Oculus Edition>Bans (new)https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-december-16-2024>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: Standard at Magic's Spotlight Serieshttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-standard-at-magics-spotlight-series>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously>>94673795>TQFavorite 5/5 creature?
dumb tq
>tqthe strongest 5/5 in pioneer
>>94693047tq
>>94693112that's not a creature that's a sorcery with buyback 0
>tap my mazemind tome to draw its 4th card>trigger goes on the stack to exile it>hold priority, sacrifice it to bargain a torch the tower...why don't I see anyone else ever do thisI definitely needed to kill a 3/3 way more than I needed 4 life
>>94693047>TQ
>>94693353way to spend 6 mana to get me to spend 1 mana
>>94693047>>94693095yeah kinda, but 5/5 used to be a rare and cool size
I wish combo fags would just quit and play yu gi oh instead
>>94693542lmaoing @ ur life
>>94693047>tqI used to love this bitch
>>94693568MDFC lands were a mistake
>>94693047>TQThe OG
>>94693645that's a 12/5
>>94693615I don't disagree but the deck did exist before they - and Thassa's oracle - were printed
>Sitting here waiting for boosters to arrive by post I just want to open packs and be disappointed come on already
>Local modern scene getting better turnout post ban, from 3-4 players back up to 10+>New guy shows up, just moved to town & seems nice enough, doesn't know some of the rules but whatever>Later he complains that everyone was netdecking, saying everybody back at his old lgs played kitchen table>Shows me a picture on his phone, literally 100+ decks>MFW he was playing stock dredge with some Bloodghasts to "Make it his own"
>>94693784>Later he complains that everyone was netdeckingIs this not why Draft exists. Why not just ask people if they wanted to play that but shuffle a big deck someone brought.
>>94693784In early 2014 I traveled to a neighboring country to visit family friends and played FNM standard while I was there with my RDW-Devotion deck. Many of the people there didn't seem to know basic rules and were playing kitchen table plus and I felt bad.
>>94693784wait, dredge no longer plays bloodghast?
>>94693855the dredge guy plays ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzPeLQEqIp4he hasn't updated this list yet thought, it's a week old
Whos excited for pic related?I cant wait to cast Murder on Spiderman and that faggot Cloud from Final Fantasy.
>>94694455the fuck is edge of eternities?
>>94694460It's a set.
>>94694460It's the first official Ayy Lmao setAt least I hope soI'm afraid it's going to be more buzz lighter space rangers and faggy muppet looking star wars type aliens instead.....
>>94694496Disregard this post, faggy muppet looking star wars type aliens would be an excellent aesthetic for a magic set.
>>94694533we have those at home
>>94694496Man I'd play exclusively Gray tribal if they made it an archetype.
This isn't a reprint? This is a new card? Why Chandra look so ugly in Aetherdrift then?
>The reason Bloomburrow was the most successful set this year was due to WotC unable to diversify it as it was strictly animalsI genuinely wonder if this pissed off WotC.
>>94694588
>>94694865Because the Art director's are different people.See pic rel
>>94694455I can only imagine how badly they can screw up Tarkir and Lorwyn. I also can't believe they pushed back Lorwyn to 2026.If all 3 or 2 if the UB sets bomb hard, will they abandon the UB idea or limit it?
Sylvan Library in RUG Delver Y/N and why?
>>94694886So basically the only good Magic set is probably gonna be Tarkir
>>94694895Likely so, and here is the credits for the person he is co-directing the art for the space set with.
>>94694455
>>94694455Why Final Fantasy? Should've chosen something like Genshin Impact instead.
>>94695058Because UB sets and cards are not equitable partnerships, UB content is Wizards begging to whatever semi-popular IP they can get their hands on so that they can purchase the rights to use the IP for a set.Its worth it on Wizards end but they are spending money for the rights and so things that are new and vital don't get play.That's why they are printing cards from stuff like LotR, Stranger Things and AC, older brands that are either open to cameo content due to their long existence or are lacking the mainstream appeal. Its why every single one of the UB IP's are over the hill in some form or another.Wizards doesn't have Genshin Money nor the prestige or connections.Hell the entire history of Wizards has been them squandering the IP power they have had themselves until it was to late.
>>94694455>Half the sets of next year are not Magic related>There is no format to scape UB shit anymoreWotC and their Hasbro overlords truly are master evil faggots. Fuck this shit.
Just checking in. Did Twin really fail to make any impact?
What other Gearhulks you expect? Also can this one be playable?
>>94694455And I thought it can't be worse than 2024...
>>94694455>>94695203Now we miss Fedoras and Cowboys hats, uh? Who would tell 2025 will be an absolute ass of a year.
>>94695058Hoyo or whatever the company that owns Genshin is called could probably bankrupt WotC by releasing it's own TCG.
>>94695218>Now we miss Fedoras and Cowboys hats, uh?NoJust because things got worse doesn't mean I'm suddenly pining for dogshitThere was NOTHING this year that excited me even slightly and some of the most egregious attacks on the IP's identity were rolled out in 2024. Crowding in Mouseslop is just packing shit in the gaping wound.
>>94695218i'm not missing cowboys and detectives but the truth is i will miss this year, specially by the fact i just had to deal with 4 sets and next year i will have to deal with 6 fucking sets, completely unaffordable for anyone with a normal income.that and the fact half the next year sets are not real magic to me and it makes me really mad to have spiderman, mary jane, cloud and sephirort in standard and pioneer too. i was good with ub being just a modern/commander thing.
>>94695275I'm deeply afraid that making UB standard legal is going to be seen as a Chronicles-tier fuckup in the next few years, with a similarly sized overcorrection. I accepted the cardboard funko pops as a necessary evil if they just wanted to make themed EDH decks but making it so that everyone is going to have to play around the Krusty Krab World Enchantment is just lighting the goodwill of the enfranchised playerbase on fire.
>>94695303According to Mark its the enfranchised players (Commander) that want this stuff.
>>94695303Chronicles was great because it was a reprint set that made the game cheaper. UB is just gay.
>>94695220it's joever anon
>>94695381This is what zoomers crave
>People are unironically roping and salty-scooping to Bogles in PioneerWhy? It's as fair as any deck can be nowadays. Why is t1 Scout breaking minds so easily?
>>94695556List?
>>94695558Nothing fancy, your basic-bitch Selesnya poorfag Auras with Skrelv, Sram, Light-paws and Scout. I don't even play Mana Confluence since I want the digital deck to be an exact copy of my future paper deck.
>Have more fun stacking than playing I might have autism
>>94695563If your playing on arena then its because Area incentivizes conceding any match you are absolutely clear to win.If your playing on Modo then its likely just because the lions share of the format is RB Aggro and midrance decks that rely on a metric fuck ton of removal combined with killing in 1-2 real important terms.So when a play see that they can't deal with your shit the automatic conclusion is that your going to bullshit out a win since they cannot stop you.
>>94695580*Absolutely not clear
>>94694890I guess you can run one copy in the sideboard for slow matchups, I think questing druid is better in the maindeck>>94695198yes, there's like two or three challenge top8s and thirty or so 5-0 finishes so far, which isn't a lot given how much modern people are playing, it's essentially a mid tier 3 deck if we are being generous >>94695199the fact that this can search both sigarda's aid and hammer makes me think it might be good enough to rekindle some interest in pioneer hammer but you'll have to redesign the deck to be selesnya since the most popular versions are either boros or mono white with a very low curve
>>94694588>no lox type
Heckin' love cards that just completely nullifies a game and makes a player win the game just by playing it. It's so hecking fun and fireino that they make these cards! Certainly makes me want to play the game again.Seriously though, drown whole of design team in their funko pop edh bullshit.
>>94693794Netdecking is literally worse in the draft scene.
>>94696171Is it the creators job to limit creativity or the players job to not abuse it. I would argue let them make any card they want, and ban anything thats ridiculous.
>>94696199Why would people kill their own fun like that
>>94695264Bloomburrow was good thematically, but poorly mechanically designed, duskmourne was a decent limited environment but a hated the narrative and art direction. OTJ was trash. Foundations was ok. Another good jumpstart set was nice to get.
>>94695556Are you playing Bo1? If so, then they're scooping because most match ups are basically over the second you play Sheltered by Ghosts.
>>94695264You would have a point but for Foundations existing.
>>94696171Are you talking about hate cards or "remove this at instant speed or die on the spot" cards?
>Pioneer is the Rakdos forma-ACKKKKKK
>>94696254The bombs, it's pretty infuriating that someone wins from 1 life because they happened to get lucky and top deck an unbeatable bomb. >>94696204I'm talking about draft and not really about the players even though it does feel so cheap that you can win off of one simple card and because everything is so pushed it's not like it's a late game bomb either it might come down early. Also really don't like how favored going first and having llanowar elf is in the format. It's practically over if they happen to have it on first turn and you don't have a removal in hand.
>>94696288>Metagame summary>Rakdos 28%
>>94696298I mean, that's practically been a problem since Baneslayer Angel
>>94696317You meant to say:>Losers summary>28%
Historic as a format is looking healthier than ever. There have been a lot of mono black jet storm and other fast GY decks popping up with priest of gix but the format has DRS so creature toolbox eats these alive.Fetchlands really were a mistake. Deathrite shaman keeps degenerate combo at bay without being oppressively strong.
>>94696323Sometimes yeah, i think it's due to synergies kinda sucks in this set so the bombs matters more. I miss when they made good draft sets like Strixhaven and Kaldheim.
>shitorickill all arenafags
>>94696361I liked historic better when it was just rotated out sets like Ixalan and Ravnica. Them inserting whale bait and modern horizon sets kinda ruined it imo.
>>94696387It did dampen it but thankfully they promptly nerfed boros (unlike in memedern lmao)
>>94695568You are not alone.
>>94695198There are so many better combo decks today, Twin can only shine against decks that are naturally bad against the URx shell, but then you have to ask: do you even need the combo if the matchup is already favored?
Why do I never see Molten Gatekeeper in broodscale combo (pauper)? It's the same cost as nightblade to play from hand and the deck mills itself plenty beyond the fact that it has cheap recursion.
>>94694496These were the revealed alien. They look red and blue.
>>94696288
>>94696288>>94696803Out of nine (9) Rakdos Midrange decks in the tournament, three top 8'd and six top 16'd.Only three of the nine present RakMid decks failed to get in the top 16.
>>94696803>Look at all these Rakdos losers below 1st placeI agree they look stupid as hell lmao
>>94696810>six top 16This is the equivalent of going 3-2 in a League by the way, literally meaningless.
>>94696822Pioneer League 2024-12-271st - Rakdos MidrangePioneer Challenge 32 2024-12-271st - Rakdos AggroPioneer Challenge 32 2024-12-271st - Rakdos ProwessPioneer Challenge 32 2024-12-281st - Rakdos MidrangePioneer League 2024-12-291st - Rakdos Aggro
>>94696831Demonstrating consistent positive w/l ratio indicates power. That also doesn't include all Rakdos decks, just the Midrange ones.
>>94696803I hate 5c piles.If you play 5c piles fucking die.
>>94696882Hidden Strings is really just a UG deck with a 5c wishboard since its main lands tap for all colors.
>>94696803>>94696842Fable should die.
>>946968825c piles are unironically the most honest, fair decks nowadays
>>94696889Fable should've been banned alongside Karn
>>94696889Fable is the worst second card in Rakdos Midrange right now, only behind Bloodtithe.
Fable should've been banned alreadyAnnex needs to get banned now
I can't even fathom how much worse they've made Rakdos Mid.Even with Vampires, however fast it was, you at least had solutions to it. Edicts, uncounterable spells etc.But this shit? It's literally unsolvable.>Bro just play enchantment removal!Their enchantment drew them a card and left behind a 6/6 flier.>Remove the demon!They're still drawing cards every turn, backed up by Fable.>Just play bigger creatures!Slasher has Deathtouch, self-recurs and hits for 11 damage, it wins EVERY POSSIBLE COMBAT except against literally only Glissa and also you have to block it every time.>Just eat the Slasher hits and play for tempo!Not possible, as Bloodletter means Slasher INSTANTLY kills you if it connects.At least with older problem decks in the format like Amalia and Vamps, you had actual solutions that actually solved the problem. This shit is literally just a pile of festering vomit so repulsive you can't even touch it with a HAZMAT suit.WotC are the worst game designers ever in history.
Conclusion:Bring her back.
>>94696969I am honestly now fully in agreement that the Amalia ban was a mistake.I think Aetherflux should have gone to tone the deck down. Amalia was fine. Plenty of solutions to it, tons of counterplay and you even had chances to win after the combo goes off, which is an extremely healthy place for a combo deck to be in.
How does 2v2 or even 1v1v1v1 work in MtG? Is it even possible to make it work?
Amalia would be ok without WW. But then WW is the lynchpin of Explore, whatever non existent tier it is. So it's either one combo deck, or the whole archetype.
>>94697002>2v2Twin-Headed Giant has the teams share a life total.>1v1v1v1As shown by EDH, it doesn't.
>>94697022>Amalia would be ok without WW. But then WW is the lynchpin of Explore, whatever non existent tier it is. So it's either one combo deck, or the whole archetype.It's fine with WW too. The combo was literally fine. It didn't even win you the game half the time it went off.
>>94696944Literally just play Obliterator Fight Club and fight the 6/6 demon and watch them sacrifice everything. Throw in Glissa for enchantment removal and Tear Asunder
>>94696969>>94696977amalia was banned because half of the games she was in would end in a drawnobody wants to play against that shit in competitive play
>>94697036Then why was she banned, huh? Huh?
>>94697080>Literally just play Obliterator Fight Club and fight the 6/6 demon and watch them sacrifice everything. Throw in Glissa for enchantment removal and Tear Asunder>Fatal pushes youoh no sorry
>>94696944>paying 2 mana to edict a 3 mana 6/5 with ward (or else you die)cool and good>paying 2 mana to disenchant a 5 mana enchantmentAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>94697085>amalia was banned because half of the games she was in would end in a draw>nobody wants to play against that shit in competitive playI faced Amalia many times and a forced draw happened twice that I can recall. It was not common, and I never considered it a problem.Maybe WotC received a bunch of feedback from whiny fucking retards. But as a designer, your job is to ignore retarded feedback and do what is right for the game, not cowtow to crybabies while ceaselessly making your game worse.
>>94697090>doesn’t run VeilSkill issue
>>94697093>paying 2 mana to disenchant a 5 mana enchantmentOh no my enchantment's gone, oh nooooooo.I hit you for 12 damage in the air. G2?
>>94697100>suddenly find out both veils are banned in pioneerDisregard that, cocks are yummy
>>94697101>you can only cast disenchent AFTER they pay 5 mana, it's an illegal play do it before, the judge WILL desqualify youstop playing kitchen table
>>94697120anon, you can't disenchant a spell that's on the stack.
Don't worry bros.Aetherdrift soon and will shake things up.
>>94697097>It was not commonIt doesn't matter if it wasn't common in your specific deck matchup, the most played way of dealing with amalia was forcing a draw, the format never had so many draws while she was legal, in a RC or PTQ she was in, half of the matches she was in resulted in a draw or something like that
amalia was a fair combo, with fucking creatures on board jesus and now we have not only multiple removals but also multiple ways of stop lifegain.if you complain about amalia, not even the most disgusting combo or card you can play against nowadays you must have a problem or be really bad at this game.
>>94697130>It doesn't matter if it wasn't commonUh, yes it does.>the most played way of dealing with amalia was forcing a drawNo it wasn't?>in a RC or PTQ she was in, half of the matches she was in resulted in a draw or something like thatEven if it was half of games,A) If it was actually a problem, sideboard counterplay.B) It isn't a problem because draws further neither player's agenda or ranking.C) WotC could easily change the rules so the player who initiates a stagnated game state gets a game loss, rather than a draw. This would also future proof the game from other similar interactions.D) It was trivial to disrupt the forced draw, if you wanted to. Every time you allowed Amalia to force a draw it's usually because you were in a bad situation, too. It takes two players to tango, in this context.
>>94697127there's 2 scenarios here:>scenario 1annex is in play, that means your opponent payed 3 mana to get it in play, you can answer it now, before they get to draw a card or next turn, when they still only have 4 mana>scenario 2annex isn't in play, your opponent just played a 5 mana 6/6 with flying, in which case you don't disenchant it, you kill the 6/6 with a removal spell and continue to pressure your opponent since you're up in mana advantage
Just ban pushJust ban thoughtseize and print Inquisition of Kozilek into standard.Pioneer shouldn't have modern level removal in black
>>94697156>annex is in play, that means your opponent payed 3 mana to get it in play, you can answer it now, before they get to draw a card or next turn, when they still only have 4 manaThey drew a card off Annex. Congrats, you've already put yourself at -1 CA.>"Remove it on their turn before it triggers!"Tempo loss.>annex isn't in play, your opponent just played a 5 mana 6/6 with flying, in which case you don't disenchant itAnd leave them drawing an extra card every turn. Good idea, Captain Retard.>you kill the 6/6 with a removal spell and continue to pressure your opponent How, exactly? Pressure them through their infinitely recursive deathtouch blockers? Their unlimited chump block Kiki copy tokens?You seem to be under the illusion that you will have removal spells left after dealing with their other threats. OR that you simply can ignore all their other threats as if removing their one (1) 6/6 is somehow a miraculous "Tch, nothing personnel kiddo" checkmate and not you still having five bodies to deal with plus also Mutavaults.
How none of you fags complain about real problematic cards?
>>94697187>Tempo loss.and we all know this immediately loses you the game: answering a 3 mana card with a 2 mana removal spell is just too much tempo loss, no deck can handle it>And leave them drawing an extra card every turn. Good idea, Captain Retard.you still have to pay 3 mana to get the card draw, it's really funny how you think annex is a free spell while complaining that you have to pay mana to remove it>You seem to be under the illusion that you will have removal spells left after dealing with their other threats. OR that you simply can ignore all their other threats as if removing their one (1) 6/6 is somehow a miraculous "Tch, nothing personnel kiddo" checkmate and not you still having five bodies to deal with plus also Mutavaults.the absolute irony of saying all of this after saying removing a vein ripper wasn't a problem holy shit, you still had to deal with sorin and everything else the deck had, your mind has to be completely disconnected from reality to seriously beleive any of this crap youre spouting
>>94697228>the absolute irony of saying all of this after saying removing a vein ripper wasn't a problem holy shitI had zero problem tuning my decks to deal with Vamps. It was very simple, in fact, with relatively clean solutions that sacrificed only a small amount of maindeck power / a few SB slots.Please suggest solutions to BR Annex. "Just play Disenchant" solves nothing, I'm talking REAL solutions.
>>94697148>It isn't a problem because draws further neither player's agenda or ranking.tell that to the people who have to play game 6, 7, 8 etc>WotC could easily change the rulesor they could ban amalia, which is what they didyou could argue a bunch of things wotc "could easily do" but you'd be aruging forever
>>94697257>tell that to the people who have to play game 6, 7, 8 etcOkay. Magic is a difficult game. Deal with it, losers.>or they could ban amalia, which is what they did(the wrong decision, btw)
Fuck Amalia. Play Slivers.
The real thing about Rakdos is that it's got so many different threats and answers. It's attacking your hand and removing your stuff while dropping massive threats and ridiculous value engines. It's almost impossible to win the tempo game against them because almost every play they make is better than yours. Their cardboard is just plain better.
>>94697246>I had zero problem tuning my decks to deal with Vamps.no one cares what you did at your kitchen table to deal with anything, vamps was like 60% of the meta for almost 3 months>Please suggest solutions to BR Annex.I already did but you're too delusional to listen, it's not like they'd be of any use to you though, since you're playing kitchen table
>>94697289>I already didName the cards.The actual cards that actually solve the problem.The actual, NAMED, SPECIFIED adjustments you can make to solve BR Annex.
the kitchen table player is mad lol
>>94697309Name the cards, mate.
>>94697309Naw he's right. It should be easy for you to name the answers if they existed
Safe unbans at Pioneer:InverterWinotaAmaliaBallista
>>94697080That deck isn't even good enough for standard..
>>94697191The real issue is the 2 mana prowess with card advantage tacked on to it and hyperpushed pump spell making temur battle rage looking silly in monstrous rage. This mouse is fine. Has existed in many forms before at 1 mana.
>>94695220Nobody can release a new TCG by this point and enjoy the same popularity as Pokémon, Magic and Yugioh. They all rode a wind that just isn't here anymore to establish a fanbase; the age where card collecting was the big thing is gone and isn't coming back.
>>94697446>InverterWhy legalize cards that almost killed the format?
>>94697446If only they did unbans in other formats... Modern players get all the fun for some reason.
>>94697446>WinotaMost dishonest card in all Magic history>InverterCompletely retarded combo that bored people to death>AmaliaUnplayable in a competitive environment with a cancerous play pattern>BallistaFine.
>>94697446Comboniggers are the only thing worse than Fagdos players
>>94697446To a man who never saw that card in play, can you explain what's wrong with Winota easily? I'm just reading the card and i dont see the problem.
>>94697651Basically, you run some non-human mana dorks, run out Winota, and then swing in with the dorks, giving you a bunch of Winota triggers that will probably win you the game. Part of what made the deck so good was that Winota was always a looming threat, but even without her the deck was a very functional Naya midrange deck.It's sort of like how Rakdos has an instant kill combo with Bloodletter+Slasher, but even if you deal with those it's still a totally functional deck.
>>94697651At any point Winota is in play and you have a non-human creature that can attack, you could be cheating this guy from the top of your deck, if you have more than one attacker you could get 2 or even another Winota. It's such a gigantic board swing that letting Winota stay alive was essentially losing the game.
Why did this piece of shit have to have 3 toughness?The only reliable counterplay to it is First Strike, but for some reason First Strike is costed right around the same Indestructible and Protection From Everything.If it had 1 toughness you could at least have shit like Thalia deal with it. But no. The infinitely self-recurring one-shot machine just HAD to have enough toughness to beat out all on-curve first strikers. Because why the fuck not? Cards should have no counterplay. None. None at all. Speaking of which, why doesn't this have the Kaya ".. or put into exile...." clause? Come on, WotC. Do your job.FUCK THE RETARDS IN CHARGE OF WOTCONE GAMEA SINGLE GAME WITH THIS THING ON THE TABLE AND YOU KNOW IT IS UNACCEPTABLEA SINGLE PLAYTEST GAME AT ALL
>>94697002>2v2Two-headed giant is great, you play with 30 life per team, can look at your teammate cards, share phases and steps and attack/block as a team.There is also a draft rule where you draft two cards per pack as a team.>free for allPretty shit, games quickly ends up as kingsmaker or no one attacking because you risk 2+ counter-attacks. 5 players sort of works with pentacle (you have to beat the two players in front of you, and sort-of prevent people to your left or right from dying) but it's still goofy.
>>94697705
>>94697705>Speaking of which, why doesn't this have the Kaya ".. or put into exile...." clause? Come on, WotC. Do your job.You want it to shrug off exile removal, the one other reliable counterplay to it? Lol
>>94697705Honestly, it could've just had menace instead of the "lose half your life" shit and it would still be a pretty solid card. Would've been flavorful too.
>>94697732>Honestly, it could've just had menace instead of the "lose half your life" shit and it would still be a pretty solid card. Would've been flavorful too.It would be completely fucking worthless, anon.
>>94697738Maybe might've needed to bump it up to a 3/3, but a recurring deathtouch menace isn't bad, especially after they updated the damage assignment rules.
>>94697446My niggerUnban WinotaBAN PUSHBAN THOUGHTSEIZEBAN FABLE
>>94696944Turns out if the deck playsbest removalbest disruptionbest card advantage enginesIt doesn't matter if they can't summon a game ending unkillable creature turn 3 anymore, they'll still win a bit later.
>>94697446I wonder how Winota would play with all the new non humans from the recent sets
>>94695199>4 mana big chungus search for 2 cardsOf course it's playable.Hopefully the other ones are rehash of old iconic effects too (this one is ranger of eos) and not just blue=draw, red=bolt, etc.
>>94697268Play a meta with Top unbanned and come back to me.
>>94695199I'd like it to be good so I could play Selesnya in standard just to shake up the mundanity of it.When was the last time Selesnya has been playable?
>>94697705It doesn't matter how many times I look at the art, he will always look like a derpy unicycle man
>>94697705Black has to be the best color at all times
>>94697940You arent playing Selesnya Midrange anon? Because is a fucking good deck.
>>94697914I don't think there's much you can change, you need ramp (elves, inkeeper), chariot still gives you the most bodies for 4 mana, you're definitely still running fable and the human-werewolfs, what is there left? not running voice of resurgance?
>>94697998Black has everything.
They should release lands with all those damn types already. Desert Mountains. Desert Islands (oasis). Cave Mountains. Plains Gates. Snow-Covered Desert Mountains. Snow-Covered Cave Forests. Snow-Covered Cave Desert Gates. Changeling Lands that are all types. Simple as.
>>94698123>Plains Gatesthis one exists but only on arena
>>94698081Even enchantment removal now!
>>94698006I hate shit like collector's cage and no I don't see it played at any stores I go to
>>94697738In an ideal world all cards would be fucking worthless on their own and only be worth something via good deckbuilding allowing it to synergize with the rest of the worthless shit and playing well.
>>94698236>In an ideal world all cards would be fucking worthless on their own and only be worth something via good deckbuilding allowing it to synergize with the rest of the worthless shit and playing well.This sounds like an horrendously grindy game based entirely on combo fests and I'm happy you aren't in charge of any TCG that people actually play, nevermind Magic.
Does anyone actually fall for these pyramid schemes? The people artifically boosting the engagement aren't even attempting to look like normal users.>>94698123Making certain cards fetchable is sure to break something. Mystic Sanctuary is banned in 2 formats for example.
>>94698268The absolute state of modern magic where proper use of combat tricks has fallen into disrepair to the point that people can only think in terms of raw outvaluing or combo.
>>94698372>combat tricksYou have draft
>>94697269Nice commander you got there anon...sure would be a shame if it got turned into a tree
>>94698341I forgot that got banned in modern, I thought it just fell out of favor
why people hate combo so much?
>queue with initiative>mirror match but lose die rolleveryone who plays this game should be in a death camp
>>94698505Combo presents a hard deckbuilding imposition on every deck it shares a format with, the same shift just just banned Jegantha over. While also often playing out in a linear manner with key "save or die" moments meaning that most matchups turn into a matter of side boarding in the silver bullet and hoping you draw into them. Which is nothing to say about the clunky combos that take forever (the infamous F6 moment against Eggs)For contrast as an example of a good and well liked combo deck you can look at Twin during its heyday. The combo took till turn 4 if they had the right cards providing time for varying strategies of counterplay to be set up, while Twin actually played a interactive game plan in turn to protect its combo thus providing a solid back and forth that actually let players play the game.
How has Fable not been banned for THIS LONG.
>>94699087Isn't it obvious? They don't care about Pioneer. We should be seeing Pioneer Horizons in the next few years, then they might start paying some attention to it.
>>94699098>Pioneer HorizonsNo... Please no...UB is fucking enough dont destroy my favourite format anymore...I rather see a new format.
>>94699098even pauper is shit. you can't even play counterspell without feeling like a fucking retard because every spell creates two eldrazi spawn or has cascade or recurs a two-card combo
>>94699113>I rather see a new format.I mean, that's gonna happen too, eventually, but I can assure you UB sets are going to be legal in that format since they are becoming part of Standard.
>>94699113>No... Please no...IT'S HAPPENING MY GUY
Fuck no. UB is the new Horizons for other formats.
When is the best time to sell cards that will rotate out?I have them in my deck at the moment.I got some sheoldreds and the Asian gay fairy
>>94699204>When is the best time to sell cards that will rotate out?Before they rotate out.
>>94699204right before rotation, so around september next year I think
I am fairly new to game, when do we get full spoiler for innistrad remastered and aetherdrift?
>>94699275Innistrad Remastered releases in 4 weeks-ish, so I think 2 weeks from nowAetherdrift only comes out in mid February, so I think by late January we should know almost every card
Spoiler season starts next week?
>>94699332Yeah, if not, the week after
I'm hoping Aetherdrift has an OP vehicle for greasefang and beyond that I'm in the Lorwyn waiting room
>>94699291Really hope they don't butcher the retro frames with different art.
>>94699368If they dont make a good vehicle in this set is Joever.But lets be serious vehicles, just as equipments and some artifacts are difficult to make competitive. They have to be extremely good to be even playable.
>>94699470Oh certainly, and also like equipment making them viable in limited is also extremely hard. Making one that's not a disaster in one or both is all but impossible.
thots?
FLASH!
>>94699619cool standard cardtoo expensive to play anywhere else though
>>94699204Before the last big tournament before rotation. They'll drop as soon as that happens.
>>94699573seems like the only vehicle thats seen somewhat regularly is the schooner.
>checks the recent mtgtop8 modern decklists
>>94699619Is that?!?!?!?!?.... .it....!?!??!It can't be!!!!!!Does that creature have Flash AND Flying!?!??!?!That's impossible!!!!!!!!!!
Friendly reminder this used to be the best creature.What happened to this game?
>>94700035It still is really fucking good.
>>94694455I have to smallest sliver of hope that Edge of Eternities will be a set with cool worldbuilding instead of established characters in raypunk cosplay.At the very least give me cool totally-not-Sardaukar cards to play with.
>>94700004sometimes I wonder if he's still out thereflashing and flying
>>94700035Do you not play pauper?
starting to think anoint with affliction is way better than fatal push in pooneer
>>94700067shhh dont give out our secret tech
>>94700035Oh cry me a river, Delver is still winning Legacy Challenges. Meanwhile Goyf is lucky if it can get a top16 in Modern.
>>94700035black lotus unstoppable slasher is a legit thing that happens in vintage. the entire game is completely fucked up retarded
>>94699619I like the card design (feels like one of those times where it's fair for blue to have an above-curve body) and I like that he doesn't have a cowboy hat.
>>94700078>0.12 tixWhat does this mean?
>>94700043>I have to smallest sliver of hope that Edge of EternitiesAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWHAT AN IDIOT
dumb frogposter
>>94700043Sorry AnonSee >>94694886
>>94700177>What does this mean?MTGO currency, 1 tix is roughly $0.85
>>94694886>He started .... in 2022Reminder that EVERYONE WORKING IN WOTC'S DESIGN TEAM EXCEPT FOR MARO JOINED POST 2019.
>>94695058Hoyoverse would make a favour to WotC/Hasbro instead and Hoyoverse gets nothing at all in return.It would be cool tho.
>>94700219Well at least my dreams were crushed early.
>>94700039>>94700078It's worse than DRC and is only played because it's the best damage dealing blue 1 drop. If there were a card similar to DRC - that is, an evasive blue one drop with efficient stats that deals damage and has a relevant effect - Delver would be dropped immediately. The only thing holding Tamiyo back from taking this slot is that she doesn't deal damage. I'm also fairly sure that Grixis Frog decks, prior to Frog being banned, cut Delver.
Does it piss off WotC that Bloomburrow was their most successful set in years?>Only animals so no blacks, asians, etc>Girls that don't know a thing about MtG like it because small animals
>>94700380bloomburrow remastered will take place in Jamuraa
>>94700338Color is a characteristic, being blue is an advantage that DRC doesn't have. But yea I think most lists are still running more DRC than delver. Back in the day Delver was so powerful that it sort of forced this archetype to exist, people experimented with different friends for delver, people ran gutshot just to kill enemy delvers. Now there's a ton of support for this kind of deck and Delver is still there just because it's convenient.
>>94700424Isn't Delver just a evolution of the archetypical "one blue creature for a wincon" hard control decks of the past, just evolved into a tempo deck thanks to the natural speeding up of the game?
>>94700338>If there were a strictly better Delver Delver would be dropped immediately
>>94700044this what covid did to mfs
>>94700380>>94700406Sorry chuds, the mice are now meerkats.Sorry chuds, the otters are now fur seals. Sorry chuds, the rats are now white people.
>>94700380>Does it piss off WotC that Bloomburrow was their most successful set in years?It's even better that BLB didn't break anything and all its top-power cards were just pretty great.Comfy. Balanced. No humans to shoehorn diversity into.BLB is a total affront to FIRE design.
>>94700439I don't think so, monoblue control decks used to run literally one Frost Titan, those decks evolved into caw-go decks and then cawblade decks (continuing to go for long-term value while minimizing risk).Delver has more in common with, like, bird decks. The idea is to mess your enemy up just enough that you'll have time to fly over for lethal damage, it's different from a proper blue control deck, even if delver encourages people to run a lot of the same cards that a control deck would.
>>94700563I love bloomburrow but I think you might have forgot about the fire mouse fucking standard.
>>94700578>I love bloomburrow but I think you might have forgot about the fire mouse fucking standard.Every set can get away with a few fuckups. If the mouse is the worst thing a set has to offer, then pretty decent in the grand scheme of every other set fucking literally every format all at once.That said, I would prefer the mouse not have been printed. Very close to a perfect set.
>>94700338>Delver isn't the best because if there was a better card people would play it???
>>94700439Delver is the evolution of the Xerox deck.https://birdsofparadise-mtg.blogspot.com/2011/10/turbo-xerox-rule.html
Anyone know an /mtg/ alternative that's actually fun and not just a bunch of combos that would put Yugioh to shame like the most recent mtg sets?
>>94700563>BLB didn't break anything>didn't break anythingThere are numerous examples of BLB breaking the game such as innkeeper's talent and hearthfire hero (one of the broken creatures with abilities way too strong given its mana cost and how easy they're to pull off and punishes a player for counter-play).BLB helped solidify the standard format as an aggro/aggro combo game.
>>94700712>BLB helped solidify the standard format as an aggro/aggro combo game.Yeah but, to retort,Standard was a fucking trashfire before BLB and you can't do damage to something that's already broken beyond repair.
>>94700721>you can't do damage to something that's already broken beyond repair.I can't think of any situation where this is true. Bad things can always be worse and the firemouse made things worse. .
>>94700712Innkeeper's talent is a non-issue, it's a 12/13 mana combo that's completely unplayable unless golgari pile of cards is good in the meta, but that's golgari pile of cards being good, not the combo.
Edges of Eternity will be the last in universe magic set. Planes will cease to exist. We will not return to Lorwyn
>>94700649>>94700442Yes, what I'm pointing out is that Delver is only good, relative to the power level of the game today, because there is no better option. It's the weakest link in terms of creatures and is or will be the first to go when something slightly better gets printed.
>>94700859company should have went bankrupt after aragorn and the willy wonka ring
>>94700338*stops you*
>>94700439tempo=/=control
>>94700035>What happened to this game?We went....beyond the universe
>>94700572>>94700660>>94700994Got it, my understanding was that they way you played delver was to play delver turn 1, and then protect it as your opponent is then on a 7 turn clock which can be lowered by buffing it in various ways.It reminded me of the way old control was described as playing except that you got the threat out at the start for steady damage instead of playing something huge late game.I always envisioned Tempo originating from Merfolk style decks.
>>94701000Orcish Bowmasters?Don't you mean...THREE dead Ragavans????
>>94696908>what if we made phyrexian arena, but you gain life instead?wizards of the coast IQ
>>94701000The shit art.The mono-black creature with Flash (blue), pings (red) and token spam (white)The FIRE-era arbitrary conditional trigger.What a masterclass in shit design.
>>94701136>what if we made phyrexian arena, but you gain life instead?It's funny because that's not even how bad it is.>What if we made phyrexian arena, but you gain life instead?>What if we made Phyrexian Arena, except your opponent loses the life instead?>What if we made Phyrexian Arena, except it also tutors you a 6/6.>What if we did ALL OF THAT AT ONCE.
Oh how happy I was when they reprinted Arena into Pioneer.But it was powercrept so fast..
>>94700380Don't worry they'll make the Nonbinary characters the protagonist of the next Bloomburrow set.
>>94701000I wonder if they didn't ban it because they are going to reprint it in Return to Tarkir.Amass will be Mardu's mechanic.
>>94701226Thick-necked retard can be as gay as they want and I'll still love them.
>>94701226Go back, tourist. That's how they handle non-planeswalker legendaries. Even ones that directly state gender in the flavor text.
>>94701000Lord of the Rings was a mistake
>>94701137The any target ping is what really pushes it over the edge. How is it not "that player".Anti draw (anti blue) should be green, which is acceptable for flash and tokens as well. I'm not sure if being green would make it any better or worse.Modern color pie mechanics aside it's old black in flavor at least (Chains of Mephistopheles).
>>94700259Yes, the march of time waits for no one.
>>94697191>>94697486Both of you are wrong btw.
>>94698454If you play Hivelord as a commander, you're genuinely retarded.
>>94693590
Amalia is too strong though :(((
>>94700380>Delete white men>Still sell fortunes I don't think they give a single fuck
>>94701777> Still sell fortunes.Anon, Hasbro and WoTC for years now are bleeding money and are involved in multiple legal issues that may or may not end with them losing even more.They need more shit like Bloomburrow asap and need to start actually giving a crap about design, production and service quality.Wheat peepoo straw man does not work when literally EVERYTHING is burning.
>>94700380UB Hollow Knight: Silksong when?
>>94702200>UB Bloodborne when?>UB Silent Hill when?>UB God of War when?>UB Game of Thrones when?>But we are trapped with Marvel, Spongebob and FFThis is the worst time line indeed.
>>94701960WOTC does make money despite trying to piss of the customers as much as possible yet Hasbro still forces them to layoff people despite being the only profitable part.Shit on WOTC and Hasbro but get your facts straight
>>94702219Final Fantasy will fit in quite well considering it doesn't have anything that wouldn't fit in Kamigawa or Kalidesh
>>94702219imgine UB harry potter, or Elder scrolls or Witcher at least they are fantasy and can convert over believably and the aesthetics/theme jumps wont be so jarring. >>94702227I suspect that FF will be a Neon Dynasty redux which could be a lot worse.
For your consideration, silversmote anons.
>>94700035They fixed it. Blue should not have the best 1-mana beater.>but it's only good if you play the best generically playable cards in the game! Fuck off. Ragavan was everything you said you wanted in a non-blue creature and look how that turned out. You fuckers deserve UB.>>94701035You very much can play it like that. The best decks are able to adjust their gameplans quickly and painlessly. >>94701413Honestly I don't think it would be playable if it only hit players.
Fun fact: there are 8 cards currently banned in Legacy but legal in Modern, every single one of them was printed after 2018.
>>94702219I want UB Everdell.
>>94702382>I suspect that FF will be a Neon Dynasty redux which could be a lot worseI think FF is gonna be closer to Dominaria, I'm playing the games in chronological order and so far there's A LOT of characters they can make into legendary creatures.
>>94702661DHA being on the ban list is insane. The absolute state of eternal magic. >2 mana>dies to bolt>dies to graveyard hate>does nothing on ETB
>>94702667A 2 mana card worth 2 points.This doesn't seem broken in standard.
Whats this general opinion on the Horizons PW?
>>94702698flavor is SEXOOO
>order my first physical cards>actually just speculated on the bans by ordering GSZs, Faithless lootings, hollow ones and a moxAnyway, bunch of cards arrived today and every single envelope also had bunch of uncommons/rares or foil lands bundled in. Is this normal? I guess it makes sense to ship draftshaft for good reviewsShould I purchase a loop to check the authenticity of these cards? They were like max 10 bucks when I bought them
>>94700988I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>94702999Fairies should be on the same level as spirits.
>>94701226by the time wotc gets back to bloomburrow either depicting gay retards will be extremely unpopular or the ip will be owned by someone else. I fully expect wotc to quietly walk back black listing Terese Nielsen and all the other chud artists
>>94697309blvd... i hate to break it to yov bvt... nobody in this thread actvally plays magic the gathering lol. i know the state of the game is pretty vltra powerfvl bvt the motherfvckers yov are talking to seem to be trolling or dont vnderstand the game. think abovt it... what is the gvy crying abovt exactly? blvd is basically complaining abovt having to interact with the opponent more than once... like really nigga? lol why even play this game? no joke the whole thing is about interacting with the opponent practically every tvrn for the whole game. why not choose a different game if you just want to play cards and ignore the opposition? ya know what i mean?
>>94702661vintage right now is whoever wins the die roll trying to win on turn one, each player forcing until their hands are empty, then whoever has lurrus wins
>>94703763You missed a "u"
>>94703770>right nowmaat, vintage was like this way before you started playing
>>94703763trvth nvke
>>94703763whats wrong with faggots in this general?
>Want a deck themed around sea monsters>Not enough cards this year that came out for a mono blue sea monster deckWhat gives?
>>94703993care to type a comment that actually ISNT a load of shit for once in yovre life? if i wanted to read faggot shit like your post i would go visit twitter or reddit or some other normie thing... how abovt maybe you could actually explain what the fvck it is yov are talking abovt. and explain what exactly yov find wrong with whatever post it is yov have a problem with. can yov (xhe/xhem) actvally express any amovnt of real thought or emotion?
>>94703763>arena refugeeGo back to vg
>>94697705This anon probably cries about heartfire hero too lmao. You're another dogshit retard that doesn't know how to do anything besides spam whatever netdeck combo you're playing. Learn how to play.
>>94704178>Learn how to play.more like learn how to design cards, you dumb fuck. slasher and hero make 99% of every single card ever printed into toilet paper. wizards is rugpulling your entire collection you fucking soulless retard
sorry bvt i have no idea what an arena is and yovre comment seems to not have anything to do with anything i or anyone else said >>94704162i think yov are not a real person so i do not and will not respect yov. all i am saying is that the posts in this thread lead me to believe that nobody here actvally plays magic or vnderstands how the game works.
>what if Swiftspear spawned a Planeswalker on ETBI hate play design
>>94704199>wizards is rugpulling your entire collectionOh, you're just an investor that's scared to use actual money. Carry on.
>>94704199This is a card game. There's no rugpull, I'm not going to fucking sell my cards I buy cards to PLAY THEM retard.>waaaaa card value fell by whateverthefuck%!!!!good! I can buy cards for cheaper now!
>>94704200You couldn't make it more obvious that you know exactly what arena is. Smartest underage.
>>94704206what you are saying makes no sense... try and calm the fvck down lololol! yov dont need to make shit vp and rage bait for vpvotes.
>>94704234i dont get why blvd is trolling me with this arena thing... bro it is not real it is all in yovre head... this arena thing is NOT REAL please vnderstand. something i know to be one hvndred percent trve is that yov are jvst words on a screen to me and not a real person... sooooo any quvirky ass insvlt yov wovld like to send in MY direction, made vp or not, has no impact at all. i wovld just like yov to know that.
>>94704217>>94704227>people who play magic don't own cardsthey rotated every format, go buy the horizons box paypigs. sooooey
>>94704262>you're not real and have no impact>says obviously impacted anonkwab
>>94704274kwab stands for 'kill all minorities' i think so im not sure why yov are saying it
>>94704271>playing with friends>rotation???
>>94704271imagine outing yourself as a shitter. >but muh heartfire hero-cut down. disfigure. stab. torch the tower. any burn spell ever. dead and gone.>but it dealt me 1 damage!!!deal with it then>but muh slasher-exile removal. there. gone. no resurrection and you're ahead on tempo.
so after some thovght i have decided that none of the posts in this thread were typed ovt by a real person. and all the twitter vsers in this thread -which is everyone but me- have never actvally played a game of magic the gathering in their lives. its either that or everyone here svcks so bad at the game that they come off as having never played it.
>>94702221Hasbro and WotC are the same thing. Hasbro owns and has total control over every aspect of Wizards and its operations. Your sentence can be rewritten as:>Hasbro does make money yet Hasbro still lays off people curious for sure anon
what the hell...now we have an schizo here or this "v" retardation is some kind of new year joke?
>>94704417Video gamers think it's the cool new thing so our resident arena baby is spamming it.
>>94704290why is there any other kind of deck if burn can reliably get t3 kills
>>94704442No one cares about what burn can reliably do against bad players like yourself.
>>94704442The other player has to be unconscious for burn or slasher combo to get a t3-4 kill.
>>94704442There's only been two decks in Standard for a year: RDW and removal tribal.
>>94704526based, honestly. is it even a deck if there are less then 20 removal cards on it
>>94704435mind destroyed by this imaginary 'arena' villian lolol! all in yovre head by the way
>>94704575Imagine seething this hard over being called out. Except you don't have to.
lol what the actual fvck is vp with this thread lololol! actval trash no fvcking joke! these mtg general threads are actvally some of the worst ive seen on this normie ass twitter 2.0 website... lmao at the state of this fovr chan dot organization website. roll on the floor lavghing at the pathetic state of discovrse! this site has tvrned into jvst another mainstream media wasteland for normies to play pretend on LMAO!
>>94704602so the joke here is that yov are actvally the one seething over something that is not even real... HAHAHAH!
>>94702823Depends on the seller. Chaff cards is a cheap way to protect the main cards and increase the chance of a happy customer. I've seen it, but it isn't super common.I wouldn't bother with a loupe for cards in that price range unless you have other reasons to suspect fraud.
the only thing that depends on the seller is arena. i think magic the gathering arena is responsible for it. i wouldnt bother with arena for cards in that preice ange. unless you suspect aena magic the gathering arerna
>>94704604>simultaneously pretending he's a new and oldfagWeird
>>94702823I had a seller send me 8 foil murder, not sure if he hated me or he has an overflow of murders.
>>94704835lol no such thing as a 'newfag' or 'oldfag' lolol! this website is ANONYMOUS... do you know what that means? it means that nobody gives a fuck how long anyone has been here because nobody knows or cares who anyone is retard... lol at how fucking retarded you are no joke you are a dumbass. now this is an actual laugh out loud inducing moment. why would i try and look like an 'oldfag' lol? by the way i know what you are doing. dont think i dont know.
Collective Defiance has incorrect errata.It should only be able to hit Planeswalkers your opponents control, not your own.
>Mutvaults trigger the Annex drain
I love Demons as a tribe and i like to play with Demons.
>>94705280>I love Demons as a tribe and i like to play with Demons.
>3 mana?>11 power?>A 3 mana 11/3?>In black?>PRINT IT.
>>94696171What's the real problem, Stony Silence or the Affinity cards that can't be beaten without it?
>>94705632which card?
Please validate my shitbrew
>>94705632Just swords to plowshares it.
>>94705632how about a 1 mana 12/12?
>>94706059You know an EDH deck can only have one copy of each card, right?
>>94706476>>94706476>>94706476
>>94706462If it was an EDH deck I would have Vault-Key in it
>>94700035Is this a joke? It never was. It was too weak and had too many requirements to make it even playable.
