the conversation.It would be like if GW said "lol the lost primarchs returned and they're tomboys with female marine gene-seed" somebody said OH NO THIS RUINS DECADES OF IMPERIAL GUARD LORE!!!!
>>94413154it... doesn't? I just said it didn't matter.
>>94413100>Necrons being completely revised in almost every way imaginable didn't cause a fraction of this uproar.That wasn't done for wokepoints.
>>94412521Always was.
>>94413161what about the fact there's women necrons and trans necrons and gay necrons
>>94413161Yeah, it was done for Marvelpoints.
>>94413138NTA.>Muh 20-year-old banana lore....Is barely anything and has been constanly getting retconned anyway.
>>94413166That all came later, and was not part of the 2011 revision. >>94413167No, it predates the majority of the MCU.
>>94413100>Necrons being completely revised in almost every way imaginable didn't cause a fraction of this uproar.It's because to the kind of person who seethes about this shit, Xenos are an """"NPC faction""" for whom nothing matters anyways.They're now having to experience the shoe being on the other foot, and realizing that maybe the faction whose entire range is literally one 30k box from 2016 sold over and over again in slightly different combinations might actually be an NPC faction themselves.meanwhile Drazhar got stuck gender-bent because a female Wych put on his Phoenix Lord armor after Jain Zar kamehameha'd him with a bunch of souls and literally nobody cared. These days are whining about actual biological women being made into custards while calling them trannies while Drazhar's stuck with titties until somebody kills him again.
>>94413167go back to /v/
>>94413158>idk why you keep trying to shoehorn them into the conversation.One doesn't exist without the other in narrative terms. The 2004 version of both was created at the same time to work together, and both being dead ends in terms of the next step of humanity in the Emperor's plans. They're also an antiquity version of the SM/SoB medieval monks/nuns. That and more is why both are gender segregated.All this is super obvious.
>>94413197>One doesn't exist without the other in narrative termsWell, that's just not true
>>94413188>Drazhar's stuck with tittiesPhoenix Lords don't possess people's bodies, they just take their souls.Only Exarchs are limited to needing a host body.
>>94413174Wrong. Custodes have existed in their modern version far longer than the barely mentioned and irrelevant RT version.
>>94413197>both being dead endsSisters of Silence literally have families and secret Blank breeding projects you dumb fuckin' retard, they're not "dead ends" and if anything the Pariah gene is humanity's evolution to a hostile psychic universe
>>94413185I love warp talons. One of my favourite sculpts for CSM.
>>94413141>It moved NOTHING narrative wiseAnd thank fucking God for that. That's the oerect Retcon, doesn't change anything, only adds new opportunities. Narrative progression is a cancer on 40K. I miss my static two minutes from midnight 999.M41, it was much easier to fluff up why anyone was fighting when there wasn't a gaping asshole in the galaxy spewing demons. All the supposedly allied factions killing each other over minor disagreements was much more sound when there wasn't an enemy already at their doorsteps, but the bug cinflicts between armies that you'd already expect to hate each other still had enough narrative justifications. And if a new plot needed to be inteoduced they just looked into another war haooening at that exact same moment somewhere else in the galaxy that was previously unexplored. It was better, as a setting.
>>94413202I'm not talking about the technobabble of their genetic creation or the pariah null stuff."Narrative terms" is about their themes and place in the setting, that just got destroyed into shallow muscle mommies for online retards.
>>94413141>it doesn't matter if it's a pussy haver or a penis packer.It does. It implies women are as good as men (they're not).
>>94413216>fanfictionSisters of Silence are recruited as children if they're not killed before by their families, and their training and life is even harder than SoB, lorelet
>>94413204Do exarchs even have a possession thing going on? I thought they were just people lost in the path, same way Farseers (path of the Seer) or Corsairs (path of the Mariner) can go past the point of no return.
>>94413209>Wrong. Custodes have existed in their modern version far longerWhich means nothing because there has always been a precedent for GW changing shit at a whim because they want to.
>>94413209The modern custodes didn't have rules until near the end of 7e.
>>94413224>I miss my static two minutes from midnight 999.M41,
>>94413219I think is kinda whack that their shtick is being "Warp Spiders, but Chaos", but at least it's a very good shtick.
>>94413249>Do exarchs even have a possession thing going on?Yes.>I thought they were just people lost in the pathThat's how it starts, but if they inherit a shrine from another Exarch then they will become part of an amalgam of souls.
I like how this guy depicts the machine spirit as a waifu
>>94413268Yeah?
>>94413228>Narrative terms" is about their themes and place in the setting, that just got destroyed into shallow muscle mommies for online retards.See, you're the only person who actually thinks this, because you jerk off to fanfiction of the Watchers on the Throne characters or something. In reality they're two entirely separate armies and organizations with two entirely separate narrative and thematic roles, the Custodes also spent 10,000 years completely separate and doing nothing. They're separate armies entirely even in the Horus Heresy tabletop game, the Fishspeaker anti-psychics flying Dune No-Ships are not harmed by the golden jannies with millenia of depression having girls. >BUT MUH OTP SHIPPING!you can jerk off to it along with the people fapping to fucking Guilliman and Yvraine, saying female custards ruin SoS is retarded and nonsensical.Do you think female imperial guard means that space marines and guardsmen stop working as the Imperium's hammer and scalpel?
>>94413278>Machine Spirit ryona
>>94413209>A 2016 box that was given rules for 7th edition is the cornerstone of the entire game!god and people wonder why janny players get hate
I wanna do a red glow from within recesses. Do you think a fluorescent red enamel paint would be a good idea?
>>94413259the point is that Custodes/Sos lore has not really changed in 20 fucking years. It like orks no longer being green.>>94413266The game is just a vehicle to sell minis, but the setting it's way bigger than the limited scope of the game and always has been. It's one of the main attractions.
>>94413273I see, cool. In any case, feom.the comment in >>94413204 I assume you're saying Phoenix Lords don't really have bodies inside the suits? I didn't quite get what you're saying is supposed to have happened to the Succubus that put the armor on.
>>94413268>>I miss my static two minutes from midnight 999.M41,Yes, that's the difference between a narrative story with a beginning, middle, and end (like 30k slop) and a campaign setting for which individual events and stories can play out independently (like 40k, or other tabletop campaign settings like Eberron)
>>94413332He needs to lay off the dark meat.
>>94413311They just use the soul of whoever put on the suit to reconstitute themselves.
>>94413332Did they eat the kraken?
>>94413287>they're two entirely separate armies and organizations with two entirely separate narrative and thematic rolesStop lying, asshole. They've been the "Talons of the emperor" since 2004 and featured together often. Visions, Prospero, Watchers of the Throne.. even the fucking The Tithes tries to keep their close relationship despite fuckign with it>Do you think female imperial guard meansIG is coded as a mix of historical and sci-fi militaries (Aliens, starship troopers), and being normal humans is their identity. Marines and the rest are not. They're all freaks.>94413296Modern Custodes existed for a decade before they got those, moron
>>94413357>Modern Custodes existed for a decade before they got those, morongo ahead and show me the "modern custodes" models and rules from 2004 bro
The Luna wolves fought like gangsters.Horus was the godfatherAbaddon is Tony SopranoAll of the black legion speaks with an italian gangster accent
>>94413303>the setting it's way bigger than the limited scope of the game and always has been.This doesn't really help the custodes because they barely got any story. Most of the things about them, from their creation and factions, to their various duties and actions are mostly shrouded in mistery.
Hey kid wanna hang out in the Eye? it's pretty chill
>>94413303>It's one of the main attractions.No, the game is. 40K is a game made up of rules and miniatures, that is what gives GW money. The lore is just background to that, something that exists to facilitate selling their actual product.
>>94413259not for political reasons, no
>>94413303>the point is that Custodes/Sos lore has not really changed in 20 fucking years.It has changed.Custards becoming an army and finally getting out of the palace that was their lair like they were 30-something NEETs was a deliberate and massive change to their lore.Nevermind that GW at same time retconned custodes to have this super secret spy network made up of retired custodes who go around looking for heresy.You're disingenious.
>>94413424I don't care about your politics.
>>94413368>the Emperor doesn't exist and doesn't matter because it has no model or rulesok, retard>>94413380The same can be said about most factions. But it doesn't matter because we were told enough about their nature and role in the settting>>94413414Wrong, delusional retard. The game itself is just a (mediocre) device to sell minis. And most people do not play the game and never have been. For every player there's a lot more collectors (or consoomers if you will). This has always been the case.
>>94413438It's GW's politics.
>>94413368He isn’t talking about the miniatures you fucking retard and you know that.
>>94413428Neither of those were retcons and both made sense. Specially they getting out after the changes of Gathering Storm.Neither of those broke their core themes.
>>94413414look up how many people that buy minis actually play the game anon
Anyone try the AK wargame fluorescent enamels?
>>94413292Robogirls are great for ryona and guro because you don't have to feel bad about it since they can get fixed back up
>>94413438then why are you defending these politics specifically?
>>94413448He isn't talking about anything. He's made up an imaginary scenario in his head to then get mad about, a favorite pastime of posters on this website
Crusade never endin. Our zeal never bendin. Black templars ascendin. Emperor's light sendin.We'll Crusade eternal. Till the galaxy's secure.For the emperor of mankind. Our devotion is pure.
luv me Gray Knight Ogryn
Black Templar are cool
>>94413501The quality difference between every single side game and mainline 40k is genuinely comical
>>94413490>Shitmarisliterally ultramarines in black armor pretending something they're not
>>94413486Femstodes are unfortunately real, and I'm mad at lying retards like you trying to justify them
>>94410091I love you too, anon.>>94410108I was hoping to at least get the 5 generic chaos trim beaky commission done, but we'll see how much the price of the extra chaos specific gods cost will add up. If it isn't too much with the guy I'll ask for chaos god specific ones. >>94410129>One with teeth running along the side of the headI can somewhat see a chaos trim beaky helm with teeth protruding out of the sides. Very good suggestion.Nose ring one can probably be for Slaanesh chaos beaky helms.>>94410133Like flesh wrapped over the beaky helm? Maybe that will work.Here's hoping that the guy I'm commissioning has chaos space marine models so that the STLs work out of the box without any editing in 3D builder or Blender.
>>94413490>Our devotion is pure.Blessed
>>94413513post your models
>>94413556>NTA butI've seen zero primaris fanboys post their models when asking firstborn enjoyers to post theirs. How about a primaris model (doesn't have to be painted) with a timestamp just for once?
Brother, is it bad to eat next to your craft station
>>94413583>Need to clean brush>Whack brush filled with paint around in food bowl for a few seconds
>>94413501Actuallly psychic ogryns are a thing. Necromunda has the Awakened Ogryns (artificial) and Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waaagh! had Cassia (natural). And since the later was a result of the Great Rift there will be more natural psychic ogryns. Also, apparently they become pretty smart once they awaken their psychic abilities. So GK ogryns aren't impossible.
>>94413583Probably if you're doing things like sanding down resin or plastic or metal as you don't want that dust accidentally in your food. But if you're just painting then it should be fine. I personally just drink water with ice in it at the hobby desk.Also nice meal and bananas.
I just want magnus to be redeemed
>>94413589glue yummy
>>94413565>anybody asking me to prove I actually have a dog in this is a fanboygenuinely kill yourself /v/ermin
>>94413622So about that Primaris model with a timestamp?Am I gonna win another concession from the Primaris fanboys?
Fellas, I'm pretty new to the game - I've just started building my first combat patrol, Leagues of Votann.If I build Uthar the Destined instead of a generic Kahl, do I have to field a Greater Thurian League army, or can I use his statblock for any of the League subfactions and just fluff it as being a character with the same abilities? I've been painting Ymyr Conglomerate. He's just better than a regular Kahl, right?(Rules as written that is, I know I can do whatever the fuck I want if I'm just playing privately with friends.)
>>94413595>ActualllyActually*
>>94413141>it doesn't matter if it's a pussy haver or a penis packerCustodes were inspired by Alexander the Great (emps ship is the same name as his horse, the companions/300 reference, half of his armies ditching him etc)Alexander made a point of not having females among his companions. Because there is an astronomical amount of rape that goes on in armed forces.This still happens in modern militaries. All of the retards that try to champion equal representation in the military are actually stupid and deserve to be shunned.
>>94413661I'll post mine when you can post anything at all, brown-handed /v/ermin
>>94413665>If I build Uthar the Destined instead of a generic Kahl, do I have to field a Greater Thurian League armyYes.
>>94413372So that's why it's Chton"ia", it's like Ital"ia">Hey, I'm risin' 'ere!
>>94413372>>94413710More like he was space Mussolini
>>94413717More like space Joe Rogan.
Dark angels are gay
>>94413622Sounds like you got exposed you stupid bitch lmao
>>94413723whatever you say, nomodels /v/ermin
>>94413455They are retcons, they are continuety that has been added retroactively. And it is a shit idea as well.
How much fucking longer do we have to tolerate the soul grinder and defiler in 40K?
>>94413726says the guy who refuses to post his own models kwab
>>94413482I don't care it happened.
>>94413739I'm not beholden to the demands of /v/ermin lmao
>>94413745>ur from /v/>ur brownGot any other compelling arguments, brainlet?
>>94413501Keep the GSC proxies coming
>>94413698>when you can post anything at allNow you're turn. If you post your models with a timestamp then we'll just agree to disagree.
>gay: yourdudes>not gay: mydudes
>>94413758have my very first models>unable to even post marinesso you had no dog in this just like I said lmao
>>94413767counterpoint>not gay: my dudes>gay: yourdudes
>>94413778>>94413758>both posted modelswhat the protocol now?
>>94412319How are intercessors a versatile core of firepower when they don't have special or heavy weapons?You telling the tactical squad is less versatile?>intercessor armor easily supports different weaponsWhat does it mean? Hello?
>>94413782they kiss
>>94413782We make fun of both for evidently not THINNING YOUR PAINTS>>94413778>>94413758Your models look like ass
>>94413796I painted those terminators literally 22 years ago
primaris defenders are pretry easy to bait desu
>>94413778It never was about posting marines. I was just pointing out that I've never seen primaris fanboys posting their marines. But you have posted your models and you have good taste in hazard stripes so I guess we should just agree to disagree since we both have genuine stakes in this hobby.>>94413782I saw a post a few threads back about how an anon said both parties should just agree to disagree and an anon agreed with it so I figure that's the best course of action.
>>94413805>no modelswhat a shock
>>94413801And they look like ass
>>94413818feel free to post your models
>>94413818>and they look like ass He still posted models with a time stamp and now this is a rare instance where both disagreeing parties have models.
>>94413778>scared of posting recent models or people will associate them with shitposting
>>94413829nobody cares about your coping, nomodels
>>94413806I think the problem is too many people take it personally when you say "I don't like thing" as if they have to defend their choices to anonymous retards on the internet. Primaris fans in particular seem to have this battered wife syndrome about it, and are the least willing to accept criticisms.As a chaos player it's my duty to drive the wedge between loyal primaris-players and loyal primaris-haters, for the glory of the dark gods.
>>94413693>Custodes were inspired by Alexander the GreatKonrad Curze was inspired by the real life Dracula. Where's the book where it is stated that in 40k the modern Night Lords now see Konrad Curze as a hero who was right about absolutely everything to reflect the fact that Dracula is now seen as a hero in Romania?
>>9441383399% of the FIRSTBORN GOOD PRIMARIS BAD and the PRIMARIS GOOD FIRSTBORN BAD fags own zero models and just samefag to burn down threads
>>94413540>>94413540fuck you herebus, you never had faith!
>>94413791>How are intercessors a versatile core of firepower when they don't have special or heavy weapons?Boltrifles are superior to bolters.>You telling the tactical squad is less versatile?It doesn't say that, and indeed praises the flexibility of the tactical squad.>What does it mean? Assault Intercessors, Desolators, Hellblasters, Infernus.
>>94413778>>94413823>>94413817>>94413831>unable to even post marines>says to post "anything at all">is shown the party isn't even brown>moves goalpost to posting marines>gets hazard stripes complimented>guard poster gives terms to agree to disagreeYou're getting off pretty light here, anon.
>>94413843Cope, seethe, dillate. He won.
>>94413833>I think the problem is too many people take it personally when you say "I don't like thing" as if they have to defend their choices to anonymous retards on the internet. Primaris fans in particular seem to have this battered wife syndrome about it, and are the least willing to accept criticisms.You hit the nail, anon. People make models part of their identity and lash out like it is a physical attack on their person if someone says "I don't like thing" these days.
>>94413842I'd post the beginnings of my new army if I had color on it, I spent all weekend scraping moldlines and huffing sprue-goo instead of doing a test scheme. My old army looks like shit and I stored it away in shame, but I won't claim to be some veteran grog, just a guy with strong opinions.
>>94413737The defiler needs a do-over. It's a cool idea that's let down by an old, undersized model.Also, its lash always looked like shit.
>>94413847$10 its lamentranny but he's scared to post his regular models because he'd make a clown out of himself
>>94413877genuinely rent free
>>94413778Did you fight in desert storm?
you know, it's funny how small the rhino is. You could stick one in an impulsor probably.
>>94413877Maybe, it is hard to tell these days. I do know that this is a rare occurrence where two disagreeing anon actually posted their models with timestamps. But the butthurt marinefag moved the goalposts where guardfag gave him an exit to "agree to disagree" so if I had to pick a side I'd pick the guardfag.
are vindicators good now
>>94413892never moved the goalpostsit's just funny that somebody getting this uppity about firstborn doesn't even own them
>>94413893No. That's why they're in almost every competitive marine list.
>>94413100Less terminally online incels in those times...
>>94413899>2011extremely poor bait
>>94413896You literally typed "when you post anything at all" as the terms of your post model request and he complied with a timestamp and even showing his finger (needs to cut his nails better to be honest).By definition you are moving the goalpost, lmao
>>94413622>anybody asking me to prove I actually have a dog in this is a fanboy>genuinely kill yourself /v/ermin>>94413909retard
>>94413758>>9441377811/18/24The day two anons who disagree with each other prove they partake in the Warhammer hobby. Should I crack open a cold one to celebrate witnessing such a rare sight? Maybe buy a lottery ticket?
>Monday>4/5 battleforces still available in FreedomlandStill wished they made a generic Space Marine box but whatever.
>>94413917generic marine box would be as depressing as the generic marine patrol box
>>94413833I just like Primaris proportions
>>94413914I'm fairly sure this is often the case but people don't want to have models linked to their shitposting
>>94413884The rhino is so small you can fit them inside other rhinos
>>94413835But he was right about absolutely everything.
>>94413661>>94413913I'm surprised he didn't accept your concession for not posting primaris marines yet. To paraphrase an anon you're getting off really light here when he said to agree to disagree.
>>94413877
>>94413914>the Warhammer hobby.Corporate shill detected, the hobby is tabletop wargaming, Warhammer is a brand name
>>94413898why are they good now what changed
>>94413944post your models
>>94413944I meant the Warhammer side of the hobby when I typed the Warhammer hobby.Sorry.
>>94413835The night lord omnibus, unironically. Talos confirms this.
>>94413877Rent free fr tho lmao
>cutting into first model>Hands shaking>Trying to be perfect>Horribly anxious about cutting wrong>Taking too long to put everything togetherChrist how nerve wracking was your first model? I feel like I'm in an exam or defusing a bomb. This will probably go away after a while.
>>94414003I'm not a pathetic faggot so I wasn't worried.
3d printed 12 exalted eightbound for my world eaters
>>94414021I'm not a pathetic faggot either and yet I'm worried.
>>94413932woah
>>94414003I built my first ever model with a pair of oversized wire cutters and an actual knife.
>>94414003You'll be fine, champ
The store hasn't called me back yet and they said it would be monday or tuesday. It was a hiring event that supposedly hires people on the spot but the store manager was busy so I interviewed with a assistant manager who said I'd get a call monday or tuesday. They need me because they really just need warm bodies haha can't wait to hear from them tomorrow. Should I get a title loan to get started on my army already? Do you need to know where the actual title piece of paper or whatever is to get one?
>>94414024Are they going to be painted or is this it
>>94414008>pick up the book because Leagues lore regarding technology, living spaces, spaceships is sparse>350~ pages bouncing between a dozen characters and at least four different events taking place simultaneously>incredibly little time is spent talking about the Votann themselves or how their technology works>in contrast, author took a good amount of time talking about the romantic relationship between an ironkin and a KhalActually upsetting.
>>94414051>Gavinthorpe>Feminist shit>Expecting anything goodlmao
>>94413960I'm not reading an ADB book to find out if this is true or not. We're talking about Talos Valcoran, supposedly the only one who wanted revenge for Curze's death, right? I get the feeling that he's not a reliable narrator when it comes to anything Curze-related.
>>94413693>but in real life40k isn't real life. And custodes aren't mentally deficient normie humans who rape anything that moves.
>>94414058Talos is actually insane, that much is true. He spends much of his time restrained in a dark prison cell, screaming, as he witnesses the future.But he also has flashbacks to when he talked with Curze about his relationship with the Emperor.
How gay do you want the emperors children revamp to be? I want to see femboy neophites and cultists that look like cenobytes. Maybe Lucius has a new ability to force his opponent to cum just be he strikes, rendering them stunned or lowering their toughness
>>94414038I got myself a no-work government job. They pay isn't great but I don't have to do anything.
>>94414087I want the faction to focus on literally anything other than sexual depravity.
>>94414097find another faction then faggot
>>94414051>>94414057The pandering is the least of the problems. nuSquats have been designed by commitee and it shows. There's just too many contradictory themes (danger hair gender politics! greedy capitalistic dwarfs! space vikings! ) and no real creative vision or freedom.Their cultural quirks are forced and ring false, you can see a product manager in your mind everytime they repeat their stupid mantra of "toil earn keeps" or whatever
>>94414097Slaanesh is about rape and drugs and that's what it was ever since it's inception.The whole "muh perfection" angle came in later because times and cultural out look has changed and GW realized they can't sell actual half nude rape daemons to little Timmy who's gonna ask his mom or dad to buy them for him.
>>94414097their god was literally born from a species-wide nonstop orgythe daemons they worship are all hermaphrodite rapemonsterskill yourself puritan tourist
>>94414041yeah I was just thinking about that myself, I could just do em bronze and an oil dunk if I don't want to paint mass eightbound
>>94414109>There's just too many contradictory themes (danger hair gender politics! greedy capitalistic dwarfs! space vikings! )None of these are really contradictory.Wokeshit is of course bad, but dwarfs and Nordic shit goes together well, Vikings were themselves a very mercantile people. The issue really is just that they're super bland. GW even did them better in AoS as the Kharadron Overlords.
>>94414075Talos is also a huge contradictory fag, like all of ADB's dogshit characters. >A BLOO BLOO BLOO WE HAVE FALLEN SO FAR WHAT HAS BECOME OF OUR LEGION >tears a man apart like a banana >recollects killing his own mother when he came back to Nostromo as a Legionary and barely recognizes her >WHAT HAVE BECOME A BLOO BLOO BLOO
Can I take my jar of dead cockroaches to a tournament and call them tyranids?
>>94414109>buzzwords
>>94414106THE Slaanesh marine is a glam rock guitarist. EC doesn't have to be about bob and vegana.
>>94414173a gimmick commemorative series model is not the defining aesthetic retard>>94414142
>>94413901Statement stands tho, kid.
>>94414185it doesn't, thanks for admitting you weren't on this site before 2016
>>94414157It's more like>trained as terrorist loyalists>utilized as terrorist loyalists>legion prefers to do what it was trained to doTalos is more pissed that they were cast into the garbage bin after Curz got caught in a self-fulfilling prophecy that Emps helped create.
>>94414173This model specifically came after the whole "muh perfection" shit with Slaanesh and clearly even in this model GW leaning much more into the wacky "rock 'n' roll, loud, obnoxious" aesthetic instead of leaning into the Hellraiser Cenobite, BDSM, rapist shit.
>>94414109You are missing the true irony. They are literally a corporate product, in universe. A committee by design from the "Golden age". An endlessly rehashed product to meet a bottom line for overlords long dead.
>>94414097Good. We already have one of those and don't need to rehash anymore Elf aspects into Marines than we already do
>>94414026The data says otherwise.
>>94414197>This model specifically came after the whole "muh perfection" shit with SlaaneshIt's directly based on a very old model.
>>94414112>>94414142>faction is explicitly about excess>not just sex, but orgies>not just drugs, but all the drugs>not just fine silk robes, but modifying your skin to feel every single strand of fiber running along your skin>not just music, but blowing out your eardrums>secondaries decide to focus on the sex
>>94414193Curze created the loop himself because he is a defeatist, nihilist faggot.Sanguinius had the exact same problems and powers as Curze, what did Sang do? Still his best and wasn't a schizophrenic loony who was a danger to everyone around him and himself which is what Curze was.Even Lion mentioned that the Chaos Gods were constantly whispering in his ear and whatever and Lion instead just found it fucking annoying.
>>94414220>>94414221go back to aos if you want muh safe for work neutered slaanesh
>>94414168Only a few individually paint every single cockroach and glue guns to their limbs so they are wizzy wig. Make sure they are mounted on the right sized base too.
>>94414220Which was made specifically during the times when EC was the cenobite hellraiser shit as well, all EC were like it even if they weren't noise marines.
>>94414221>calling anybody else secondaries when you blatantly own zero modelslol
>>94414151I don't know if oils and dips work great for 3d printing, I've never seen them used together. I would have thought that the oils would be too good at picking out layer lines that you otherwise wouldn't see
>>94414267resin prints don't have layer lines unless you're smoothbrained
NEW THREAD >>94414255>>94414255>>94414255
>>94414227>coomers gonna coom
>>94414227I can't even begin to imagine what you think EC are going to look like on the tabletop.Gooners need to leave, unironically.
>>94414168Only if I'm allowed to bring my jar of live ones
>>94413268God yes. Did you really think phrasing it in a dismissive way would be convincing to anyone?
>>94414270I have seen tonnes of resin prints with layer lines. I've seen some very smooth ones online but I don't think I've ever seen any printed stuff that doesn't have layer lines somewhere. Not a printfag, just observing what I've seen around me
>>94414305literally just print at .025mm layers with AA turned on and there are no layer lines
>>94414227>AoS Slaanesh has half naked woman>40k Slaanesh has fully clothed men with loudspeakersWHich one is the safe for work one?
>>94414324Why is it that 95% of printfags fail to do this?
>>94414355because they're lazy and they bought into a printer off of some youtuber going THIS IS THE PERFECT WAY TO GET INTO HOBBY and didn't realize you had to do the most basic level of legwork to get your prints looking decentthen they go on to print way too many models and never painting any because they get demoralized looking at the massive queue they've accrued so quickly
>>94414355Most people who buy 3d printers have no experience in CAD, or any sort of manufacturing role at allThey buy a printer and print stuff but don't actually know what anything they do does or how to make what they want (which isn't what they ask for)
>>94414335I see women dressed half naked at work all the time, but people still tell me I have to turn my music down
>>94414335Loud music is less safe for work because it'll damage your hearing. Wear your earpro bros
it would be funny I think if EC had a weapon that was like a 1 bazillion lumen disco ball that blinded everyone with a kaleidoscope of colors.
>>94412230>Primaris are one head taller than FirstbornGuess not. They're only marginally taller
>>94414221it doesn't have to be either or. Even in Index Astartes OG backstory to the Emperor's Children it mentions both them striving for perfection and doing shit like rendering the population of Terra into psychedelic drugs. Perfection also allows for more fun stories like the recent Renegades novel where the EC lord saves an imperial world and tries to make it perfect instead making it so terrible and depraved it leads to a full on Khornate incursion and the lord getting beaten to death by a Bloodthirster
