Second Night of Slaanukah Edition>Balance Dataslatehttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/chwd2fdd/warhammer-40000-balance-dataslate-deep-strikes-and-ap-in-the-crosshairs/>Fulgrim Is Coming!https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/7d4knyuv/kneel-before-the-immaculate-form-of-fulgrim-daemon-primarch-of-slaanesh/>Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh>Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th Edition Rules:https://gofile<dot>io/d/9LvQTLhttps://mega<dot>nz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A>How to make wargames terrainhttps://gofile.io/d/s99zDV>Secret Level animationhttps://gofile.io/d/J7muqs>Previous Thread:>>94666536 >Thread Question:What else do you hope to see with the Emperor's Children model line?
>TQ zero sex. None. I want them to explore other forms of excess.
>>94669209cringe, safe grim dark and blue haired take
I wanna make a guard army since I have a 3d printer now but I can't decide what to go for.On the one hand I wanna do a death korps one because I think they look cool and also have a fetish for gas masks.On the other I really wanna do something that's sorta Metal Gear themed, problem is that I don't know if I'll be able to make something that'll be distinct enough on the tabletop to pick out, especially if I wanna make the rank and file look like Diamond Dogs members.Any advice for picking?
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>>94669203>tqCultist bikers or seeker riders either guns.
>>94669226>>94669233It’s six, but close.
>>94669222>On the one hand I wanna do a death korps one because I think they look cool and also have a fetish for gas masks.Why not steel legion?I mean, i think their gasmask are sexier than those from krieg
>>94669221We have plenty of sex in the demons. Explore something else with the dudes
Cultist-chan is cute.
>>94669203>>Thread Question:>What else do you hope to see with the Emperor's Children model line?There's no hope left, the rumours have been confirmed.You're getting legionnaires, noise marines, homobounds, a generic hq and Lucius, nothing else, not bikes, not cultists, not terminators, not beastmen, not vehicles, not demon engines, not doomrider, not eidolon, not the creations of bile, nothing else.
>>94669203>TQDoomrider!
>>94669256It's only the first wave, mate. If they're reasonably popular they'll get plenty more in time
>>94669203You really had to prove anon correct, didn't you?>>94669043
>>94669238Realistically speaking, I would probably give them a paint job that isn't just grey trench coats or something, since I like to write my own background shit for my guys. It's more just using the minis due to availability. Plus, really, anyone who sees gas masks on guardsmen are probably gonna instantly think Death Korps anyway.
Should I run oops all dudespam or oops all dudes in boxes for my 1k scion army?
>>94668847>Why even pretend like you’re gonna get an EC army if you’re not interested in Fulgrim?I already collect emperors children since just after the start of the Chaos range refresh because I like them and think noise marines are neat (I already have loads of resin upgrade kit noise marines). I don't dislike Fugrim in fluff I just don't want to run him on the table because it doesn't appeal to me vs my own generic HQs and i especially don't want the entire faction to be reduced to buffing a rape snake and nothing more like the WE codex.
>>94669209How are they going to show 'sex' on the battlefield anyway?That's more of a fluff component not really something you see in the models besides an occasional exposed breast or whatever the fuck.Expect a lot of flayed skin and self mutilation, piercings, etc.
>>94669267Could probably make a really cool custom daemon prince to proxy for Fulgrim anyways. There's lots of directions you could go for it too because of how broad Slaanesh's portfolio is.
>>94669256>homoboundswhat are those?
>>94669263>If they're reasonably popularSlaanesh is consistently the least popular flavor of chaos, and not even the others got a second wave.Thousand sons were the first to be made in plastic and aside from spare aos kits and faggy fanart they got jack shit, their second wave isn't on the horizon even after almost 10 years.
>>94669277Slaaneshi daemon princes are already horrifically overpowered in 10th so I'll just keep my generic DP and leave fulgrim on the shelf. Hopefully I don't be too heavily torpedoed by that when the nerfs come flying in once GW has moved enough units while the faction is OP.
>>94669203Wow OP you made a thread? that's awesome! you're totally the center of attention now! Good thing nobody made a thread before you! The Quickest throoder of the west am I right?
>>94669221People on /tg/ will seethe nonstop about how Slaanesh isn't the sex only chaos God and say its only a secondary thing then post stuff like this when people suggest making a non-sex based slaanesh thing
>>94669267No you don’t.
>>94669269Same way they've always done it: Show a little skin. Maybe some vague allusions to BDSM or cult groupies.
Reposting the Proteus, still missing a bolter and the second marine, but it's on the way
>>94669296Slaanesh and Eldar have one thing in common: they're both unpopular because they haven't had a lot of support in recent years since the big explosion of the gane's popularity with the start of 8th edition.
>>94669203>TQMore neovaginas, we need to make more efforts towards including LGBTQIA2S+ in all aspects of the hobby.
>>94669203>TQI hope it's absolutely garbage so our resident shitstirrer will stop posting
>>94669335Fulgrim already has a big one front and center.
>>94669317You're mistaking anon for OP, he's the one who hurried to make a thread the moment he considered a random anon's demeaning comment an implicit challenge or something.>>94669043
>>94669327>Slaanesh and Eldarmaybe dark eldareldar are popular slaanesh marines and dark eldar are also similar in their unappealing themes and in the fact they parasitize another faction's popularity to stay up and running (generic chaos marines and craftworld eldar respectively)
Maybe we really get the EC vs Eldar box that should have happened a decade ago.
>>94669341That is why I said more, one is not sufficient. Transfolx should be able to field and entire army of transfolx just like we get to field entire armies of cisfolx.
>>94669362No, we really shouldn't, the sooner we get these gay releases out of the way the sooner we can go back to releases that actually matter.
>>94669373But you already have GSC?
>>94669362That’s the dream.
>>94669362We will finally get the Eldar v Slaanesh dance off
>>94669386Armies who entire backstory is related to breeding aren't good at representing the struggle of the LGTBQIA2S+ community anon.
>>94669397Their backstory is actually based on snatching and subverting healthy civilizations through reprogramming and transforming into unholy, unnatural wretches, so that's really representative.
>>94669280like eightbound, but slaanesh.
medium grim
Eldar would be improved if they were all cuterEven the men
>>94669373fair enough, if we are committed to establishing EC as a containment army we should go all the way.
>>94669416Agreed, they should be anime elves. Also Tau should all be animefied, and also be female only.
>>94669410>Friend asked me about the lore behind my guys, GSC>Tell him briefly about tyranids, Patriarch, the cult and the ascension day>So they're the jews then?
>>94669429Yeah, the scientology cult fits much better for a joke.
>>94669362EC vs Dark Eldar in an excess-off
>>94669256But we already got the Creations of Bile.
How good is the Eldar combat patrol?
>>94669256I think that's just how 40k is now. You could probably apply this template to any other army refresh.
So no big reveal today, since they blew their load prematurely with Fulgrim? How decidedly fitting.
>>94669442
>>94669448It's pretty good, one of the best after Genestealer's previous box.
>>94669362Release the Harlequin wave 2 GW, now is the time
>>94669416But eldars more beautiful than humans. Even females
>>94669465I thought the descriptions were always uncanny valley stuff, like perfect but so perfect it's a little creepy
>>94669457On Boxing Day?
>>94669470Nobody's watching boxing today you retard. Everybody's busy getting drunk in their hometown
So "Fulgrim's rotating armory of swords" is called our specifically as an excuse to have him show up with the Ynnari Crone sword in the narrative, isn't it?
>>94669470The Dark Angels box set reveal was on a Boxing Day stream last year I think. But that was announced ahead of time.Next preview stream will be on New Year's Eve as always, with a bunch of dark silhouettes.
Got this very based Christmas gift from my brother
>>94669478And close it. Games Workshop isn't going to take him away a item that has been put on the official model...Or maybe they do, they aren't that consistent, lol
>>94669461Tick, tock last good combat patrol.James is coming for you with an "update" without the vehicles.Grey Knights too.
>>94669482Except the sword isn't on the official model. Neither is Ferrus's sword. They're just both mentioned. Probably as an excuse to not have the model be outdated if the narrative moves forward.
>>94669485Tau is also still up there
>>94669440Nah, Dark Eldar should wait to square off against Dark Mech with a Haemonculus Covens dark technomancers competition.
>>94669485I bought two of the GSC's, I regret nothing (maybe not getting a 3rd). I'll finish the first box this weekend and varnish them, then begin assembling the 2nd box.It really was a good box, I don't think I'd play GSC given how expensive the army is without this box. Dark Eldar next
>>94669203>What else do you hope to see with the Emperor's Children model line?Some goddamn bikesNoise DefilerMaybe even a hover vehicle to underline how the EC are all about hitting fast in just the right spot, because they're perfectionists
I'm gonna buy the Votaan combat patrol and paint them up as Ymyr Conglomerant.Dunno if it'll turn into a 2k army but I have the itch to paint some space dwarves
Next big wave release is probably Leagues of Votann then, right? They still have to smallest unit count in the game I think.
>>94669519>>94669521guerilla marketing team OUT
>>94669521Nah, Votann was a clear miss. GW will play it safe with SWs after EC
>>94669519>>94669521Sorry dw*rf players this is an elf and human game
Can we hope for another loyalist primarch next year? Will it be Russ?
>>94669521>Next big wave release is probably Leagues of Votann then, rightThe who?
>>94669309This is most of my army sans my terminators, heldrake, Venomcrawler, and sonic dreadnought conversion that are in subassembly hell and another half built squad of noise marines I'm holding off on until the new kit comes out. Also some of my possessed that I took apart to clone bits. Feel free to post your fully battle ready EC army that mohs my half painted army with blu tacked to bases HQs (I procrastinate terminally on thematic basing)
>>94669539Why are you posting greyslop and calling it an army?
>>94669530>GW will play it safe with SWs after ECI'm betting on Eldar after EC. SW's probably after them. For a marine army, they've been neglected for a while. IMO that signals that GW is trying to redesign them, hopefully into something that isn't dumb and doesn't make them look like furries.
I know how to paint a bitchin' purple but emperors children as a new release doesnt interest meI dont like 10th and I know fully well GW will fuck over anyone with older models by making noise marines a 3 man unit, which rumours seem to suggest
>>94669548Because I know you don't collect EC and can't post any
>>94669440there should exist one weird dark eldar subfaction that allows someone to field dark eldar and slaaneshi marines together as one army because I'm sick and tired of pretending dark eldar aren't practically slaanesh eldar.And if dark eldar at large are not allowed to be antithetical to craftworld eldar then let it be one group of dark eldar that does so.
>>94669550>doesn't make them look like furries.I think GW make them MEGAfurries. Like 300% more furrier than before. SW beyond save now. SW release will be a shit show.
>>94669521They're one of the least interesting/played armies. GW will keep focusing on the popular factions because investing more in Voltann is a net negative
>>94669561If they had gone forward with the Ynnari plan, Covens were the portion of DE that were getting dropped from the combined codex. So they could have been rolled into Bile's group or maybe Dark Mech or something.
Drukhari are definitely next to get a big redesign because they intentionally didn't include any of their heads in the basing materials kit, just like EC.
>>94669561The problem isn't that the Dark Eldar wouldn't cut deals with literally anybody for power, it's that the EC (to some extent) act on Slaanesh's will. Slaanesh wants every single Eldar soul, and making an alliance (however temporary that may be) is acting directly against Slaanesh.
>>94669566>SW release will be a shit show.Nah, the rumors point to them losing the retarded shit like the thunderwolves cavalry and the grav sled.Space wolves are the one kind of marine that will greatly benefit from their primaris update stripping them of 60% of their themed trinkets.
>>94669410Except GSCs work best on planets that don't have healthy societies since they target downtrodden workers and exploit resentment against nobility
>>94669566>>94669583SW are already a shit show and have been since like 6th onward. GW went WAY to fucking hard in the wolf direction of things and just made it a complete fucking meme. I get the whole idea is they are you know, space WOLVES, but they are meant to be nordic themed. There is a lot more to nordic themes then just MUH WOLF!
>>94669577>*monke paw gets cramps after curling up too much*
>>94669577>Litearlly just a box of bits>Be GW>That will be 30 USD please>Im assuming, i dont know the price.
>>94669578I find that a retarded absolute.Slaanesh wanted every elven souls in fantasy too but that didn't stop the creation of the pleasure cults, if anything it's a kind of nuance that would help in instantly creating a measure of depth and characterisation.
>>94669577>didn't include any of their headsWhat about the ur ghul skull?
>>94669583Hopefully SW's don't lose actually cool shit like Bjorn, Murderfang, and Sagas.>>94669599That's about the correct price.
>>94669577that's dumb, you're dumb.
>>94669608>That's about the correct price.I have reached the point in this hobby that i know i should be upset and disgusted with the fact that GW is charging about 30 bucks for fucking skulls. But i am so fucking demoralized that i cant even muster my effort to be mad. Thank god i fucking buy only recast anymore.
>>94669592It was memed as codex: wolf wolves for a reason
>>94669539>sonic dreadnought conversion that are in subassembly hell Im curious, do you have any pics of it?
>>94669607Ur-Ghul already got a plastic redesign. It's safe to include. And that proves they didn't just forget the Drukhari range entirely. It's the Kabalite Helmets they're clearly changing the design of.
>>94669608>Murderfang>CoolI hope you mean just the wider dreadnought kit.Hare to say if they're keeping it: on one hand it's likely they will lose it because blood angels lost theirs, on the other hand the SW dreadnought is special because it has a relatively important special character and because there's no generic primaris dreadnought option of a similar type that GW needs to push like it had with the brutalis dreadnought stepping on the furioso/company dreadnought.
>>94669592>since like 6th onwardtry 2nd editionthe wolf naming, the wolf helmet, the wolf pets, the wolf trinkets and the wolf insignia was already obnoxiously overexposed from day 2retards think it wasn't only because it's the status quo they were introduced to and are afraid of criticizing old stuff
>>94669629They didn't forget, they just preferred to use normal eldar helmets instead, same reason why they preferred normal csm heads instead of slaanny marines, why they preferred normal human skulls over votann skulls.
Inb4 fabius makes female csm
>>94669633>I hope you mean just the wider dreadnought kit.I like Dreadnoughts that do stuff other than shoot dudes and occasionally hit stuff with their fists.I like librarian dreads that are ancient keepers of knowledge. (GW, give them back)I like ones that are losing their shit and hyped up on bloodlust that it's reflected in their rules- Murderfang being able to slaughter his way through multiple enemy units in a single activation fits that bill perfectly. I wish Death Company dreads could do that.The "They freeze him in super-ice between battles" thing is dumb but that's kind of part of the issue with Space Wolves as a whole- the writers choosing to do something dumb with them as opposed to doing something more "normal".
>>94669658He already did, nobody cares, the point isn't giving female marines to slaanesh or to chaos, it's removing male-only marines in the posterboy faction.
>>94669658With all the bitching I hear about female space marines, you'd think this hobby was already full of little girls.
>>94669649I love the older SW stuff
>Test my Inceptor brick strategy>Inceptors dealing 23 wounds to a Knight at D2 AP-2>Kill it and overwatch down a wounded armiger with 17 wounds on overwatchThis is such a stupid swingy strategy, I love them
>>94669669No one thinks about female marines nearly as much as the people seething about them even though they don't even exist
>>94669674I don't, but you a cool dude, I hope the wolves update matches your wishlist.
>>94669649A few pelts and even a couple of helmets isn't a huge deal. What I hate in the SW range particularly are Grimnar's sleigh and Wulfen. Thunderwolf cavalry are kind of silly too.Honestly if they leaned more into a Nordic Viking aesthetic people would like the army more.
>>94669669>>94669679So why did you jump to defend the idea with passive aggressions?
>>94669649>overexposedhttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Space_Wolves>RT1 of 42 marines shown is a furry>2nd edition0 out of five marines are furries>3rd5 of 59 marines are furries (wulfen)>5rd3 of 35 marines are furries (wolf helmet)>7th5 out of 9 marines are furries (wulfen) (not counting dreadnoughts)>8th0 of 2 marines are furries>9th0 out of 5 marines are furries>forge world5 out of 21 marines are furries (deathsworn) (not counting the wolf helmet upgrade pack)
>>94669688Look one of thems already getting bothered
I did itI bought an airbrush and compressor
>>94669256>the rumours have been confirmed.Until GW shows the rest, they haven't.>unique legionaries but not cultistsWhere does this information even come from?
>>94669203>What else do you hope to see with the Emperor's Children model lineTheir original black and pink scheme. Purple/gold is reddit.
>>94669481That’s dope. Metal is nice to have.
>>94669327 they're both unpopular because they haven't had a lot of support in recent yearsI love this pathetic copeeven when they were getting equal support in the 90s they were proportionally unpopular>>94669351>eldar are popularlollmao
>>94669277I was thinking of using one of his heads if they’re the correct size for it.
>>94669577By that logic necrons are getting another refresh, don't be silly
>>94669726>getting triggered againcan you please fuck off
>>94669739shitstirrers larping as eldarfags like (you) are so fragile lmao
pls stop arguing bros :(
>>94669577I knew it was soon when they were absent from the Space Marine 2 concept art.
>>94669681>I hope the wolves update matches your wishlist.I'd like a good upgrade sprue, lots of bare heads. New wolf guard terminators, Arjac and Njall remade in plastic. Rules wise, maybe a thundercav detachment and a blood claw/drop pod one
DWARVES
>>94669714The same source that said fulgrim would have had a demonette claw at the end of his tail.
How would you guys make good blood splatter.I want some of my guys drenched in blood, and I know I should use an old brush or teethbrush to stain the model, but what colour shoud I use?
>>94669764>Bare headsYuck
>>94669766Red is the best dwarf.
>>94669698If you want to flex your elementary counting skills try counting how many individual wolf or wolf related decorations you can see in this one image.
>>94669780Blue. Fucking T'rannies
All space marine subfactions/legions should be squatted
>>94669761why would they be in the sm2 concept art? non autistic answers only please
>>94669203Will the whip be a weapon, or an ability? Kind of redundant tin have that many melee profiles.
>>94669780citadel's blood for the blood god is unironically still the best blood effect paintif you want it to look thicker and darker use a small amount of black ink after the blood has dried and put it in the middle of the blood splots, then a light coat of blood god over that an hour-ish later when it's all set up too
>>94669802Tau have been retconned to have red blood too.
>>94669786t. Afraid of painting skin and hairDo (you) not want viking warriors, the heroes of the sagas, etc?
>>94669806Because they’re obviously going to be playable in MP at some point or enemies in a DLC.
>>94669780Dried blood is dark, rusty red, and it dries to things very quickly, so I would do that as a base layer, then if you want wet blood, do a richer red on top of the dried blood, particularly in recesses (such as ork boys always have scars and wounds all over their bodies)Also remember the rule of gravity, blood runs down as directly as it can. so if you have a wound on the top of a thigh that is cocked upwards due to the pose, it will probably run down the sides rather than down towards the kneecap.You can visualise this stuff in the shower, pour a cup of water on your leg or arm in different positions and see how it runs
>>94669819not at all, necrons were
>>94669815...That doesn't make any sense. Why would their skin be blue?
>>94669819No, they aren't, why would you think that? There's no class that needs an EC counterpart like there was the need of an AL marine to parallel the primaris sniper and the only faction that got a minimal amount of foreshadowing to suggest getting added as new enemies in a story DLC is necrons.Nobody wants pink marines either.
>>94669838because of some blue pigment in the skin? you think this frog has blue blood?
>>94669838Because you don’t know how light works.
>>94669577Custodes head being there is kinda weird, what the hell couldve killed a custodes?
>>94669853anything
So now that fulgrim is back:1. What is he gonna do?2. Who's dick he gonna suck?3. Are we gonna get the 10,000 year rematch that IH players have been craving for?
>>94669605It's the irony of the dark eldar that's interesting. They can only resist Slaanesh by feeding her. There's also a certain stubborn arrogance to it that's appealing. Everything they do would be considered Slaanesh worship in any other context. But for them, it's being true to themselves. They were this way before Slaanesh existed and they will not acknowledge Slaanesh's power over them by changing themselves. EC and DE are the same on the surface, but they're completely different under the hood.
>>94669853>what the hell couldve killed a custodes?One of my Farseers killed like four of them in a single game in 9th. Smite and Executioner were busted.
>>94669853Grot, inbred mutant, outbred mutant, clown, shitass armiger, dangerous terrain test, anything.
>>94669862Nothing consequential.Nobody's.No.
>>94669853Dark lances
>>94669853Lots of things, as Custodes are just juiced-up statblocks instead of plot devices now.
>>94669862nobody cares
>>94669853my block of bladeguard vets with judiciar killed two full squads of wardens last weekit's not hard lol
>>94669862nothing his own, like opdunno, ask /hhg/
>>94669851>>94669852Don't care, kill yourselves, GW can also ACK. Ciaphas Cain is my lore bible.
>>94669883We're not talking about Phoenix Lords
>>94669900fulgrim might as well be a phoenix lord for how much nobody cares about him
>>94669863>EC and DE are the same on the surfacethat's enough to justify at least one subfaction of degenerate elves to align with them so people who like that kind of surface look can get both and run them together in a coherent army
>>94669900You are right now.
>>94669802What you got against my new little dudes? Every galaxy needs its naive idiots with big fuck off guns.
>>94669921Why did you censor one of your fingertips??
Genestealers fit my aesthetic (Innsmouth Space Cultists) but their model range kinda sucks and isn't very customizable and it seems they get crushed in battle reports. Are they fun to play?
>>94669909Slaanesh demands every Eldar soul.>I don't like AbsolutesYou don't have a choice.
>>94669936Would Slaanesh be 'nicer' to Eldar who worship it? I.e., give them the 'good' pain?In fact, wouldn't Slaanesh-worshipping Eldar gladly be as excessive and depraved as possible, jumpung at the chance to suicide charge something to 'join' with Slaanesh?
>>94669194>>94669185It should have been a deldar gf reeeeeeWe were robbed>>94669806>>94669846NTA but devs said that they want to add an Apothecary class eventually. Adding EC as a playable PvP counterpart would be the way to do it
>>94669605>Slaanesh wanted every elven souls in fantasy too but that didn't stop the creation of the pleasure cultsYeah and it was fucking stupid and I'm happy it's gone
technically speaking you should be able to sim every possible army against every other possible army and come out with the top list for every army, and then after can tweek against meta builds, right? why has no one done this?
>>94669965Because playing 40k competitively is fucking gay.
>>94669883>>94669903THE COUNCIL OF SAIM FAYG HAS DECREED!NONE SHALL CARE ABOUT THE NEW FULGRIM LORE NOR MODEL! ALL DISCUSSION ON SUCH TOPICS IS THEREBY ILLEGAL AND GAY AND WILL BE FAG-CALLED WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE!
>>94669928Sallyfag is fairly autistic about opsec.
>>94669965You can't really sim player skill levels varying, some armies are easier to play than others so people would see the win rates not matching the sims for certain armies and would think the sims were broken.
Fulgrim is going to fight LhykisHe's going to grab her and try to suck out her soul (through her butt, naturally)She's going to spray webs on him in realiation then crawl away on all eight limbs like a freaky spider while he's pulling strands off his faceFulgrim will then get distracted by a shiny rock and forget all about herThe shiny rock will actually be Ferrus Mannus' necrodermis'd head, which will be getting its own model in 2026 when GW decides to revisit this plotline
>>94669952>Open your soul up to Slaanesh and expecting Slaanesh not to eatLmao
>>94669256Are you completely retarded, anon? Brand new armies don't launch with their whole range, they have a first wave of releases to get you started, then typically a second wave to flesh out the rest of their core units.
>>94670001That's the point anon, they WANT Slaanesh to eat them, but they also want to spread the 'good' word before it happens
I love how desperate ynarri faggots are. Fulgrim gets new model and they be like THAT MEANS SLANNESH WILL BE KILLED BY YNNEAD SOON !!
>>94669976>upset nobody gives a fuck about emperor's children>throws a fit and calls people samefags immediatelylollmao
>>94669965>technically speaking you should be able to sim every possible army against every other possible armynoone is going to use a quantum supercomputer to balance warhammer
you DO have your custom 2nd/11th primarch + legion RIGHT?
390.M41:>Wow, I love that my 400th great grandfather fought at Beta Garmon and gave his life in defence of the Imperium against the Warmaster!005.M42:>Chads at Schola Progenium call me Beta because of my 400th great grandfather's service.The Imperium has fallen. Thousands must be purified in holy fire.
>>94669976You're not forbidden from wanting to discuss it, it's that nobody wants to discuss it, otherwise you would be discussing his lore with someone instead of crying people aren't discussing his lore with you.
>>94669994you dont need to account for player skill when you cover every possibility>>94670011this is why no one will remember your name
>>94669909It's tough because eldar essentially go to turbo hell when they die and Slaanesh consumes them. Working with EC means helping them achieve a goal that gets the DE closer to that turbo hell, directly or indirectly. I can see it happening in a fluff piece or something where an archon thinks he can use them and betray them before they achieve their goal though.
>>94670008What are you talking about? Nobody itt has said anything about that.
>>94670017No. My Marines are an Ultima Founding Chapter created using chimeric geneseed spliced from the Imperial Fists and the White Scars.Yes they are autistic.
>>94670017no that's for coldsteel the hedgehog fags
>>94670021>It's tough because eldar essentially go to turbo hell when they die and Slaanesh consumes them.Who cares? the degenerates in question would be the ones who think they're gaming the system and dooming others to save themselves, just like how normal deldar do it with normal people.
>>94670007That's retarded and not even in the fun way that GSC's are retarded (they don't know/are brainwashed into thinking they won't get eaten once their 'Gods' arrive).Eldar know Slaanesh wants to eat their souls.
>>94670020>you dont need to account for player skill when you cover every possibility>balancing for high end players onlythe type of retardation that kills every game it's applied to
>>94670006>then typically a second wave to flesh out the rest of their core units.Feel free to point to the second wave of thousand sons or world eaters.
>>94670043or GSCor votann
>>94670041think you missed the point. reply was saying that it would be hard to sim player skill, but if every possible move is presented, then not only would the best list be discovered but the best play style for that list. this has nothing to do with balance of the game
>Aliens aren't real, they're just human sins given form so we can do penance by killing them.>Never mind what we're doing penance for, but knowing us it was probably something bad, we're real sick and twisted.
>>94670020That isn't how computing things works anon, it isn't sorcery. Armies are very different and have very different units. Say for example you had an army that had like three units and they were all around good. That army when compared to another army that had a lot of units who were situationally very good could yield them being very similarly balanced. Unfortunately, when played the players that play the first army would be able to pull out victories that the second army would have lost because there was a lot more room for error.
>>94670025Lamentersanon is fighting his past self.
>>94669649To be fair, even that is less wolfy and autistic than the flanderization we've gotten 2010 onward.It's basically just a SW with a wolf helmet and a teeth necklace and the "tail" on the bolt pistol.I don't like the helmet but the over all model is much more subdued than what GW would do nowadays.If this model was made in 2010/today GW it'd look like pic related.
>>94670060this is why you track the ELO and do 1 billijion sims
How much Imperial Guard is too much Imperial Guard?
>>94669952>Would Slaanesh be 'nicer' to Eldar who worship it?It's less "elven worshippers of slaanesh happen to get what they want" and more "elven worshippers of slaanesh happen to want what they get".And depending on the point of view, getting tortured for all eternity is akin to getting blessed ror all eternity, while getting devoured and becoming part of slaanesh can be akin to getting devoured and becoming a demon of slaanesh.
>>94670041It's a good thing 40k isn't balanced this way, then. Custodes won the largest tournament of the year despite being a ~49% WR army overall.Ultramarines top 4'd despite being not much better.More to the point, it's hard to account for every possibility when you have so many options players can use and different mission sets. The Ritual, particularly, adds a whole lot of unpredictability with the players placing their own objectives.
>>94670063you just remade ragnar blackmane but will a helmet and exotic gun.also a 2nd edition model btw.
>>94669317This is just sad at this point
>>94670081>Daemons of Slaanesh in 40k are the souls of Eldar who either willingly allowed Slaanesh to devour them and have been rewarded with terrible powers and sensations, or are the unwilling souls so twisted and broken by their torture that they've become blind to everything except suffering, spawning as wretched lesser daemons>Killing one simply sends it back go Slaanesh's "loving" embrace
>>94670036When DE work with and betray normal people, the risk is relatively low for them. If things go poorly, their haemonculus will revive them. If things go poorly with EC, they might get consumed by Slaanesh on the spot. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to team up, but the circumstances in which an archon would take that risk are rare.
>>94670097>>Daemons of Slaanesh in 40k are the souls of EldarThat was suggested to be the canon at one point, but I don't remember where so I might be conflating someone's headcanon or hearsay, in any case I'm already counting it as canon.btw both willing and unwilling elves, the ones that give themselves willingly just get a higher job if they are valuable enough.
>>94670108If DE wanted a risk free life they would go live on a maiden world or hop onto a craftworld and beg for a soulstone.
>>94670073If you are going to track the ELO then you really don't need the simulation part . . . Players who are very good can already do something very similar just through their experience and you could just copy their list and playstyle - which is what a lot of people do. All a simulation is going to do is tell you which list would be best played by a computer against a computer. Even factoring in ELO to skew the numbers in favor of the armies that are winning the most often you are not going to go and beat someone who is actually good at the game by using a list and following the instructions it provides.
>sub 50wr army won tournament therefore 'best army' is meaninglessgoing to gouge my eyes out lol
>>94669539>I collect ec>posts 350pts of grey/half painted trashThis is not an army, this is just some models on a shelf
I think Deldar not worshipping Slaanesh despite being the way they are is cool and good enough. It's ironic and hypocritical, but makes sense and that's the point.But we should get a Kill Team of Eldar Croneworlders with Nurglite, Khornite, Tzeentchian and Undivided (save for Slaanesh, make their Chaos Star lack one arrow) dedicated space elves. Maybe even dedicated to some other minor powers do something with Vashtorr already The point of worshipping other Chaos Gods is of course that Nurgle for an example will protect your soul from Slaanesh if you pledge yourself to him
>>94670108>haemonculi>low risk
>>94670123the elo is how you find the best overall list, but yes at the end of the day a human still has to pilot but if you find out an outlier list with like 500 elo above anything else, a mid tier player could probably beat a pro. also allows for creation of counter lists if your local meta has 6 dark angels players
>>94670055There are more possible moves in 40k than stars in the universe
>>94670093This is much less busy than the thing I made.
>>94669269>How are they going to show 'sex' on the battlefield anyway?
>>94669838Actual retard located
>>94669890>black libraryYuck, noncanon
>>94670128Nobody is saying deldar shouldn't have an opposition with slaanesh at all, just that they look so close that's it dumb for there to not be one exception to the general rule that allows people to field degenerate elves alongside degeneate marines.>Kill Team of Eldar Croneworlders with Nurglite, Khornite, Tzeentchian and Undividedthat's dumb
>>94669838Anon, do you think africans have brown blood?
>>94670122Dark eldar take calculated risks. They don't recklessly court danger. I'd also wager that Vect would kill any archon found to be working alongside Slaanesh. There could be an interesting story written about it or some cool /yourdudes/, but I don't see there ever being a real sub-faction.
>>94669921I like his fancy hat
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>94670141sure, and then you prune all negative EV moves lol
>>94670134>a mid tier player could probably beat a proNot by having a "better" list they couldn't. By having much better rolls or by being a hard counter to that particular list they are running maybe, but not because of their list. It is a pretty easy experiment to prove, just find the best player you can and have them play your army while you play theirs.
>>94670175Thank you DE-poster. We'll will it into existence.
I'm gonna borrow a 3d printer this weekend, some basic Creality Ender thing. Thinking of printing some buildings for playing combat patrol and this sounds like a decent deal for only $10. I'm super new but I think I also need something for the deployment that will block the view entirely, what would be a good option for that?Anything else you'd recommend besides terrain for a new player such as objective markers?
>>94669265Go for Steel Legion esque models if you're going to be a printfag. Fallschirmjäger are available for WW2 wargames, I'm sure, so print some bodies from those and find some sort of lasgun carbine looking weapon for your basic troops, and of course add some IG-esque bitz to them. Hell, 3D sculpt your own guys using Fallschirmjäger as inspiration (like the Steel Legion are/were) and that way you won't be beholden to whatever is just there already. Sure, it'll be more effort but we all know we're going to see more NuKrieg soon, which is going to be shit because the NuKrieg look like shit compared to the FW models.
>>94670113>btw both willing and unwilling elves, the ones that give themselves willingly just get a higher job if they are valuable enough.Essentially yes.>Be Eldar during the Fall>Revel in the abject excess and depravity>Become the leader of your own personal cult, fully embracing the coming apotheosis>You and your followers gladly get eaten, then Slaanesh spits you back out as Daemonettes so you can spread pain and decadence for a whileAs opposed to>Be Craftworlder>Die and get your Spirit Stone broken>Get swallowed by Slaanesh, miserable and lamenting about how horrible your fate is>After 100 years of varying tortures, Slaanesh spits out your deformed soul as a Seeker to act as a beast of burden for his followers>When you eventually die you're going right back to the abject torment, where it'll be fresh and horrific all over again
>>94670124That's not what I said. I said 40k isn't balanced around the top 1% of tournament players (I.E. the players that got invited to this tourney by winning other GT's). The guy that won the most competitive tourney of the year played a detachment nobody used in an army with a sub-50% overall WR. The overall WR indicates how well "average" players do. The winner was able to utilize the army better than anyone else can and win. If he thought other armies could do better, he probably would've picked them.Pretty sure the "Best Armies" of 2024 were TS and IG, with ~55% WR's and yet TS didn't even top 4.>>94670131Lower risk than the 100% certainty of having your soul eaten.
>>94669976>slaaneshfag shaking and crying that noone is discussing his literally who factionIronic that you mention eldar and haven't realized EC are just as unpopular as eldar
>>94670062This is truly deranged at this point
>>94670182i dont get your point, the pro would be better with the better list? okay? 500 elo gap is a canyon and would be enough to level the field against a pro, unless you are suggesting that a pro could never lose to a mid tier player unless they just rolled only 6s
>>94670143No it isn't
So does everyone kind of just ignore the part of the Horus Heresy End and the Death where they said Slaanesh ascended the same way the Emperor almost did and that he/she might have been a mortal elf at one point?
>>94669890Fuck on Destinyfag author.
>>94670186Maybe some basing bits? Little rocks, plants, skulls, flagpoles, etc
>>94670143You sure? look at the similarity the moment I slap on them the differences I highlighted (helmet and exotic gun).They look like brothers separated at birth:They both have wolf-packbacks, wolf pauldrons, wolf cape, wolf pelt, wolf banner, wolf sword, wolf tails, wolf trinkets, wolf belt, and wolf boots.
>>94670224>So does everyone kind of just ignore the part of the Horus HeresyYes.
>>94670224Nobody cares about slaanesh
>>94670224>So does everyone kind of just ignore the part of the Horus Heresyyes
>>94670197top 4 is misleading because you need to look at player population.ultramarines did 'well' because theres probably 200000 players lol. anti meta shot calling is absolutely a thing too
>>94670224Dunno, go ask /hhg/
>>94670224>does everyone kind of just ignore the part of the Horus Heresy End and the DeathNo I choose to ignore the whole book alongside any other black library sloppa
So which of the Grotmas Detachments ended up actually being competitively viable?
>>94670218I am saying that a pro playing a mid-tier player's list would beat a mid-tier player playing a pro's list. Maybe not every single time, but the vast majority of the time. Even if we were to use your 500 elo gap example, the person playing the 2k elo list can lose to the person playing the 1.5k elo ist if they are a 1.5k player while playing against a 2k player. Somehow making a 2.5k list would not allow a 1.5k player to beat a 2k player with them having a 2k list unless it was through dumb luck.
>>94670229>>94670238>>94670247>>94670226Samefag and spam less.
>>94670224Most warmham players are too PC/prudish to explore the lore of Slaanesh.
>>94669280Instead of bloodletters, they have eight men inside of them at any given moment. The models are going to be obscenely detailed.
>>94670168I disagree with your absolutes.
>>94669521They're clearly using all the good ideas for Necromunda when it comes to the notSquats for 40k. Specialist Games suffers in other ways but Necromunda is Andy Hoare's favorite thing, apparently. Maximum effort, at least on the miniature side, is put towards Necromunda. With that being said, what could Votann even get in 40k? Their basic troops are seemingly done (and mostly look like shit save for the Hearthkyn or whatever the regular, basic unit is called but I think that's it) and the vehicles are pretty much abortions. The only thing that could be done is to copy Necromunda's Ironhead stuff like the tank/IFV but we know 40k proper won't have that kind of thing. I'd imagine that Votann will just get more characters and Special Characters™ because that's how the board game is now. Why have anything interesting when you could just mash it all into one box of 10 guys and have your Special Characters™ give a +1/-1 buff to [something]. I know miniatures are designed first and then the rules and fluff follow, but when the core rules are boring and shitty and no faction has a real identity anymore because BALANCE™ is necessary which means they all have to do the same, boring thing (or have maybe two or three options for each that are, again, the same, boring thing) then there isn't much to be done. Plus, with the inter-department "rivalry" there won't be any mixing of the two ideas for NuSquats.
>>94670224>So does everyone kind of just ignore the part of the Horus HeresyYes
>>94670264That's fine, this is the way I view DE. What would a combined DE/EC faction look like to you?
>>94670253lol, schizo
>>94669316I didn't like these at first, but the more I see em, there's just something about two Marines and a gun with a rocket strapped to their chairs that looks awesome. I might have to print one up at some point, looks dope so far.
>>94670262Holy cope lmao. It has nothing to do with them being yucky/horny/non pc, it's because they have never done anything interesting with the concept
>>94670252if 2k fights a 1.5k elo, the expected wr of the 1.5k is like 5%, assume that the pro 'keeps' all of the 1.5k elo value of the army and the mid player loses 500 elo of his army, this places them at 50/50. You would also need to be absolute shit to lose 500 elo just straight up.
>>94670080Platoons, my beloved. Come back.
Where does a new Space Marine chapter get it's starting personnel?
>>94670275Just ignore him anon, anytime he feels like he's losing an argument he cries samefag or picks his poopdickschizo of the month to blame.
>>94670224Yes because thats retardedThe war in heaven and the fall of the human federation were even worse e vents and didn't spawn a god.
>>94670063Cool praetor, when's it drop?
>>94670291From the space marine dimension.
How Mary Sue would it be to claim /mydudes/ are under the command of a chaos worshipping Rogue Trader? Is it Chaos Sisters tier?
>>94670291New chapters are founded by decree of terra, so they get staff, machinery and ships
>>94670226>Destinyfag author.
>>94670291From their progenitors chapter.
I wonder if, since Fulgrim will have a model that GW could actually advertise in lore that they would actually follow up on the thread of Gulliman getting his shit rocked by Fulgrim and have a rivalry there. Though if GW was really bold they’d have Fulgrim fight Eldar primarily to advertise their new line.
>>94670274I was never suggesting a new range, just rules to field the existing dark eldar units in a slaanesh army, like genecultists can field imperial guard units.So they would look like dark eldar already do but with a slaaneshi colour scheme and perhaps some conversions for icons/banners and kitbashes with demons.
>>94670302Sounds awful and about the same level of garbage as chaos sisters
>>94670262It's partially this>>94670285And this.GW historically has been scared to do anything with Slaanesh, probably because they don't want to scare parents off from buying models for their kids. I think they stopped thinking like that when they started doing new Slaanesh stuff for AoS.That said it's still kind of mediocre without a whole lot of interesting model variety, which IMO Nurgle and Khorne are equally guilty of, at least when it comes to Daemons.
>>94670228>no necklace>no loincloth>no helmetIt is not as busy.
>>94670310You don't get primarch face-offs with characters noone cares about
>>94670291It’s usually manufactured by a forge world as part of the founding under order from the Lords of Terra.
>>94670310Nothing is going to happen.Remember when the lion was meant to do shit? There's not even a campaign book in the pipeline.
When piling in or consolidating can models move around the sides to potentially get into combat with more models or no because they might be moving farther away from the closest enemy model? Can the second rank models that can fight move around the sides to make room for the third rank? Only if they can end their move in base to base or even if that's not the case? Can the third rank guys move around?
>>94670286I have no idea what you are talking about, can you un-zoomer this for me?
>>94670321You can only pile in so far, so the first rank models are the ones that go around.
>>94670321Yes
>>94670316>cope>cope>cope
>>94670322Just Google the world elo and if you can't understand it at that point then no amount of paraphrasing was ever going to help you understand anyways grandpa
>>94670329>>94670331I thought if a model was already in base to base then it can't move any more.
>>94670316>>94670334Are you two really trying to start an argument over something that isn't real? You guys are fucking losers dude
>>94670340Maybe
>>94670341I know you are but what am I
>>94670322given: two armies simed against each other with every possibility gives one army a 95% wr, thus the other 5%. if a pro player uses the 5% army and a mid tier player uses the 95wr army, the mid tier player would still be heavily favored to win. In order for the wr to reach parity, the mid tier player would have to extremely bad (which wouldnt make them mid) a 500 elo gap is huge
>calls elo zoomerare you like 500 years old by any chance
I should hold off on buying Eldar minis until their lineup gets updated properly in 2025, right?
>>94669269I want drillshaped cod pieces
>>94670354I mean they already have a bunch of other updated models, and most of what's getting updated is either sold out or not even for sale currently
>>94670264Only the Sith deal in absolutes.Dark Eldar are literally Sith.
>>94670343An autist.
>>94670354You should hold off on buying eldar minis until they become space marines
>>94670338I know what ELO is, but you have created a zoomer word salad to try to explain something that clearly you barely understand lol. Everything after "5%" is practically gibberish.
>>94670360I want cod shaped drill pieces
>>94670168You mean other than the Thirteen Scars working with Bile and Lucius doing whatever he did with the wychcult?
>>94670367But anon, people kept telling me Space Marines are becoming Eldar?
>>94670340Yeah that's correct, my bad.I only looked at the thumbnail and assumed you didn't draw them all in base contact.That said, this is why you shouldn't have your melee dudes in deep ranks- the guys in the back don't get to attack at all.
>>94670312Someone here has posted Purple/Gold DEldar before that I immediately thought looked like Slaaneshi Eldar.
>>94669592You stupid dipshits who whine about "muh nordic!" don't know shit about the Nordic cultures who were just as much "wolf-this, wolf-that" as Space Wolves.
>>94670369Every word aside from elo is a real word. If the issue was that you can't read English you should have said so, it doesn't have anything to do with the fact you are gross and old
>>94669264Can you post the original?
>>94670316the helmet still comes from 2nd edition and I pointed out how that was the main difference, and if the straw that breaks the camel's back is a loincloth or a necklace of teeth hanging over the chest then I'm going to say your camel was a nonsensical abortion to begin with.Because as it stands you're currently arguing that the marine in the top right is too much because he's got a busy chest and a loincloth; on top of pretending that the one in the bottom left doesn't look like ragnar or that the one in the top right is suddenly acceptable because it doesn't have the necklace and loincloth.Dying on that hill is way more retarded than simply accepting that space wolves were a joke since the start.
>>94670379>it's purple so it's chaos!1!11You are mentally weak
>>94670363Ah okay, so this and the Wraithknight are the new ones then and buyable without any problems.
Have you tried any of the Grotmas detachments? If so, how did it go? If not, which one are you excited to try out?I for one want to try out the Ork one.
>>94670312That'd be neat. The detachment system could support something like that. What's the fluff there? Corrupted DE? Temporary alliance of convenience?
>>94670388>or that the one in the top right is suddenlybottom right
>>94670388Shut the fuck up you faggot, noone cares about your macaroni picture you made in paint. Stop trying to make an argument over nothing
>>94670391Correct.Those, Banshees, Dark Reapers, Rangers, Shining Spears, Wraithguard/blades, Shroud Runners, Warlocks, and the Autarchs are all modern sculpts. Dire Avengers are older sculpts with a newer release and thus aren't likely to get updates soon.Falcons, Fire Prisms, and Wave Serpents are old but gold.
>>94670345Where are you getting these numbers from? It can't be reality because the variance between lists played by 1.5k players and 2k players is not that large. Yeah maybe a person completely new to the hobby would make a list that would win 1 time in 20 even if played by an expert, but most competitive lists for a given detachment vary only slightly. >I am using English words so being nonsensical must be because you are a boomerOr you know, you suck at explaining your point? Why not just post some excerpt from Finnegan's Wake to make your point and claim that anyone who doesn't understand what you are trying to say is dumb?
>>94670371Seems a bit fishy but I'll allow it
>>94670408how would you feel if you didnt eat breakfast this morning?
>>94670411
So i have the base Indomitus set, & i want to get at least a squad of new Terminators. What else should I think about adding to my shitty list?
>>94670408>Where are you getting these numbers fromgiven
>>94670413About as well as you had the self awareness to realize you suck at making a case for your stance, empty and weak.
>>946704202000pts of dreadnoughts
>>94670305Yes but from where? If they make UM successor do they request some Ultras to be chapter master and trainers etc.?
>>94670432>Old fart march
>>94670408Once again, I don't think the issue is you're old, I think the issue is that you're retarded and can't read. Which is further proven by the fact that you've mentioned being a boomer again despite noone mentioning your age besides you
>>94670438buddy they just come from IoM G1 lol
>>94670432It is 1960 points, still has points to buy an enhacement, like fire discipline, WTF?
>>94670438The first batch of chapter command are usually donated from whatever chapter the geneseed is provided from. The first 1000 regular marines are made from hypno indoctrinated recruits under the supervision of that cadre of initial officers. Geneseed replication is a confirmed process forgeworlds can do where they implant it into servitors over a few decades to a century and cut it out repeatedly until there’s enough.
>>94670432Based
>>94670443Literally only said boomer once in any of my posts and that was because you called me grandpa lol. You are the one who clearly has reading comprehension issues. You also have a deep and profound misunderstanding of list building and how skill works, though given the first I find this unsurprising.
>profound misunderstanding of how skill works>confused about elo
>>94670471>projection + still seething over being called oldPottery
>>94670388
It just occured to me that the dichotomy exists of Krorks (and thus Orks) are creatures made of the earth, hardy and born from soil, while Eldar are creatures of air, agile and constantly in motion.Thus the creations of the Old Ones are beautiful in even deeper ways
surprised someone so old even found their way onto the internet
>>94670475>assume that the pro 'keeps' all of the 1.5k elo value of the army and the mid player loses 500 elo of his army, this places them at 50/50>y u no understand this dummyYou clearly misunderstand that it is the player and not the list that has ELO, so in no scenario would a player lose "500 elo of his army". You can't just use the word assume to make your case, it is lazy and if your response on being questioned on it is to spout off about everyone else is retarded fails to make your case.>>94670477What are you even going on about? I could give a shit if you think I am old. You are just deflecting because you have yet to make a coherent argument that isn't just a half dozen strawmen>>94670525Who is seething now lol, three posts back to back?
>>94670529>You clearly misunderstand that it is the player and not the list that has ELOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
>>94670402Accept that space wolves were cancer since the start or you shut up.
>>94670529The fact that you think every post calling you out for being old and retarded is the same person proves that you are both old and retarded
>>94670432I just want to round out what I already have, but that is pretty hilarious. Lmao.
>>94670319As far as I know, the Lion also didn’t have a rivalry or conflict with a Traitor Primarch that had a spotlight shone on it in 40k like Fulgrim and Gulliman in Dark Imperium’s opening. Though I suppose matching your cynicism would help avoid future disappointment lmao.
>>94670491They made plenty of shit along the way, I don't think they were thinking about the balance of the elements every time.
>>94670048>GSCYou utter brainlet. GSC's range is, like many, made up mostly of 2 large releases years apart. All of this information is available online.
>>94670432I came up with something similar, but at least my way can have a dreadnought as Warlord.Iron Priest just there to hump his leg and keep him healed.
Are the first floor of your buildings covered for blocking the line of sight in your games? What's the general consensus?In this game I played with one gentleman, the floors indicated ruins where it provided cover if a unit was inside it but it blocked vision otherwise. It made sense and was easier to play.
>>94670553The lion had to resolve the plotline with cypher.Guess what he didn't do.
>>94670560to be fair that's one unit, one vehicle, a multipart kit for what already existed as ETB models, and then all heroes.
>>94669965There's orders of magnitudes more degrees of freedom in warhammer than in solved games like Chess or Go
>>94670573see>>94670181
>>94670537A list cannot have ELO. The only way a list can have ELO is if you assume every list is piloted by a 3k ELO golden god that never makes mistakes and always rolls at least average. This does not happen. A list cannot have inherent skill because it doesn't play the game or make gameplay decisions. The player does that.
Why are you all so opposed to keeping some of the mystery alive in the setting?
>>94670128I just noticed this inquisitor is wearing a Harlequin Kiss.>>94670563It depends, if we only have terrain with open windows we use closed first floors, otherwise we use closed windows close to deployment and play normally otherwise.Unless it's a tournament, where we do full TLS
>>94670579>Wherever I am, I must also consoomnot me though
>>94670563>no wheels on Goliath):<
>want to build some models for christmas>Dont have any primer>All stores are closed for the week here.Damn dude.>Captcha : MadkyYou bet im madky
>a poker hand cant have an elo/ev only the playergramps hitting the bottle again
>>94670579Literally who and what are you talking about rn.
If Know No Fear is a hypno-behavioral response in Astartes rather than an organ or something else unique, than it should be a technique Imperial Guard are taught as well.
This threads stupid post dwarves
>>94670604>posting boring artwhy not post the cool dwarf models you've painted up?
>>94670608Because I haven't bought any retard
>>94670560>>94670043Thousand Sons is a much fairer example, though my friend who plays them says he's not even sure what another wave of them would be, they really just need a psychic dreadnought. But I think the real solution will come when they reveal that all the chaos marine factions will have their aligned demons rolled into their codex this edition. >>94670572I mean, it added the fast attack options the army needed, thus fleshing out the range. I'm not saying it's earthshattering, but it IS a second wave that fills out the other roles they needed.
>>94670586Primer isn't necessary for building models, only painting. You can still stick your guys together without it
>>94670563Goliath Rockgrinder, no wheels, no weapons, no Drilldozer
Paraiah nexus has too much cover.There, I said it. We need less cover.
>>94670615Forgot my image. Thousand Sons did get a couple new options (like GSC, they got fast attack) in the form of Tzangors on disks, plus the on-foot option. But definitely much less than others.
>>94670584>>94670617It was taken way before, it's almost done now. Tried painting the hazard stripes free hand and they were ass so probably going to redo it. I still haven't attached the grinder to the main-chassis for that reason. Just got very little-work otherwise.>>94670580What's a TLS?
>>94670616I tend to use a lot of subassemblies to make my painting job easier, so its not so much "build" as "clip bits off the sprue and stick some together."
>>94670625>posts coldest take of all time
>>94670591>look I made a faulty analogy! That will show you!A more accurate comparison would be saying a deck of cards can't have an ELO. An entire game of poker is not made up of a single hand drawn by each player retard.
>>94670631>What's TLS True line of sight, presumably. I usually see it written as TLoS
>>94670625>the game needs to be even MORE lethal
>>94670655Some vehicles just cannot function in PN because they're too thick to fit between all the cover. It's absurd.
>>94670631Are you planning to use that hatch as a marker for cult ambush? If so that's really cool. I have one kicking around, I should paint it upFreehanding the dozer blade sounds rough. I got a spray template off Etsy, which worked well for mine, but you could also probably tape it off. They sell small masking tape rolls for Gundam kits, and I've had good results using those for other kits.
>>94670643Thanks, I'm not too familiar with how the game is being played still. I've yet to play with other people at the LGS as I don't have 1000pts assembled just of yet, just combat patrols with the two friends who also got one. This one was the very first game I played with someone else, which also was a smaller combat patrol.
>>94670591https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_systemA poker hand can't have an Elo because it's not a player. It's not participating in a tournament against other players.A poker hand can have a win probability but that's not Elo. That's a rating of the strength of the hand against the hands of the other players. For example, a 3 and a 4 is a pretty weak hand, but if the dealer cards are a 5,6,7, then it becomes much stronger. Even if that doesn't happen, a brave player could still bluff and win the pot with that hand. It's once again a question of player skill.
>>94670667Here's a crazy idea dude.Maybe, just maybe, get a bigger gaming table and spread the terrain further apart.
>page 4I see a Slaanesh related OP for an early new thread in our very near future
>>94670680>I've never played a game of PN in my life: the post
>>94670637and you dont change units mid game. a mid poker player with pocket aces will win most of the time against negreanu with 27o
>>94670008>ynnari fans. You mean all two of them?>>94670017Sure but I’ll never paint more than maybe a single marine for each. >2nd primarch: Hypnos of the Dream WardensAstropath primarch with 3 eyes and purple skin. Similar to magnus, but more hippy. He’s a pacifist and his marines preferred nonlethal combat using sleeping gas to subdue enemies and brainwashing them into the imperium’s fold. Big E didn’t like having a mutant pacifist around, even if it is his son>11th primarch: Amarok the Impaler of the Black OrcasPrimarch found of oceanic daemon world with people living on floating islands hunting massive corrupted beasts. Primarch used a big ass spear and his legion were expert marksmen, preferring advanced harpoons to stab the enemy from affairs and pull them close to the kill. Amarok was corrupted by khorne before even being found so got deleted to stop his siblings from getting wind of the gods
>>94670608Not him but here's my latest.I'll have more soon, I'm meeting some buddies tomorrow to get a big painting session in together.
>>94670667For the most part GW terrain is not supposed to block vehicles from moving down the board. Maybe space it a bit further apart or talk to your opponent about it
>>94670676>That's a rating of the strength of the hand against the hands of the other playerswhat the fuck do you think elo is? did you read the wiki article?
>>94670680If you do this you're no longer doing matched play, which is fine, but shouldn't be the only solution to "PN doesn't allow me to roll vehicles wherever I want."Personally I want to tell dudes that bring 6+ tanks to games to deal with it. I don't care how hard it is to move around the map for you. The map is closed in for a reason; that reason is how overall strong vehicles are.
>>94670695It's mainly the wide, chunky things like Landraiders or the RepEx
>>94670694These fucking suck
>>94670671I received two of them as a gift from a guy at my LGS, he really carries the local 40K scene from what I can tell. And yes, they are TMNT style cult-ambush markers.That's a very good looking goliath anon, the weathering effect looks dope.
>>94670711post models
>>94670711Aren't we chipper today?
>>94670685>>94670705>but matched playAnd there is your problem.As soon as you stop playing the dogshit corporate approved garbage designed by committee and by rules writers who don't even play this god forsaken game, then you will have a great 40k experience.
>>94670688You literally can though. The use of stratagems that bring units back, reserves that you have been saving, and a variety of other things will substantially change what units you have available later on. Even without those things, due to luck what units you have on turn two can be drastically different than what is predicted (in either direction). You example is akin to a single turn of a player rolling very well. A mid player can score more victory points than normal if they have really good dice rolls but that doesn't mean they are going to win the game.
>>94670722>PN has this problem>lol just do play it xDDDthat's not a solution, that's avoiding a solution
>>94670722ok grandpa
>>94670726>you can change units>strategem to bring back units and deep strikenone of those units are 'changed' lol, those are all on the army list lmfao
>magnus carlsen can win with just a pawn and king because he has much better eloJUST STOP
>>94670563Standard game rules: no first floor windows, footprint blocks line of sight. Otherwise TLOS.
Why are first floor windows so important when footprints already block LoS?
>>94670729It is a solution.This is like saying you hate swimming in cold water and instead of getting out and stopping, you just keep jumping into the cold pool at every opportunity like a dumbass and continue to complain.
>>94670766If you’re in the terrain you can be seen through the windows, and if you’re partially in the footprint but not entirely you can be seen but can’t see out. Footprint blocks line of sight to things BEHIND it.
i just hate the middle parts of boards with 4 stupid micro-pieces of terrain. It makes LoS super annoying. Just put 1 or two bigger piecesin there
>>94670776I know but why is that so necessary, it only affords some extra space.
>>94670766If you have windows, infantry in ruins become much stronger. Without windows, ruins are just a spot for infantry to stage before charging.
>>946707933 inches can matter a lot anon, just ask your mom. It’s the difference between a 9 and a 6 inch charge.
>>94670776what if I'm partially in the footprint but I'm a vehicle
>>94670796>Much weakerFTFY. If you can see it you can kill it. Windows are just a way to get wiped out before doing anything.
>>94670812Then you can be seen but can’t see out of it, unless part of the vehicle sticks around the edge of the terrain footprint and can draw LOS to a target.
Have you done any painting over Christmas /40kg/? I'm nearly done with this guy, gotta do the black and figure out yet another mutated ass shoulderpad.
>>94670827Been so sick all I’ve managed to do was some highlights on m’crisis suit.
>>94670630hand-me-down stuff from aos hardly counts
>>94670827No painting since family was over, but got a new paint stand to work with.
>>94670793Anons never played a melee army
>>94670854>>94670810>>94670796If Melee armies required the extra charge distance why doesn't GW give them an extra charge die instead?
>>94670865It's not that melee armies need the distance it's that they need to be able to stage without getting shot off the board
>>94670871I think at this point anon is shitposting.
>>9467087130 terminators solves this problem
>>94670873No I'm genuinely wondering why GW would leave this to the players when they already give out maps with very detailed layouts in the name of "balance"
>>94670883Because most terrain you can buy was made when terrain rules were different.
>>94669203Looking at the thumbnail, at first I thought he had a lav mic like he was Billy Mays trying to sell us flex seal
Is there anything more infuriating than failing a 4 inch charge with a reroll?
>>94669253Phaeron will agree with this
>>94671025Failing 3 of them in a row.
>>94670827I finished the new Breaka Boyz unit on Christmas day. They'll be on the table for a game this Saturday.
new >>94671047>>94671047>>94671047ones
>>94670827I have ten death company mostly done now. Just final highlights and cleaning.
>>94670827I finished my 7th & 8th cadian infantry squad. No more basic cadians to paint.Also a pair of necron heavy destroyers.
